/rlg/ - Roguelike General

Yeek

What would a multiplayer game designed by roguelike devs be like?

wtf is a yeek

>>160059465
A niglet

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Remember. Hero worship is pathetic and bad for you.

Dicku worship on the other hand is good and just.

All hail Dck, king of kings, who bravely sat aside and contemplated the meaning of the fist as his apostoles paved the way for the fall of the Devil's team.

Snake is amazing. A branch so tedious it makes you want to die rather than keep playing

>>160059440
tedious

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>>160059465

Trying out that runesword fairy in pseudo. Everything seems to work fine except, for some reason, running. Pressing . does literally nothing.

I am baffled.

>>160060037
>Everything seems to work fine except, for some reason, running
the save has roguelike keys enabled. Disable them in the options.

>>160060037
Nevermind, there's an alternate command set in the options that's on by default.

dragonslayer in doomrl

how wield

>>160060316
be berserk
have levels in brute
get naked and drop your whole inventory

>>160060515
that's the old way

you can't trick me

>>160060675
the old way was just "be beserk"

you have to be naked and poor now too

>>160015035

man becomes woman wallet
woman becomes meat toilet
both are ugly and disgusting
that's why many people prefer to stay single

>>160060839
fine, i'll try it

t-time to play on nightmare for the first time

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Turns out a game gets boring after you streak 12 wins in it.

Hopefully someone more autistic will beat my record because I don't plan on trying again.

>>160061646
Why don't you give Ferret some design advice?
What a fucking autist lmao.

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>>160057285
>>160055378
Have a rough doodle. I planned to add a ton of extra weapons but wanted to keep it simpler
>>160056949
Sounds like it might be fun to try come up with something for both, though I might get lazy with Yred.
>>160057359
Tell me more if you can, sounds interesting, or was your image post in >>160055330 all there was to it?
>>160057183
Oho. And here I was thinking yeek were elona-centric. Might be fun to try do one either way.

>>160059945
But roguelike design is all about reducing tedium.

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I think I may be retarded.

I took Krav Maga as my self defense style in Cataclysm and I can only feint and not hit. What am I doing wrong? I just started.

>>160062425
Feint means you missed.

Either you have a ton of torso encumbrance, or you're trying to punch a rat or something.

>>160062425
You are reading too many guides and not crashing and burning enough.

Remember, the most fun you can have in a roguelike is by heading face first into it and learning as you go, reading how to win or break the game will make you regret it later on.

After you uncover the unknown theres no way to cover it again so the thrill of the mistery will be dead forever.

>>160062775
Thanks. Maybe if I didn't have my fucking winter coat on i'd be better off.

>>160062815
I just read the sticky for good traits to take and I just want to make sure i'm utilizing them well so I can see more of the game faster.

I'll take your word for it and make sure I don't look anything else up, though.

>>160063121
The best way to go is to try out things on you own based on logic and then if you really can't figure it out then just check out on that particular part on the wiki so you can continue on with the adventure.

>you can't skin zombies and fashion an undead costume in dda
>filth doesn't hurt morale at the advantage of making you less noticeable to the undead
>you can't sleep in a pile of pulped zombies to gain stench
Why is DDA so close minded?

BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT THE MUMMY

>>160062425
Pump STR, take muay thai. 2 shot hulks with your leg kicks of annihilation.

>>160063784
CONGRATULATE THOSE WHO POUND THE TUMMY

>>160062815
I always check all the spoilers everytime I play a new roguelike

It's strange because I only do it with roguelikes, with other games I mostly just check early tips and then try to figure things out on my own

what is it with *bands and having like 20 variants on the same enemy?

>>160061646
game?

>>160064659
No idea but it makes me want to fall asleep
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

>>160064840
dude i know ur trying to nap but there's like 20 zombies on your post right now

>>160064659

It's the result of tolerating bloat instead of removing them immediately.

>>160064606
it's kind of the opposite of what makes sense too

if you screw up nethack you just die and start a new run (which you're gonna do a billion times anyways), whereas in non-roguelike rpgs you might permanently miss out on shit without spoilers

I'm on a real bad luck spree. What do you do to break the mojo, Anon?

>>160066023
just stop playing for a while, drink a cup of coffee or something, clear ya mind

>>160064606
my general rule is that if a roguelike needs a wiki, it probably has enough problems it's not worth playing anyway

You guys keep saying to put everything into dex but strength gives me more dodge in crawl

>>160066224
dude i agree
see: wikipedia

>>160066023
stop playing when drunk and/or tired

>>160066226
that's because you're wearing heavy armour or have really low strength with medium armour

>>160066325
>see: wikipedia
>>>/r9k/

How to play roguelites
>play blind
>die to something
>look that thing up
>repeat

How to play roguelikes (aka ADOM and nethack)
>spent 50hours reading all the spoilers
>shitpost in /rlg/
>call out crawl for being shit

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>>160066562

>>160066016
I guess I do it because of permadeath

I want to maximize my chances of winning, so I check the spoilers

Losing 20 hours of progress because I died to something that I didn't know anything about isn't very fun to me

I don't like missing stuff permanently in other games either, so I might make an exception and check out a guide if I know that I can miss something very important

>>160066583
to crawl's credit, it is a lot better at the no spoilers required thing than it used to be

>>160066879
Its still insane that it took them until last year to even allow you to read monster spell descriptions

Is there actually a roguelike that severly punishes you for not knowing something instead of just making stuff easier if you know it

>>160066583
ADOM isn't a roguelike

>>160067176
ADOM

>>160066879
>tfw you have to literally make spreadsheets to calculate armour levels
How hard is it to implement something that tells how much the armour affects your EV/spellcasting

>>160067176
adom banshee straight up loses you the game

>>160067065
yeah there is no excuse for them taking as long as they did

>>160067358
hopefully webtiles having an in-game irc bot that tells you all the formulas (but they can't put them in the game! that would be too confusing!) continues to put pressure on dumb shit like this

Why do people even play ADOM

>>160067526
because the roguelike genre is so wholly stagnant that people will play even the shittiest games

>>160067526
Why do people even buy ADOM

>>160067376
shit like this is why adom is terrible btw

>>160067526
Because its a good game with lots of content which lets you become a literal god both plot and mechanical wise

>>160067176
nethack cockatrices are a classic

>>160067690
oi biskup

>>160067690
go to bed biscuck

>>160067176
well there's always the classic Angband "hmm what is a drolem it's probably a chump like all the other g's in the game" (it breathes poison for 900 damage and will oneshot players who don't resist)

or nethack where actually figuring out how to win the game without reading spoilers is extremely difficult and i think involves pissing all your money away at the Oracle over multiple runs

Crawl still needs spoilers to actually know how dangerous a spell is
Knowing the description for LCS doesnt tell you that it deals 100dmg

Do we actually like or dislike ADOM

>closed source commercial roguelike
we hate it

>>160068410
le spellpower meme
le learndb meme
le every spell has a different accuracy formula, but you don't need to know them :) meme

>>160068615
We dislike the game but we dislike the creator even more

>>160068615
Its the worst of the old school roguelikes but still a good game

There is a reason why there are so many nethack and angband ripoffs but not a single adom ripoff

>>160069315
probably because adom is closed source

>>160069315
closed source
and the only thing you can glean from adom is how not to design a game

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>>160064073
>>160063784
mummy tummy

what is the best weapon to pain brand if a quick blade isn't available?

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ebin

>>160069617
whatever hits the fastest, obviously.

>>160069645
>unid scrolls
>not just shafting yourself immediately
>or digging into the wall

>>160069859
I did, but just think if I didn't have those options.

>>160069645
if you have remove curse you should wear id rings

>>160069645
Why the fuck do crawl queen bees fly

>>160069859
>not just shitting yourself immediately
I know that would be my first reaction.

>>160069950
>>160069859
I read unid scrolls, wear id anything that's wearable.

I save identify scrolls almost exclusively for potions.

>>160069645
fr: make bees vulnerable to holy

>>160069645
READ IMMOLATION
HIT THEM

>>160069617
if you're doing shortblades, rapier

>>160069645
I thought you arent able to be shafted into vaults

>>160070261
vault creators can specifically set areas as "no random tele into", which also prevents shafting etc

but that's not set by default

>>160064667
daemon

>>160067176
druglike

Do you guys wait until you have 2 of a scroll before you readID them or do you go straight ahead and read it?

>>160069536
Cute mummy, would ask to have feet evoked.

>>160070786
2 in case you need to get that random read id tele or fear

>>160070786
well what's the use in identifying a scroll that you can't read anymore

i only use 1-of scrolls if i'm in a shitty situation and panic-using consumables hoping for blink or tele

>>160060515
Oh I get it now

Unholy Cathedral nukes when you kill everything, so you lose all your items if you actually bust your nuts and do this before killing the last guy, and then it turns out that you don't even meet the reqs to spawn the Dragonslayer, much less wield it

Good thing I just used Cheat Engine to give myself infinite health, and later, infinite invincibility orb duration so that I don't have aneurysms trying to grind at DoomRL Nightmare

>>160066583

This is why Elona+ is the greatest roguelike. In Normal mode, you could just experience 400 hours of dying again and again and actually learning (no wikicodefagging) every single knowhows in the game while still progressing steadily.

Then play Inferno mode and get to Act 3 in a jiffy as proof that you know the game. Truly no other roguelike is as flexible and more appealing than Elona+

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REAL PURITAN HOURS

SMASH DAT MUTHA FUGGIN RECITE BUTTON

>>160071343
why not just spawn yourself a dragonslayer sword if you're cheating anyways
why do thigns the stupid way

>>160067690
suck my pancake batter bisquick

Why doesnt crawl have wishes

>>160071860
it has ?acq which is sort of like wishing but shittier

>>160069315
elona

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>>160071860
>implying worshipping xom isn't a series of long forced wishes you didn't know you wanted

>>160071860

It's cheating = no drawbacks = scummy

>>160071670
I'm not good at cheat engine, so changing or spawning entire items or whatever isn't something I know how to do

>>160069536
*unzips dicku*

>>160067218
>ADOM isn't a roguelike
explain this meme

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IS THERE A ROGUELIKE WHERE THERES YAMABIKOS THAT SHOUT AT YOU?

>>160073270
roguelikes aren't bad

>>160073528
YAMABIKO A SHIT

>>160059690

>MuMo

kek'd

>>160073549
>roguelikes aren't bad
jej

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>>160073587

>>160073528
Dirty dumb yamabiko scum.

>>160073549
I'm honestly ignorant of the context, and have been enjoying getting into ADOM. Is this just standard shitposting?

>>160075532
people enjoy things that are bad all the time
it just means that ur opinions are wrong

>tfw you try to have fun but you get banished to the abyss

alright what the fuck

how do you skill on gishes in crawl

I know how to win on elementalists: just skill (element) magic until your workhorse spells are up

and melee is (weaponskill) until weaponskill is good

but my fucking draconian transmuters are so fucking fragile and have no offensive power

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>playing elona
>check out the online "player log"
>anon died from hunger in the pupper cave
>anon: "FUCKING HUNGRY DEMONASDFALSDFHSADJF"

>>160076546

Alright but let me ask you a few questions first. I call it the Shitter Test.

1. What is the difference of lvl 3 UC to a lvl 9 UC?

2. What is the difference of 9 Fighting and 9 UC to 3 Fighting and 3 UC?

>>160077179
Damage

>>160077352

No. The answer to both of these questions is "Wow, it's fucking nothing!"

If you truly understand this, even OpTms and FeTms are merely a walk in the park.

>>160077697
it's a huge amount for UC
it's not that much for fighting

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>>160076714

>>160077750

And that is why you splat. You're still on your growing phase where you helplessly worship good apts, muh attackdelay, experience and the ability to wear armor as something so divine and omnipotent for melee'ing when in truth they're bloat.

>>160078084
>attackdelay
uc skill barely changes attackdelay

but a non-troll going from 3 to 9 UC will literally double the damage of their fists.

>>160078084
>bloat

filtered

>>160078152

I need more damage so I do not splat cuz baddie

>>160079223
damage is bloat
ac is bloat
skills above 12 are bloat
movedelay faster than 1.4 is bloat

also:
runes other than the ones in Hell are bloat
racial hp modifiers better than 60% are bloat

>>160079487
>>160079573
pls put on a trip so i can filter

>>160079658
just filter the word "bloat"
do scum too while you're at it

UI is bling
Spoilers are complexity
Bloat is gameplay

>>160069536
saved for future funposting

Just splatted at Vaults:5 now feeling sad and broken.
Is there any races that's not a complete pain in the ass like mummy or huge tablords like Gargoyles or minatours?

>>160083865
Hu
>inb4 boring / no flavor

When you think about it, isn't it kind of funny that permadeath is such a rarity in games these days that you actually define the entire roguelike / lite genre in part by the fact that it still has permadeath?

We used to call difficult, low-graphics games with permadeath "video games".

>>160069645
>d:7
>Unid'd multiple scrolls and potions
>Unid'd ring with rCurse
But... Why...

>>160084557
you can't identify items by pressing tab

>>160084269
But anon Hu are boring and doesn't have any flavor

>>160083865
Play a long blade VpEn of Battlemage Hep. Alternate between disabling foes and stabbing with a dagger swap, beating resistant foes with a scimitar, and your battlemage bullying a confused retard
Play a DrTm and before a dragon of your color
Play a DrCj and enjoy bulky casting.
Play a demonspawn berserker where it basically exchanges a limb for an intrinsic randart.Skill fighting until your first mutation so you know if you're monstrous or not.
Play a naga fighter for bulky shield shenanigans. Bonus points for getting 22-23 Evo and spamming disc of storms
Play a Centaur hunter and dakka storm
Play a HEAM and disable and slow foes while your hasted barrage of arrows slaughters them
Play a MiHu and fuck shit up with a crossbow
Play an OgWr and chuck large ruks enhanced by portal projectile
Play HOGl/Fi's and worship invocations gods for flavor and fun.

>>160084968
Or you know. Play a different game.

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>>160071635

>Hill orc of Zin
>not Beough

the absolute madman

>>160083865

Pic related, for you @non

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>>160084763

>Hu doesn't have any flavor

I strongly disagree. For one thing, this specific Hu tummy is surely to have the taste of sweat while still maintaining a faint feminine and sweet scent. Think of orchids, their scent is very subtle but fragrant; that is the nature of feminine Hu tummies. A gift of nature, perhaps even more so if it's from an older sister

>tfw no older sister to appreciate the sweet scent of nature with

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>>160085120
cute snek
would pound

>>160085172
incestanon why dont you just chop your dick off and become your OWN older sister

>>160085172
Human's kind of shit. Hybrid in general is bad and most species even out to neutral apts but have a safer earlygame and keep their racial benefits unlite humans when they spread out late game/extended. If you're going to hit stuff for most of the game there's no reason to not take say, a merfolk or hill orc over a human.

>>160084449
Permadeath isn't what defines roguelikes.

>>160084968
Thanks anon
>Demonspawn zerker
Tfw its my favorite combo and I splatted with that

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The variant mantainer's software bugs are good to level up the sword for a while.

>>160084449
it's the combination of permadeath and random generation

if you gameover in mario you still know where everything in world 1 is, how to find the warp pipes, etc.

>>160086584
i mean you're a swordmaster you can just go dive and tab shit

but holy shit software bugs are actually level 14, that's way higher than i thought they were

and your rune sword is as beefy as it can get from killing lvl14 enemies

Why is Cata so hard, i remember being able to cruise through it with no much issues but now that i forgot everything i am attempting a vanilla run and im gtting fuckin destroyed.

First run ended with me burning the entire shelter

Second run i went into a town at night and was found out by a shocker zombie and left to die

Third run i was checking bushes and a moose one shotted me through some trees

Fourth run and i was going strong, was getting some resources and was going to find some water but i noticed some weird dirt mounds that werent there last night and was greeted by a fucking giant worm which blew my head off in one swoop.

Is there a fucking guide around? What am i doing fucking wrong seriously. I need something to guide me.

>>160086350
Wait until the first time you get monstrous, start skilling UC, learn song of slaying, find a slaying randart cloak/ring/armor and leave your aux's off. Are you mad enough to play the most dangerous game of all???

>>160084449
>https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.games.roguelike.development/xEICB75s6iE
It's kind of a good thing. Permadeath in a <2 hour game is fine versus say having permadeath in a 120 hour final fantasy game. Sem-randomized dungeon design with meaningful features, wide variety of play styles, and good drop weighting allows for those replays to make a difference. Consider the differences between a replay of crawl and a replay of Halo where it's pretty much the same shit the same place for 15 hours until you don't fuck up.

ADOM, Poschengband, Elona, Nethack are poster childs for how permadeath doesn't work due to game length and spoilers.

>>160086762
>you can just go dive and tab shit
The third quest guardian is gachapin. I'd like to be prepared.

>>160086809
okay shit you can't dive that much

>>160086840
he's only on angband 20 I think. Or maybe 22.

>>160086782
Acid is more irresistible, pain is more debilitating, stat drops are far easier to rack up, dozens of more things add speed penalties, grabs have a speed and dodge penalty, enc penalizes rolls as a percentage, stats were nerfed to 14/14/14/14 being the average guy baseline instead of 8/8/8/8 like whales had it. You need to gear up in your shelter, skim the edge of town for freebie loots and use that to buy time to finish gearing up then exploit the fuck out of everything still not nerfed. Make two wood frames and build a shopping cart and if you didn't know, you can drop your storage item to lower enc and items will randomly tumble out until you're to your new max storage. Once you're established, never hold back or take risks because it can and will get you killed. Even after you have major painkillers, stimulants, submachineguns, zombie pheramones, explosives, high-tier high-coverage low-enc armor with morale book and enhanced memory banks assisted combat skills.

Darn shame nobody would think of keeping a pastebin of FAQ's and intros in an easily accessible location. Guess we should work on that.

>>160086882
the third quest is 23

but the contest character has ironman_quests on, which means that you don't fail the quests by leaving the level early (but you can't skip them either. you MUST kill the quest monster before going deeper no matter what)

>>160087034
>no matter what
Well you can skip quests by teleporting deeper then them using the town service.
Fun fact, this increases the dishonourable virtue!

>>160087017
>14/14/14/14 being the average guy baseline
Oh?

>>160087532
He must have got it mixed around. Since 8/8/8/8 is the base setup nowadays.

>>160087629
Nope. Stats aren't close to as strong as they used to be.

>>160087683
Read again.

>>160087629
all 8s is the default before you spend points

but 14s are (apparently) the value balanced to be "average guy"

>>160087974
You get like 3 extra points on top of the starting 32 though.

Does disabling 'static spawn' in DDA make the zombies spawn dynamically or not spawn at all?

>>160087740
Maybe you should? 14 is the baseline the game is set against basically.

>>160088305
Dynamically though it's likely increasingly buggy from being an unsupported legacy feature at this point.

>>160088375
So there's no way to have some healthy medium between static and wanderspawn clusterfuck?

Is Marvin done removing features yet?

>>160088490
Nope and if you experienced getting a horde dropped on you just out of your LoS every 20 minutes for 2-3 weeks until you deplete the regions zombie count you'd like static+wander too.

>>160088781
MarvinPA is a good dev. Lasty, dpeg, and PleasingFungus are the ones you have to watch out for.

>>160088375
14 average is impossible unless you're playing with free distribution.

>>160089017
Anything but your 6 point allocate to anything is heresy implemented by faggots that never should have been let near dda.

Okay, wait, what the fuck why is skill rust off by default?
Did skills get reworked?
Also why does having sub-10 perception not give me a to-hit penalty tooltip anymore?
Why can't these faggots settle on anything for more than a month?

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WHAT

>>160089178
Anyone could have toldyou there was something fishy about that room.

>>160089140
Because they're fucking faggots. Darkling gave up the ghost ages ago. Granade got a kid. Rivit has drank leaded water for decades. Coolthulu is but a man in a asylum of madmen.

>>160089140
>why is skill rust off by default?
because it's a shitty annoying feature that shouldn't exist, but if they just removed it entirely autists like you would cry so instead they kept it in as a legacy option

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>>160089594

>>160089178
Are you playing a rogue?

I know that trap is one of the burglary school "major traps", but I didn't think you could set your own ones off...

Just wait until book 4 when you get ancient dragon traps.

>>160089648
No, I'm playing the rune fairy.

>>160089669
well then how the fuck did you find a pirahna trap

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>>160089594
>I should just keep increasing in power without any effort
It saddens me to think there are people who never experienced acid rain, lightning strikes, sinkholes, puking in your sleep, no vehicle or craftable welder, and having to loot 14 towns to find basic tools

>>160089717
it was just standing there
I walked on it and boom
half my health gone and I had to teleport

why do you think I was suprised

>>160089749
You got DTrap up too. bizarre.

>>160089803
I *might* have simply kept pressing right and walked on it without noticing
I mean I was exploring

>>160089745
>shitty annoying tedium features that also happen to make the player weaker are automatically good

>>160089910
>I should just skyrocket into living god territory without leaving my starting town or doing anything other than farm, tailor, and punch zombies.

>>160089745
>I should have to train every day just to maintain my current level of skill
I bet you miss Stone Soup victory dancing, too.

>>160089140
Skill rust is retarded.

>>160090103
You hover at 8-10 easily just with the occasional beatdown which is more than enough. Breaking 20 combat skill without having to expend effort is retarded. All the crafts once you finish what you needed you never need it again until it's cbm time.

What are some cool builds for Beor edains?
Its the only house I never won with.

>>160090627
and forgetting how to bake a potato because you spent a week punching zombies instead of cooking is also retarted

>>160090794
Nice hyperbole senpai. Really showed me

I have freezing sling on my HaHu and just read scroll of brand weapon. Should I ignore it and keep freeze?

>>160090816
But that's literally (figuratively) what happens.

>>160090969
Low level rust is bearably slow and there's more "free" crafts at every level than ever. High levels requiring a little touchup is fine because you rarely use them.

>>160090954
If you didn't blow enchant weapon already just use it on the next blank greatsling you find to hope for whatever the ranged vorpal brand is called or elec.

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Still figuring out some non-magic monk techs.
Probably swapping this over to mystic at some point, making it subclass of it, I suppose.
( Pic related is the 50lv ability. attacks twice, never misses and pierces barriers, costs 100 mana or so. Has same energy-cost as double attack. )

>>160091294
>extreme tum pounding

>>160090627
Look. All it does is make memory banks mandatory. It doesn't add anything to the game.

>>160091716

tumposting was a harmless joke before the shitposters decided to take it to the next level

>>160092045
There has and always will be social pariahs, autists that cannot be reached - but they all are defeated by rlg always, for we have enduring autistic shit as a hobby

The "Lomias clean interface" link from Elona pasta doesn't load.
Woe is I

>>160092523
Welp, my mistake for using this pasta instead of /jp/'s
ALL IS WELL

>>160092654
Autists shitposted Elona out of here years ago and the pastas here never really recovered.

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>>160092808
Yeah well
My shit looks purdy now, so who cares
I need to find a nice PC sprite replacement though

>Lived at my town for a year
>Notice on the last day of the year there is a bookstore here

>>160090627
>Breaking 20 combat skill
The highest skill level I've ever gotten was 11 fabrication, from making all those swords. I've never had a combat skill that high.
Are we even playing the same game?

>>160094824
Yeah. I fight a lot and don't neglect my focus.

You easily get over 20 mechanics just making a good vehicle.

>>160095065
Uh, no.

>>160091361
Ryona?

Am i alone with ROTMG in here?

>>160095157
Uh, Yes, you do. If you're making an autism rig you'll get that high and higher even with skill rust on and no enhanced memory banks. Triple engine builds with at least 2 V12's are basically standard once you have such a large vehicle and larger zombies that can overwhelm lesser acceleration in groups become common. It's slower with combat but you'll rank combat skills way up by constantly keeping your focus high with books, music and food along with living a marauder playstyle to loot hard and fast. If you turn off rust that rapidly accelerates your skill growth cause you're not fighting rust when you take breaks. I know this is hard for an underaged kid like you to grasp but something doesn't cease to exist if you don't agree with it

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>in a raw
Did anyone ever proofread this
No, right?

>>160095224
Yeah, cause it plays a lot like https://archive.org/details/msdos_Rogue_1983

>>160071670
>>160072692
Managed to figure out how to change Doomguy's sprite and eventually what the game kinda thought was in his hands. Then it immediately crashed when I went into the equipment menu with a blank error item in my hands. Nice handling.

I really oughta figure out how to use this crazy tool more effectively.

>>160095521
The game was originally in Japanese and Noah or his friend or whoever he got to translate it isn't good with English.

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Th-this is better, right? 6EV scares me.

>>160096501
Of course.
Don't be a gargoyle.

>>160096501
CPA to scale is a very big downgrade. Depends on how much you've invested in armor

>>160096712
I have 9 Armour. The CPA gives me 16 more AC, but 10 less EV.

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Alright, swapped the abilities to mystic and made it two subclasses 'Way of the Mind' and 'Way of the Fist'. Former is original mystic, while latter is this. Basically they lose elemental attacks / summons, but gain other things instead.

>>160097374
>Way of the Mind
*tip*

Fucking hell, this depths:2 vault

I've been wearing it away with attrition but

WHY DO SPARK WASPS DO SO MUCH DAMAGE

WHY DO CAUSTIC SHRIKES HAVE SO MUCH HEALTH

IT'S A TINY METAL BIRD, IT SHOULDN'T TAKE 3 LCS TO KILL

>>160096501
rElec Slaying and Regen on a chestpiece, it's the fucking dream
Wrap it around your demon cock and never let it off

>>160097654
BECAUSE MUH SPHESSHUL SNOWFLEK MONHSTAH!

INTERESTING
__A
__C
__T
__I
__C
__A
__L SITUATIONS

Don't you like -64 corrosion?

>>160097262
If you want to use the CPA you definitely want more armor, around 20, and probably not any more dodging if you have at least 10 as just training armor will raise EV faster while wearing it

>>160097654
I can't believe caustic shrikes are harder to kill than golden dragons

I'm starting to believe constant removals in crawl are actually good
the game is too long for what it is
let's just make it Brogue with classes and races

>>160097654
Stop playing crawl. It's dead.

Even pcb is more fun at this point, and we all know how pcb plays.

>>160095627
>TURN BASED
HAVE YOU EVER FUCKING SEEN ROTMG

>>160099694
And it's flown right over your head

>>160099767
Do not bully the special kid.

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>>160099147
No. And I refuse to touch PCB. This is what I think of every time I see a stupid fucking screenshot from that game.

>>160099767
YES IT HAS

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>>160099890
Pshh. No way that's poscheng.

That's Slash'em extended.

>>160100007
SU is shit and the only good thing about it is the porn

>>160098462
Seriously, I paste a Golden Dragon with a crystal spear and it's nearly dead. I can just beat it to death with my staff.

Caustic Shrike? Better toss two more its way! Oooh, two missed, make it 5!

fuck off

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>>160100045
Well aren't you an angry little beaver.
Tell me where the tumblr touched you.

>>160100007
>>160100178
Oh god was amy the undertaleposter all along?

>>160100082
>Oh wow a low acc spell has trouble with a high ev enemy, didn't see this coming

>>160100178
But I like Undertale

I just hate SU

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>>160100082
You know you could just play .16 or whatever the version where shrikes and wasps and juggalos weren't around is?

>>160100213
Of course not.

>>160100291
Then we clearly have bigger problems in our hands.

>>160089745
>lightning strikes

>Hooray, the gas station I was hiding in caught fire and exploded
>What fun

>>160095436
>Triple engine builds with at least 2 V12's are basically standard
Okay, thank you for finally letting us know that you do live in your own world and can be ignored.

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It's like I'm playing anime character

>Pre- .17 Mummies don't get stat-ups every 5 levels
jesus how do you function without that extra points

>>160101627
Pre 0.17 mummies were intended to be just plain shit at absolutely everything, then their base stats were buffed through the roof and they were given stat ups so they wouldn't be as frustrating to play

>>160101924
Not to mention the .17 shields+unarmed buff

>>160101049
Am I getting trolled or do you just flail around with a beater then die before summer?

>>160102106
Can you not imagine a difference between needlessly absurd xbox-huge vehicles and just driving around something fresh off the street?

In pcb, can I save window and gameplay options etc so I don't need to set them again every time I make a different character? Pasta says they are saved to your character file but surely there's a way around that? please. Then again it's only 1 minute every time, but that's one hour every 60 characters goddamn. Who made these fucking options and UI.

>>160102360
Yes, because apparently because he's never built one he feels entitled to shitpost that what people regularly do in fact did not happen.

>>160102563
Use the same n

I came to a point when I fucking hate crawl, pcb, *hacks, anything anime, adom, cata, doomrl, rogue, brogue, anything android, anything paid

im fucking done with this fucking DEAD genre

just give me another mumo and someone to watch

>>160102824
What about Unreal World

>>160103072
looks like shit
also IA is boring
Sil is dull except for the ai but that just makes it annoying

>>160103163
What about IVAN

>>160103163
You have a terminal case of shit taste, anon. Modern science cannot help you

>>160102771
>Use the same n
Sorry I don't understand, could you explain?

>>160103494
literally too hard to be fun, too much bullshit deaths

>>160103681
What about Prospector?

>>160102824
Caves of Qud?

>>160103798
That's paid

>>160103668
yeah go back to your bloated, tedious, boring, flavorless, spoiler mandatory, bullshit difficulty, abandoned, weeb shit games

>>160103764
I dislike the setting

>>160103798
>paid, unfinished, bugged shit with retarded colors

>>160103864
>>160103897
>what is pirating

>>160103997
Give me a link to the latest version of OWH+

I'll be waiting

>>160103897
What about Infinite Cave Adventure

>>160102824
Just splatted one.

Some piece of shit GrFi died in lair 1 with 40 AC like an imbecile

>>160103675
Use the same name instead of constantly making new files every new game

>>160104169
I know, I watched you

>>160104082
>What about Infinite Cave Adventure
Yeah, IncaveAd is pretty good
I miss the days where we used to play and filled the first level with signs insulting oneanother

>>160104240
What's your name again
Yakui

run a .18 mumo, I'll spectate you
also I don't think you should look for an answer into a new game, you look like you're systematically hating on every single one until none remain

I suggest you read a book or learn to play an instrument or study
exams soon anon
I know I should be studying for analysis 1

>>160095436
>Triple engine builds with at least 2 V12's are basically standard
Yeaaah, despite the memes, I don't really think they are. I rarely install two engines, and I'm not sure if I've ever had three. At the point in game where I'd consider it an option, I've already pretty much won, so skill rust is no longer relevant. At that point, if I was playing with skill rust on, I could just install enhanced memory banks.
If you think skill rust significantly improves the game, feel free to turn it on. I won't judge. Out loud.

>>160103897
>Sil
>bloated
>flavorless
>spoiler mandatory
>bullshit difficulty
>abandoned
>weeb shit

>Infra Arcana
>bloated
>flavorless
>spoiler mandatory
>bullshit difficulty
>abandoned
>weeb shit

But seriously, I have no fucking idea what you don't consider "weeb shit" if you think Middle-Earth or the Cthulhu Mythos are weeb, or what you consider flavorful if a game literally set on a almost completely accurate Middle-Earth and filled with references to it is flavorless, or what you consider not bloated if either game is bloated in your eyes, or what you consider not to be abandoned if games in active development are abandoned to you, or whar you consider non-spoilery if a game with a skill that literally makes you auto-ID everything once purchased is spoiler mandatory

>>160104282
I know it's anime, but, have you tried MaiDenSnow Eve

>>160104484
"weeb shit" means "stuff I don't like" now

>>160104213
I am a retard, thanks god, all good now.

>>160104428
I was just shitting on roguelikes but in fact it's everything I try to do that doesn't bring me any joy because I'm seriously depressed and medication doesn't seem to work at all despite me not just relying on it as if it was a magic pill and actually trying things out and trying to bring some order into my life

>>160104484
I was just listing all the bad things about different roguelikes in general

>>160104629
What
No I'm not him
I'm just saying incavead is good

>>160104689
What about suicide

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>>160104689
>I was just shitting on roguelikes but in fact it's everything I try to do that doesn't bring me any joy because I'm seriously depressed and medication

Have you tried posting pony porn for half an hour trying to get banned? It worked for me.

But yeah
running from your life by playing roguelikes won't help, believe me

What's that, we talking about shit taste? Leave it to me!

Greatly enjoyed:
ADOM
Elona+
Poschengband

Enjoyed:
Nethack
IVAN (can't remember much, banana legs game yes?)
MaiDenSnow Eve

Disliked:
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup
One Way Heroics
ToME4
Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead
Caves of Qud
Dungeons of Dredmor
All Mystery Dungeon games

Can't remember or haven't played the rest.

>>160104689
Roguelikes don't bring you joy because it's been a while since they did. You use them strictly as a way of procrastination, and procrastination doesn't make people happy either in the short or long term, it just numbs you from the pains of life for as long as you can distract yourself doing it. Actively pursuing meaningful life goals does - if it doesn't, it's because you don't consider what you're doing meaningful in some level

>>160104689
Tell me anon, what makes you depressed

>>160104762
it's not that but, it's just this fucking anhedonia
but I did my research just in case it gets worse, thanks

>>160104885
I never know if any of those quotes by miyazaki are real

I'll just splat something random quickly on CXC and then try doing something else before meditating and going to sleep

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>>160105112
>All Mystery Dungeon games
You disgust me

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>>160105173
>I never know if any of those quotes by miyazaki are real
Yeah, I made them. They're subtitles.
It's the yellow ones that are fake.

>>160104689
That sucks. Medication worked for me, more or less. It didn't fix everything, but it does take the edge off.
Instead of sitting on the floor and thinking about hurting myself, I can now play video games. Occasionally, I even get work done.

>>160105112
>Pokemon has like 800 moves
>I know, let's scramble them even more in this spinoff crossover
I will end you for reminding me

>>160105332
one would argue that's exactly the same thing

>>160105267
I won't judge you for liking that series, it just ain't for me.

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>>160105173
what a start

yacatect followers: cool
other gods: probably smells bad

>go for a subtlety build in Sil
>find the kite shield of Hador
Literally every fucking time.

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>>160105173
If you ever want to really cement your desire to kill yourself, https://www.amazon.com/Kingdom-Dreams-Madness-Hayao-Miyazaki/dp/B00OHLR4JS

>"Granted near-unfettered access to the notoriously insular Studio Ghibli, director Mami Sunada follows the three men who are the lifeblood of Ghibli the eminent director Hayao Miyazaki, the producer Toshio Suzuki, and the elusive and influential other director Isao Takahata over the course of a year as the studio rushes to complete two films, Miyazaki s The Wind Rises and Takahata s The Tale of The Princess Kaguya. The result is a rare fly on the wall glimpse of the inner workings of one of the world s most celebrated animation studios creators of successful films including Princess Mononoke and the Oscar winning Spirited Away, the highest-grossing Japanese film of all time and an insight into the dreams, passion and singular dedication of these remarkable creators. "


It really deepened my sympathy for the ten thousand deaths of the true pharoah

Do all our shitposters secretly have crippling depression?

>>160105648
>amulet
that shit is haram

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Hey, you. What's your preferred font? I want to try something fresh, thanks.

>>160105648
thank you, downloading
will watch after I splat
>>160105751
I don't know about the others but this is my way of coping with reality, you know, hiding behind multiple layers of irony and all that edgy shit

>>160105648
>watch the final vod
>he actually wrote "thanks for watching /rlg/" before writing "everybody"

That's our pharaoh.

>>160105751
>2/2
It might be, but the test sample is ridiculously small.

>>160105831
Tell be about the Pharoah
Why does he wear the funny item that he can't use?

>>160105751
Take a wild guess.

>>160105848
Ubuntu mono, 22p

>>160105848
Wild Words

>3 (three) out of 3 of our shitposters are depressed

Is posting tummies the way you deal with the fact you're a disappointment to your family?

>>160105751
How do I know if I have depression? What are the signs, other than being here and shitposting?

>>160106272
Anhedonia, slightly impaired mental skills, low energy, suicidal ideation, insomnia, eating disorders

Is there any roguelike where killing myself is the best option?

Ok how can I finish Vault 5 with a Centaur Hunter
Just finished depths and :I still have no idea how to kill the Vault 5 ambush

>>160106773
You don't need to kill the ambush. Read a tele a turn or two before going down the stairs, read a magic mapping if you have it, and prepare for hell

>>160106919
Well fuck
I wil probably get ambushed by liches or something similar and splat ASAP

>>160106484
>4/6
Well fuck

>>160106732
Yeah. Max the settings in DDA. Teleport yourself outside town. Spawn a swat truck and an ass ton of radio controlled dynamlite. drive around gathering up all the zombies. spam your horn and rev the engine. Ball it up and Aloha snackbar.

>>160106773
>>160106957
Stairdance
Immolation, song of slaying, haste.
Teleport until you get a good spot to dakka a safe hole

You didn't neglect defenses did you? Just go do crypty, elf and get the abyssal rune.

>>160106484
1 or 2, I guess I have no depression or minor? Only time I thought about suicide was when I wondered about the pros and cons of suicide and how to do it without causing trouble for others. I decided it's not worth the trouble to kill myself since I'll die sooner or later anyway and I might find out what happens to me after I die in my lifetime and I still need to learn how to draw, fap a million times and play vidya for however long I can. I can also kill myself later if the need arises. I hope you all get through your depression, it's much more fun to have fun instead of thinking about negative things or whatever depressed anons do besides shitpost. But then again shitposting is fun, oh well, stay positive.

>>160106272
by going to a psychiatrist
don't be that person who self diagnoses

>>160107381
You'd really need to discuss it with an actual psychologist but those are usually tell tale signs. If you have only one or two you're probably okay

>>160107509
he totally is

What is a good skill route for a Draconion transmuter?

>>160107961
Bulky fister if you have bad judgement. heavy tmut if you can handle the dangerous style of tmut heavy play. both of them use sticks to snakes heavily and spam breath

>>160107509
>>160107572
Yeah I'm not claiming I know if I'm depressed or not, I just said minor/none as a guess since I hit 1-2 of those signs but guess ain't worth shit. Maybe I'll google the point when a person needs to see a psychiatrist sometime.

>>160107601
You think a psychiatrist would come to a roguelike general to shitpost and talk about depression? Then again it's sunday and if shitposter = depressed human then he's in a goldmine.

ok I'm going to watch that ghibli movie, I'll let you know if you can expect me to kill myself or continue to post tummies and complain about roguelikes

>>160108098
Is Vehu or Sif good for gods or should I be focusing on a combat oriented god like Oka?

Death swords are fucking fun, is there any limit how much I can absorb? Immunity to everything? +999 dmg/hit? +50 Digging? Whoaa

Hey, so I found the thread where the "Kenshiro challenge" that anon was talking about last thread was made. It seems to be this
>Human Monk of Zin
>Only leather and hide armours allowed
Hokuto Shinken-sanctioned spells:
>Iskenderun's Mystic Blast
>Confusing Touch
>Searing Ray
Also inner flame because it was fucking obvious but no one in the thread mentioned it

Does the government give me money if I'm depressed

>>160109831
Oh, and also obviously UC only. If I can chime in to make it more interesting, avoid throwing (especially not for luring) and don't use evocables. Take your armour off before using vitalization if at all possible

>>160109978
depends on how severe your depression is and where you live

you can also just get locked up in mental facility

Does Ring of Shadows stack with Dith, or does Dith just overwrite it?

>>160105112
>C:DDA and DCSS are the best rogues
>disliked here
sums up the place quite nicely

>>160110219
It may not matter since I've found every shrine but Dithmenos.

>>160109831
Leather armor or robe only for armor slot.
There were a lot other spells I remember.
Phase shift/Invis + Blink for Musou Tensei
Tornado for ATATATATATTATATATATA
Inner flame or "You are already dead".
Deflect missles for that techique where Kenshiro sends arrows back.
Orb of destruction for Gosho Ha.
Blade hands for REI'S SACRIFICE.
These are the ones I can remember for now some other older threads has the full list

>>160076546
>but my fucking draconian transmuters are so fucking fragile and have no offensive power
To win as Tm, pretend you're playing as a Monk that happens to have a few spells available.

Those spells are good for things like:
* Buffing to fight with boosted base damage and boosted EV
* Summoning allies to fight alongside you
* Buffing to fight with boosted rC, boosted AC, and boosted base damage
* Buffing to fight with temporary mega damage

Now you know how to win Tm every time.

If you don't actually know how to play Mo, here's a primer:
UC 5
Fight 5
UC 7
Fight 7
Dodge 5
UC 11
Fight 11
Dodge 7
Sh 4 if you find a buckler
Invo 3-8 depending on god

All of the above modified in order depending on racial aptitudes and if you happen to find a strong floor drop that you could rely on to win, ofc

>>160111705
Ice form usually gives less AC than you can get from just a good robe/leather and aux slots. Unless you're an Oc or fighting an hydra it's not really worth it

quick give me a list of dangerous flying monsters worth getting airstrike for

except moth of wrath though, that guy has no hp you can kill him with piss

>>160112494
Is this OC?

>>160112435
Caustic shrikes? Ghost moths?

>trying to convince my friends to play roguelikes
>tell them it's a lot of fun and about all the crazy and interesting things that can happen in a run
>they always reply with a look of piety in their eyes, as if I'm their retarded cousin
>"yeah man not really my thing I guess"

anyone else knows this feel

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>>160113225
>trying to convince my friends to play roguelikes
You really are the retarded cousin.
You don't choose roguelikes.
Roguelikes choose you.
This is the path of madness.

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ONE MILLION STDS!

>>160113414
How do you manage to stay a NEET for a long period of time

Teach me your secrets

>>160113558
first you must have no shame
then you must be filled with hatred and fear
then you must have parents who provide you and don't ask too many questions
failing that, you must fake a diagnosis for autism or some disability for government $$$
only then the doors will open towards an empty room with a stool and a noose

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>>160108997
Veh does nothing at all for you. Sif's pretty iffy since you basically are only using him to find statue/dragon form but you don't even need it since blade hand will wil lthe game for you and you already have it

>>160109831
>>160110567

>>160113758
Sif is a girl (muna).

>>160113727
Well my parents are certainly not going to provide for for a long time

I have been diagnosed with aspergers but that most likely won't be enough to make the government pay me

This is hard

>>160111705
Thanks, this looks fairly idiot-proof.

My only wins are MiBe so that's good ;_;

>>160112034
I'm going Draconian.

>>160109742
Warning on deathswords: Disenchantment is PERMANENT. So if you lose 5 accuracy and 5 slaying to X low level disenchantment uniques (one of the nibelungs) then you're going to need to absorb, like, +1000 of each to get them back.

Also you'll be lacking confusion resist and disenchantment resist for basically an eternity. Truly not a class for the faint of heart.

>>160114336
All the more reason not to use ice form. Draconian scales are better than enchanted leather

>>160114337
Wait, so basically if I'm +5 +5 and 50/100 50/100 essences and I'll get dispelled, I'll turn into +4 +5 and 50/100 50/100 instead of +4 +5 and 25/50 50/100 or so? I thought I would just lose the essences and their bonuses, so some fuck can just dispel me to +0 from +100 and holy shit I'll stay as a +0 almost forever because the essences and their bonuses won't go down? I didn't sign up for this. Enemies can only dispel accuracy and damage yes? Not resists I hope. I think I might have lost a few +to hit already, oh fuck.