/egg/ - Engineering Games General - Formerly /svgg/

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>>160338489

bimp

>>160338897
THE UNENLIGHTENED MASSES

>>160340857
What are those

Spood...

>>160341980
spess balls
I believe they're still in the game, they're basically adjustable artificial mass blocks that don't need power and bounce around everywhere. They used to have adjustable friction but I believe that was fixed

>>160340431
Oh forgot to say, 3rd guy is someone playing Robocraft

>>160340431
>>160343424
>REM
>Another World
>Robocraft
>Spengies

>>160338897
Is it better than Chromehounds?

>>160347347
>all mounted to a ceiling fan

>>160347347
>fans go online
>everything starts spinning around and tangling up the threads

>>160347347
The monitor doesn't really need to be part of the engineering, and the mobo could use some dust protection, but besides that it's a decent idea.
7/10 for execution, 9/10 for inventiveness, 3/10 for safety (but honestly who gives a fuck about safety besides those guys from last thread of course)

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>>160347724
You know how Sandia made a spinning heatsink?

Why not spin your entire computer, using a rotary transformer for power and doing wireless I/O only?

It's literally free cooling.

>>160347724
That's why I only play games with multi-thread support.

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the eternal cycle of /ded/ returns once again

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>>160348392
I bet you think this is retarded but there's an idea in there.

Fanless your PC and cram it into the eye of a massive blower-style fan, with only the fan moving of course. Since you've reduced your PC to a single moving part, you can afford to blow the rest of your budget on good bearings and a huge, highly efficient brushless motor. Run it at a nice glacial speed for minimal noise, or kick the PWM up to max and spray zip ties all over your LAN party.

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HELLO YES WHERE IS THE FUCKING CRUDE OIL???

>>160351179
ur radar will never detect it becoz the signal bounces off the steel into space

>>160348392
>>spin PC at a gorillion RPM
>>overclock to 10.21 GHZ!
>>hard drive on one side of machine, changes write location, setting things off balance ever so slightly
>>vibrates out of control
>>explodes because it's spinning at a gorillion RPM
>>sends shrapnel everywhere

But for a glorious minute, Spengies actually ran at full sim speed

guys

hard drives work by rotating really fucking fast

what if you made a processor that works by spinning really fucking fast?

>>160353045
But the processor is directly plugged to the current which is faster than spinning?

>>160353045
Are you a physician? This is making so much of none of the sense, it is making my head spin really fucking fast.

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>>160338489
So would /egg/ play a game like shenzen I/O except for fluidic logic? IE computing and control with gas and water instead of electrons. There would be a lot of challenges with fan out and arrange stuff so as to minimize signal transfer time. It might also have more of a focus on analog circuit design than shenzen I/O

>>160354394
Some of that should be doable on algodoo

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What are the most fun settings?
Kind of want to encourage a large sprawl, little turtling at the start (so no giant iron veins at spawn)--not sure how to balance aliens with it.

If you rotated the hard drive really fast, could you speed up or slow down its ability to read/write?

>>160353045
Already been done

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLz54wpM0CZyp8kNDhOd5dDdPpFTUXPRmb

>>160350730
i wonder if the fast movement would reduce signal quality

>>160354394
i would

>>160354394
>hacking computers by peeing on it
the future is now

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>>160354394
>pneumatics engineering game
yes bls

>>160361463
pneumatic control systems have always been interesting to me. Not sure why.

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>>160354394
You mean this?

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>>160360193
it's just a really big fan

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>>160363228
Nope, I mean no moving parts fluidics. Like this.
http://miriam-english.org/files/fluidics/FluidControlDevices.html

Pic related a divide by 10 circuit.

Will have to include spool valves though if I actually make the thing.

>>160362306
When I first saw a pneumatic system it was from an old lego technic catalog. I thought it was way cooler than regular 2d meshing gears.

Now I have one. I was right.
Fuck untangling hoses though

>>160353045
hard drive access is the worst bottleneck, right there with I/O access
if anything, spinning fast slows things down

>>160353045
Because of power wall :^)

>>160300724
holy shit
the whole cam thing felt stupid at first then started to blow up my mind when we got to divisions and then the whole barrel cam thing
it's simple, but genius

>>160371221
Build a LPE.

>>160373641
Once we've got to the point where we can build simple versions of the examples they show in videos like that, we'll be at a good point in ENGINEERING games.
Eventually.

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So how many centuries late to weaponized tanks am I god bless the building tools mod, makes building tank tracks so quick and simple

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>>160376730
It's not super smooth but eh

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>>160376918
>>160376730
>rotating bogeys
OF COURSE

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>>160372051
>mfw chrome crawls up into the pagefile on my outdated linux daily driver
>mfw couldn't track down 2GB sticks of DDR2 fast enough if I could teleported it to my hands

>>160376730
Now build a clutched chaos engine and mechanically tie it to a track.

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got my first automated red and green science in factorio
im so proud of myself

>>160378028
Don't kill yourself rushing to blue science.

>>160378483
don't worry I hurt myself enough just getting this set up, logistics is not my strong suit

>>160378770
Ganbatte

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Is SE multiplayer still fucked? I haven't touched it since august. I made a nuke that abused the lag and ate through large ships. Managed to cut that newer NPC destroyer ship in half. Used Whiplash's torpedo as a template.

>>160382573
still fucked

>>160382672
Shame. I tried it out on the Andromeda server a while back and crashed the server. Then that one update came and I couldn't play MP since.

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>>160347724
>Fans go online
>PC flies away

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>>160347347
>Turn on fan
>"No Time For Caution" Starts playing

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Maybe I should replace the all steam cannons with unguided missiles

The cannons have very inconsistent range

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>>160385294
>Fan/copter on missile
>Doesn't use it

>>160373641
Actually building cams is harder than it looks
>>160376179
All of those can be simulated with commercial CAD software:

https://youtu.be/VhTWbcQPMY4
https://youtu.be/mUGOtdwxvYI
https://youtu.be/tlhtEbzVj5g

It'd be hard to make an engineering game that did this that wasn't as hard to use as GOLEMS or turned into CAD software.

The cams and disk integrator are hard to do

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>>160385439
Flyable missiles are being worked on, I just gotta make em really compact

Maybe I could use the tracking computer mod to make actual guided bombs, although I've never quite managed to get that mod to do what I wanted it to do

>>160338897
What game is it?

>>160389102
>tfw no crispy grilled egg sandwhich
george foreman grill shill pls go

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unded

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>>160391030
Overdead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TqmmHZSJo8

Guys we neeed help real quick: me and a budy want to play factorio together, but cant get it to work.

Heres what we tried:

>Forwarded port 34197
Results in the error message "Failed to determine external ip adress. Other players might not be able to connect"

>Used Evolve
Whenever we try to establish a party it tells us that the non-host has to be relayed for some reason. Went through all the troubleshooting we could find but nothing.

>Tried public servers
No. Just no.

Not native to this general but please halp.

>>160391289
never made a factorio serb, but can't you just make a public serb by starting a new multiplayer game, then setting a password so only your m8 can join?

>not native to this general
/egg/ consumes all in the name of CLANG

>>160392058
Yeah well the problem is just that he cant join. Something with the ports Im sure, but I did open the supposedly correct port, onle he didnt. That shouldnt be a problem though, should it? He doesnt have access to his router config at the moment.

>>160392173
Might be.
Isn't another port typically used as well?

>>160392302
What do you mean?
He'll probably be able to forward it in a day or two, so if that might fix it thats good.

>>160354394
Fuck yes, that would be mad.

is there any way to automate resource destruction in factorio?

I don't want to read any guides or tutorials because I love figuring this game out but right now my biggest problem is I can't match the ratios perfectly so my automated science pack assembly lines make extra X per each Y and I have to have arms grabbing X's placing them in a box to keep the system running. problem is I have to empty the box every 15 minutes or so or the whole thing gets backed up. is there a way to have an arm grab them and incinerate them or something? or do I just have to put a dozen different chests in a row?

>>160396382
alternatively: is there a way to slow down resource production/manufacturing? it seems like a huge hassle to try and figure out the math for perfect ratios. or do I just need to separate all the different components to different assembly lines so that it just fills up and stops when more isn't needed?

>>160396382
If you have too much production, increase consumtion.
And vice versa.
It's not that hard to understand.
And post pics, you might be doing something dumb, but your words are more spaghetti than most conveyors.

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>>160397067
>If you have too much production, increase consumtion.
the problem is the ratio of production is not perfect. if I need X, Y and Z to make a science pack then I'll always be over producing one of the three and it ends up clogging the whole production lines unless I manually pick it out or set an arm to do so.
>post pics
I'm gonna start a new game I think but this is as far as I got in my first save. Like I said I'm playing completely blind so be prepared for some retarded shit.

>>160397316
>mixing belts of many many things
>loops
>such small mines
>only 6 labs
Anon, I was only bullying you when J said you might be doing something dumb, I didn't think it would be this bad.
I mean, you are a first time player, but still.

>>160397440
I think the reasoning behind loops was to keep the production going at all times so it doesn't stop when a belt gets full. I'm guessing that was a bad idea? And I should keep one resource per belt?

Even with just the 6 labs I've been making process through the tech tree so fast I'm just randomly clicking things now because I'm like 3 tiers of tech ahead of what I'm actually capable of manufacturing.

>>160392407
https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=7714

>>160397440
>>160397748
Also, first thing needs fixing is your powerplant, it's all fucked up.
proper ratio is one pump : fourteen boilers : ten of the actual big power plant thingies.
Use as little pipe to connect them as possible.

>>160397657 #
If your production gets backed up, increase consumtion, loops just slow shit down.
And yes, one resource per belt only

>>160397748
>If your production gets backed up, increase consumtion
I understand that in principle but again, I can only consume as quickly as I can produce the slowest ingredient. I can't up the consumption of one ingredient specifically when the ratio is fixed.

>>160397937
Why not?
The only ratios you need to preserve are the assemblers themselves, nothing else matters.
Let me actually set up some shit so you can take a look at it.

>>160398093
>The only ratios you need to preserve are the assemblers themselves
But that's what I'm talking about. If my assembler needs 3 ingredients that come from different resources through different means it's real difficult to try and match the production of all three so that I'm not over producing one or two of them.

Though I guess if I fixed my assembly lines so that there's only one ingredient per belt and no loops then it would stop automatically and compensate for the difference by slowing production down.

>>160398289
There is no such thing as overproduction. Only underproduction and overconsumption.
Backed up belts are a good thing.
Removing mixed belts and loops is how you fix your problem.
Mixed belts are only acceptable when you confine shit specifically to one side of the belt.

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>>160398430
thanks I'll start a new game later today and probably be here bitching again tomorrow

>>160397657
>I think the reasoning behind loops was to keep the production going at all times so it doesn't stop when a belt gets full
If each belt lane only holds one type of item, then production doesn't magically halt.
There's very few practical applications to belts.

>>160398430
>There is no such thing as overproduction. Only underproduction and overconsumption.
What a nonsensical statement. You might as well say 'there's no such thing as half-full. Only half-empty.'

>>160401253
The goal is infinite production, there is no such thing as too much of it.
Have you ever played factorio?

>>160401462
Construct an example that involves overconsumption, without simultaneously involving overproduction.

>>160401717
Labs, bullets, rockets, etc.
Factorio has many methods of making shit just disappear without an product.
Overproduction does technically exist, but it is in the realm of the non-real, so it does not matter.

https://lichess.org/HWQHVzBR

>>160401868
>You're consuming too many bullets, draining resources from other production chains
No, you're just producing more than you can reliably sustain.

>>160402223
You are looking at the individual pieces of a jigsaw puzzle and trying to figure out the whole picture from them.
The end goal of factorio is infinite production.
This goal is unreachable, but approachable.
Overproduction falls beyond infinity, so it is not real.

The mere existence of your factory in factorio is a state of overconsumption.
You have not yet reached the goal, but you are still using more than your infrastructure can support, so you must make more infrastructure.
You are not producing too much, you are producing too much for your infrastructure to handle.

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Ministry for Understanding & Development of Nonstandard Computing and Information Processing when?
Wholly electrodynamic computer when?
Stellar gravitics when?
Combustics when?

>>160402551
A pile of nonsense building upon a clueless statement.
>The end goal of factorio is infinite production
That is your own arbitrarily defined goal.
The only goal in freeplay is the launch of one rocket with a satellite, the map considered won after that has been accomplished.
You might as well argue that exploring the map is the end goal.

>>160403528
>You might as well argue that exploring the map is the end goal
That is part of infinite production, so yes.

What is CLANG besides a pile of nonsensity wrapped in chaos with a dash of insanity and a sprinkle of the eldritch?

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>>160403396
Don't forget rod-logic, my obsession of the month

>>160373717
What is that?

>>160403648
logicCLANG manifesting as wordCLANG if I've ever seen it.
You've learned nothing, and embraced what any smart man would avoid.

>>160405094
>expecting sense out of someone seeing mind spiders from sleep deprivation
You only have yourself to blame.
Now if only I could make these spiders qt.

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>>160404964
>rod-logic

>>160400940
>If each belt lane only holds one type of item, then production doesn't magically halt.
the production of that ingredient does though if the belt gets full, doesn't it?

>>160406078
But is that an issue?
If the belt lane stops, then the item it carries is not needed.
If it is not needed, then why produce more?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_brain

>A Boltzmann brain is a hypothesized self-aware entity that arises due to random fluctuations out of a state of chaos.

>>160406313
gotta go fast?

>>160406479
If you thought about it for any amount of time you'd realize the tangential problem with that hypothesis.

>>160406479
>Enough monkeys
>Enough typewriters
>Enough time

This didn't need a wiki page.

>>160397864
>And yes, one resource per belt only
one resource per belt side that is

>>160391289
try hamachi maybe?

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>>160408372
>>160397864
>one item per belt lane
Although it is great advice to follow (especially for new players), it is not absolute.
If done carefully, one can safely keep several items on one lane - see pic.

>>160409563
>Hoboserb has plenty of mods and tends to be comfy and newfag friendlyish.
what does that have to do with anything?

>>160409958
of course, i'm well aware of that, but given the state of factorio's playerbase i wouldn't expect most people to understand how things like your pic work

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>>160412495
>tfw calculating assembler ratios is arcane wizardry to some
Too bad I can't get this particular thing working properly.
Furnaces toward the end of first row can't get rid of their products, so they shut down.
The issue then propagates from there, eventually killing nearly all production.
Gonna shift around inserters, see if that does anything.

>>160413306
Maybe you can, you know, JUST GET RID OF FUCKING LOOPS

>>160413685
>implying that'll fix anything

>>160391897
Mars seems to be a popular place to smash spacecraft into the surface/atmosphere.

>>160403648
>That is part of infinite production, so yes.
Uh, dude
He already pointed out that that isn't officially the goal of the game.
This is like saying the point of Minecraft is to find infinite resources/as near to infinite as you can, when there actually is an end goal nowadays. Just because you can go past it doesn't mean you absolutely need to.

Having your own goal is fine, but that doesn't mean it's everyone else's.

>>160406479
Watch Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex.

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>>160402551
>you are not producing too much
>you are producing too much (for your infrastructure to handle)
the point is moot anyway, we've got to determine wether overproduction hurts or improves efficiency, and that usually depends on how you've set up your infrastructure and what is being overproduced

>>160414280
>implying it will not fix everything
Your setup is absolutely unexpandable, faulty, and uses loooooooooooooooops to get rid of excess material
Meanwhile loopless system can be expanded as much as your resource bus allows you to, is very hard to fuck up and has no problem with excess material clogging up the output.

>>160401868
>Factorio has many methods of making shit just disappear without an product.
how?

>>160409563
Hello urist

>>160414925
Systems like his are cheaper and use less parts, the question is whether they can be made reliable. It's an experiment with a different class of designs, nobody claimed they were superior to classic designs.
You'll never get the most compact/cheapest/whatever metric you prefer designs if you can't think outside of the box.
pic related is a good example from when belts pushed items onto the next tile. The long-handed inserter can grab solid fuel from the tile the inserter is on due to the belt pushing it there, which allowed me to make that part of the facility this compact.
>>160413306
theoretically as soon as a furnace finishes inserters grab new products, which should make space on the belt for the output.
However that's not happening, at least not always, otherwise i don't see why it jams up.

>>160406479
>The universe is a constant state of chaos
>Thus, random patches of stability appear

>As things cool down, stars form
>Solids, gas, liquids form, and with it planets, somewhat faster than stars do
>As life appears, new life forms form, way faseter than planets do
>As languange appears, culture and knowledge forms, faster than new life forms do
>As knowledge increases, technology improves, gathering even more knowledge

Don't you see
The Singularity will happen. It already has before.
In truth, reality is CLANG, and we shall CLANG the Universe that lies within it so we may rejoin

>>160415247
he's referring to things that don't have an output product, but do consume input products, like science labs or turrets.

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>>160415684
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>>160413306
This is my default furnace setup. Completely tileable. To make a steel setup I just cut the ore belt (upper belt) halfway down a row and flip all the inserters after that point.

>>160415684
>Systems like his are cheaper
*cough* filter inserters *cough* more t3 splitters than needed *cough cough*

>and use less parts
The only parts that I'd use more than he did would be belts

>the question is whether they can be made reliable.
But is it worth the hassle?

>You'll never get the most compact/cheapest/whatever metric you prefer designs if you can't think outside of the box.
Yeah, okay, he's free to experiment, but why would you want to reinvent the square wheel for fifth time?

>pic related is a good example from when belts pushed items onto the next tile. The long-handed inserter can grab solid fuel from the tile the inserter is on due to the belt pushing it there, which allowed me to make that part of the facility this compact.
Well, if it works/worked, it's great.
Problem lies in fact that loops bring less advantages than hassle with setting them up properly.
If you want to challenge yourself, fine, if you'll get something superior to past methods from that challenge, even better m8, but don't push faulty designs as something great.

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>>160416116
>But is it worth the hassle?
>hassle
to some of us this is fun
i haven't played factorio for a year or so but i still enjoy discussing these things. and he is obviously playing in creative, meaning that he'd rather design something than actually play the game as well.
>Yeah, okay, he's free to experiment, but why would you want to reinvent the square wheel for fifth time?
We're not reinventing anything, we're experimenting with new types of designs that accomplish the same goal. There are many reasearchers IRL who experiment with new types of transistors, a vast majority if not all of their concepts will never amount to anything, but that doesn't mean their research is futile.
>Problem lies in fact that loops bring less advantages than hassle with setting them up properly.
That's not always true, there are some cases where loops are the optimal solution, although they are rare. I wouldn't call what he uses a loop though.

>>160416613

>>hassle
>to some of us this is fun
I am not criticizing that
>We're not reinventing anything, we're experimenting with new types of designs that accomplish the same goal.
Okay, fine, but why is he promoting his concept, when it has less upsides than "traditional" a.k.a. loopless, mixedbeltless approach?

>There are many reasearchers IRL who experiment with new types of transistors, a vast majority if not all of their concepts will never amount to anything, but that doesn't mean their research is futile.
Well, it is always good for seeking a road not taken, but I think those people are also aware that their toil might end up in dead alleyway with no exit.

>That's not always true, there are some cases where loops are the optimal solution, although they are rare.
Where? Outside of Factorio Team challenge, obv.

>I wouldn't call what he uses a loop though.
Why?
He redirects excess substrates back to main buss, where they are drawn again to the intake of smelters section. That's a loop. A looppy loop with smarter than usual resource feed.

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>Empyrion 4.4 Experimental branch is introducing modular buildings on an open grid
>new lab deco
>modular tables / furnishing
>statues??
>bugfixes blah blah good stuff as always

>They're starting to talk about all the neat shit they can't wait to bring with 5.0, modular buildings having been one of them that they decided to dole out early

Today I believe that spengos will be completely unplayable, even in singleplayer.

>>160414543
That was about the literal definition of memes before normies ruined the term. An example of a real life Stand Alone Complex was the clown thing that happened in the states. You're thinking of the first movie.

>>160417472
Son of a fuck, I am as well.
It doesn't help that I can never remember what order they came out in, or if certain ones aren't the same timeline (although I remember the film's end prevents the others from following it at least).

>>160416116
>the superior way of doing things is the only way and i'll yell "LOOPS" at anyone who posts a screenshot that's different
once you figure out the most efficient designs they get boring fast
experimenting is fun

>>160416926
>but I think those people are also aware that their toil might end up in dead alleyway with no exit.
what makes you think he isn't? because i'm pretty sure he is aware of that.
I'll respond to your other points later.

>>160417672
thERE'S NO SUCH THING AS FUN

To whoever cares:

>reliability
I ran the green chip and steel smelter for an hour without supervision while I went for a bike ride. Grabbed a bagel on the way home, which I'm devouring as I write this.
Green chip assembler has produced 24k green chips and zero excess raw material.

Steel smelter has produced 11k steel, 24 ore, 6 coal and 11 iron plates
However, I see that the steel smelter is about to fuck up. The first two smelters have nearly filled their output buffer, meaning the smelter isn't fully stable.
I've got a few ideas to implement before giving up.

>can't be expanded
Upgrade the belt, cut off the bend that joins the two rows of smelters/assemblers, then add more machines. much hard, very difficulty.
Sure, you can't just upgrade it to include another belt, but that issue is present in just about every design.
If I can make it work with one belt, it should be a piece of cake to make a design with two belts.

>da loop
Given the minimal amount of excess materials, one could leave it to active providers and logibots.
It'd still be a loop in the strictest sense, but I figure it might calm your raging autism a bit.

>The only parts that I'd use more than he did would be belts
One piece of blue belt costs 21(.5) iron and 2 lube. A typical steel smelter using steel furnaces might have one full belt iron ore, one half belt fuel and one half belt steel.
My design achieves nearly the same output (92%, would be 97% with solid fuel) using only one singular belt. Saves space and materials - not that either matters, especially when using yellow belts as I do here.
Admittedly the requirement for filter inserters is a bummer. I'd prefer to do without them for the input, really.

>>160417672
>experimenting is fun
Then why is he spoiling fun?

>>160417472
>An example of a real life Stand Alone Complex was the clown thing that happened in the states
is that a spoiler
please don't be too big of a spoiler

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The loop feeding back into the bus has been changed.
While it's necessary to deal with any excess raw material, I might as well feed it back into the production stream.
Given that the input is delivered in exact ratios, this should pose no problem.
A simple backlog check has been added, so that no "new" feed is added if any "old" feed is in queue.

Further, the two frontmost smelters can now feed directly into their neighbouring smelters.
Hopefully, this should fix the issue of smelters being unable to get rid of their products.

Time to let this thing run for another hour.

>>160416926
>but why is he promoting his concept
I need to ease you fucks into it.
When a factorio serb finally comes up, I don't want everyone to curl up in fear of what I'm building.
But really, I just wanted to try. Might come in handy at some point.

CRAM are cool and all but when are you negroes going to step it up and make SLAMs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersonic_Low_Altitude_Missile

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>>160416926
>it has less upsides
that's still up in the air in my opinion
About Loops, based on my experience with Bob's Mod's + Dytech, although this probably applies to most mods with enough research.
Research speed varies greatly, i. e. 1 tech might consume 1 science pack/lab/20s while another might consume 1 science pack/lab/120s
Thus, actual science pack usage rate varies wildly, and might be less than required for fast researches and less than required for particularly slow researches. Additionally you can simply stop researching something for a bit.
So (temporary) buildup of science packs at the end of your regular belt is unavoidable. this will slowly be used up as you do researches that consume more science packs than you produce. This buildup can be used much more efficiently if you loop the science pack belt. It's a minor benefit(high-consumption researches are quicker if there's a buildup) but the cost is also minimal, especiall for some science lab setups like the one pictured.
>>160418652
that should be a lot more resilient to jams, although i'm not sure if your previous design would even have jammed eventually. Here's an idea that would make it completely resilient to jams: Infrequently(every few minutes or whatevery oucan do comfortably with logic) make a small gap. i. e. don't saturate the input belt completely, but make a small gap rarely so that it doesn't really accept throughput. that way, any jammed up furnaces will have belt space to put output products onto and un-jam itself. Do you get excess products when you supply slightly less products than required to keep all furnaces operational?

>>160420923
>and might be less than required for fast researches and less than required for particularly slow researches.
correction: more than required for particularly slow researches.

>>160397665
Thanks. We have tried evolve and the problem was that the guest in the party was always connected through a "relay", which limited bandwidth to about 4-5Kb/s makingit impossible to play anything.
For this one we couldnt find a solution so far as none of what evolve tells us seems to be working.

>>160420923
>Infrequently(every few minutes or whatevery oucan do comfortably with logic) make a small gap. i. e. don't saturate the input belt completely
When I originally attempted this with copper smelting, the feed had regular vacancies due to how flow was regulated.
The smelters did none the less suffer from stoppage. I never bothered trying to adjust the size or frequency of the gaps - trying another production seemed like a better alternative.

>Do you get excess products when you supply slightly less products than required to keep all furnaces operational?
Occasionally. The updated smelter has produced 10k steel plates. 57 iron plates, 8 coal and 8 iron ore have been looped back.
There is no indication that the smelter will stop any time soon, as no output buffer contains more than 15 iron plates - I suspect those extra inserters at the front did the job.

Assuming a yellow belt carries 13.3 items per second, there should be sufficient throughput for 42.9 furnaces - this setup has 44.
The expected output is 147.03 steel/min; according to the production tab, the average over the last hour has been 147.4


On a side note, 65k green chips have been produced without a single piece of excess raw material making it out.

>>160420618
Why not CRAM a SLAM into a CRAM, and then SLAM the SLAM into the enemy CRAM?

>>160420923
First off, buildup on researches that consume more techpots than you make allows your labs to work at full throttle longer than if there was no buildup.
Also this problem can be alleviated with splitters that feed different sections of research complex.
Yes, loops can be made to work reliably, but outside of extreme situations it is too much effort for minuscule gain, or even loss of efficiency.

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Here I tested a two-belt setup - not sure if it's worthwhile.
Controlling feed flow is a bit trickier than I expected.
There's also some amount of raw material in the output stream, which is of course rather undesirable.
Testing a different setup for removal of this material.

>>160424585
You talking shit about my loopfus?

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>>160347347

>>160426771
Canadian computer engineering

>>160424585
>First off, buildup on researches that consume more techpots than you make allows your labs to work at full throttle longer
of course, but only the labs at the end that have access to the buildup work full throttle+however many your production can sustain at the front. the ones inbetween are inactive. A loop makes the buildup get used up more quickly as all labs can use the buildup instead of just those at the ends. splitting up the bus doesn't really fix the issue of buildup at the end.
Granted, this is just a minor tweak that grants a small benefit(faster research completion) in a very specific case. But i actually found a very good example where a loop is necessary. Let's say you use turrets that require ammo (items) for defense(because mods). You'd have a fairly long belt running along the edge of your base feeding your turrets. Now let's say all the turrets have been filled up to whatever an inserter considers full. There's 60 extra pieces of ammo built up at the end, along with a piece of ammo every 10 tiles(however fast your production works). Now, some turrets somewhere except the end covered by the builtup uses up it's ammo supply to shoot aliens. How quickly can it get new ammo? Only as fast as it is produced, it cannot use the buildup. With a loop, it can use what is in the buildup.
tldr; as belts become saturated only turrets at the end have access to more ammo faster, as loops become saturated all turrets have access to more ammo and faster ammo supply. At full saturation there's no difference.

>>160426771
There's a picture somewhere of a setup which consists of an entire PC fully submerged in a silicon-based fluid (that looks like water).
It freaks people out when they first see it because the guy put it all in a fishtank and the fluid looks like water.

>>160427886
>belting ammo
But driving the perimeter doing manual top-ups at night is half the comfy.

>>160428384
That's oil submersion cooling and it is an obsoleted clockchaser technique for very good reasons. There are no gains to be made over modern water/alcohol intercoolers and supercooling (R134 intercooler/LN2 submersion) techniques have been well pioneered.

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>>160386431
Getting there

>>160428772
>mods
>savefile modification

try again

>>160429358
>savefile modification
What.

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>>160417052

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>when you are so autistic you cant even decide on what map to play
for the love of god someone save me and pick one

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>>160417052
>>160429701

>>160429809
That one

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>SE update fixed the sensors working on its own main grid
Is robit's guy still alive?
This might help.

>>160429672
the wing panel at the top of the misile is resized

>>160429809
the one with the big central island

>>160429809
whatever nets you enough iron to build railways to faraway iron and oil deposits

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>>160430000

>>160429860
dont do this to me anon im dying inside

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Update confirmed for actually amazing

>>160430105
The one with Seyton in it

>>160430247
im going to cry

>>160430056
they are all resource rich

>>160430302
The one with red bits

>>160429986
Everyone is waiting on ARM OS updates now regarding robits
Everybody wants to make math for smooth walks and such to make drone units

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>>160430000
That has nothing to do with savefile modification

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>>160430384
fug you, im going to flip a coin for each then

Oh look at that it was the right one all along

>>160423329
>CRAM
>SLAM
SLAM SLAM SLAM, CRAM CRAM CRAM

>>160430916
What is this, a porn script?

>>160430867
There we go, I knew messing with you would make you choose eventually.
Coin flipping is the best way to solve simple problems like this. That or seed-based RNG, where you can just use whatever word you come up with on the spot.

>>160431002
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-l4bt8agqw

>>160430226
>No longer have to build a clangtastic piston stand just to connect small and large rotor parts on a planet
They almost deserve not to get gassed. Almost.

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>>160430570
Multigrid physics in spengos dosent help, but the only thing you need to make this walk properly is edit some auto align script to take the yaw axis into acount and thats it, since this only takes roll and pitch because it leave you the yaw to steer.
Its shit to do it manually, and with sensors its complicated since terrain is not allways flat.

>>160425304
>Each expansion requires recalculating the input
Pfffffthh...

>>160427886
Well, that makes sense. But still neither labs nor guns unload anything back to the loop, and nothing from those loops is getting redirected back to other parts of factory.

>>160431735
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxpcE-GP-Wg

>>160431735
The idea is that doing it ourselves in ARM OS allows for way more fine gait control. We could do it all ourselves as is, could have done it years ago, but it seems nobody wants to start from the ground to do the C#. I've said for years that inverse kinematics was the way to go and now we have a tool for it. Welding gantries are piss easy using ARM OS.

>>160427886
Labs are the only context in which I can rationalize loops. It could also be accomplished by series of splitters, which is admittedly expensive and would take up a lot of space. Regardless it's a sign I need to expand production.

For turret ammunition, belts are already a terrible choice given how far you may need to distribute the ammo.

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http://kalantarian.org/artak/Literature/steelypips.htm
Steelypips, illustrious, industrious, and they hadn’t a care: no spats in their vats, no rules, no schools, no gloom, no evil influence of the moon, no trouble from matter or antimatter – for they had a machine, a dream of a machine, with springs and gears and perfect in every respect

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>>160428657
>Not using oil so you can make snacks to eat while you're gayman

>>160428657
what exactly does water do that oils or other fluids don't to fuck up computers?

>>160434192
I'm guessing "conduct electricity"

>>160434192
Conduction, corrosion.

>>160434192
I have no idea, but i'd say that conductivity is a major factor

>>160434391
>>160434502
>>160434443
Unfortunately someone once told me that distilled water doesn't conduct electricity so that always messes me up
I blame my high school for not requiring chemistry or physics

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>>160433263
Well that was a pleasant little read.
>Bureaucracy Clang

>>160434587
It's true, but you'd have to keep it pure, and I'm not sure how this would play with the low power/short distance nature of circuits. Regardless, circulating a ton of fluid around a case sounds impractical.

http://www.lenntech.com/applications/ultrapure/conductivity/water-conductivity.htm

>>160435001
I'm having repeated ENGINEERING ideas for the purposes of moving fluid while not tangling cables and such.

One is having a large, drum-like fan around the PC parts but still inside the fluid. Maybe even have some parts arranged outside the fan (but still wired up to the rest, obviously) so not all the hot fluid is in the middle.

>>160435001
It is HIGHLY impractical and you're liable to watch as the caps fall off the mobo the second you take it out of the oil. Modern intercoolers are as good as oil submersion ever was. Fabricating an intercooler for R134 is orders of magnitude moreso and LN2 is how a Russian managed to hit 8GHz.

>>160432139
The problem with ArmOS is that dosent support multiple limbs, you cant trick it, maybe with an easy automation to rename the blocks, and switch between them.

What you can use is a mix of the digi's control module to have analog control of any rotor or group of rotors you want, and an easy automation to do the switching.

>>160414298
Americans like to pretend they're bombing Russians.

>>160431901
i thought about it a bit and dynamic consumers(i. e. consumption rate varies) whose consumption can exceed production can benefit from loops, as the buildup is more readily available
i don't see how whether or not they unload anything matters
>>160432576
trains make equally distributing the ammo difficult, which is important unless you're producing plenty of ammo making shortage not an issue. Also, for long continuous sections of walls you're still going to want belts.

>>160436178
That's why we're waiting. Multiple limb control is the one thing stopping it from making spider tanks trivial. Once that hits you could WASD+mouse the thing like normal.

>>160436257
>i thought about it a bit and dynamic consumers(i. e. consumption rate varies) whose consumption can exceed production can benefit from loops, as the buildup is more readily available
But in the long run gains are nonexistent, as the amount of resources consumed is same as amount of resources gathered/crafted.
Only thing gained is that instead of p.e five assemblers slowly chugging down the buildup, you distribute that chugging across the whole setup, which would actually matter if assemblers needed maintenance. Otherwise you're just adding to complicity of your setup for the sake of complicity

>i don't see how whether or not they unload anything matters
either you need different belt for unloads, or you need to do gymnastics with circuits to prevent flobs from fucking up rest of factory.

>>160436257
I guess if your production is really low and you're relying on the infrequency of attacks to build up ammo reserves, and you're not using logistics or splitters or circuits to control ammo distribution, and the area you are trying to protect is sort of large but not really that big, then it might make sense to use loops until the attack intensity increases a bit and your factory is devoured.

>>160434587
Sink water also doesn't conduct over ""long""distances. But on a computer board where it's in everything it'll fuck shit up.

>>160433263
Gotta love lem

>>160409245
Ah thanks so much. After trying evolve I was sure that Hamachi would just do the exact same thing, but it didnt. Works fine now!

Will today's update fix serb?

>>160442085
serb is ded

>>160442206
That's why I'm asking. Maybe keen will pull a super unfix and everything will be alive again.
But I've checked and they added achievements instead, totally something that was lacking in the game and the true reason why I'm not playing it anymore.

>>160437161
>Only thing gained is that instead of p.e five assemblers slowly chugging down the buildup
>assemblers
>dynamic consumer(consumption rate varies)
that's the whole point, a turret has spikes in consumption that can temporarily exceed production. If the belt is only partially backed up and the turret consumes a lot of ammo, it can easily run out of ammo, with a belt the only input it gets is whatever you produce, with a loop the backed up stuff can be used up as well, leading to quicker refill rates.
Consider how a 50% backed up loop and a 50% back up belt look like, the loop evenly distributes the extra materials over the entire belt leading to faster reloads.
It dosen't apply to assemblers because the consumption is constant. load isn't dynamic like it is for turrets and less so for labs.

>>160442569
> Maybe keen will pull a super unfix and everything will be alive again.
Maybe on bizarro world

>>160403396
What tesla describes is a mehtod for making x-rays not flying saucer nonsense

If an electric car is rolling down the street with the engine turned off, would the wheels spinning generate electric current on the motor and possibly fry or damage or the batteries?

>>160443123
Oh, misunderstood that.

Still, unless you've got FTL research, only thing actually benefiting from loops are turrents

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb22BkCbpik

Engineering ?

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>>160436371
Or grappler ships.

Are there any limits to just using C# code for this?

Also, for maximum smoothness, ARM OS should do inverse dynamics too

>>160444117
>kidnaping enemy ships in homeworld 1
Oh the feels

>>160443215
They are designed to do that. It's called regenerative braking

>>160338897
Please tell what game it is.

>>160444449
Empyrion.

>>160444449
It's MAV or something like that.
It has problems apparently.

>>160443215
No. They actually regain part of the energy they used climbing the hill.

>>160444531
http://bombdogstudios.com/
EA, looks like it got shoa'd from steam somehow.

>MEDIEVAL
WINDOW BLOCKS

>SPACE
ACHIEVEMENTS


THE BEST UPDATES YET (???)
no

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>>160443157
Technically, bathroom at bus station not considered Bizarro World.

>>160444531
>>160445072
Fuck its like chromehounds, what happened?

>>160446265
Dunno.
I remember people playing it months back, not sure why they stopped.

>>160446265
It's ass and runs like shit.

daily reminder
gas the nuKeen

also spaceballs best block
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FShc3zcLBw

>>160443215
>will normal operation fuck the thing
Get out.

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>>160413306
The very easy solution would have been to make a separate tread for each materials. I'm pretty confident I have a better production with less furnaces just because the furnace aren't waiting to put back their stuff or waiting to get the filtered material.
And it's easily scalable if you leave space.

Pictured, older screenshot of my first bases ever. I don't produce/use a lot because I was improving and creating new assembly as soon as I had the tech

If you spin an electric car really fast, would it generate a physician field and summon CLANG?

>>160449214
I wouldn't worry about it.

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How does this welding technology work?

Does the assembler make steel plates in little tiny balls and this thing electrically flattens them?

>>160443538
>Engineering ?
yes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4KE8x1yfVw

>>160451717
Drop a plate and look at it.
The suit has enough strength to help you bend the plates in the desired shape by hand, the welder welds them in place.

>>160451717
It is the beginning of the Atonement Ritual

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Yes hello I am tenk

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>>160455036
>Fiat

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>>160455036
>that
>am tenk
anon bls

>>160338489
You know what, yes the Engineering looks extremely stupid, no supports that we can see under the slab. Now that slab may be reinforced and it may support weights fine.

The train track may have been abandoned long ago and so that is a non issue. There are many places in portland OR. Where I live that have abandoned track and people build around it or across it, because its not worth taking out.

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>>160455525

>>160455204
Any idea what show that was at?

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>>160444117
Benis with arms?

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>>160455859

>>160456962
daily reminder
space penis best space ship
>>160455870
afraid not, I found it searching for TKS tankette (literally the QTst word in existence)

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>>160457245
I keep thinking of Spengies, and then I remember making this wall and realising, it'd be pointless to have because no counter would ever reach 1.

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>>160457359
>2013
>making space dicks
>2016
>making robotic space dicks
Engineering never changes...

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>>160457245
>been gone for ages
>my weld bug is still being posted

>>160455176
>a trip down the memory lane
Bridges were cancer
But they were fun cancer

>>160455204
Iirc this shit could fuck up PzI's and PzII's badly, if it was used properly

Tho both of those were tin cans on track, so...

ded jej
/egg/ should join cup.
Will be advertisement.
Spread the word of CLANG.

>>160462534
We already get newfags, somehow, but I would like to participate in the /vg/ league.

Maybe force Ced to manage.

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>>160462645
>Maybe force Ced to manage.
Please, don't.

>>160463083
You must, Ced. With no server to run, you must be pretty bored, yeah?

>>160463195
I'm playing Armored Warfare. I suffered enough. I worked over 8.5 years for a broadcast company doing soccer games. I had my fill. Never again.

>>160463547
>almost 9 years of sport ball
Jesus fuck, had my fill in one year of middle school gymclass.

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>robocucks udpate came out that changed tons of shit
>was promised that small bots would now be SUPER FAST

>take my small bots out
>only goes 10mph faster than before when overclocked to max

Thanks Freejam.

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any of you guys checked this out?
http://store.steampowered.com/app/330460
i need info if it is as comfy as it looks

>>160464954
i have it, its fun for like 5 mins, its like in early-alpha-alpha, maybe u will have more fun with it than me, just pirate it desu

>>160465168
i am looking for comfy game but i am done with Space Engis, Medi Engis and Factorio... i am dying for good game

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>>160465737
>i am dying for good game

so we are all.....

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>>160465737
You should try REM

>>160466013
>tutorials
Oi. Stay on task.

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>>160467065
We are, all these only took a few days. These plus a few bugfixes will be the last version for some time as we do nothing but implement the new physics system.

>>160467197
arigato senpai.

The deddenest

>see a neat spaceship design
>urge to autism
>remember spengies
wtf i have space now

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/egg/ empyrion serb when?

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>>160471972
fuggg

machinecraft best /egg/

>>160472931
The fuck would we even do that we don't do on Andromeda?

>>160473537
have actual faction rivalries

so is empyrion like, space-voxel-engineering game for stupid fucks like me?

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>>160474094
it's spengies with half the enginering but 10x the stability

also reminds me of rust for some reason

anyone play my summer car?
i was wondering how difficult putting the car together is at first because the game as a whole looks really interesting but i dont know the first thing about building engines from scratch

>>160431901
>Each expansion requires recalculating the input
What do you mean?
I build my setups so that they're exactly fed by a yellow belt.
Scaling up production is then just a matter of upgrading the belt, and adding more machines.
Knowing that the throughput of each belt is 13.3/26.6/40 (items/s) respectively, there's minimal math involved.
The ratio of input materials remains unchanged of course, which is the only thing the deciders keep in check.

>>160448840
>I'm pretty confident I have a better production with less furnaces
In your confidence, you failed to read further on the topic, and missed that I shared the average production - which proves you wrong.
The measured production of 147.4 steel/min corresponds to the production of 43 furnaces running non-stop without interference. I have 44.
With this setup, the throughput of a yellow belt is only enough to support 43 furnaces.

>>160474410
It has it's own general.

>>160315459

>>160474532
oh sorry, thanks lad

>>160474410
Get a grasp of how to build an engine from scratch and try it.
Tutorials are for fags.

>>160474532
Nice.
Won't last long though, but still more than the Factorio on Steam boom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEwxguHUi_U

/egg/ sings to orchestral version in belter creole when

>>160474809
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMZOtHIL7QM
Post comfy musickss.

>>160474809
Feb. 8 hyp.

Engineering is the only true engineering
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dargOslomMA

>>160397316
get into braiding conveyors

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>>160474809
>belter version of tighten up still not released

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>>160477447
Now that's engineering

>>160474215
I've never tried Empyrion before, how does it have less engineering than Spengo? Also does it have a sandbox creation mode?

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>>160479472
it doesn't have any rotors or pistons or scripting

yes it has creative

it also has competent devs

>>160479630
>No CLANG
>Competent devs.
>Only 20 bucks.
Looks like I'm trying Empyrion.

>>160479718
remember to read the f1 tutorial

Empyreon is more like playign with Lego.

Theres not really any "engineering". You just build what you think looks cool, but dont go full retarded because your structures have structural integrity, and have to hold together well, and then just slap on engines, oxygen tanks, generators, fuel tanks, etc wherever you want.

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>>160481058
>lego
>not engineering
Think you mean shitty knockoff physician tier mega blocks.

>>160397316
Oh sweet summer child

>>160481621
>entire machine driven by a LPE
Fucking glorious. 10/10 engineering.

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Planes are really manueverable in Robocucks again. Thank fuck. Had to add some extra thrusters to get to faster sanics though with the new changes.

>>160483921
What ams LPE? I'm not very familiar with mechanical computers and Google is not helpful.

>>160484714
I assume it means lego pneumatic engine.

>>160484895
It's no built V6 with machined cylinders and valves but it apparently drives all that shit perfectly on that weird flat 3 rocking cylinder configuration.

>>160484275
>Planes are really manueverable in Robocucks again.
Finally? Don't need to stack foils on foils anymore?

Hate to call you a liar, but the idea of Freejam doing something right seems absurd.

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1.5-2 block wide wheels when

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working wheels when

>>160485629

>Freejam doing something right seems absurd.

They still arent anywhere near as maneuverable as they used to be. But now thrusters and all movement parts get a boost depending on how low your CPU is. Its not the greatest, but at least its slightly better than it was.

You have higher CPU, all your movement parts function slower. You have lower CPU, your movement parts are faster.

I guess it was to encourage small fast shit vs slow tanky shit. So far tanky shit still shit stomps small shit almost every time. But occasionally a small little shit can quickly evade the big guys now.

So how is Shenzen I/O

I'm not into programming or electronic engineering at all but it looks neat enough that I'm considering spending some shekels on it

>>160488283
Minecraft man was singing its praises on twitter.

>>160488347

Yeah but he is legitimately, unironically, un-memedly a cuckold

>>160488396
It comes with the territory of being a swede.
I have it downloaded, someone put it up, but haven't got a chance to play it.
People seemed to like it quite a bit though.

>>160488506

I mean it looks pretty comfy to play but I'm absolute shit at anything more complicated than shit like Lua so I'm wondering how much that would impact my ability to have fun and make neat shit

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>>160486330
Never

>>160473728
Excuse me while I am literally laughing myself to death over here.

>>160489196
I nuke random bases on that serer before. One shot a few even.

>>160489883
The last time /egg/ was offered faction warfare, people bitched about not being able to offline raid others, and did not show one iota of interest in actually smacktalking someone or signing up for fights. That is all I meant by that. I trust that you can do these things, 100%. But, if people actually do them is another story. /egg/men on a wild server, blasting pubbies? all day. Fuck pubbies. But, it seems like most /egg/men cannot bring themselves to actually slap another /egg/man around.

>>160489883
To be honest after finding out how to safely destroy anything out of reach of anything else, non-direct combat is trivial, homing rockets make direct combat a pain in the ass, and auto-miners trivialize resource management to the point where you'll end up making mega-destroyers a week in.

Not that they serve any purpose other than to store your shit in since you'd rather just use whatever's optimal that doesn't make you get a single ding on your vessel.

>>160490189
Wasn't that dedgineers though?

>>160490252
>Wasn't that dedgineers though?
Yeh. Do you figure Empyrion to bring out different traits?

>>160490189
>>160490252
I've done it while they were online. I've even told them ahead of time I was coming. Had great space to planet battles where I would siege their base. I would park a carrier above or on the horizon and launch smaller craft for the assault. Shit was cash.

>>160490320
More stable netcode at least gives dogfighting a more equal footing, other than that... not really, no.

Empyreon just needs some shield generators or something to prevent tiny babby damage from fucking up your paint job.

Just make them eat energy like mad, and have an on/off switch, so you cant just cruise around with them on 24/7.

Also some kind of shipyard function that lets you dock a ship, and have the shipyard use materials to restore the ship to a specified blueprint.

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>>160483267
>>160477462
this is what I managed to come up with yesterday. it's nicer, right?

>>160491219
Much better, though I typically just have chests coming off of the side of my main production lines, for storing stuff for manual crafting, as what you have there is going to slow shit down once you start upgrading belts and expanding the smelting wing.
Chests aren't really necessary for the factory itself, until you get to trains or cheaty logistics bots.

>>160491573
yeah the chests are there because I started off by building belts to get all the resources in one place. right now they are pretty useless except if I needed to build up stock (which isn't happening right now)

>>160491734
Don't be afraid to go bigger with mining and smelting too.
I typically use 10 or even 20 furnaces, supported by either half as many miners or just as many depending on what tier the furnaces are, just for my initial smelting setup.

Admittedly, I do use oregen settings designed for trains, big ore patches, spread very sparsly, somewhat rich.