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I want to lick Luna all over!

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Erika is a bian!

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>hearthstone has 4 more hours to fill a thread
>still failed
DEAD GAME

Xth for you people should stream your terrible arena runs I'd watch and laugh at you and yell at you to help you improve

>200 points to get to A3
>keep losing

REEEE, it always happens

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feel so good smite elfs

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I want to ding dong ding dong!

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Xth for look at this sheep.

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So what the FUCK is Cygames doing? dont these incompetent Japs update their fucking game??

Because when the fuck is Vengeance getting a buff? or at least a fucking rework?

Xth for if you can't consistently get 3-2 MINIMUM in Arena you should just fucking quit because this game isn't for you.

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Oh no he didn't draw his other ones too bad.

get fucked

>>160301691
>you have to be good to have fun.
Ohok

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>>160301651
Wait till the next expac you silly billy, DE hasn't even been out that long.

>>160301636
STOoOOOOP BUAHHHH AHHHHH

>>160301691
Fuck Fairies and Knife ears

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Play Shadowstone ;)

>>160301748
I can't imagine losing all the time to be fun.

>>160301629
I did it one time don't know if anyone would like to watch me.

It was really fun but the thread was bitching about the tripcode thing all day

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>>160301395

some faggot with a leonidas and a bannermeme spamming 1 cost 5/4 minions

this next one's going to be a win bros I can feel it I CAN FEEL IT

>>160301785
>dat face
Blizz lmao

>>160301631
>100 away from A3
>suddenly a 13 game losing streak out of fucking nowhere
>back to 400 away from A3
I should just shoot myself and end my suffering.

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Any anons here recently hit AA? How many games did it take? I'm wondering how long will be the grind since I think there's no winstreak bonus anymore.
Also, this took me around 210 games at 169 wins. I'm hoping I can get out of A with 50 matches or so. How delusional am I?

>tfw shitposted on the wrong general

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>>160301863

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>>160301790
Arena isn't about winning
It's about making your opponent lose with style
This deck went 4-1 and was one turn away from 5-0

>>160301863
post 0/5

>>160301863
my first ever arena was 1-4
my second ever arena was 0-5

>>160301935

shut the fuck up I'll win this next one

this sword faggot seems to be having connection issues

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>>160301863
"I'm leaving!" *explodes*

>>160301863
You really need to show us your list

>>160301831
I'd watch anon what's your twitch so I can follow you

I'm tired of being an ass and playing Control sword.
I want to play good Forest deck now. Recommend me some good deck!

>>160301651
Bro too many patches spoils the meta. We're over a month in and things still haven't completely settled.

>have 25k vials
>none of the T1 decks interest me, probably because I don't want to be haven/forest cancer
>neither want to make a meme deck

What do? I already have banner, aggro bat and face dragon. Also have satan dragon and midrange for suffering.

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I DID IT FOR THE FIRST TIME!!!
I always do really shit in arena, I never look at the card lists or whatever, I just try to get a good curve with a balanced deck

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>>160301982
Quality shitpost, anon.

>>160301908
It took fucking forever because I stalled out RIGHT at the end of AA3. I kept getting really close to beginning trials then I'd go on a loss streak, then I'd win streak back up, and then I'd go back down. It was hell and it lasted for more than a week.

Is elana just fucking broken as fuck or what?
It can kill every other deck type.
Out-heal aggro, out value mid-range and burst down combo.

When I pay midrange dragon versus them and go first I want to just slit my wrists.

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>>160301975

well he reconnected but I don't know man he seems pretty bad

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>>160301896

I'll do it this time!

>>160301727
What legendaries do I need for Rogue's Creed aside of Tsubaki? Looks like a way I can play sword without feeling a horrible sense of shame.

>>160302138
Good job m8

>>160302067
Focus on getting 3 copies of multiple legendaries or something.

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>>160302138
chaos decklist pt. 1

>>160302213
>he seems pretty bad

Anon, you're 0-4 right now. Watch where you throw those stones.

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>>160302193
Don't say that. Im getting close

>>160302207
no you're just shit

>>160301863
>>160301948
I think I got 1-4 once.
If I ever get 0-5 I think I would just kill myself.

>>160302036
Look for Katari_n in the weekend the stream will be up

I can't really use the microphone my voice is weak because i'm weakmore than a month with flu

>>160301863
>Arthurian Light and Leonidas' Spear in Take 2
Infinite value dream win condition for slow build up, you can't do much about that short of befriend the shit out of the Maid first.

>>160302228
>13 game lose streak and only lose 300 points

What?

>>160302228
Good luck, hope you don't get shunted back into A2 just as you make it into A3.

>>160302213
>two five drops in hand
>floating a play point on turn 5

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>>160302279
chaos winner decklist pt. 2
I'm really glad I got the 1 pack + 280 gold because I was just thinking about buying mordecai

>>160302240
tahnks!!

>>160302320
Damn anon, go see a doctor

SPITROASTED BY LUNA AND VANIA!
Forte can join too

>>160301929
>thinks that combo is styling on the opponent
come back when you win with seraph

>>160302207
>Burst down combo
Elana loses HARD to combo. It just gets completely fucked.
>Out-heal aggro
Elana loses to Banner Sword and isn't that favored against bats.
>Out value midrange
This one is true.
You're also forgetting how it loses hard to control as well, except Control Shadow. Because fuck Luna.

>>160302237
m8 Ambush sword is in the meme phase just like banner sword was everyone is lapidating the deck until everyone start netdecking

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>>160302326
I got memed on hardcore by it today.

Admittedly it was my own fault for using DoD on Leonidas but it dropped him to 1 and I did NOT see the Arthurian coming since he dropped it after the Resolve came down.

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>>160302213

WOWWWWWWWWWW the rousing step out of fucking nowhere gg lads yet another super exciting 0-5

>>160302237
The uninstall wizard. Only reason that worked was because it was arena.

>>160302586
POST LIST

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>>160302586
lmao

>>160302586
>didn't clear
>still has evolves left

>>160302586
Swordcraft take two is easy mode you never stood a chance.

>>160302586
Damn anon I have never gone 0-5
how does it feel

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>>160302586
Jesus

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>>160302685

yeah let's clear the two ambush minions XDXDXDXDX

>>160302586

well shit happens let's try ag-

>>160302476
Banner sword is the only aggro that can fuck it because it takes the board aggressively.
Other aggro gets fucked by it.

Combo can kill it but also can just fucking die when a elana or two go on the field an it's like playing versus turbo ramp. Plus they can tech in seraph into there and win on turn 9 versus combo.

Same for control.

>>160302586
so how does the t2 matchmaking algorithm work?

do you get matched with people with the same amount of wins/losses as you or is it pure randomness?

>>160302781
go dragon

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>there are people in /svg/ right now that think forest is bad in T2

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>>160302193
Jesus Christ. I will foolishly hope I don't get a defeat streak.
>>160302303
Best of luck anon, may good curves and nice topdecks be with you.

>>160302781
Dragon is really good in arena.

>>160302781
>yeah let's clear the two ambush minions
As a bare minimum you should have cleared one of the other two.
You can't let the enemy have board control and expect not to get raped.
Would have saved your life and let you do a lethal next turn.
You are fucking stupid is what you are.

>>160302586
>losing to someone who drafted rousing step

I have no words anon. Only pity.

>>160302781
You can't lose with dragon, I got 5-0 with him this morning and I suck, just pick minions that can trade 1 for 2 and have scary late.

>>160301948
my first was 4-1 due to a disconnect/crash on my phone. my second was 5-0. bloodcraft both times, this game's arena is so much easier than hearthstone's. It is also MILES easier than Mtg drafts.

>>160302838
GANBARIZOI!!!

>>160301908
After around 480 I recently hit AA but I'm really fuckin' bad and probably a bad example of how many wins you need.

Most of my loss streaks were around A2-A3 and I kind of cruised into AA on Storm Havencraft after using midrange swords to climb.

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>>160302809
>>160302870

ok let's go dragon even though I've never played it because what could be worse than that shitshow just now right?

>>160302781
pick dragon you noob.
You don't have the mental capacity to draft a proper forest deck.

And god help you if you pick rune

>>160302802
>Combo can kill it but also can just fucking die when a elana or two go on the field an it's like playing versus turbo ramp.
Not even fucking close.
The reason Elana is so awful against control/combo is because they're packing a ton of removal. They don't give two shits how big Elana's minions get because it doesn't matter at all, they'll die all the same. And the combo decks will usually win before the leana train really starts rolling anyway. The thing about Elana is it is just fucking awful against any deck that runs good board clears and hard removal.
And yes, Elana does tech in Seraph as a wincon against control. But Elana itself isn't even close to broken.

>>160302838
It's just fucking weird because all of the cards usually work together on more than one level that's hard to plan around in a draft. It also doesn't help that I rarely play them and just don't know what cards do.

The two times I've tried them in arena I've gone 3-2 but didn't really know what I was doing.

>>160302046
purgatory forest.

>>160302586
fuckin' called it >>160301975
>>160302781
now let's see you fail dragon

>>160301449

>Name
>(embed)(embed)(embed)

One job, anon. Slow down!

>>160302838
>Got 5-0 with forest today
Tia and Cynthia are already bad in constructed, in arena they're absolutely disgusting.

>>160303139
>implying the game will ever give me ancient elf or tia when I draft forest

>>160303139
I can physically feel my hope shrivel up and die when I see Cynthia drop in T2.

What if having a higher rank gave you better daily quests? Would that make ranked better?

>>160303034
Okay I'm playing in the B ranks right now so maybe it was just a shitty deck that got lucky but I've seen storm/elana and that shit can burst you down like fucking nothing.
Once the storm drops pop out they land a heal or two and go face and you're almost dead in one turn already.

>>160302586
So much for him being "pretty bad", huh? Dumbass.

>>160303017
Left, fuck Wyrm Spire.

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>>160303115

h-here I go

https://shadowverse-portal.com/deckbuilder/create/4?hash=2.4.61O4A.62sZ2.5_394.61NLI.5_2Q2.5_2Q2.62xS0.66giC.65CDA.5_2Qg.62sZM.62sZM.62saS.62sam.62sam.62u_I.62u_I.62u_c.61KvC.66j8S.66j8S.66j8m.66hRE.66gig.62xhA.61SDo.62saw.5_5bA.5_5bA.66lqK

>>160303139
>relying on legends in arena

I'm lucky to draft golds that don't suck half the time.
This is why sword is tier 1. You can win with just bronze/silver.

Just to rebuke that T2 statement a pro tweeted

>Sword > Forest > Blood > Rune > Others

That is his personal priority pick. It has nothing to do with tiers.

t. Shadowfag who got a couple of 5-0s

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>>160303214
Even better, I had 2 elven princess mages to go along with her.
You already feel filthy dropping Tia in Take Two, I honestly felt like a fucking degenerate doing it on turn 5. And then I followed with Cynthia.

>>160301651
Blood has been rising in popularity though. Midrange and Control Blood are seeing more play now.

Only idiots constantly balance something. That's why everyone hates NRS with how they handle Mortal Kombat with patches. You need to wait and let the meta develop, get stale, and then redevelop when everyone tries to be experimental. Only then can you actually see what needs tweaks.

In tournaments Blood has a good showing. Outside of the Haven matchup Shadow does really well right now too. Sword dominates ladder at literally every rank from Beginner through Master.

>>160303298
2 conflagrations is really janky when you have minions that can't be attacked and gabriel to use on them, I wouldn't recommend taking more than one

>>160303298
>that curve

I don't think I could get a worse curve if I tried.
Enjoy missing all your odd mana turns and dying in 7 turns.

>Soon arena is going to start giving DE packs for 15 days

I dunno if I should do arena anymore for the time being

>>160303359
I can understand why he'd choose like that.
Sword is stupidly consistent and Forest is actually good if you know what you're doing.
I've also found Rune to be good at dealing with Sword and Shadow which everyone loves to play thanks to the huge amount of removal you get.

0/4 Face dragon for 100 games
5/9 Storm haven for 100 games

>>160301908
It takes a really long time to hit AA. I've been doing the grind for awhile and have only been able to get to A1. Unless you're streamer tier and just sit and play for eight hours a day, expect it to take weeks.

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>>160303359
>Sword>Dragon>Blood>Forest>Shadow>Rune>Haven

>>160303565
What's so bad about DE packs?

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Would appreciate a concede, lads

90702

>>160303463
thats good to hear since i feel that being forced to be at 10 health or less is suicide because of all these decks that can easily kill you with storm like Swordcraft or storm haven makes me annoyed

but heres hoping anon that they fix it since I really enjoy Blood but the mechanic is so much weaker than the other mechanics

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>>160303482

too late for that fag we're shitting on this luna with an unattackable buffed dragon

>>160303501

eat shit

>>160303349
You don't need Tia or Elf to have a good arena deck, though

Cynthia alone will get you 4 wins and Master of the Canopies is insanely underrated. A lot of the "follower can't attack" mechanics are really hard to play around in arena, too

>>160303659
As far as preferences I just go dragon>sword>shadow>everything else I'm too terrible to build a deck with.

>>160303767
Yes and conflagration was a dead card the entire match because you wouldn't want to use it to kill your own dragon
Who would have predicted it

>>160303710
Thank you

>>160303738
They just need more powerful tools for when Vengeance goes off. Obviously Control's not going to be so hot when the wards available to them to stop them from dying once they hit 10 includes stuff like Queen Vampire who's great until it gets barraged to death and Soul Dealer which is fucking Soul Dealer, for example.

>>160303897
Let him have this, even if he's getting a bit insufferable.

>>160303940
Nakanaka yaru na

I really don't like the evolve mechanic.

>>160303738
You're looking at it wrong. Mechanics don't need to be balanced with each other. All that matters is how the class performs.

Vengeance exists not so you do huge swings when you have low health, but to help compensate the fact that many of your best cards deal self damage. Blood usually wants to finish before it ever really cares, but Midrange and Control get access to undercost removal when at low health, which is often more than enough to close out a match.

Diabolic Dragin for 1 pp and Revelation for 4 pp are incredible. Righteous Devil is a really powerful follower. Yeah the bulk of the Vengeance cards are mediocre or bad, but that can be said for the bulk of every class' cards.

>>160303573

>Rune
>huge amount of amount

But that ain't true especially when you cannot get spellboost going.

>>160303738
It's true that vengeance overall is shit but the good Blood decks don't use it too much; Control Blood uses it the most but it doesn't rely on staying at 10 health, just dipping there occasionally.
They just need to print better vengeance cards. Right now there's only Revelation, Diabolic Drain, and Righteous Devil really.

>heal for 0
>Elena still procs

Explain why this was a good idea

>>160304057
Compared to the other classes you'll definitely have more chances to get removal. They will be less powerful without spell boost, but that also depends what you grab.

Witchbolt, those two earth amulets that do 2 damage or banish with 2, the giant earth removal spell, and petrification are already five useful removal spells that can be drafted and do not require spellboosts.

>>160304082
Cursebrand too, kinda, except you never want to see her outside of your opening hand.

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>>160302515
Yeah, even without the Arthurian Light his spear means you'll never win board back and probably die in 2-3 turns on its own. Your options are bad when he drops, control him with a cheap ward or try to ignore him and kill them faster.

>>160302838
They just want to bully the elf, it's a sign of affection. Drawing good value removal and control cards with her is great.

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So how viable would a face dragon deck consisting of nothing but 1-3 cost cards plus 3 flutes be for fucking around in unranked?

>finally finish control sword after a month
>instantly get the urge to make another expensive deck and start the process all over
what is wrong with me

>>160304293
You'd have problems keeping your hand full to meme on them with infinite Hellflames.

>>160304082
This argument can be used for most class mechanics though and it really isn't important nor does it need for them to add more cards to utilize the mechanics.

How many AMAZING "do X after you've played 2 cards" cards does Forest have? Outside of Banner, the Commander mechanic for Sword is almost exclusively used for cycling and Ruthless Assassin. The strongest Shadow decks barely utilize Shadows outside of for specific cards like the one that summons a bunch of ghosts or the mass removal.

It's just how card games are. You should really go look through every class again. It's amazing how many bad amulets Haven has, how many useless "do X if you have a commander in play" cards Sword has, etc...

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> try hard as fuck
> lose 0-5
> don't even try
> win

well shit

downside is this whole thing became unfunny when I started winning so I'll stop posting

>>160304293

If you have 3 flutes then do it, just remember it needs overflow and most games are fast in this meta

>>160304194

I think I have done two Rune runs, and I wasn't been thrown any of those. That's why drafting as rune is a murder.

>>160303659
Heaven is super good and easy to draft.
Just curve out properly and grab enough amulets.
In order from best to worst
Beastcall > Birdsong > Godsteel > Featherwyrm > Fox > Beastly> Dual Flames > Holy Sentinel

Do not get pegasus, hare, noble fangs, devourer, or pinion if you can help it.
A few out of the removal amulets and card draw are nice too.

Just try to draft all the amulet reduction followers/spells alongside 8-10 amulets and a proper curve.

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Is this a good roll? What can I build? Vania and garuda are animated.

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AHH I'M CUMMING OTOHIME SAMA AHH AHH TAKE IT YOU MIDGET TAKE IT

>>160304415
In all the images of games you posted as shadow there were missplays, if that's you trying super hard I don't know what to tell you anon

>>160304057
Spellboost gets a bad rap in t2 but it's honestly not that bad. Cards like Wind Blast, Fate's Hand, Snowmen, Lightning Shooter, and even Mythril Golem don't need too many tics to become decent and Rune has enough good spells that it's really trivial. People are just too hung up on the big spellboost sinks like Fiery Embrace, Rune Blade, and Flame Destroyer, which are generally underwhelming.
And there's plenty of non-spellboost removal. You have Witchbolt, Petrification, Price of Magic, Red Hot Ritual, First Curse, Alchemical Lore, Calamitous Curse, Shadow Witch, Flame Witch, Demonflame Mage, Spurned Witch, Erasmus, Winter's Caprice, and probably more I'm forgetting. That's a big spread across all rarity levels, meaning Rune has a ton of chances to get removal. And that's not even including the neutral removal spells.
One time I drafted a Rune deck with 5 board clears. Turns out 5 is a BIT too many.

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>>160304472
It is a massive assumption that you will even see 8-10 amulets out of 30 cards.

>>160304461
Well yeah the reason why those classes are considered bad in Arena isn't because they have no good cards, but because they have inconsistent drafts.

I've went 5-0 with Rune before. You can draft incredibly powerful Rune decks in Arena, but for every time you do you'll also have a time where you get a bunch of Earth Sigils, but little to no activators. Or you get a bunch of spellboost cards but no real cycle so they just sit in your hand.

Generally speaking I either go full on with Earth synergy or go for no synergy at all. I've never had good success with spellboost drafts, but I've lost to people who went heavy on it and played that character that gains stats for every spellboost. Outside of constructed, if you can put her down with 10+ stats there's no way to deal with her.

>DE packs for T2

Come on, guys. Get on playing to stock up on those arias and garudas for the inevitable nerf

inb4 they are balanced they are not, hagfag

>>160304693
Who in their right mind would argue Aria is balanced

>>160304537
Midrange sword.
If you liquefy a bunch of stuff to get Alexander and Aurelia

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>playing shadow vs rune
>gets mordecai, playful necromancer and a zombie on board
>atacks with morde and enemy is at 5 HP
>"easy game"
>he plays the snowman spell and summons 3 snowmen, while having a clay golem and a lighting shooter (3/3) on the field
>he uses a bunch of "damage an enemy" cards from his hand then attacks with both the golem and shooter
>then he plays d-shift
>plays the same spells again, attacks with all snowmen and the other followers
>i'm at 1 hp
>he surrenders

butthole clenched

https://a.pomf.cat/vkatan.mp4
RINGON RINGON

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>>160304537
One olivia is a staple in any deck.
Bloody Mary is a great meme card for bloodcraft, and can also end games very suddenly if you set her up correctly.

>>160304594
DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW

On a related note I'm so close to having a strong Midrange and Control Sword lineup, but all I'm missing is Otohime. It sucks because this means I'm 10,000 vials too short for my deck. Having three of a legendary in a deck is nice for consistency, but it really sucks when you have little resources like me.

Midrange and Control just feel so clunky without her though. Her ability to punish your opponent anytime they don't have a strong board is amazing.

>>160304693
I'm not playing Arena until this stupid promo is over. If I wanted DE packs I'd go buy them.

>>160304472
You don't need a amulets to do well with Haven. Their followers aren't that bad on their own, and they have some big late game monsters that can really clean up shop. And every Cudgel and Themis' you pick up just makes your Haven deck that much better.

>>160304594
>try to cum on otohime-sama's feet
>it just floats around
Why even live underwater

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>You're looking at it wrong. Mechanics don't need to be balanced with each other. All that matters is how the class performs.

You may be right since whenever I make a deck for example (Bloodcraft) all I want to do is use the class cards that have Vengeance on them and just fill the deck with that which I guess is a really bad idea from what I'm starting to understand.

>>160304664
I've been drafting heaven almost every time it' come up and I rarely see less than 7.

>>160304834

I have quite enough from standard packs myself, so DE is most welcome. Besides, we still get standard packs from dailies.

>>160304954
DE value is pure shit compared to Standard because of how many Legendaries there are in Standard compared to DE. Not even mentioning how the bulk of good cards from Standard.

>>160304736
>7 mana worth of shit for 2 mana

Only braindead havenfags

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>>160304605

yeah I spent over 30 minutes using the cheatsheet while drawing and shit

but now I lost to a fucking faggot sword spamming wards since turn 2 so whatever

>>160304924
It is, but that is in part due to the way they explain the mechanics and also just human instinct. You want to see what makes the class unique and try to emphasize that as much as possible.

Is Leonidas a good idea for a midrange sword or is he pretty much just control?

>>160305062
>Trinity dragons with gabriel
You deserve to lose, that shit is obnoxious.

>>160305061
It's balanced because you have to wait 3 turns and it doesn't affect the board immediately :^)

Aria is stupid and building Haven myself really showed me how stupid.

>>160305151
good as a midrange finisher

>>160305042

Think in a wider scope, dude.

A smaller card pool means more dupes, and more dupes means you get to accumulate more vials.

As I said, I can't to get more aria and them dust them off for full value each.

>>160305151
You can run one of him or frontline guard if you're not running a lot of high end as Otohime, Sage Commander and Saber take up the majority of the decks power plays. Gabriel is good too but you don't need any of them.

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>tfw elanafags ragequit
Is there no greater feeling?

>>160304865
Themis is only good is you have a bunch of amulets.
Haven doesn't have the power of dragon or synergy of sword in just followers. Most of their strongest followers are strong because they reduce countdowns.
Death sentence + countdown reduction in particular can win you the game outright late game.

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>>160304927
There are 79 cards in Haven, and 20 of them are amulets. Not even including that they put in neutral cards into the picks, the chance of you getting no less then 7 amulets every single time. It just isn't true. Pretty much I want you to run 5 T2 with Haven and post your deck for every run.

>>160305061
>ignoring that it takes three turns or combo cards to trigger it earlier
>ignoring that it literally does nothing for you the turn it is played unless you combo it with Garuda

Against an aggressive deck throwing down an amulet on turn two or three gives your opponent more time to create a big board. It also is worth pointing out that many of Haven's most important cards share a cost with Aria, making them conflict with each other

>Unica to trade and put pressure on the board
>Snake Priestess to deal with aggro
>Scripture to remove
>Manyu to go aggressive
>The dog if you have nothing else to play

There's probably other cards too, but the point is that when you put down an amulet (unlike with Rune) you don't get a follower or removal at the same time.

Aria is an extremely strong card, but this game and HS are madeup of extremely strong cards. You put extremely strong cards in your deck and try to not include mediocre ones. Before Aria, there were almost no playable amulets. Aria justifies many of the amulet synergy cards and therefore has justified including all sorts of amulets now.

It's also thanks to Aria in part that Haven can do so many things now. It used to be such a shitty class.

>>160304924
You don't want to build a deck entirely around vengeance. It's better for side shit and mindgames like causing them to eat a board wipe with butcher if they get overly eager with fairy/snowman/bat aggro, or Revelation if they have stronger shit and you're in a pinch.

>>160305332
it feels better when you run down the clock each turn until they lose

>>160305350

>getting no less than 7 amulets

That's a lie. Last time I tried haven after getting a 5-0, I got all the cooldown-reduction cards and only two amulets were thrown at my face.

>>160305197
Wait 3 turns?
You mean wait one turn and play dogma.
Now it's 7 mana worth of shit for 4 mana.

Balanced.

>>160305243
I mean, I already got two Otohimes, two Tsubakis and two Sabers, so he seems like a moot point

>>160305454
>stalling every turn to spite random strangers on the internet in an anime card game

Reevaluate your life

>>160305339
Themis into Skullfane is an instant concede in Arena.

>>160304776
Playing against Rune is the most asshole-clenching thing in this entire game I swear.

>>160305435

Aria is only "balanced" if there isn't any cooldown-reduction cards. Games of Pinion into Aria into Dogma (An another pinion) is too common for me not to get a headache from it.

>finish my arena run
>2 DE packs
the fuck man, did it just switch?

>>160305339
>Themis is only good is you have a bunch of amulets.
Not even close man. Board wipes are always premium stuff, especially one as good as Themis'. It's absolutely insane with amulets, but it's fucking fantastic without them. Being able to reset the board state when you're getting overwhelmed is really powerful in limited, especially if your opponent's running low on cards.
And you don't need powerful synergy to win in take two. You just need a good curve and strong followers. Haven's hexproof cards, healing cards like white knight, and late game fatties like masked giant are all very strong, and their defensive minions like Cleric and Temple Defender are excellent in a world where hard removal is less common. I've done very well with Haven without getting any good amulets before.

>>160305542
only when it's elana haven, my dude

Are animations indicative of rarity or is it up to border color? I'm confused

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Can someone help a guy out with a concede?
93491

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>>160305332
>Snatching victory away from someone right when they were positive they won and started emoting

>>160305332
>play Dshift
>queue into an elanafag
>thisisgoingtobegud.tiff
>he plays elana
>he plays another elana
>he plays birdsong + aria
>cant remove shit
>turn they pop he plays heal shit
>kills me in massive storm orgy with birdman

heavenfags can go fucking die

>>160305638

An hour ago, friend.

>>160305538
get a third Otohime

>>160305702
thank you

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>>160305350
Im going to draft heaven right now and post results.

So only one data point but that's all I got for you.

Is the event where you get darkness packs from arena out yet?

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How would you make this card good and un-viable?

>keep drawback, but treat all other monsters you play as if vengeance was active
>give bloodcraft units traits
>vengeance active: each time a beast-unit bat is destroyed, increase this card by +1/0

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>beat bloodbat with rune

>take2
>dark evolved card pack
So the event is already up?

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I think Haven is fine as-is and rather than nerfing them the other classes should be brought up to their level.
They can kill that stupid fucking bird though.

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>>160305350
>>160306010
Only 6, which I think is the lowest I remember.
But they are all good and an okay number of synergy.

Ill see how it does.

>>160306209
no

is take 2 currently bugged? got 3 free wins from disconnect

>>160305639
It depends on who has the better late game.
If he's running out of steam it's great.
But if not you wipe your own board and use up a turn and he can fill it right back up.

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After playing 10 hours straight, I did it. One more rank to go until big leagues.

>>160305627
Aria is strong enough that every Haven deck should run three of them. This and Hearthstone are full of cards like that. Do I wish that wasn't the case? Yeah, but that would also mean they have to nerf cards in every single class because they all have cards like that.

Pinion into Aria into Dogma does suck, but so does Sword doing any 1 mana into any 2 mana into any 3 mana into Floral Fencer.

So does Forest swarming the board and then Ancient Elf on turn 3 followed by the turn 4 0 mana fairy creator and then Tia.

So does Blood doing the 1 damage to both on turn 1, the wolf on turn 2, soul devil on turn 3, and then Vania plus Summon Bloodkins on Turn 4.

I could go on and on.

>>160306078
I don't think there is a way to make Beast Dominator or Soul Dealer viable without creating a card as ridiculous as Shaman's 4 mana 7/7.

It would be even harder in this game because nearly every single deck runs Execute or Dance of Death, plus the evolve mechanic. You'd need to create a card so strong it can be dropped on turn 3 or 4 and not be defeated by Dragon Warrior and all the other turn 4 evolves, meaning it would need to have 8 health.

And even then once again it just loses to Dance of Death for free. It would have to be absolutely insane such as

>4 mana 4/8 cannot be targeted by spells

Speaking of which I hate how this game forces the effects and spells as one thing. Some cards should be targetable by spells and others effects and others neither spells nor effects. It would make more cards interesting and also make it possible to deal with some cards.

>>160306365
Number ranks don't mean much since there's nothing stopping you from falling right back down again.

>>160306365
>inb4 GRANDMAAAA GRAB THE KINETOPHONE

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Which is the most mindless deck to get high ranks easy?

>>160306365
>going over A
AA and Master are top decks only, where is the fun if you know many classes won't even be used

>>160306209
That's how any intelligent person should feel. Other classes could use some more good cards. Haven is fine as it is.

Hell I think this game is well balanced as it is. People love to whine about any meta no matter what, but every class sees play right now and no one is Priest tier. People will say Dragon or Shadow suck, but both get plenty of wins. They just aren't used as much.

>>160306484
banner meme you dont really need to think much. just dont play banner on an empty board.

>>160306484
Face Dragon

>>160306324
But in the situation where you would use a board wipe anyway it doesn't matter, because if you don't wipe the board you're probably going to lose anyway. And obviously you'd never play it while ahead.
Yes, he can fill up after since you lose the tempo, but if you were desperate enough to kill everything then you probably weren't winning if things continued as they were. At worst it doesn't change much, but it often gives you a chance to come back, and at best it puts you in the lead. Board wipes are always a good pick-up because they can save you from situations no other card would. Especially Themis' because it straight-up kills shit dead and if you play that in the late stages of the game you can often play a minion afterwards. Do not underestimate board clears in arena, they are some of the most valuable cards out there.
Unless you're aggro.

>>160306209
No

this game is unbalanced as fuck

>Elana haven
>literally drop elana and keep dumping shit on the board that also heals
>Thats the entire game
>Save a seraph just in case

>storm haven
>Dump shit with charge and win
>you can deal 12 fucking damage with garudasses alone

>Seraph haven
>Drump taunts up until you get your seraph and win next turn

Literally 0 decision in any of this shit beyond when to drop themis .


>Shadow

>Literally use phantom and cerberus
>Literally nothing else matters
>O wait
>The auto win 3x taunt card

>Vamp
>Drop bats and hit face until you die or your opponent dies
>0 decision making involved

and its the same shit for all the classes

some cards are stupidly good and they are the onle ones that matter usually gold or legens the rest of the cards mean jack shit to the game

3 expansions from now all decks are going to be composed exclusively by 3xlegens and 3xgolds since all the rest f the cards are worthless

Instead of designing the card and let the meta create itself they design the entire expansion around specific cards

this has to end

>>160306494
Have you ever actually made it far enough to tell? Or at least watched others stream.

I've watched people try to climb through AA and Master a lot and they see Shadow and Dragon enough that it loses its novelty. You'll see every class in AA and Master. Of course, you'll see Sword Haven and Forest more than others.

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Help.

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how do I beat this? is blood supposed to be a good matchup?

>>160301636
New commercial for Shadowverse

https://a.pomf.cat/vkatan.mp4

>>160306632
I'm on AA, so yes. Of course you still see them but the rate of seeing Shadow/Dragon against Haven/Forest is ridiculous low

>>160306708
left

>>160306484
Sword of any kind. You never have to deviate from just playing whatever is in your hand until you're out of PP for the turn. You always go face or trade if it is against aggro because you'll always outvalue them.

>>160306708
Left

>>160306484
Face dragon or storm birbs

>>160306708
Left.

>>160306708
>two of the best cards Shadow has in Arena or memes

Go with memes.

>>160301546
Ok but what does putting a pantsu on your head accomplish

>>160306817
Stylish hat

>>160306516
>>160306209
>wanting an endless powercreep instead of bringing down outliers
This is the cancer that has ruined many card games before.

>>160306494
I see every class in AA.
DShift and sometimes even Earth Rite for Rune, Elana, Sprint, and Seraph for Haven, Control, Midrange, and Banner for Sword, Bats and Control for Blood, Aggro and Control for Shadow, Face for Dragon, and PtP and Tempo for Forest.
Sometimes people throw out weird brews too, but it's not too common. I imagine in Master people play weird ass decks all the time since it doesn't matter anymore.

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>>160305542
He's living his life correctly.

>>160306708
Mord and LotF can both win games by themselves, neither of the right cards can do that

>>160306737
>>160306767
>>160306772
Was it obvious? I really suck with Shadowcraft.

>>160306615
Im not saying I would not draft it.
I'm saying it doesn't always work unless you have amulets. So it's much better with them.

>>160306771
Storm haven is a delicate and strategic deck, that takes a lot of strategy/decision making.

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>>160306817
It is the pantsu of her love to show that she is bian.

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>>160306712

>>160306621
That doesn't mean the game is unbalanced. It just means the game doesn't have enough really strong cards, and that's because there are literally only two packs in the game.

Also welcome to zero interaction games. This might not be the card game for you if that kind of stuff bothers you.

>>160306846
Is it really an outlier though?
Sword, Forest, and Haven are all at around the same power level and win percentages.

>>160306885
A bit obvious yeah. Mordecai is infinite value unless they gets banished which is rare and LotF is extremely good value.

>>160306712
tech in more barrages kiddo

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I LOVE when I believe in the heart of the cards and they save me from losing

>>160306712
No. Blood is not one of your good matchups.

>>160306417

>Pinion > Aria > Dogma
>4 (3) 8 (4). That's 12 damage in total on turn 4

>fairy > fairyx2 > ancient
>1 (2) 3 (3) 5 (4) That's 9 damage in total on turn 4

>wraith > wolf > soul devil
>1 (1) 3 (2) 3 (3) 6 (4) That's 13 damage in total on turn 4, including 3 damage to self

The problem here is that haven can just go smOrc and leave the priest to clean up the board for the storm followers. Other classes rarely have the removals to deal with the amulet followers since they will still get a hit through first before they can do anything about it.

>>160306885
mordecai can often once played, just stay in play until the match ends because banish is rare in arena and Lord of flies is all around really good

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>>160306947

>>160306708
left

>>160306078
I honestly think Beast Dominator could become viable unchanged if we just entered a meta where combo kills weren't so prominent.

>>160306802
Mordecai is a meme.

>>160306712
If by good you mean "literally the worst possible matchup" then yes, it's a good matchup.

>>160307076
That is almost certainly never going to happen and wouldn't fix the problem of the card becoming useless after 2-3 turns

>>160306417
>I don't think there is a way to make Beast Dominator or Soul Dealer viable without creating a card as ridiculous as Shaman's 4 mana 7/7.
Beast Dominator is almost viable as is. People heavily underrate here. It's really more a meta issue than a card issue.

>>160306991
If you look at the numbers for the class as a whole, yes Haven is fine. Storm Haven is fine. Elana Haven is fine.

http://shadowlog.com/trend/2016/45/0/77

This, however, is not fine.

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>>160306991
>Sword, Forest, and Haven are all at around the same power level and win percentages.

Nigga what? How deep in your ass did you pull that from?

>>160306984
IIT DOES mean its unbalanced

Theres no decision making involved it comes down to who threw the best shit and got to play it first.

All the games are 100% the exact same

Theres too much of a gap between those 3-5 key carsd per class and everything else

>>160306846
Three out of seven classes are T1 without argue. Blood is often seen as T1 right now too along with Rune. That would be 5/7 out of the classes. Shadow has feast or famine matchups because it is a feast or famine class so it will be unreliable for ladder climbing, but strong in tournaments. Dragon underperforms, but it doesn't deserve any better.

And no it isn't endless powercreep. It's just a matter of adding more cards that do things. When they added Seraph, for example, that wasn't powercreep. That opened up a new way to play Haven and justified a number of cards that weren't strong before to now be useful.

Bloody Mary does the same thing. Control Blood isn't T1, but it's still good. How to make it better? Powercreep? No you can just add more cards that justify making a Control Blood deck, such as some decent low curve wards.

Also the meta will shift drastically every time they add a neutral removal spell or high profile follower. That doesn't require powercreep either. If they add a strong three or four mana ward neutral then that will likely change how matchups work. Also, if they add a more expensive board clear than barrage then that too will change things.

There's plenty that can be done over just printing the same card with better stats.

>>160306712
>is the most hilariously aggressive deck in the whole game a good matchup for my combo deck that needs time to get going
They don't even need a board to kill you because like half the deck is burn.

>>160307168
If Beast Dominator is around for 2-3 turns you've probably won the game already. She's a great evo target, 4/6 is still above curve and not being answered immediately opens up way too much incoming damage.

>>160307020
except for the bats everything there was played that turn. I was killing all his shit, but he hit me with 2 evolved wolves and an evolved imp lancer.

>>160307024
literally right after I posted this, I lost to the heart of the cards. the other guy fucking topdecked wards three turns in a row at 3 health until he could beat me

budget aggro blood list without fortress or vampys?

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>going to lose vs aggro bat
>he drops blood wolf
>the 2 damage to himself puts him in lethal for my last turn
>rage disconnect

>>160307445
Not going to be very strong without either

>>160307445
Not really doable unless you enjoy being gimped as shit. Vampy adds way too much damage if they leave her on the board for even a single turn and fortress lets you do dumb things with her and bats.

>>160307308
Look for yourself:
http://shadowlog.com/trend/
Haven, forest, and sword all have around a 51% winrate average, and their best decks are around 53%.
Except Seraph Haven holy fuck when did that happen

>>160307530
You'll be t1 after the next expansion, I have faith

>>160306209
I think there needs to be more amulet removal tbqh Seraph Elanas PtP all revolve around the cancer besides the answer of hurdur tech in Odin

>>160307426
Their board doesn't really matter to bats, all the important shit either has storm, does damage as fanfare or is vania/fort+bats synergy.

>>160307046
And yet Haven still loses and Forest still is the stronger class overall.

Also you have to keep in mind the gameplans here too. In the early game Haven can afford to setup amulets, but it can get trickier from there on.

Forest dealing nine damage on turn four is a big deal when they have access to roaches and PtP. Sword doing any damage to you in the first 4 turns is a HUGE deal because from there on they have

>3 3 mana 2/2 storm
>3 1 mana 1/1 storms
>3 6 mana 3/2 storms that summon a ward too

And if they have banner that adds 3 2 mana 2/1 storms. Many decks run 2-3 3 mana 1/1 storms with bane too.

And of course there's Dance of Death as well. The point is that you've only got 20 health so it's extremely painful to eat that damage especially when they can just evolve the damage.

Every class has some really strong stuff they can do early game. You also highly exaggerate the chances of getting Pinion and Aria and Dogma all on curve like that. It happens a lot, but it also fails to happen a lot too.

Those amulets can be dead draws later on as well, which is why Garuda can be very important.

>>160307548
It happened when people realized you could stick Elana in there with no real downside. That deck is honestly the only thing I consider unfair in this game. It literally has everything.

>>160307308
You'd be able to tell that was the truth even without the official statistics if you weren't a shitter.

>>160307769
Cry more.

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Is there a better feeling then when a seraph fag doesn't have countdowns
>inb4 mooooommm guy

>>160307076
>>160307231

Nah Dance of Death will always make her a bad card. And if the meta becomes slower, then Execute will always make her a bad card. And with a card like her you can always just evolve trade into her.

>>160307310
But that doesn't make the classes themselves unbalanced. It is expected that when there are hundreds of cards many of them won't see play, especially when there is zero player interaction on opponent's turns as that removes an entire aspect of card design and gameplay.

And yeah key cards are a thing because decks often build around those cards. Of course Vania is important when the generic aggro deck is heavy on bat synergy.

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>>160306078
>Want to say she's fun in my shitty control deck
>Draw the perfect "pretend you're batcraft" curve
>Set up Alucard storm lethal
O-okay.

I don't know, she spooks people into using removal on curve and can drop later alongside Crimson Purge or Savage Hunt while being a decent body. It's a bit sad she's basically just a vanilla minion but I guess the 'legendary effect' is in her cost.

Statline change and some actual interaction with beasts like Queen Vampire has with bats would be cool though, yes.

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>>160307836
>having objective knowledge of how the meta is functioning is crying

I don't even know what you're trying to imply with this post. Have a (You) anyway, I guess.

>>160307868
I don't see a Seraph player there. It's just Elana with tech cards. Also

>wow my opponent didn't have everything they needed to win!

Nice blog post.

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WHERE ARE MY FUCKING DANCES OF DEATH. THESE ANCIENT ELVES ARENT GONNA DIE ON THEIR OWN

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I want her to ding my dong

https://twitter.com/supercell68311/status/798628999018647552

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>>160307024
I LOVE when anons post pictures I don't have

>>160307998
This is how I feel, except with Angelic Barrage. For the few times the card is helpful, I never have it in hand. It doesn't help that you often need it on turn three or four and most decks just run two copies of it so your chances aren't great.

i need your help /vg/

So my friend started shadowverse, yet he has no tickets for normal and DE.

I saw him playing and he doesn't have any tickets, why that? I remember you get 10 for each pack.

>>160307875
>But that doesn't make the classes themselves unbalanced.
Except it fucking does. All games are decided by turn 8 or so and not because everything that was happened but because of the bullshit op cards.

Haven would be absolute shit without themis and garuda

Necro would be absolute shit without breath phantom and cerberus

>>160308065
ding dong is not for lewd anon

>>160307974
2/2 beast blood tokens one day.

>>160307668

>amulets being bad lategame

I never see that being a problem since they can usually follow up with a Garuda.

All to all, Havencraft at the moment is still too good.

Card draw? Check
Good followers? Check
Efficient removals? Check
Face heal? Check

So, at which rank would I finally earn the right to actually tell people off if they are good or bad? Or give advice

>>160308094
my fucking dick

thank you for giving me this artist

>>160308252
Top 100 Master

>>160308252
Whenever you develop the ability to critically think.

>managed to pull 3 bloody marys in my first 30 hours

what the hell. should I build a deck around these? I want to do damage myself as bloodcraft so it seems odd

>>160308252
Pretty sure A rank is the accepted rank

>>160308110
So we're supposed to hit each other with vanillas then? Because that's the only way for your "balance" to be a thing.

>>160308094
where's the version w/o the cards

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>>160308252
Once you reach this guys level.

>>160308393
No. The game is supposed to develop organically and all the cards should matter

This is how the game currently is

>dump filler cards
>evolve and stuff for tempo swing
>Start throwing the OP cards up until your opponent is fucked or you are

>>160308110
>Except it fucking does. All games are decided by turn 8 or so and not because everything that was happened but because of the bullshit op cards.
You sound like a shitter blaming x card for your loss when it was actually a lot of different things that happened throughout the game.
>Haven would be absolute shit without themis and garuda
Really, Garuda? Not Aria? Please anon, are you even trying?
Necro would be absolute shit without breath phantom and cerberus
Shadow isn't even that good.
But what's the argument here? That classes have key cards that make them strong? Welcome to fucking card games friend. What do you want, boring generic midrange games and nothing else? Go back to Hearthstone then.

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Which flair do you use?

>>160308287
too bad the guy cant draw tits for shit

>>160308110
You sound like you're really angry and I honestly don't understand why.

>all games are decided by turn eight

Well many of the decks people run are aggro or midrange so that goes without saying. Seraph, Control Sword, and Earth are usually looking to take it a little later than that.

>Haven would be shit without Themis

I don't get the argument. The game doesn't have infinite removal cards. Themis is the big removal card the deck has to offer at turn six, and making it that far is usually due to the many other cards it was running such as Cudgel, Scripture, Aria, Sacred Plea (to even draw the Themis in time), etc... Themis alone isn't winning the match. It required all the other cards they played to help.

Garuda wouldn't be amazing without strong storm synergy, which is why Seraph and Elana don't run him. You're looking at it the wrong way completely. It's like saying Elana Haven would be shit without Elana amulets.

Necromancer has a lot of great cards. I hate Cerberus and Phantom Howl too, but part of why that works is because they have a strong early game. Otherwise Cerberus is literally a Turn 5 Do Nothing.

>>160308207
What does "too good" mean when Forest is better than it flat out, and Sword is basically just as strong and has just as many viable variants?

Are you guys all Sword players? I love how that class gets a free pass at all times for no reason.

>>160308398
I can't post that on a christian image board!

>>160308521
Ding dong emblem, sleeves and first after. Working on T2 ones since they are the best ones

What's the best Shadowverse deck atm?

>>160308593
imgur + link

>>160308521
Salty

Bets on next emblem and sleeves?

>>160308317
Throw her into an aggro deck. You can add three of her and three Dire Bonds and then the rest of the deck is inexpensive golds and silvers. The variant to Aggro Blood that has midrange cards is becoming more and more popular as it has way better cycle and outs.

Craft three Vanias and you're on your way.

>>160308625
Shadowcraft*

Sorry.

>>160308559
>Are you guys all Sword players? I love how that class gets a free pass at all times for no reason.
I love this too. Sword has been a top class for ages and yet no one ever rails against Sword. Midrange Sword is fucking bullshit OP and has winrates comparable to Tempo Forest and every Haven deck but you don't hear anyone talking about it. And before DE it was arguably better than PtP but nope, everyone jsut complained about PtP instead and whenever you brought up Swordcraft being OP you had thousands of angry Erika defenders on you immediately. What's up with that?

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>>160306223
It went okay

Lost a heaven mirror

>>160308760
Sword isn't nearly as annoying to play against so people think it's fine

>>160308485
>dump filler cards
And here we have the classic case of focusing on a specific card for why you lost rather than looking at the game as a whole.

>>160308485
>implying all "OP" cards come after the evolve turn
>filler cards
>all cards should matter

Also what are you even trying to say. What does an Organic Development look like. You sound completely ignorant to how games like this actually work.

Where is there a card game where every single card is good? Even if such a game existed, it would just develop like all competitive games do. That is to say, people will only use the REALLY good cards and that creates an artificial gap between the really good cards and the good cards.

It's like how even in a well balanced fighting game everyone flocks to the top tiers anyway. Or how in a MOBA there can be 100 viable characters that are all strong, but tournaments will still mostly be composed of the guys that are statistically a little stronger.

>>160308521
plz hlp

>>160308559
Sword has no bullshit tricks to fuck you with, everything they do comes in form of followers you can see, no random out of nowhere Forte headbutts, no Cerb>Howl, no Seraph>3 CD reducers, no PtP, no DShift, no random fucking burn the way bats and Garuda do it, just pure follower spam.

>>160308628
lewds http://imgur.com/a/tVEhD

>>160308252
Master and you must have been playing card games for at least 14 years

>>160308485
>Dump filler cards
>When Haven's momentum is set on turns 1-3
>When Half of the meta is aggro where turns 1-3 usually determines the game outcome
>When DS rune is all but fucked if they can't spellboost sufficiently in the first 3 turns
But I get it, (you)

>>160308940
>No bullshit tricks
Instead they have absolutely bullshit value and only lose to decks with hard board clears or decks with even more value.
AKA Seraph Haven and Control Sword.

>>160308625
Midrange or Aggro. They all look the same to be honest.

The key is that you have three Cerberus and three Howl. How aggressive you want the rest of the deck to be is up to you. I also think the 1/4 3 mana ward is a key card for Shadow in this meta too. I like the card that sacrifices a follower to draw as well.

You're usually looking to win around turn six or seven by using Cerberus cards alongside the Phantom Howl followers. It's a lot of face damage in a short period of time.

>>160309048
But it's hard to get mad at value

>>160308942
Luna has very cute boobs.

>>160309047
This is what happens
>Dump filler cards
>Go face
>Everything keeps getting cleared back n forward
>reach high orb turn
>Drump i win card
>opponent doesnt or is worse
>win

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so this....is the power... of the dragons..... woah

https://shadowverse-portal.com/deckbuilder/create/4?hash=2.4.5_2Q2.62sac.62xRY.66giC.66giC.66giW.66giW.66jtU.5_2Qg.5_2Qg.62sZM.62u_I.66gi2.66lqU.61LeE.5_2QM.5_4sI.66j8m.66j8m.62tIE.659nE.6592C.659nO.62v0i.66gig.5_5bA.5_5bA.65GMy.62saI.65GMo

Pray for my DE pack Svg! Finally got to 10k points after procrastinating getting into AA

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>>160308521
Deviant Heart

>>160308825
>endless cycle
>hand always has cards
>always can play followers with storm
>if even a single follower lives the next turn they just buff them

I'd rather play against Haven or Forest any day because at least it feels like we're playing the same game. People call Rune "solitaire" but I see far less interaction when I'm playing against Sword.

>they play storm followers, evolve them, and go face
>I spend my turn removing them and trying to develop the board
>rinse and repeat

It's like I'm not even there. Otohime is still easily one of the absolute most overpowered cards in the game too.

>>160309139
>He unironically picked dragon

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>>160308825

>elana is better banner for one less mana
Why is this allowed?

>>160309096
It really isn't when your opponent drops Otohime after you've spent the entire game trying to control their already stupid amounts of followers with garbage like Floral Fencer. Fuck that shit.
Sword is just as bullshit as the other top classes. Always has been, always will.

>>160309139
>0 wins
>with Olivia and Odin
you were you just passing every turn?

>>160309294
Bullshit classes: everything except for shadow: the honest, blue-collar, earn-your-own living class

>>160308521
Cool and Casual

>>160309251
I'd take her over that priest fucker any day of the week.
If I hear him talk shit about my weakness one more time I'm going to murder someone.

Queuing up into haven as midrange dragon is slight more painful than getting a root canal with no antithetic.

How fucking bad do you have to be to go 0-5 not just once, not just twice, but twice in a fucking row after your second one had an Olivia? What is wrong with you?

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>>160309383
YOUR EVIL DEEDS END NOW