/domg/ - Dominions General

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TIL Shattered Soul and Insanity stack.

REEEEEEEEEEEEE

Third for dedder than Ermor's hopes and dreams

>>159942239
Why would they? Their nature is differen from each other.

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the cycle continues...

>Non lifeless undead are still vulnerable to cascades, too

They are vulnerable if they're in the AoE, but mages will not target them

I'm not restarting again, you need to do your turns ulm or I will find someone who will

>>159939294

Sounds like those can make thugs out of the boxes, if you just give them a massive armor and shield without worrying about them falling asleep on the job.

>>159945860
What is the game name?

>>159946058
Steel_domg_run

>>159945860
At this point I would assume that Ulm is a troll and his build is probably intentionally shit.

>>159945987
They have good armor already, but it's still more reliable to spend the 15 gems on summons. They have low defense and only 18 hp.

>>159946174

What thug chassi can you get for 15 gems? That's pretty cheap.

>>159946102
Oh, I see. Not a fan of summod, so sorry.

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>>159946198

Need two people to set two nations AI, come into steam chat if your up for it

>>159946718
In that case I'll be going to as well.

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>>159945078
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>159946198
He was quoting a post talking about LA Ulm's ghoul commanders. I was saying that they're unreliable to thug. My 15 gems was referring to minimal thug gear.

>>159946226
Vava plz ;_;

Abysia has managed to lose to the barbarians and their cap remains under siege.

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It turns out my math was a bit off.

>>159947582
I like the lizards mechanically, but dislike their lore and aesthetic

>>159947430
Is it their cap too? I saw that they had another fort sieged.

>>159947430
pls no bully

>>159946102
Don't worry, I did a double

>>159947430
It wasn't the cap.

>>159948256
>>159948358
You are right it was Baccar. Still, barbarians are giving them a harder time than Ulm did.

>>159948569
>Implying there's a difference

>>159948763
>implying Ulm ever managed to win a fight

>>159947582
How did that happen? You had a lot more mage support, which makes this loss a bit confusing.

>>159950257
All of his units were chaff, whereas lizards had real troops. Also, lizards has supermages pathboosted with 4 com slaves, possibly with a double-communion setup given that the slanns can autocast

>>159950521
Slann famalam.

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Can the hot russian meme reanimate a dead thread?

>HELLO EVERYBODY, MY NAME IS MISTER BAT.I LIVE AT THE SHORE, IT'S NICE HERE AND THEY FED ME GIRLS. THERE ARE A LOT OF FREAKS AROUND, BUT PEOPLE SAY THAT THOSE ARE FROGS. I AM A BLIND BAT AND CAN'T SEE A THING. GIVE ME MONEY, I AM BEGGING YOU, AS MUCH AS YOU WILLING.

>I NEED THEM VERY MUCH. I FEEL MYSELF VERY BAD HERE.I KEPT IN CAPTIVITY, IN PRISION. THEY SAY THAT I AM "IM-PRI-SO-NED" BECAUSE I WAS ASS LICKING PANTOCRATOR, NOW I AM ROTTING HERE.

>EVERY COIN WILL BE USED TO SET ME FREE. I DON'T WANT TO PLAY THIS SHIT. HELP.

Welp, down goes a pile of ba'al to an ocean of water elementals. That is painful.

>>159952641
has riley discovered ele spam?

>>159952641
I hope you weren't using those Ba'als as SCs

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>>159953471

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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=CastInTheNameOfBobYeNotGuilty

Join the game! No Ulm means no staling!

>>159950257
>>159950521
That and everything except the Saurus Warriors and Chameleon Skinks having BV probably didn't help much.

>>159954820
Joined as Ulm.

>>159954934

Motherfucker.

Aurum can summon an ethereal sacred for 1 death gem lmao. I can't stand this constant cavalcade of bullshit

>>159954981
I'm actually too busy staling in real life to join a game right now.

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>>159952641
>>159953471
Kek

>>159955449
yo monkeys here send me that vine shield nigga

>>159955748
What'll you give me for it senpai?

>>159955839
whatever popped when i got his other stack

i think it had a herald lance in it, a caudron of endless broth, and some other shit

>>159955897
Fine, send me something magic dudes can use.

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>>159955449
just why

>>159956051
what did he mean by this?

>>159956129
I mean I have no idea whats useful to me at this point so I'll leave it to the monkeys discretion.

>>159956330
ill need one more turn to get the guys carrying it back to the lab

>>159956389
Same here.

>>159956107
I have studied the ways of UW warfare. My water elemental spam is second to none.

Raise Dead

>>159958283
Banishment

So why does Sum1's google docs spreadsheet have multiple columns for "What nations were there?" and "What nations won?"

>>159958283
>not casting Twiceborn

>>159958407
disciple games

Life After Death.

Why are MA Agarthan Infantries strictly worse than indy Heavy Infantry?

>>159960314
We arent in battle.

>>159960538
For reference, they're 10s in everything except prot, def, enc and AP, with indy HI having 16, 12, 6 and 9, while Agarthan Infantries have 15, 14, 7 and 8, for identical gold and resource costs.

>>159960538
Because you should be using shard guards and defenders of the hall instead.

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Anyway, looks like I'm attacking Lemuria now. They've been friendly enough, but I was getting tired of fighting off their dominion. Also I was getting bored.

I lost one of my two attacks due to an unexpected encounter with their Lich Queen, but here's her paths, if anyone wants to know.

>>159960538
>>159960694
1. looks like they're not strictly worse
2. there are other differences too
3. doesn't matter, you should never be using them anyway

>>159960964
What was she casting? Where was she at?

>>159961016
>only better def
>L1 weapon that does less damage as opposed to a L2 weapon that does more
uh huh

>>159960964
INNOVATIVE

>>159961271
She was at 144. I saw her cast Raise Dead, Flying Shield, Horde of Skeletons, Terror, Astral Shield, Paralyze, and Nether Bolt.

>>159961635
Thats like literaly nothing. 30 jaguar warriors withoit a bless would have been enough.

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>Game name is "Can into host"

>host is staling

>>159962014
Rip moat

>>159961352
>broadsword is better than shortsword
>+2 def doesn't matter
I see your problem. Have you tried getting gud?

>>159961857
That's exactly what I had, plus a bless, but they ended up routing after I lost a little under half. There were 20 ghosts too, but they didn't last long. I'm not sure what happened.

Maybe I wasn't paying attention to scripting or I got horribly unlucky or something. I dunno.

>>159962154
Tried and failed desu

>>159962216
Dont know, maybe i'm underestimating unscripted lich queen.

>>159962448
unscripted lich queen will resort to summoning more skeletons, that plus a bad fear check would route jaguars. Espically if the jaguars are not wielding a sufficently "killing" bless. If mcitlan has something like N9B9 I can see him losing

Abyssia how many damn bloodslaves have you got in that pocket of yours?

>>159964989
>expecting MA Abyssia to run out of blood
>ever

>>159965293

I guess its my own fault for even letting Abyssia get this big. Its one of my first games getting this far into the endgame, and had I jumped Abyssia earlier I might have won this by now. Blood is really cancer if it gets into lategame.

>>159965415
Outside of stupid meme games, you'll hit a point in the game, usually around turn 60 or so, where whoever has the widest blood access is going to win. Naturally they need to be of a decent size to actually get there, but still. Blood basically adds an additional economy on top of gold and gems, and uses that economy to summon elite units and mages. If you haven't removed all blood nations by that point, you need to either be a blood nation yourself or have a sufficiently overwhelming advantage in gold/gems/thrones to close out the game.

>>159966070

I feel as if blood could use a bit of a nerf, or at the very least split up their paths a bit. One research tree and you can get multiple game winning spells. Once you get a blood economy flowing you can cast almost any spell you want.

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>>159964989

>>159966275
Isnt the idea that you can go blood without going anything else?

>>159966275
It's not a big surprise that some of strongest nations are blood nations with national blood summons that basically hand them the endgame to them if they can get there (which they usually can thanks to having something like great expansion, great sacreds and/or strong magic)

>>159966275
A solid blood economy is such a chore to set up and maintain that it deserves a big payoff.

I'd be fine with a blood power nerf if we had slaves travel to the labs on their own, like gems do.

You mus have a lot of Nature gems if you can afford to waste them on werewolves White.

looks like yomi is rubbadub's first staler

but let's wait to see if he does it again

>>159966070
This is honestly why I hate LA. The whole game boils down to whoever demons hardest. Jomon would be a really cool nation in MA, but they can't into blood so they just lose. Agartha can actually win off a hard mid-game push and Atlantis can take on just about any nation early, but both have only middling win rates because there's too much blood to remove all of it.

>>159967293
How is Jomon's UW game anyway? I saw that they have unique units underwater.

>>159967765
Better than their land. The shark infantry are very sturdy front liners that hit hard, but suffer from low attack density. They work well when mixed with humans on land or shrimp UW.

Their dragons are big mages, especially for LA, and let you drop acid storm, living water, or just big falling frosts/cleansing water. They're much easier to use than the wide-but-shallow land mages.

>>159967293
The solution to blood is to let Lemuria kill off the world's population.
Donate death gems to your friendly neighboorhood spook.

>>159967970
Need pearls for that, my love. Even then, it's not often available until late enough in the game that Big Blood Nation Y has already won

>>159954982
>joins mod meme game
>surprised when he gets memed

>>159954982
How does it compare to a lictor?

>>159969341
New mod meme game when? I want to get memed.

>>159969496
We could do a warhammer modnat game, we even got the right map for it.

>>159969576
Do it nerd.

>>159969576
I actually want to try that. A game where every single nation is bullshit OP sounds like great fun honestly.

Speaking of Blood Nations, how well does LA Ulm plays? Vampire nation looks cool af

>>159969576
Dibs on tomb kings.

>>159971202
You can't just make up factions.

Yo antiquis Vanheim, slowpoke that I am, I only now opened the turn and got your message.
I will be in steam chat

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>>159971279
Nigger...

>>159962216
I'm going to be retaking the province Lemuria took from me this turn to secure my retreat.

OK this is absurd. Last call for sub/ someone to set Jotun AI. Otherwise, I'll forcehost until they're ded.

>>159967293
It does tend to skew the percieved powerlevels of a lot of nations. LA Agartha deserves to be T1, but because it's not blood in 'The Blood Age', it ends up being T2 or even T3.

>>159971408
>He doesn't know

>>159971734

Would offer to set him AI, but I'm in game myself.

rubbadub yomi are you still playing?

In the llamaserver settings, what is the difference between graphs off and no info on other players?

>>159971734
I'll do it. [email protected]

>>159971771
Agartha can win, it just needs to kill the blood powers early. Tomb Oracles come online fairly early, and they have excellent midgame magic on both their alchemists and reanimators. As long as Agartha pushes to win by turn ~60 or so, it's fine, and it has the tools to do so.

>>159973105
Thanks. No Info doesn't even let you see pretender names or nations.

>>159973105

Graphs off means graphs off, but still discoverable through Eyes of God, sites, spies, et cetera.

No info means you don't even get pretender names.

>tfw you get Const 8 late but still manage to grab one artifact booster

It's a conflicted kind of feel.

>>159973427
>hit const 8 late, but see that nerds have been making the pocket knight and holger the head and left me with both of the valuable death boosters and one of the unique astrals

>>159973105

Wait, are you joining to set him as AI or as a sub?

is anybody even bothering to stop gray in vanilla cat?

>>159974003
I cant stop anyone with white on my ass. What are you doing about it?

>>159973563
You might as well summon me for 4 water gems as I am now a fully gelatinous creature.

>>159974003
White and Red certainly aren't, and now he's eating Black.

>>159974084
i guess i can help

>>159973994
Set him AI. Did you want to sub?
I'll do it when I get home, so you have 15m or so if you want to take Jotunheim over

>>159971409
You can try =)

>>159974140
I cant exactly afford to invade someone else with armies of naked people at my doorstep.
>>159974174
That would be swell.

>>159974084
>>159974140
>>159974174
I'll just point out that Red has a bunch of devils hanging around, warlock apprentices if not warlocks, and enough blood research to send disease demons after my guys. Not somebody you want to see reach lategame.

>>159974489
And soon, my son, all of this will be yours.

>>159974489
All my poor devils are dead and I dont have the paths for anything but pure blood spells.

>>159974573
I'm sure I'll make good use of it, with turmoil, no growth scales and drain on top of it.

>>159974584
I'm still seeing devils in my scout reports. Not to mention that devils are, y'know, Blood/Fire.

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>>159973296
>as long as they push for turn 60 win
shame it's my first time playing them or I would feel confident in that regard, at least my pretender is designed for some Late game dealios (that don't involve blood)

>>159974140
I haven't even taken Black's capital yet, so I think "eating" is a bit of an overstatement here. I think Brown got more of their land than I did. Honestly, at this rate I'm going to be the last survivor with two capitals.

Anyone is welcome to invade me if they want, though. Just be warned that I have an aversion to starting wars so I'd appreciate someone making the choice of who to fight next for me.

>>159974776
Easy to get your hands on devils when you have a F1 B7 jaguar.

>>159974295

Nah I'm already a player in the game, sub would have been preferred but if we can't get that AI is fine too

>>159974803
Honestly, the pretender doesn't matter hugely aside from the bless, astral booster access for golems/magic phase necromancer movement, and global access (WoM/EBDW). Anything else that's theoretically great for you late game either doesn't matter (you will never have the gems for high astral under normal settings, and having a ring or two is w/e) or won't help you (demons love utterdark, and you can't switch to a full-gem economy with just tomb oracle mages). If you play Agartha, you MUST play aggressively.

>>159974914
Sounds like a soul contract pretender to me.

>>159975119
Can you do this with every nation?

>>159974837
>Brown got more of their land than I did
Yeah, right, I'm sieging a cap and another fort right now, but with my troops it's taking forever. I'm just trying to outraid the AI at this point. I'm the idiot who chose a bless and got exactly fuck all out of it.

Yeah, and aquamarine (or was it teal?) is sieging the former purple's capital, and he has bone fiends for some reason. Site? Summoning?

green here

i really wanted to just make magic artifacts but i couldnt get the research for it in time

now im gonna hang myself in my

>>159975389
Do what?

>>159975443
Rushing artifacts is a legit good strat, especially if you can craft the magic lamp. Instant diversity.

>>159975438
It's either from a site or a Mistake. Bone fiends are ass and blood slaves can be used for awesome.

>>159975459
Break down their strengths, long-term strategies, overall play style.

>>159975196
Thats exactly what it is, I didnt know what I would get so I said fuck it soul contracts. But then I only went and made three soul contracts.

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>>159975552
That's a lot of both bonefiends and skellies though.

>>159973105
>>159973310
It's done.

>>159975635
>3 devils per turn
>cataclysm
We have a winner for this shit game, ladies and gents.

>>159975719
Thank you. I also thought I was definitely going to get attacked when I staled. What happened to those armies, neighbors? Let's be friends instead.

>>159975725
>he says after maenids killed most of them.
We are a nation of peace. I only attacked pink because pink is a slow bollocks and even then I got wrecked.

>>159975119
playing aggressively has worked so far that's true, just ask lemuria

>>159975571
Sure. It's a long-term plan. I made a video for LA Agartha, actually, but atm it's literally just me talking for an hour and I want to do, like, actual footage of fights with certain spell strategies and stuff and I have relatively little time to spend on the videomaking stuff.

LA Agartha's actually straightforward, since it has just a few strong strategies with clearly defined paths

>>159976032
>it's just me litearlly talking for an hour
nuclear monkey much?

>>159975438
Sounds like both of us were expecting this Black invasion thing to go better, then. I'm probably lucky that they're focusing on you.

I think I've seen Aquamarine with a lot of bone fiends too, but I don't know where they came from. I have no idea what Aquamarine has been doing all game.

>>159976210
Summoning bone fiends it looks like.

>>159976032
oh I forgot to mention: I also really like agartha because they have native Vitriol lion access

Which is better, ironskin or invulnerability?
My enemy isn't using many magic attacks, so I feel like invulnerability should be better. But at the same time, it seems like such a risk since all it takes is for his shit mages to go offscript and cast one magic damaging attack.

>>159978912
iron skin, though if they ave access to lighting bolt/T-strikes you could face trouble

>>159954820
>>159954934
>>159954981

Jokes on you, I joined in as Ulm instead.

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1v4 was already hard. Now it's 1v5! I do not expect to be doing this well for very much longer. =(

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>>159979942
>1v4
>gaining provinces
>AS MIDGAME LEMURIA
fucking how?

>>159980181
Innovation.

>>159980181
It's all part of the innovative Lemurian strategy.

While we're on the subject (or close enough), what are some good uses for blood magic? I'm trying to learn blood nations and I'm not sure what to focus on.

I've heard of soul contract spam and massing storm demons, but I'm not sure what else. Are any of the cheap low-level summons worth it? What about Ritual of the Five Gates?

>>159969576
The warhammer map is awful.

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>>159954982
Aren't you winning? In a 1v2, no less.

>>159969462
Significantly weaker, in my opinion. It has MRN weapons and a much weaker statline. But go ahead and decide for yourself, I've attached the stats.

The real advantage is that the summon scales, so Aurum can get 9 for a single death gem with his D9 pretender. He can't easily get other high-death casters, however. Best he gets natively is a D1 random on his cap-only mage.

>>159980181
I always thought the patterns on that table were spoons.

>>159980794
>MRN weapon
>no prot

yeah these guys are nothing to freak out over

>>159980794
If that's a banefire shield, they are MASSIVELY better than lictors

>>159980887
The fire attack secondary effect is not MRN, and they have 6 attacks/square that deal pretty high damage if the MR check fails.

>>159980976
anything that is 0 prot is a huge downside till battleield prot buffs come online.. now if you let these guys reach the end game then you have a big problem

>>159980976
>If that's a banefire shield, they are MASSIVELY better than lictors
It is, but only 4 damage. I'm fairly sure it gets reduced by 1 damage per weapon length too.

Unless you're punching them with no armor, I can't see how you'd get hurt much.

>The fire attack secondary effect is not MRN
It's on-damage, so you have to pass the initial MRN check first.

>>159981215
Also, another thing to consider is that Aurum has a D9 bless, not whatever tribless abomination is most popular on Ermor.

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>>159980483
Vampire lords for solid D3B3 immortal flyers with good stats.

The summod mod gives considerable buffs to lower level blood summons spine devil and serpent fiend, it depends on things like do you need above average darkvision troops right now to take a series of cave provinces (where normal units get heavy attack/defence penalties).

>>159974803
Digital colouring and the lack of details in this modern time makes me sad.

What is the appeal of custom nations

>>159981448
They're broken in all the right ways

>>159981448
Maybe if you start one up we can find out.

>>159981408
While that individual pic is good, there's a lot of bad older anime art. Most of it just doesn't see the light of day anymore. The average quality of content, including detail, has only gone up with digital tools making doujin production easier. The difference is mostly just that we see new and bad stuff more frequently than we see old and bad stuff.

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>>159981408
just the way the world turned, made it cheaper and easier to pick up drawing. sad but it is what it is. Also not all old porn art was great either, it's just harder to find now

>>159981448
Illwinter has a really good thorough understanding of myth and history, but they spend too much time jacking over scandinavian heritage to actually do anything with it, nations like ea machaka just seem incredibly lazily done, they're also garbage at designing fun nations, and the only vanilla nations with a speck of depth to them are blood nations.
Even worse, shit like EA Xibalba exists, a couple players take the nations that illwinter accidentally made good, other players take trap nations they really like the theme of only to find out illwinter was too busy on cocaine cruises to actually think about whether or not they'd be fun to play.

With modnations everyone has the freedom to be xibalba.

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>>159981813
It's the hand-crafted pixels vs hastily assigned computer rendered gradients that bugs me. You'd think 32 bit colours would be much more impressive than RGB. With the need to push hardware to the limits removed, the spell for effort was also removed.

>>159970275
THey are a blood nation that doesn't require much research into blood.
You can effectively spend all your slaves on summoning Vampire Counts and Fiends of Darkness and research other schools to give them things to cast in battle.
I like to get up to Blood 4 for Bloodlust

>>159982401
There is significantly more good digital art than there used to be and that the existence of bad modern digital art doesn't make that go away. Yes, people can make mediocre art more easily, but I wouldn't even consider that a bad thing.

>>159982401
Also, a quick reverse image search shows that the dude who made that pic is modern.
http://pixeljoint.com/p/2203.htm

>>159982224
>the only vanilla nations with a speck of depth to them are blood nations.
Fomoria's good.

>>159983280
Sorry, what I meant to point out is that there are scandinavian nations, there are blood nations (since blood didn't get hit with the stick like gems did between dom3 and 4), and then there's everything else.

>>159983119
I'm aware that the picture itself is just a showcase of what you can do with the RGB, no feels attached.

>>159983479
fomoria is Irish though, not scandinavian

>>159983554
Fine, there's an exception. There's a good nation that isn't blood or Scandinavian, but it's functionally the same, tstrike elves are tstrike elves. Even if they're size 6 and have moose heads. My point stands that there's a small subset of the games mechanics which are actually fun/good relative to everything else.

>>159983774
Ermor is a fun experience now and then. Agartha is pretty neat. Riley has some shit going on in every age.

>>159983774
>there's a small subset of nations, strategies and militaries that are actually good compared to the rest
I knew the game had representing another 'real' world as it's fluff but this is just too realistic.

>>159984028
>Riley has some shit going on in every age.

in summod, yeah. Vanilla EA r'lyeh is less dick than it used to be, but still bad.

>>159984283
Its got a spell that can let their shitty land commanders use an aboleths magic paths which is pretty unique.

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>>159984028
>Ermor is a fun experience now and then.
I think you have played too much Dwarf Fortress.

>>159983774
Aren't EA and MA Pan seen as some of the most overall good nations?

So what are the good MA Marignon builds and strats now with Summod? You need S or at least E on your pretender if you want to get angels, but they're so strong with a bless you want N9W9D9B9 at least.

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>>159984636
>you want N9W9D9B9 at least.

>>159984636
Yeahh, with the new changes Death 3 and pillaging your own provinces with quadbless are actually viable due to all the flagellants generated. I'm not kidding. The flagellants pop up like in Qonguest of Elysium.

>>159984636
Flaggs are still shit, knights are okay but still expensive, no one recruits paladins

>>159984543
Yeah, but they have no depth at all. They're good because they're retardedly straightforward

>Recruit revellers
>Buff revellers with E and N
>Win game

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>>159984636
It's F9W9B9S9 you scrub
>>159984802
Only on small maps. I built a total of one fort that game.
>>159984821
The reveller nerf really did hurt that a lot, actually. They're still good, but you'll want to rely on centaur for longer, at least in MA. I'm trying out using the lance centaur too. Undisciplined makes buffing significantly less expensive with large numbers just because of the AoE issues, and being unable to have them hold/attack also makes positioning a bit annoying.

>>159984821
And what exactly gives the Scandinavian nations so much more depth?

>>159980794
>Aren't you winning? In a 1v2, no less.
All Dom4 players are losing to a lesser or greater extent

>>159985086
The devs are scandinavian.

>>159985246
He means what in game.

>>159985337
Major: air access, death access, blood access, earth access. All the most interesting/effective paths.

Giant, shapeshifting and flying mechanics.

Adaptability to multiple different ways to play the nation.

>>159981448
For me it's mainly the chance to get away from the well-known strategies in vanilla.

Modnations are rarely played (and nationgen gets you a new batch every time) so there aren't already a ton of strategies figured out for them.

You get to learn how to play them and come up with your own strategy, and to figure out ways to counter other nations.

>>159982224
>the only vanilla nations with a speck of depth to them are blood nations.
Blood nations are the least deep by far. Spam the OP national summon(s) you get, that's your gameplan.

>With modnations everyone has the freedom to be xibalba.
With modnations you get the exact same situation, just with a higher overall powerlevel.

Some modnations are on-par with a standard vanilla nation, some are like EA Xibalba, and many are way beyond anything illwinter has put out.

>>159984636
>You need S or at least E on your pretender if you want to get angels
Um, what? Just trade for earth boots, or even empower in earth for 30 gems.

You have plenty of time to get that extra astral booster while you're researching conj9.

>>159985578
Elves have blood, but it's really, really not impressive compared to real blood nations. Unless you want to call Lanka elves just because they have air magic

>>159985719
Natgen game when?

>>159985881
When bats are removed from the game

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How's this?

>>159987183
Surprisingly okay, yeah. At first I was like "Where are your scales tho?" and then I saw that it was awake. It should be fine

>>159987183
Why is it awake?

Go dormant and get mo' scales

>>159987183
It's alright, but I prefer N9E4 dormant/imprisoned with much better scales.

MA Marignon with P3 and a decent bless can expand fine.

>>159987328
Expansion.

>>159987328
You don't need magic or prod if you have 12 extra provs.

>>159987183

You won't get many knights with those P scales, if that's what you are going for. N9 knights led by a friar can wreck indies with only a handful of knights. Can handle the expansion phase all on their own.

>>159987481
Give an honest go at expansion testing with the awake and neutral prod v prod 3.

>>159987440
The prod will probably get you almost as many provinces and you get to take E4 so you can access Troll Kings and get a +2 reinvig bless on all your mages.

>>159987994
It's a lot fewer, actually. Try it.

>>159987328
Have you ever used a golden boar? It's actually really good for expanding.

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>cast dark knowledge
>silver sarcophagus

>>159988887
Don't be a bitch. Convert that mummy and thug him like he deserves.

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>>159988785 is right he is REALLY good at expanding.
I would have more provinces, but I won the arena twice, and I took a 200g income farm in my cap ring t1 by combining my starting troops and god.
It was knights and longbows, he survived with 12 hp, but the pikemen didn't.
3 additional forts, research almost to conj4. That's pretty nice.

What if arena prizes a) weren't cursed and b)were mini-Draupnirs or gem-gens.

I just really want the arena to have cool battles between powerful units and not just indie commanders.

>>159989913
How about the mod that makes the prizes artifacts and doesn't require the champion to defend his title?

is this warhamer match happening?

>>159991120
I'll play if someone sets it up. I think I will wait until I win a game before I start hosting them.

>>159991274
i think you're me bro.

>>159991673
You poor misfortunate.

WISE FWOM YOUR GWAVE

>>159991274
I'm basically the same. Fuck knows the details of setting shit up and all that and i've never won a game.

Aquamarine stop summoning bone fiends and do your turn.

>>159991274
I hosted my first game ever, and it went okay apart from losing horribly. You can always ask for opinions on settings and thrones and all that.

>>159993863
how much longer does it take than normally just submitting your own turn?

>>159994023
Literally nothing. Admin duties are just stuff like extending turns and subbing people out.

>>159994075
I'll give it a whirl I guess, give me a few minutes to go read the steam page and llama.

>>159994120
Whats the warhammer map called? Also whats a good throne setting?

>>159994023
Like >>159994075 said, you hardly need to do anything after you've set it up. The server handles things for you.

Just keep an eye on this thread to see if anyone needs an extension or substitute, and if a player starts staling multiple times in a row, you might need to set them AI or have someone else take over. Other than that, you'll just be a normal player.

>>159994075
good to hear
i literally just shifted house today, and im hotspotting my internet until the 27th, so i might wait a while before trying to host.

is the only reason people cant host dedicated boxes purely ddos kids?

>>159994379
People have hosted dedicated boxes. PBEM is partly preference, partly inertia

>>159994427
i was just wondering, i joined a server game from a steam group. the turn rate is more like 3 turns/24 hrs which is more my pace.
i can easily play one in the morning, one after work, and one late at night.

>>159994587
Yeah, clockwork hounds is cool. Newer playerbase, but I like that the alternative style of play exists

d e d

Do the warhammer mods come with a bunch of built in mods? Because when I added the nation mods I ended up with a ton of extra shit?

Also game here http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Memes_for_the_Meme_throne

>>159996909
Settings are subject to change because I dont have much idea what I am doing. Not starting provinces though.

>>159996993
Doesn't that map have a bunch of predefined starts?

>>159997104
Does it? I only picked it because it was the warhammer one. I can change it if people want.

>>159997152
I might change it anyway because I cant seem to find where to download the map. If anyone has another suggestion for 16 players please let me know.

>>159997717
This one maybe?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3IGmBe9vPavUWNPMFRKcFk4aHM/edit

Going to need a 12 hour extension on Degeneray.
It probably won't take that long, but I don't have any chance to do it before I stall.

>>159999217
granted

>>159999999

>>159999715
>>160000000

sorry about the autism

If you could only pick B9 or N9 for sacred undead what would you pick?

>>159996909
dem gorka boyz gun fuk yaz up

>>160000284
Bring it on, we wuz kangz an shit.

>>160000139
It depends what stats/weapons those undead have.

http://llamaserver.net/sombre/Dominions4/Maps/

i already got it from somewhere else, but for future reference, where do you get the .tga file?

>>160000850
It seems to be part of the warhammer_v3.7z download. That is the right version of map right?

Hey Brown we cool right?

Boy, I sure do love MILK TOAST AND BANANAS. I love them so much I could probably eat THREE. Yes, that's right, THREE is the number of MILK TOAST AND BANANAS that I could eat and it's definitely not referencing some other thing.

>>160002645
i get the feeling people with province 3 should re-think their position.

someone post something cool.

>>160003895
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQlZsxF9GMA

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>before restart
>great starting position
>farmland and forest all around me

>after restart
>clunky as fuck position
>surrounded by wastes and swamps
>neighbor tiles consist of 40 heavy cavalries, 60 heavy cavalries, 40 amazons and pegasus riders, a throne, and a province with 25 light militia and archers
>go for the last one
>get this

Ulm I will find you and I will hurt you in ways you did not even think were humanely possible.

>>159984821

Revellers are way less ridiculous now they're undisciplined.

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Oooh, SHOCKING bad luck there, Ulm.

>>160009464

Time to stale.

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=CastInTheNameOfBobYeNotGuilty

Better than half way there! Come join the game. I would really like this to start some time this month. Why does noone love me.

>>160009598

He was already last to submit most turns.

>>160007361
>Ulm I will find you and I will hurt you in ways you did not even think were humanely possible.
>>160009464

If you have an Insane/Shattered Soul commander who wins the arena, does the Insane/Shattered Soul chance that makes them waste a turn offer a chance to prevent them appearing in future arena battles?

>>160009793

Impressive, that's not even the same game.

>>160009860
Easy to test. Send a tartarian to the arena and wish for arena several times.

>>159991274
Lukas never won a game and he is admining half the games in this general right now (pretty well, if you ask me), so I dont think that matters.

>>160010885
t. Lukas

also: ded

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>>160009884
My bitterness will transcend the boundaries between games and cause misfortune to befall upon all Ulms currently playing.

>>160009617

p-please sign up for this game senpai's

>>160014730
I already did! Even if i've literally already forgotten who the fuck I signed up as. I think I signed up as a c'tis for something recently, maybe it was that.

>>160014067

What is the meme about Ulm always staling, and people pissed of at Ulm?

Is it because they are usually recommended as the newbie faction, and newbies has a tendency to fuck off when they get bored?

>>160014759
Yes. Though sometimes it's just some faggot trolling.

>>160014759
Essentially. MA Ulm gives the appearance of being a simple nation with no need for magic (since it's literally their lore theme) so a lot of new players will pick them. Unfortunately, this also means that when they get into a game online and find out that whoops this doesn't really work and you do in fact need to make extensive use of magic as MA Ulm, they're pretty likely to just give up and stale out.

>>160014843

I still say that Ulm is probably the SIMPLEST magic faction out there. You have very simple earth/fire combos, craft artifacts and then spam a holy shitload of iron blizzard.

No need for advanced communions or multi-school spells for maximum battle magic efficiency.

>>160014970
You still need to design a proper pretender to have some end-game.

>>160014759
Yes Ulm always stalling is a meme. The reason I'm upset now though is that we restarted the game because of Ulm stalling on turn 1 and lost a good start position in exchange for a horrible one.

>>159996909
Anon there are like 3-4 of every nation as well as other stuff. Just add only the nation mods, I don't think we need more shit.

>>159997104
>>159997152
>>159997717
Don't see why you would, it has predefined starts for WH nations and we're playing with WH nations. So it really shouldn't be an issue.

>>160009464
What game was that? I'm in a game where Ulm uses a dragon, so this is highly relevant.

>>160016016
I did just add the nation mods, but when I went back in to update one of the nations I found all these other mods stuck in. I'll go unfuck it now. Also sorted the map out I think so no change there.

ForNoobs status update: 2/5 players are now AI

wew
e
w

>>160016491
Settings should be less retarded now and Tzeentch was updated to a newer version.

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Memes_for_the_Meme_throne

>>160017409
>Memes_for_the_Meme_throne
>no meme thrones mod

>>160017767
Its a play on skulls for the skull throne.

>>160017824
And a missed opportunity to claim the Throne of Bullying in the name of Khorne.

>>160017875
I could add it in but I hear it can fuck things up a bit.

So kiss me fast
cause there's no time to lose.
Leave the light on I'll come back for you.
When everything is said and done,
I swear I'm gonna make it right.

IM BREAKING OUTTA HERE TONIGHT

>>160016016

This sounds like a fun meme, what do you recommend I join up as? I've played warhammer before, but no idea how they work out in these mods.

>>160018571
Just don't play Skaven and you'll be fine.

>>160017409
I don't know if I want to play Skaven or Khorne. I hear both are fucking stupid, but I feel like Khorne might be fucking stupid in a more amusing way to play. Also i'll get to type in ALL CAPS a lot.

>>160018661

What's wrong with skaven?

>>160018694
They're way too weak, admin should buff them a bit really.

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>>160018694
They are horrifically overpowered.

>>160018740
Admin doesnt even know what his own nation has never mind the skaven.

>tfw too busy to make a total conversion mod

probably when dom5 comes out ill do it.

>>160018865
Post the Grey Seer.

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>>160007361
I always feel bad when this happens. Sorry man

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>>160021641

>>160022118
There it is, S8 for 375g. Cap-only, but not even StR.

>>160022214
I'm not going to pretend like that isn't a bonkers mage, it absolutely is. But at the same time you can't act like that's seriously an S8 basically ever.

>>160018865
>>160022118
I remember playing a version of skaven that wasn't that stupid. Anyone know where it is?

I suggest other people join up as the other chaos nations and we can have a jolly time being chaos undivided and usher in the end times.

>>160022429
how serious is this game? im in 3 right now don;t know if i could focus on a fourth without getting distracted

>>160017409
>>160022429
I'll join up as Tzeentch if nobody else takes it before me.

>>160022475
Pretty not serious I would imagine, considering all the mod nations.

>>160022475
We're playing with some of the least balanced nations ever created. I wouldn't worry about this being a serious game.

>>160022540
haha too late FOOL I HAVE TAKEN TZEENTCH

>>160022649
All accordion to plan.

That mass stale really fucked me up. Lost an army to Sauro, gonna lose a fort now. Time to call the game.

>>160022649
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I'll join as something else, get ready for metagrudge.

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>>160022738
You called me into this game, you ant going anywhere fuccboi

>>160022740
I dont know if that dude is meming or not but it appears that Tzeentch is not actually taken yet

>>160022956
i said that to distract him while i quickly sent in my pretender FOOLS FOOLS FOOLS

>>160022956
Maybe maybe not, either way I'll take a while before I send one in so I'll just pick my nation later depending on what's left.

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>>160023394
Sneaky bastard.

>>160023394
https://youtu.be/vroB0jFBfFE?t=10s

>>160022381
It's vastly better than any recruitable mage you will ever find in vanilla and gives you a fairly reliable access to S8 if you consider boosters.

But yeah, it's not S8 naturally.

>>160022429
I'll play Slaanesh if it's not taken

Where do I need to look for it, and what is the game name?

>>160023713
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Memes_for_the_Meme_throne

Right here senpai.

>>160023624
>not the Dio/DIO team up https://youtu.be/kgJzbSoiSyk?t=8m29s

>>160016135

MuhBalance

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>>159989913
I think this is best solution.

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you want a meme game domg? add better arena mod with weapons of mass destruction. Enjoy random arena winners getting OP artifacts even more so

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>>160009464
Poor iceland

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>>160023713
I don't even like Slaanesh but I reallllly wanted to spite you for some reason.

>>160025091
You're a dick

I just wanted to play a game

>>160025565

I'm not that guy, because he's a dick, but here is a game: http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=CastInTheNameOfBobYeNotGuilty

>>160024958
You know what? I might just do that if no one else has a problem with it.

>>159997104
I don't think so, as Sylvania in scrubwariors I spawned in the north, while dwarves spawned on Drakenhoff castle.

>>159996993
>>159996909
There's a mod with all the warhammer nations compiled in and (most) conflicts fixed. If you just load them all at the same time they have conflicting weapon/spell/monster ids and I'm pretty sure one of the chaos nations outright crash the game on start.

>>160026712
You got a link to it? I just wanted to get the most up to date versions of the nations.

Also who just joined up as unexpected nation?

>>160026712
>>160026812
I loaded them all in at the same time and they start at least. If a mod with all of them compiled doesnt appear I guess we can just see how it goes. Also can confirm that the map doesnt seem to have fixed positions unless tomb kings are meant to start in nuln.

So that cool 20% Blood site disappeared at some point. I didn't even notice because all my blood stuff has been on the front lines but I guess Malphas only gives you the discount for a month or two.

>>160027754

Imma join up as High Elves. No idea how to play them, but looks like I'll need hella lots of money

>>160025091
I joined as Dwarves instead

Because grudges

>>160028593
Holy shit yeah, they seem a bit pricey. Are you the unexpected nation? I mostly want to know so people can know whatever nation that is is unavailable.

>>160029046
Let's just hope your commanders remember that when my boys get their cat charms.

>>160029275

That's not me no, I just sent in my pretender.

>>160030670
I guess we will just have to wait and see.

>>160027767
That's odd, it should only disappear if the enchantment is dispelled. Did the Global get replaced?

>Morka has recruitable units with Invulnerability
Wew lad.

>>160027754
>>160026812
How open are you to tweaking broken stuff, Admin? Trying to balance the nations will be hell but there's going to be a lot of spells and units that don't work correctly. For instance, I've found one combat spell of mine that seems to do jack shit besides fatigue my mages.

>>160034284
Check out the Skaven.

>>160029275
I'm unexpected nation. I tried to join as sylvania but the version the version my pretender is from lists sylvania as nation 109, not 119 like it originally was. So you should probably delete it.

Here is the compiled+merged version of the warhammer mods.
https://ufile.io/2f411

So, testing out Khorne, there's some...kind of hilarious stuff in here. Both in a crazy way and in an awful 'why would you do this' way, like the awful sprite for heralds of khorne who mysteriously have no undead/demon leadership, only regular.

>>160034729
If stuff can be changed without fucking shit up I am down with it but I also have fuck all idea how to do it. I'm mostly in this for a game where everyone has broken bullshit we can have fun with.
>>160034880
Are these the newer versions of the mods?

>>160035162
>Are these the newer versions of the mods?
Perusing the dm, they seem like the same versions.

>>160035605
Good, I'll set that up so.

>>160034284

These nations are hilariously overpowered on every front. My pretender is a flying immortal, fear, fire aura S1F1 burd for 80 points. Try not to think too hard on it.

>9 throne points
>5 to win
>two 2-point thrones in play

ForNoobs indeed, what a waste of time

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>>160035162
>Fuck all idea how to do it
It's not too hard.

>>160035691
You missed the part where it automatically casts Phoenix Pyre.

>>160036380

wot da zog