/hsg/ - Hearthstone General

hellfire is a bad card

>>160206221
Team we haven't seen any shaman cards yet

>>160206428
Fun, now if you ever see a 11 win warlock in arena you just know he'll have 3+ of these

>>160206542
It's good enough. If you could run any mid-board clear instead, maybe.

Cute cards WHERE!?

>>160206601
>9 damage to his own face

hmmmmm

>>160206428
They can't keep getting away with this

>>160206661
>Health mattering in Arena
>Thinking 3 copies = 3 copies played every game rather than the first copy showing up more consistently

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>>160206536
Maelstrom Portal kicked out a Trogg and I am a pillar of sin.

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Of the currently projected archetypes people will try to make work in December, which team are you, /hsg/?

>Team Priest Meta Dictators
>Team Kekful Murlocbois
>Team Lolcow Taunt Warrior
>Team Dank +1/+1 Tempo
>Team MakeHunterGreatAgain
>Team Kazakus Renocucks
>Team Discovermancy
>Team Kun's Forgotten Theorycraft-o-mancers
>Team Eboladin Classics
>Team Miracle de la Deck-Slot-For-A-Coin
>Team Sameish Piratical Antics
>Team Goya/Beardo/Shaku R' Viable's R' Us

>>160206763
You disgust me.

>>160206829
Kun will seriously make Miracle Druid viable

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Name ONE card

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>>160206763
Well, I won the 50/50 on his Tallstrider

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>>160206428
>"hey brode people arent really playing board clears in warlock, what do we do?"
>"lets just fucking print hellfire on a well-stated body! that'll do it!"
>"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"

they can't keep getting away with this

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>>160206763
>bullying a guy that drafted a gorilla.

you're scum

>play servant of yogg saron
>it casts brawl
>kills all my minion and leaves the enemy's only minion alive
I'M READY TO FUCKING KILL MYSELF

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>>160206829
This deck archetype has tier 4 written all over it, but what can I do.

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>>160206763
Imagine if it only cost (1) and gave you Overload.

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>>160206836
>>160206909
I disgust me too, anon.

This guy never had a fucking prayer and I had very little to do with it other than playing to my hand.

>>160206970

Well, thats what you get for playing the random minion that random a random spell that randoms

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>>160206974
Damn, I knew there was something wrong with this card, just couldn't quite put my finger on it!

You're hired.

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>>160206974
>>160206967
I am literally human garbage.
Not shown is Argent Squire and Lightning Bolt

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Would this make Control discolock a possibility?

Is there a Druid deck besides Malygos that works if you seem to be stuck?

The frustrating thing for me right now is I keep playing decks that have so many 8/8's and whatnot and its such a pain to get all of my finisher cards and keep the board from getting too crazy.

I am trying the Yogg-free Maly from Tempostorm atm

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>>160207216
I'm also retarded.

Wrong fucking Screen.

Again, not shown are Lightning Bolt and Argent Squire.

>>160207314
Just what warlock needed, starting the game with one fewer card.

>>160207080
i was 2 dmg off lethal vs cthun warrior so i had no other choice as he was going to get 20 armor next turn

>>160207325
Aggressive Beast Druid is pretty good. Anything slower than that isn't worth it without the Arcane Giant package.

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>>160207314
>Discarded by random effects.

What did he mean by this?

>>160207314
It wins every fatigue match, so for that alone it might see play.

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>>160207325
Token druid. No giants, as many good token generators you can fit, a single copy of Soul of the Forest and Savage roar.

Shaman is the biggest problem, but as long as you get a good ramp going, you can shit up the board faster than they drop aoe spells out of their overloaded ass.

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>>160207314
So is it always on top, because if it were then I would assume it'd be drawn automatically, being the leftmost card, and then being discarded immediately. That just means it would immediately occur once, and then be done with.

This would honestly be better on a body.

Can you run Arcane Giant in tempo mage? I'm new and don't have all those shiny legendaries

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>>160207314

>>160207904
yes

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mage op my ass

>>160207909
Every single time I try to make an interesting Hunter deck, even in Wild. Hunter draw tech when?

>>160207904
>arcane giant in tempo
no
>all those legendaries
you mean thalnos and maybe rag? I wouldnt play rag.

>>160207638
>>160207672
I tried my best to make this legible but I'm a mongoloid, playing the card places it on top of the deck, but passively while it's in your hand the card next to it will be discarded by things like soulfire. Hope this cleared things up

>>160208063
>I wouldnt play rag.

Well then you're wrong

>>160208007
You are very bad at hearthstone

>>160208098
hit legend with 70% winrate vs shaman without him. I just play more shammy than druid or control warrior (which sucks anyways)

>>160208007

>That deck
>1-3

WUT

>>160208063
the lists I've seen run rag and thaussian

>>160208183
Your winrate would probably have been higher with him. I'm very serious.

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>>160208007
looks like somebody didn't want to cast a spell

>>160208007
>Effigy
>Kirin Tor Mage
>Illusionists
>4 Flamecannons

Probably bad drafts.
Also, what were the alternative Legendaries next to Kel'Thuzad?

>>160208238
LOL that's fucking adorable.

>>160208204
Yea there are lots of different builds, a lot only play thalnos and have just drakes/portals as "late" game. I think my friend is around top 10 legend with the latter.

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>>160208007
Your spells sucked, and your deck is too front-loaded on mana, which Kel'Thuzad doesn't lend much support to.

>>160208418
ah nice, I'll try my luck with portals then, thanks

>firelands portal on my emperor
>gets leeroy
fucking cancerous piece of shit

God BRM was such a fucking awful expansion, gameplay wise.

>>160208828
>gameplay wise
lul

>>160208828

Yeah, I can't imagine Team 5 could put something out worse than that, oh wait

>>160208878
Garr is easily the worst fight designed in all expansions.

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>all these overstatted minions
>removal is still garbage
Explain to me why this expansion won't be terrible.

>>160206428
thank fuck for the promise of Handlock coming back.
I also sincerely don't want any new warlock cards to focus on discarding

>>160209041
What minions do you specifically have problems with? Most of them seem fine.

>>160209041
removal is pretty good though
it's aoe that blows

>>160209162

The ones getting buffed before the even hit the board

>>160199794
>>160200128
>>160200315
>>160200534
Just for you.
"Plans to introduce game formats are announced, providing a solution to the problem of the game's ever-increasing card pool. Scheduled for spring 2016, it is stated that the arrival of Standard format will also see balance changes to numerous Basic and Classic cards, as well an increase in the pace of the release cycle, with two new expansions and one new adventure each year.[26]"
http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/19995505

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>>160209278
>responding to low quality bait
why

>>160209352
I like to inform idiots. Make me happy.

>>160209142
There's nothing to indicate Handlock is coming back. The card is good itself but it changes nothing about why Handlock is unplayable, we need a new healbot and a new darkbomb, and even then the Molten nerf might have been too much. Reno though got some great new toys with Kazakus, Kabal Chemist, and this.

>>160209278
>two new expansions and one new adventure each year.[26]"
Fuck man, Hearthstone is deader than dead. Let's all pay our respects.

>>160209541
We get more cards. An "adventure year" like last year had around 100 less cards than a Expansion year like this year.

This make standard bigger with more choices.

>>160209541
That was my thought when they announced it, honestly. One change every four months is way too slow. They should either add a fourth influx, or do a balance change halfway between releases.

>>160209007
Not drakkisath?

>>160209228
I don't know about you, a lot of them are rather understated due to the expectation of buffing occurring to begin with

I'm not even sure if they'll take off desu

>>160209703
>balance change
>Team 5
Top kek.

>>160209762
If they do, though, silence is gonna come back in a big way. I hope it does, I miss Keeper of the Grove

>>160209730
Drakkisath too.
Shit even fucking Geddon. The entire adventure is just pure garbage mechanics-wise.

How do I counter shaman?

>>160209863
>tfw finally bothering to get the BRM heroic cardback

This is absolutely miserable.

Why are these fights so un-fun?

>>160209946
Shaman, mostly.

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W A R L O C K
A
R
L
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C
K

>>160209639
Honestly, from my perspective, it just shows a lack of actual effort being put into the game. I know we all would like quality over quantitiy, but we're getting neither. I'd rather have one of the two extremes than a game that refuses to do neither.

>>160209703
I think the game will slowly and slowly turn most bland. Where certain problem cards and combinations of cards will just stay broken and we'll see balance patchs that don't fix anything. Team 5 needs to do more imo, they can't just keep making broken cards to compete with broken cards.

>>160210025
Abyssal Voidwalker

5 mana 3/5 taunt summon a voidcaller

>>160209950
>Why are these fights so un-fun?

Because that's HS specialty

>>160208360

Flamecannon is literally instapick in almost any situation.

>>160210125
I dont want hearthstone to become Magic with 6 sets a year. I'm a F2P guy, I dont want to grind for packs to have them be useless.

>>160208360
Rag and Curator

2016 was the year of Kraken. What will the year 2017 be?

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>>160210143
>>160210025
Any wowfags know if this is a void lord or not? Anyone know anything about the context of the picture/any clues?

>>160210238
The meta is completely stale after two months, though. We need something.

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>>160210317
Unicorn.

>>160210238
Blizzard's target audience is not f2p players surprisingly enough
It may even be a positive in their end to "encourage" people to buy packs occasionally

>>160210350
Soul Link, maybe. Old Warlock talent that let a demon take 20% of all of the damage you would take for you.

Maybe Enslave Demon, which is self Explanatory.

That is a Void Lord, as far as I can tell.

>>160210317
Year of the Southsea Captain

I've just unpacked a golden boogeymonster, do I DE? I ain't got many legendary

>>160210559
yes, it's a really bad card.

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>>160210350
this is what a void lord looked like in the TCG, so yeah, looks like a void lord
also the legendary will be the VoidLord, not the warlock who summoned him.

>>160210713
Why are the gnomes always summoning demons

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>>160210025
>give warlocks soul link
>it redirects damage to a demon like bolf

it'd be so satisfying to cuck freeze shitters with a linked doomguard

>>160210825
Because their brains are in direct proportion with their height

>>160211040
see ya

>>160211040
hayai

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Let's real talk here.
What's the expansion going to be nicknamed?

Gadgetzan?
Gadget?
Mean Streets?
MSG?
MSOG?

>>160211431
MSG of course

>>160211431

Meme streets

>>160211431
meme streets or MSG

Lmao /hsg/ shitters actually think that infernal card is any good, what a fucking shieldbearers.

>>160210825
summoning big things makes up for their height

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>>160211684
>t.

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>>160211431
MSG, of course. Maybe MSoG if you're one of those guys who say ONiK or WotOG instead of Kara and WOG.

>>160211684
Enlighten us, pedro.

>>160211431
dog shit

>>160211684
>four mana spell slapped onto a 6/6 for 7 mana
>bad

idk broe

>>160211431
NAX
GVG
BRM
TGT
LOE
WOG
ONK ONK
MSG

>>160211793
but anon some third worlders in whogivesafuck are offended when you say wog

>>160210317
Year of the Butt Hole.

>>160207920
I'd play it

>>160210201

>4x flamecannon
>go 0-3
>"flamecannon is instapick"

Ok buddy, keep going 0-3

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god damn this was fun

>>160210293

>have a trillion spells
>decide to pick kelthuzad instead of rag

you deserve 0-3

>>160211984
but that's wrong
it's
Naxx
GvG
BRM
TGT
LoE
WOG
ONiK
MSG

>>160206428
KABAL UBER ALLES!
GRIMY GOONS HAVE A BORING AS SHIT THEME THAT WILL ALSO NEVER GET PAST THE EXPERIMENTATION PHASE.

PRAISE KABAL

>>160212445
Nax work as well as Naxx.

>>160212558
not in caps it odesn't

>>160206829
Depends on what I unpack, Renolock if I get Kazakus for sure, then probably Miracle to purge the disgusting Priest scum.

>>160208360
>KT over rag
gimme a break, man

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>>160212547
Amen.

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>>160212547
[buffing random minions in my hand intensify]

>>160212653
Does not change anything really. People know what it is.

>>160212763
What are the random potions? Or are they not announced yet?

>>160211834

How you know my name?

>>160213158
Any cards with potion in the Title. This include all we seen so far. Dragofire, Pintsized, Volcanic, Madness.

>>160210825
Have you ever heard of one of the most powerful summoners, Wilfred Fizzlebang?!

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Post times someone was OUTSKILLED

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>>160213349

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>>160213492

That slow cursor action is beautiful

Should wild cards have a discounted dust cost? It would help people who want to get into wild or use old cards.

>>160213876
No, they should have packs in the store that you can buy, since this is a digital game and has no need to produce and ship old content

>common cards as arena rewards

seriously blizzard why

Zeryiah, I know you attentionwhore in these threads, tell someone to fucking fix this.

>>160213876

If you can't buy the packs, yes

Specially since crafting old cards is good for adventures

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>>160213492
> 20 Mana Moltens
You will be missed, old friend
I may try out Handlock with Moltens again once the expac goes live

>>160213876
Doing that would probably confuse new players by causing them to think "well it's cheaper, so I should probably craft it"

And even with the warning that says "It's a wild card" and even with the fact that wild cards are tucked away in the UI, people would still do it and wonder why the hell they can't use the cards in standard.

I'd rather see something like >>160213964 suggested, maybe a seasonal pack that's meant to get players into wild, but with a slight price hike due to the fact that said cards are not a normal release. Modern and Eternal Masters in MTG were the same way; reprint sets primarily released for people wanting to play in a certain, broader format at $10 a pack as opposed to the normal $4 price tag.

>>160214149
;_;7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WxExwrCQWg

>>160214169
>maybe a seasonal pack that's meant to get players into wild, but with a slight price hike
>with a slight price hike

fuck off zeriyah

just keep the fucking packs in the store for 100 gold and have a separate tab for wild content

>crushing noobs with basic cards in low ranks to make them quit the game, contributing in the death of Hearthstone
What have you done today to make this a better game?

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I miss "Sorry".

>>160214443
Maybe make a matchmaking system based on dust amounts the entire collection would be?

>>160214443
>>crushing noobs with basic cards in low ranks to make them quit the game
why would you use basic cards to crush noobs?

i use a full legendary tier deck, and when i play someone with a golden portrait I know they arent a newb, so i concede and great them

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>>160214253
oh fuck me
I stopped watching One Piece last year, now I want to catch up.

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>>160214308
I know you're probably the smartest guy on this planet, but that doesn't mean everyone else is

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>>160206829

You forgot

>Team 10,000 Patches.

Its a meme combo for sure but turning gang up into 2 mana - summon 3 1/1 chargers next time you play a pirate is pretty fucking legit.

>>160215001
whats with lulu getting posted here more often, did you just watch space patrol luluco?

>>160214694
The noobs are the ones with basic cards.
I prefer to use a fatigue deck and see their innocence turn into frustration and hopelessness. By the time they hit concede I know I have successfully broken them.

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>>160215103
yes, space pirate milf was pretty awesome for such a short series

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>>160206829
Team Shaman is still broken

>hang in legend-only discord
>haven't been to /hsg/ in ages
>stop by on my way to another general
>still OCfagging
>less frequent posts despite expansion coming out

HAHAHAHA

Enjoy this fucking shit hole you pathetic shieldbearers.

>>160215734
I bet your legend cardback makes panties drop all around you huh

>>160215734

>Thinks hanging out in his sekret club of children's card game makes him awesome

>>160215734
>legend-only discord
This is hilarious

>Search hsg in catalog
>Click on first thread
>Get /svg/ because they fucking put it in their description to honeypot people

Very fucking subtle

>>160216092
its worth it once you see the art

>play 3 arenas tonight
>go 8-3 7-3 and 10-3
>wanna stop playing but I can't as long as I have gold

How can I be a shitter in arena so I can go to sleep?

>>160216092
We should do that too "Hearthstone is a game a kind to Shadowverse"

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what the FUCK
why even bother trying to play priest until gadgetzan?

>>160216334
More passive aggressive
"Hearthstone is a game akin to Shadowverse (svg), but with a sustainable playerbase"

>>160216334
Or you could do what other autistic generals do and slam "svg" into the filename so search results pull this thread up without actually showing in the contents

>>160216339
This is the last time you get to play it when it's known as a control class.

>>160216339
why bother playing hearthstone after gadgetzan?

>>160216563
"no"
Don't put yourself on their level or we'll all end up in the mud.

Give it time and they'll be gone.

>>160216563
ever notice coke doesnt put out anti-pepsi ads?

dont give them attention

>>160210201

Lel, that guy is obviously terrible, hes probably flamecannoning 2 health minions then wondering why hes running out of tempo on turns 4-5

t. infinite mage player

>>160216701
People won't remember to put svg in the file name, but everyone just copy pastes the op

>>160216818
>Not being petty as fuck
Why even go on /vg/?

>>160216563
>>160216701

No, don't start shit. It's one or two autists doing this, no one gives a fuck about other generals just like we don't. Just ignore and report.

>>160214443
>>160214574
Remove the extra stars for winstreaks, but also make winning award more stars than losing. In fact, dump stars all together, and award points instead, based on your points vs your opponents.

>>160211684

Its terrible, wont even see play in renolock.

>shitters implying the 3 dmg aoe that damages yourself is relevant on turn 7, when you are desperately struggling to stabilize against pirate warrior or (((midrange))) hunter.

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Really makes you think...

Freeze Mage is really going to like Volcanic Potion if Pirate Warrior ends up being as good as expected.

>>160217134
>counterspell
>cat trick
>loatheb
>class card
Not really.

>>160217126
>taking 3 damage to remove their board isnt considered stabilizing

i hate summer /hsg/

>>160217134
Loatheb ;)
Counterspell ;)
Cat Trick ;)
All 2+ mana troggs ;)

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>>160217134
really makes you think, Huge toad costs 2100 gold to get

>>160217134
>a spell is the same as a minion
retard of the week

>>160217187
>Pirate Warrior
What is up with this meme? Why are people shilling for it? Patches?

>>160217126
You know you're wrong and i'll remind you later by screencapping this.

>>160217332
What if the opponent also has a couple acolyte of pains on board? Checkmate.

>>160217302

No it isnt, because the shitty demon doesnt have taunt or pose a threat against aggressive decks, so they will just spend 7 or 8 mana into your face next turn and most likely kill you because you were sitting with a dead 7 mana card in hand all game long instead of drawing your effective removals.

>>160217368

Because Lifecoach said it when he visited them and people fell for the meme

>>160217467
you win because your opponent has acolytes of pain on board instead of something that stops them from dying

>>160217368
It's already a reaonsably good deck, but now:
-You get a 1/1 with charge for 100% nothing
-Your Bloodsail cultist becomes an unconditional battlecry

>>160217578
Dumb arguments from a retard. Check back on how wrong you were in about 1 month.

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>>160217697
>Your Bloodsail cultist becomes an unconditional battlecry

holy shit is that really how that works

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Play Hearthstone

>>160217126

I know, it's awful but these guys seem to think it's a flamestrike or something lol, even in arena it will be completely irrelevant as you can't afford to be so far behind as to kill your own board when playing warlock

>>160217919
Actually that might not be the case after all. I just noticed Patches says After, not Whenever. If it were the latter, it would have buffed the weapon.

Anyone knowledgable about specifics of sequencing here?

>>160206428

Oh, look. It's Dread Infernal's meaner cousin. Definitely more annoying with how he shits the board.

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>>160217974

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Sure, kill my deathwing, what could go wrong

>reynad thinks meme streets is going to be the best hearthstone expansion

if you didnt need any more proof the game is fucked, there it is

when streamers that depend on the came are trying to sell the shit that blizzard is pitching

Why isn't Nozdormu run as a tech card against rope cunts and mobile users?

Just got him from prince memeazar and he singlehandedly won the game as my opponent couldn't do shit for two rounds.

>>160218624

You're clueless.

>>160219113
nine mana eight eight

>>160219113

Because most of the time he is an overpriced 8/8 who just gets removed

>>160219149
It's you who's clueless. Check back in a month.

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>>160219149

>>160219025
>ding ding

>>160219271

>Playing arena
>Losing board as fucking warlock
>Don't worry guys by turn7 I will kill everything on both sides

okey let me know your 0-3 adventures

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>>160217126

I know, it's awful but these guys seem to think it's a flamestrike or something lol, even in arena it will be completely irrelevant as you can't afford to be so far behind as to kill your own board when playing warlock

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>>160219373
keep em coming

>Rat Pack

Why is this allowed? I'll dread to see matches where a Houndmaster boosts it.

>>160219293
...are you dumb?

He has a Cenarius and a VC. He used his monkey. He physically can't have a brawl.

He could have a deathwing though.

what is the twitcon reckful thing?

>>160219373
So why's Dread Infernal a good Arena card?

>>160219531
kripp pls leave

>>160219426

>dread infernal kills your board
>what's the difference between 1 dmg and 3 dmg

Gee I dunno

I swear you all are shieldbearers

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R8 my arena dick

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>>160219293
>>160219579

He didn't had one after all, but he should have dreamed the curator and went face, specially since I was struggling stabilizing, but he made the one play that could give me a chance to win

The funny part is that I ended up getting Reno active and the acidmaw dreadscale stupid combo in hand

>>160219662
oh yeah i guess the dread infernal is just good because it's got a 6 mana 6/6 body, haha my bad, thanks for opening my eyes friend

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>when they finally let you pick mage

Why do I not just retire every other run?

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>>160219631

For the same reason elven archer is good.

Warlock doesn't have a ping and this infernal gives you reach for minimal negative impact on your side of the board if you manage things correctly. It will be 100 times more difficult if not impossible to do the same with 3 damage since it no longer is reach and it becomes an actual board clear.

>>160219850

Didn't I just play against you?

>>160220137
Because it's not gold efficient.

>>160207536
>>160207662
Belated thanks bros I used Token and Beast and liking Token a bit more but both are great options!

>6/6 that hellfires the board for 7 is bad

Is the powercreep so strong that this card just pales in comparison? Find out in this next episode of epic trolling!

>>160220610
>4mana 7/7 doesn't even see play that much anymore

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>>160219773
welp

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>>160219662
>>160220282

>kills your board
Why is Hellfire rated from above average to excelent by everyone again?

If Hellfire is objectively proven to be good, are you saying that a 3 mana 6/6 that draws, and then also casts hellfire (except better as it doesn't damage it itself) could possibly be bad in Arena? Dread Infernal is rated highly because it deals one damage, period. Not because it doesn't kill your board. You trade your board into your opponent's board if turn 7 sees bigger minions (if you make the argument that you may not have a board on t7 then you were going to lose almost always), then you play this. If you are losing and didn't have a board, the one thing you wanted that would help you win is an AoE, and you got a 6/6 with it for 3 mana. If you have a board and are winning, Flamestrike is exactly as useless as this card.

Let's review: When Losing: good, When Fighting for the board: good, When winning: who gives a fuck, you're winning.

It's one thing to be a retard and say this card is bad in constructed, but to say it's bad in Arena is laughable. More souvenirs please.

>>160220846
>When winning: who gives a fuck, you're winning.
>When winning: who gives a fuck, you're winning.
>When winning: who gives a fuck, you're winning.

EXCEPT FOR THE FACT

THAT YOU WILL NOT BE WINNING ANYMORE

BECAUSE YOU WIPE YOUR OWN BOARD

LOL

THIS IS WHAT THE "WARLOCK IS CONTROL" RETARDS BELIEVE

L O L

O

L

>>160220704
It doesn't because it catches hex, exactly like a 5 mana 4/4 or a 6 mana 6/5 does, except the last two either drew a card or dealt 3 damage, respectively, while the faceless kicked you in the dick. Abyssal Is entirely different and you can't just say that good cards could not see play because one good card doesn't see play for a specfic reason. It's not a general trend in this case but a specific problem.

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>>160221148
>if me winning, me do not play this minion
>then me continue winning

even this caveman i just found figured it out, anon

why can't you

>>160206829
Probably team Maylock since its the only deck besides dragon warrior that can dumpster dragon priest
>mass removal
>burst
>immune to dragonfire potion

>>160221148
So you're literally saying you would play Deathwing if it were your turn and you had leathal? Or Yogg? Or if you had a 6 3 health minions and your opponent had nothing, and 4 health, you'd play Abyssal before attacking instead of just holding it? Is that what your post is saying?

What's your IQ dude?

>>160220704
Not due to power creep, due to risk management
When your deck is favored you don't want to make bold risky plays
It's the weaker opponent's job to gamble to try to find some way to beat you, and it's your job to play as safely as possible to make sure that doesn't happen
since shaman is favored against everything, 477s are extremely undesirable

like >>160221254 said, it's a completely different card with a completely different role anyway

>>160221270
>even this i

ESL pls go.

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>Go second against a Shaman
>Get a shitty starting hand
Is it even worth it to play the rest of the game?

>>160221574
Maybe if your deck actually has a win condition?

>>160221491
Just because youre a retard doesnt mean he is too

>>160220846

Hellfire is not comparable. When you use hellfire you are on turn4 and you want to kill everything on the board because you are losing and it's still early enough to make a difference. If you are losing so hard that you actually are praying for this card to clean the board, then the card is meaningless, just as it is meaningless when you are already winning, as you admitted.

It's good when fighting for the board yes but it's not comparable to hellfire or dreaded infernal at all. Makes as much sense as comparing it to abomination.

>>160221148
Really made me think

>>160216923
That's funny, I sit down to my computer to look at new replies in the thread with a glass of pepsi in my hand and the first thing I see is this. Hilarious.

>>160219280
I love this meme

>>160220846
Oh it's you again. Come on, can't you post in a different way? Such an obvious samefag

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>>160221974
>>160221932
>>160220846
>>160219523
>>160219373
>>160219280
>>160219149
>>160218624
>>160217974
>>160217126
>>160211684

>>160221706
I think a turn 7 Hellfire that puts a 6/6 on the board is actually pretty good. I don't know where Shaman will be when Mean Streets comes out, but this card can wipe out all of your opponents shitty totems since they're never buffed for health (okay, usually never buffed for health)
and by Turn 6 or onwards you're most likely to be playing minions with more than 3-4 health so it's not THAT devastating to your board

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>>160206829

>tfw Kazakus Renocuck

PREPARE YOUR BOIPUCCI, ANDUIN

>>160222263
My goodness.

Someone actually went through the effort of making that image and didn't even make it transparent. How would you use it on a discussion-based red board?

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>>160222556
>discussion-based red board

Who else has crafting paralysis here? Dust is far too fucking sparse and valuable. I feel like 10 minutes after crafting a card I'm going to regret it.

>>160222556
>discussion-based red board

>>160222743

What are you missing and what types of decks do you like?

>>160221706
You're plain wrong and you'll see how it'll improve Warlock's standing signficantly in Arena, and become one of the highest rated arena cards for Warlock. All your arguments stem from you having no clue on what amount of damage is signficant at what turn, and the only way to rectify this would be to show you this case by case or statistically, which is either too taxing or impossible.
Please do check back in one month.

>>160222306

Even if they introduced this card alone right now, I think it might be too slow to deal with shaman but maybe it's good who knows. I was talking about arena mostly desu. I'm not saying the card is awful, I mean abomination is good sometimes but it's not great too, just an average card and since everyone is going crazy about how good it is I will stand by my point that it's a shitty slow card that will do nothing for you most of the time. I will still pick it in arena sometimes. If it didn't damage face then it would go from a 6 to an 8 in my eyes.

>>160221650
The fact that some decks are instalose if you don't get a 1 or 2 drop in you mulligan really tells how this game is 90% starting hand and tempo

>>160221974
Still asshurt about how you were proven wrong last time?

>>160222917

I'm missing most things. I have Malygos, Thalnos, Tirion, and Jaraxxus. I don't really have a preference when it comes to decks.

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I want to suck Madam Goya's furry toes.

>>160222430
As a fellow renocuck i regret to tell you that Anduin is going to become another Curve class. Meaning you'll have similar problems to Dragon Warrior with it, albeit less severly on the aggression side.
Priest was such an easy match up because it went on forever and extended into infinity it is impossible to kill Jaraxxuss' Infernals + Lifetap, and additionally near impossible to kill you before this takes place. Draganduin will just straight up curve you to death usually well before J.

>all these high value high mana cards
just what the game needed more of desu

>>160223185
that card is fucking terrible

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Remind me again why one class is allowed to have a 4/7/7 and a 0/5/5 while Priest still exists?

>>160223956
Hey we didn't make the cards man. Go ask Brode personally on his twitter.

>Ben brode went from lowly pizza boy to one of the industry top influential developer that rivals shigueru miyamoto

Really gets the grey matter shivering

>>160222974

Having a different opinion is not the same as having no clue. The argument that this is a 6/6 for 4 makes no sense it's like saying deathwing is a 12/12 for 2 because of the twisting nether effect. I will gladly check back in a month and throw it in your guys face tho!

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Is my main nigga Cho'gall finally gonna be meta when Kazakus releases?

>>160224262
>game industry
>influental
Wow, it really does...

>>160223185
>BECAUSE NOTHING BEATS A DEATHWING ON TURN 6!
>except deadly shot, hex, siphon soul, polymorph,power word death, execute, assassinate, mulch, and equality

>>160224317
Fuck me I hope not, I just dusted him to pay for my Rag.

>>160224262
I'd say that, right now, Brode has just about as much sway as Miyamoto does right now. Historically speaking, Brode's just another head honcho of a big game. Not quite Todd Howard, but a ton more pull than One Sean's Lie.

>>160224685
Poor move. Cho'Gall has been on the cusp for a while now. We've been telling you idiots to hold onto him in the event Renolock comes back.

>>160224272
the saddest part is some idiots are going to say "wow /hsg/ is a bunch of shieldbearers, they thought dread infernal was shit LUL"
and post a screencap of some of this shitty bait as proof

>>160223789
pretty much, it's probably gonna end up being one of the boogeymonsters of this expac

>>160224776
Sorry, I meant to add some good bits at the end there.

It was a very good move to craft Ragnaros though. If Blizzcon is any indication, he's returned to the top of the Legendary must-have list, and is evergreen, a huge plus.

>>160224317
Lets see what other potions warlock gets, first.
But yeah this guy has so much fun potential, especially if you can Kabal Courier just right

>>160224272
>this is a 6/6 for 4 makes no sense

It does, because:
Hellfire + 6/6
Hellfire costs 4, thus the 6/6 costs 3. Where is this incorrect?

>deathwing is a 12/12 for 2 because of the twisting nether effect.

Deathwing couldn't be a 2 mana 12/12 because the attached effect is not Twisting Nether, because Twisting Nether doesn't discard your hand. If Deathwing Did not Discard your hand It is literally a 2 mana 12/12 Is it that you must always play it with Twisting Nether that's confusing? This is only used to calculate value or effect worth. What you're saying makes no sense and i can't see how effect cost from identical reference - total cost = remaining body and remaining effects (if any) cost. Clarify please if i am misunderstanding.

I didn't call him clueless because he had a different opinion, but because he's clueless and everything he said is wrong, but based only on lack of experience, ability, or subjective misunderstandings. I can't fix or refute that in an objective way. There's nothing i can say to "3 damage aoe is near irrelevant on turn 7" than "you're wrong" or present staistics that prove otherwise which don't exist to my knowledge.

>>160217332
lil' exorcist :^)

>>160224796
Because you or he were/was completely wrong and laughably so. I'm open to all valid opinions and arguments, but when you're assertively parading your opinion like you know better, you better be ready ot get called out if you said something stupid.
It's very obvious that the card is excellent in arena, and you are unironically a shieldbearer as far as your understanding of the game's workings if you think it's bad.

>>160223789
>>160224640
This doesn't stop me from wanting to suck on her toes.

>>160224796
>say something unfounded and dumb
>think it's terrible that someone calls you dumb after the fact

>>160225340
Welp, I can't tell you what to put in your mouth

>>160224796
>it's probably gonna end up being one of the boogeymonsters of this expac
not really. even if they're around the same powerlevel boogey is absolutely bad while this has memetic potential

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CHOO CHOO NEXT STOP 12 WINS

Is Beast Druid the most cancerous thing in Arena?

>>160225642
Goya will be good or at least ok if there is enough super strong battlecries. Multiple potions from Kazzak or two Renos for example.

>>160225701

>only 5 cards 2 mana and under
>all those shitty 3 mana plays

choo choo here comes 6 wins more like it

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>>160225554
This one might also come in handy

>>160225741
Oh

It was

>Turn 3 innervate + Druid of the Claw
>Turn 4 Druid of the Fang
>Turn 5 Druid of the Fang
>Turn 6 Argus+Mark of the wild GG

Fuck you if youre in here

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>>160225916
>play an understatted battlecry minion to swap out an understatted battlecry minion with another understatted battlecry minion

>>160225929
>KirinTor to secret
>Horserider
>Flamewaker
>shit
I'm assuming you only play constructed and haven't made it past Rank 15?

>>160225934
make one for "counterfeit coin is not worth a deck slot"

>>160226218
just-girly-things.minify.hu

>>160225934
>>160225554
have a template

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>>160226734
>>160226408

>>160225701
Quite the disgusting deck, what was your tierscore? Let us know what your rewards are.

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>>160225642
>>160225916
what potential?
what the hell exactly do you plan to do with a 6 mana barnes-yshaarj hybrid?
the difference between turn 4 and 6 is huge, rag on 6 isn't game-ending and the opponent can usually deal with whatever you pull.
While on the other hand, if it whiffs you're up shit creek without a paddle.

as far as i can tell, its only use is in astral druid, rez priest, or similar extreme-high-curve decks where the goal is to make flashy youtube videos or reddit screenshots and generate STORIES instead of actually winning games.

>>160224987

The reason why it's incorrect is because you only get to play it on turn 7. If it was a 6/6 for 4 then you would get to play it on turn 4 and it would be completely broken as it would be stronger than most 4/5 drops out there. Keep in mind I'm talking about arena, constructed is a different story. I mean I get your calculations based solely on value but in reality you will have to hold onto this card until turn7 and there is a certain unquantifiable cost associated with that, specially in arena. By the time you reach turn7 the effect from this card might be irrelevant. I will say warlock and hunter are the two classes who are always on a clock. If you are losing hard then you already took a bunch of face damage which accelerated your clock as warlock and you probably can't afford to take 3 face damage most of the time (not always). If you are winning why would you kill your board? If you are evenly fighting for the board then you need to find a way to make the 3 dmg worth it and sure this card can be good in those situations maybe even insanely good at the right situation, but overall I think it will be pretty average, slightly above abomination tier. I guess we will have to wait and see.

check out this shieldbearer thread >>>/v/357718314

So if I am reading this right, TGT, LOE and BRM will be removed when gadgetzan goes online, right?

>>160227129
If there is enough really high impact battlecries you can get some of them again later with goya. What you get back from the swap is a bonus. But like >>160226124 mocked me it might still be too slow. Then again, you are bound to lose to some Goon deck that hit several buffs on Goya, so he plays it as a 6 mana 8/7 and bounce back his Don or something and gets Rag back.

>>160227345
Nope.
They rotate when 2017's first expansion comes out.

>>160227129
LALALAL LLE RANDOM THINGS ARE FUN I'M GRATEFUL TA EVERYONE ENJOY THE RNG MACHINE PLAYING BY IT SELF

>>160227345
There is literally nothing you could be reading that would suggest that

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>Frostbolt+Icelance, Firelands Portal, Doomguard into my face to end my arena run at 1-3

Has anyone been fucked so hard before?

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>>160225260

>the card is excellent in arena, and you are unironically a shieldbearer as far as your understanding of the game's workings

Yea I'm just fucking shieldbearer who is clueless about arena maybe you can give me some tips sensei?

>>160228064
>winning a game with paladin on 1-2 braket

Is that supposed to mean aeaning anything

>Yea I'm just fucking shieldbearer

Yes you are

>>160227131
Did you miss the part where i said "it's a way to calculate effect worth"?
>6/6 for 4
It's for 3.
>then you would get to play it on 4
No, you wouldn't. It's WORTH 3, why are you twisting this to it COSTS 3?
How many times do i have to explain this? I even preemptively asked you if what was confusing you was that saying "abyssal is 3 mana" is making you think you can play it on 3. Again, it's a way to discern effect value and thus know the body value and then understand how efficient a card is based on how much the body costs for its stats with the effect cost deducted.

>The reason why it's incorrect is because you only get to play it on turn 7.

I asked you why Hellfire - 7 = 3, because that is what you claimed is not true in your earlier post. You're still answer this. What you're responding with is again the same point, which is "hellfire is good or bad at this or that time", which again is irrelevant to my question. And your Deathwing point you said makes me confused as to what you're trying to say at all.

The only point that you can make is "well, hellfire isn't worth 4 mana on 7". Which brings us back to, again, i can't objectively, outside of statistics i don't posess, prove that 3 damage AoE on turn 7 is great (neither can you prove the opposite by the same token). Keep in mind that following your standard Flamestrike probably isn't much better off either. I'd expect when i am communicating with someone that they have the ability to reach reasonable conclusions, but you haven't. So the only course of action is to show you how people who do have reasonable a understanding of how the card game works will unanimously decide that it is very good, and they will.

>>160228145
>1-2
but anon that says eleven-two

>>160228145
Nigga ur dumb.

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>>160227345
how is it possible that we get this shit every thread for almost a year now.
I'll give the benefit of the doubt that you're new anon, but we can't have new posters all the time.

>draw all your spells
>opponent doesn't play any minions

>draw all your minions
>opponent only plays spells

just tempo mage things

>>160228064
What does this prove exactly? Shieldbearer is colloquial to dumbass, and you are if you think Abyssal is bad. You actually think going 11-2 with good paladin draft is somehow proof of anything? Congrats on tripping on your dick.

>>160227131
to me its arena value comes down to this: it's aoe in arena
beggars can't be choosers, we'll take what we can get

>>160227389
for boosting/duping battlecries we already have several decent options like 2 mana brewmaster, shadowstep, brann, etc
this is massively inferior to all of them

they just made a "cute" brewmaster + barnes combo package without realizing how goddamn overcosted it is at 6 mana.

>>160228237
>>160228231
>photoshops the 11-2
>MY OPINION IS 100% CORRECT BECAUSE I SAY SO

Ok......

*rolls eyes*

>>160228785
You're upset because you're wrong and you need to make the opposition look bad, i understand. Just don't be so obvious about it.

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This is really close to being really good and the tuning options are basically unlimited. Don't leak it to any streamer.

>>160228914
>You're upset because I say so


Ok......

*rolls eyes again*

>>160228785

I'm not saying my opinion is correct the thing is I have a big smile and I'm laughing at some /hsg/ shitter telling me I'm clueless about arena when in the other window i'm winning my 12th game. Have you considered someone can be incorrect and not be a shieldbearer??

>>160228785
>>160228985
You do know that you have to be at least 18 years old to use this website, right?

>>160229054
Not about basic value tests, they can't. You're a retard, and you know that when you check anywhere post msg you'll see Abyssal Enforcer with a 100+ next to it.

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>Grimy Goons
>buff cards in hour hand
>if C'Thun is in your hand he might get buffed

>The Kabal
>make potions
>potions are spells that count for Yogg

Jade Lotus better have some deathrattle minions for N'Zoth or I'm going to be really mad.

>>160229296
i hope so

>>160229296
Madam Goya suggests Y'shaarj

>>160229296
They'll probably have a bunch if disparate effects that vaguely relate to the ninja theme with stealth and bounces and couple of generically good ones.

>>160225934
Which card does this?

>>160229492
Southsea Captain, played in any deck, along with Patches is exactly this.

>>160229363
My Damn Goyim isn't Jade Lotus.

>>160229492
Southsea deckhand + patches

>>160229645
I find that hard to believe

>>160229492
hint: scuuuuuuuuuurveh dawg!

>>160229296
>relying on goons to randomly buff c'thun
>who already has reliable buffing potential and cards
>Potions used only to power up Yogg
>a legendary that has a high chance of killing itself
>needing to add more powerful DeathRattle minions for N'ztoh
>When Standard already has Sylvannas, Cairne, Anub'arak, Tirion Fordring, Savannah Highmane, Chillmaw, the list goes on

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>>160229779
Fuck off and just tell me what it is.

>>160229913
two other posters already did m8

>>160229854
>the list goes on
I mean, besides Tomb Pillager... does it?

>>160229913
>>160229614

>>160230248
>uses * Unironically

Opinion discarded, kiddo.

>>160230327
but it's obviously ironic le ebin b8

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>>160230248

>Get called "clueless retard who knows nothing about arena"
>Tab to other window to finish a 12 win run
>Mfw (You)s from /hsg/ shitter