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NEVER AND EVER, A CYCLE UNBROKEN EDITION

>What's new?

Two new heroes, Varian and Ragnaros announced at Blizzcon, along with a new brawl map and a couple of new skins.

http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20327398/new-heroes-and-more-announced-at-blizzcon-2016-11-4-2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4900jOY8cCM

>Latest patch notes
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20324866/balance-update-october-10-25-2016

>Where do I find you Odin-without-master-assassin building faggots?
/join /vg/

>Which heroes should I buy?
Play all the heroes on free rotation and see who you like. Don't buy heroes just to get into ranked. It's not worth it. tychus is an excellent choice however

>Links nobody visits anyway
Official Site: http://us.battle.net/heroes/en
General News: http://www.heroesnexus.com
Tips & Tricks: http://heroesofthestorm.github.io/tips
Hero Rankings and Statistics: https://www.hotslogs.com/Default
Talent Calculator: http://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator

Previously on /hotsg/: >>159390549
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Where the FUCK is Maiev????
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first for ballistix win 3-1
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>>159492559
Think Fnatic has this one. Their draft looks very good.
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>No Chromie on Towers of Doom agains a Ming and Brightwing
Come on Fnatic, why did you have to pick Hammer? Chromie has such blowout potential and time traps RUIN Tracer.
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azmodan is the coziest hero

there's backline, then there's 'lol im getting kills from my spawn' backline
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>>159492704
Chromie is only good when the players are bad
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>uses z
>sieges up in front of enemy fort
Nice plays
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rip fnatic
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they were lucky to get one kill after a 4 man mosh and gorge with a gust into the wall of death
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stop fucking talking gilly
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why did these retards pick gorge
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>>159493393
please fuck off back to r9k
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literally the worst last game ever
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>>159493471
she's a shit caster you double nigger
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Wow fnatic is done
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>>159493027
It says "defeat" up above and I'm the highlighted player
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>those first two matches
fnatic is JUST tier
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All right all right, take a few minutes to enjoy korea and then get your asses back to training.
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Meme team didn't win :(
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Great feeds early game cost them that game
And then desperate memecomps on slippery heroes.
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booooooooooring
compare this shit to the fights on warhead junction
towers of doom was a mistake
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Koreans win every Blizzard game

Feels bad man
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>>159493915
Pretty sure Korea picked that map not Fnatic.
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>>159493963
They only won three
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>let's hear it for your world champions
>crickets
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Oh look, Korea won again.
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>>159493973
doesn't matter who picks it, it's just not as fun to watch as maps with regular cores
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What a dishonor to be defeated by some asian lowlife
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EUROS BTFO
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Best team won, but Fnatic did a great job
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>last match is on Towers of Doom
>korea picks cancer endurance comp
>final game is ruined by the fact that korea once again wins and the fact that the lady caster is shouting at an ear piercing volume
>after-match interviews are in ching chong
what a letdown to an otherwise enjoyable tournament
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>>159493726
ah ok thanks
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>>159494347
Fnatic still beat MVP Black lel
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>>159494390
i agree. our boys tried
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>>159494527
>our boys
They hate 4chan, they hate hotsg
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>>159494524
>Fnatic still beat MVP Black lel

>MVP Blacked
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>>159494658
they only hate one guy from here
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Well like any tournament there were some good matches and bad matches. Lets hope NA gets it together for next year.
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>>159494413
>the fact that the lady caster is shouting at an ear piercing volume
That cunt, she even screws up while commenting and can't find words fast enough to keep talking, so besides the shriking voice she says sorry or corrects herself every minute. I honestly would love that at the end the winning team, even the fake chingchongs get to fuck her on stage til she is dead.
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>>159495001
she is bad at casting but wow easy there
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>>159495001
>>159495129
She just doesn't have the game knowledge either.

>So gilly what do you think of the draft?
>"Well they have a warrior and 2 assassins so they should definitely pick a support"
>thanks gilly well said
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>>159495129
dude, every time she is talking you need to go and turn down volume. She is anti-casting, bitch is annoying. Worst part is that she is almost the worst of the bunch, so if she sucks because she doesn't know shit, she is a bad caster and she has a disgusting annoying voice, why is she there?

>>159495268
I could forgive being that silly because there's chance she could get better, but her voice. Fuck that.
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>fnatic have mosh
>koreans knew they suck and pick beam with li ming

lel
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is this the new meta?
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>>159497563
>d1
Yeah the shitter meta
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Reminder of reddit karma-whoring sell-out rats: https://www.reddit.com/r/heroesofthestorm/comments/4mh256/theres_a_guy_on_4chan_who_has_accurately_leaked/

https://www.reddit.com/user/SSJ5Gogetenks
>ponyfucker

They are in this thread RIGHT NOW!
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>>159497757
yeah, i'm sure i'll be passing whatever low-master rank you're holding. i'm the greatest player on this general after all
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When is it time for lunara christmas skin?
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>>159498151
*Grandmaster
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>>159498151
>I'm the greatest player
>dies 16 times
I'm grandmaster and all I do is play against bots, rarely play HL
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>core goes to 4%
>they medivac in
>i nuke them and we push and win

feels good man
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>8 minute queue
>someone is afk

JUST
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>Sonya labeled as warrior
>Buy her because i want to be good at one hero in each role
>It's one of those "it's a warrior but not really and can't solo warrior" heroes
heh, nice job blizz
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>>159500354
Should've asked here before, dummy
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>>159500354
>want to be good
>doesn't do any research
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Anyone got a link for that sick game 3?
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>>159500580
>>159500673
So what warrior characters can i trust to be good at their job?
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>>159500932
twitch blizzheroes
>koreans mandhandle yuros en 12 min
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>there are people IN THIS THREAD RIGHT NOW who think chromie doesn't take skill
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>>159501542
I remember when she came out there were autists whining in big long posts about how her skillshots take skill to land.
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>>159501002
muradin, etc, johanna
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>>159500354
warrior =/= tank

she's a bruiser
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>>159501818
Thanks anon

>>159502213
I understand that, but given that both of those roles fall under the same category in hots i think it's not wrong for me to be slightly miffed over it
A small clarification on blizz's side would be nice
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>>159502213
Have they nerfed her sometime in the past few months?
I remember her having no issues solo tanking.
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>>159502976
I can solo tank with her in QM, using spear as my only CC and whirlwind as my only sustain, but it isn't the best.
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Is there anything more satisfying than carrying as Abathur?
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>>159507190
being against a good abathur makes me want to uninstall
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>>159507510
>>159507190
I hate it when it is a siege abathur. I know SIEGE abathur sucks and we should be winning every team fight if he goes full siege, but then we lose to a backdoor HATTED MONSTROSITY and I feel like a retard.
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>>159507832
What, you can't handle the aba mind games?
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>>159507832
literally figuratively somewhat seriously just look at the map
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>>159510642
I actually do look at the map, but when there are fucking thirty locusts, one person isn't enough to clear them. And finding those fucking little locust pods is a pain.

I know that Siege Aba is bad, that's what makes it worse.
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B-but fnatic hexagon mount... fucking gooks
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>>159511474
rude
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>I spit on da Horde!
What will his kit be like lads?
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should i buy gul'dan or alarak?
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>>159514507
Do you like being an immobile squishy who can tank low-DPS retards?
Or a functional assassin who insults you in John DeLancie's voice?
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>>159514497
skin for nazeboo
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>>159514497
another melee assassin, ffs
I like melee assassins; my "mains" are basically Greymane, Illidan and Butcher, but nowdays its too much: Alarak, Samuro, Varian, Rag and Zul'jin
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>>159515739
>Rag
Man, I don't get why he's an assassin desu. Always seemed more like a warrior to me.
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>>159515739
Remember when all melee assassins except for Thrall were bad and everyone memed on you for playing Butcher
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>>159515793
He really should be. Even if he's a bruiser-type like Sonya, he really should be branded Warrior.
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>>159516045
Then he'd deal no dmg, and a giant flaming dude that throws meteors around should be able to kill.

They mentioned that they think of him like they think of Thrall, and I think thats the best way they could've balance it. An almost bruiser but with shitton of dmg.
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>>159516045
>>159515793
Appearance wise sure, but his kit is really more Specialist than anything.

I swear Blizzard doesn't give a fuck about the roles at this point. I won't even be surprised if they announce fucking Garrosh as a fucking support.
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>>159516187
HE'S SUPPORTING THE TEAM BY TAKING DAMAGE FOR IT!
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>>159515793
Isn't he more of specialist type? I mean he has tons of siege talents and a pretty low health pool.
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>>159516227
It works for LoL
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>>159516279
>>159516187
Siege =/= specialist

Teamfight-wise, specialists and assassins mainly differ in who can actually finish up kills. Zagara or Naz deal a ton of dmg but they rarely can actually assassinate someone to 0HP, they either don't have the burst or chase. Rag seems to be able to literally explode on people a few times with substantial AA's and burst spells in quick succesion.
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>>159516456
I don't see much siege potential in Rag.

What I do see is a very unique, and specialized,, anti-siege hero, who can entirely shut down a push attempt on a lane.

I see him shutting down Braxis super hard in particular.
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>>159516456
>he never gets Spider kills an hour after walking away from an enemy
>he doesn't use Ravenous Spirit
>he can't time his Zombie Walls

Nazeebo can absolutely finish off someone if you're lucky/skilled enough to land his abilities.
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>>159516726
>>159516456

am I daydreaming or did they actually talk about a "class labels" (warrior, assassin...) update they are working on?
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>>159516726
You're right. He does seem to have the ability to counter map-based hazards.
And he seems like he'll have a large health pool to back himself up, but he'll still be countered by characters like Tychus and Leoric who can do percentage-based damage.
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>>159516726
The lava wave would only kill minions (maybe mercs), not monsters. If he could instagib a whole zerg wave with a single ult that shit would be bonkers OP.
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>>159517040
I've got bad news for you my nigger.
The big ones survive with a little bit of hp left though, so it's not that bad.
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>>159517040
it does a shit ton of damage against zerg rn
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>>159517040
It doesn't insta kill them like minions obviously, but it still deals massive dmg to them

>>159516991
They did mention many times that quest system is shit. Maybe they'll rework the classes too. I'd like their rework of Kharazim to actually make assassin Khara a thing and make him a duo-class hero too, like Varian. Varian even supposedly counts for both assassin and warrior quests. Same thing should happen to Tyrande, Tass and Medivh. Make them all duo-class, with reworked talents to fully commit to that choice between two playstyles.
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>>159517040
it INSTAKILLS only minion, but damages everything that's in the lane except for structures, heroes take double damage also
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>>159517224
>even less solid supports to pick

WOO HOO I SURE DO LOVE PLAYING NOTHING BUT MALF/UTHER/AURIEL ALL THE TIME
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>>159517937
They'd work the same as supports, they'd just be able to go full assassin if for some reason you'd want to.
Actually, there'd be more supports to pick, since if they'd embrace the way of players fully commiting to one of the classes of their choice, they'd probably could make Tass a full-on support, maybe Medivh too.
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>>159518148
>"its ok guise im going support"
>only picks assassin talents
>"fuck you l2p noobs"

this is what's gonna happen, don't delude yourself.
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Fun and cute!

Sweet and stinky!
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>>159518229
Shitters are gonna be shitters no matter on what hero. You can always just take another support yourself if you don't thrust your team. And if he actually does go heal, then hey, it's not like two supports is bad.
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>>159517040

Hate to tell you this man but 600 DPS absolutely melts a zerg wave.
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those E+Q combos they showed for artanis looked fucking sick
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>>159519906
Did you not experience them yourself when the accidentally put them on last PTR? They ARE fucking sick.
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>>159519995
I didn't bother trying them out because they said the change wasn't going live, but I really liked the idea
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Redpill me on leoric and diablo
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>>159520754

Leoric did literally nothing wrong, and also the most fun hero in HotS (by far)
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>>159520754
There's just better stuff than Diablo.
Leoric is good against double warrior comps.
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>>159520786
>"Paul shall suffer!"
Who is Paul and how did he wrong Leoric so badly that the king wants him to suffer?
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>>159521875
>PAUL SHALL SUFFER
>FIRE AT WILL

Paul and Will are right fuckos
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>>159521875
>>159522075
>my name is Paul
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>>159521875
I assume https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-sams-3a27504
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>>159522194
ONE LESS TRAITOR!
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>>159521875

DO NOT SPEAK TO ME IN THOSE TONES
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fuck I want some gameplay videos of ragnaros and varian but there are literally 2 of them on youtube
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>>159522704
You're looking in the wrong places.
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>>159522824
help me my dude pls
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>>159522704

Pic link is two hours of Varian and Diablo vs. AI.
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>>159523039
the madman actually did it
thanks!
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>>159523039

>varian and diablo

i meant varian and ragnaros obviously. shit
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>>159523229
Diablo and Ragnaros are literally the same character anyway.
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>>159523293
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>>159492407

After looking 5 videos about the new heroes:

Varian is neat, but he is easily broken. He'll be nerfed in one week. His run+stun+weak is way too powerful and easy to do.

Ragnaros is FUCKING BORING. His 3 active skills are meh, and the gimmick of towers is practically useless unless you are losing (and even so is super easy to just retreat for 10 seconds and comeback.) What a boring fucking hero, waste of space. Nothing but trash.


Hopefully we had rumors of Valeera being almost ready to release along that sissy "troll" every manchildren ask for. I need my gf on the Nexus already.
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>>159523293
>cute big friendly demon
>evil angry lava monster
>literally the same
No
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>>159524279
>towers is practically useless unless you are losing
You do realize you can use it on destroyed forts/keeps of the enemy team as well and that his abilities have enough range to reach objectives from a friendly fort?
It's going to be really good on the offensive on a lot of maps.

>dragonknight kills keep
>Ragnaros posses keep ruins
>enemy team now has a dragonknight+Ragnaros wrecking their shit
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>>159524332

>big
>red
>fire
>final boss baddy of diablo 1

>big
>red
>fire
>first final boss baddy of vanilla WoW

I get it desu
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>>159524737
But anon, Diablo breathes lightning not fire...
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The artwork for this brawl is super cool.

And Nova looks super hot too
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>>159525036
?
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>>159524878

I never said anything about what he breathed, retard.
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>>159525645
What you should do is breathe in my farts, asswipe
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>>159525769
l-lewd
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Against TLV, Aba, Chromie, Auriel and Guldan in the brawl lol.
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>>159525916
Do you really think that, anon?
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>>159506929
>>159502976
>>159502213

Four roles are cancer incarnate. How about simply giving us hte heroes and let us figure out where they fit in a comp? So we don't have abortions like teams with solo tank Artanis because he's labeled as a warrior or people freaking out because of a double specc pic on Tomb
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>>159494730
hobo is not an easy man to love
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>>159527080
>How about simply giving us hte heroes and let us figure out where they fit in a comp
Does any MOBA do that?

Does any competitive game do that?
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>>159527443
Dude, this does not evne qualify as trolling. Either you are retarded for thinking anyone would take the bait or you are retarded for actually asking that question.
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>>159527571
This is 4chan, I seen more outlandish ideas that people were serious about.
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>tfw u'll never be part of a tf this retarded
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>>159528251
but i'm already retarded enough to forget linking it
https://twitter.com/TwitchEsports/status/795096084594819072
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>>159524279
Valeera is terrible. If they actually include that joke hero this game will die for sure.
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>>159528352
>>159524279
>including Valeera over the one true rogue
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>>159528575
That's not his daughter
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>>159528575
We want the hearthstone community
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>>159528792
No we don't. We want the Overwatch community. Hearthstone had their chance.
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>>159528575
You know if they add a VanCleef it will be Vanessa. They wanna keep the amount of female heroes high
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>>159528986
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! grr i hate blizzard now
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>>159528986
>>159528759
>>159529232
Is she even popular though?
Like are there even lots of people cospalying her like Jaina or Sylvanas?
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>>159529712
No, that's the point. Shit sucks. I just wanna backstab some peeps.
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>>159529712
Not really, outside of hentai communities.

And if that was the case, Alexstrasza and Yrel would be playable already.

But the point is, if they ever, for whatever reason, wanted to add a VanCleef, it'll be Vanessa for sure. Edwin is even less popular
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>>159530904
because they showed it for about 0.5 seconds
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>>159530904
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>>159531368
Vanessa is currently alive in WoW too so there is also that.
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>>159529712
Yeah people definitely cosplay her a lot, obviously not sylvanas level of cosplay though that shit is spammed into oblivion.
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I'm currently playing HotS on my smurf account. For a few months I have been logging on my main once every three days to queue up for Unranked Draft and do the quests. I pick Leoric and AFK at the enemy team's keep. From my observations, every second game there is a retard on the enemy team who stays by me and kills me all the time, trying to prevent me from destroying the keep. How the fuck are these retards enjoying the game? I'm shocked. And worst of all, whenever I try to speed up the process (of them winning the game) and make use of Leoric's W in death, they run away from me to break it.
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https://youtu.be/SsmjrmkFZYI
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>>159507190
No, but carrying as vikes is pretty sweet.
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Samuro nerf hopefully
https://youtu.be/rlpdzEyMVUk?t=2m
>2:00
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>One guy afks for the first half of the match
>game spends a good amount of time to kick him out
>He finally rejoins 7 minutes in
>We won

Sometimes I feel bad for the enemy team, since we steamrolled them 4vs5
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>>159507832
>I know SIEGE abathur sucks

On big maps like garden terror locust build+attack speed+ultimate evol is awesome.
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>>159532607
call me whatever you want, but I genuinely think who does these kinds of things is literally mentally ill
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>>159532607
I thought that was pretty damn lame.

Also me in the costume.
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Yo I'm just here for the genji skin, are the links in the OP good enough to teach me about the maps and shit? Items to buy and what-not? I know maps have objectives
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>>159533214
Nvm objective, idiots keep dying at them. Get Get pusher like Raynor and just push lanes. You'll see you kill fort and team-mates will keep dying like idiots. Also, protip: turn off allied chat.
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>>159533214
play against the ai? you dont need to know anything and will still win, even faster
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>>159533214
The game has short tutorials that will teach you everything you need, literally takes to play 1 time to understand the map and Hero, you don't need to read shit just play the tutorial.

Just one thing. you need to buy a hero later so I recommend Valla.
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I don't understand people sometimes..

>Playing Garden of Terror
>We have a Fortress and our Core on full HP
>They only have a 20% life, and shields core left
>Get in the plant
>Say in chat (before and after I get in the plant) everyone come with me to the core and attack it, we're doing an all in they can't stop this.
>It's actually the correct play, due to the life of the core
>No one fucking comes
>Spend like 30 seconds running around away from enemys / harrassing the core and stuff
>Eventually just start going ham on the core
>I lose the plant
>Continue attacking the core as my hero
>I die eventually and its on what is basically 1-500 life
>Team is fighting their plant

I get it. You can be dumb and bad and whatever. But all these guys spoke English. Is there something about HOTS that makes people not want to win or something? Please, it's not even a cheap win if ALL of their other buildings are dead. Fuck this god damn game seriously.
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Is there any rusky link to watch those Blizzcon panels?
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>>159533404
This, raynor is the most OP hero in the game. he can solo push a lane to the core by himself while retards go for objective, just remember to drink from a healing fountain.
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Did they give any info when the 'play with friends for free stuff'-thingie will be available?
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>>159534552
Nov 15th.
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>>159534552
from november 15 to january 4
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>>159534761
thanks friendo. Free Zarya and Li Ming inc
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WHEN? Enough with these WoW heroes, I want some more diablo in hots.
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>>159535176
Nobody cares about Diablo.
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>>159535176
Any ideas or wishes for the Druid ability set?
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>>159533214
You could also use someones referral link for a starter pack after your first free games, if you're still below level 5.
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when is warrior going to be separated between Warrior and Vanguard or something to separate tanks and bruisers?
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>queue for hl game
>stuck on an infinite loading screen
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>>159535225
I get that he probably wont be a werewolf because we already have Greymane but maybe as an ult or something.
Werebear could work as a tank maybe.
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>>159535538
Now that they're releasing Varian, not likely.
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>>159535538
When are you scrubs going to learn that roles don't matter?
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>>159535884
I don't give a shit about roles, but I'm constantly surrounded by retards who think Warrior = Tank so they fuck up comps because "hurrr i thought we had a tank already" when someone picked sonya/artanis/zarya
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WHERE THE FUCK IS WHISPY
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>>159531368
>Edwin is even less popular
But he's the much more iconic boss since almost every Alliance player fought him at level 20 or so.
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>>159536003
you realize nothing will change even if they do that right?
>having roles like they are now
"dude artanis is a warrior, of course he can tank"
>splitting warriors in two categories
"dude artanis always has his shield up, of course he can tank"
there will always be shitters
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>>159536353
He was popular 10 years ago anon.
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rejuvanation, nourish, (some shitty damage spell)

effloresence, (some shitty ult)

swiftmend talent

WHEN DO WE GET A fun RESTO DRUID
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>>159535538
Actually, Kent-Erik confirmed that they absolutely want to seperate tanks from bruisers and real healers from general supports, but they don't know when and he can even see it being announced at next year's Blizzcon. Or they can change their mind till then. But for now, they absolutely want to do it, it just takes work.
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>>159536495
I guess you got a point there, why even bother
People will either know or not know how heroes actually work regardless of labels
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>>159536575
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>>159536746
People play whatever the fuck they want regardless of roles. You gotta twist peoples arms already to get them to play support, they'll just say that warriors tank fine and we don't need a vanguard or some other stupid justification. I'm just as mad as you though I like to play Anub but every time you pick him its auto loss cause no one picks another warrior.
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>>159537083
I had a guy telling me that because they picked Vikings that we needed less team fight to "contest" all the lanes at the same time.

I'm like- Actually, since theyll be essentially a hero down, but higher level- we should stack the team fight and kill them early, and all game- Hyper Aggression.
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>>159537265
Both routes are legit. At least if he meant globals or heavy lanepush by less teamfight.
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>he believes in forced 50
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>still no Kel

It ends now.
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>>159538115
You shall too after your next few games, especially if you're a solo player.
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>>159538115
whoa, you must be rank 1 GM with that 86% win rate
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>>159538648
I wonder what the best W/L ratio is (above 1000 games played) and who the fuck has it.
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>>159538285
Next Halloween for sure.
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>>159538479
How come I started off with a sub 50 winrate this season and got up to 55% then?

You'd think I'd end up at 50%, yet 55 is where I am. Hell, last 30 days only it's 66% in HL.

All soloqueue.

>>159538648
Not quite :v)
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>championship finals was pretty fun to watch
>50-60k viewers in twitch
>still ded game
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>>159539071
>filename is not fnatic

lel
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>>159539151
I'm hoping that OW event will bring lots of new players.

HS and wow events next hopefully.
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>>159539071
I don't think you get it.
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>>159538115
are you actually retarded? You just screenshotted like 5 games.

Forced 50% is over the course of years. And its fucking true also.
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>>159539819
>check hotslogs
>winrate in hl
>s2, s1 and preseason
>hundreds of games
>have a 53% winrate
really makes you thinkg
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>>159539291
OW event won't bring anything but faggots ruining your games for a skin.
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>>159540038
Who cares. I'll never interact with them and the more players this game has the better.

If some of them stick around it's a success.
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>>159540038
they'll all be bronze though so if they only play 15 games you'll never meet them
it will just push other shitters higher up the ranks when they wreck these new guys
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Zarya has put Tassadar and additional six feet under the ground
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>>159540546
yeah but she also has some flaws
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why pros pick tassadar with tracer ??? whats so specific with these 2?? last i checked tassadar shield talent heals u from getting dmged by basic attacks, not u dealing dmg
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>>159540546
not really but varian will.
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>>159541390
>Leeching Plasma
>While Plasma Shield is active, 30% of the target's Basic Attack damage against the primary target is returned as Health.

Tass lets Tracer dive. The shield is like 30% of her health. Without shields she's supersquishy and just gets destroyed by whatever.
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>>159541390
You got it completely backwards, it's dealing damage.
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I enjoy playing brightwing, abathur, and the lost vikings. What hero should I try playing next?
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>>159539151

It actually got up to 96k.
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>>159541948
falstad, dehaka, rexxar
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>>159541990
>>159539819
>all those people joining constantly posting 'wtf is this' 'this looks like shit'

reeled 'em in lads, hots will be eclipsing league and dota soon
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>>159541948
if you like globals you could try dehaka or falstad
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Haven't played this in months. Is this game still a badly optimized jewtastic cashgrab?
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D.VA WHEN?
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>>159542417
if u playing high level hero league then the game is not improving, it's still shit, go play something better
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>>159542559
I've already gotten masters in League and bored with it and Dota is pure garbage. It also doesn't seem like anyone is ever going to make a MOBA again because they just can't compete with the big 2 so there's not many options.
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>>159542417
play in fullscreen and close the Bnet launcher, it will run much better
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>>159543176
>[farts at the audience]
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>>159543176
>I made this cosplay because I really like this character
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>>159542417
Like Overshit?
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>>159543176

Are all professional cosplayers just huge whores or what?
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>>159543539
>you can be professional at anything without becoming a whore

you have to please your boss/audience/clients to be succesfull at anything
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>>159536495
I'll agree to this. I love Rexxar, but I don't really consider him a warrior, he's basically a beefy specialist like Xul or Azmodank. He really cannot be the only warrior.
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HOW MANY OF YOU INSECTS ARE READY FOR RAGDADDY?
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>>159543539
she crafted and wears a costume that is pretty spot on on with the original. how does that make her a whore?
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>>159543993
Please don't tell me that you just run between merc camps with Rexxar.
Git gud. Rexxar can absolutely be a solo warrior. He's the CC king. Misha is basically indestructible, a perfect tank. You just have one more team member (Rexxar himself) to peel for.
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>>159543176
jesus those cardboard pards look so fucking bad
what a dumb slut
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>>159544159
>ragdaddy
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>>159544606
>[a loud ranch smelling burp]
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>>159544375
I mean he can solo warrior vs a bronze team.

I basically use Rexxar to dominate objectives and output a shitton of crowd control. One of the best, if not THE best stuns in the game. I also love him as a counter to Ming/Chromie, you can just body block Orbs and Sand all day and cuck them into nothingness.

But certain characters will blow him the fuck up.
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I hope there is one with valla. I really really like valla.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm832Zjr8lQ
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>>159545042
somewhat cute but incredibly boring
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>>159545042
>[sounds of not understanding a word of english]
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>>159545042
that looks horrible. even "thic" jaina and chromie is better
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>>159544852
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When will they release ragnaros?
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>>159544364
Because she is showing her flesh beyond her hands and ankles and he can't handle that.
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>>159545405
december
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>>159545373
HOT
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>>159545405
Hello, Ragnaros will be playable on the PTR on the first week of December, and will be released on the public servers the following week.
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>>159544375
>our team has solo rexxar vs us
>check his build
>he went aspect of the beast
>just kill misha every teamfight
>he went aspect of the rhino
>force him into more defensive talents by killing misha after 10 and then just ignore her late game
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>>159545608
I thought it was feminists that can't stand that. I for one am all for sexual displays.
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>>159545405

six weeks
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last one for now. if you guys want i will make some more later.
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PTR
W H E N
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>>159546071
No, feminists are all for dressing and acting like sluts and then whining that you're "slut-shaming" them when you point out that they're being slutty.
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>>159543176
>>159544606
>>159545042
>>159545373
>>159546670

THESE GIRLS PROBABLY NEVER EVEN PLAYED THIS GAME
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>>159547078
Hello, the PTR for our next major patch will actually be starting next week. Stay tuned.
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>>159547240
you can't know for sure and it doesn't matter anyway
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>>159547308
thanks trikslyr
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>>159547240
I'm sure they wasted like 500us to go cosplay about something they dont like.
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any videos of that `state of the game` panel uploaded somewhere?
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>captured enemy mercs on their side with team
>game is slightly in our favor
>enemy has catapults about to be on our core
>tell them in chat i'm going back to clear it
>they all run down to enemy boss and die in a 4v5
>"ohh lol wow rexxar wasn't there"

This game is cancer.
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I hate that it feels like Blizzard won't take any chances with new mechanics.

You know anyone who says shit like "Well HOTS is what HOTS is, so they shouldn't change it"

Well HOTS is dead because it's HOTS. And its because it has literally no depth that pros fucking hate it. Even overwatch has more depth.
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>>159545042

I see Xul have been playing with Ming's corpse for a while.

Goddamn guy.
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>>159548431
So, let us hear your constructive suggestions
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>>159548431
new mechanics such as?
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>>159548325
They'll appear on some russian torrent sites sometime after they forget about taking them down. They didn't have much to tell us anyway, kind of disappointing. I could summarize it if you wanted to.
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>>159546670
this cosplay perfectly sums up my D3 experience after playing D2 for 15 years
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>>159548821
More specialists like Abathur that are more than your average mobashit
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>>159548935
ragnaros and varian are more than your average mobashit imo
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>>159548935
Why? 9 out 10 times they will just fail and never be used. Not to mention they are much harder to design and balance.
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>>159548935
unconvential heroes like abathur, lost vikings and cho'gall are also the least popular heroes though
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>>159548431
>I want a item shop and a boring farming early game!
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>>159548853
i googled it and found the live thread on reddit. they pretty much covered it so im good. thanks anyway
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>>159548935
everytime i see someone pick aba or vikings i die a little inside because i know they are probably horrible at playing them

i don't want every single fucking game to have a mandatory one or two meme heroes
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>>159548370
Did your team start their boss on contest the enemies bossgrab?
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>>159548935

>murky
>cho'gall
>abathur
>lost vikings
>auriel
>ragnaros
>varian
>abathur
>sgt hammer

There are tons of whacky heroes in this game, if anything this game has far more unique playstyles than any mobashit.
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Just played brawl as Tychus with gaz, TLV, naz and auriel
vs
muradin, tyrael, samuro, nova and tyrande. Couldnt the game atleast try to give the same roles to both teams?

We won holy shit Tychus is good
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>>159550121
>he doesn't cover all lanes as the vikings
>alternatively he never joins the fights with the boat he picked

>Abathur is just out of xp range all the time
>picks monstrosity and pushes 2 buildings during the game
>never hats anyone or places mines
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>>159532748
That's not siege build though. That's the standard build.
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>play with Abathur
> he only sits on his ass the whole game
> doesn´t know what body soaking is, can´t into split push, is entirely useless
> Abathur lvl 15
Literally how?
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>>159551483
God damn, that's exactly what I had a few days ago. 3 times in a row. A different player.

Fuck QM.
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>>159551659
the worst is if they get defensive about it
> lvl 15 suck my dick
I´m only lvl 9 with aba and know more than you dick suckers
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>>159550806
>>he doesn't cover all lanes as the vikings
>not knowing about the sick dragon shire strat
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>>159548674
PT 1
Combat needs to be drastically changed for starters. Combat needs to be more impactful on the game. CC basically needs to work better. But then again, so does Anti-CC, such as Medivh's protection. But at the same time it should be on a longer cooldown. Fights should mean something, and they shouldn't be these long drawn out things because everyone has too much safety net. Anyhow, I don't want to confuse you too much so..

Here's just an example of what I would suggest for 2 heroes (And I haven't gone into too much depth about things because mainly its just powerscaling + longer cooldowns)

Butcher:
Butcher just damage increased on all skills
Healing from attacks shouldn't be anywhere near as much as he gets.
Furnace should be a lot bigger AOE, much bigger cooldown.


Medivh
Skillshot: 12 second cd, 5 second hero cd - Does a lot more damage now
Protection: 15 second cd, lasts 3 seconds
Teleport: Much larger range, 1 minute CD
Ultimates: Are probably fine as they are but, neither of them dealt any damage and are both high skill cap skills.
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>>159552192
>Anti-CC, such as Medivh's protection
???
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>>159552192
PT2 CONTINUES

So what would this do: Well, it means combat would be faster. The actual game might be slower though. It also means you would have to tweak the EXP of everything, structures, minions, heroes. It makes the fights that actually happen more significant. Healing should also be strong, but also on a large cooldown.

I want them to stop putting heroes into roles. This does nothing but take out the depth of how a hero should be played, and also makes the Devs create the hero in a way they want you to play it, rather than how you think it should be played.

I would like to see games go slightly longer, but be more fast paced during them. 20 minutes isn't really a good amount of time for a moba. The upper limit should be 40, with average games going around 30 minutes.

I also want them to add height / uphill vision to the game. This isn't just a "Dota" thing. They made warcraft 3 and it made sense then also. It makes sense in Starcraft 2 and it makes sense in HOTS.

Maps need to be larger. Tomb of the spider queen needs to be scrapped. It's far too small to have enough "game depth" outside of the heroes them selves fighting. Minimum map size should be like Sky Temple. That means maps such as Blackhearts bay, infernal shrines, and battlefields of eternity are what I consider "small" even though Blizzard probably considers these as average or large.

Also lastly Id like them to maybe add "Armor" from overwatch to the game. This mechanic is pretty straight forward. Some characters have armor, and some dont. Armor characters counter fast attackers, but are wrecked by heavy hitters. This would add a cool "rock paper scissors" environment based on health pools of heroes already chosen.
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>>159550121
That is a problem. With aba on good aba maps I win 70% or more (only want him on big maps), but every single time I have to argue till I am blue in the face that it is not a troll pick. Given up on picking/defending vikes. Ppl. can act like you are taking murky for a one-over of their mom if you pick them.
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>>159552317
err, I didn't mean ANTI-CC, I kinda just meant Defensive ability
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>>159552192
>>159552346
This is just I want Dota 2 the post. Getting blown up in 0.1 seconds is not fun and should only happen on rare occasions, not every single time.
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>>159552192
>Fights should mean something, and they shouldn't be these long drawn out things because everyone has too much safety net

sounds like quick match.
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>>159552571
>Getting blown up in 0.1 seconds is not fun and should only happen on rare occasions
See this is why your game is going to die.


If you increase map size, and hero damage you put an emphasis on vision which is a mechanic that means jack shit in HOTS.
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>>159552192
>>159552346
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>>159552192
ok your not wrong o.O
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>>159552723
But fights don't mean anything, unless you wipe their team, you have virtually NO advantage because people will not take advantage of the fact that they're down a man.
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>>159552984
>>159552346
>>159552192
Nah, it's fine and you should play another game.
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>>159552813
Nobody likes placing wards.
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>>159532607
cute
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Which hero should I buy next?
I enjoy supports that have a good heal like Malf.
I was thinking the SC medic. Her healing looks fun
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>>159554283
Morales plays nothing like Malfurion. Also shes on permanent healer duty where as Malfurion is a well-made hero.

Since I can see you're a level 1 medivh, give him a go- he's fun and has some support skills.
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>>159554283
start playing instead of buying
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>>159554465
I got 10k gold sitting around desu.
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>>159554283
I think you should be playing the game instead of just buying things you want to try. The free rotation will change in 36 hours.
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>>159554283
Also definitely try Brightwing for a few matches now that she's free to play.
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>>159554519
come back when you have 100k sitting around
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>>159554887
>there are people in this thread even at this very moment who have less than 150k gold at any time
it's like they don't even play the game
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>>159554283
try karazhim, he's tons of fun
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Is Arthas bad again? I've not had my usual luck with him.
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>>159557891
Yep only good warriors now are ETC and Muradin and the rest are useless.
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>samuro with stim drone

horry shit
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>>159558128
Horror shit. I was pleased the lead designer confirmed nerfs for Samuro in his interview with chu8.
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>Play with a huge cunt twice in a row
>gets caught as lunara in the middle of 3 enemy heroes multiple times
>goes back into fights with barely no health
>"uh, abathur, how about you hat me one of these days"
>"wtf no good tassadar shields"
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>>159552192
>>159552346
There was this thing called Tyrande stunlock meta a few months back. People would pick Tyrande with a setup stun like muradin or diablo and instagib people with the double stun and vulnerability.

It was awful and everyone hated it. Worst meta this game's ever had by far. You're essentially suggesting to make that a full-time thing with all heroes.
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>outdmg the whole game as lili after I was left with a hard choice what to pick in a no supp, no tank draft
>get blamed by my team for not healing enough
:-DDDDD
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I like that even though Zarya doesn't have the reload mechanic that Tracer does, she does sometimes "reload" when walking around. I love that sound effect they use.
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>>159560007
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>>159560123
that's some quality design
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wish there was a feature to tie my main account rank to smurf so that i cant fall down below a certain threshold because i lost a few games on smurfo and now sitting on d4 wasting pointless time just to climb out, funny you can win any game on these ranks as illidan, the players are so fucking bad, and worst of all they think they have brains and the skill to do plays and things, just had 3 fuckers in game who never listened to me and kept dying because of that. i really dont understand how bad players like this can fucking exist, like SIMPLY HOW? what is so hard about idk, soaking some XP and not fighting the enemy team for a minute so we can have game winning advantage later? also laughed my ass off at this tassadar in my team who moved in a straight line and couldnt juke muradin stun, fucking pathetic, how do these people even manage to breathe irl?
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>>159561846
ever considered you're just an arrogant fuck who's not as good at this game as he thinks?
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>>159561846
Several people have proven that if you're good enough, you can carry yourself out of literally bronze, fully solo. I feel ya, though. I just can't help but feel that maybe we're just not as good as we think we are.
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>>159561846
Everyone below Diamond 2 is just straight garbage. I'm not saying D2 players are good but everything below that is just shit.
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>>159563212
As they said at Blizzcon, literally all of you are shit, as they're striving to make Gold the new Bronze/Silver. It's messed up just how bad the general HOTS player is, but if you think about it, it's who this game was designed for.
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>>159563740
genderbends when
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>>159562901
nah im not complaining about MMR hell, im just rofling at these very trash players. ill get to master league in a day of playing.
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>>159564392
Blows my mind how some of these people are anywhere above silver, but I guess they really are the "top 20%".
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>>159492407
Alex is a stupid nigger
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>>159563740
not even a niggress
>>
MMR hell exists in everygame, anyone saying otherwise is delusional

>b-but plebbit told me you can't go GM by yourself!!!!

obviously MMR hell does not happen to everybody, but just because 1 person fought mmr hell doesn't mean it doesn't exists

Its like saying cancer doesn't kill you because some people fought cancer, therefore if you die of cancer you just aren't trying hard enough
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>>159565359
on a related note, I hope you die from cancer so you can't pass your retard genes
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>>159565571
Good one, anon
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>>159492407
Is still worth to buy Samuro?
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>>159566008
No. Well, not after tuesday anyway.
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>>159565571
All this damage control just because I destroyed your little world?

Neck yourself plebtard. hot arguments you have there autisto
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>>159565359

no. you're not climbing because you're either not good enough to or you are purposely gimping yourself by playing inferior heroes / picking whatever you want when another hero would massively compliment your team or counter the enemy team.

>i'm a nova main xD
>i don't tank
>wtf why can't i rank up
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>>159566304
no you :)
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>>159566409
>i'm a nova main

Literally nothing wrong with this if you are good

>i don't tank

Pro players all specialize in one role and when they play the others they suck

>wtf why can't i rank up

MMR hell and way to much focus on teamplay, not enough on individualism
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>>159563775
there's really not a huge difference between high silver and low plat now anyway. you'd have a hard time noticing by just playing one game with someone.

>>159564652
problem with diamond is it's not much more than above average experienced players. top 10-15% overall is really a lot larger % of regularly active players.

>>159565359
exists mostly as boost prevention, but blizzard is so retarded they let master/gm players run 55%+ win rates. then it's garbage in, garbage out for the matchmaker.

>>159566409
retarded mains are a reason why mmr movements need to be looser. when you make something inviable every other week you're stick people with a mmr black hole on their team.
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Wait, Breez is only 17?
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>>159566776
>Literally nothing wrong with this if you are good

The obvious implication is that they only pick nova without any thought to whether or not she actually fits in the compositions.

>Pro players all specialize in one role and when they play the others they suck

Pro players also don't have to play more than one role because their on a fucking team.

>MMR hell and way to much focus on teamplay, not enough on individualism

Nope.
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>>159552813
Dota is some long drawn out shit which is why people play HoTs.
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http://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-the-storm/vo/vo_hero/Zeratul/Zeratul%20-%20Default/Zeratul_Yes03.mp3

>Soup Dash Salak

What did he mean by this?
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>>159567434
>no thought into if she fits
So what? No one ever puts thought into draft beyond basic we need heals and at least one tank.

>pro players on a team
Still doesn't change the fact that some people are very good at only one role and playing others is auto loss

>Nope.
Not even an argument.
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>>159565359
Don't worry dude, anyone with a brain, or anyone that came from LoL or Dota realizes that, the MMR hell is strong in this game because there is too much teamwork in a pug environment, and it doesn't help that the playerbase is stupidly casual/shitter too

Most of the salty cunts are just plebbitors that shitpost you because they can't downvote here, and autistos who suck at any real moba, so after spending 24/7 of their times grinding on this dead game they think they have some crazy mechanical superiority over anyone because muh ranks when basically anyone with half a brain can master a hero in like 48 hours max
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>>159544606
>>159545042
>>159545373
>>159546670

These are great, especially the Chromie
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>>159567727
>So what? No one ever puts thought into draft beyond basic we need heals and at least one tank.

THAT IS WHY YOU CAN'T RANK UP

If you just follow the lead of retards than you stay with the retards. You have to make a fucking effort.

>Still doesn't change the fact that some people are very good at only one role and playing others is auto loss

You're right. And what does that mean? They aren't good at the game and they don't belong at a higher MMR.

>Not even an argument.

Hey, you're actually right about something. Nice observation.
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>>159567772
>you will never be this mad
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>>159567727
Man, no wonder you are in MMR hell. Everyone needs to know every role unless you are playing Team League. And you DO have to put thought into draft.
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>>159567772
No one is arguing that it isn't more difficult / time consuming to get out of lower ranks in this game. Yes, there is more importance placed on teamwork than individual skill. But if you belong at a higher rank you will get there. It's a pretty fucking simple concept.
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who else would pay for a doom crusader johanna skin?
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>>159568302
I don't get the reference.
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>>159568302
i would pay for your mom faggot lol johanna doesnt need skins she is one of the most boring heroes in this trash game gameplay wise
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>>159565359

>mmr hell exists for silver shitters
>mmr hell doesn't exist for actual GM players

must be a magical coincidence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>159568143
>Follow the lead of retards
I can't choose their heroes and its their right to play what they are comfortable with. The game largely comes down to skill and judgment calls until you get into the upper echelons of play. You could pick the most meta heroes and still lose if your teammates are stupid.

>Pro players are bad at the game
Nice meme.

I can see you are getting quite flustered, but you know its the truth.

>>159568265
No they really don't need to know every role. It's simply inefficient. Every player is known for 1-3 heroes that they specialize in and its in their best interest to pick those heroes.

>>159568291
Why does Reddit keep saying this when its shown to not be true? It's like they just plug their ears and scream everything is fine when its not and its large reason why many will not invest in this game and instead opt for Dota 2 where their skill is appreciated and not as significantly hampered as it is here.
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>>159568631
>No they really don't need to know every role. It's simply inefficient. Every player is known for 1-3 heroes that they specialize in and its in their best interest to pick those heroes.

What? As you said before, "I can't choose their heroes". So you have to know every role to accommodate them.
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sup guys
new to this game and have 10k gold
only have Jaina and Gul'dan, which hero should I buy next?
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>>159568448
It's odd how a shit eater like you hits the nail on the head with that one. Design wise it's a piece of shit hero. You could literally combine most of the abilities like Q, E and even R into a single ability because of their similar design. On their own those abilities are moderately impactless. They should just build the ability set again from the ground up in attempt to bring her up to par with the other warriors.

Changing the trait to just be the level 20 talent by default would also go a long way.
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>>159568991
play the ones on free rotation and buy the ones you enjoy. don't rush into hero league.
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>>159569271
yeah make sure you stagnate your mmr in quick match so you get placed in silver instead of diamond
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>>159568991
In terms of ease and effectiveness:

Tank: Johanna
Support: Malfurion
Assassin: Raynor, Li Ming (Although she will be free in the upcoming promotion if you play 30 games)
Specialist: Gazlowe is fun and easy to win against other noobs
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>>159567772
Yea dude, thats what I noticed spending some time here, this game is fun, and it could have potential but

>Not last hit
Ok, the skipp gap is sure affected, farming is not a high-level skill anymore

>Shared XP
So a feeder, feeds the whole team, and on top of that if I farm outta my mind I won't be able to get a higher level even when I should, that sucks too

>No items
So creating that custom build/optimal build is also drastically more basic too

Like, this game has a cool design, and fun mechanics, but from a competitive point of view it can only be enjoyable if you have a core of 5 man to play, otherwise is just aids, maybe in a team enviroment the game can be rewarding, but otherwise you don't feel like the skill celling is high or you can carry 4 retards like you do in other games
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>>159568991
Don't rush into wasting gold. I assume you're around level 8 right now, definitely play a few rotations before you spend any gold on heroes. You'll have a ton of gold to spend on those you truly enjoyed.

However if you really want to spend it now, I'd recommend going for the ones costing less. There are really good choices in the 2K and 4K tiers. Just be sure to not get the ones coming as a part of the promotion in the upcoming weeks.
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>>159569558
I find the game most enjoyable and rewarding when you are in a pub and people start listening and working together.
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>>159569558
Yeah this is spot on. This game is meant for group play and sadly most people don't ever get into that.
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>>159569271
>>159569409
>>159569562
ok thanks guys
will play some more jaina and try the rotation heros to see which one i like
there's no need to spend the gold now that's true
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>>159568382
I think it`s just an armor set of the D3 crusader
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>>159570057
Strive to get all of the weekly heroes to at least level 5, which is about 4-6 games played, not only for the experience with them but for the 500 gold bonus each time.
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>>159568302
All these fat versions of Blizzard characters.
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>>159570392
oh I didn't know about that
will definitely try to do that
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>>159570392
This is good advice, getting that 500 bonus gold is key when you start out, even nicer if you get a stimpack through recruit a friend
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>>159570829
holy shit look at those huge greaves
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>>159570859
What acc level are you? EU or NA?
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>>159571029
16 EU
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>>159570829
I wouldn't mind if she gave me the cold shoulder
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>>159571218
i came
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how do I make a webm?
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>>159571785
get webm for bakas and some recording software
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Having massive lols from silverfaggets in this here thread who still blame their shortcomings on mmr-hell, teammates and shitpicks.

Seriously? After that french cocksleeve streamer climbed Bronze - GM in 100 games or so, picking bloody Arthas of all heroes almost exclusively?
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>>159572029
I envy this person. Also, Arthas shits on shit players regardless of team.
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>>159571785
i use OBS for recording and XMedia Recode for conversion into webm.
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>>159571947
what's a good editing software for retards?
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>>159572874
I like this one more.
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>>159572029
Dude people purposely lose when they see streamers on the other side plus he probably played in a faggot duo.
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>>159572901
webm for bakas is where you edit your webms baka
a good recording software would be something like nvidia's shadowplay (though now it's called share for some reason)
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>>159573082
>people purposely lose when they see streamers on the other side
Also Blizzard secretly provides climbers with less retarded teammates and causes disconnects to thwart their enemies
>plus he probably played in a faggot duo
Nope, solo. His name is Danatan, vods are availiable on his stream, shit's in French tho.

He's also not the first to attempt such a climb. A certain Russian grill streamer Nostromia comes to mind; she took one of the lowest-ranking EU accounts (used to get ~30 negative personal adjustment even after reaching Plat) and made it to GM in similar fashion, but mostly using Falstad, Zagara and Sonya.
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>>159572029
>Streamer who plays the game for a living grinded his way out
>This means people with stuff to do can do it too

neck yourself my nigger. plebbit logic at its finest here
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>>159573621
Uhh yeah they probably do. They want to dispel the illusion of MMR hell so that people will play this game, but most people are far too smart to fall for it.
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>>159572874
>fog/smoke machine inside frostmourne
8/10 for effort and not turning into an utter slut outfit
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>>159573813
>people with stuff to do
So you play casually, don't want to spend time actually getting good and expect to be rewarded with free rank? It doesn't work that way.
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>blizzcon
>diablo 20th anniversary
>best hero + another wc meme hero revealed
>leak confirmed that next two characters are going to also be wc
diablo babbies on suicide watch how will they ever recover
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>>159573813
t. someone with hundreds if not thousands of games
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>>159574842
they are getting a new character, its in that shit game D3
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>>159574382
I play to get good, I try to take the game seriously, I carry not only my weight, but the weight of all the down syndrome cunts on my team

but not everybody has the time to play +10 games a day just to pass through the heavy-weight impossible to carry braindead cunts you find

Because surprise-surprise, not only finding a game alone takes some time, but also you need to have mental fortitude to not get tilted when you lose games agaisn't people who are infinitely inferior to you
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>>159575414
Game knowledge and judgment seems to the biggest flaw for these people. Mechanically they are ok, but they just don't know any strategy and think Rexxar is good as a solo tank.
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>>159575414
Yes, it is hard to play a team based game and do well. Going on tilt is a skillset, playing with less than stellar people is a skillset, trying to adjust your playstyle for your team member is a skillset.

I don't get your point anymore. It is hard to be a good rank when you aren't willing to play in anything short of completely ideal circumstances including your own mindset and your team members.
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>>159574842
c-cyadea when
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>>159576853
wtf i hate this thread now
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>>159578802
But why
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>>159574842
Next two? We heard only about zuldjin
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>>159580953
And according to Not-Axolotl, Valeera Sanguinar could have possibly been announced but he wasn't "sure how finished she is".
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>>159580521
>>159578802
>>159576853
Can't we just get Baal first? Even fucking Duriel is more iconic to Diablo franchise.
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>>159582524
Baal is irrelevant though.Cyadea was in D3.
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>>159582524
Baal doesn't have tits
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>>159552813
>See this is why your game is going to die.

Do you know where you fucking are?

Either way, go play DOTA or LoL then. The fuck?
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>banner afk
>enemy team picks samuro
>dodge game
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This is a FRIENDLY REMINDER:

VALEERA WILL BE ADDED BEFORE MAIEV AND KT and any of your "literal autism" heroes.

You'll have to deal with it; yes, YES, you will. Sorry.
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>>159578802
>wtf i hate this thread now

Stop being a faggot.
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>>159582426
wasn't it valeera voicing the varian/rag cinematic? can't tell cuz a lot of their female VAs sound so similar
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>>159583319
wtf i hate straight people now
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>>159582426
But she is from hearthstone then, not from WC, lol
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>>159583425
I thought that it was Anduin
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>>159583531
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>>159535217
Nobody cares about Diablo, especially not Blizzard. Holy fuck, man.

>>159535225
With Varian being the "FIRST multi-class hero", I swear to fucking god if they do not make D2 Druid an Assassin/Warrior/Support hybrid, I'm going to be sad. Werewolf for Assassin, Werebear for Warrior, and he can be the first minion/pet-based Support with his animal spirits and tornado shields and stuff.

Giving him his fire-based spells in HotS would be too much fire, as there's already so much fire going on in HotS as is, and more to come. I really think forgetting about that and opting to look at his other spells is the way to go with him.

Fuck, man. D2 Druid and an Elemental Shaman from WarCraft are probably my two biggest wishes right now.
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>>159583548
She's in hearthstone because she's been a character in the WarCraft comics. So, no.

Also, Rehgar is from the comics as well. He isn't some donut steel character.
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>>159583890
guy looks gay af lmao
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>>159584447
>he doesnt want a taste of the werecock
more for me idgaf
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>>159583890
>still expecting them to release anything diablo 2 that isn't shit
>after that fucking diablo 3 presenation that proved that none of blizzard's employees actually played diablo 1 or 2 and get all their info from screenshots and videos
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>>159583890
What about D2 assassin?
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Is the beam build for azmodan a meme? should i just stick to orb sieging?
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>>159586138
Melee azmodan is meme. You still can go beam build in some special occasions
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>>159585712
I feel like the Assassin is harder to pin down because the Assassin used combo points, but WoW Rogues also use combo points, and it's probably likely that Valeera will use CPs.

The only thing I could see them doing with the Assassin is having her Q be a claw strike which stacks a debuff, and then her W would be a kick finisher which scales based on how many stacks of the Q debuff the have on them, with E being Burst of Speed for maybe cooldown reduction and increased speed. Talents taken modify her Q to be Tiger Strike, Dragon Talon, or Fist of Fire which would change the debuff that it applies, and her W talents would modify it to be either Cobra Strike, Dragon Flight or Phoenix Strike, and, again, each finisher would do something different.

Her trait would likely have to lay sentry traps, which are again modified and changed based on the talents she takes. I could see ults being Shadow Image and Blade Shield.

I could honestly see something like thar work. talent tier 1 = Picking Q ability, 4 = W ability, 7 = Trait trap, 13 = E added functionality as it's the defensive tier, and 16 could be an extra added functionality to Q, W, E OR Trait.

Of course up until you hit 4 or 7, your W is just a generic damaging finisher, and your trait is just a slowing trap.
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>>159557891

He's only good as the second warrior on the team, he's not solo tank material still.
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>tfw you're playing like ass
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Zul'jin and Valeera are cool, but I hope we get other characters before them. An extra pair of Warcraft assassins is too much
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>>159590509
>tfw you're not playing like ass and trying to carry but your dehaka keeps facetanking butcher when he has a brand on him
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>>159590642
I can see Zul'jin being a Specialist that deals with Troll poisons and some voodoo hexes.
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>>159591108
That seems more Vol'jin material to me
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>>159591515
Vol'jin was more of a Shadow Hunter who threw spears and used a Flame Serpent Totem. He's, if anything, a bit more on the Shaman side with a bit of Hunter mixed in.
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>Enemy team has Tracer, Zarya, Tassadar, Samuro, Jaina
>Basically Tracer can do whatever the fuck she wants lugging around a 1000 pt shield
>Zoop out whenever she wants

This game is getting more and more cancerous.
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>>159591679
Yeah if it's a good tracer + tass the game is over
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>>159591108
It's difficult to pin down what Zul'jin would be. He was just an Axethrower in WC2, and I'm not sure how they could key his boss encounter into a hero. It'd be weird to just throw some troll culture shit on him, but I'd definitely like to see the Loa spirits under his control for an ult at least.
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>>159592021
t. shitter
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>>159594528
Yeah, that's why they couldn't deal with tracer + tass at blizzcon
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>>159591679
Yeah, I honestly wish Tracer did not exist.
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my first 1% cumback in qm feels good to be trash (we red)
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I have a lot of shekels and can buy a new hero.

When are the newly announced meme characters released? Thinking of just saving up for one of them.
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>>159596542
Varian on PTR on Tuesday, Ragnaros should be end of Nov I think.
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>>159596984
The rep who was sitting with Pallytime at Blizzcon said Varian should be coming a week or so after PTR, and Rag will be in either early or mid december.
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>>159597163
Varian is the 15th. Rag is December 13th
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>>159597163
Oh I thought he was in next week's PTR. Well, fuck.
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The only important announcement at blizzcon was winter lunara
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>>159492407


>>159597945

No. It was this:

>>159583220
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when is lunara going to stop being a broken piece of shit
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Who is the best hero and why is it Alarak?
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>>159598543
>jumps over you

HAHAHAHA
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>>159586138
fucks illidan and is awful against any form of cc, plus less safe than orb

thats about it
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weekend hots players are the reason i fucking drink
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Ok cucks
I just installed this game, and I need to know which "bruiser" type heroes are good to buy.

For reference in League of Shitters I played Renekton/Jax/Irelia
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>>159598362
They didn't announce her at blizzcon did they?
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>be plat trash
>quit hots for a while
>come back and play a bunch of unranked draft
>begin to realize every player in my games is in master/grandmaster league

honest question: did i git gud without realizing it, or is the game so ded that bronzies like me can get into master league?
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>>159570829

I bet she didn't even raid ICC when it was current
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>>159600038
I've noticed a people who played bruisers in LoL seem to love sonya
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>>159600038

Artanis
Sonya
Chen
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>>159600038
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>>159600038
Artanis
Sonya
Chen

Then try out Dehaka, Muradin, and even though e's an Assassin, I think those kinds of players would like Thrall as well.
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>>159600038
A FIGHT? COUNT ME IN!
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>>159600038
Grim Patron Hero when?
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>be away for a few days
>hotsg still alive as fuck
das it mane.

Anything new in dea-I mean alive game?
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>>159492407
im thinking of coming back to this game
did they add a minimap on left yet?
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>>159601558
no
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anyone know which game mode has the highest player pool?
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>when you in qm and they have a double stealth comp
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>>159601740
prob memes
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>>159601740
QM
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>>159597569
Varian is, yeah. Rag isn't.
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>>159600063

Practically confirmed to come after Zul'jin (that is the next one after Ragnarsos.)
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>>159600038
Murky
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>>159603207
anon pls
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>>159601271
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXIkYiahB00

Rag looks retarded as fuck. So do some of the new mounts/skins.
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>>159603302

Retarded how so? Is it because he has no neck?
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>>159603345
Skills are neat. Mostly his "face"
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>>159603345
Not him, but personally I feel they took way too much artistic liberty. I could accept the horns, but the face is completely different. It doesn't even look like him.
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I dont understand why Ragnaros is able to overtake a fort, does he do anything like that in WoW?
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>>159603638
It's a good excuse to allow him to become a giant, because in WoW he's fucking huge.
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>>159603638
In wow we always fight him in a stationary place, he comes from a pool of lava and stands there throwing shit at us
I imagine they wanted that stationary feeling
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>>159603418

Keep in mind when they design the "Nexus" version of heroes, they often incorporate other appearances the characters have had and mash them up. The horns and face were mix-mashed from the WC3 and WoW versions, so that's how it came to that look.

Also he's fucking fire and lava and looks however he wants who cares.
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>>159603910
I care because his face is rather iconic. It's not even that much different, but it's a bit too large, it doesn't have cracks in the same places, and it's honestly a bit too emotive. If a character like Varian had a slightly different looking face, I'd say the same thing.
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>>159603638

The original concept had Ragnaros as a core replacement hero, but the devs said it felt stupid and they scrapped that idea. Forts and keeps were the next best thing and added a new unique form of play they haven't had before, and they wanted to have Ragnraos feel like he was still that giant imposing raid boss that is so iconic from WoW.
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Is Samuro good and/or fun? I wanna be honorabu Burning Blade orcman but at the same time don't wanna blow all my funbux if he's not great.
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>>159604108
Well while Rag taking over forts feels off for me, I guess I should be grateful that he isn't a core replacement. That does indeed sound incredibly stupid.
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>>159604268
Samuro is really good. What the Nova rework should have been, honestly. He is also slightly faster than most heroes and can secure kills on lone runners really easy too.
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>>159604340

It gives a huge advantage when defending or pushing in aggressively during a push or objective.

I like the idea a lot, his whole theme seems to be having a big intimidating presence in lanes, and that's pretty neat. I'll remain optimistic.
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>>159604516
>gives a huge advantage when pushing
How? He sits on his own fort.
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>>159604710

You can take over enemy forts after they've been knocked down. It allows you to push in hard, take the keep, pop into boss form, and wipe em up, continue the push, etc

Lots of possibilities
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>>159604710
While you're on the fort, you have near-global range attacks that do a lot of damage. If you're solo Rag, it'd be a good way to clear the lane if you're getting pushed in, but if you're two in a lane, it doesn't risk you while zoning the other team better than pretty much anyone with his amazing range and wide aoe attacks.
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>>159604786
gott damn, pre nice. lel has something similar as well with Azir (How I remember those faggot's names, I don't know)
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So is Rag a specialist then? Pretty hyped. Some of the latest heroes have been great. Samuro and Alarak have been my favourites in a long time.

>inb4 samuro nerf because pubs can't into auto attacks
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>>159604837
>>159604846

Also has a ton of defensive capabilities, because not only do you get a second HP bar, but you aren't affected by talents or abilities that affect structures, so Sylvannas can fuck off. You can also cast all of your abilities from safely behind the walls of your fort and be perfectly safe during the first several minutes of the game and rain fire from above with his near global range.
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>>159604940

Melee assassin. His "hero" form is also very strong, so he's just a powerhouse all around though his main gimmick is definitely molten core.
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>>159604786
In addition to this, aside from his big Sulfuras swing, he gains MASSIVE range on his W and E abilities, So you can poke/finish people off as they run away from your keep/fort.

Also, he gains a massive health pool when he enters boss form, and this health is separate from his normal health pool, and because he replaces the building when he does this, he soaks damage that would otherwise be spent on your fort/keep. Even damage dealt by map objectives (Immortals, Blackheart cannons, etc.)
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>>159603418

Well, considering the ORIGINAL ARTIST WAS THE ONE THAT DREW THIS MODEL I think is pretty much what he always wanted him to look like. Even more since HotS have better graphics/art direction than WoW.
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>>159605721
>instead of a dark skull with HUGE horns
>he wants it look like a baby that has been dropped on its head
I wonder.
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>>159606127

The original artist also made the version with legs that's in the Firelands raid too.
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>>159606496
>not wanting him like he has a huge kilt of fire and he just drifts around like Kassadin (wew two league references, you love it)
This """artist""" is questionable.
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>>159605236
Does he die in siege mode? or is he just removed from being in siege and then still has the regular hp?
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>>159606687

Molten core form has a separate HP pool and a 100 second cooldown.

If you pop into Molten Core mode with 10%HP, your big self will have max HP, and when you come back out you'll have 10% again.
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>>159606780
So, you cannot be healed in Molten Core mode then

And i bet that Mule also wont work
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>>159607007

Your giant ass HP pool also burns away while your in core mode over 18 seconds I think. Whether or not healing works, I can't tell you.
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>>159606578

Nah, you are nothing but a manchildren that IN FIRST PLACE though that piece of generic shit was "cool". Cringe.
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>>159607531
>rather a bashed baby over a regular fire skull
Speaks volumes about you, anon.
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>>159607639

>muh super dark super on like fire radical skullz with like hornz and mean and bad and like evilzzzz!!!

See now? This is how you look. Also, page fucking 10 you pieces of trash. DED GAME.
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>>159610141
>le edge card
Ok.
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>Tfw months ago we had huge discussion about implementing Deathwing or other dragons in the game
>How impossible would be, specially Deathwing
>There was still anons defending the possibility of a decent DW, or any dragon at all
>Fucking Ragnaros looks like dogshit

Feels good to be right as always

Also multiclass hero seems either overpowered or shit, another bad move by Blizz to make even more shitters to join the game because its ''fun'' with ''innovative'' mechanics, while they spends oceans of money pushing it to a ''competitive'' side

LMAOing at this game

Salty Shitters will defend Blizz
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>>159610438
>there are people that actually think this
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>>159610438

Deathwing is trash, Ragnaros is trash. Who fucking cares?
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thanks blizzard
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>>159583425
It's Tara Platt (Valeera's VA) speaking from Jaina's perspective, since Laura Bailey was unavailable.
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Why is Lunara both ugly and no fun to play.
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>>159611189
They're both neat antagonists though.
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>>159611563
My pings been shit aswell
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>>159611865
That makes sense that it's valeera speaking since her and varian are close friends after they escape the horde gladiator slave place.
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>the only fun and exciting stuff on blizzcon was hots

mixed feelings about this, but okay
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>>159614449
I thought the hots tournament was the most fun to watch too and I don't usually watch those. Fnatic had some great games.
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Time to stop playing ranked, I guess.
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>>159615123
>1:33 am

indeed Steven, go to sleep
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h-hey guys i just opened the game for the first time in months and got this
why did i get this and WHAT DO I PICK help
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>>159616095

pick thrall I guess. He's kinda good. They gave me Uther.
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>>159616095
Thrall, Anub is pretty brittle and works best with another tank or a bruiser.
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>>159616214
>>159616256
th-thanks guys
is illidan still trash? i just wanted to play him tbqh
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>>159616296
He gets shut down easy by alot of prevalent heroes who are in the meta right now.
He's still decent on certain maps where you can get camps like blackhearts.
You can have a good time bullying noobs with him but most people know to not engage until you dive then target you hard.
I find him frustrating to play desu
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>>159611563
would be better as a turn based game anyway.
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>>159618363
haha, I get it, this is supposed to be one of those "look at these old versions of Thing and how bad they fucked up making the new one", well meme lad
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So with Ragnaros release, Butcher is not gonna be the assassin with the biggest in game model anymore?
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>>159616296
he's okay. missed the time before kerrigan buffs a few months ago when he was pretty strong relatively. try chen.
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>Zul'jin
>Not Vol'jin

but why?
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Why the fuck do I keep getting cursed hollow?
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>>159619607
because there's some epic strategy that's going to be executed by new players besides show up for the fucking objective.
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>>159618363
I legitimately like all versions of him.

I love his Master in HotS as well.
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>>159619607
Maybe you are cursed, hence the name
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>>159618363
>what went wrong
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>>159618363
>Faces of meth
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I just played a game after not playing since release. I'm lvl7 and just did 31% of teams damage as Tyrande. Should that happen?
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>>159618363
His new head is actually better
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>>159620573
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>>159620195
Was your entire team composed of other supports and Abathur/TLV?
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>Murky firstpick tells me it's my fault we lost because "Samuro talents shit"

sure thang
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>>159620703
Only other support was that angel girl I forgot the name of and we had Diablo as the only tank.
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>>159601864
>they have a triple stealth comp
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>>159604268
You'll be late buying him, so I'd say don't do it.
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>>159620876
only constant!
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>>159622413
not to mention he's banned 99.9% of the time and only really playable in quickmatch
gonna have to see where the nerf will put him.
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>>159623587
Very overrated hero. When was the last time pubbies couldn't handle a new hero like this?
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>>159623756
The first week the butcher was released.
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Samuro is a joke. I'm in Master and the only thing people don't like is that a stealth hero has the option to also blink. That's it. He isn't bad, but he certainly isn't OP. I'd say an 8//10 at best.
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>>159623756
Li Ming.... oh wait, they still can't!
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>mfw blowing Samuro shitters out of the water as Tracer

She's such a good Samuro counter, lads. I don't even care she's not meta anymore, it's just so fun ruining those Samuro's day with Tracer Rounds.
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>>159623868
honestly, li ming's trait is just retarded and was a huge mistake.
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>>159623993
People should learn to not fucking die. Watch how the pros play.
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>>159623931
>tracer not meta
:))))))))))))))))))

Also Lunara is good against him. Again, Samuro is overrated.
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>>159624186
I wouldn't call her bad but she's not really top pick material to me either. You can slap a Tassadar on her but if you're doing that, you may as well have a proper dive comp with Illidan or Butcher, who do that better.
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>zarya's expulsion zone is bugged and the ult was banned at the blizzcon finals
>fnatic planned to play her more often but couldn't because of the ban
so that's why she was only picked once
anyone know what the bug is?
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Does Zarya have a penis?
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>>159618363
I don't understand, you guys actually want a jackolantern face with bunny horns that go straight up?

The look of the previous model is clearly just due to deficiency of tech.
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LUNARA
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>>159623993
you should have realized people just walk into her to end the game by now
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>>159626951
CUTE
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>>159626951
FURRY
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>>159623859
>the only thing people don't like is that a stealth hero has the option to also blink
So zeratul
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>>159627148
Not that good of a hero and no one can play him very well anyway. He's mostly a "why bother?" hero.
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>>159627219
more like "you need the team comp and learn how to play him" kind of heroe
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>>159623859
>samuro mains are this delusional
that's why he's permabanned in master because he has blink at 13
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>>159627367
>pubs
>good
:)
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who cares about samuro, he is going to get nerfed again in 2 days, and by the looks of it, this time he is going to get nerfed to the oblivion
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>>159627489
They are nerfing his damage, it's probably going to be another nothing nerf like the -100 health "nerf"
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>>159627571
well since most people in blizzcon cry in front of the devs about how op was samuro, im pretty sure this time it will be more than just a nerf to his hp
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>>159627627
Yeah they specifically said he does too much damage. It's going to be another nothing nerf like "3 damage off his auto attack"
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So Zarya is balanced now? She seems pretty fun.

If they don't nerf her again, I'm hype for getting her for free.
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>>159628163
she's okay but she's not a good solo tank
we really need more proper tanks instead of meme warriors
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>>159492407
hey guys, hope you enjoyed blizzcon.
i won't be tripfagging for this post because i dont want to be searchable in an archive, but here are the next 7 heroes that you will see in the Nexus after Varian and Rag:

>Aiden
>Mekkatorque
>D.Va
>Mengsk
>Snake Sanders
>Rohana
>Stukov

i'd list more, but i am not sure they will be releasing after the first 6mo (sometimes things get switched around)
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>>159628234
Maybe two warrior meta is better for the game?

I dunno if they should design characters with the old "1 tank, 1 support, 2 assassin, 1 specialist". It makes tank the most critical role.
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>>159628163
She's really good, she would have been picked at the tournament more but she was banned because of a bug. Fnatic was going to use her a lot more.
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>>159628309
>i dont want to be searchable in an archive
>search "I don['t] want to be searchable" in the archive
Anyhow, did you even watch blizzcon?
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>>159628309
I can confirm this list is not authentic. We've got plenty of surprises post-Blizzcon, so stay tuned for updates for our next In-Development video.
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>>159628570
>so stay tuned for updates for our next In-Development video.
That won't be until like mid-jaunuary
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>>159586138
Beam is overall less efficient than globe if you are not into pushing one lane all game long. It is also hard countered by any form of cc including displacement (facemelt). If you want to fuck up heroes like illidan >>159598767
when he goes in on you just use pool and unupgraded beam, it is almost as good.
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>>159628636
I think we'll get one this week when varian hits the ptr so they can show all the new skins and mounts, since the blizzcon trailer shows each of them for a fraction of a second.
The guy you are replying to is still a faggot though.
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>>159628541
user names are searched for with much more ease
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>>159628636
next In Dev video leaked on asian twitter, it has the christmas skins for Lunara and Zeebo and a snowflake mount
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>>159626118
Stop using this defense. It's fucking stupid. I said in an earlier post that the horns are fine, but his face is entirely different. The actual face part is almost pristine, with some rocks connecting his head to his body. It's not his face. It may as well be an entirely different character because of it. Imagine if they took Illidan, but removed his blindfold, gave him a cocky grin and bright blue anime eyes. That's how I feel about new Rag.
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>>159628421
well there's only really e.t.c., muradin and johanna who are viable main tanks, but tons of offtanks that are shit on their own. they should change that.
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>>159627627
People endlessly complained about Li-Ming for just about as long as they are Samuro, and Li-Ming is still in a good place. Don't expect Samuro to drop much.
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>>159630361
they said at blizzcon that they want to make dehaka into a solo tank, anub should be able to do that too imo
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>tfw new rag is a literal who design
>tfw original and master skin looks like total shit and a huge waste of potential
I knew our memelord would die eventually.
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>>159628163
think they'll just be working on talent pick rate if they change anything. would still be okay if that dinged her a little through that.

>>159628421
i don't think it's so much that double warrior would necessarily be better, more that there's need solo tanks broken for people to do or want anything different. but still it really is stupid to leave tank up to one guy to often fill something important on the players side and ignore that games suck because of it the dev side.
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>>159630461
The thing about Anub is he either becomes the best thing or remains the worst thing. It's really hard to balance him towards other similar kits like Muradin and ETC.
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>>159630461
>let's have ANOTHER warrior with global presence have a kit good enough to solo tank
Fuck no. Dehaka is solid as fuck because he has global, mot in spite of his talents. He doesn't need a buff. I want kinky bugger to get better treatment, because all others are either bruisers or good enough solo tanks, except him. And Stitches, hook is powerful but the rest of him is just too lacking. Though thst's easily solved by letting his gas stack and giving his slam some use before you dump talents on it.
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>>159631109
>Dehaka is shit rn and I STILL keep losing against him, therefore he doesn't need buffs

FTFY
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>"hurr pubs cant handle samuro hes not OP"

When something makes the game unplayable for 60% of the playerbase, you remove it. Like it or not, a game is not balanced solely around the top 2% of players.
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>>159631363
>>159631363
typical blizz attitude

fix 100% perfectly polished assets? lol no that requires work--just delete it!
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>>159631414
>8 second stealth with blink/cleanse AND movement speed buff AND more DPS than Butcher
>"""polished"""
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>>159631517
cry more, bet you'd throw li-ming back on the ban list if Samuro was nerfed to nova tier
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Uh.... guys?

Posted before Blizzcon.
>>>159170464
>>159123716
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>>159631517
bait bait and more bait.

goes to show samuro whiners actually don't make an effort to counter them. i bet you run at him and go "hurrrrrrr i die wow so op"
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>>159631656
ok nice photoshop dude -.-
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>>159631712
The thread is linked in the post.
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>>159631752
yea i dont care....
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>>159631656
omg 4chan guy is back, time to get those sweet karma points!
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>>159631632
there are enough anti mages in the game. Dampen Magic exists.

>>159631704
sure, I should draft an entire team around one hero on the enemy team who has to put in 1% of the effort you have to put in to counter him... while the other 4 players on his team can do whatever the fuck they want. but please, if you're so good, do teach me. I know you're just gonna shitpost though.
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>>159631632
t. shitter who can't win with anything other than blatantly OP heroes, but keep defending your 100% pick/ban heroes
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>Daily to win 3 games
>Game 1
>Lose after a close match
>Game 2
>Leoric feeds because someone picked Nova and spams to report Nova
>Game 3
>Someone times gg in the first 5 seconds and feeds
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>>159631363
Dota does and is far more polished and popular
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>>159632162
Todays quests:
>Win 3 games
>Play 8 games
>end up at 2/3 and 7/8
Bet I wont even win the next one, that'd be just too easy.
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>>159632485
The balance is absolutely horrendous, though. Which is an incredibly important aspect of any """competitive""" game. The balance alone kills DotA for me.
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>>159632536
>>159632485
>it's a 'Dota fanbase gets triggered like manchildren over QoL changes in the game' episode

The Dota crowd is truly horrible. They want to live in this bubble of feeling competitive, even though 95% of the playerbase don't have the right stuff to be good at it. The idea of competitive gaming is a slow cancer upon gaming.
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>>159632536
It's... not?

Almost every single hero was picked or banned last International. And even those that were considered OP like Mirana dropped afterwards in favor of those considered UP like Outworld Devourer
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>>159632701
Even if you ignore "competitiveness", a game should strive to be balanced.

>>159632734
Bait.

Techies alone is a good example. Ruined for over a year and has not been touched since. Look at the changelogs and patchnotes on the wiki. I used to play DotA for years on end and the meta was the top 10-20 heroes every single time. MAYBE top 30 if you include autists who know how to play wonky heroes.

But sadly Dotards will always act as if DotA is some perfectly balanced game when it's far from it. Incredibly frustrating to see. Either you're brand-new to DotA, or you don't actually read/memorise patch notes at all or you're straight-up lying.
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>>159631656
has already been whored for karma on reddit
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>>159631831
I have played Samuro probably three times, so nah.
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>>159632852
Bait.

Techies were never "ruined". L2P shitter.
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>>159632514
might aswell go for coop vs elite ai
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>>159633773
Yeah if you only played to get that quest. I guess I'd rather keep practising against real players.

Here's some statistics, there hasn't been a game where the match hasn't become a 4v5 at some point, even the wins. Abathur, Gazlowe, Nova and Cho'gall have been present in each of the games. Fuck QM.
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Is this from Starcraft?
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>>159634460
Yes
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>>159634460
No.
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>>159634460
Maybe
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>>159634460
Maybe
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>>159633719
>look at changelogs
Yep. Even dotards say they're ruined. See, you're so fucking delusional and genuinely lying every single post.
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>>159634460
Thats Detroit my afro-descendant friend
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>>159634460
I don't know?
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>>159634460
hmm meaybe.... makes u thing... hmmmm
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>>159634873
Bait.

You're using insults instead of arguments.
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>>159634460
Starcraft the Movie WHEN?

fuck that warcraft shit
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>>159635496
>have facts and agreement of many
>vs....one samefag
k :)
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>>159635552
That might actually make sense. Sci-fi shit is on the rise again, too.
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>>159635563
Bait.

The irrational opinions of several bad players of DOTA are not facts. If they are too stupid to play Techies correctly, the problem isn't Techies.
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>>159635704
Problem is Icefraud being incredibly incompetent as usual. And Valve care about $$$ not health of the game.
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>>159626951
SOPPING
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AMANI WARBEAR RELEASED WHEN?
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>>159635615
Yep.

People love big robots and huge disproportional men with cigars shooting AYYs.
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>>159635937
Hello, the bear will hit the game during the first weeks of January.
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>>159636231
Hi, any plans to actually make the game good?
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>>159628457
>bug
What was it?
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Btw if you think Varian is good edition to the game you don't give a fuck about MOBA gameplay. I'd also like to point out the difference in character design of Varian and Arthas.

The reason it's a copout is because there's far better characters that would translate into heroes than Varian does. I just want to point out also that most of the heroes that have been added recently provide no new gameplay style than another.


Here's the last 15 heroes, divided by whether they bring something new or not.


Brings something new:
Samuro
Gul'dan
Medivh
Tracer
Xul
Lunara
Cho'gall
Artanis
Greymane
Zarya

Brings nothing at all:

Alarak
Auriel
Chromie
Dehaka
Li-Ming

Imho: 5 heroes in the last year that bring literally nothing to the game? That's fucking pointless. Chromie for one was a complete waste of a character. Auriel as well. Li-Ming, Dehaka, Alarak should have never been added. They don't do anything for the gameplay meta. (no that doesn't mean pro-scene pick rate meta)
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>>159636596
I hope they mix things up with hero reworks.
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>>159636596
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>>159636596
>Brings nothing at all:

>Alarak
>Auriel
>Chromie
>Dehaka
>Li-Ming

nigga, what?
they have no "revolutionary" gameplay such as abby, chogall or TLV but I am just wondering how you can say that dehaka doesnt bring something new and artanis or lunara do
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>>159636596
>silence on basic ability
>pull shitters around all day erryday
>2 ults and you can take both of them
>character shit talks your team so you don't have to

>>>nothing new
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>try Tassadar taunt for the first time

HOLY
SHIT
This might be the funniest one
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>>159636596
>Alarak
a silence that isn't an ulit
>Auriel
momentum healing based on dmg, literally a lifesteal effect for your whole team
>Chromie
a character that takes part in teamfight by being a screen away from the rest of players, the idea of backline taken to the extreme

I'll give you that Li-Ming and Dehaka are pretty basic mechanically. But Ming at least had good intentions with her snowball trait of teaching shitters to not fucking die. And Dehaka is a global mobility warrior, which means he can not only solo a lane, but also hold it up till the last moment before objective and gank unpredictably
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With Varian being a multiclass hero they need to start buffing older heroes who were basically multiclass like Tyrande, buff her AA build. Or buff other specs like lunara's mage Q build so it's pickable.
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>>159636596
wtf is this retard even talking about? you might as well have just said

>heroes i like
>heroes i don't like
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>>159637920
? ok?
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>>159636596
I live for the moments where this image is appropriate.
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>>159638045
>with her snowball trait of teaching shitters to not play any of the heroes with death-based traits, regardless of how good these heroes performed in regular play

and I don't mean Leoric either.
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>>159636596

How can anyone be this retarded?
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>>159638445
your moms son is that retarded too
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>>159638180
>start buffing older heroes who were basically multiclass like Tyrande, buff her AA build

yes please
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>>159638045
>And Dehaka is a global mobility warrior
ETC already has that with his ult, ming brought resets.
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>>159638597
Wrong, Nova has always had a reset talent at level 20 and Raynor has 2 reset talents. So does Uther.
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I just recently started playing and was wondering if there is a laning meta? Like what the ideal team comp is and what the lanes should be. I hear different things like HOTS doesnt really have one or that it mostly depends on the maps. Is there a general comp though? The tips and tricks links doesnt seem to go over it.
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>>159640556
There is no necessary laning meta. You can get away with whatever you want at the lower ranks, as long as at least one person is in each lane. At higher levels, some maps have a solo laner and a 4 man rotation.

As for team comp, you generally want one solid tank, one solid healer, and one solid damage dealer. After that, it's all preference/map dependent/enemy team dependent.
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>>159640556
It's heavily map and enemy comp dependant. The best teams tend to rotate and roam a lot. It's pretty much not set in stone.

What I can tell you, however, is that on the map Sky Temple, the first objectives spawn Top and Mid so it would make sense to have 2 people on those lanes and one in the Bot one. Meanwhile the objectives are always top and bot on dragon shire.
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>>159640556
Therer should just always be at least one person in each lane so you soak exp. This gets less important as the game goes on and objectives become more important.

Other than that, heroes with good vision, i.e. Lunara, Tassadar, Medivh etc. are good for midlane because you can see ganks coming if you watch the map and use their abilities wisely. Though not one of them is a good solo laner.

Rexxar and Cho'gall are good solo laners. Thrall works really well too, Gul'dan has infinite sustain but is a bit on the squishy side.
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>Abathur, Gazlowe and Nova in top 3 profile
>Master
Who /memes/ here?
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ptr up

http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20344328/heroes-of-the-storm-ptr-patch-notes-november-7-2016-11-7-2016
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>>159640556
For solo laning it's usually good to pick up something that can sustain itself well, i.e. a specialst. Alternatively stuff like Thrall/Alarak that can 1v1 well.
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HOLY SHIT ZERATUL / KHARAZIM REWORK
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>>159642371
>abathur nerfs
ummmmmmm...........hotstards?!!!!
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>>159642325
You could just play a lot of QM with your meme heroes and stick to good stuff in HL :)
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>>159642708
>New Player Daily Quests
>Prior to reaching account level 10, players will now receive a “Play 3 vs. A.I. Games” Daily Quest instead of the “Play 3 Games” quest.

Oh thank -fucking- god I'm save from OW scrubs
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>>159642937
LOL

I love this.
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>>159642371
>trying to bring earthquake back
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>>159630173
Because it is a skull rather than a plate with spooky holes in it?
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>kharazim gets cleanse on 16
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>>159630361
But my point is maybe two off tanks is a better ideal to shoot for than 1 main tank. Also, for a while Chen and Diablo were main tank material.
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>>159642371
Zeratul looks fucking insane now. Vorpal + follow through + wormhole at level 7, plus a base health buff.
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>>159642937
>Place a Spirit Ally that heals allies in a large area around it for 2% of their maximum Health every second for 10 seconds. Has 150 Health. You can Radiant Dash to Spirit Allies. 45 second cooldown.

Is this functionally different to healing totem? Besides the lower cooldown.

>New Talent: Earth Ally (Active)
>Place an Earth Ally that reduces Heroic Basic Attack damage nearby allied Heroes receive by 50%. Has 400 Health and lasts 10 seconds. You can Radiant Dash to Earth Allies. 30 second cooldown.

Aye, a half blind, but teamwide. I'll take it.

I get the overall feeling they're buffing Assassin Monk and adjusting support monk a bit. Though making you chose between instant 150% BoH on one target, and a seriously delayed 150% BoH on multiple targets AND the cleanse is just mean.
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>>159642371
Seems like thrall will be immortal while earthquake is up
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>>159643585
Auriel doesn't have cleanse and she's one of the strongest healers right now, but yeah it's pretty fucking dumb.
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>>159644260
>Is this functionally different to healing totem? Besides the lower cooldown.

No, it's essentially a healing ward you can dash to. We Lee Sin now.
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>>159642371
>Misha now has her own minimap icon

FINALLY GOD
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>>159644260
can you dash to healing wards? if not that's one more thing the spirit has
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>>159642371
>don't nerf Samuro
>nerf Reveal abilities instead

ONE JOB
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>>159644736
i pretty sure the nerf is coming on wenesday, in the live server rather than the ptr
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>>159644378
Enemy heroes, not enemies, unfortunately. Would've been hilarious to solo contest on Infernal Shrines.
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>>159640556
>>159642697
Weird. I can only imagine the change is due to a bug.
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>>159644896
Bug or not, it's a slight nerf.
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>Artanis changes aren't in the PTR.
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>Zeratul talent rework

told you it was coming
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>>159642371
First time PTR, do I get to keep my gold from the normal version, and can I spend that gold in the PTR without affecting my account?
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>>159644807
Hello, there'll indeed be a separate patch later this week.
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>>159645104
you cant use gold on ptr, only real money
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>>159645104
if you spend real money on the ptr the purchases will be transferred on your live account, if you spend gold it's wasted
anyway every hero except for the latest 4 or 5 released is unlocked
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>>159642371
Nothing terribly exciting besides the new Khar and Zera, neither of which I own. But I'll be getting Khar for free, so future me should have fun.

I am kind of hype for the asymmetric brawl. I want them to add it to custom games later.
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>>159645495
For free?
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could earthquake be viable now?
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>>159645306
back to plebit
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>>159645601
It'll be interesting on objective points. Like a passive heal unless those bronzies back the fuck off.
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>>159642371
>Parry (W)
>Parry all incoming Basic Attacks for 1.25 seconds, reducing their damage by 100%.

>no riposte after


just let me play dark souls man

let me parry Illidumbs and riposte them for 900 damage
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>>159645536
The friendship promo thing on the 15th? That includes Khar, right?
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>>159638045
Chromie = Azmodan
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>>159645601
Earthquake was viable before, the problem is Sundering is just so fucking good.
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Haven't played in a long time, is hotslog still the go to for finding a build when I want to level new heroes to 5?
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>>159643060

>Tfw it's actually good now
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>>159645864
Doesn't the Overpower talent kinda do that? You get it at slvl 1.
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>>159645865
Nope. Auriel.
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>>159646290
Damn. I guess I should've paid more attention. I already have Auriel.

I guess all I get is the Mount, Zarya and Ming.
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>>159610438
>>Fucking Ragnaros looks like dogshit
only his face
proportions are quite fine, which is what the discussion was always about to begin with
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>>159646432
Talking about proportions, I wish the heroes had more major size differences. Could +25% and -25% some heroes easily. I don't know why.
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>Monk's Way of Hundred Fist work with trait.

I can see why they moved it to 16.
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>>159646432
They need to change his Ragnaros mount to actually look like he's mounted. He looks no different, just faster.

And dont give me that "its slightly bigger" bullshit. Its hard to tell at a glance, and that's an issue.
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>>159646565
on one hand im pretty impressed by his damage

on the other hand, the `we need dmg` kharazim syndrome is going to be a headache
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>>159646695
But it also works with the other two. With Insight it basically means all of your abilities are up 100% of the time and it puts out a lot of healing with the healing talent. I just wish it wasn't on the same tier as a cleanse.
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cant belive we won this brawl
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Varian's spotilight should come up today right?
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>>159646289
Heroic Strike deals a lot of damage because you do a lot of attacks. Just -one- reset is boring, should've given you two or three stacks of Heroic Strike with Overpower.
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>>159646862
Insight still puts up less healing than Transcendence. It's still shit. Don't ever take it.
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>>159647414
I agree Transcendence is better if you are going full on healing, but you aren't going to take Way of a Hundred Fist if you are going full heal anyway.

Insight is good if you need more aoe healing, though with them moving Echo of Heaven to lvl 16 it hurts that build a lot.
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>>159647837
Insight has significantly less HPS and your W already covers enough AOE healing unspecced. Insight is just shit.
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>>159647414
>>159648147
Tales from bronze
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>>159648147
They did the math, pound for pound with Echo of Heaven and the quest done Insight did more straight up healing. It's just not as good, because you couldn't take cleanse and were stuck with Echo of Heaven.

Transcendence offers better sustain and Insight offered better burst healing.
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These Karazim changes, as if he needed his early game to suck even more. I'm dissapoint.
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>>159648907
They increased his baseline healing and the allies are straight up better then what was on the tier list before. His lvl 7 talents might be a little weak, but not sure. Having another dash or a cooldown on your e that soon might be pretty good.
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>>159647260
I got Morales, Malfurion and Uther on the same team, it was actually fucking hell. They wouldnt give up either. It took them 40 minutes te kill our base. We literally lost because we couldnt hearth for mana. I wanted to give up at the first minute knowing I was about to waste 40 minutes. Actually legit angry.
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>>159648907
All they need to do is swap his Blinding Speed and Cleansing Touch.
That way you focus on having a lot of cleanse by picking both talents while ALSO having that cleanse before the game is almost over. And alternatively you can go Echo of Heaven and still have your Cleanse.

Guess they just don't want a flexible hero to also be really good at solo supporting.

Let's ignore Varian for now, he's new and as almost always overtuned.
>>
>Getting ganked
>Chromie
>Bye Bye!
>Team takes Keep other side of map
>xD xD xD
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>Players can now play through the Tutorial and Battleground Training using three different Heroes: Jaina, Muradin, and Tyrande.
>New players will be able add one of these 3 Heroes to their Hero Collections for free!

More free stuff for newfags. Good for game health, bad for my sodium levels. I wish I was a newfag again to still be able to get any emotions from this game besides butthurt.
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>>159649537
This. I use Insight Karazim from time to time as a nonglobal Brightwing. Cleanse on 16 is fucking retarded.
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Man, Gazlowe even gave me a "noob xarya" for good measure.

There's only so much I can do.
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>>159649907
I think what they are scared of is with Insight his q is almost always up. He could probably just cleanse constantly.

Auriel doesn't have a cleanse and she's considered one of the strongest healers in the game. We'll see how it effects him. The increase to baseline heal should be pretty nice.
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>>159650086
>off tank zarya
>15k damage

he's right you know.
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>>159650086
This silver draft. The fuck did you ban, Morales and Li-Ming?
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>>159650086
>15,000 damage as Zarya.

What?
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>>159650209
QM.

>>159650180
I know he's right. They engaged three times before we got ults when they had ults and then Gazlowe decided to ignore teamfights all game.

Except later, when it is time to soak, then let's charge into teamfights and explode, even though the tank is trying to get a fort back.
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>>159650169
Well Auriel is ranged and have easier time targeting her heals. With potential blind and baseline displacement\stun she brings more utility. Her ult is a somewhat decent cleanse substitue.
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>>159650086
You could've maybe tried keeping your bar high and melting those people. 35k+ damage and a victory would've been easily attainable. But I assume you're a low level Zarya, so yes, there's only so much you CAN do.
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>>159650416
Yeah but Kharazim brings some speed boost, good aoe healing, and sustain and does more damage.

I think what's going to make or break him is how good the Mystic Allies are. I mean Earth Ally looks really good against certain team comps. Especially team comps with Valla or Tychus and the fact it has 400 health means it's harder to poke down.
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>hear there's some changes to gold or something coming soon, don't know the details
>haven't played in like 6 or 7 months
>decide to login and play a bit
>remember I have 2 years stim still active that I forgot about
What a waste of money what was I thinking.
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>>159651769
Wasn't that like 60 dollars for one year?
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So is the ptr open or what?
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>>159651769
I was asking a couple threads ago if anyone still had this left and if they're still playing. I'm sorry, anon. $120 well spent.
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>>159651769
Thanks for keeping the game alive, chump.
Don't let it get to your head, you could've bought meme indie games instead, so be glad you were supporting big shot companies rather than cancer.
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>>159650524
>>159650279
Fair enough, guys. I honestly found it impossible to engage after our early feeding.

And yeah, 15k does seem a bit ridiculous in hindsight.
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>>159651923
No, public test region is a private club, fuck off.
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>>159652314
the R stands for realm you pleb.
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>>159652297
Zarya's pretty much an off-tank, so basically a direct counter to those with less hp. If you play her right you'll keep your team ahead in levels and all fights a 5v4 before they even begin.
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>BHC is so popular that the PTR authentication servers crashed
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>>159652484
Oh sorry, I normally only play good games like Overwatch and that's what R is for there.
I just don't want to shit up those pub matches too much when the massive brunt of Genjifags comes to claim their skin, so I'm here for some practice before the event.
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>>159652854
>i-it's not like i want to play your game or anything, baka
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>>159636596
>I just want to point out also that most of the heroes that have been added recently provide no new gameplay style than another
>Brings something new:
>[list of 10 heroes]
>Brings nothing at all:
>[list of 5 heroes]
you just pointed out the exact opposite. that makes me doubt your cognitive capabilities.
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>>159653089
Oh, but I do. Until the event is over, at least. Don't worry, I'm sure some guys are going to stick around afterwards, you won't be too lonely in bronze I'm sure.
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>>159652707
>BHC
big hard cock?
>>
>ssee patch notes
>Samuro is getting buffed
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>>159653841
Why put a live patch on PTR first?
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>>159653626
big human cock
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>>159652570
ETC and Gazlowe had died twice before first altars. Tyrande died as Atlars spawned. I get your point, I really do, I'm not making excuses, I'm undeniably a trash Zarya with my three games under my belt.

But I still feel as though there's only so much you can do in situations like that.

Also, next game I had a Kharazim go Iron Fists and tell us to kill the healer as he keeps running in and dying to kerrigan, so.

Maybe I should play more Unranked or hell, finish my placement matches. But I can't imagine I'll feel any better being bronze in HL than in QM.
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>>159653841
???
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>>159642371
>buffing alarak
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>>159611189
>Talking shit about iconic characters of the wow universe

Mediocre bait is mediocre
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>>159653940
I'd say stick to QM for a while longer unless you want to entirely lose your will to play. Not that the general QM team is helping at that either.

Then again you've played this game for a long ass time already...
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>>159654849
>>159654849
>>159654849
new bread
migrate whenever
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>>159653841
Love it, the stealth changes are "stealth" buff for Samuro. It's even funnier not seeing him anywhere in the notes other then in the change to stealth.
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>>159645865
explain
what promo
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>>159658812
nvm found it
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