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/evn/ - English Visual Novels - Basket of Deplorables Edition

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This thread is for the discussion of original English visual novels, as well as western visual novel development.

Do you have a question about a Japanese visual novel or a translation of it? /vn/ is ready to answer it. We are not them.

>Recommended reading:
https://vndb.org/v/all?q=;fil=olang-en.tagspoil-0;o=d;s=rating
http://pastebin.com/zGVSpH0B

>Resources for getting started as a developer:
http://pastebin.com/7LsCvtq3

>Guides for developers on all subjects:
https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewforum.php?f=42

>Ren'Py (visual novel development software):
http://www.renpy.org/

>Discord:
https://discord.gg/T9ygPkz

>Previous thread: >>159031343
>>
When it pulls out the guns
You better give it all yer wealth
(our Gov is an awesome God)
It provides for your defense
And it'll care for your health
(our Gov is an awesome God)
Well, the guvmint wasn't joking
When it killed tens of millions
It wasn't for no reason that we shed that blood
The election's very near, so vote, you civilians!
Our Gov is an awesome God
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DELET THIS
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rree
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Is this going to be the shortest /evn/ of all?
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>>159527483
I hope so. The circlejerk from discord is quite real.
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>>159527483
impossible, we've died at 2 posts before
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Question to discord fags:
You're using discord because you want to team up and make great evn e.g. Katawa Shoujo 2, or you just want to suck someone else's dick?
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>>159528205
Was kinda of curious though.
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>>159528205
Nobody in the discord wants to collaborate. We're all working on our own shit. It's just to get to know other developers from /evn/, and at the same time is an easier way to ask and receive advice from others.
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>>159528736
>and at the same time is an easier way to ask and receive advice from others.

so a circlejerk.
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>>159528205
Collabs can happen, and are always discussed there. Doing a megaproject is not the focus right now because everyone has their own thing going on like >>159528736
said.

>>159529747
Is the thread a circlejerk?
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>>159528205
It's just a comfy chatroom in which we shitpost, and give and receive often unsolicited advice (it's mostly shitposting though).
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>>159530470
>>159528736
sounds gay.
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>>159530951
Nothing is ever straight.
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>>159531142
certainly not on /evn/, we're all lesbians and bisluts here
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>>159532382
death to yuri
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>>159532773
What about furry yuri?
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>>159534303
You mean the wolf girl in Stargazers wanting to fuck the girl with the plush bear head? I'm down with that.
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>>159532773
we get plenty of death in yuri
also rape
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>>159534791
A yuri vn where the love interest gets raped to death by the guy she has an arranged marriage to.
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>>159534869
just imagine how much /u/ would post abot it
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>>159534791
>also rape
Was ladykiller ever uploaded?
I still want to pirate it.
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>>159534869
>>159535098
I actually eat up angst with a spoon so as long as it's only a bad end I would be all over this. Protagonist watching in horror and so on.
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>>159538391
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>>159538391
>>159538612
what's going on with the sprites here
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>>159539125
commercial project.
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>>159529747
Why cant we all love eachother
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>>159539090
She's such a boss.

>>159539125
I've noticed some positioning issues. When Temperence first arrives and you're not in her perspective, Ozuma's sprite overlaps Risty's when they're not in the same location. And Temperence's sprite is hidden by Risty's during a mission briefing later in the game.
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Here's what I know /evn/ lives for.
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Reminder visual novels aren't games, and are e-books.
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>>159539984
I don't think anyone is claiming otherwise
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>>159539978
This vn is so meme-able. And so many good one liners for screenshots.
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>>159540232
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>>159540504
why are they overlapped like this on one side of the screen
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is this whole scene going without any expression/pose changes from the characters? You would think they would show a little emotion for a dramatic scene
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>>159540556
They are having sex, but this is steam version, for $13, so no lewd cgs, instead you get this shit.
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>>159540802
A black screen, or no sprites at all on the background would be better than this mess. I'm not sure how they thought this was okay
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>>159540802
What the fuck
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>>159541056
Thoroughly tested.
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>>159541056
>>159541958
Want full game?
Go to MangaGamer.com™ and purchase Stargazers© for $16, and you will receive "Adult Version"® of this e-book.
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This is starting to look like it could have a poly yuri harem end.
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>>159541958
New error in the text
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>>159544405
>I'd rather not eat <> anytime soon.
What's in <> ?
1)Dick
2)Pussy
3)Cum
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>>159544708
4)Shit
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>>159544862
Attempted yuri rape. That's so edgy.
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>>159545141
So the villains get revealed at the end after all, at least if you complete it from all 3 character perspectives.
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The wolf woman's lines shouldn't be shown under ???, since her name's been known since she first appeared. And it makes her scenes with bear girl confusing, because she's listed as ??? too.
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live
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>>159545528
>>159544405
>>159540504
Ugly sprites.
Ugly/cheap bgs.
Memes.
Bugs.
...
Yet it sells.
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>>159549296
>Yet it sells.
Does it? It's selling some copies on MG because it's new porn, sure, but...
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>>159549296
On MG maybe, but not on Steam due to no uncensor patch.
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>>159549296
If you think anything Taosym does sells, you just don't know Taosym.
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>>159550205

imo Tao is the epitome of "I'll make the type of game I want, despite seemingly being zero audience for it."
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>>159551907
... and then complain about how oppressed they are?
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>>159550205
Toko sold well on Steam...Now if only it'd be completed.
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>>159552697
Who wears a skirt like this
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>>159552925
She obviously has back problems, so it's a back brace skirt.
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>>159552925

it looks like it could be a low cut jumperskirt.
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>>159552925
Sluts?
>>159552814
Did it actually or are you confusing bundle results with sales?
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>>159552697
セクシー
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>>159553501
It wasn't bundled. It's been half off.
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Any other people who played Stargazers want to comment on it. You have to 100% the routes to truly appreciate it and for it to feel like it has any kind of semi resolution. It's still leading into a larger story.
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>>159554040
>It's still leading into a larger story.
I don't know why anyone would expect anything different, that's the case with everything Lupiesoft releases. Never a "complete" project.
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dead at 68
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>>159554830
But you totally trust them to do a real story in Dizzy Hearts, right?
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>>159557853
DH is never coming out
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work
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>>159559863
Where?
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>https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=41085

i think this is marble syrup
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>>159552697
where at?
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>>159561165
https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=41100
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>>159561074

> all those requirements

lmao
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>>159561609
>gxg

looks promising.
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>>159561074
The balloon tiddies meme needs to go
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>>159561609
>red string doesn't connect pinkies
What's the fucking point?
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>>159562331
red string nipples
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>>159562331
>red string
That's vagina blood, you dummy.
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>>159526880
Rich Mullins < Michael W. Smith
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i don't care to bag on tao like /evn/ does, but the adult content thing just seems like he's trying to stoke some victim complex or an excuse for later should the game sell poorly.
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>>159565284
>for later
They literally said that steam users are fags.
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ravioli ravioli stargazers is not that goodioli
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>>159558514
2017 will be the year.
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>>159565284
Their publisher is MangaGamer and MangaGamer doesn't do patches. The Steam forum for it have been flooded with people wanting a patch or no buy.

That aside, I've heard many people dislike its character designs. And it doesn't help that the Yuri market has been flooded this year.
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>>159565284
/evn/ has an obsession with tao, if he even tweets something it'll be here in /evn/ within minutes.
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>>159574214
That most likely means that someone here has his posts in their feed.
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>>159568908
Looking forward to this
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i'm sad. can i have some encouragement?
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>>159579971
Your imouto still loves you.
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>>159579971
>Dat sadness penguin.
You can do it anon, whatever your goal is.
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>>159581160
What if his goal is murder?
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>>159584026
Anon, look at the pic. He wants to become a little girl.
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>>159584026
Polite kek.
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>>159565284
In Tao's defense, Manga Gamer legitimately doesn't do the patch thing. For what reason? No clue. However, if the idiot wasn't such a loudmouth and didn't have a persecution complex, he'd still probably be in a position where he'd be able to do a patch via his old publisher. Whatever the case, I don't give him very long before he publicly lashes out against MG and decides to publish Lupiesoft's stuff himself.
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>>159586048
>Sekai Project takes half your money for a couple RTs.
>Dovac goes on a rant on twitter about how no one understands Sekai Project then fires half his staff.
>Tao says nothing but he has the persecution complex.

Of course JP and Chris hate Tao, and as you know /evn/ sucks JP's dick like it secretes a life-giving elixir.
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>>159587438
>and as you know /evn/ sucks JP's dick like it secretes a life-giving elixir.

Literally what? Nobody gives a fuck about JP, he's just a dude with a blog.
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>>159586048
>For what reason? No clue.
to keep profits on their own website.
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>>159587438
>>Sekai Project takes half your money for a couple RTs.
be lucky you get that
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>>159586048
I feel like the people that go with Sekai do so because they're afraid of publishing themselves for whatever reason.

I honestly don't see the benefit to being with Sekai if you're not Winged Cloud, since they clearly have a special arrangement compared to all the other EVN devs under their belt.

The chunk of money they take from sales really isn't worth the retweets or 'brand', since most people only follow Sekai for their JVNs anyway.
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>>159587690
Until anyone on /evn/ says something bad about JP. How badly written his blog posts are, how he likes to make up shit in his reviews, and how he stirs shit up on /evn/ then brags about it on his twitter.

Too bad Anonl is a lazy fucking cunt or we'd have actual reviews.
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>>159588530
>I feel like the people that go with Sekai do so because they're afraid of publishing themselves for whatever reason.

it's hard to tell how many sales they really bring to the table. not having a concrete way to track it also works in their favor.
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>>159588530
>I honestly don't see the benefit to being with Sekai if you're not Winged Cloud

They're willing to give you an upfront, they just don't say it.
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>>159587438
>/evn/ sucks JP's dick like it secretes a life-giving elixir
what are you on bud
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>>159592780
seriously.

I don't think I've ever seen a single positive thing said about JP here any time he's brought up. And he's usually only brought up to be ridiculed. No one's ever taken any of his reviews or thing he's said seriously
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>>159593346
>>159592780
You must be new because months ago people were linking JP's blog posts here every time he made them. He was the one who initially started the shitposting about Brilliant Shadows.
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>>159593725
but were they linking them to have discussions about them, or were they linking them to mock them?

And was it 'people' or just one person?

It's the same way Tao's tweets are brought up, and other links are posted to things that people dislike. To have something to get angry about and keep /evn/ going since hate seems to be what fuels it these days.
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>>159593725
>people were linking JP's blog posts
and makng fun of him
>He was the one who initially started the shitposting about Brilliant Shadows.
uh, no. People were mostly blase about it before the release, then maybe a couple of posters on /u/ were pissed off at the tired trope of "boohoo I fell in love with my hetero friend", JP wrote his review much later and it wasn't talked about more than usual.
>You must be new
kekkels, I've been stuck in this purgatory since Cradle Song was in actual development
JP is always was our favorite beating boy, because with his hatred of tits and him being a religious lisping nerd honestly what better target is there?
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死なないで、嘆かわしい達のバスケ。
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>>159596251
I curse whoever had the bright idea to make a discord for a thread on permanent life support with celiac and crohn's both
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>>159587438
>Dovac goes on a rant on twitter about how no one understands Sekai Project then fires half his staff.
And as a result he's no long CEO.
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>And if there is no patch - well sorry but I will pirate this game.

Wow. The adult version is available legitimately elsewhere. MG currently and possibly itch.io soon, but don't give Steam users a patch on Steam and they won't buy your game at all.
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r8 my OC
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>>159604723
You need to do an edit for when the little girl project lead is also the writer, artist, etc.
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>>159604723
>dev team
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>>159604723
very accurate/10
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death
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>>159609902
to yuri.
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>>159613239
what did he ever do to you
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>>159613790
fag
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>>159588025
>to keep profits on their own website.
Have you heard of fraud?
I highly doubt MG can dealt with it.
Probably only 1 out of 10 purchases is clean.
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10
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>>159618034
The fraud problem was because they were offering steam keys which could be resold, and thus got hit by organised crime. (not in the mafia sense but in the people doing things systematically in large quantities to make money sense)

While there ARE fraudulent purchases otherwise, it's not nearly as bad as you think it is.
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>>159621085
>>159618034
Tao did state in the Steam discussion thread that people were buying games with stolen cards off Manga Gamer, getting the free key Steam key, and even though the charge was reversed, they'd sell that key on G2A which is why they stopped doing it.

It's more like we can't have nice things because G2A harbors organized crime.
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>no user reviews
jeez
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Staple Stable
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Straight out of /pol/.
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>>159624070
People who buy it on MG, which looks to be the majority, can't leave Steam reviews.

I could leave one, but I really don't want to leave a review that basically amounts to "if this appeals to you, then buy the adult version on another site".
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>>159629095
>I really don't want to leave a review that basically amounts to "if this appeals to you, then buy the adult version on another site"
why not? sounds helpful
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>>159630842
Not really. The existing issue is that Steam users don't want to buy the game on another site. They know the other version exists, but just don't want to leave Steam to get it. I'm guessing the reason the game still doesn't have any reviews is that it's people who bought the all ages version because it's cheaper and just plan to pirate the adult version.
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>>159631376
I can guarantee you that not every steam user knows the other version exists. Some are pretty dumb.
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Just checked Steamspy and Stargazers sales numbers are so low that it can't even get enough data to get an estimate on its numbers.

Guess here are the 3 options to keeps this from happening:
1) Just make ecchi games.
2) Do like Gahkthun and Kindred Spirits and don't show explicit sex.
3) Self publish or get a publisher that was told they could do patches and release one.
4) Have a friend of yours release a "fan" patch on the forum for the game.
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>>159632070
If they don't know the other version exists, they what's stopping them from buying the all ages version?
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>>159632151
>publisher
>Sekai is scam, MG is scam.
Honestly, it's not that hard to publish a game on steam.
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>>159632070
99% of the Steam forums activity for it are people complaining about no uncensor patch. It's scaring away sales.

>Muh censorship is against muh freedom.
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>>159632151
In the current situation 4 is the best bet.
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>>159632151
>Steamspy

Heh

Weird thing is no reviews, barely any discussion, but the screenshots all have lots of likes. It's a bit weird, people are following the page but not posting anything. It's almost like the Steam page is just advertising the Manga Gamer version at this point, which might explain why it's selling so much over there.
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>>159634818
That's most likely true, but it's also losing sales from the people that won't leave Steam.
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>>159635207
From like one guy who thinks not having a dirty patch is facism.
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>>159635316
It's alot more than one person. Different people have said they won't buy it if there's no patch.
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Let's see your top 5 EVNs for newbs, /evn/. Length, content, etc. not necessarily important.

Emphasis on *EVNs*.
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>>159632474
Yeah, but from the number of idiots who file refund requests from things that are extremely visible in the forums, not everyone looks there
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Juniper's Knot
Long Live the Queen
Rising Angels: Reborn
fault milestone
Cinders
Cupid
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>>159636419
what, the pastebin isn't good enough for you?

we tend to avoid getting more specific than that because it just leads to pissing on each other
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I'm surprised no on in this thread brought up Stargazers feature where you can play the game from another characters perspective. I don't remember seeing something like this often. Kindred Spirits did something a bit similar by letting you go back to certain scenes and seeing what another character was thinking, but in Stargazers case you see the entire game from 2 other perspectives. I like this, because you gain an equal understanding of the rest of the main characters.
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>>159637457
Fault's not an evn, it was released in Japanese first
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>>159638167
It was made by an English guy living in Japan.
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>>159638306
Then how come sekai project had to make a (sometimes awkward) translation from the Japanese?
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>>159635316
Do you, personally, like paying for gimped versions of products?
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>>159638809
They kickstarted it, so extra cash. And the guy didn't feel like writing it out a second time. He's posted before on forums and is fluent in English.
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People track order numbers for MangaGamer on /jp/.

10/28/16 - 235698
11/7/16 - 236753

Meaning that Stargazers has only sold ~1,000 or less copies on their site. And it only has a very small amount on Steam, where Steamspy can't even track it.
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>>159640005
Doing some hypothetical math.

~1,000 copies sold at the discount price of $14.35. Let's say MG's cut is 30% on their site. That would still leave Tao with $10.04 as his share of each sale, which would give him $10,040 minus what the game's budget was.
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>>159640005
>Meaning that Stargazers has only sold ~1,000 or less copies on their site.
Remmeber that pre-steam most MG titles were reaching 2000 lifetime sales at best.
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>>159641393
It could be as few as a few hundred considering Myth launched on the 28th and A Kiss for the Petals: The New Generation went on preorder. Plus, Negligee is still selling a number of copies. It could be closer to 500-700 and only making $5k-$7k.
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>>159641645
500-700 still isn't bad. That's about what the average cheap nukige sells on MG.
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>>159641645
Yeah, but lifetime vs it just came out? If it's sold a few hundred copies already, that's not a disaster in terms of MG-only expectations. The lack of Steam interest is much more painful.
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>>159642409
Steam provides better long term sales if the game does decently there. Steam sales always see a sales spike for titles.

The main issue is lack of patch, but no reviews could be hurting it to, since people want an idea of what they're getting into. But even with reviews, the noted bugs in this thread and it feeling like the start of a bigger story aren't doing it any favors either.
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>>159643584
It's not beautiful, but it looks better than 95% of evns.
We live in ugly times.
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>>159643584
>yuri

into the trash it goes
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/u/ is actually having a thoughtful discussion about what kind of yuri characters and relationships they like and dislike. Anyone making a yuri vn might benefit from checking that out.

>>>/u/2182944
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>>159646169
Time to make futa yuri with girls who love dicks
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>>159646442
Just make the futa feminine and you'll get the Kuroyuri audience.
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Fall, friendly bombs, on /evn/
It isn't fit for human ken,
There's barely even shitpostin'.
Swarm over, Death!
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I'm going to starting playing the adult version of Stargazers that I bought yesterday so that I can compare it to the all ages version.
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>>159646169
Anyone making a yuri vn might benefit from killing themselves
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>>159646169
Do you really need to advertise this? Aren't we all already there anyway?
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>>159652821
There are some crossboarders, but not everyone.
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>>159652821
no
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>>159650191
Come, bombs and blow to smithereens
Those yuri-ogling, bright-lit screens,
Tinned plots, tinned girls, tinned boys, tinned memes,
Tinned art, tinned depth.
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Turns out the adult version of Stargazers gives you an extra choice in Tem's route that lets you watch her sex tape with her ex-girlfriend.
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>>159634818
>just advertising the Manga Gamer version at this point, which might explain why it's selling so much over there.
i would be shocked if it had more than 1000 sales over there.
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>>159640005
Ha, i knew it. selling games off of steam is a supplement, not something you should bench on.
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>>159654319
Mess up the mess they call a thread:
A general less alive than dead,
And all its devs to Discord fled,
Yon “serpent spheres”.
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Looks like the Ren'py error is in the adult version too.
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>>159658063
cute.
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Wolf woman in Stargazers has a nipple ring.
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Honestly, not alot of major differences between the 2 versions. In the adult version you see the 2 of them fucking behind the crates at the start, can watch the sex tape, see the sex massage Vii did to Risty, and get slightly more lewd versions of 2 CG that were in the all-ages version.

Most of the bugs and errors are still there too, but the awkward sprite movement around the start of the game is gone now, since you have the porn CG of them behind the crates there instead.
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Still some sprite issues. When Risty agreed to date Vii their sprites weren't spaced right and during the casino briefing 3 sprites were overlapped.
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>>159659617
commercial project
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>>159657804
And get that man with double chin
Who'll always shill but won’t begin,
Who washes his repulsive skin
In backers’ tears:
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>>159659617
i guess MG quality check is pretty shit.
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>>159660547
That's assuming they even did any. They're only they publisher and it's possible they never beta tested it.
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What really annoys me about the game is that even characters that are named have a tag of ???. It gets really confusing at the end when you have multiple ??? talking at the same time. Just call her Bear Girl or whatever, Mysterious Figure, and Joanna since you know her name from the start. Cassie didn't even have a tag even though she introduced herself much earlier.
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>>159660397
And smash his desk of polished oak
And smash his hands so used to stroke
And stop his boring dirty joke
And make him yell.
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Meanwhile, on LSF:
>somebody copied my designs and when I reported to the mod, they said it's 'inspired'

What do you think /evn/?
left is copy, right is original
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>>159663664
That they both lifted a design from some kids toy packaging.
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>>159663664
the work in both those threads is kind of terrible.
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>>159662162
But spare the bald young NEETs who scorn
All life outside their 2D porn;
It's not their fault that they were born
To live in Hell.
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>>159663664
I noticed those. I thought it was one person using two different screen names.
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>>159665309
Are you thinking about doing a parody of Edgar Allen Poe?
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>>159663664
I wouldn't count it as stolen, no.
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>>159663664
I think some motifs are similar(Stars) The only resemblance is the palette but I wouldn't go as far as call it copy or either "inspired" since the palette and motifs are pretty common.
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>>159667357
>Make super unoriginal desig.n
>Claim art plagarism when someone makes something similar.
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>>159663664
I've seen that design a thousand times. Heck, it might be inspired by Backstage Pass.
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Post progress
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>>159676068
you first
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>>159676068
almost done. just need to add music
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>>159676283
I'm reviewing your vn to say how much it sucks.
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Stargazers review

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX9wFzIlIWg&feature=youtu.be&a
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>>159676812
Yay! I was worried that nobody had even played it.
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>>159680174
Hi Tao. I think you need to beta test your games more.
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I played both versions of Stargazers and I'm bored right now, so if you have any questions about it I'm up for answering them.
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>>159680740
is it shit or are we all jaded
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>>159681290
It's not amazing, but it allowing you to play the entire story from multiple perspectives is a unique feature. For example you can see into each others thoughts during an argument and understand why they did what they did instead of thinking they're a retard. Plus, sex scenes from both perspectives is something I've never seen before.
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>>159680158
That's interesting. I never had the crashing issue just the Ren'py error that I could just hit Ignore on in Risty's route. Steam did something weird for awhile when I was playing it, but that may have been on Steam's end, because it looked like Steam's UI changed during the crash.
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How do you all feel about a vn full of memes? I think it would get Lets Players to pick up the vn more.
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>>159680740
why did you buy both?
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>>159685289
I didn't. I bought one and my friend bought the other and we shared them.
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>>159685441
How polyamorous
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>>159680158
>guy impressed with multiple choice between a burger and protein shake

i feel better about adding false choices to my game
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>>159685441
lewd
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>>159685697
But your choices carry over into the other routes, so your decisions change dialogue. Like Risty asking Tem if she wanted to date either of them or both of them. It changes implications.
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>>159685697
How about the choice to watch the sex tape or not?
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>>159685697
Realistically many people don't play a game more than once, so there's a chance that an illusion of choice is good enough. The Telltale games are proof of this.
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Fuck choices!
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>>159687369
If the illusion of choice actually offers something interesting and unique, than it's better than meaningless choice just to have choice.
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>>159688505
I love those. Being given an option to suck on a characters toes is the best feeling in the world.
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>>159688505
kinetic novels are cancer tho
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>>159689192
They usually sell less, since people generally think that all visual novels should have choices.
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If you're narrating in the second person, would it be strange to have CGs be in the third person? Or should they be drawn in the first person?
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>>159685019
if you're this desperate for their attention, make a vn about them, they're all narcissists
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>>159665309
It's not their fault that they’ve forgot
That strange technique by name of “plot”;
It's not their fault they cast their lot
With /evn/

>>159665759
Just Slough.
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>>159691891
And talk of games and anime
To pass their aimless lives away,
And daren't to face the light of day
But bump instead.
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>>159693425
In basements of their moms, with sloth
They wash their dakimura’s cloth,
The object of their lustful froth,
And leery eyes.
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Has anyone created the 50 Shades of Grey of evn yet? You know, where you write a fanfiction, change the characters names, and pass it off as original writing.
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>>159696525
You mean take other people's fanfiction, change the names then pass it off as original.
Isn't that Marble Syrup
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>>159694997
Fall, friendly bombs, on /evn/,
This cesspit oughtn’t rise again.
As bad a thread as any’s been,
And so it dies.
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>>159690783
No strong opinions on this?
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>>159700121
even first-person VNs have third-person CGs
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>working really good yeah feel that flow
>suddenly find yourself browsing retarded meme youtube videos for half an hour
who /brainproblems/ here
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>>159663664
Looks gay.
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>>159700206
Yeah, but second person VNs you're reading about what "you" are doing, not what "I" am doing. It has a closer relationship to the player, so I'm wondering if having CGs that show off the main character may cause some unwanted dissonance.
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>>159700901
Literally everyone. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar. Or at least that's what I like to believe.
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Wait, are AA dev and Ryunocore actually dating? I thought AA Dev was gay
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>>159702942
They are gay until they taste the dick.
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at this point when I see a project advertise "we have 200k words u guise" I can't help but think they're padding an already watery shit plot with more shit
I JUST WANT A GOOD FUCKING (e)VN TO READ
why is there a bunch of decent eroges but not a single plot heavy game that's not ancient (I've read everything recommended and some more, don't point me to the fucking evn tag on vndb, thanks)
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>>159703031
B-but, what if I'm a boy?
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>>159702942
Yes, I'm in an illicit relationship with my composer.
I am only gay for 2d women. 3DPD pls no
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>>159702919
wew, it's nice to feel normal every now and again
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>>159703703
Considering how ugly you are, that's not surprising.
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>>159703703
If you were sjw, what would you name your orientation? 3D straight 2D gay?
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バムプル
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>>159706294
バンプ?
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>>159706373
上げる
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>https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=40950
jesus h. christ on a pogo stick, is the OP 10 years old
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>>159706848
>sakimichan will never be your scam artist.
Why live?
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>>159706476
このスレはよく死にますから、上げないでくれる?
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>>159707397
>tfw you can read and uderstand this
I am ready to shed the bonds of EOPness
>>
ayy
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>>159706848
haha this was the "i'm going to spend 20,000$ and make a visual novel!" person
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>>159706848
why does it seem like 40% of lemmasoft is from melbourne?
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>>159712632
>melbourne
more like indonesia/malaysia/vietnam
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>>159715134
>half the forum is in the phillipines.
>doesn't mention it

Spaniard detected.
>>
awaken my asian mexicans
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Waiting for an /evn/ ripoff of Shelter.
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>>159718187
>Shelter
This one?>http://store.steampowered.com/app/244710/
Looks ugly.
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>>159718187
i tried watching that and it's just a girl looking sad and really shitty music?
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>>159718187
interracial hobo evn?
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>>159718671
Poor interracial couples aren't aesthetic.
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>>159721214
Can I fuck her?
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>>159703225
Because the number of writers who focus on the plot are really small and those few writers are also slow.
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i realized a vn dev hangs out on another non-VN related forum i go to. small world
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>>159725007
name and shame
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shut up about the steam forums Tao
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>>159727203
>Still no user reviews
wew
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>>159727513
i would cry.
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>>159727203
>>159727513
>4 days after release
At least they've fixed clipping sprites and ren'py errors.
R-right?
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>>159727754
>clipping
>sprites

A-anon... I...
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>>159727203
Why are you even following him if you're just going to complain whenever this guy tweets something?
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>>159703031
Hi CLove
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>>159729203
Wanna get dicked?
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>>159728550
>whenever

i'm not one of his haters, I just think his complaints are stupid
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>>159690783
Could go either way, no one's likely to care as long as you're consistent
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>>159702840
Every second-person VN I've read lately had illustrations of the player character despite the use of 'you'. Even old-school CYOAs, which is where most people get the 'you' familiarity from, often drew pictures of the protagonist.

Now, if you're being "Diversity!" this was a problem, as it tended to codify the protagonist into being a young white male when this wasn't necessary, and there were some other gamebooks that managed to carefully avoid describing the protagonist for better self-inserting, but the point is people did it.
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>>159730079
To be fair to Tao, some of the comments in that thread were pretty stupid and were the same things brought up repeatedly. One guy even freaked out and basically went "Valve doesn't care if you post porn, let me post a creampie shot from Huniepop repeatedly to prove it!" Looks like the mods removed it now, wonder if he got any kind of warning for that.
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>>159731580
They are selling butchered version on steam, and refuses to provide patch, you can't defend this.
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>>159732029
Their publisher doesn't allow it. MangaGamer not doing patches is a known thing. Apparently their Steam contact told them not to.

If people want the 18+ version they can buy it elsewhere, either MG's site or eventually itch.io. The Steam version is for people that want the all ages version.
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>>159732184
>MangaGamer not doing patches
So, no fix for this >>159658063 and this >>159540504 ?
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>>159732468
No 18+ patch, moron.
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>>159732502
Tao, please. It's been 4 days, upload, at least, some actual patches.
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>>159732643
I thought people read his twitter here? He's waiting for the early buyers to finish reporting issues before they do the patch. Patch next day or so.
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>>159732757
>early buyers
>http://steamspy.com/app/445670
>Peak concurrent players yesterday: 2
>2
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>>159732867
Everyone bought it on MangaGamer because screw all ages.
>>
10
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>>159732940
nobody bought it on MG
>>
What Sakura game will Winged Cloud gift us this holiday season? Sakura Santa 2? Sakura Snowwomen? Sakura Candycane?
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>>159735858
It's their number 1 seller at the moment.

In case you were wondering Negligee is number 3.
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>>159735937
No clue. they have something like 7-10 games in production right now
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>>159736095
okay Tao
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Hey Tao, why is Sekai Project still the publisher for the Toko soundtrack?
>>
Hey Tao, are you single?
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>>159738029
He's elf sexual.
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>https://lemmasoft.renai.us/forums/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=41124
>$700/month
>50 CGs created until the end of March 2017, including minor variations for some of them
>Those examples
~$60 for 1 CG, for commercial project, and you should match style & quality of examples.
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>>159739325
But there were no BG drawing involved, right?
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>>159732029
Why not? People can buy it somewhere else, censored releases are only bad when there's no alternative.
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>>159740326
Yes, it's only for the character(s).
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>>159739325
where's all the money they raised going then?
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>>159742248
vodka and bgs obviously.
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>>159742248
The two other artists, music, programming, all that probably.
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>>159739325
They're not going to meet their deadline.
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>>159745401
No one does.
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>>159739325
Just emailed them.
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uh
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>>159751529
something you'd like to share with the class, anon?
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>>159753106
Yes, I need to go to bed, but this thread just keeps dying.
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>>159739325
wow fucking jews
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>>159761808
Absolutely disgusting padding
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>>159762275
When are you going to show us some proper padding?
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According to MangaGamer's Twitter they forgot to switch Stargazers from preorder to on sale until yesterday when someone pointed it out to them. That's 3 days it should've been out on itch.io but wasn't. Why do people get publishers again?
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>>159763876
i have no idea, it takes 3 minutes to set up an itch-io page. steam is a bit longer, but not overly difficult.


they also let bugs from QA slide by.
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>>159764225
I don't think MangaGamer tested it. They most likely left that up to the devs.
>>
What's weird about Stargazers was that there were no credits at all. You're taken directly to the title screen when you finish a route and there was no OP video. Unless the forgot to put the video in or it just didn't load.
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>>159764564
that's even worse, so they are even less useful as a publisher.
>>
>>159765164
That depends on if such services were offered and possibly turned down. At the very least the Ren'py error shouldn't have made it through.
>>
>>159765134
do they even have a CG/scene replay gallery
>>
Remember that no matter how many bad decisions you make, there's people out there with a KS that think that not including the game as a reward is a viable option.
>>
>>159773105
I still don't see how anyone thought this was remotely acceptable
>>
>>159776832

Yeah, imo if you can't offer the game as a reward, then crowdfunding isn't for you.
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>>159739325
>$60 for that
>that fucking deadline

They should remake the thread when they are sober.
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>>159778063
yeah i pay about $150 per CG for something less nice. maybe I should poach that artist
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>>159778308
>$150 for something less nice

Its obvious you didn't look hard enough.
>>
who /goodatwriting/ here
>>
post progress
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>>159770217
No. RPA Extractor or bust.
>>
>https://twitter.com/JkaplanAW/status/796185427254263808

So brave
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>>159778308
did you read the post before replying? They're looking for someone with comparable skill for ~55 buckaroonies a piece. I.e. they're terminally retarded. No wonder the original artist ran.
>>
>>159739325
>50 CG for a $10 game

wheww
>>
>>159787051
>tfw 60 CG for a $15 game
wewing myself
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>>159787243
>10/50=0.2
>15/60=0.25
You are a bit smarter.
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If Trump wins - I will make an evn about cute traps doing cute things.
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>>159761808
>SO-PE-YAA

Ugh. Disgusting.
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>>159789097
if someone blows up the white house with both of them inside, I'll finish my project
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>>159789953
You know the difference between us?
I'm looking for an excuse to make a game, you are looking for an excuse to NOT make a game.
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>>159790070
>implying I need an excuse to not make game
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>>159789097
>Check Twitter
>Everyone is TRIGGERED MAX
Just like my 3rd world, we are fucked every election to the point it's funny.
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>>159789097
Give me that juicy boipussy.
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good job, USA
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>>159794728
tfw can't even work because i'm dazed that this is reality
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>>159794778
I'm just eating an apple.
As loud as possible.
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>>159794728
first UK then USA, like father like son
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>>159795142
I blame meme magic
>>
>tfw USD is going to lose some value
>tfw it's gonna be cheap to commission art again
>>
>>159796925
>paying for scam.
>>
>>159796925
probably nothing like huehuedollars or ruble crashes, I wouldn't get my hopes up
>>
>people implying that Trump winning over Shillary is a bad thing
Are you fucking serious?
>>
>>159797395
Only faggots like >>159784615
think so.
>>
>>159784615
who is josh
>>
>>159797395
We were doomed from the start
>>
Sakura Elections
>>
>>159799636
Too late.
>>
Sakura WW3
>>
the planned sakura are

sakura agents
sakura adventure
sakura magical girl
sakura something but with a pixel artist
sakura dragon
sakura easter?
>>
>>159797507
Raithfyre
>>
>>159799751
More like Sakura Crusade.
>>
>>159800006
thanks reithfer
>>
>>159799939
when is Sakura Election
>>
10
>>
10
>>
Are there any more evn set to release before the end of the year?
>>
>>159601814
Pretty sure he's still CEO.
Also, since they lost a few of their employees after that outburst their communication has gotten worse and the writing in their newsletter emails has gotten terrible and feels uninspired. My brother who is in middle school could have written better newsletters.
Actually, I think I'll unsub. I don't really play their "games" anyhow.
>>
>>159808282
There was a new posting that showed that another guy is now CEO, at least on paper.
>>
uh
>>
Did anything noteworty (good or bad) come out of the yuri jam this year?
>>
I was thinking of starting my own vn review blog at the start of the new year. I'm trying to come up with a good first piece to post on it to gain some traction and views.
>>
>>159811402
I've heard positive comments about Liberdad and ebi-hime's thing. Not much else.
>>
There are some possible lessons about selling mature content evns from the Stargazers launch.

1) You don't need a publisher. The game hasn't gotten very much press and Tao or someone else on the dev team could've just sent out their own press release with similar results. Just mention that they covered a previous game of theirs (Toko) and that could help get a foot in the door. It's clear they didn't help with beta testing it either. And they didn't even remember to launch it on itch.io until 3 days after the launch.

2) If you don't want to break Steam's rules about adult content, then expect the game to sell abysmally there. Might as well consider those bonus sales and not the main target audience.

3) Put your game on as many adult sites at launch as possible, because people can have issues buying from one or more of them. MangaGamer, Nutaku, and itch.io if possible are a good idea of where to start. Having any kind of exclusivity period is a bad idea unless you're paid very well for it, because by the time the exclusivity period is over a torrent will most likely be out reducing you potential for any future sales.

4) Properly beta test the game before launch and apply fixes. Not doing so can result in refunds and people refusing to buy the game until it's patched. And if a torrent comes out before a patch, then most people will likely just play your buggy game for free.
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>>159813068
Too bad Tao isn't as smart as you are.
>>
>>159813068
You forgot 5 and 6.

5 - You can get around point 2 by having not as graphic sex scenes like Gahkthun and Kindred Spirits. Considering the types of ero Tao draws I'm not sure how applicable this point is in his case. What would be the point of futa if you don't see dicks?

6 - If your vn introduces plots and character arcs that it doesn't resolve I really wouldn't call it a selfcontained story. People will end up feeling mislead.
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>>159812225
This libertad thing is written by someone who understands English, but doesn't understand dialog or emotional motivations other than very shallowly.
>>
>>159814220
These characters are sufficiently annoying that I'm dropping it.
>>
>>159814514
What's wrong with them?
>>
Make an evn about the Trump presidency. Lets make evn great again.
>>
>>159815171
Make me make it.
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>>159815456
You're the MC assassin from Japan charged with killing Trump. You were hired by SJWs to assassinate him. I'm sure most people could do something with a plot like this. You have the option of going rogue and work for Trump instead when he decides to build to build the Great Wall of America to keep the Mexicans out.
>>
>>159814675
It's probably just a pile of tropes rubbing me the wrong way.

So, we start out with an Innocent Slave Girl being roughed up by some evil men who are about to rape her to death, until a Cold Warrior Woman suddenly kills them all. Apparently the slave murdered a guard as part of her escape attempt and was desperate to get to some other city where she could be free, but despite that, loses all motivation and tells the warrior woman to just kill her because life is suffering. Warrior woman almost does so, then randomly changes her mind and decides to escort her to the other city. Along the way, slavegirl excitedly babbles about how cool it is that warrior woman is all strong and stuff and wants to be strong too. Warrior woman tells her there's no shortcuts to being strong. Slightly later, she gives slavegirl a spare sword, and slavegirl is all "What no I am delicate flower, I can't use a pointy thing!" (despite the fact that she supposedly murdered someone before the game started?) And a trained warrior woman is simply "Eh, swing it, it's not that hard, you'll figure it out". Then they stop for baths, because All Women Love Baths (explicitly stated). Then suddenly the warrior woman starts asking the slave girl that she pulled out from under a pile of dead rapists if she's looking forward to finding a husband when she gets to the new city. Yeah, okay. And then slavegirl starts reminiscing about how when she was young, of course she got tons of presents from men because she was so beautiful.

That's about where I gave up. They just don't feel like believable people to me.
>>
>>159815642
>assassinate
>build the Great Wall
>option of going rogue
So, Assassin's Creed + Minecraft + Deep MassEffect3 choices.
I like it.
Too bad it's not evn.
>>
>>159815926
It can be if you tell the story right. It doesn't have to actual gameplay. There are plenty of vns about war that don't have any actual combat gameplay at all.
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>>159732468
Mangagamer does bug fix patches, but since they are hosting the game as a 3rd party it is probably on Lupiesoft's end to find time to create a new build that's not bugged.

Their earlier title The Menagerie got a scripting patch on Mangagamer where routing and choice options were cleaned up and text was added for better consistency between scenes.
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>>159816769
The Menagerie got a patch? Were the rough scene transitions and Monkey's route cleaned up? That vn was buggy as fuck when it came out. Even the OP video on it was terrible quality video.
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>>159813068
>And they didn't even remember to launch it on itch.io until 3 days after the launch.
between that and the patch it really seems like MG is shady and gets more of a share via their own website.
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>>159818130
They forget crap all time, like forgetting to hit launch buttons and what not. Seems to be disorganization more than anything. They even forgot to launch a chapter of Higurashi recently.
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>>159819331
>these people are a publisher
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>>159819671
Yeah. And you're a game developer. Everyone's a fuckup.
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>>159821530
hi MG. that makes no sense.
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>>159821791
Nah, I'm not MG.

Their operation is run by a very small number of people (afaik) and they aren't super-organised. They make mistakes. Sadly, this is true of an awful lot of businesses. Most humans are idiots (as if today didn't already prove that).

It's the horrible realisation of adulthood, that so many essential services are being controlled by dribbling baboons who, if given one job, might do it or might just throw shit instead.
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>>159819671
As if that means anything. I could take 30% of all your sales and call myself a publisher too.
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>>159822464
>They make mistakes.
i can't tell if you're defending them or going off on a tangent, but they take money from these games. it's not a free service.
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>>159823267
Yeah, and US doctors charge tens of thousands of dollars to perform simple operations and then fuck them up.

I'm not defending anybody. I'm being pissed off at the state of the world.
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>>159823596
>performing medical operations on people with thousands of variables within their own body that you often won't know about until you're in there

>remembering to push a button for the people who give you a cut of their profits
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>>159823970
>cutting off the wrong leg
"Whoops!"
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>>159824381
I am sorry your dick is gone anon
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>>159825219
Luckily, Bad Dragon is there for all of us.
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>>159827763
BODY

POSITIVE
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>>159828158
Let people have their toys, you don't have to play toddlercon if you don't want to either
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>>159830213
TODDLE

POSITIVE
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>>159832491
what is this BG and where are more like it
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>>159832583
I has Japanese words written on it, so I'm guessing dlsite or Marble Syrup antics.
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post progress
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>>159836260
All of the sprites are almost done, I have all of the backgrounds, and now I need to find someone to do the GUI.
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>>159840346
With any luck you could get Badriel. The problem is that he's usually booked for months.
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>>159840471
he's been MIA
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>>159841396
Maybe he's overworked.
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>>159815673
>Slightly later, she gives slavegirl a spare sword, and slavegirl is all "What no I am delicate flower, I can't use a pointy thing!" (despite the fact that she supposedly murdered someone before the game started?)

Slave says that she doesn't know the 'art' of swordsmanship. I do agree that I should have expanded more on what happened during her initial escape and how she supposedly murdered the guard.

>Then they stop for baths, because All Women Love Baths (explicitly stated).

It's the only location I thought was possible in the scenario that allowed them to take a break and talk about things.

>Yeah, okay. And then slavegirl starts reminiscing about how when she was young, of course she got tons of presents from men because she was so beautiful.

It wasn't like she was boasting it. The point was her beauty was both a gift and a curse.


A shame you didn't finish it, but thanks for giving it a chance, anon!

>>159814220
>This libertad thing is written by someone who understands English, but doesn't understand dialog or emotional motivations other than very shallowly.

Care to elaborate on this?
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>>159840471
I think you misunderstand me as someone who has money.
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>>159841756
Are you available for BG commissions?
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If I'm just doing a practice project to get the hang of Ren'py is it OK for me to rip assets to test features out?
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>>159830213
Toddlercon EVN when?
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>>159845251
unless you commercially release something with someone else's assets it is probably okay to do whatever with them
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there's literally nothing wrong with the discord
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>>159852007
swimming through 300 posts of chatroom bullshit that's spewed daily?
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10
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>no matter what I do it looks like shit
time to procrastinate I guess
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>>159855679
sorry
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>>159858517
thanks, 3 hours of touhou remixes later, I managed to make it look slightly less shit
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dead
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>snowflakes shitting on Japanese eroge VNs
>mfw checking this thread as to what the Western scene has to offer
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>>159862709
We don't shit on JVNs in this general, only EVNs.
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>>159862709
porn wise? yeah evn have a ways to go. there are basically no ways to make money on porn vn beyond patreon in the west, though. in japan it's a viable market.
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>>159862709
This is THE place to shat on evn scene.
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>>159864409
We only export Tao shitposting.
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>>159865706
This general is just 80% Tao talking to himself anyway.
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>>159868402
Get back to work Tao.
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>>159862797
>there are basically no ways to make money on porn vn beyond patreon in the west
If you keep a tight budget, maybe give out a Steam patch and put the vn on MangaGamer, Nutaku, and itch.io it could be successful. You could run a patreon in addition to that though, which guarantees maxium profits.
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>>159870847
Or you could just sell it on the Humble Store.
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>>159872993
That's on par with Steam's sale culture.
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>Everyone thinks their Steam Surgeons because they can read a graph on Steamspy.
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>>159873714
Tell us about your steam sales then, Tao.
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>>159873856
They're in the fucking trillions, Tao.
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>>159873856
throwback thursday
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>>159873714
I know it can be off and be high or low.

>>159873856
I agree.

My guess would be between MangaGamer, itch.io and Steam that it's made around $10k+. Considering the budget was most likely $4k-$5k ($4k was the budget for Menagerie IIRC), then Tao's already made a profit with the game.
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I want money.
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Looks like development for Dizzy Hearts has begun.

>Most of the Dizzy Hearts story has been plotted out, lots if scenes already written. but we'll be redoing the outline now for redrafting and to bring in things we've learned from previous projects. Art wise, a few BGs namely the interiors need to be updated. We have some ideas we are testing as well, such as Live2d sprites and animated backgrounds.

>Biggest thing we need to do is the writing of course as it will be our biggest game yet.
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don't die on me /evn/. i'll always love you.
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>>159880715
show me your penor than.
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>>159881230
You must be one of Winged Cloud's writers. I can tell those dialog lines anywhere.
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>>159878043
if they can't even get the fundamentals right in their other VN projects I can't imagine what disasters will arise from them trying to use live2d and other advanced things
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>>159882342
The live2d was mentioned as being experimental. They might drop it if it proves too expensive/difficult.
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>>159882415
>They might drop it if it proves too expensive
Consider it dropped, then.
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>>159884802
How much does it cost to use for commercial games?
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>>159886304
How much does it cost to hire live2d animator for commercial project?
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I have reached the point where I actually have to read what I've written so far since last year and start editing the whole text. Somehow I don't want to.
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>>159886304
It's not that, it's >>159886557
and Tao being fucking broke all the time.
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>>159526806
holy SHIT does Homeward ever get interesting? I'm an hour into it and bored as all fuck. The first two waifus are complete shit so far, and the story is lackluster. I went through a whole "cooking" scene that went WAY too fucking long with no payoff. I feel like I'm playing a 12 year old's first vn filled with what he thinks girls actually act like.

I'm generally just playing because there's gotta be a sex scene somewhere in here, based on the 18+ warning at the beginning.

I want to die
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>>159887842
There are h-scenes eventually and it gets slightly more dramatic later in the story but if you're bored as fuck you're probably going to be disappointed.
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>>159888737
i feel unsafe around all these boys giving me such a cold stare
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>>159890403
Is this the one that started a $300 kickstarter or so just to pay for the soundtrack for the game?
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>>159890575
Isn't that what kickstarter was originally for, helping you top things up a little?
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>>159894508
making a kickstarter for $275 is honestly pathetic
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>>159895074
Not everyone has $275 sitting around. So why not?
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>>159898094
I'm pretty sure most jobs will pay you that monthly, anon.
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>>159898783
A lot of VN makers are kids without jobs, or their income is already allocated to the other needs in their life. I am confused how this is a new thought to you.
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>>159900578
Because it's freaking $275 and you need to be 18+ to use crowfunding platforms anyway.
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>>159901306
>Because it's freaking $275
Do you seriously not know ANYONE in your life who can't spend $300 on a whim?
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>>159902063

Not anyone who would rather go through the trouble of KS than work for a month or two, no.
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