/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

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Bloodshills FUCK OFF

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Post your favorite gestures

If someone posts anything BB related in this thread, I will seriously lost my shit.

>tfw no corvian knight armor

Reminder to not reply or acknowledge the tripfag and to report all posts made by it.

>>160008418

>ask legitimate question about a souls game last thread
>turned into shitposting

Sorry ;_;

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>>160008484
1. it's on topic and we even have a BB section in the OP
2. Announcing a report is a rule violation

>>160008496
Link the question

>>160008484
you're being just as bad as him 2bh

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>>160008356

>>160008438
This
So lame

Also;
No dlc gestures
No dlc covenants
Only 1 ring and not even ng+ versions
Arena wins dont give covenant rewards

>>160008562
You're derailing the thread by being here

Remove the tripcode or leave the thread.

>>160008563
I asked when is a good time to do chalice dungeons, I already cleared the first one from the chalice I got from blood starved beast. But was wondering if I should keep going with central and lower or go fight Amelia

>>160008484
Reporting the fact that you've reported someone is a reportable offense, anon.

I am neither confirming nor denying the fact that I have and/or have not reported you.

>>160008650
>1 (ONE) NPC invasion
>not even that great

>>160008663
Dont bother
They will make you overleveled for the maingame

And the maingame is actually good

>>160008654
Lucy has been here since these generals were on /v/. Stop getting your feefees hurt over a name

>>160008383
I miss the DaS1 dragon form
it looked kinda cool, but was grotesque enough to fit the setting
the DaS2 version tried way too hard to be cool and looked like an armor set
the DaS3 version is just fucking disgusting

>>160008684
>npc with amazing VA and lore connections is interacted with twice
>first encounter is missable

>>160008715
>Lucy has been here since these generals were on /v/
and so have plenty of other people who are tripfagging, what's your point?

>>160008763
aren't tripfagging*

Should just be a PC Souls general, that way we can isolate the tumblr tier behavior and keep it there

>>160008848
Souls on PC was a mistake

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>>160008758
I'm still mad

>>160008740
Dragon form is kind of pointless now though. In DaS1 it was not only new and novel, but it was also a skill thing since poise was actually useful back then and the dragon form was zero poise.

>>160008763
Pretty clear that it's you who are trying to derail the thread. You aren't even talking about the game in your posts.

>>160008663
Just play main game. Chalice is just for autists who need to grind the best gems.

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>>160008848
t. bloodbornecuck

You have your own general, feel free to leave

>>160009124
This armor, weapons, gems, unique bosses, unique enemies, and trophies in them.

>Friede doesn't even care when Vilhelm dies
Cute cruel ice queen... the best kind...

>>160009195
more worthwhile to do after maingame and DLC for the most part though, none of the stuff in there is necessary by any means.

>>160008848

Souls on PC was a mistake.

>>160008848
>>160008869

Yeah, because Demon's Souls can't be discussed in this general despite being a PS3 exclusive, right?
/bbg/ chose to self-exile and people come to /dsg/ to cry about how /bbg/ is ded.
>/bbg/ chooses to split the general and damn the consequences
>/bbg/ starts dying
>come to whine on /dsg/
>ask for threads to get "merged" despite people here discussing bb just fine in meta topics like favorite boss/weapon

If people insist posting UGH /BBG/ IS DEAD! while still posting about bb here I don't know what to tell you except stuff your dumb mouth when people point to you how to fix the problem.

>2v2
>Actually 2v1, enemy was alone
>I stay up the tower and shoot the fucker with millwood bow and kill him a few times with it
>Team mate still manages to lose like a fucking nigger
>Draw
Opponent deserved to win desu

>>160009302
The way I tend to do it is:
>Mensis (get a full set of frenzy doll gems)
>DLC (get full set of frenzy doll gems)
>chalices
>then NG+

Whats a good weapon with dragonform?

>>160009472
Bloodlust
So you can commit sodoku

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Why is the DeS setting so good?
I much prefer it to the DaS settings, but i can't put my finger on why

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Reminder that Dark Souls III could have been the perfect game that took the best of Dark souls 1 and 2 but instead they decided to pretend the latter never existed or did anything right and took one step forward and two steps back.

>>160009697
I like to think it's because it's so self-contained. There was no real consideration given to how 1-2 interacts with 5-3, or even 1-2 to 1-3. Every level is designed to be as effective as possible with a single connection to the next level in the world.

>>160009697
Because it's the DaS settings except not reused 3 times

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>>160009697
Because it was basically an improved King's Field setting/atmosphere.

It was just good.

DaS went a slightly different route.

lewd souls

>>160009801
Dark Souls 3 being what it is, is entirely the fault of Bloodborne.

Really sucks because we could have gotten a much better game. They should have just made a Bloodborne 2 or something, not ruin the Soul's series with those mechanics.

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>>160009878
>>160009697
iunno, but das and das3 (never played ds2) feels really claustrophobic and dark and uncomfortable compared to demons souls

>>160009697
It's the most straight-forward and immediately understandable right out of the box. It's also very relatable since it took me a good while to understand DaS setting's basic concepts.

The lore isn't as rich in Demon's and the backstory isn't as rich but the narrative is tighter and easier to understand. DeS and Dark Souls 3 had these elements in common(bes)ides the references :
>the goal your character is given right at the start doesn't change
>you're communicated very clearly what you need to do from the start
>you're referred to as a "prisoner" instead of being manipulated to act from your free will
>the story regarding the world is spelled out fairly clearly by other NPCs(Anri/Hawkwood/Siegward)

As such, there's less vagueness of the setting, but there's less room and holes for the players to figure out, resulting in lore that isn't as deep.

>>160009971
I think this is a major part of it. They took a lot of the "super fast crazy frenzy attack!" stuff from BB and slapped it on a bunch of enemies and bosses in DaS3, even when DaS has always had a slower pace, which means as a consequence they had to make rolling take retardedly little amounts of stamina and give you the same rolling iframes all the way up to fat roll. Can you imagine trying to fight Dancer with say, DaS2's roll stamina cost? You'd be at the mercy of RNG if she decided to do one of her many "5+ wide angle hits in super quick succession" combos

>tfw still fucking shit at parrying Gwyn

>Carthus Catacombs and Smouldering Lake

Why does everything drop Titanite Shards. Why is the sandworm too retarded to notice I'm attacking it from behind. How did I defeat the Demon King on my third attempt.

>>160010193
Demon King is pretty much just a normal demon with a boss bar slapped on. All his attacks have gigantic windups/tells. The only thing that ever gives me trouble is if he decides to spam those "growing and shrinking ring of fire" attacks which feel like they hit you even if you roll right through them.

>>160010193
>How did I defeat the Demon King on my third attempt
how? he is generally considered an easy boss, das1 minotaur demons are more tough than him

>>160010272
>>160010312
I felt I had more problems with the normal demon in the catacombs to the point where the skeletons just bum rushed him.

Mainly because his AOE explosion (I think it was that) oneshot me, an attack I don't think the King has.

>>160010373
hmmm might be just you
i found that demon even more easier than the king, hugging him and ocasionally rolling makes that fight pretty easy

however an enemie being easier for me doesnt mean shit, that its always relative, i always had problem with crabs the first time i played the game, to the point i didnt even killed one the first time i finished the game

do you use shields btw?

>>160010490
Yeah, but I tend to roll a lot as well.

>>160010193
>Why does everything drop Titanite Shards

Is this a complaint?

Can you still loot the +1 rings in ng+2? Trying to do the ring achievement and I'm considering just rushing through ng+1.

>Literally winning duels with Millwood funbow only
>Viable af in team matches
Can't wait for the fun nerf

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>>160008320

Reminder to record your games.

Reminder to post new Webms.

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Is it time yet?

>>160011007

How? Post webms or something.

>>160009294
She told him to fuck off and gave him a farewell gift, he was staying near the closed door to the chapel.

>>160010952
No. I'm just baffled by the amount of shards that I get, most of which I have no need to use.

>>160010992
Yes

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>>160011007
from never nerfs DLC stuff

Guys, what's the most useful crossbow for a strength pvp build?

>>160011176
All you have to do is be a pillar-squatting faggot 24/7 until your opponent gets sick of it and lets you kill him so he can go fight someone worthwhile

>>160011306

No I mean how do you win with it only in duels, not in group matches where literally everyone just ignores you so you are free to basically just do what pyros and mages do.

>>160011027
I don't understand how the netcode managed to get worse over the series

>>160011268
They probably made it so it would be eaiser to upgrade another weapons if you wanted it. They want you to experiment I guess.

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>>160011415
At least DS3 is not DS2 in network aspect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36CTT_O38LQ

Whats a good weapon to carry while i am doing a int build? Unitl i get the MLGS or GS of Judgement.

>>160011415
Seems like it just went from the worse dark souls 2 netcode to the normal dark souls 1 netcode. Either way that just looked like normal lag.

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So uh
Did they actually go ahead and fucking nerf UGS hyperarmor by making it start slower?
Am I actually not fucking dreaming right now

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>>160011459
I just can't go back to that.

>>160011547
>to the normal dark souls 1 netcode

It's worse than 1 for sure, but you're right it's better than 2.

You rarely saw massively delayed damage like that in 1, like it happened but I feel like I see it a lot more often in 3. Not to mention the t-pose shit that plagues my invasions.

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>>160011413
>tfw me and summon take turns with greatbow, sorceries and pyromancy on invader

At least whenever they're just mindless killers. If invaders have manners and decency, we have a fair 1 on 1 with the summon first.

>You can parry people behind you

>>160011459
God I almost forgot about that ridiculous desync shit

>>160011413

Use obscuring ring for confusion in the beginning, run up the tower and shoot them. Then they follow then camp at the very end of the tower and shoot a WA arrow on the ground in front of you and jump off (with cat ring obviously)
I only had melee duel opponents so far though, it surely is more annoying against casters. But I already have gold and don't give a fuck

Any porn of those treeladies from the dlc?

>>160011598
>CCS weight and stamina consumption were reduced
do you rike it?

>>160011625
>It's worse than 1 for sure

Doesn't feel like it. Maybe it has something to do with the shitty/strict matchmaking of dark souls 1. Basically the long wait made you connect with people with good connection most of the time.

I will never forget the shitty and laggy spell firing in dark souls 1 pvp.

>>160011662
This shit is so retarded, but at least if you know someone is going to try and do it you can go for a backstab instead of a regular R1.

>>160009384

/bbg/ is just too painful for me. I became """"friends"""" with a lot of people there, and I was wishing that it'd be a BB and DsS3 PS4 thread. Too bad a lot of the people in bbg quit DaS3 early.

>>160011696
For all the wood they give to people there's ridiculously little lewds of them.

>>160011749
Honestly this
>tfw bbg will never go back to the comfy days of post DLC
>tfw FCs will never be like they used to

is there any way to filter the people responding to lucifer as well as lucifer?

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>>160011720
In my experience its far worse than DaS 1 was. I get a few moments of "what" because of lag in almost every invasion, where attacks will hit or miss when they clearly are otherwise. This happens often.

Also, sometimes even just summoning a couple of phantoms will cause enemies in my game to lag for some reason. This was especially prevalent in a session where neither of my summoned phantoms could see the other.

Problems like these were around for DaS 1 too, but not nearly happening as often as in 3.

Here is my speedtest for reference.

>>160011798
recursive hiding
sometimes that shit filters half of the thread tho

>>160011176

I have one but it's a minute long and even when I cut out relatively unimportant bits it's still too huge. No idea how to convert this to make it less than 3mb

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>>160010149
Yeah, DS3 was designed to cater to the fast-paced BB gameplay, and not the combat we all grew to love in DS1.

What we got was a combat system based purely on reaction and aggressiveness, instead of it being more strategical and prediction-based. Not to say that you couldn't play DS1 very aggressively, or that DS3 doesn't have any need for strategy, but going through DS1 with DS3 mechanics would be a fucking breeze.

Instant quick rolls, incredibly fast weapon speeds, etc. It was literally "we want the bloodborne audience", and now with the recent patches we're getting it's clear FS knows it's not what most people wanted.
Both DS1 and DS2, despite was /dsg/ might tell you, were reviewed extremely well, and have gotten awards. DS3? It's the lowest rated out of all of them, only slightly beating out Demon's Souls. which has more to do with it being a ps3 exclusive.

If this really is going to be the last game in the series, I sure hope the dlc and future patches bring a lot. The least they can't do is improve this half-assed system to the best it can be.

>>160011942
>Problems like these were around for DaS 1 too, but not nearly happening as often as in 3.

Probably because the way more easier and frequent matchmaking

>>160011794
best /bbg/ was 2 months before DLC til DaS3 was released. Nobody even minded FC posting in the thread because the community was so little that most posters know who's talking about who, and most PvP faggots there were helping out people who wanted to do co-op and gem farming,

>tfw lived on the otherside of the world
>have to wake up at 5AM just to join Saturday FC

I miss the good 'ol days.

>>160011982
https://mixtape.moe/

>>160011982
YouTube

>>160012007
I want to assume that this surprise patch, even though it's not what people really wanted, is the start of many, I'm assuming they're planning on reworking all the numbers in the game before DLC2 hits.

Some weapons are borderline useless. There's literally no point in using the Greatlance, for example, virtually over any available spear in the game.

MUST
RAPE
MARIA

Aldritch is pretty cute

Are there any other weapons besides the dragonslayer's axe that still have elemental damage when raw infused?

>>160009801

Nah its because B team was working on DS2 simultaneously with A team working on DS3 and BB.

A team never had the time to implement the good stuff into DS3 because of this, like having your controller vibrate to let you know when PVP or coop starts

>>160012278
Lothric Knight UGS

>>160011942
ds1 straight refused to connect you to half of the people you were trying to invade
endless fog walls were common as well
you're only judging by people who made it through, and those are the same people who have good latency against you in ds3 but the only difference is that it actually allows even lagging as fuck people to connect with you without straight refusing connection

>>160012278
lothric ugs
drakeblood

raw ass doesn't but it's still good for buffing

>>160011942

>18 down, 1 up

what the fuck

I hope I don't ever get matched with you

>>160012010
Yeah, I'd have to wake up around 8AM to get in on that shit. Good times though. The community was little but like half of them FC'd anyway,

>>160011942
Are you like from South East Asia or something? It seems countries around that area prioritize download speed more for some fucking reason.

Would DS3 be a better game if it didn't try so hard to inflict nostalgia into the players?

Are Dancer’s Enchanted Swords the least viable weapon in the game?
>Triple split damage which is fixed slightly by wearing a CGS on your back with Pontiff rings
>D scaling across the board at +5. Storm Ruler scales better than this shit
>Left sword does magic dmg instead of dark like Dancer herself
>Every move is ultra tier slow
>Literal parrybait on just about every move where you can still hit a cunt with both blades and get parried. Stevie Wonder could parry these pieces of shit
>Zero hyperarmour on any moves
>Needs precise timing for the WA and locking on half the time causes you to miss the guy with spins
>Friede’s Scythe WA gets Hyperarmour and can spin and spin while Dancer’s Swords WA gets staggered by a fly
>Almost impossible to win trades with because just about everything else is either faster, has hyperarmour or outranges you
>These things lost their stunlock the next patch after From gave them which made them op but viable, also happened before the dark sword/estoc got ‘nerfed’

Their literal only saving grace now is that you can still get true combos in L1L1 and L1L2R2 for decent damage, but even then good luck not getting parried or winning a trade. I’m sure the guy who made these things had a big say in how Faith builds work too. All these things need to be remotely viable is faster attack speed or a bit of hyperarmour on some moves. Fucking From.

/blog

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>>160012593
Yes and no
If they wanted to do "HEY REMEMBER ANOR LONDO" the least they could do was paste more than 1 fucking building, that's just lazy
Also I would really have appreciated it if most if not all fashion made it into the new game, but as of now it's just "knight" and "robes"

>be casual shitter
>ls qual build, doing arena duels
>get put up against some CCS dex build, get my shit slapped
>get put up against her straight away after
>get my shit slapped again
>get put up against her AGAIN straight after
>think sod this and just try and sit down
>she does too, then gets back up and unequips all weapons
>so do I
>end up having a punching match
>I win

thanks if that was one of you, was fun

>>160012976
>getting matched against the same person 3 times in a row
You sure you're not in the hacker pool server?

>>160008320
What's the best build to use for my first bloodbourne run?

>>160013038
never hacked so I hope not

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>>160012007
I think DaS3 falls flat on following up on some little stuff as well. Like say, unless they're planning to massively expand it somehow there's literally no reason for Andre to be here except for "you guys remember this dude? you liked this dude right? right?!". Sure the hub world blacksmith has never been majorly involved in the story, but Andre in DaS3 doesn't have anything, I quite liked the connection between Lenigrast and Chloanne in DaS2, it was small but it made him feel less like a titanite eating robot. It's the little things that make the world feel more involved. I might be biased though as Majula is by far my favourite hub area.

>>160009697
I always enjoyed the fact that DeS very clearly establishes a real world that existed and functioned prior to the events of the game. There was a grand city, a mine used to gather ore, a religious site, a prison, and a swamp, none of which are next door to each other but are implied to be close enough to each other that they aren't entirely independent, or at least that's how I always looked at it. The thing about DaS is that while the game does make reference to the age of Lords, with the areas you go to, it never seems really feasible that at one point in time people lived and worked there. Undead Burg and Parish are kind of fine, but then areas like Blighttown and Demon Ruins take the fantasy elements past the point of reason, which isn't to say those areas are bad, but it sets a new standard with regards to what the world of the game is like, and what you can expect to find in it.

I also like the fact that it's the only game where you really get anything resembling in depth information as to what souls are and why they're so important, by Dark Souls it's all about finding Gwyn and the fact that you're picking up souls is just a fact of life

Can I do a mundane build run in Softs?

I want to roleplay as a minor enemy hollow knight using a broken sword.

>>160012593
The lore would be better but a lot of the gameplay segments that weren't directly lifted out of a previous title but styled after it like the Homoprinces bridge, Dragonslayer armor, the Catacombs, Irithyll Dungeon,Irithyll, Ariandel and the Nexuslink Shrine were really good homages but distinct enough to stand on their own.

>>160013041

Anything but Saw Cleaver or Ludwig's Holy Blade.

Have fun.

>>160013174
Latria is implied if not outright stated to be significantly farther from everything else

Played through Dark Souls 3 once and never touched it afterwards because pvp felt stale. The one thing I want to know is did the DLC fix poise because I heard rumors that it did if so I might come back.

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>>160012593
GUISE REMEMBER ANDRE L0L!

>>160012964
Drakeblood sword is likely worse.

>level 50
>waited at ornstein and smough bonfire for 4 hours
>no summon

why

>>160013290
You have to wear heavy armor for hyper armor to be effective for big weapons. It's not dark souls 1 poise if that is what you are asking for.

>>160013207
I mean, I guess you could, but it'd suck dick. Mundane scales off of your lowest attribute, so you're either stuck with an utterly, utterly dogshit build or your SL/SM is so high you'll never actually meet other players.

>>160013361
Because there are only 3,000 people playing the game, and they're likely all invading each other in the Burg.

>>160013361
>get summoned for O&S
>aggro Ornstein and tank him
>host and his Solaire die to Smough

>>160012964
it's bad, but compared to the wooden hammer it's a fucking CCS

>>160013174
The Stonefang tunnels have Fat Officials as slave drivers and the weapons of Boletarian soldiers are forged in the Stonefang mines.

Latria is it's own, possibly neighbouring Queendom and Ostrava wears the Fluted Armor, which is the armor used in Latria possibly, because you find the drop of the Fluted armor in Latria and also the Rune Sword and Rune shield. Also, equipment belonging to one of the King's spies is found there, indicating that Allant was spying on Latria, possibly their research on Soul Arts? Lord Rydell is also referred as "Little Allant", maybe he was Allant's little brother and Ariana(Ostrava) was staying in Latria when the Demons attacked?

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Anyone doing any halberd or ultra testing since the patch?

I'm still trying to figure out what poise value I need to tank a medium weapon hit and where in the animation the HA starts up, idk famalam. I want to use the BK Glaive like I did before the poise patch.

>>160008650
hardly any precedents for these to begin with

>>160013345
not even close, drakeblood has good hyperarmor, gets decent-ish physical scaling refined and can be buffed

>>160013374
Before the update didn't you have hyper armor for big weapons regardless of your armor/poise? That essentially seems like they nerfed big weapons even more by requiring them to use heavy armor when they were already dead in the meta. Let me know if I'm misunderstanding something but it seems like they even made it worse.

Can you parry normal weapons with the sacred bloom shield? Does it have the same frames as small shields?

>>160013041
Moonlight greatsword

>>160013174
Blighttown is literally a shit-tier nigger hovel shantytown where undead were banished after they had been considered to be filth.

Lordran is much bigger than the area presented in the game. If you look at the intro cinematic, you can see that there's a castle-like construction hugging the side of Anor Londo (that's the Undead Burg) and that there's a big city down below that and countryside.

>>160013278
It's a neighboring duchy I guess.

Shrine of Storms seems to be located on an island somewhere, so it might not be in Boletaria either. At least, its skybox and position on the world map suggest it, though it's hard to make out the landmasses in that image. Valley of Defilement seems to be elsewhere but just as well could be in some swampland in the vicinity of the kingdom.

Stonefang and Palace seem to be the only parts of Boletaria proper we actually visit and even Stonefang might be ways away from the city.

>>160012593
Yes. Definitely. Irithyll could well be without Anor Londo. I thought it was a missed opportunity to make another snow castle that actually had content and areas to explore rather than, like, 3/4 of Anor Londo.

Unpopular Opinion:
The game could also do well without Siegward. I kinda wish the Yhorm's friend role was fitted to a different NPC that's actually related to the Profaned Capital, unless that area was actually Catarina in the first place, but idk

Could someone post that "/dsg/ in a nutshell" Comic?

>>160012964
i mess fools up with these
youre just shit mate

>>160013097
Nah, wouldn't say you're wrong there. Majula was my favorite hub as well. It was an little town in a dying world, and it felt that way. Not just a location with a bonfire.

I think in terms of what a hub should be, Majula did everything right. The area was large enough for a bit of exploration but not too large that it felt overwhelming, it branched off into multiple routes smoothly(much like ds1), had a good amount of NPC's, and the music complemented the atmosphere nicely.


Also, I think Andre is still alive in DS3 because he has a purpose. Isn't it implied people only go hollow and fuck off when they have no purpose? Remember how the crestfallen dude from DS1 just sort of gave up? Andre was always just a blacksmith, and never stopped. Obviously being hollow is a bit different than being unembered, but I think the concept is close enough.

>>160013990
But I have over 300 confirmed kills and am top of my class in the Navy Seals

>>160013646
he was using a fucking dagger, pretty sure a katana could hyper through that shit

Is the meta still SL120-125? With how poise works now, why hasn't people moved on to a higher soul level so ultra users wouldn't have to sacrifice stat or ring slots and generally just give variety to other builds?

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>can't lock on to them
>hits go through them/don't do any damage

Cool...

Cool.......

Guess I'll just leave then, assholes.

>>160014171

idk why I keep running into dagger faggots, but I'm trying, man. Feel free to help me out and do your own testing and report back with webms.

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Reminder that Pontiff orchestrated vast majority of events during the game and even connected to the Painted world.
Reminder that during your battle with him he literally summons his own phantom from alternative timeline.
Reminder that fucker is still alive and his true version will be the main DLC 2 boss.

>>160013708
The hyper armor was shit.

So did corona change much or is it still maximum garbo

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DSG, why arent more of you in the iron round shield club? it has better stability, weighs less, and can be used on any class for the trade off of only 1% lower physical block than the fuck ass llewellyn shield. it matches armor better too

>>160014346
>DLC2 actually connects to AoA

God, I hope so. Is pointy sillyman the closest to an actual villain in a souls game?

>>160014316
You might have been invisible on their screen. A connection bug.

>>160014256
Because 120 is high enough

To give you a quick example, a 40/40 quality build with 40 end and 39 vigor is a sl 120 build

that's a fuckton of stats.

An ultra build at that range would be exactly the same, except points in dex would be split vit and str

If you want to do a full havel with abillion damage with a GH then you can fuck right off to sl 200


That said 120 gets matched with up to 140, so feel free to up your stats, since half if not all of the pyroniggers are sl 125-130 anyway

>>160014412

Mostly because people are bandwagon'ing idiots and also think the llewellyn shield "looks better".

You're right though and that's what I use because lothric knight shield parry frames are garbage unfortunately.

>>160014413
Well he is evil, but his grand plans are insignificant the fate of the world. It's a general theme.

>>160014413
He actually has a very good reason for doing everything he did as he wants to naturally reset the world instead of continuing the dumb cycles that only lead to the world rotting away just like what Friede did with his homeland so i can't call him "villain" unless you play a bitch of the old gods and kings that actually wants to pointlessly link the Fire.

>>160014346
dlc is already confirmed to be london

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>>160014413
>even literal demons are supposed to be sympathetic in this game

>>160014103
I get why Andre has managed to stay fine for all this time. As long as there are people alive, they'll need weapons, it's pretty much impossible for him to go hollow while there are still people 'alive'. It's a nice touch in terms of the whole "undead go hollow when they complete or lose their purpose" but it's still a shame they never did anything with him story or quest wise.

>>160014571
No, it's not.
It will be most likely connected to the Angels and Profaned Capital.
AoA is already a Londor/Pontiff DLC.

>>160014413
He's trying to reset the world by force so that the world stops getting more and more fucked up by dumbasses linking the fire and stringing it along when it should've went out long ago. Depending on your perspective he's actually doing a good thing, regardless of his methods.

>>160014576
>no demon ending
replacing the first meme with chaos would solve all of the world's problems for the laughably small price of making people look ugly (and not even always, as shown with Quelaag and the Fair Lady)
how was that never a possibility, especially in DaS1 where we could become a literal servant of chaos

Lads, I just defeated the Big Wolf guy and the gravetender. I seem to be stuck now though, how do I progress further?
I met 2 ladies but they don't seem to be doing anything.
One tells me to leave the world and the other says something about going back to painting something.
Can I get a nudge in the right direction?

>>160014840
Recheck the big blood pit full of the huge flys

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>>160011720
>I will never forget the shitty and laggy spell firing in dark souls 1 pvp.

Do you mean the soulmass desync? It might seem really laggy like in this webm, but what happened is that the soulmass didn't activate on his side.

>>160014359
Does that mean the hyper armor is actually useful now then?

>>160014103
>being hollow is different concept than being unembered
The Ashen Ones / Unkindled are basically prisoners being brought back for one purpose, which is to bring back the Lords of Cinder and reined in by the lands converging so that the Unkindled are brought to the Lords easily.

Undead from DaS1 and DaS2 are not created for a purpose but rather a curse, even though the Gods found a way to manipulate them. The Undead had free will and could choose whether to do shit or not, but Ashen Ones were specifically purposely awakened for one specific purpose. The Firekeeper in DS3 refers to Ashen Ones as "ashen prisoners".

>>160015364
Yes.

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It's never going to happen, but I wish we got a demon transformation in the next DLC
>boosts your STR
>gives you a unique unarmed moveset which scales with STR
>makes you unable to use any magic besides non-dark pyromancies
>makes chaos pyromancies' speed scale with STR instead of DEX
>boosts all kinds of fire damage you deal, similiarly to the red clutch ring
>significantly boosts your fire RES, slightly boosts your physical RES, lowers your non-fire elemental RES

>>160014840
Well you should listen to the NPC and leave the world.
Go back to pontiff and duel.

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>>160013984
?

>>160014840
Snowy mountain pass bonfire leads to where you want to go. You want to find wolves in Snowy Mountain pass.

>>160015524
post the updated version

>>160015524
Post the updated one

>>160015559
>>160015585
I don't have it.

>>160014256
Firstly because from is throwing out balance patches pretty quickly, it'd be unwise to level up only for a sweeping change to come along considering you can only go up and not down. Some weapons are already being made poise efficient, anyone who overleveled to hit some break is going to have more than they need now.

Secondly, str builds generally have enough stats anyway. You just move dex over to str and vit. Even if you've got 66 str with 13 dex for spiked mace, that's less offensive investment than 40/40. On top of that, 66 str really isn't nessecary. In an unembered arena, you're going to kill most people in two stunlocks either way with anything greater than a GS.

>>160014412
iron round doesn't have more stability anymore, but I do use it

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>>160014412

>he isn't part of the Stone Greatshield club

>>160015656
can you at least post the bloodborne version?

>>160014840

>people actually get lost in the tiny-ass DLC

now I've seen it all

>>160015524
>pyro 101
sounds more like faith
>cast TOD
>remove darkmoon ring
>"ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO REMOV-"
>cast replenishment
>cast blessed weapon
>remove priestess ring
>no offensive miracles
>quality stats

>faith 101
it should be an image of someone with 9 faith and leveling it up once, then going "there, that's better!"

>almost 2017
>people still get hit by Lightning Storm

>>160015906
The area where that guy got is really maze-like though and it's easy to think it's just a dead-end with weapons and loot.
I got stumped by the area myself because I fell down the cliff when I was near the area where you were supposed to proceed.

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>>160015656

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>>160015524
>Prince Lothric!
Kek, best part.

>>160016694

>that bulge

I want to _____ a mommy Rosaria

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>>160015338
>mfw I made a strategy guide of how to abuse pursuers/soul mass long before shit became cancer and everyone said it's just lag

>>160016930
Know who the fuck is

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>>160016884
Best girl

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Welp, figured out you still can't poise through a curved GS (murakumo I believe) even in full havels with wolf ring +2 on, so there's that.

The testing shall continue but honestly beginning to think halberd poise is still shit-tier and you shouldn't even bother, they still get pretty sick combos with great reach. Think I'm just gonna make a winged halberd STR build with 60 faith DMB and outspace people into the R1 R1 stunlock.

Like... pretty sure the poise needed to tank a CCS R1 is going to continue to be high af and you're probably better off just trying to maximize damage and outspace them with staggered R1's. You can still kill people quite well with these weapons.

What weapons are good for an SL1 run? I haven't done one in DaS3 yet.

>>160017193

Bandit's Knife
Dragonslayer Axe
ASS

You can't use any of these without the stat rings, just use something like a broadsword or longsword until then.

>>160017193

raw astora straight sword, i.e. raw ASS

>>160017193
Broadsword/Longsword, Barbed Straight Sword, Carthus Curved Sword, Bandit's Knife, Astora Straight Sword, Dragonslayer Axe/Millwood Battle Axe, Storyteller's Staff, Firelink Greatsword and Flamberge are very good weapons but it depends on the boss really. you can't use most of them for every fight in NG, but you can in NG+ and beyond

Is Gertrude just the corpse you get the divine pillars miracle from?

>>160017118
Even if they could, there wouldn't be a point to it really. You'd poise their hit, but they'd poise your hit, and you'd probably lose the trade. I think this holds true for properly scaled GS too. A better way to buff them would have been to make GS actually require poise to swing through them, right now they get it for free buck naked. Considering GS don't really have significant poisebreaks up until 32 poise, may as well make them require ~20.

>>160014412
>tfw Iron Round Shield was my shieldfu since my second character

>>160017651
Probably, yes. It's clear that they can leave items without corpses, since they did it with the Dragonslayer Spear, so the fact that there's a corpse in the cage with her miracle leads me to believe it's her.

Although that doesn't explain why there are two open doors.

Yo, someone wanna help me with McDonald crocpuppers on pc? Password is crocpup. Location is at the pontiff arena.

>>160017651

Yeah that's too bad, but they stunlock very well, either for an R1 L2 R1 or just a simple R1 R1. You can get some pretty crazy damage with a long reach with those things, and if people try to parry you can L2 them to death, or R2.

winged knight halberd weighs more and lacks the spin2win and fancy moves of the black knight version but it does more damage for the same stats and can be buffed, so I'm probably going to test out a DMB build with it and see if I can get over 700-800 damage from two R1's (since that's around what I usually get with an R1 L2 R1 with the BK glaive).

>>160017801
could have been opened after she died rather than before

>>160017193
Anything with bleed
raw ass requires beating gundyr

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>>160016624
>get muuh flayul
Every time

>>160017921
But that doesn't explain why they just left the body there, especially with an item on it. Doubly so when you can see it through the fucking bars.

give numerous hints and tips on doing a ds1 sl1 playthrough

go

>>160009697
>look into the distance from Boletarian Palace
>see a city in the distance
>this is probably the city from the tutorial of DeS
>we can't go back there
JUST

One thing that DaS3 did very well was make the journey to the Lords feel like actually traveling through a countryside-ish area while still having individual locations large enough to be proper levels.

>>160018148
Ring of Favour and Protection.

>>160018148
take the blighttown shortcut and max out your pyro flame

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>>160017118

Well, it works for CCS at least, around 50 poise though might have to try it with less.

Does it work the same for PvP and PvE for poising through stuff? Could I test this shit out in the catacombs for example? Seems like lothric knights fuck my shit up regardless.

>>160018249
>go to the lowest entrance of the Cathedral of the Deep
>realize that Cathedral was literally ripped out from where it was before and moved into a new location
>went into Irithyll
>road you would need to normally take is completely obstructed by boulders, with broken lamp post nearby
>entire Settlement is utterly fucked, with cracks everywhere and buildings being dangerously close to falling off
>that Kiln segment when you see an enormous mishmash of castle and graveyard rubble
They also gave a good felling of lands actually converging on each other.

>>160014316
That sounds like a connection issue if they didn't even acknowledge you.

Shit sucks that someone might think you're a hacker because of a bug that has been around since release. Fuck you From.

>>160017937
>Friede is From
>Ariandel are the players who have been requesting a flail to be added to the games
>get Rose of Ariandel
>it's a whip
At least it's good tho'

>>160018148
FAP ring
Max pyro
DWGR
Lightning infusion
Child mask and Grass Crest
Turn off 60 FPS when fighting bosses like Artorias

>>160018253
>>160018320
>>160018584
thank you

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>>160018564
i was surprised about how much range the damn thing has and how good it is for roll catching, feels like its R1s linger

>>160018718
Oh, and Oscars Crest shield for 4Kings, just block the purple magic missile

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>>160018426
Don't be using my havelfu armor without holding a big ass tooth and a sheet of rock

>halberd needs more poise to HA through a GS than a GS needs to HA through a halberd
>despite them being the same weight class and having similar stat investments

really makes you think

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Guys I just reached the profaned capital.

What am I in for?

>>160017886
Killed them already?

>>160019026
The most Epic Area and Fight of our generation.

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>>160019026

>>160018942

Sorry man, blame from for ruining poise/HA.

>>160019107
They didnt though. and even if this was ds1 dont you dare don Havel's armor without the tooth and rock wall.

>>160018496
Yeah, linearity aside, I was impressed with DaS3's world map and the sense of spatial awareness and travel you got from it. The world connections in DaS1 shit all over 3, sure, but DaS3's world felt like it had multiple very big locations.

>Arena
>using a BKUGS 2 handed
>walk to the guy and swing
>he tries to parry with his buckler

what did he mean by this?

>>160019187

You can't tell me what to do, you're not my real dad.

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>>160019026
Reminder that there is a quest you need to finish.

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>>160019416
"I'm new to this game."

>>160017118
>>160018426
As I said last thread, you need 21,43 poise to tank a 2h CCS at 100% Poise Health and 37,14 poise to tank that at 80% Poise Health

So having 22+ poise with a Halberd should be the best you can do, can tank any 2h medium weapon (katana, curved, ss, halberds) at 100%

>>160019416
It's actually an incredibly deep mindgame, what he's doing is faking you out, since you've seen he clearly doesn't know what he's doing you're more likely to play loose and make mistakes, mistakes he can punish since he isn't really retarded, merely pretending to be.

>>160019416
There are many people who try that.
Some of them with double gold badges and 300+ hours in the game if you check their steam.
They simply never played the previous game and never went against UGS because everyone is so damn worried about using the gay best curved sword available

>>160019626

What the fuck is that comma? Do you mean 21.43 and 37.14?

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did I just get outplayed?

>>160018913
I just stood there in full havels and mashed R1 with a lightning club

>>160019793
Decimal comma

why does great scythe take so much skill
>low damage
>rewards good spacing
>punishable
>cant trade with it
>hunts down people with running 2hr1
>easy to be reaction parried

>>160019947
This is why pokey weapons are fucking cancer.
Never run, always roll, no matter how far they are poking, ROLL. It's like running washing pole, always assume it will hit no matter how far it is attacking.

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>>160019947
>2016
>Not rolling every attack
Should have learned by now

>>160020247
woah what kind of build is that

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Anyword on the 2nd dlc...God forbid I don't get my astora fix. Londor can go get fucc'd

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So why did he smash the baby?

>>160020247
I fucking love when they bounce

>>160009124
>>160008704
Shut the fuck up you stupid shitposters.

>you'll be overleveled
What, like he can't just choose NOT to level up?

>>160008563
You should just do whichever chalices feel "fair" given your current level and upgrades.

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>>160020319
>astora
>land of the most incompetent fuccboi knights in the series
>dlc material
lmfao

>>160020360
It was invisible, just an accident

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>>160019947
>>160020173
That's clearly a latency issue though, and not because of pokey attack.

Look at the webm, he's obviously looking where red was a split second ago, and when red started running he ran straight at blue on his screen.

>>160020247
>Lose with Carthus cancer sword
>Switch to Gaygoyle crutch spear and lose again
Fucking kek
It is a special kind of pleasure seeing a tryhard like that lose.

>>160020502
It's because of pokey attack that the latency issue is more apparent. With other weapons they don't have as much reach and speed.

>>160020502
Doesn't matter how good the connection is, that always happens with poke attacks. Always roll.

>>160020130
What attack rating are you getting on yours and what do you normally use the weapon art for? I just started using mine on a hollow build and I like its moveset even if it's as slow as a greatsword and seems to barely outrange it.

>>160020660
>>160020652
That happens with every weapon. It's just more obvious with pokes.
It's the latency, not the attack type.

>>160020806
It's the poke, m8. It's always the fucking poke.

>>160020130
Or you could just use lmao 2scythe and fuck them up with the lmao combo if they take out a parry tool.

>>160020858
It isn't. Explain your reasoning.

You just don't notice it with horizontal swings, because it would've hit you anyway because its horizontal and would've caught up with you.

>>160020939
Spear chucker I swear to fucking god

>>160020806
It does happen with every weapon you idiot but if you haven't noticed poking attacks are way better at catching you because they come out faster. If someone's poking you and you think you're not getting hit guess what, you are.

>>160020767
2 handed i get around 400 ar with my 40/40 quality build and i mainly use the WA to clip people or to kill with a trade

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>dark sword just goes through perseverance

seems about right

>>160021009
Except i'm not.
But i see you can't make a counter argument.

>>160021018
And? I'm not denying this. It's still a latency issue.

>>160021162
>Standing still
No shit

>>160021162
>perseverance makes you invincible

are you retarded?

>>160021192
I'm not denying that either.

>>160021243
I take it you don't know how preserv works

Would you say the longsword or the claymore is better in das3's pvp environment

>>160021162
You have to use L2 then immediately R1 after that. Works if you mash R1.
You just standed there, waiting for the rape, my dude

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>>160021273
Good.

>>160021162
>>160021243
>>160021256
You can't reapply perseverance before it's over. Doesn't extend the time.

>>>/r9k/

Is there a weapon that does well throughout the game when raw, aside from ASS and dragonslayers?

>>160020247

That's great but like parrying the answer is a shield, I always just go for the backstab on perseverance crutch players.

>>160021192
The poke is the problem. Don't try to deny this.

>>160021375
That is literally not the problem.
He activated the WA and did nothing. He needs to attack to make the poise work.

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>>160020173
>>160020247
I blame DS2 for making me conserve stamina as a habit for rolls instead of mashing it.

>>160021416
The latency is.

The poke is just faster, and it is more obvious because it's not horizontal, which means it's not masked by the attack type.

>>160021256
>>160021243
>>160021319

Are you guys trolling? Preservation gives you a shit ton of HA and some absorbtion. You don't need to be swinging the weapon(and obviously you couldn't even if you wanted to because there's an animation). Very clearly in the webm you can see I get zero HA. Wasn't like he was using a large weapon either.

What >>160021375 makes more sense. I didnt know using it again doesnt make it refresh.

How does dark magic scale in this game? Is it best to split points between int and faith or is it better to stack most in just one of them? The dark infusion seems to scale off both stats, but the spells are jumbled all over the place with some being pure int some pure faith and some between.

>>160019947
>the best spear in the game is a halberd
>same range (or more?) but does more damage which is all physical, actually affected by poise even if it's shitty now, top-tier WA which makes leo even more broken, horizontal R2 slash 'cause halberd, much harder to parry animation

What did From mean by this?

>>160021494

You don't need to attack for perseverance to work.

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Could anyone link me to this poise calculator thingamajig from a previous thread?

Mostly want to know what the value for halberds is for 2HR1 from a GS now, I don't care if it's high I just want to know if it's even reachable now.

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>>160021494
alright fuckboy listen up

dont you EVER reply to one of my posts again

EVER

>>160021575
>>160021602
It does refresh with each cast.
What you don't understand is that he hit you right after the animation of the WA ended. Check the webm frame by frame, he was standing still right after the perseverance animation ended.
At that point he wasn't attacking, the WA was active, but you weren't attacking, so you won't poise through.
He would poise his attack if he had attacked during the WA animation or during a swing right after the WA, which he didn't do.

pretty slow day for a Saturday
anything happen?

>>160021494
>>160021825
mo you tard, you dont need to attack, if you did itd be useless. I've tanked plenty of attacks by using perseverance without attacking.

>>160021825
see >>160021763

shut the fuck up

>>160021597

GFS is better than the RHH, lad.

>>160021856
We're avoiding you

>invade a host
>World seeded
>Host nowhere to be found
>Wait it out
>5 Darkmoons all either died to mobs or me
>Host ends up disconnecting
Hosts are such fags.

>>160022002

Only thing the GFS has going for it is the length. It still does shit-tier damage and you better use a shield with it or else you're getting parried.

>>160021597
RHH is actually pretty tiny.
Best physical spear is plow or WP if you want to keep making the joke
Perseverance may not be charge levels of uselessness but ut's pretty bad

>>160022260
perseverance is god tier m8

>>160020247
>takes out a onehanded spear to deal with perserverance

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>>160021009

What do you want? Also I'm not that guy, also the javelin's reach with normal attacks is short af, it's pretty awful as a spear it's more like a throwable strength-scaling katana. I mostly just chuck spears and do running R1's with it.

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>>160021763
See? I literally explained to you here >>160021825
The attack needs to go DURING the WA animation or in a swing right after
In here >>160021162 the WA animation just ended and you got hit.
Pic related

>>160022395

It still boggles my mind how even tryhards still find medium shields extremely offputting.

Perseverance is basically a different form of parrying, shields counter both. I beat both with my spear and board build by doing the same thing: backstab fishing.

>>160019947
your hitboxes basically leave afterimages as your connection with your opponent worsens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QWWCSx3r1s
>haha at least this makes parrying easier! t. scott jund

>>160021901
As long the perseverance animation is in progress it will poise.

>>160021964
Fuck off thanks.

>>160022393
It's a scrubslayer, not a WA that helps a lot

>>160022752
>It's a scrubslayer
Majority of the playerbase is scrubs though
Even at meta ranges

>>160022569
>Perseverance is basically a different form of parrying
that's like saying hyperarmor swings are a form of parrying

>shields counter both
you can backstab either one without a shield

>It still boggles my mind how even tryhards still find medium shields extremely offputting.
because shields are backstab training wheels that are never nessecary at all, and any other advantage they offer is pointless or done better with something else

>>160022827
Doesn't mean you should judge a WA according to them.
They're the same guys that made ultras be nerfed

>>160020494
>Solaire and Oscar
>incompetent
before you say Anri, (s)he was an Astoraboo, not a real knight from Astora

>>160022542
If he got hit while attacking with one-handed greatsword he wouldn't poise through the dark sword, because perseverance has nothing to do with weapon animations. They are independent from each other and attacking doesn't extend perseverance.

>>160023126
He would.

>>160021825
> after the animation of the WA ended
You can cast perseverance with greathammers and switch to other weapons with it still active, the cast animation isn't the end of the poise. >>160021375 is correct.

>>160022648
Your first claim was that "He needs to attack to make the poise work." >>160021494 Nice back pedalling.

>>160023202
Only if it was right after he used perseverance, but not because he attacked.

>>160023113
Oscar got rekt with a +8 Sword in a level where everything dies in two hits with a starting weapon.

Solaire is probably one of the most competent people in the series though

Why can Friede seemingly magically escape some backstabs?

>>160023304
I literally explained what happened with a fucking picture. How dumb can you be?
He got hit in idle position, not during the WA, not during a swing.

>>160023345
>Solaire is probably one of the most competent people in the series though
Weakness: bug

>>160022542
>>160022648
once again proving you dumbass wrong

check this webm https://my.mixtape.moe/kiwiis.webm

i intentionally kept using it, and you can CLEARLY SEE plenty of times where I did it super early, much earlier than >>160021162 and yet still poised.

The HA frames last so long in fact, than you can actually see him hit me again while I'm walking and I don't flinch


Apologize.

>>160023347
She ravioli your backstab bro. She got sick pvp skillz

>>160023403
You don't need to be in any of those to benefit from perseverance. You can cast it with a greathammer and spring backstab people through swings. You don't need to be in a casting or attack animation.

>>160023403
You're still wrong because you can't refresh perseverance unless the perseverance buff is over, retard. That was the real problem.

>>160023412
Kek

>>160023482
>She ravioli
Excuse me, what?

>>160023507
>spring backstab
my favorite seasonal variety of backstab
meant sprint

>>160023537
You can.

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>>160023614
ravioli ravioli, give me the formuoli

>>160023345
Oscar singlehandedly freed you from your cell. He got rekt by the Asylum Demon. It's possible that it's so weak when we fight it because it got heavily hurt while fighting Oscar.
I still can't comprehend why he gave his estus to you instead of fucking drinking it and healing his wounds, though.

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4KB, 185x186px

I haven't pvp'd much in 3 and what i'm getting from this thread is that i shouldn't bother.

3 sounds like it has the dumbest multiplayer mechanics in the series, like protective rings for example being less effective against players.

Why is Friede a giant if she's an ash just like us? Yuria isn't a giant either, so there's no reason to think that Londor sisters are just big girls 4u

I said apologize.

>>160023749
k >>160023441

>>160023614

Do you even backstab escape into roll backstab to punish a ravioli?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hVMz9_MzuI

>>160023827
Makes for a better boss
Not everything is lore related

>>160023901

fug, wrong video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7fIDYIINHM

>>160023798
most enemies in the asylum completely suck regardless, especially with Oscar's gear and everything. It would not be hard to free one guy from his cell when every enemy in the level is overwhelmingly weak.

Even when you go back through the other way, everything is easy.

I CAN'T FUCKIGN BEAT GWYN

FUCK THIS SHIT FIGHT

I CAN BEAT NG+7 KALAMEET AND MANUS, BUT I CAN'T FUCKING BEAT GWYN


FUCK THAT FUCKFACE AND HIS STUPID FUCKING "LOL U LE DIED FOR FUICKING UP YOUR PARRY XDD" ATTACKS

>>160023827
Vendrick is a human who's bigger than most giants.
Gwynevere is a fucking building compared to her father.
Ciaran is a demigod but she's the same size as you.
Sizes have always been fucked up in this franchise. Don't think about it, just embrace it.

>>160023901
>>160023761
Another meme I never needed to know about..

>>160024041

Gwyn is harder in NG if you don't have a good shield. Gwyn is probably the hardest boss in higher NGs.

>>160024008
It's funny how all Dark Souls 1 "techniques" resolves around
>Teleports behind U
>No I teleport behind U
lmao

>>160024041
>fucking up your parry
Literally how? As soon as you see his right hand moving, press l2

>>160024010
He was at the top of the Asylum that we've never had access to. We don't know how things are over there, and we have no idea how he acquired the key.

>>160024008
DaS1 pvp like this was awful

>>160024149

Just like in your favourite animes?

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>>160024149
DaS 1 meta was kinda stupid.

>>160024240
No, I only watch mecha anime

>>160017110
s-stop, I don't like this