/acg/ - Armored Core General: Fuck the Union Edition

DOA

You're only young but you're gonna die

>>160701375
What do you think would be a good logo for a NEXT called Silvercloud?

>>160704050
A gray background with fog around trees.

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>>160704050
How about clouds?

>>160704050
A Rolls Royce Silver Cloud.

Maybe some curvy abstract line that could both look like the car AND a cloud

>>160717589
I fucking wish we could get an Armored Core set in Ravnica.

>>160726618
I like that. Thanks.

I'm playing 4A on ps3 and I feel like all my weapons are useless. What problem is there that back mounted chainguns can't solve?

>>160755558
Multiple NEXTs.
Not so much that the chainguns can't solve them, but rather you're not going to race them hard enough and ammo will be a concern.
I can't remember if the Vega is in the shop or an unlock, but it should be right up your alley when you get it.

>>160757385
What's a decent all-rounder build? I've found that fighting the earlier/smaller AF's with guns is stupid, because you can skate around with laser blades, but should I keep a blade on for utility? Is there a back mounted blade?

>>160755558
Your question should be: What problem do chainguns solve that can't be solved better by liberal application of two Rayleonard machineguns?

>>160757573
>I've found that fighting the earlier/smaller AF's with guns is stupid

Die, will ya? I swear, bladeshitters...

>>160757603
Is that the hit man?

>>160757981
What's wrong with applying 10000 damage to an AF and killing it in 3 swings? If you boost in fast enough, you take negligible damage.

>>160758262
There is nothing wrong with that. It's by far the quickest way. Blades in FA are hated in online though, since the netcode combined with the fact that they home on people makes bladers teleport everywhere. Arguably they also make AF fights trivial. You will hate yourself in at least 2 AF missions if all you have are blades though.

And there is two Rayleonard machine guns, HITMAN and MOTORCOBRA. Both work. If you can keep them on something it will die in very short order and a NEXT will get shredded as soon as the PA is gone. Also they have tons of ammo.

>>160755558
Welcome to the game. Grenades and machine guns make everything else useless because FA's balance is trash.

>>160761451
I heard npcs yelling about tearing down primal armor, but there's no shields right? I just take straight damage to my AP.

>>160757573
The series usual.
Rifle/machine gun, blade, missile, cannon.
Make one of either the rifle/machine gun or the cannon solid and the other energy.
>>160757981
He's not wrong, though.
Rockets still a best at AFs.
>>160762313
The PA is your shield. It's absorbing some of the damage you would otherwise take. In the case of solid rounds, it soaks up a lot of their damage.

>>160763487
>rifle/machine gun, blade, missile, cannon
Let's see:
BECRUX
DRAGONSLAYER
BIGSIOUX
The big BFF sniper cannon

Literally perfect

>>160692303
>Fuck the Union Edition

What?

>>160764646
>DRAGONSLAYER

ELTANIN

>>160763487

>Rifle/machine gun, blade, missile, cannon.

It's like you could read my mind. I love this build.

What are some good naming conventions for NEXTs?

>>160762313
>>160763487
PA is like regenerating armor.

PA rectification: AP (regenerates)
PA durability: Defense

If your PA durability is high enough, you won't take any damage from some hits (or like, 1 damage). If your PA rectification is high, you can take a lot of hits before your PA drops.

No PA means you don't get the damage reduction, so you take roughly 2x damage.

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>>160780858
I usually keep to this theme, songs/band names for bipeds and dinosaur/animal names for RJs and quads. Lately I've been naming them after the 72 dukes of hell since IBO has been airing.

>>160780858
[color] [adjective] [noun] [proper noun]

Types of nouns to use:
>Plants, Animals, Space, Nature related
>Weapons/Tools
>Characters from classic books/movies/plays
>Characters from mythology
>Famous people from history

Pick 2 (or just proper noun) but keep the order.
>Blue Magnolia
>White Glint

Bonus points if:
>Proper noun is an obscure reference to an obscure artist or character
>Operator's name matches the reference
>Next color matches the color
>Next weapons matches the proper noun

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>>160761527

>>160761451
>teleport everywhere
You can read it though, there's angle warping, drift turning, and groundlocking. Almost all warping is a combination of those things. Granted it's easier to do in 4A than in 4, but warping is a skill just like second staging.

>>160780858
>Think of an edgelord name like 'Darkness'
>Google translate synonyms of 'Darkness' in Latin
>'Lack of Light' translates to 'Non in Lucem'
>Name my NEXT 'Nonin Lucem'
>Profit

Just think of a word you like and find a dead language to translate it into.

>>160794557
He said GOOD naming conventions.

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>>160780858

I once named an AC after another ship from a completely different franchise. I called it "Flutter Flare". Had a matching paint job and emblem.

>>160780858
I'm designing three NEXTs for myself.

sticky not on desktop reads:

Design a CQC frame "Lucille"
LATONA / AALIYAH / EKHAZAR?

Design a Lancel frame "Lucie"
SUNSHINE / HOGIRE / LANCEL?

Design a Quad Frame "Lulu"

---

Variations of a name.

>>160800497
I'm about 95% certain that Legends isn't what you were going for with that.
Also, you should consider Googling that name.
>>160800995
>Latona
>Sunshine
Maybe you should call them Luser

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Friendly reminder that no "laser" weapon in Armored Core was ever a laser

It's all been a magnetically contained plasma field shaped around a bolt.

FA shows this with the Canopus, sharing the plasma shot effect for the most part.

and why would lasers have ammo if they weren't limited for gas or bolts? generators are infinite it seems.

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Only exception may be laser blades or the continuous beams featured by some bosses.

But then you have the issue of being able to see the beam without anything reflecting the light.

>>160801553

Oh, but I was going for that.

>google that

Not after Blue Waffle.

>>160816426
I got a bunch of pictures of dresses.

>>160765645
There's a running theory here that BFF is originally an English company.

>>160810440
Core AMS could be considered true lasers (instant firing beams), but they do no damage, so it's more likely they mess with missile guidance or heat.

Laser Blades seem more like waves of plasma than true lasers.

>>160820170
I suppose that could be possible if you assume that the british remained control over south america/antarctica in the AC timeline.

>>160847571
Boosted through the desert on an AC with no name...

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Just the best AC pilot passing through.

>>160856298

>Mr. Coward is a superhero fan

Im not even surprised at the irony.

>>160858006
Dan Moro literally did nothing wrong.

>>160863547

He didn't do anything at all.

I'm back, after getting myself banned.

>>160727196
This is my idea on how each guild would build their forces

>Golgari
Army of Junks UNACs

>Selesnya
Army of Normal UNACs

>Boros
Various squads of Standard ACs

>Simic
A bunch of ackwards builds and experimental metas

>Gruul
the blader/piles club

>Izzet
A lot of missiles and laser weapons

>Orzhov
Heavys ACs with shields and rifles

>Rakdos
Lightweights with grenade cannons, bazookas and rockets, with the idea of using them as close as possible, splash damage be damned

>Dimir
ECM, flash rockets and blades

>Azorious
From middle to heavyweights, with weapons that either stagger, create a lot of heat and ECM

>gateless
Player character.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYWo84D2-L0

When are we going to get karaoke night at the Raven's Nest?

>>160897580
>/acg/ sings thinker

c'mon guys, you want it.

DESTROY
NINEBALL

>>160895342
>Selesnya
No, they're all dual wielding turret launchers with the FCS that allows for four of them.
>Orzhov
Three heavy kickers and one bait.
>Gateless
MTs.
>>160898004
I'm still down for Got Digiorno if anybody can dredge up those lyrics.
>>160816426
Don't be a pussy, Pendragon. Blue Waffle isn't that bad anyway.

>>160895342
>Gruul
>blade and pile club

Hell yeah!

>>160898004
We don't even need an instrumental, we can just use Agitator.

>>160727196

>Ravnica

Refresh my memory, what's that again?

>>160911284

Some M:tG crap.

>>160885659
That's not true, he got shredded by my chainguns.

>>160904867
>Selesnya

Forgot about those turret launchers, nice one.

>MTs

But what about a game like LR, where this time you can choose withing 10 factions and you start gateless, or just go and destroy everthing.

>>160906832
I think Agitator have some lyrics in the middle.

>>160692303
>Evergreen and you're going to like it

At least use the second version.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssx-aIVp41s

>>160911284
>Some M:tG crap.
That's the short version.
The slightly less short version is that it's a world that is entirely city. Ten guilds "work together" to make daily life possible.
>>160906832
Agitator has too many differences from Thinker.

>>160931823
>Ten guilds "work together" to make daily life possible

with a magical, living arbiter to keep them under control now.

AGITATE BUMP OUT FEEL IT IN THE WILL

CAN YOU TALK ABOUT PAGE 10 WITH ME

>>160947326
I always imagined her as a redhead.

memes

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>>160944931

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Any Xbox anons having VD server troubles? The server is down for me.

>>160965238
Second worst corp, right after Rayleonard.

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>>160968586
>Rayleonard
>Worst corp
Apologize

>>160968586
>>160972619
Rayleonard is AC Jesus. They died for our sins.

>working on lab report
>playing around in Excel
>looking at formulas
>hey wait a second
>all of the formulas of a specific flavor are missing two crucial conversion factors
>everything is wrong
What an exciting Thanksgiving break.
>>160933346
>with a magical, living arbiter that is literally never around to keep them under control now.
Don't remind me.
>>160968586
Ur a faget.
>>160974536
Ur slightly less of a faget.
>>160967228
First the PS3 servers, now the 360. The end times are upon us.
Cheng is removing the seals from the scrolls that will ban literally everybody from the servers.

>>160977494
>r that is literally never around
Is the funniest part, he is too busy with his necromancer no-girlfriend

>Cheng
Didnt he start a AC channel on twitch recently?

>>160967228
Just confirmed it, it's down.

>>160933346

That sounds like an astoundingly stupid plot twist.

>>160983361
It is. In fact, it's worse than it sounds. Much worse.
I even wrote up a description to show a facet of how bad it was in pastebin, but then I hit New Paste because for some reason I thought that would create the paste and I lost all of it.
I'm not retyping it.
Basically, all you need to know is that Magic's story is hot garbage with the exception of, like, three books. One of which isn't canon because it was too dope.

>>160986827
I prefered it when the lore wanst soo focused on planeswalkers instead to focus was more on the shit going on individual planes. Special when Jace became the living guildpact, how the hell is going to stop guilds killing each other if he is never in the plane for whatever reason.

But I enjoy Theros and the original zendikar books though.

>>161007994
From all the CG intros, White Glint getting ready to launch is by far the most popular.

>>161008896
I mean, it is pretty cool.

>>161008896

And it really shouldn't be, since he completely flubs the mission anyway.

>get shot once
>fall to the ground
>assault armor for no reason, hitting absolutely nothing
>main menu

So this.... is the power..... of Anatolia's merc...

>>161033886

Absolutely ebin. I love biscuits.

>>161033886
Garrison Keillor sounds like a pretty Armored Core-tier name, now that I think about it.

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>>161038361
>Garrison Keillor

>>161038753
What? He's not dead.

>>161039710
No, but the show is handled by some new guy now.
It's not the same.
New guy's not bad, though.

>>161027330
It doesnt change the fact that is cool as fuck.

nump

>>161040749

Granted.

This is the New Sunshine, just like the Old Sunshine.

#Spesscombatfor6

Amazing how slow /vg/ is right now. Wish it were always like this.
>>161076408
>recoil pushes your AC
>the meta becomes rapid fire laser weapons with zookers used as quickboost

>>160980187
What's the error message say?

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>>161100607
>The ACVD server is not avaible. Please try again later.
>Possible reasons include
>The server is down for maintnence
>The server is down

The rest is just technical shit and legal jargon.

>>161095171
>back weapons makes you spin in the void.

>>161107472
Thank you m8

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bump

>>161115307
Love this picture.

>>161119260
I found it today, I had to share it.

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Xbox is still down, is PS3 still working?

>>161095171

Yeah. Nothing new is out right now, At least enough to warrant discussion.

,

Let's play a game. We make our own AC pilots that would be in the arena. I'll start:

>Pilot: Jimmy Rodriguez
>AC: Number 1
>A pilot obsessed with the number 1, and so has worked to attain his rank of number 11. He only uses phallic, one-shaped weapons like rockets and barrel shaped cannons

>>161132769
>A pilot obsessed with the number 1, and so has worked to attain his rank of number 11
That's already a thing though.

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>>161132769

>>161133229
>>161135618

OH COME ON. You have to be kidding me.

>>161138803
Never underestimate FROM abilitie with creating weird pilots

>>161120979
Ps3 is completely fine.
Has anyone contacted Bamco yet?

>>161149930
Maybe they pulled the plug on the 360 online. It's a shame if they did, we were just starting to get a pretty active player base.

>>161162016
If they did that without even allowing Free Battle or patches to apply in offline they're real fucking faggots, I can tell you that. Heck, in my opinion they should fucking allow all maps to be picked in FB already, that alone would get me super hooked on VD again.
I don't even have a 360 and this is pissing me off

>>161167336
If anything, this downtime is making me appreciate the story more, but it also made me realize how boring VD is without other people to play with.

>>161170665
>>161167336
>>161162016
>>161149930

Post on their forums, email support, spam their twitter. Bandai decides how important something is by how much outreach they get.

Part of the reason people pay for xbox live is to get more reliable server service

>>161171816
Just emailed them, will keep posted if they respond.

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Does anyone else feel like the Attack on Big Box mission was too straightforward? Malzel's supposed to be this sort of great tactician, and yet he isolated himself and his partner for a straight two-on-two duel. I'd have thought the Big Box defenses would have made it impossible to approach with the aircraft that normally carry NEXTs.

>>161182890
I was expecting a VOB approach or some sort of gauntlet full of turrets to get past. Big Box really was a let down.

>>161182890
The Kiritumi head with that stabilizer looks dope as fuck. Kind of like an old-style samurai helmet.

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>when some nu-mech approaches me and talks about Raven privilege

>>161182890
Like many FA missions, it seems like there was some more depth to it that ended up just turning into background images.

I think it was supposed to be that the turrets on the map were supposed to cross-fire against you while you fought, but they probably never got around to it. Most FA missions are like this, where there's something that seems unique or cool but it's just a dumb DAE mission with a fancy stage.

>>161182890
Well, it was a tactically sound decision. The Box was designed to be this nigh-unassailable fortress. I think. Roadie says something to that effect, right?
Anyway, attacking it is supposed to be tantamount to suicide. They just didn't do a very good job of representing that.
>>161196161
I mean, they do provide crossfire on hard. You just have to be high enough for them to hit you.
Really, really high.

this aint animal crossing!?!?!?

>>161206342
Nope, next door over. Say hello for us when you get there.

>>161182890
It should have been a VOB mission, but with a surprise Kojima field that shut the VOB down from afar, forcing you to dodge artillery, scale the building, and then fight a two on two duel at the end (with ORCA normals harassing you all the way).

Then I would believe that Malzel is a great tactician.

>>161212113
>Hard Mode
>Malzel times it so that only Strayed's VOB gets Kojima'd, Wynne is allowed to pass through the defenses
>Wynne makes it to the top of Big Box right away, but Strayed has to fight through the gauntlet of defenses alone
>Wynne is suckered into a 2v1 gankfest
>You have to try and reach her before she gets defeated, otherwise you have to take them on 2v1 as well

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>>161105678
>
What did they mean by this?

>>161213015
>implying senpai can't take on two putzes in low-energy-defense slowmechs

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>>161218589
Actually, can she? I was messing around with the hire-able pilots once and found out that she can't even solo Wonderful Body on hard mode, but still. It's not like you actually have to kill the Normals, you just blitz the guy real quick.

>>161219806
Wonderful Body has that spread bazooka. I don't know how her AI works but if she tries to LB and gets bopped in the face with that she'll die in short order. The AI might have an easier time doing stuff like dual chainguns.

>>161228702
that pile scene, is simple magical.

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At this point, I've completely given up on Xbox 360 VD ever coming back. The dream is dead.

>>161248858
Now now, it's only been a few days. They'll get to it eventually.
It could always be worse. Once, the servers for V died and Namco didn't even acknowledge it for over a week. Took two weeks to come back up.

>>161248858
It took me about 24 hours before they responded to my email about the PS3 server. Have you posted on their forums?

>>161248858

Is the Ps3 server still up?

rip

>>161274701

Press F to pay respects.

>>161182890
I think 4A had a lot of shit cut to make the deadline.

IIRC, the original trailers showed a VOB approach to the Answerer, too. A lot of setpieces got straight cut, leaving the missions based around them feeling half-baked.

>>161285189

That's such BS. I hate when deadlines aren't reasonable.

So do I use the stabilizers to make it so that the NEXT is perfectly balanced, or is there some sort of advantage to having the weight skewed to one side?

>>161301304
You'll turn faster on the heavier side and slower on the lighter side. So unless you have some super meta tactic of always strafing in one direction, or you want your forward/backwards movement increased at the expense of the other, you should generally try to balance everything out as much as you can.

Try making a NEXT that's extremely heavy on one side and take it for a test flight, you'll see the difference right away.

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>eve online goes f2p
>trump wins
>code geass sequel announced

now all we need is AC6 to be announced for the year of our lord and savior 2016

Thoughts of Iron Brigade and Brigador?

>>161319913
Haven't played either, but Iron Brigade looks like it gets boring fast.
Brigador looks pretty cool, though.

>>161319913
Iron Brigade was surprisingly alright. It had some okay customization and was obviously much more fun with a group.

It's still just standard wave defense with an item system though, so if you don't like that kind of gameplay you probably wouldn't enjoy it.

>>161299586
>>161285189
Ubisoft.

Honestly, until Sony picks up From Software full time we're not going to get another 'great' From Soft game. They're a whore passed between bad publishers who just want to use them as third string devs to fill gaps in their lineups.

They just happen to be a very good whore with a lot of fans.

>>161307609
Three of those things you listed are awful things

2016 sucks

>>161311758
>true hero of ACLR

>>161326596
Yeah, pretty much.

>>161326596
>>161329487
Also the one that caused everthing for trying to play archaeologist

>>161270643
It was going fine yesterday.

bazinga

>>161331745
I thought that was the Nexus MC that caused everything

>>161355705
I think Navis found the suicide drones first.
Then they exacerbated the problem by trying to use the ancient tech as weapons, which got out of hand.
Then best corporation Kisaragi went and found what may or may not have been part of the Internecine.
>>161307609
We've lost too much for 2016 to be redeemed.

>>161355705
I understand that Navis found the Leviathan and start working on their own prototypes, but also manage to activate the suicide drones, but after everthing calmed down at the end of nexus, Jack start exploring and found the internecine, and while exploring the place, somehow, he just didnt reativated and start the drones production again, but this time also activate the pulverizers, realizing how powerful the pulverizers were, he start the whole LR plot to find a dominant badass enough to stop the pulverizers.

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fffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
VOTOMS is more than I signed up for.
>Chirico is The Arisen
>and he becomes the Seneschal
>there's still four episodes left
>have a test on Wednesday and a pile of homework due throughout the week
This is torture.

>>161326341

Feels bad man. We'll always have paris, at least.

;

>>160692303
I just finished 4A and loved it
What's the hardest AC game you got?

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>>161382541

LIVE DAMN IT.

>>161382541
Is this a troll post?
If not be aware of two things:

1. FA is one of the, if not the easiest AC game to pick up and the ridiculous energy surplus and jerky movement are very unlike older titles (this does not necessarily make it bad)

2. If you go straight for last raven just because "lol it's hard but I'm cool" you are going to get your shit kicked in. At least play Nexus first.

>>161382541
"I loved FA! I can't wait to play more of the series! It was so hard, but I love how fast it was!"

>infinite laughter

Don't start with Last Raven. Try Nexus or AC2 if you want more of a challenge without totally getting raped.

>>161403574
>>161407469
LR is just another game with fake difficulty.

>>161409586
If you wanna drop the "fake difficulty" argument you gotta define the term first. It's a meaningless word that has been thrown around a shitton, so tell us what you mean by it.

Besides, LR also has great atmosphere and gameplay. It being hard is not the solitary appeal and we don't like it to try and be hardcore.

And lastly the person the other anon and be replied to was asking for the hardest AC game for some godforsaken reason. We just answered the question.

>>161407469
>>161403574
Now now, no reason to be so presumptive. He's just asking a question.
>>161382541
Overall, Last Raven.
Situationally, Ninebreaker.
>>161385351
Wait, is the Gipsy Danger look actually doable in FA?

>>161409586

>fake difficulty
I want the nu-mechs to leave.

>>161403574
>FA is one of the, if not the easiest AC game to pick up

That's why I'm asking about something harder. I played VD before too.
Not a troll post, but an ignorant one.

>>161384352
Thanks, I was looking for this.

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>>161418651
It's not a huge step up in difficulty, but try Armored Core 4. It's not a more difficult game than FA in the traditional sense though, it's mostly just lacking features and fixes that FA has which makes it feel harder by comparison.

>>161409586
>>161410382
I'm going to call fake/artificial difficulty being enemies, missions, or aspects of the game that force the players to lose without being able to predict or win in the first place, such as MT enemies with arbitrarily high health or special attacks that you have to learn to dodge, instead of facing ACs where you would understand the basics of their combat and movement already.

LR has SOME artificial difficulty, in that you can't get human plus but enemies have it, and that it gives you hard missions right away but always has easier ones to take.

However, it is *nothing* compared to AC3/SL, or ACV/VD, or AC4/FA when it comes to artificial difficulty. The main enemies in those games are all MTs, not really ACs, and they deliberately send you enemy ACs at half health to mess with the difficulty.

>>161419271
AC4 is a wash, I think. While it's harder and requires more strategy than FA, the weapons that are powerful in FA are ABSOLUTELY FUCKING OP in AC4.

If you play AC4 but commit to never using grenades or machine guns, then it's actually very fun and challenging. At least until you get all the FRS points.

>>161437126
And to be clear, I'm not saying that AC3/SL/V/VD/4/FA is harder than LR, I'm saying they're easier, but the difficulty they DO have is more artificial.
Example:
Proper difficulty in Tetris would be making the game move faster the higher the level you went.

Artificial difficulty in Tetris would be removing the line pieces or making them rarer the longer you played the game.

While LR does send you pulverizers and super powered versions of normal ACs, they all move and act fairly predictably and are just harder versions of things you experience.

The VOB approaches, arms forts/big whites, inability to access shop parts until later in game, etc. are all examples of artificial difficulty, which are only hard because of the way the developers tweaked what you could/couldn't do at those points in the game, instead of being about learning the core mechanics of the game and using them in a new way. FRS points are also a HUGE form of artificial difficulty since they basically cripple you until you complete the story. All forms of leveling up are artificial difficulty to, though AC is saved from that.

>>161437929
"Is this feature difficult because it relies on learning or understanding mechanics that have been built-in from the start, and will be continued to be used throughout the game?"
>Yes: Not Artificial Difficulty
>No: Artificial Difficulty

"Is this feature difficult because it prevents you from doing something, or forces you to do something, which you will be able to do /not be able to do at some other point in the game?"
Yes: Artificial difficulty
No: Not artificial difficulty

>>161438438
Even better:

"Can the difficulty be overcome purely using prior knowledge of the game before encountering it? And if so, does the knowledge you gain used later throughout the rest of the game?"

The less true those are, the most artificial the difficulty. Things like arms forts are extremely artificial because they're basically their own little game with arbitrary rules and difficulty that has nothing to do with later missions.

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>>161359407
h-hey at least there is one good thing I listed!

>>161440893
Eve Online isn't terrible, I guess.

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360 servers are back online!

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>>161445679
>360 servers are back online!

Howdy.

>>161439135
>>161438438
>>161437929
>>161437126

Sounds like someone needs to git this speech off of their chest.

>>161439135
So since artificial difficulty is bad, we can't have any of these things in a videogame? It all has to be perfectly predictable and following the same core mechanic?
Because if that's what you're saying, anything that is not the arena with all parts unlocked for the player is verboten. This definition is ridiculously restrictive.

The only thing that can be legitimately called "artificial" difficulty is something designed to kill the player unless he has metagame knowledge. Having enemies that deviate from what the player can do and having the player progress by giving them more options is not inherently "artificial difficulty".
I agree on FRS being a dumb idea though, just for entirely different reasons.

>>161463348
This. By that guy's logic, Chief was the worst part of ACV.

>>161463348
>>161463348

Artificial difficulty isn't bad, but it can be lazy.

And it doesn't have to be predictable, nor does it have to follow the same core mechanic. I'm not saying any of that stuff.

I'm clarifying the definitions to point out difficulty that is actually artifically added just to restrict players, vs difficulty that comes naturally from learning how a game works and getting the physical ability to execute it.

Needing money to buy parts is artificial difficulty, but needing to know what parts to combine to improve your mech is natural difficulty.

You don't learn anything from buying new parts, it's just an artificial barrier between you and what you already know how to do that the game sets up so you're not too powerful early on.

Is that BAD? Not really. Is it a bit lazy? Well, maybe, but it would probably have made a much worse game if they had tried a way around it.

My only argument is that last raven has /less/ artificial difficulty than FA, even if it, overall, is more difficult, using that argument.

>>161463530
Chief was fuckin' great. But his UW being able to be used over and over again while yours couldn't be was sort of lazy game design.

The worst part of ACV were the "find all the hidden obscure enemy" subquests.

>>161410382
>If you wanna drop the "fake difficulty" argument you gotta define the term first. It's a meaningless word that has been thrown around a shitton, so tell us what you mean by it.
this person is right
>>161437126
>arbitrarily high health
ok see there ya go. when you say arbitrarily you are imposing your own standards/values into your judgment of the game, and instead of explaining your positions clearly (which you ultimately tried to do but that's not the point) you used a meaningless umbrella term that, at the end of the day, doesn't mean anything.
"arbitrarily high health", also, doesn't mean anything. what is arbitrarily? what isn't? what's the threshold, the difference? is the different between "arbitrarily high health" and "just high health" 10 seconds of sustained machine gun fire? is it 5? 30?
whatever it is, it is highly personal, in my opinion. but honestly, "difficulty" as an abstract concept that, when well executed, is built in to the very game's core design; it should not exist as a sliding scale that developers can simply "tweak".
what i mean is an enemy should be made difficult or not based on their AI/behaviour - but that is my personal opinion. if enemies are made more difficult because they take longer to kill, that does not magically make the difficulty "fake".
after all, some people find certain things difficult that others find easy, others vice versa, etc. that alone proves that "difficulty", as a concept, can neither be "artificial" nor "real". if you choose to judge the difficulty of a game, you are judging the entire game. you can't just say "this thing has too much health, therefore it's fake".
i don't even know where i'm going with this. i just hate how what first appeared as a troll/joke term used by PC dark souls players is now an actual point of discussion.
>>161463348
correct, succinct, not a rambly mess like my posts

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Do you guys realize that this post >>161409586
was bait?

>>161465202
>difficulty that is actually artifically added just to restrict players
you have to understand that what you find restrictive other players won't. just because you personally find something restrictive does not make it "artificial difficulty"
>difficulty that comes naturally from learning how a game works and getting the physical ability to execute it.
and people learn in different ways. that doesn't make one game's difficulty "artificial" and another's "real". that makes those games DIFFERENT.
humans have this tendency to want to categorize absolutely fucking everything. everything needs to be this or that; they can't just be different, or unique aspects. they need to be arbitrarily categorized so that our brain gets satisfied with an explanation, no matter how half-baked it is.
>Needing money to buy parts is artificial difficulty
>needing to know what parts to combine to improve your mech is natural difficulty
do you not see how these are highly personal criteria that differ greatly between everyone?
i love buying things from the store. i love getting a certain amount of money and having to decide between whether i want that bio scanner head or that fancy new grenade launcher. there's nothing "artificial" about that, and there's nothing more "natural" about knowing which of those 2 parts will "improve" my AC.
>>161465202
>My only argument is that last raven has /less/ artificial difficulty than FA, even if it, overall, is more difficult, using that argument.
i see what you are saying, and i'm not even the other guy. i'm not arguing with or against you.
but i am against the usage of that term. it's counterproductive and volatile in discussions for the reasons i've elucidated upon above, but to summarize, it's basically because everyone has their own definition of it, which makes the term meaningless unless you clearly explain your position - which, again, you have done, but you could have done that from the start without the term (proving my point)

>>161480864
sure was but i don't think the posts following it are, and i think having this discussion is healthy because most of the time these arguments just kind of end with no one learning anything and everyone just walking away bitter.
this way, we can learn what somebody means when they say "artificial", and we can (perhaps) help them in understanding why using the term doesn't accomplish anything unless you define what you mean by it, which, if you do, it completely bypasses the need to use pointless umbrella terms in the first place.
i just want people to be clear with their own opinions without resorting to meme terms. it makes talking about video games fun, and i really like talking about video games.

>>161481292
the problem is that outside of really calm (death) places like here, you dont get to discuss something like popular terms or meta stuff, because people belive they already understand them and anybody trying to talk about is either a newfag that needs to lurk more or a pretentious fag trying to impose his idea on others.

>>161484703
Which is why ded threads are better in many ways, people get more invested in them. I don't wanna be that guy but the ridiculous traffic 4chan gets nowadays inherently leads to a decline in quality.

Why are many mech fans from the West so obsessed with the bulky, slow, tank like mechs and games that are about that?

There is nothing realistic about that, just play a tank instead. Mechs strong points were always mobility and flexibility in weaponry and action. Speed is important since it's not going to be bulky.

Fuck the whole Battletech universe. Mechassault and its games are fun but it gave their idiotic fans some crazy assumptions.

>>161506158
>mech
>realistic

Buddy I got news for you

>>161506792
Realistic doesn't mean it exists. It means if it existed, how will it mostly likely be.

>>161506158
>>161506792
>>161506897
Also to put my rant into context, it's been largely a result of reading some reviews of games and comments some thinking Heavy Walker is somehow something mech games should aspire to be closest to. Apparently Heavy walker is what real mechs would be closest to.

>>161506897
>mechs would be speedy if they existed
Look I'm not saying I want all mech games to be slow and lumbering, in fact that's boring to play 90% of the time. But there is this one curiosity of physics that dictates that volume and thus weight increase exponentially as things get bigger. There is also a balance issue, and the problem with the complete retardation of building a huge battle machine and giving it external weaponry that it has to carry.
I agree that mechs would not offer any protection though, what with shittons of complicated joints. And mimicking human movement would require ball joints, and a flexible spine.

The point is that realism has no place when talking about giant robot series like AC. It's not an argument that brings anything to the table, even if it were applicable. Realism does not make games good or bad.

>>161507618
>But there is this one curiosity of physics that dictates that volume and thus weight increase exponentially as things get bigger.

Of course mechs would be heavy. And to be very speedy in a sci fi esque setting would required some new or better technology for it to make it speedy.

But if they're not speedy, there's no point to a mech. I'm bashing the MechWarrior fans' claim who think their games are better because it's pretty much simulation. Funny thing is, it's not. If mech did exist for the purpose of warfare, they'd be optimized for mobility, speed and flexibility. A tank would be much better as a bulky type of vehicle. And for rugged and not fitting terrain for modern tanks, sci fi settings would have a sci fi version of a tank.

>retardation of building a huge battle machine and giving it external weaponry that it has to carry.
Not really. That just means the machine can switch armaments and operate many tools. Mechs aren't supposed to be so heavy in scifi compared to tanks.

>what with shittons of complicated joints.
Yes. Also in a game like Mechwarrior the cockpit is exposed with glass. That's just suicide. At least vehciles with the same type of cockpit like fighter jets are fast and aren't sitting duck.

>The point is that realism has no place when talking about giant robot series like AC.
it does when people bash some of its games for being less realistic. Then again, I'm ranting after reading a bunch of comments and shitty metacritic reviews.

>>161508614
That's what I mean though. You're saying that the metacritic comments are wrong and attacking the contents of the argument (this is not realistic, this is instead), while I'm saying the argument itself dies not apply. I have two reasons for that: First, mechs are not realistic in general, as a modern tank is already faster and better at traversing terrain than a mech could ever hope to be, and second, because "realism" does not make a game good. The experience of playing it is what makes a game good.

The only kind of even remotely realistic mech would probably be a nigh-human size combat robot/suit for urban warfare. Every other niche is covered far more effectively by tanks, planes, and artillery. A mech wouldn't be an all-purpose, jack-of-all trades modular combat vehicle suited for general deployment, it would be shitty at everything. So the "muh realism" argument is even less relevant when it comes to mech games, which is why the comments you read are wrong on an even more basic level.

>>161480943
If you know how everything in the game works, you still have to go through the effort of grinding money and buying parts in order to improve your mech with them. No amount of intelligence or physical skill or knowledge/experience will change that.

If you know how everything in the game works, then your intelligence, experience, etc. all improve how well you can combine them.

Intelligence and such do not magically make the shop parts cheaper or max cash reward from missions higher.

Do you actually understand what's being talked about, rather than just dismissing it as "everyone has different experiences bro!"

>>161481292
The term is actually useful in figuring out what types of game design helps or detracts from game experience. You wouldn't get butthurt over people describing different types of damage formulas or force feedback, so why is talking about different kinds of difficulty using 'meme terms'?

>>161506158
>>161506792
>>161506897
>>161507389
I think the point about western game reviewers favoring slow, bulky mechs is a legitimate point. There's a huge stigma against any "fast" mechs in the west, because they get lumped into the 'anime game' genre. We don't have a lot of good 'fast' mech games, outside of AC.

Game reviewers suck.

In terms of realism, I think Metal Gear got it right. The most realistic walking mech would be a weapons platform used to traverse forests and rough terrain, where tanks can't go. They would be faster than tanks /over certain terrain/ but not faster on a flat terrain. Tanks are pretty quick.

On the other end of the spectrum, mechs that were just jets with a bipedal landing structure (VTOL jets) so they can land without an airstrip are another way it could be done, a la Macross.

>>161488391
No matter the traffic, a relative active thread is no place for discussion, /a/ and /v/ has taught me that.

>>161506158
I think the reason west prefer the bulky desing is because it looks more militaristic with a touch of fiction on it, east Mechs are more fantastic in a way, and I am only talking about the aesthetics.

Why the like slower action when talking about mechs? either, they related the fast action on mech to be really anime or just they think that a huge piece of metal shouldnt be able to move that fast, breaking their suspense of disbelief.

>>161419271
For a long time I thought that there was no reason to play 4 or V if you'd already played FA or VD

>>161528859
The problem is that veterans of the series keep spouting that meme when people ask about AC. It's because nobody plays these games in general, so when someone asks about them people immediately recommend the best of the modern games, which are VD and FA, since 4 and V are harder to get into and might give a bad first impression.

>>161528859
4 is still worth playing, I honestly think it's way more fun than FA for single player.

5... maybe not so much, especially with the servers down. All you'd get out of it is the story mode, which you can just watch online videos for. VD's gameplay is vastly superior and more solid.

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Post OST from things that would fit in the next AC installment.

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>>161534019
>Spirit of Bongerwill

>>161513886
>The most realistic walking mech would be a weapons platform used to traverse forests and rough terrain, where tanks can't go. They would be faster than tanks /over certain terrain/ but not faster on a flat terrain.
Hey are we talking about Ring of Red?
Because it sure sounds like we're talking about Ring of Red.

>>161541174
Italians are always best in aesthetics.

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>>161506158

>you're not allowed to like mechs of multiple types

~

>>161541174
Wait, so the rifle has a camera on it too?

>>161531832
I will need a idea on how the next AC will look at least

Death Parade had one of the most misleadings openings in anime history.

>>161558528
Before reaching the last boss on VD, I was expecting a mission were you had to explore ruins or to go a recover something from a ancient machine before another group did it, and the thing you had to find was a NEXT, probably a WG or ARETHA.

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So guys, the consensus is in on Final Fantasy XV. No spoilers here, it sucks. I would give it a pass if any of you guys were thinking of picking it up.

Also, there's a boss that you can cheese/shiv to death like the arms forts in For Answer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A7Srcxkzw0

Verdict Day is happening guys

Not that anyone will come but I'm just sayin

>>161584359
It's glossy Kingdom Hearts gameplay with way too much edge. From what I've seen, it's -alright- but really gimmicky. Better than expected, but expectations were very low.

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>>161591371
I want to so badly.
Being Engineering is suffering.

>>161592447
>>161592447
Can't you make a critique without spewing buzzwords only?

>>161598970
The game is glossy.

The game is using kingdom hearts battle mechanics.

The game has an edgy style to it.

Those aren't buzzwords, that's just what it is. Even if you love those things you have to recognize that it embodies them.

l

VD INT free battle room is open for duels, if anyone wants to. I'll be online for an hour or so

>>161584359
here's my first impressions:
some aspects of it are just mind bogglingly stupid
this game went through multiple layers of development hell, and it shows
it's all over the place, and about 5 years too late - if we're being generous
however, it is one of the comfiest games i've ever played, definitely in the top tier of comfy games, but it will take the contrarians on /v/ 1 or 2 years to admit that.
i do enjoy how you can buy the soundtracks for the previous games for a very small amount of gil in game and play them on drives to places. it reminds you of better times.
they put a lot of emphasis on the views you get when driving, which can be pretty spectacular. the day night system actually works but the days are too short imo
as for battles it's basically mindless fun and extremely flashy. literally flashy too. it takes a while to even know what's going on but when you come to terms with the fact that it's not that far off from a single player MMO with heavy emphasis on positioning (and not a whole lot more), it's alright.
i have to praise the magic though. fire scorches an entire area and burns everything. blizzard is literally a blizzard.
there is a lot of work put into specific parts of the game while others were seemingly completely neglected which is a shame.
i haven't played much of the story yet but so far it seems to be 0/10. with gameplay being a solid 7/10 and comfy factor at 10/10, i wouldn't call it a bad game.

>>161592447
>Better than expected, but expectations were very low.
this is accurate
>>161599202
>glossy
if you mean superficially attractive you're right, but glossy is not really a word people use to describe video games so i get the misunderstanding
>kingdom hearts battle mechanics
it's similar in a way to kingdom hearts, i guess, but when you look at it in terms of "action RPG", it's basically just more on the RPG side of things but with the veneer of an action game.
i haven't played enough of KH to compare it further really.
>edgy
not really. it's immature and very "teenage" but not edgy. i'd even put it on the innocent side of things. it's just dumb. stupid. but not edgy

>>161584359

For what I have seen from it, is a more flashy and mindless KH in terms of gameplay; the car moments look really cool to kill time to spend time on it, I havent check the plot so I cant talk.

After the mess that XIII-2 and ligthing return were, and the develpment hell this game went through, I have to say it's better than I expected (that isnt saying much), I will probably get it in the future, after the used copies became common.

>>161598914
But you can try and build your own robots that way

>>161613581
no you

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>mfw page 10

>>161624012
Tch. The spoiled brat of Rosenthal.

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>>161632257
what the fuck did you just fucking say about me you little Normal?

>>161632556
Jack of all trades, master of sucking Omer's cock.

>>161598914
Should've just majored in art history, Ahab.

>>161634423
But then he wouldn't be able to afford a computer to bitch at us with.

bunp

>>161634423

>art history

t. Liberat arts student.

Anon will bump this thread forever
All as you're saging over
On page 10 while someone lurks there
Another bump back to page 1

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>>161666364
I love how impractical and retarded the Answerer actually is. It's completely useless against anything other than NEXTs. Admittedly, a hardcounter for NEXTs is kind of useful, but not when you throw in the cons. It could literally be solo'd by trash AFs like Giga Base or Land Crab as long as they have the long range artillery cannons on them. It's not like the Answerer can dodge the shots or descend low enough to hide behind anything, and it certainly doesn't have any long range attack options.

It makes sense in context since it was used to stop ORCA who didn't have any long range options and mostly relied on their NEXT pilots. But still, it's such an inefficient design beyond that and really doesn't make any sense.

I still love it though, one of my favorite Arms Forts. Definitely one of the funnest to fight too.

>>161667901
Primal armor, immune to long range weaponry. At least in gameplay.

>>161670178
I'm sure sustained fire from something like Motherwill could easily wear down the PA and destroy it. And even if that's not the case

>Send in any garbage NEXT to harass it a little and wear down the aPA
>Land Crab OHKOs it with a cannon
10/10 quality design

>>161670495
I always imagined that the shear amount of KP output that thing has just instantly kills everything around it. The hard mode fight kinda backs up my theory with how your NEXT is constantly taking damage.

>>161670495

Yeah, the PA is said to just be that strong. It's kinda like how you can't be killed by foot soldiers no matter how strong they are, as long as you have PA up.

>>161632671
>>161632257
>Noblesse Oblige is the only next in AC4 with custom, bespoke weapons
>Joshua O'Brien is using a bunch of lame rosenthal parts.

>By ACFA, Joshua O'Brien is using a bunch of custom frame parts

>White Glint is just Omer's shitty knock-off of the original Noblesse Oblige.

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>>161676434
Isn't Joshua dead in FA? He piloted the ARETHA at the end of 4.

>>161676434
Didn't Omer hire you to take out White Glint?

>>161676434
You might want to replay 4 and FA and pay attention to the DEEPEST LORE this time.

>>161676434
>>161676838
>>161678065
>>161678459
Ah, I said the wrong thing.

I just meant that the inspiration behind the custom "White Glint" frame was to try and copy Rosenthal's Noblesse Oblige.