/rlg/ - Roguelike General

>>159519329
Double random of first altar go go go!

>>159520157
I'd like to watch

>>159520449
Well I'm planting canola so it's up to you.

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guy making gaem here, im still at it

what do you think of my ideaguy ideas

i kinda want something a little different for magic
a different skilltree will fill the BLAST THINGS WITH FIREBALLS role

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I will be so happy when I stop getting 4 more NPC's every 3 fucking days

Does blessing armor/weapons in Elona do anything?

>>159521463
It's like 2 ev/pv each and gives it one extra stage between getting cursed. You shouldn't be pissing away holy water on it though. You need it for other stuff too much

>>159521508
Ye I know, that's why I'm asking
The max enchant is +10, right?

>>159521563
Yeah. don't forget to cast/quaff holy shield for pv and feather for dv.

>>159521463
Very minor upgrade; do it if you don't have much else to waste holy water on.

(Remember that blessing stacks of items will bless the ENTIRE stack of items. So like, that stack of feather scrolls? Way better to use your holy water on than a single weapon/armor.)

How do i launch Stone Soup tiles on android? Only ascii version work on my device.

>>159521613
Yeah I do that.
I noticed an airplane or whatever that keeps shooting bombs and it keeps wrecking me and my pet (he has 2k HP now)
I tried dominating it cause it felt like a nice addition to team so I bought the domination rod for medals, used up all the charges and it of course failed to dominate (I did bring its HP down) and then found out I can't recharge it.
MEDALS WASTED
>>159521709
Oh yeah, I know about blessing stacks. Thanks tho

>>159521779
That's cause it's sound damage. Cast attribution or quaff resistance, swap on aurora rings or leather uh decorated(?) rings and just get some of magic gear for magic resist. Medals get more common later you'll get over it. don't forget to rod or kokuo a silver cat for the monster heart from mia in palmia for a boost to domination rolls.

>>159521925
I also just got the younger cat sister, I'm assuming I should maybe make her a shooter type? I already gened her Marksman.

>>159521998
If they have a shooter ai, they're a shooter, melee melees, spells casts. You can't diddle their monster ai until act II or use elosnack to edit it.

>>159522114
?
what do you mean, with Elona Custom I can

>>159520157
>TeVM^Yred
Well won't this be fun

>>159522154
Then it can be whatever you want it to be.

>>159522285
It actually is. You have good long blade and evasion apts as well as good conjuration apt.

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>splat to Snorg in Lair twice in a row

>>159521719
wish I knew, doesn't work for me either

>>159520157
>SpVM
This is pretty viable, assuming first altar isn't TSO.

+9 vamp broad axe or +11 chopping broad axe with +3 int dex and +4 str

my gut says since I'm playing easy mode mibe it doesn't matter.

>>159520770
Dude I don't think anyone will read that. I can barely read my own handwriting. I won't dive deep into those.

>>159523932
vamp

>>159523932
chopping

>>159523241
>>159523241
Evoke feet or take him seriously.

>>159523932
Doesn't matter. Use vamp. Use chopping if you picked up evo, slings, or a hand crossbow.

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>I don't know how it's used.
pls dont bully

>>159524756
I'm not sure if you're asking or not. You zap it and it places a portal roughly at the target destination. It places another portal somewhere nearby. When you enter a portal it deletes that portal and you exit from a random golubria portal. You can cast it a bunch of times if you want to just zip all over. Keep in mind enemies can run in too though in practice it's not all that effective as a keepaway tactic beyond getting a gap for a stair.

Would it be possible to win at crawl if enemies could track you up stairs?

>>159527624
Possible? yes

but just fuck my shit up

>NPC starts to shoot at me
>when he runs out of ammo he switches to melee
>after killing him I go check if he has anything useful
>he had more ammo
Why didn't he reload?

>Crawl is boring me to tears
>Can't move on to another RL until I get at least one win

>>159527818
What are you playing as

>>159527858
MiBeI thought tab+autoexplore until Lair was just a meme at first

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fastest abyss rune I've ever gotten

took longer to find the exit than to get the rune

>>159527818
You can't post here unless you have a certified crawl ascension license.

What should be my 3rd rune as a VSFi with a hexer ancestor?

I can regen 3 health per turn, should I attempt abyss?

Or will V:5 be easier? I can F+++ and Immolate or wait for my ancestor to mass confuse everything?

>>159527928
you can tab+autoexplore your way to zot if you have the right gear

Just be more careful when tabbing and stop doing it if it seems the fight it's gonna be hard

And summon allies

>>159527729
I think their AI probably has some degree of only reload if it's cartridges or has loaded mags because it's like 40 turns to refill them.


>>159528028
You should be fine. Use your invocations to keep your ancestor alive and boost its spellpower while you cleave.

>>159527729
If it has a gun, don't talk to it and grenade it. You don't get shot and you get all the ammo

>>159520074
>ess

>>159528224
>cleave
I'm using Short blades :^)

>>159528716
Ffffuuuuuuuck. Couldn't you have long blades and just gotten a couple sblades to go with the sross-train xp so you could fight?

Are shady zombies super fast or are they just invisible at night until they're close to you

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>>159528893
Idk senpai, seemed fine to me

>>159529697
No idea, sounds like that would be the only thing they have since they attack like regular zombies

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It feels like the game is trying to give me a message

What happened to stone soups dungeon crawl?
I hadn't played in ages and now that I come back to it it's not the same anymore.
>rotten meat removed
>quaffing fountains removed
>several backgrounds, including the very interesting healer, removed
>vampire turned into a lame shit I don't want to play anymore
>thief gone
>p to pray / contemplate life removed
>etc.

Why? These don't seem like improvements, they just remove some flavour from the game.

>>159530524
GAS THE BLOAT.
CONTENT WAR.

>>159530554
>kill a dragon
>it drops a dragon armor instead of hide
>while the corpse is still intact
>dragons wear dragon armor
flavor is dead and buried.

>>159530554
flavor doubleplusungood crimethink

Trying for Ascetic 2, now I'm stuck with cursed jewelry and a full inventory of unid'd pots and scrolls. Didn't really consider the implications. Plus side, I found a wand of hasting on like D:5 so might be able to get 3 if I play smart.

/rlg/ pls
i encountered an enemy that i should've been able to easily kill but i got really bad rolls and got low
then i decided to go all in and continue attacking and missed 4 times in a row and died
;_;

>get good enough gear to do extended
>tfw you picked hexer ancestor

Oh well

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>>159529697
They're hard to see in the darkness and they're actually aggressive then. Use your flashlight, chuck one, move a table out and ignite it, or light bushes/zombie clothing on fire frequently if you don't want to put up with it. If you want a compromise, electric lanterns use 4 times less power even though you only get like 6-8 tiles of light it's still enough to sprint bow meme with.

You reaaaaaaly should avoid doing things at night though. It's too easy to bungle into a brute, hulk, smokers, spitters, acidic, bloats and rapidly lose control. Not to mention the glowing bloats basically lighting you up to get fisted.

>>159530554

>>159531887
And once you get or craft a soldering iron, you can read decent mechanics skill. Remove car batteries and repair them then disassemble them for acid to make a net ~200 battery per car battery. Lantern's pretty comf/10 until you get an atomic lamp

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I did it for you /rlg/

>>159531887
Well they haven't managed to hurt me much, I can deal with groups of four easily, it's just that they always seem to teleport right next to me at night.

I'm trying to explore at night because I've heard it's less dangerous, but if what you say it's true then I don't know what options do I have, when I try to explore at day the cities are full of zombie hordes, and if you what you say it's true then exploring and night is really dangerous too.

I could go check the lab, but I've heard they're dangerous and I'm pretty sure I'm not prepared to go there.

I guess I could just stay in my mansion and read books.

>>159531484
So? Mass confuse and antimagic quickblade are nothing to sneeze at.

>>159457578
A whole lot. Grinding for platinum coins takes forever. But only 60 more and I'll have almost all the skills; the last one I want (memorization) will probably require another wish.

>>159529697
They are invisible to night vision, so you can only see them when they are right next to you unless you are using a light source.

Also they have have low day vision and high night vision so they sort of bumble around in the day and charge in at night.

Does amulet of faith do anything with uskayaw?

found a +14 plutonium sword (*contam stlth-) on DCSS (playing Hill Orc fighter, floor 11, using axes right now)

is it good? or looks noobtrap? sorry but I'm pretty new

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Found this at Orc:4
I have a manual of long swords.
Is it worth swapping to longswords from maces as a Demonspawn Berserker?

Can someone PLEASE post the picture of the MuMo saying "Get dat fuckin orb"?

I NEED it for reasons I cannot quite explain.

>>159533953
It was posted in the earlier thread you piece of shit

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>>159533908
Basically me

>>159533784
piety builds faster in combat and it's hella awesome

>>159533997
This is truly a glorious day in /rlg/, thank you for the heads up anon.

>>159534229
hecka*

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>>159534731
sorry

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POST LINKS!

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>>159533953
if u didn't find it yet

>>159534089
There is not a single rPois in the whole dungeon and I need to do swamp or Snake
WHAT DO I DO, im starting to panic

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>>159535151
I did thanks to >>159533997

I cannot explain why I needed this picture so badly but thanks anon(s), you've made a good ally today

>>159535443
Do you have rElec

>>159535978
I wish, it hasnt spawned either
I'm at swamp 3 now with the hopes of finding a swamp dragon

>>159532550
You can just kill during the day. Take morale books to replenish focus after a fight and bum around the edges of town for mad combat skill. Sew even better armor and you can even meme on brutes


,

>>159536441
Well

Now that I have a broadsword and some fighting skill, it might not be a bad idea

Or maybe it is, but it's more exciting than just reading books

>>159536178
Well fuck Nicola Donald 3 hydras 3 swamp dragons ganged up on me

>>159532369
Can I change the sprite the ancestor uses?

>>159532369
Congrats my good man. You're a credit to the team.

>>159536948
Well everything went well until a zombie hulk showed up

Luckily I had a big horn model 89 so I managed to kill it and escape

I think I'm just gonna keep reading books, and maybe explore the forest

>When a shapeshifter turns into a swamp dragon and breathes, and then turns into a moth of wrath and immediately dies to the breath
10/10

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>>159539671

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>xom fucks with your game even when you've never worshipped xer

>>159540191
I think that's a vault

should I try more entries in the crawl tourney today? Yesterday's crawling was some of the most bored I've ever been typing on a keyboard, but maybe it gets better?

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>>159540346
Of course it was.

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I've taken to ramming the keys four or five times in succession and spamming esc when I think I'm done.

I splatted my loremaster. Fighting in the depths when 4 shockwasps and a stone giant and a balrug came from behind. It was one of those stupid vaults that encompasses the whole floor, so no digged. Ah hell.

>>159542273
f

>>159542273
Let this be a lesson to the rest of us not to play without drinking coffee, and to wait until the lag abates.

>>159520664
>canola
rapeseed
canola is a bullshit marketing term created because canadian farmers were cucks who couldn't successfully sell "rape oil"

>>159530642
dragon armor was renamed into "dragon scales" though

>>159531392
yeah combat in crawl can be really swingy

sometimes a halberd gnoll will hit you for 20 hp 2 times in a row and kill your pathetic D:2 ass

sometimes a (120 max damage) titanic slime creature will miss 3 times in a row

you have to always be ready to EVOKE FEET

>>159532598
is The Amy really playing original Elona instead of Elona+?

Does anyone know how to make ToME look decent? I've seen screenshots where it looks like a simple text-based interface with a pretty minimalist or even retro looking HUD, but even if I disable all the graphics shit it just looks like ToME with ASCII tiles

>>159546785
No

>>159541230
52ms doesn't sound that bad anon

>>159547072
It's not the 50ms that causes it to feel bad.

It's the spikes of 200 or more when I'm actually doing something. It's timed out more than a couple times hanging.

I can do 10 or 15 actions in a row and just watch as the game catches up for the next 20 seconds.

>>159546872
well okay

i know in original elona the skill costs increased indefinitely and you eventually would be paying 60p for a single skill

Does Fear work on slime creatures?

>>159547684
they have extremely bad MR, so pretty much any hex will reliably affect them

>>159548292
I was thinking they're mindless so they wouldn't be feared. I know they have low MR.

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>>159546835
Okay, I needed to set the font to Basic, its size to small, the HUD to Classic, the tile size to 16x16 and disable all effects, though it still looks bad on my screen since it's too wide so I have to play windowed. I'll probably change the window size a bit too

Now you, too, can play ToME without your eyes bleeding. Would it be fine to include this on the pasta next thread?

>>159548483
except you still have to mouse over every single elite/unique you see to find out whether they're a useless chump or a terrifying oneshotkill monster

>>159548663
At least it doesn't look like shit

>>159548663
>>159548663
>Screams in from offscreen and kills you before you can even do that
Tome's got you covered fampai

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I knew that mushrooms were strong, but I didn't realize they were fucking broken~

>>159549037
ToME's fov is larger than the actual screen, you have to move it around. Even so offscreen deaths are vanishingly rare and are mostly a /rlg/ meme based on ToME's shitty interface

>>159549317
Unless you play beyond Nightmare I mean, but why would you do that?

>>159549203
>he never played fedhas

Anyway,any MuMo wins so far?

>>159549203
Oklobs also escale with invo and turn into acid machine guns at high levels

>up against 8 headed hydra
>now it wants to take 10 seconds per action

So if I wanted to play MuMo but not the conduct one, what do I even do? who do I worship, what weaponry/spells?

>>159549993
just play unarmed mufi instead of you just want to be a mumy punchman

>>159549993
Gozag, probably maces if you don't want UC

>>159549993
Gozag. Level more fighting than you normally would and abuse the shit out of your mummy tier cardio.

Which teams does rlg have this year?

why does dying in poschengband give "What a noble sacrifice!" ?
does just dying raise sacrifice?
how do i change my other virtues?

>>159549203
>Zap/shoot something
>Drops a corpse
>Reproduction a spore
>It confuses dudes and spawns balistomytes
>Evolve them into PBAoE death towers while I pewpewpew

>>159550994
These pieces of trash: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.19/clans/nikheizen.html
>29th
Kek.

>>159551021
You can also destroy good items (potions of speed or other highly valued consumables) to get that message.

>>159551248
said a BadPlayer™

>>159551248
>f-fuck the t-tavern shitters

>>159551248
>those pitiful turn counts
>slain by a jackal
>slain by a gnoll
>slain by a gnoll
>slain by an orc wizard
>slain by a sky beast

>>159551778
the rlgposters who are actually smarter than tavernshitters are smart enough to play a different game

>>159551248
>/rlg/ team
>ZERO MuMos
s m h, get these heretics out of here

>>159552359
Name ten (12) roguelikes that are better than DCSS

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>>159551248

This is the best rlg team?

I just won a game and wanted to join a team here so I could give you a rlg team by points...

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>>159540191
>xom fucks with your game even when you've never worshipped xer

>>159551964
stop bullying pls

>>159552547
This is the only "/rlg/" team, because most of the good players who post here join other teams or don't play crawl any more.

>>159552854

What happened to all the good players/the circlejerkers?

>>159552506
1 CENTAUR CAVALRY
2 cockatrice transvestite
3 snail tourist
4 edain
5 vampire convict
6 mutant esper watervine farmer
7 doomguy
8 maidensnow inquisitor
9 shalore archmage
ten (12) zombie puncher in cataclymsdda, except that isn't actually a rogue like

>>159551248
Pls no bully. We have really good team compared to last time, but its in the middle of the school semester so I doubt we'll get as much action as last time.

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Learned you could do this today

>>159553114
11/10

>>159553114
What makes you do Gr with exploding ancestors?

>no arab species

>>159552506 Even plain old Rogue is better.

>>159553019
>but its in the middle of the school semester
>school

is that what most crawlers do? how does yermak have so much free time?

how do i beat oof

>>159552993
I recognize those roguelikes!

>>159553019
Actually we're doing about the same as last time (so far).

http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.18/clans/nikheizen.html

I definitely won't be able to play as much since I have 3 tests in the next 2 weeks.

>>159553530
two ranks of rFire, one rank of rMut. Proceed to ignore oof.

>>159552921
The circlejerkers aren't the same group as the good players

The good players either join other teams because or no longer come here, therefore for the last few years the general's score has been pretty bad

The circlejerkers still think /rlg/ is some kind of hallowed ground where anyone with less than 100 wins who tries to enter immediately bursts into flames and is carried away by a tribe of wolfgirls

>>159553606
ok what if i'm octopode

>>159553530
>>159553530
rF++, use haste or might/brilliance which you have a ton of cause you're not an asshat that bit off more than he could chew all game forcing you to blow them on stupid shit

>>159552993
>mutant esper watervine farmer
I don't know

>>159553706
How does that change anything? rF++, rMut. That's all you need.

>>159553409
gr is the best race

>>159552993
one (1), two (2), three (3), four (4), five (5), six (6), seven (7), eight (10), nine (11), ten (12)

it's octal

>>159553769
i have no ac or hp though
i can die to a polar bear with rC++

>>159553114
I mean it's nice and everything but why don't you just inner flame a small mammal instead
And why a gargoyle

>>159553409
Crawl orcs can easily be interpreted as a caricature of judaism/islam

>>159553762
caves of qud is good + fun

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>>159553114
saved

>>159520770
fucking cringe

>>159553114
I can't believe this will be removed because it's a scummy no brainer exploit insert other buzzword here. (fun)

>>159548663
can't you just press 'v'

Speaking of which.
?Torment is going to be removed.
You have been warned.

>>159548483
>disable all effects

Then it's not good enough. ASCII mode needs a way to show effects.

>>159554787
Then you can enable them

>>159555253
Then it looks like shit.

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I finally survived long enough to get my first unique item.

Dropped by Robin Hood, I am starting to like this guy.

>>159553516
I feel like a lot of the goodplayers or people who do silly runs are in college, and this tourney fell at a very inopportune time.

>>159553563
I feel that our team won't be carried by 2 people is all, especially when we won't be able to carry.

>>159553949
>>159553780
Jokes aside, I was wondering if ancestors are linked to your species stats in some way. If a species has bonus hp, or bonus AC, if they reflect those traits.

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>Enter The Sting-quest with Tonberry Dagger Weaponmaster
>Enlighten & Detect

>Lord Borel of Hendrake
>Queen Ant
>Icky Queen
>Sheer Heart Attacku

Christ, bad times were had, but at least I didn't die.

Time to check out the loot.

>>159556250
no that would be too much flavor for crawl

>>159556558
quests are probably the one time mr Heart Attack is actually dangerous, huh?

normally when i see him he just blows up a quarter of my hp and then i R&[enter] and continue exploring the dungeon

also put your fucking variant on github so i can steal your statdisplay code and put it in pseudo

>>159556771
But I am not done with it yet!

...Might be because I started playing this Tonberry Weaponmaster.

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Do i take the +1 Vampric Scythe or the +4 Dagger of Draining + a Buckler

>>159557123
stabby stabby O and tabby

>>159557123
scythe is the worst weapon type in the game

did you read its description and see
>skill to reach minimum delay: 26

>>159557123
>Ever using a Scythe

This nigger

>>159557304
holy shit no i didn't, game rarely gives you scythes

>>159556217
Yeah, I think we'll do better than last time even though I won't be able to clock 7 wins like before.

Playing some t for ~hour.
http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/#watch-nikheizen

+1 Great Sword or Demon Blade?

>>159557123
Only scythe i would ever use is the reapers one

>>159557954
this question is really just
>shields or no shields?

>>159558117
No it's not. I have a pile of enchant weapon and I need to decide where I'm going to dump them.

>>159548483
What about stuff like Sun Paladin chants?

>>159558213
do you want to use shields or not

great sword is a 2handed weapon, and cannot be used with a shield
demon blade is a 1handed weapon, and CAN be used with a shield

>>159558838
No shit, faggot. Ignore the shields and stop giving non-answers.

>>159558213
>>159558117
Its essentially that though. Demon blade is good enough to use for the rest of the game, and great sword is a standby weapon until you get a 3sword. So its a question of "24 for 3sword or 16 and 4/15 for shields"

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it turns out that you can't cast a passage of golubria on water ;_;

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>>159558910
you're such a fucking noob, anonymous

>>159558941
I'm using the weapon mostly for ripostes as I cast other stuff. Which makes me thinking using the GS does more damage and doesn't care about mindelay.

The demon Blade has better chance to hit.

>>159559134
No, you're just spitting out 101 shit that doesn't answer or further discussion. Might as well have said 'it depends'. Fucking neck yourself.

>>159556558
how fun is the tonberry daggermaster, btw?

does tonberry slaying work with the dagger throw?

>>159559312
if you are not using the sword for your main source of damage then the answer is YES, you should be wearing a shield (or really a buckler)

and if you are wearing a buckler, you will use the demon blade and not the greatsword

come on anon this is simple shit

>>159559312
>caster
>not using a shield
this is the roguelike general, you need at the minimum 120 iq to post here

>>159559765
>having more than 3 (three) int
papa trog laffs at u

>>159559765
you can't riposte if you block.

>>159559946
You can't riposte if the hit kills you either.

>>159559946
you evade before you block

>>159560030
>not being powered by pain
What kind of faggot non-demonspawn are you?

>>159559946
you also don't take damage if you block, which is more important

>>159560047
unless that was changed semi-recently, no you don't

>>159560138
>>159560047
?

Anyone got some citations about which happens first?

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>>159560138
>>159560263
it says right so in the game's manual, by linely himself
unless stone soup changed it

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>>159560263

>tfw playing Hill Orc Fighter
>orc priest kindly asks me to convert to Bleogh
>accept conversion to Bleogh just because, no previous god so no penalties
>end up being the prophet
>run into Orc Lair, most orcs now follow me, those who don't get mobbed up
>become Orc messiah
Why didn't anybody tell me about this fun?

>>159560582
Looks like blocking happens first.

>>159560476
see
>>159560582

>>159560676
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>159560629
It becomes mostly useless after lair branches because everything except your uniques/warlords gets shat upon by popcorn monsters

Maybe you'll hit jackpot and get Roka/Nergalle

>>159560935
also LITERALLY NO RESISTS

>tfw a band of 4 warlords gets rekt by a single meph dragon

>>159560831
>>159560676
>>159560582
>>159560476
When is Shroud of Golubria resolved?

Especially since there seems to be conflicts between what we're told happens and what actually happens.

>>159561187
you can gift your followers weapons and armor, they especially like randart glaives and highly enchanted plate armors. your god will also enchant them once in a while when they kill something

>>159561436
Did they buff that? I thought you could only do it once per game and it was a god gift or something like that

>>159561578
it's just a god ability last time i played ho

>>159561351
im sure the order was just changed when reflection was added

>>159561578
you can do it once PER ORC per game

so if you give grug the orc a +1 handaxe of venom and he grows up into a warlord he's stuck with that axe forever

but you can still give a fancy bardiche to grag the orc

>>159561351
I think it checks when you do get hit, and absorbs whatever damage it can.

>>159560582
ITS CONFIRMED
SHIELDS ARE DOG SHIT
HAHAHAHAHA FUCKING SHIELD FAGS BLASTED THE FUCK OUT

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>>159561351
shroud comes after all defenses have been rolled

on average, it's the equivalent of +10 hp

>>159562308
>shroud doesn't proc ripostes
Today has sucked dick.

>>159562605
Shroud is just a little bubble shield. Why would it proc ripostes, especially because its after EV rolls.

>>159563071
>little bubble shield
Don't talk about my spellfu like that, asshole.

>>159563115
>He doesn't like pert, little bubble shields
I meant it in a nice way, anon. Its a no brainer spell.

+6 Dex or +5 prot?

>>159563497
it depends
lmao what is this dumb question day

>>159563497
What are your defenses?

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>>159559386
I haven't actually abused that much since the Tonberry has been fumbling his dagger throws ( one dagger got actually destroyed by ill-placed acid ball )

As far as damage goes, it is wonderful, combining the slaying bonus with dual wielding / multitude of attacks plus backstabs is a rather good combo.

>>159546835
>Tome4
>Decent
Take all of it's hatred, mediocrity and shitness.

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>>159563476
I am now imagining shroud as a bunch of little bubbles that roam your skin that inflate and pop when they deflect an attack.

>>159563646
21/24/11. I'm also of Chei so I have 30 or 31 dex already.

>>159563794
Protection.

>>159563794
>inflate and pop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6byZTQImhMg

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>>159563968
DELETE THIS

>>159553114
ALlah is trully akbar today.

>>159563696
yeah the fumbling is a bit of a pain

i think once you're 18/50 dex (with stance on) you should at least always drop the daggers at your own feet instead of your enemy's, and at 18/160 you will almost never fumble

well that's with the stance on

there's always 1/150 chance that they land at the enemy's feet though, regardless of dex

(i looked all this shit up because i am playing a clubmaster that gets a similar throw spell

didn't help me from giving both my hammers to robin hood though)

>>159563940
>>159563646
>>159563497
>>159563794
What would end up competing with +5 AC?

>>159564816
+4 AC and a blowjob

>>159564816
Vital resists, possibly MP if they have spirit shield, something like +5 strength if they have heavy armour (but he is a cheifriend so that is moot), slaying, good rings that have multiples of stats like +3 EV with a resist or some extra int.

>>159563696
Once you get artefacts and a rod of telekinesis (this is like the one class that has a use for this) you can just spam throw and it's very strong.

>>159564996
>MP if they have spirit shield
this is the most retarded bad advice i've read in this general for a long time 5AC is worth much more than 9MP.

>>159565152
9 HP is worth more than 5 AC.

>>159565124
samurai can have a 100% return chance if they're throwing mjollnir
or aegisfang for some reason, even though it doesn't even have the "throwing" property

too bad that war hammers are not daggers

can items with "it cannot be harmed by the elements" get fucked by mana/chaos/disint breath?

>>159565275
the memes don't stop with you today don't they. not only is this wrong in and of itself, you're also double wrong for assuming you'll make full use of the whole 9mp unless you fight like a retard, and to make matters worse you're also triple wrong because 5AC will save you much more than 9hp over the course of almost any fight known to man

>>159565542
Yes, aside from artefacts.

5ac is better unless you're actually taking 3 or fewer hits in each fight

>>159565558
>What is torment?
>What is smite?
>What is hellfire?
But really though, +MP is super great with spirit shield. It has offensive and defensive applications and doesn't fall off as hard as +5 AC. Our cheifriends defenses are pretty solid, but eventually he will outgrow the AC in favor of juicier rings. MP would be a consideration atleast.

>ghosts with lesser beckoning

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>>159566494
Oh.

>>159566494
someone go make some trwr ghosts with 50% fail beckon and all other xp in UC

>>159565851
>>What is torment?
>>What is smite?
>>What is hellfire?
all things that don't change the fact that melee monsters exist and will contribute to your death. if you get killed by smite and torment alone you've either reached some transcendental assguttering or you faulted really hard. most deaths will include resistible damage and in most deaths with resistible damage that 5AC is worth more than 9HP. lastly torment only rapes your extra hp even harder, and high ac/ev characters are more resistant to tormentors for the simple reason that what little hp they have left after being tormented is worth more


>It has offensive and defensive applications
if you have any major offensive use for mp you have no business looking at spirit shield
in fact i'd argue that the better you are at the game the worse spirit shield becomes because you'll have so many other uses for mp unless you're deliberately playing a no casting conduct or worship trog, which is a good explanation for why a retard that thinks 5AC is worse than 9MP(HP) is also recommending spirit shield to a 24 int character.

>>159566971
>>159560831
We evaluate things differently, anon. That is all there is to it. I take spirit shield very highly, on all but the most squishy of mages (because I don't often make blasters, and when I do, I take melee up earlier than most), and value HP very highly over AC depending on when and where I am. I didn't mean to imply that he would take MP RIGHT now, and ONLY with spirit shield, its just that in the later game, MP would be better than AC. If you want to think I'm wrong and disparage me because of it, so be it.

>>159567553
Saying 'we evaluate things differently' is not an excuse for being a retard.

>>159567553
>We evaluate things differently, anon.
yeah i evaluate things hecka good and you evaluate things super bad so please don't contaminate the young minds of the future generation of tabbers

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i finally got past MCE, orphe and the chaos unicorn
i even beat the void versions of ultima and azzrssil and managed to evolve my dragon to her 3rd evolution

im almost done with elona's act 2's story

>>159568000
proud o' you boy
proud o' you

>>159566971
spirit shield is instant death resistance on felids and especially spriggans (because lol1lyfe)

MuMo was a mistake.
-dicku

>>159550994
>>159551248
>tfw not playing this year
>no crawl at all, actually
Feels good desu, especially after streaking nicely in the last tournament

>>159569715
spirit shield has its uses but it competes with spells and god abilities for your limited mp bar and usually you can get more bang for your buck by casting a few more blinks or passage of golubria or one more confuse attempt (60% fail rate is a lie) or what have you to get away from or kill the danger instead of absorbing 1hp = 1mp. there aren't that many instant deaths in crawl anyway and most of them involve paralysis

AC is good if you don't have much ac or ev otherwise
HP is good if you have a bit of ac or ev
LAYERS
(No really that's how it goes, it's always of different value based on your statsheet like most other things you fucks debate)

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>Your orc skeleton crumbles into dust!

Is it not bad enough that they can't follow me down to the next floor?

>>159571453
if you ever saw a statsheet once in your life you'd realize that the point at which 9hp is more valuable than 5AC is when you have 30AC and 60 hp which is highly unrealistic but you haven't seen a spreadsheet nor do you have any game sense to realize how much AC and HP are worth in terms of how they affect being punched by monsters in a real game

>>159572287
I have 31 AC and 141 hp.

>>159572154
Animate skeleton used to be the best spell in the game. It doesn't need to be stupid busted.

>>159572154
remember .17 when simulacrum affected every visible corpse and chunk instead of just the one you stood on

I've never fucked around with Gozag but decided to since I'm playing SpEn, what types of shops should I prioritize picking?

>>159572381
in-game or in real life?

>>159572639
The ones that have loot you need.

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>>159563794
I recognize that bubble!

>>159572639
if you have extra money then armor is the best way to get all round good resists and stat bonuses. antique weapons is usually the first shop unless the dungeon provided you with a decent weapon. if you want to get evoc get evocs. jewelry tends to have a very low chance of artifacts and is not worth the money, just like acquirement scroll.

How many of you here actually play with yuhjklbn ? Esp with games like PosChengband?

>>159532079
Well I just found an atomic lamp so I don't think I'll need a lantern, atleast not for reading or crafting at night

>>159573403
>yuhjklbn
we do not speak of that name in this household young lad

>Amulet of Harm
is it too risky or worth using?

>>159573403
i play with it nethack, but i play *bands with numberics. just use those controls which were designed for game.

>>159557909
Okay, let's finish this guy up.

>>159573403
I play everything with vi keys.

>>159573403
any other control scheme is heretical
we do not speak of ADOM here

>>159573642
kys yourself

>>159573508
>atomic lamp
Up there with a toolbox as the comfiest of early game finds.

also it's spelled "hjklyubn"

>embarrass the 27 head hydra
>almost get bent over by a thorn hunter
Ok.

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More like BrOrb of Firendliness.

>>159575302
Lucky me

I've also found the air filtration system CBM, now I have to get my skills high enough to install it without much risk

>>159575659
Or pop all the molly and save scum with 18 int like most people do.

>>159575659
Read some books and replace your trachea while on enough stimulants to kill a horse, it's the DDA way.

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It was 1 GP! What a steal.

>>159576760
well done!

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>>159576760

>>159576760
>solid walls
i saw that thumbnail and thought it was pcb

>>159577601
PCB makes the sensible choice of not having the HUD take up the majority of the terminal width.

>>159578162
when i played dcss in ssh i remember setting the terminal large enough to fill my screen because i wanted to see the whole level at once.

still didn't work. dcss levels are huge

>>159578509
Honestly one of my biggest pet peeves with DCSS right there.
I just like smaller levels.

Apparently one of my ghosts managed to get a kill. How do I use the crazy replay commands to find out who to laugh at?

i really don't see why people leave it at 80x24 or whatever though

like holy shit i have a 1080p monitor, that is a tiny fraction of my screen

i can understand it in nethack where that is the size of the whole level... but if you're playing crawl over ssh or something it seems like a pointless restriction

>>159579026
Tell me how to make it bigger and I will.

Because as far as I know, it just warps the screen to change the tile size.

If you're just shitposting, kys.

>>159579026
I just play with a giant font size.
Also standard termsize makes it easier for others to spectate (since it will fit for sure).

>>159579165
depends on what ssh client you're using

i had no difficulty changing it in putty options

>>159579224
yeah but everyone uses webtiles to spectate anyways

>>159579509
Tell me how. I use putty. Everyone I've asked uses 80x24 and just gives me some rationale on why they like it that way.

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>>159579629
?

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>>159579629
you say you've tried to change it but apparently you have never even tried to look at the options menu in putty because it's a really visible/obvious setting

bonus: rcfile settings as well

>>159579869
>windows xp

What are some essential /rlg/ tunes?
>hard mode: no power metal shit

>>159580857
the primary audience of roguelikes is people who are too poor to afford games with real graphics

>>159579869
Does nothing without

>>159580439
>rcfile settings

Thanks for being assholes though.

>>159580857
I got it from here: http://superuser.com/questions/80354/how-do-i-set-the-putty-window-size-to-open-bigger-than-the-default/80366

Which is probably the first result on google for "putty set terminal dimensions" for most people.

>>159580890
Music is not roguelikes, please fuck off to >>>/mu/ or >>>/wsr/

>>159581056
Changing terminal size isn't difficult. Making crawl print correctly for different terminal sizes can be cryptic.

>>159581006
Honestly, anon.
It's not our fault you are a fucking retard.

>>159581056
I was just trying to, you know, create some discussion to delay the imminent thread death.

>>159580890
i listen to podcasts or sometimes video game streams

favorite is http://thefpl.us

>>159580967
I thought it was autists who are content playing the same game (while complaining it is too easy) for hundreds of hours.

>>159581270
post questions instead

make them seem stupid but geniuine like "hey rlg should i use my +5 artifact longsword or this +0 greatsword"

>>159580890
vaporwave

>>159580890
>>159581602
>>159582420
roguelikes demand absolute silence. nothing should disrupt the concentration.

>>159582525
this is objectively correct

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Where to? Depths/Slime/Vaults? Just came back from breaking elven wrists.

Also, Nervous about taking off my prot ring, and also nervous about changing reflection for Vitality. They've both worked so well so far...

>>159582525
>>159582572
what's your win rate noob

>>159582525
what about the sound of rainfall outside a slightly-opened window

>>159582774
one and thirty seven hundredths per cent

>>159582767
Quaff some cmut retard

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>>159580890
Jethro Tull has been firmly established as thread music saint of taking it easy and getting runes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEYgJcTpabo

>>159582992
No. Only annoying things I have are rage and blur. Everything else is good.

>>159583106
every mut you have is either bad or irrelevant

>hooves: does nothing because you have boots on
>agile 2 clever 1: don't fucking matter, you already have cheistats
>sense surroundings: positive but doesn't really matter
>mpwands: can stop you from using heal/tele in an emergency

also holy shit i just shitposted about +5 longswords and you posted a screenshot with one. i hope that's just a stat stick for conjurations

>>159582774
forty vanchillion and a bilzanth, scrub

>>159583608
I haven't been reading the thread.

The LS has rC+++ and rElec. Could you contain your faggotry for a few minutes?

>>159583859
yeah and if it's a stat stick it's fine

but if you're actually hitting shit with it you've made a decision almost as dumb as your decision not to !cmut

>>159584121
It has rElec and rC+++

What do you think it's for, dipshit? Don't make fucking retarded assumptions and then sperg out because of them.

>>159582767
Vitality is way better than reflect imo.
I'd also use the protection ring over Heron, since you are going into the part of the game where having rF+ all the time is really useful.

I agree that you should cure your muts if you have potions. Do Vaults 1-4, then depths/slime, then the other, then V5.
Also, no enhancer staves yet?

how much evo do i need to check wand charges?

>>159584667
it's just a random chance that improves with evo, you can still potentially do it at very low levels

if you really don't want to waste charges (e.g. /hasting) use a scroll of ID

>>159573403
I play with yubn and arrow keys. Literally the perfect setup, except for the whole "it's always going to be easier to use the arrows than move diagonally." But since most roguelike food clocks and time mechanics are extremely forgiving, it doesn't matter in the end.

>>159566494
lesser beckoning unique when

>>159585491
roxanne

also holy shit i just got the pun in her name

>>159585491
A mottled draconian with ring of fire and lesser beckoning

>>159585491
>Allele the Lonely
>last remaining High Elf
>Appears from Depths 2-5
>Speed 20
>Spellset: Lesser beckoning, slow, leda's liquefaction, yara's, silence, summon butterflies
>only attack is a 1d2 touch to paralyze
>Allele the Lonely hugs you! x5
>The sobs of Allele the Lonely wake the dungeon!
>A stone giant comes into view!
>A golden dragon comes into view!
>A spark wasp comes into view! x4

perfect

>>159586756
Whenever they remove a species, they should add a unique of that species.

>>159585491
give it to ignacio instead of agony and make him an actual threat

>>159586895
And then have hangedman remove that unique later in a fit of hormonal fury and ridiculous walls of text.

>playing cata
>start throwing up heavily
>stats decreasing
>status shows nothing
>ate antiparasite drugs, antibiotics, prussian blue
>still happening
So am I dying?

>>159587346
Is your vomit described as a strange color? Seems to me like you need to down some fungicide.

>>159580890
>listening to anything but sickenly kawaii, upbeat Jpop
It's like you don't even want to win

>>159587448
It's not a strange color and there are no fungus near me. Can't figure out why I'm dying.

>>159587346
Sounds like radiation.

Did you decide to streak through a hazardous waste sarcophagus?

>>159580890
no powermetal? alright then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEVMpC7B5BI

>>159587531
>>>/cwz/
>>>/lld/

>>159587637
No but I did eat a shitload of irradiated food...

>chei
>wearing ozo armor
>get slowed
>they haste eachother
>EVERYONE TAKES IT EASY

I'm going to get my immo scrolls soon.

>>159587785
Anon has a point in that radiation 'cures' except radiation scubber CBM don't really heal much radiation. They're 'realistic' like that.

Never heard of irradiated food giving you radiation poisoning, but it's very easy for you to have gone through somewhere radioactive and not known it, like a bomb site.

>>159585491
>>159586005
>>159586756
>>159586895
no roxanne literally already has this capability
she has had it since far before it was a player spell
except instead of a cool name it's called "blink other close"

>>159588280
And roxanne is boring.