/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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which class would be the most fun to play with draconian metamorphosis?

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Allahu Enchbar?

>>160201686
do NOT hug the warlord

>>160201634
People called it a challenge and it was originally formulated as a question asking for conducts to play as kenshiro. It is harder than most ordinary crawl characters, or literally "challenging". Therefore it is a challenge despite whatever incredibly arbitrary definition of "challenge" you are using

>>160201839
Dance'd it like Tukima would

>>160201829
PCB is more interactive simply by virtue of being 2-4 times as long as the average crawl game.

Checkmate!

>>160197870
Explain how any class in PCB is more interactive than MiBe in DCSS. PCB is literally
>grind at 555 if old version
>spam detection in dungeons, instant tele away from danger
>grind big heal items and rockets
>win

>>160201882
yeah trying to get your parents to still love you when you come home wearing a fursuit is difficult too

that doesn't mean that pretending to be a cartoon character is a "challenge game"

>>160201538
Mystic or monk are two classes that won't totally screw you.

And all *band casters are demonstrably unfun, so...

>>160202154
won't they?
i know the martial arts for dragons was only recently added, idk how good/strong it is compared to FIST

http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=19867

10/10

>>160202071
Do you consider it a requirement that dicks come to the thread and say something is a challenge to make it a challenge even if by every fucking definition of the word and general consensus it is a challenge? How is a game literally intended to be particularly hard (as in, FUCKING CHALLENGING) because of conducts not a challenge game?

>>160202343
lol

>>160202351
because that one isn't primarily about the conducts/difficulty
it's about muh chinese cartoons

>>160202665
Okay, let me fix that:
I swear that the challenge that I shall play, shall be intended by my actions as a challenge, a whole challenge and nothing but a challenge, so help me God.

>>160202026
Yeah, that's pretty much it, honestly.
PCB is that weird grind game that lots of people liked for a while.
Like Elona.

>>160202665
Why are you on 4chan if you hate anime so much?

This aint even a girly slice of life we're talking about here.

Does Blade Hands work with a SpEn? It sounds good considering the +3 apt.

>>160203359
Yes?

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>>160203385
>sexy lizards
Lizard is inferior to snek

>>160203263
yeah but he wants to fucking ROLEPLAY as his favorite anime

>>160203359
No, spriggans can't use blade hands because they don't have hands

>>160203359
It's not worth it. UC even with blade hands takes a large investment to be good, and blade hands hinders casting + it benefits the most out of Str which as a SpEn you're short of

Your UC apt is also kind of ass

>pretty much all the early quests give nothing useful for death swords
I just want some fire resistance so arch-viles stop almost killing me.

what version of DCSS is everyone playing.

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>>160203674
>death sword
Anon, be sensible. Don't do this to yourself.
No man should ever feel so much pain.

are there any GOOD roguelikes with tiles other than crawl, unnethack, owh+ and ivan?
and no, tome and adom are trash dont mention them

>>160203790
Im at 0.17
0.18 is too much of a removefest for me

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>>160203790
>DCSS
Meh.

>>160203790
0.10

>>160203790
The version you love.

>>160204010
youre intentions are worth fuckall
your roleplaying as youre favorite cartoon character

>>160203790
currently probably 9 out of 10 anons are playing 0.19 because tournament

after that we're all going back to trunk, excluding a few autists who can actually have fun playing crawl and its older versions

>>160204175
I CHALLENGE you, yes YOU (you) (You) to play a Kenshiro conduct game

It is a challenge now

>>160204351
i can't even play dcss
the tab key on my keyboard is broken, and pressing that one button makes up about 90%ish of the """""gameplay""""

>>160204228
>after that we're all going back to trunk excluding a few autists who can actually have fun playing crawl and its older versions
Not really.
There's less and less people in /rlg/ who play DCSS anymore

>>160204723
People have been literally saying that since 2013

>>160204825
logically follows since the developers haven't added anything new since 2013, and instead have just removed features and added in work by other independent people.

>>160204825
>People have been literally saying that since 2013
Not really.
I've looked at all the images in the threads in the last year and I can literally (figuratively) say that the dcss images have stopped being the majority. Every new FoTM craze is a silent scream for help to get out of the dead hands of a dead game nobody loves anymore but merely tolerates.

>>160204825
there aren't actually less and less anons playing it
the game is new player-friendly and much easier to get into than most roguelikes, so it has a constant influx of new players
there are anons who get tired of it and quit, but they're outnumbered by the number of new players getting into it

>>160202154
apparently mystic doesn't even properly work with metamorphosis

monks and force-trainers get bonuses from martial arts and from their damage stances, but mystics are completely overlooked

>>160205038
If DCSS isn't the most popular game, what is?

>>160205424
Dcss is still the most popular game exactly because of what >>160205101 said.

But I'll tell you what it's not, at least around here.
It is not the most loved game. Or the most enjoyed. Or even the most fun.

It is just "that game that was pretty fun and everyone played and it's easy to get into so why not hey look there's a tournament".
DCSS has become the fast food of roguelikes.

>>160205424
all the other roguelikes/lites/ishes/esques combined probably

Death from hubris again

>>160205639
PCB is even worse design wise than crawl and it's probably the second most popular game. Elona isn't much better. Sil, Infra Arcana, Brogue, etc. are more widely praised but that probably comes out of only people that like them ever posting about them outside of discussions

The thread is just in denial that most people here like crawl or else they could have found something else to play in the 4 years it has existed. They just like shitposting about how bad crawl is

>>160206137
>The thread is just in denial that most people here like crawl or else they could have found something else to play in the 4 years it has existed.
we have
it's just not roguelikes

>>160206223
Okay, something else to play within the roguelike genre

>>160206330
roguelike music

>>160206330
Elona, C:DDA, Halls of Mist, PCB, Demon, Crawl variants like gnollcrawl and DCSS:Circus Animals, DoomRL, CoQ, ToME4, Sil, Incursion, roguelites like armo(u)red commander and liberal crime squad, and others
I haven't played an actual game of crawl in ages

>>160206330
permadeath basketball

>>160206941
>Crawl variants like gnollcrawl and DCSS:Circus Animals
scraping the bottom of the barrel I see

>>160207007
kek
I actually have more fun in DCSSCA than nucrawl, but I've only played like one game

>>160207125
CA has Djinn and that's all I ever wanted.

>tfw monk of craft rocking a +3 bow and +3 arrows by xp level 5
enchanted ranged weapons are really strong early on holy shit

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>>160207365
>monk of craft

What we really need is a new RL like crawl with the massive amount of races / classes to play. That's what makes it actually intriguing, that you can play dozens of different games within the same game.

It seems like everything is going for a 3-class system these days, which is fun for a bit but doesn't really let you sink your teeth in. Brogue doesn't even have classes, and as fun as it is, that really hurts the game's replay value. I'm super bored of mashing the autoexplore key for 2-3 minutes every time I start up a new character. Sure, once you actually get the ball rolling there are tons of different playstyles and a load of customization, but if I want to play a mage I don't want to be rerolling 20 times until I get a lightning staff on the first floor.

>>160205424
For all people here bitch and moan (rightfully) about DDA, when there's actual discussion of it it's pretty nice. It doesn't happen often, but there have been threads where DDA discussion almost matches DCSS discussion. I can't think of any other game that boasts that besides the occasional FoTMs before everyone gets bored of them.

>>160207509
the meme combo is nature, i know

but i want to punch things to death with my mana branded weaponmastery'd dragon talons

Why does /rlg/ pretty much never talk about anything but Crawl?

What other roguelikes do you like?

I enjoy CDDA, and for Android Pixel Dungeon

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>>160208768

Any tips for furyband? I've an dcss and after leaving the first town in Furyband I got murdered by a leopard

>>160206137
I play Dwarf Fortress

>tfw 52 AC
gargoyles are nice

oka is nice for gifting me a +9 artifact storm dragon armor

I find that one slows my bow down a bit too much though so started using my +5 artifact chain mail instead

>>160209920
>Gr
>SDA

Gargoyles are for wearing robes and casting spells with high AC and EV at the same time.

>>160209484
Get levels, get loot

*bands play more like permadeath JRPGs

Is there some roguelike set in something like Tolkien's Moria, but with peristent dungeons (so not Angband)?

>>160209484
There's a "spoilers" in the help menu that lists a lot of the dungeons in the game and their difficulty levels, that'll help you figure out where to go.

>>160203674
Death sword is supposed to grind a lot. Whenever the next level resist checks come, eat more shovels and picks and clear floors, mine, reclear and keep re-doing floors grinding packs of item droppers for essences

>>160210641
>mining for cash
>ever

stop giving bad advice, I may suck at PCB but at least I've never given advice this bad

>>160210860
It's not like they even have anything useful to buy, unlike rings.

>>160211335
blackmarket can always have ego shit in it

but yeah digging for money is something i've only done on classes like hex mage that start with no attack spells and a 1d4 dagger or some bullshit

>>160205101
How did the "DCSS is new player friendly" meme start?

>>160212682
it has tiles that dont look like shit and a mouse interface
roguelike newbies are invariably tileshitters

>>160212682
It doesn't rely on spoilers or unintuitive behavior

What to do when cleared Lair, Orc, Elf, Vault 1-4, two Lair branches and dungeon?

Depths kills you, Vault 5 kills you, Slime kills you.

>>160214091
>Depths kills you
How?

>>160214272
Hubris because Vaults is so easy

Hey I've been playing cata for a bit and I have a nice shelter and I've noticed that for whatever fucking reason my little crafting area isn't using any of the water I have near me.
Did I fuck up somewhere? I'm sort of in need of some clean water and some items that use water for crafting.

>>160214438
Did you just pour out water on the ground?
That won't work

>>160214667
No I have it in gallon jugs, glass bottles, water bottles. It was working before and now it isn't.

>>160214438
Is it purified?

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>>160215318
I'd like to GET it purified. Here I made a helpful screenshot thingy.

Is it because my area's dirty?

>>160215591
is it inside that #
take it out and sit it on the ground or something

>>160215591
Is that inside a shelter?
You don't even need the water in a container,
you should be able to use it straight from the "shallow water" tiles.

>>160215936
>>160216104
I have my water right next to me and it still doesn't work. I carry my gallon jug, it doesn't work. I go sit in the shallow water tiles and try and it doesn't work.

Is there like some way to disallow items from being used in crafting that I might have activated?

>>160198569

SpEn^Tumtum kills any number of death yaks

>>160213836

>doesn't rely on spoilers or unintuitive behavior

sounds like Elona+ to me

is there any crawl combo where you don't need to train fighting?

>>160218186

blasters like DEFE

>>160218464
Can a bot beat the game without training fighting?

Can a bot beat the game without training any skill at all?

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Check out all my hps holy shit, its always nice to take a break from edain splatting

Are attack wands in DCSS worth using?

>>160218549
>Can a bot beat the game without training any skill at all?
it's impossible not to train at least 1 skill unless everything accessible is at 27

what's the most protective shit I can craft with rags and 6 points of tailoring

>>160219204
boonie hat

>>160216371
I don't understand why I can't do anything with my water.

>>160219317
for real though
I made a gambeson. should I still wear shit under it?

>>160219820
Probably this bug

https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/19149

RIP Pakellas

I'm so sorry Pakellas ;_;7

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When is Nethack 3.7 coming out?

I WILL make this Demonspawn Gladiator of Quazlal work

Even if it kills me

>>160224487
Doesn't sound that hard desu.
Maybe try starting off as a fighter tho.

>>160224653
Aren't Gladiators just strictly easier?

What's a good mid-weight armor for early-game melee? I usually go full heavy or full light

>>160224826
Well it's leather/nets/weapon with a better skill distribution against scale/shield/weapon. You get better early defenses with the latter though.

>>160225042
Just grab the first mithril coat you can. Use whatever you start with until then.

>>160224463
slated for release sometime late next baktun

>>160225473
Oh good, I'll be able to play it before my 500th then.

>>160225124
nets give them more emergency-ish consumables for early game compared to fighter who only gets 1 might potion

>>160225042
give your pet carpentry and sewing skill and marry it, it should start making you artifact armors that you can use
if you need them to be lighter read scrolls of inferior material to turn them into paper

>>160225230
>>160225961
Sorry, was talking about crawl.

I think the first guy was talking about sil, but what game lets you marry your pet and it makes armor for you?

>>160226068
Elona.

Pretty sure the first one is nethack.

>>160225473
the baktun ended recently so it's even longer than that

>>160225832
I'm not saying that Fighters are better than Gl, just that he might want to try it. The early defensive boost of having a shield seems like it would be handy with Qaz.
>>160226068
Those were nethack and elona respectively.
Use whatever gives you the best defense spread in DCSS. You generally want an even spread unless you are doing something specific: e.g. 13/13 is usually better than 17/9 or 6/19

>>160226313meant for >>160225656

>>160225473
unless you're really old perhaps

>>160225832
the might potion is underrated, especially since you'll likely get another before temple

>>160226392
>You generally want an even spread
Thanks, I've been trying to figure this out for ages. For some reason my instinct was that the bonuses were exponentially increasing, rather than linear.

>>160226706
it's linear. you also want to avoid getting trashed by bolts/magic (low EV, especially if you have poor resists) or getting double tapped by crystal spear and friends (low AC)

>>160226868
ev is better against crystal spear than ac is anon

for examples of where ac beats out ev look at e.g. hydras or enemy spriggan berserkers

or just packs of weakish shit in general

>>160226659
yeah might potion isn't bad

but it isn't as good as 3x net

>>160227549
Read his post again again, my dude.

>>160227768
>getting double tapped by crystal spear and friends (low AC)
crystal spears are scarier to low EV chars than low AC chars

if you have 52 ac then you will reduce that 120 damage crystal spear to on average 95
if you have 40 ev you will reduce it to 0

ev is stronger against higher-damage shit while ac is stronger against lower-damage shit (plus ev-ignoring shit like fireballs)

>>160227952
It looks like I am the one who needs to read again.

>>160227952

>if you have 40 ev you will reduce it to 0

Only if you dodge it and if you don't which happens way too often, you're pretty much screwed. I've played several high EV bad AC chars to conclude that EV is bloat.

This Draconian Transmuter of...Dith is going shockingly well. Got dragonform up and everything.

My biggest worry is that Dragonform's defenses are way too low.

>>160228736
Once you've reached dragonform as a drtm the game is already over.

>>160227952
consecutive 120 damage rolls are very rare, more rare than 30 ev failing (if you have 40 ev you are probably a spriggan and getting hit once will close to end you)

>>160228723
high ev bad ac is better than high ac bad ev against big nuke spells like that

but low ac chars also generally tend to be low hp chars, which is obviously really bad against shit like crystal spear

i tried to fight a group of dark elf warlocks with the monk's Genbu stance, which gives reflection

apparently you lose your stance if you get confused though, whoops!

teleleveled out at 4hp

>>160229059

>high ev bad ac is better than high ac bad ev

Simply false. Whether it's against an LCS or not, the former is always worse than the latter.

Fuck you tier:
Confusion
Hallucinate
Petrify
Polymorph
Silence (mages)

Not this shit again tier:
Blind
Curse
Drain
Disease
Stun (actual stuns)

Well ok then tier:
Burning
Chilled
Shocked
Bleeding
Poison
Slow
Fear
"Stun"

Did you do something tier:
Silence
Sleep
Paralyze

Fuck confusion.

>>160230579
But paralysis is rip tier in pretty much every roguelike it exists in.
I can't think of any roguelike that has all of those effects either.

>>160230989
>I can't think of any roguelike that has all of those effects
Thank god.

It's just my experience on ailments from different roguelikes, I don't remember paralyze being a big deal in any of them, but shit memory and/or 3 INT might cause that.

Found an uncursed Executioner's Axe on D8 with like 12 levels in axes.

Fighting the urge to switch to it right now over my +2 venom handaxe.

It's a bad idea, right? I won't hit shit and will be crazy slow?

>>160231240
I have certainly been 100 to 0'd from paralysis in Nethack, DCSS, Angband, PosChengband, and Halls of Mist.
Granted, it's usually pretty easy to avoid once you know what you're up against and are a little experienced with the game.
Once it's on you though, it's time to pucker up that anus.

>>160231240
Most of the ones where it's really bad also have it easily negated by something either common (angband and free action) or something you want anyway (nethack and magic resistance).

>>160230579
in what game is poison more scary than paralysis, sleep or silence

>>160231423
2.0 - (12 / 20) = 1.4
The accuracy is less of an issue.
It's still pretty slow, but man does a handaxe of venom ever suck. Not sure, anon. I'd say roll with what your defenses are feeling like.

>>160231423
>>160231601
the accuracy _will_ suck, especially compared to two poison procs. stick with the handaxe for now

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>>160201230
>its a mechanical keyboard sale
>they cut off 40% of the keyboard
>no tenpad
what a bunch of trendy assholes.

poschengband fucking fear

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>>160231723
>>160231601
FAULT

>>160231871
>dies to a 10 speed enemy
G-ganbatte, /rlg/.

>>160231871
lol. just lol

>>160231971
>>160232003
I HAVE TO KILL ALL THE DUDES

>LOUDEST LARRY II gets Powered by Death

THIS IS MORE LIKE IT

RIP AND TEAR

>>160231240
play adom and try to pick a fight with a mimic hivemind

>>160232279
don't play adom

>>160232279
play adom

>>160232279
adom

>>160232279
>>160232467
>>160232559
Already Did. Ten years ago, hence the bad memory part.

>>160232279

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>>160231971

Your cheering is not loud enough anon. How will we ever hear it?

>>160232269
>he also gets nightstalker

I honestly might just suicide him

he's worshipping fucking quazlal

stealth is impossible

>>160232859
>implying LOS reduction is only good with stealth

>>160232467
>>160232559
>>160232596
I honestly feel a great affinity for Adom. It's an amazing example of what roguelikes COULD be. Expansive, interesting, multiple side-dungeons, an epic quest, tons of customization and options, and well-developed generation systems for everything under the sun.

All implemented incredibly badly, mind you, but I feel like it reaches and achieves more than Crawl or Angband or any other RL really ever could. Adom dared to dream big and show us what we could really do if we just put our minds it.

>>160232859
nightstalker quazlal is the greatest combination in the game you goddamn pansy

>>160232859
LOS decrease is pretty good in DCSS anon.

>>160232948
i absolutely agree that it has an amazing bunch of ideas
but the sole problem lies with the fact that they are executed in such a godawful way that it ruins any experience that could be gleaned from playing it

and biskup is a cunt

>>160232859
this is a good thing

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Around mummies, praise their tummies

>>160232948
>reaches
yes
>achieves
lol

>>160233239
>>160232971
>>160232962
>>160232941
wait

does the LOS reduction not mean that monsters can see me from the regular distance, while I'm blind to them?

>>160233725
no
sight is reciprocal

>>160232948

ADOM is just a worse Elona+

>>160233946
elona is just a weeb game not a real roguelike

>>160233789
sheeeeeit

good to know for the future, thanks

>>160233990

Elona is more of a roguelike than ADOM. Every roguelike feature of Elona is waaaay better than ADOM.

>>160234181
But ADOM is ascii

>>160234181
weeb
autism
farmvile
game

>>160234642

Whenever I play a real roguelike like Crawl and PCB, I always farmville splats for 3 hours straight cuz baddie.

>>160234910
stop posting

>>160234181
it even lets u respawn instead of doing that meanie permadeath thing !! xD

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no bullies allowed above this line and you have to read the thread upside down until the next thread

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>>160235372
if a felid wears a fursuit, is it still degenerate

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>>160235497
only if it also summons furry demons
obviously

>>160234642

>implying roguelikes of any kind aren't played by autists

Are the demonspawn bodyslot mutations as worthless/negative as they seem? You lose an armor slot, which is both AC and any enchantments you could find, for a shitty auxiliary attack that is completely inconsequential. The only one that seems halfway decent is Antennae because at least that gives you intrinsic See Invisible.

>>160236398
yeah bodyslot mutations are mostly negative
but it's not like you're getting rng screwed: ds always get exactly 1 bodyslot mut, unless they're monstrous in which case they get 3

this is why people hate monstrous demonspawn: not only do they lose out on getting a scales mutation, but they ALSO get 2 more shitty "lose an armor slot" mutations

they'd probably still be worse than normal ds if they got scales

>>160236398

Doesn't matter. "Can I win this or not" is the only question you should ask yourself and the answer is always yes unless you're a shitter.

can zombies see in the dark now?

>>160236746
Thanks for the absolutely useless input.

>>160236805
cdda? that would be op as fuck
go into city at night -> get snuck up on and gangbanged to death, every time

>>160236805
Some of them can. Shady zombies have high night vision and low day vision. The predator line has some as well, I think.

>>160236827

It's a fitting answer for a useless question. What answer do you expect from a question about non-issues?

>>160237076
>>160236951
oh
I just realized my shopping cart had no wheels for some reason and I was dragging it around and the whole fucking town was after me

>>160237104
I wanted to know if I was interpreting it wrong. If I was missing some benefit, some way to make those mutations useful.

You just wanted to fellate yourself.

>>160237436

>a shitty auxiliary attack that is completely inconsequential

You knew this fact because you were wikifagging and yet here you are asking for more information about non-issues. Just how much spoonfeeding do you need before you're satisfied and actually play the game already?

>>160237436
stop posting

Lesson learned: RF+ and flame cloud immunity does not make it safe to read immolation to deal with Robin and her annoying ass army. Rip.

>>160238160
immo explosions aren't just flame clouds. retard. die.

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>decide to fork cdda and compile it myself
>now I can merge in all of the updates days before they get accepted into the main branch
>I can remove pointless bullshit without having to blacklist it (bye bye fursuits)
>I can meme
wew

>>160238315
I did! Spectacularly.

>>160238359
shit does like 50 damage per explosion
beware the immolation

>>160238325
>/rlg/ terrorists intentionally shitting up C:DDA
i'll never update again

>>160238160
>since I'm wearing my Kevlar vest, I should be fine detonating this hand grenade while I sit on it!

>>160239858
it's not obvious that inner flame causes an explosion that's separate from the flame clouds

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how come every time i play a spellbook class i get #3 from Ubbo?

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>>160240104

>not obvious
>chunks of meat just decided to fly everywhere I'm sure it doesn't mean anything

>>160240268
disint and ood also cause flying chunks of meat without exploding anything

>>160240243
Do you have some weird mental disorder that causes you to write "Smaug" as "Ubbo"?
If not, it is just because you are lucky.

Or Chris fucked with the dungeon rewards and made a mistake in 5.0.x.
Or Chris buffed the player in 5.0.x, which is unlikely.

>>160240328
If you've seen immo go off before, the "explosion engulfs" message should probably have clued you in.

>>160240328
Disintegration really should be renamed detonation

Are there any roguelikes where you play as an animal and do animal stuff? Getting a little tired of of all the wanton killing

speaking of disintegration

someone play a pcb necromancer, scum up the Hand of Vecna and the Crown of Beruthiel, and post their 4000-damage disintegration touches

>>160240632
you can play as an iron age finnish peasant hunting/fishing for survival and shit in UnReal World

Lesson learned: DO NOT POLYMORPH SIGMUND.

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made me squeal what a great way to start playing

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>>160241050
RETURN OF THE ASSGUTTER
CHEIFAGS
B T F O
T
F
O

>>160240974
polymorph grinder instead

>>160241050
nice identified consumables
not that it would help

>2017
>rlg still arguing about AC vs EV

does paralysis in elona LITERALLY (LITERALLY) do anything at all?

>>160241194
someone post the assgutter pic

>>160241050
>b-but EV is better than AC for avoiding high damage attacks!!!!

>>160236398
antennae 3 and claws 3 are both almost always better than their respective slot

the others not so much, but ds have no problem late game

>>160241949
Having 20/30 is better against big damage attacks than 30/20.
Having 1/40 and 40/1 are both equally terrible.
It's just that 40/1 pretty much never happens, while 1/40 is pretty much the distinct trait of several races.

>>160241050
"good" "defenses"

What does /v/ think of Necropolis brutal edition?

In PCB, should I focus on STR or DEX as archer/ranged? Or both? I'll need STR anyway to carry all these fucking heavy arrows.

>>160242423
maybe you should to go that board and ask them anon

hopefully in a thread that the game is actually relevant to

>>160242615
as archer? str so you can carry your fat stacks of seeker bolts

dex improves accuracy and thus crit chance but ranged is much less stat-dependent than melee, so i usually focus con after that

as an archer your main power progression comes from a.) finding good weapons
b.) getting higher levels so you can get better shit from Create Ammo

stats have a relatively small effect

>>160242717
STR it is then, a full stack of these fuckers weight more than a medium weight armor/weapon goddamn.

oh yeah, levels also affect the amount of extra shoot speed you get and the max you can enchant arrows/bows to at the town service

you should have a maximally enchanted shooter as soon as you can afford it, and at least some max-enchanted arrows for big targets

and make sure to spam Create Ammo on every single skeleton you find

early on it can give you ammo much better enchanted than you can otherwise find, and eventually you start having chances for good shit like branded or seeker/mithril ammo

>>160242856
There's a enchanter at 2nd town yeah? Remember seeing one in my past life. Guess I'll go there after I get a stack/weapon and the first 2 quests done, thanks.

Started playing Tales of Maj'Eyal the other night and it was quite nice. Any beginner tips I need to know? I'm vaguely familiar with roguelikes but have played a lot of lites (Enter the Gungeon is dope btw)

>>160243143
>TOME
>Gungeon
pottery

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Snake is truly worse than hell.

>>160243519
*heck

>>160231771
Tenpad?

>>160243492
???

>>160243592
Sorry, h*ck.

>>160243143
the "normal" dungeon progression is really unintuitive and you might have to look it up on the wiki

basically the low level dungeons (which you want to do early) are spread out all over the map, and the dungeons right next to the starting dungeon you just finished are usually too high level

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>>160242328

Bladehands and 10 AC seem to be enough for Depths.

>>160244609
56 hp next to an alich isn't the point you think it is, especially with 10 ac

I only played like 5 minutes of ToME because I got like a million errors from their fucking retarded engine and noticed that you need to play to unlock shit and also it looked absolutely fucking terrible like the art was made by some fucking autist with no sense of aesthetics at all, none

but I ask you rlg, why do you dislike it so much gameplay wise? what other horrific bullshit did I miss by only playing it for 5 minutes?

>>160244701
>I only played like 5 minutes of ToME because I got like a million errors from their fucking retarded engine and noticed that you need to play to unlock shit and also it looked absolutely fucking terrible like the art was made by some fucking autist with no sense of aesthetics at all, none
is this not enough?

>but I ask you rlg, why do you dislike it so much gameplay wise? what other horrific bullshit did I miss by only playing it for 5 minutes?
shit that instant kills you as soon as it gets into range

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Post incoming splats

>>160244840
shadow of the wyrm?
nice, haven't seen that posted in a while

>>160244767
>be bad
>die
>cry
???
?

>>160244870
Yep, it's Shadow of the Wyrm. Have this character dump too

pastebin.com/nLrAQiFH

I hope Julian fixes the bug with the dump not correctly IDing items while blinded.

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>>160244701
ToME4's "tab" button is replaced by up to 15 different buttons. Now normally I am all for move-set variation (tab levels are pretty brutal in many other roguelikes), but really you just press these 7-15 different buttons in the same order every fight, over and over.

The dungeons feel exactly the same every time, their layouts are boring, and the early game is more repetitive than PosChengband (Do T1 dungeons, do T2 dungeons and quests).

There is never a reason to fight roaming adventurer parties, since they can potentially just ass-gutter you getting the right combination of mods. Optimally you should always avoid them, unfortunately, this makes navigating the over map a pain in the ass.

Too many meaningless numbers and items. If I wanted to get autistic about 3% improvements to 2 stats at a time, I would play Diablo II or Path of Exile with some friends and actual enjoy a semi-social experience while indulging.

2 practically guaranteed extra lives.

I think of ToME4 as a bad linear RPG. It's terrible as a rogue-like.

Also this:
>fucking retarded engine and noticed that you need to play to unlock shit and also it looked absolutely fucking terrible like the art was made by some fucking autist with no sense of aesthetics at all, none

>>160245423
wew, thanks for elaborate response, anon

number 1 problem with tome IMO is the whole "legions of trash enemies that you can probably oneshot with the occasional ultraturboelite who can oneshot you"

especially since you basically have to read the character sheet of each elite to see whether they're an ultraturboshitwrecker or a glorified melee creep with some shitty sustains

what god for MuNe? I don't want to rely on hordes of minions if possible.

>>160246069
Gozag Ym Sagoz

Who here hype for Jupiter Hell?

>PCB jelly
>only 8 slots available

NO
GIVE ME MORE SLOTS
I NEED TO PUT THINGS IN THEM

>>160246378
>Sagoz
wot

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>>160246558
Oh god don't remind me.

>>160246692
>some tiny dots on edges
The fuck is wrong with your brushes?

Juggernaut REEEEEE

>>160245262
Holy mother of Uskayaw

source

>>160246859
Sometimes I use the sharpen filter a couple times after using paintbrush just to bother people.

>>160243519
Snake is quite easy if you have lots of rPois and some MR

Just get a few at a time and shoot them down with your bow

What's the best god?

>>160247217
Beogh

>>160247217
for what combo
>>160246869
http://www.gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=3177885

>>160247325
TrBe, unarmed with large rocks

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Was DCSS better when you had 27 dungeon levels?

Did any cool monsters disappear? Do you lose out on a lot of loot now?

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>mfw playing GhBe UC for the first time because it's nemelex choice
>>160247364
desu I don't know, but I hope someone more knowledgeable will tell
>>160247487
it sure was longer, more tedious and boring

>>160247487
Jesus Christ what the fuck is that rcfile doing.
That shit is lolilover tier.

Why are ironbrand convokers so based? Just make it tag along you and he'll pull you """""intelligent""""" freexps FOR FREE. Holy shit, not even doom hounds can compete with this bro.

Why are DEBe so weak? Fucking adders kill them even when berserk.

How much does luck matter in DCSS? I believe I have bad luck.

>>160209382
Crawl's the most accessible visually, it has a long game length with a lost of distinction, there's a lot of combos, and it's easier to find whacky items and situations to post screens of. Sil, IA, Dynahack, Brogue, dda it's just well I fugged up so here's my @ that's the same as every other time someones @ got got. Even if it's not, the best the post can hope for is a neat and they move on. That's why I could never get forrays, Sil or Infra arcana to be the fotm

>>160210860
Well guess why you suck so bad. It's cause you don't buy dem sweet gondolins bb
Sue me, I like killing the packs of item droppers that respawn

>>160247776
See, one off of quads.

The RNG gods hate me.

Any non-Roguelike games like ToME? With a lot of interesting abilities and fun classes. I don't care about balance. I just want to go adventure and trap dudes in dream dimensions and shit.

>>160203820
>likes ivan
>thinks adom is trash

Jesus Christ, anon.

>>160247931
the rng had about as much to do with not getting quads in /vg/ as it had to do with your last crawl death, anon

>>160248052
Rekt.

>>160218916
Yeah, they're pretty good and get better the more evo you get. Plus, who doesn't like a ghetto +4 slaying?

>>160236805
Avoid night looting regardless until you have high night vision. It's more important to see horde spawns or a static hulk before it kills you than it is to get a couple more hours worth of smelly socks. One day you will find the hulk with your face. Even if you manage to recover from horrifying pain, speed drop, and stat drop to kill or escape it you then have to escape everything near you while barely/not being able to see them at all. On top of that, if you used a shotgun, med caliber smg, or large caliber pistol to kill the hulk it's like 80% you sped up the horde timer and it's near and coming to investigate the sound.

>>160240632
Drakefire chasm? If you have a little skill or willpower, making a coffeebreak rl and hawking it for 3 sheckles on steam or something would be a good way to spend some time.

>>160241779
Yeah, it paralyzes them. It's one of the most important things to get an immunity item for asap. If you have nerve weapons or spells and nightmare it's a good way to really fuck stuff over.

>>160243143
Follow the pastebin for it.

Haven't played any roguelikes in a year or two. Is DCSS shit now, or what?

>>160248250
DCSS' quality hasn't changed for the last two years.

>>160243704
He's saying that you have garbage taste, anon.

>>160248370
Maybe it's been longer then. Anyway, why am I being told that the newer versions aren't as good as it used to be?

>>160248250
DCSS has always been shit, anon.

>>160248426
>pick a game to start initiating myself in the genre
>garbage taste

Right?

>>160248524
Because people get burned out on DCSS and mis-attribute their distaste to the game changing, when it is in fact them who is changing.

You will notice that almost no one here actually plays old versions of crawl.

In CDDA can you make a vehicle that carries another vehicle like a non-foldable bike in a truck yet?

>>160248643
Hey, you're the one who seemed confused by his post. I personally don't mind TOME all that much, and think it's an okay beginner roguelike. Although I would rather recommend Brogue or DoomRL to people new to RLs.

>>160245423
TOME 2.3.5 was fucking great though. What happened? Did someone different take over the project between then and now or something?

>>160248802
because, in all fairness, "pottery" is a bit fucking vague, wouldn't you agree

anyway thanks for the recommendations. do I need a numpad for DoomRL? I'm at work and dont have a full size keyboard with me but I wanna play some on my lunch

>>160248250
More features you like are gone. More convenience changes are in. Read the blog, read the changes.txt and play trunk then play older versions until you find your graveyard to settle in

Fucking keywords

>>160248710
Nope A ton more stuff folds now though and it's not like you don't have an onboard to just shove 2 parts in at the edge of town.

>>160249005
Haven't played it in a while, but I don't believe so. Most roguelikes have inputs for getting around not having a numpad, and there's always rebinding if that's needed.

>>160249005
>>160249081
Oh, and make sure to use headphones if you're able. DoomRL has excellent sound work, and has directional sounds that can actually help you out a bit.

>>160249081
>>160249315
Oh that's dope, thanks man, may RNG gods bless your next run

>>160249005
Heavily recommending that you check out the "what to play?" pasta in the OP, a fair bit of work has been put into it and its a pretty good resource for spoiler-free recommendations.

Anyone got a tl;dr on making macros in pcb? I'd like to play a caster without having to sacrifice my hand to do it

Is Caves of Qud worth the $10?

>>160250173
No. Go ahead and download the free ascII version if you wish

>>160250079
Read the in-game help, macros are really easy to setup

Getting back into Frozen Depths, and am suddenly remembering that it's one of the best roguelikes I've ever played. I don't see it talked about ever here, so I'll say that those of you who may not have played it really owe it to yourself to give it a try.

dcss circus animals is pretty fucking fun holy shit
and you know how much damage a thing does

>>160250513
Sorry, I missed interact with macros keybind in the list of commands like 6 times

>>160250516
You gotta post screens and shit to get people into it

>>160249005
> do I need a numpad for DoomRL
You can use home-end-pgup-pgdn for diagonals or rebind for vi-keys. And don't bother trying to play without diagonals, Doom is all about circle strafe dodging.

>>160249005
>>160250672
>don't bother trying to play without diagonals
Just don't bother playing DoomRL at all and go play Doom

>>160250978
Why even play anything other than Doom when you could be playing Doom?

>>160251092
I wanted spooky tacticool and Hideous Destructor was fuckign with me so I went to play STALKER

>>160251092
I'm pretty sure there is a DoomRL mod for Doom actually.

>>160251204
Yup, and a random level maker. And a RPG mod compatible with the RL mod.

>>160251204
DoomRL Arsenal. It goes really well with Oblige (random map generator for Doom) and self imposed permadeath.

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>>160248524

>newer versions

It has something to do with Haste removal.

>Get mememutated
>"You sometimes teleport next to monsters :^)"
>Chug all potions of clear mutations
>Clears all mutations but that one
>Proceeds to get TP'd inside a room full of monsters until out of TP scrolls
Every fucking time, how do I git gud against this fucking bullshit? besides praising Jelly overlord

DCSS, if not obvious

>>160251870
Play bulky instead of glass cannon?

>_You fall through a shaft for 3 floors!!!

how is it still not removed?

>>160252416
I agree. fakelangs are an abomination.

>>160252241
I do play bulky... Minotaur Fighter, equal skills in Fighting, Armor and Shields after hitting melee speed cap, picking up Trog ASAP, berserker panic button fails eventually

Always kills my runs unless I go Jelly Monk

>>160252416

Don't worry, those excess exclamation points are bloat and would be removed soon.

>>160252664
It's not a panic button you doof. Keep trog's hand up and summon some brothers. You have such amazing apts it's easy for you to handle shafts. Having such a diesel god makes it even easier

does troll armor and regen amulet stack in crawl?

>>160253418
ALL REGEN STACKS

>>160252416
>TACTICAL and INTERESTING scenarios

>>160253418
If you don't start using the wiki and pastebin's more in this niche you're cruisin for a bruisin kiddo

Where can I get spray can in cdda?
Also, What strateges can you inform me about fighting against city zombies?

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take it easy

>>160254516
Subways

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So I gain a new spell randomly every 5 levels or something?

>>160254581
do that online not offline and see what happens!
also ugly font
congratulations, anon

>>160255518

I would if it didn't require me 10 hours or more to finish a single game

>>160257270
Solution: don't be brazilian.

After a few (3 rune) victories in DCSS what other roguelikes should I look into?
I'm somewhat interested in Nethack and Angband, and their variants. What would you recommend?

T. a DCSS babby

>>160259376
Brogue Sil dynahack infra arcana forays into norrendin

>>160259539
I really like this meme because those games are actually the best in the genre except for forays

>>160259797
Forays and Dynahack are both pretty bad.

>>160259539
>>160259797
>brogue
>sil
>minimalistic elegant tactical memegames
>good

>>160260006
but dyna is literally nethack improved w/o bloat that many other forks add
>>160260052
exactly, they're good, very good

>>160260052
>this post
>greentext and buzzwords and memes
>worth making

>>160260189
Nethack is extremely bad.
I will take back what I said about Dynahack and Forays though. They are not pretty bad. Merely mediocre.

>>160260318
are there good roguelikes in your opinion? what are the best in the genre? what is your favourite rl?

maybe we should create a strawpoll and add it to OP so we can agree on rlg's favourite roguelike

>>160260450
All the other ones he recommended are the best the genre has to offer.
Putting Dyna and Forays with IA/Brogue/Sil is beyond ludicrous.

what god for VpEn?

>>160260621
What about CataclysmDDA though?

>>160261091
Oka dith hep chei makh sif ash

>>160261187
Not a roguelike?

>>160261091
Ashenzari, Makhleb, Kikubaaqudgha, Dithmenos, Sif Muna, Okawaru, Ru, Uskayaw, Hepliaklqana.

>>160261187
Why are you even here?

>>160260219
Brogue and Sil are memegames and calling them the best in the genre is an insult to the genre.

>>160262015
>The most roguelike games are memegames
Wew lad

>tfw your favorite roguelikes aren't roguelikes

>You skewer the black bear like a kebab!!!!!!!!!
holy fuck how many exclamation marks can you get?

>>160231771
You're supposed to buy a numpad separately

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

UNSEEN HORROR ON LEVEL 7?

FUCK OFF

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>temple is supposed to be somewhere between D:4-7
>it's not there
the only area I didn't uncover at those floors is pic related, could it be there somewhere? that would be absolute fucking bullshit

Where can I find a good build guide for the current version of DoomRL?

>slain by Ijyb

>...wielding a +6 club

lol

>12 exclamation marks
seriously, is there a limit?

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Which one should I wield as a lvl 14 MiBe who's done lair and is going for Orcish mines next?

>>160265607
Y - a +4 halberd of distortion.

>>160265571
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!