/cfog/ - Classic Fallout (& New Vegas) General

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>>159277391
>How are scribes similar to Monks besides their haircut anyway?
BoS in general is inspired by medieval knights (duh) and A Canticle for (((Leibowitz))).

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Post Couriers!

>>159281807
>E is for America
More like E is for extinct, eradicated, erased, extinguished, eliminated, exhausted, empty...

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Quick, claim your Power Armorfu before somebody else tries to get inside her

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>>159284412

>>159284412
Winterized T51b for that high item HP and durability.

>>159284412
>power armor
Urrgh

>>159284808
>says the shithead who probably thinks that combat armor or metal armor is any good at high levels

>>159285240
>wearing big clunky armor at all
You shouldn't be taking damage at all. All you need is a quick, steady hand and a good gunfu.

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>>159285513
>not thumping around as a walking tank with a massive fully automatic firearm (gun, EW, explosive - all are acceptable as long as they're sufficiently bulky)

>>159285761
Who needs to be a walking tank when you're roleplaying as a Clint Eastwood style gunslinger?

>>159285868
If Clint Eastwood was alive in 2281, he probably wouldn't wear a fucking poncho, that would be equivalent to him using sharp sticks and rocks instead of modern (for his time) revolvers and lever-action rifles. Dress-up based roleplay is stupid, IMO, though if you enjoy it - more power to you.

>>159286587
>power armor isn't impervious to bullets or laser/plasma based weapons
>can be slowed down by EMP based explosives

I'll stick to simple attire rather than strapping hunks of metal to myself. This is why plate armor became obsolete once muskets became a thing. No point turning myself into a big, slow target if a simple projectile is going to do as much damage to me as the guy wearing fuck all.

Maybe I'll throw on a protective vest or combat helmet to protect the valuables, but that's about it.

>>159286868
>>power armor isn't impervious to bullets or laser/plasma based weapons
It's pretty close to.
>>can be slowed down by EMP based explosives
Yes the average fucking raider is gonna have an EMP weapon.

PAs are top of the line, they're just super-rare so an average person isn't going to even see one.

>Still no progress on changing the color of a plasma projectile
Fug

>>159288114
What's wrong with green?

>>159288397
Nothing is wrong with green, I just wanted to make a plasma gun that shot a blue bolt

>>159288496
Blue plasma?! That's.. that's blasphemy!
You're a blasphemer!

>>159288542
Would a sunshine yellow be more acceptable?
Bring the mighty power of the sun in a nice portable gun that murders the shit out of vampires

>>159288589
>sunshine yellow
>murders the shit out of vampires
Gun Del Sol is perfectly fine with me.
I'm not being serious at all btw.

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>>159288673
But I still don't know how to change it's color. Everything else is properly colored, just not the projectile itself
This is all I get in nifskope, all the colors I can find are set to blue, but the projectile is still blue

>>159289089
Green, you mean.
Sorry, I dunno what to say, I don't know anything about making mods.

Ask Xilandro...

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>>159284412
couldn't choose

Anyone knows some good performance mods?
I'm pretty much stuck to my laptop and i want to play Fallout New Vegas so badly.

>>159290652
yup, nvac, nvsr

>>159290652
I heard good stuff about this: http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/45475

>>159290652
4gb loader
nvse
nvsr
nvac

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>>159284412
>get gassed coming into Dead Money
>ohfuck.png
>"Okay, I'll go away"
>ohfuckno.exe

I was legit scared of the Ghost Harvesters until I actually fought one and got told to dismember them. Would have been better to figure out on my own

>>159290652
There's a reddit link that has a list of mods and .ini tweaks, I'm running NV on a nothing laptop, with Windows 10, and it's mostly playable

YEAAAAAAAAAAAH

WHO WON THE LOTTERY?

I DID!

>>159291948
My problem with ghosts was that for zombies caught in rusty suits with visors flashing the vision out of them, the fuckers are perceptive to the point of being near impossible to sneak up on without a stealth boy, and that's in a place where you spend most of the time without armour or any good damaging weapon. There is a number of solutions for dealing efficiently with them, and they aren't that dangerous in any case, but until I figured those out, I walked away from every encounter with crippled limbs and short on stimpaks.

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>>159292857
>>159292904

>>159292967
That's actually a bug

>>159292967
>>159293636
Yeah if I remember right they were supposed to have 0 perception but due to a bug they actually have infinite perception or some shit

>>159292094
Define a nothing laptop

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This is what a non-virgin looks like. What's your excuse?

>>159299142
Fuck Myron.

>>159299142
> Myron and Boone were voiced by the same lad
I'm still mindblown.

>>159299710
What if Myron was Boone's granddaddy?

>>159299929
That would be weird as hell.

>>159299929
Boone was born in 2255, while Myron died in 2242 aged around seventeen, so that would imply that Boone was not just a grandson of a whore, but likely also a son of one. Or of a slave, since who cares about that in New Reno, especially considering that the Bishops winning is canon, which could add an additional layer of his feelings about the Legion…
Brb, writing to Obsidian to make it canon.

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Why does the NCR declare war with everybody wearing power armor and a weapon more modern then a spear.
>Enclave Oil Rig gets blown up
>Suddenly they are a threat to the region despite most people only knowing about them flying around places
>Helios-1 doesn´t have space for 2 factions
>They declare war on the BoS despite them helping against the Enclave
>In both cases their philosophy was leave no survivors

Saving Tandi was a mistake

>>159300432
The Enclave were literal Nazis who wanted to exterminate all mutated life in North America, and the BoS have, since the events of F2, repeatedly proven themselves to be unwilling to cooperate with anyone at all: remember that the BoS is barely a concern in the NCR's questline, while the BoS itself is wholly concerned with how the NCR is doing is whether they can be pushed back from the Mojave.

>>159300691
More of a military dictatorship. I saw no socialism in the oil rigs community.

>>159301303
Get the fuck back to /pol/ and never return.

>>159301606
You mad?

Why is there no good Dalek enemy mod for New Vegas?

>>159301949
> /pol/ shitposter is only able to shit out a meme response
Q.E.D.
Now do get the fuck out.

>>159302091
>shitposting and then shitposting shitposting
this anon is the meta

>>159301606
>>159302091
You should fuck off back to tumblr, /b/ or /v/ where you clearly belong.

>>159302210
>>159302241
This is not your fucking board. You are not welcome here. Fuck off to your echo chamber.

>>159302389
Why are you so frustrated someone think the Enclave is a military dictatorship?
Seriously, you're obviously mad as fuck.
Why?

>>159302493
> /pol/tard doing his usual routine
Fuck off, you dumb shitposter.

>>159302586
You're the only one shitposting.
You got bent out of shape for an accurate depiction of a faction from a videogame series.

What's wrong?
Who hurt you?
Was it a military dictator?

>>159302657
He mad.

>>159302657
>>159302689
> /pol/tards attempting to appear smug
Fuck off, retards.

>>159302716
Seriously anon, I'm honestly asking.
Were you or your family hurt by a military dictator?

It's the only way I can understand you being this mad about the Enclave.
Please help me understand.

>>159302716
If you don't want political discussion then don't bring it up.
Discussing a factions intentions is improved when you.... understand their structure and hierarchy.

Stay mad.

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>>159302878
Fuck off, /pol/tards. There's the whole of /v/ for you to infest.

>>159302909
All you've got is "go away meanies"?
You're not making yourself out to be someone we should listen to.

Besides, I don't understand how someone stating an accurate description of a faction in a videogame means they're from /pol/.
You know military dictatorships have existed long before /pol/ and that many, many people know they exist, right?
They exist IRL right now.
They're not some thing /pol/ made up.

>>159303024
Fuck off, /pol/tard.

>>159303082
Fuck off, retard.

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>trying to reason with a shitposter

>>159303106
>>159303120
You don't even attempt to deny that you're /pol/tards. Fuck off already.

>>159303024
He mad.
Leave him be.

>>159303120
Gotta hold out hope that not everyone is absolutely retarded.
Still, optimism causes me nothing but grief.

>>159303156
I did, but you'd need to be able to understand the English language properly and I highly doubt you can, given your track record.
I'm going to highly recommend suicide.

Seriously, honestly, you need to kill yourself for the betterment of the human race, nigger.

>>159303156
I am also a v/vr/vg/a/f/fa/fit/tard.
Stay mad bro.

>>159303256
>>159303269
Fuck off, /pol/tards.

>>159303283
Fuck off, mutie.
The Enclave has no use for your kind.

>>159303323
Fuck off, /pol/tard.

>>159303256
Do you think the BoS have always been hording control freaks? I always thought of them as chroniclers.
Maybe I missed something from 1 and 2.

@159303339
nigger

>>159303384
Fuck off, /pol/tard.

>>159303372
They're a bit of both.
Still, Vree specifically states that taking down their history isn't as important as her research and production of tech, so it's probably dependent upon the head Scribe as to what's focused on more.
Then you've got Paladins out doing their stuff which is mostly capture-control, so again, it's down to who's calling the shots.

Elijah was all about getting new tech to make better tech, but McNamara was all about hiding and waiting until they could go out and learn new things.
Leadership is important.

>>159303515
It does appear that what happens is dependent on the leader and the general idea can be interpreted differently from leader to leader. That give some leeway in how the faction can be used.
I suppose some leaders could use the actions of past leaders to justify things if they really needed to. Kinda like a court.

>>159304218
>I suppose some leaders could use the actions of past leaders to justify things if they really needed to. Kinda like a court.
Exactly, yes.
That's called 'precedent'.
It's actually what you can use to McNamara removed from his position of Elder.

>>159304272
I would prefer a set structure of their beliefs, however the pliability is useful and is just another means of developing ideals.

>>159304849
>I would prefer a set structure of their beliefs
I've been waiting for them to release a full, hard cover print of the Codex for a long time now, anon.
I feel you.

Under Bethesda though, it's never going to happen.
They're not going to go out of their way to make canon to disregard in the next game and there's too much effort required to create the Codex for such little profit.

>>159293070
They don't attack him for some reason.

>>159307568
Except for when they do?

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>>159304942
Wait, does that make BoS a military dictatorship? lol

>>159308854
What do you mean?
How does the Codex make them a military dictatorship?

>>159308908
I don't mean the Codex I mean the military origin and ranking system adopted because of said origin. Though it could be more of a twin dictator thing like with the scribes kinda separate from the paladins though still of the same faction.

>>159309251
They're all still lead by the Elder and, in some cases, a council of Elders.
Elders retire and transfer their positions to other members and, while you can't break the chain of command and they are a military, many Brothers do have a say in what's going on instead of one person calling all the shots, so I wouldn't call them a dictatorship.
Honestly, they're closer to a democracy than a dictatorship.

>>159309341
Fairly worded.
Military is a form of governance so it is a military (government).
To say they have a say in what happens is to say they can give suggestions. They can make suggestions to the High Elder or Elder council, however in the end they have the final word. If someone disobeys orders they are outcasts and deserters.

>>159309914
>They can make suggestions to the High Elder or Elder council, however in the end they have the final word
Yes, but the High Elder confers with the Elders or the single Elder confers with his trusted associates, it's not just a one man show.
A dictatorship requires a dictator.

>If someone disobeys orders they are outcasts and deserters.
The same could be said for most governing bodies.
And higher-ups having the final say is present in every system.
It's just how things work.

>>159310041
I should have clarified that I dropped the "dictator" part.

The level of freedom is in question it seems. Though I more freedoms in a democracy than I would if I joined the military. I would have freedom to come and go as I please, were as troops are ordered off base.

anyone know where i can get a copy of resurrection Dead edition? the mod?
link for reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ODXsf-qTPY
@ 6:25

>>159310484
>I should have clarified that I dropped the "dictator" part
Now that I look back, I see you did drop it.
My bad, but it's still nice to discuss the good Brotherhood.

>The level of freedom is in question it seems
Oh, of course you'd have very little freedom, but there's many reasons as to why it's not such a bad thing.

The wasteland is a fucking shithole.
Not being able to run out into a desert filled with things trying to kill doesn't seem to bad.
Essentially every aspect of your life is taken care of down there, you've got food, water, entertainment, firing ranges, etc.
Hell, drugs aren't banned either. Although I assume there'd be issues with Jet.
This ties into the wasteland being dangerous, but if you die out there, you're not easily replaced.
They can't just fill some fatigues with a conscript and call it a day, they have to wait for someone else to grow up.
Then there's losing your PA, Energy Weapons and whatever tech you have.

>>159310610
Wrong thread, faggot.

>>159308416
Maybe it's a bug, but every time I go at that location, he's alive.

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Excuse me, sir.
Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Saviour, the Chosen One?

Any superfags here want to argue about lore?

>>159314047
>superfags
What did he mean by this?

>>159314184
I'm still a little shocked about what happened yesterday, so I want to internet fite someone.

>>159315125
Probably going to regret asking this, but what happened?

>>159315235
Nothing important, but it still gave me NMA flashbacks.

>>159240579

>>159315529
Ah, you were the idiot who got pissy for rambling on about something he knew nothing about.

I don't know why you'd want to bring up an old argument like that.
The only reasoning I can see is that you're still angry for people treating you like the idiot you are, but you somehow think you 'won' and would 'win' again this time with your "lmao nerds" attitude.
Now honestly, am I wrong?

For those who have CaliberX, what exactly does it do anyway? Are there any particularly good mods that require CaliberX?

>>159315654
haha, that was you? Let's fite about the intricacies of Fallout.

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>>159315810
No, it wasn't me.
I just followed the reply chain from the post you linked and the only one who would try and bring that up again is some kid who thinks he needs to continue a fight for some silly reason.
That's literally one of the most childish things you can do.

Grow up.

>>159316054
For real, though, I'm still tickled at the thought that there are people like you outside of NMA who give a flying fuck about what someone does or doesn't do with their time in a video game. You sound like just the kind of nerd I was looking for.

So, you want to fite about some lore or what? Start with something inconsequential. Bring it!

The only time I've ever done a Legion run, I did so by being a sneaky "frumentarii" and avoided front confrontation as much as I could.

However, is a full blown Legion run interesting to play? I've been thinking about doing a melee/explosives character, using no chems whatsoever (including stimpaks and radaway) and removing degeneracy whenever possible.

Still wondering if I should play vanilla or at least bring in Jsawyer and Alternative starts. I've never actually played this game full vanilla.

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>>159316293
Again, grow up.
You're acting like a child.

>>159316421
>I've never actually played this game full vanilla.
That might just be your answer.

>>159316424
Throw me a bone, anon. I'm bored.

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>>159316575
Then play one of the games.
Instigating internet arguments is no way to spend your time.

>>159316421
I've done several Legion-type characters. For the most part, it's pretty boring. There isn't much content for them outside of their main quests. Anything else you would do would literally be playing like any other type of character in the game, and it doesn't really make sense if you look at it from a Legion perspective. It's pretty well known that a lot of Legion content got cut for time, so they are not nearly as fleshed out as they should have been.

>I've never actually played this game full vanilla.
This is the only way I play this game. Not a big fan of huge game changing mods. Sawyer's mod is interesting, but can be quite annoying with the carry weight changes and tendencies to one shot you unless you're wearing heavy armor... though, I suppose that gives heavy armor a reason to be used, unlike the original game.

>>159316647
You're no fun.

>>159316881
>hairy deathclaws
Hairesy.

>>159316881
fuck off furry

>>159317034
Tell that to Chris Taylor.

>>159317108
Who's that?

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>>159316881
Hairy deathclaws were a mistake.

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>>159317162
Probably the guy who created the Hairy Deathclaws.
Do you not have any reading comprehension?

>>159317239
I think they would have been better if the had feathers, ala Jurassic Park 3.

>>159317358
>Do you not have any reading comprehension?
No?

>>159317358
They're mutant chameleons, not fucking dinosaurs.

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>>159312680
Didn`t you mean the Vault Dweller?

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>>159317408
No, they're turtles you stupid faggot.

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>>159317408
Makes more sense for them to have feathers than hair.

>>159317462
The Chosen One actually had interactions with the intelligent Deathclaws, I assume that's why he said "Chosen One".

I've come up with a neat idea but I need some info from your knowledgeable autists, google gives me contradicting information:

I know crippled arms reduce your weapon accuracy, but do they reduce your unarmed/melee damage?

>>159317502
Lakelurks are the turtles fagbag

>>159317526
Maybe so, but still less sense than spines or nothing at all.

>>159317528
Spawn something in and test it.

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>>159317528
In New Vegas?

>>159317604
>Maybe so, but still less sense than spines or nothing at all.
Of course, but feathers would have been better received than hair which is what I was getting at.

>>159316421
I'm role-playing as an NCR born and bred citizen, who obviously attacks the Legion on sight and helps the NCR whenever possible. When you play like that though, going from camp to camp and settlement to settlement, you see a lot of huge issues with the NCR. So my Courier is going to turn when he meets Caesar (who is charismatic as fuck and has a stronger postnuclear ideology), and will independently (because Legion has lmaonoquests) go and assault NCR camps and undo all the other good work they previously did for the NCR (and probably their companions along the way).

Basically your typical badass Guns / Speech charismatic soldier or cowboy build.

It's really fun aggroing settlements you've built up for some reason, I might have a God complex or something

>>159317673
Yeah, in New Vegas.

I was thinking about speccing into Eye for an Eye (+10% damage per crippled limb) and run around with two crippled arms, possibly a torso for +20/30% damage.

Accuracy would be pointless to me since I'd run around throwing bombs and hacking people with a chainsaw, held by with my mouth. But if crippled arms reduce melee damage, there isn't any point of doing this.

>>159317979
My first run (and the one I've enjoyed the most) was played similarly to yours. First I sided and helped the NCR up until I was liked, then disheartened by their several flaws I gave the Legion a chance since I admired their effectiveness.

But I ended up flipping sides one more time to House, since he was the best player in the field. I'll proceed and do my full Legion run now, and I can tell the hardest part will be killing House.

>>159318331
You could just use a shotgun.

"A crippled right arm also reduces base melee damage done by 10% if wielding a one-handed weapon. If wielding a two-handed weapon (or unarmed), one crippled arm reduces base damage done by 5%, two crippled arms reduce base damage done by 10%."

>>159318620
Well damn, I think I'll do an explosives/energy weapon run. Explosives for long range, and a flamethrower for whatever gets too close.

Eye for an eye would be neato for this build, running around with 2 broken arms and a torso as well. Accuracy is pointless and the damage penalties won't apply.

>>159319102
Sounds pretty good, maybe let us know how that goes.
I've never even considered using it, so I'd like to hear what it's like.

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It is already canon that the Vault Dweller became a Brotherhood member. Then why don´t they idolize him. He was the only one to go into the Glow and come back alive and still fertile enough to have a child.

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>>159319562
You're completely right. Maybe he's somewhere in the archives. He should be, since they hardly let anyone join around that time.

>>159319562
Source?

>>159318523
I've done a straight Yes Man run and this one, although I've got hundreds of hours I always restart before I finish. I'm not letting it happen this time; I've planned the trajectory of my whole quest from start to finish so I won't burn out. Dead Money is getting on my nerves though, the Ghost Harvesters take a full clip to put down, spot me from miles away and deal bulk damage. Once this is done, I'm doing Lonesome Road, nuking both factions (because I've never seen those new locations before) and then entering the strip to meet House and get my reputation wiped clean before the great NCR purge.

Ive never felt bad killing House, he's so fucking arrogant that I'm fine with taking him out. I think his body loses heaps of limbs no matter how you do it though; it's quite excessive. I went for a tasteful kill in my last incomplete playthrough and he fucking exploded all over the place, it was jarring.

>>159320185
Fallout 1.

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>>159320185
>Not reading the Vault Dweller's memoirs
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Vault_Dweller%27s_memoirs

>>159281807

So I scored Fallout 2 from a bookstore for about 5 bucks last week, and I played until my companions all disappeared due to bugs. Can anyone tell me how to download the unofficial patch on Windows 10? I can't seem to find the correct directory.

>>159321896
Original CD version, BTW, not the Steam version.

>>159321896
>Can anyone tell me how to download the unofficial patch on Windows 10?
>Windows 10
I have no pity for you.

Besides, a small amount of googling will give you your answers.

>>159322312
I don't get it.

>>159320762
I know about that, but I would argue that he doesn't actually join the Brotherhood, only that they gave him the quest, he succeeded and then received some aid and information on two occasions; the initial meeting and before the assault on the Military Base. That is far and away from being a member of the Brotherhood, not to mention that instead of returning to them after being exiled, he wanders off like an idiot into the wastes for no good reason whatsoever. If it weren't for Fallout 2 being released and expanding the story, it could easily be safe to assume he just wandered off to die because he had nowhere to go. It really makes zero sense that, after being forced to leave a life of post apocalyptic luxury, that he would choose to start a tribe instead of being welcomed as a hero to the brotherhood. That part of his story always bothered me, and could definitely be used as an easy excuse to start some coherent plot mechanic for the sequel that wasn't even considered a possibility during the development of Fallout (anyone, even developers, who say different are just hedging - Fallout was never a for-sure thing, especially after the fiasco involving GURPS).

>>159316881
Intelligent deathclaws were the biggest mistake.

>>159322312
To be fair, we didn't have cats ANYWHERE until 4.

>>159325128
There was a girl in Fallout 2 who said she had a cat until it got eaten or w/e.

What mods I use to make gunplay nice?

>>159325498
There is (or rather, was), a donkey in Fallout 1. I suspect there maybe the odd surviving creature out there, but for the most part, we really should accept the established canon of horses and cats being extinct.

No idea about wild, big cats. If coyotes and wolves and survive in some unaltered state, I suspect cougars, bobcats and lynxes are probably around somewhere.
The panther in Vault 43 doesn't count.

>randomly dropping dead in Dead Money
>not enemies, not the cloud
>mfw it's the buffout wearing off
>mfw no more healing items
>use Dean's Martini to boost my health
>scramble for more supplies

DM is sort of bullshit if you don't know what you're doing.

>>159326056
You can get stimpacks from the vending machine thingys
I had a ton of trouble with the DLC until I found this out too

>>159325901
The differences between horses and cats is that the devs explicitly confirmed horses, along with similar animals like donkeys, were 100% extinct, while cats were never confirmed by the devs to be extinct.

Indeed, both Avellone and Saywer have said at one point or another they don't understand why cats were stated to be extinct.

Given that no dev has confirmed it, and multiple devs have questioned it, and that the only sources for cats being extinct are one idiot wastlander, and a man who hasn't left his tower for 200 years, both of whom live in the deserts of the American west, were cats aren't common in the first place, i am pretty certain cats are still around in large numbers in more friendly environments like the Midwest, east, and south

>>159322927
He started the tribe cause other Vault 13 members left the Vault after they heard what happened to him. So why wouldn´t he start a village with the people of his Vault. I doubt he would like to go to Brotherhood where you get rejected by every girl just for being a outsider.

>>159326056
dead money is really the best dlc because of that imo. the scavenging aspect i just loved.

>>159326274
The only issue I have with domestic cats surviving is that they have no known food source. All smaller vermin have either died out or mutated into being bigger than the cats themselves e.g giant rats and molerats.

Dogs are fine as pack animals because collectively they can bring down a brahmin or a bighorner, and, when times are tough, dogs are technically omnivores so they can get sustenance from basic vegetation. Cats, domestic or wild, are carnivorous.

Like I said wild cats I'm sure have survived somewhere. I hope so at least otherwise the next Fallout games, unless set on the west coast, are going to have nothing but ravens and wild dogs, considering everything else needs rads and FEV in order to mutate.

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>>159322082

I'm sorry, I just got through the installation, but now I've got the "couldn't find/load text fonts" issue.
Googling the issue told me to change some things on the cfg file, but I don't know where to connect them to.
This pic shows my cfg file.

>>159325901
>wolves
I could easily see them just assimilating into the wild dogs gene pool so that they'd be one and the same.
Makes sense why all the wild ones are so vicious and look to different to properly bred dogs.

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>>159326765

And here is where I sent the programs to.

>>159326717
>considering everything else needs rads and FEV in order to mutate.
Wrong.

Avellone dismissed the airborne FEV mutation idea back in the Fallout bibles, and no Fallout game since has used it.

As it stands

FEV
-Super Mutants
-Floaters
-Centaurs
-Intelligent Deathclaws
-Mutant Hounds
-The Master
-Harold

Genetic experiments
-Cazadors
-Mole Rats
-Deathclaws
-NightStalkers
-Wannamingos

Radiation only
-Ghouls
-Radroaches
-Mirelurks
-Brahmin
-Bighorners
-Geckos
-etc. etc.

>>159326903
I think that's down to engine limitations.
>>159326981
But hasn't the Bible been dismissed as non canon at this point?

>>159327578
Yes, but it's still a good guide.
It's more semi-canon like Tactics. Unless it's stated otherwise by something more prominent, it's fine.

>>159327578
>But hasn't the Bible been dismissed as non canon at this point?
No, Avellone said the bible was non-canon because he felt like Bethesda shouldn't feel obligated to follow it.

BEthesda have said they used the bible when making Fallout 3.

And Fergus Urquhart, Obsidian's CEO, listed it alongside other source docs they gave to Bethesda.

Both companies consider large parts of it canon.

Also, both Fallout 3 and 4 take place in areas where it would have been impossible for FEV from West-Tek t have reached, even if it was thrown up into the air, and yet still feature mutated animals.

Wehats more is that Fallout 3, NV, and 4 all treat ghoulifcation as the result of radiation + a genetic X factor(as stated by the Fallout bibles after Avellone said FEV wasn't involved), and not radiation + FEV

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>>159326981
That means we could have a Fallout game in Europe. Only without Super Mutants. Heck we could jut say Europe also had their own Vault-ish system to save humanity. Might aswell give them their own Enclave only that we call it EUclave.

>>159328137
Europe is a massive hellhole so utterly destroyed and lawless people come to the post-war remains of America because its a better life.

>>159327957
>>No, Avellone said the bible was non-canon because he felt like Bethesda shouldn't feel obligated to follow it.
That's such an Avellone thing to say and do. Fuck him.
>>Also, both Fallout 3 and 4 take place in areas where it would have been impossible for FEV from West-Tek t have reached, even if it was thrown up into the air, and yet still feature mutated animals.
I'd say that's more a fault of Bethesda getting things wrong more than being allowed to pick and choose what is and what isn't canon. I would say I agree with you, but considering the other things Bethesda have gotten wrong, I'm sticking to my guns.

>>159328137
See this is what I mean. By removing some of the liberties you are effectively allowing stupid shit like this to theoretically become possible and valid.

>>159326717
>All smaller vermin have either died out or mutated into being bigger than the cats themselves
Geckos and squirrels still exist, but that's engine limitations are work again.
And that's only what people eat as well.
Birds are all over the place and they're largely unchanged.

>>159328482
>I'd say that's more a fault of Bethesda getting things wrong
While its fun to shitpost about everything Bethesda supposedly got wrong, the FEV theory simply never made sense in the first place.

FEV makes everything it mutates that doesn't reproduce asexually, sterile.

We can clearly see that post-war mutant animals can in fact reproduce, meaning, FEV could not have been a factor in their mutation, even back during Fallout 1/2.

>>159328550
>Geckos and squirrels still exist, but that's engine limitations are work again.
That has nothing to do with engine limitations, as both could easily be shown.

Them not appear is the result of budgetary limitations if anything.

They are too small to be worth modeling/animating, like normal sized ants.

>>159328550
>>Geckos and squirrels still exist, but that's engine limitations are work again.
Actually forgotten about squirrels. Geckos you can dismiss though because those things could easily rip apart a cat.
>Birds are all over the place and they're largely unchanged.
You say "all over the place" when really you mean "we've seen some ravens". Again it's probably down to engine limitations as to why we don't see anything else.

I feel like cats if they survived the initial blast, fallout and nuclear winter, would have probably become basic fodder. Dogs have uses outside of just being reared for food; cats, not so much.

>>159328962
>Again it's probably down to engine limitations
I sometimes wonder if people actually know what the term engine limitations means.

>>159328849
>as both could easily be shown.
They literally weren't included in 3, and by extension NV, due to engine limitations.
I don't have a source right now, but I'm fairly sure it's on the 'Making Of Fallout 3' DVD.

Sure, they're possible in 4, but as you said, it's not worth it.

>>159328962
>I feel like cats if they survived the initial blast, fallout and nuclear winter, would have probably become basic fodder. Dogs have uses outside of just being reared for food; cats, not so much.
Nigger, cats are predators just like dogs. They can survive just as well, and in fact are much more annoying than a feral dog.

What helps with roleplaying in New Vegas? I always think of a basic background for my character and try to pick perks and skills relevant to that but end up min/maxing or doing the same things over and over again. I usually end playing by the time I get to New Vegas because the story starts to branch and I can't make a decision which faction to choose.

>>159328849
I guess you could be right. Radiation doesn't work AT ALL like our current understanding of it, to the point where you can buy over the counter "rad-away and rad resistance" drugs. You could make the case that airborne FEV, e.g. smaller, overtime doses, could help retain fertility to some degree. Super Mutants after all were dipped in the stuff, as were Centaurs.

>>159329047
>They literally weren't included in 3, and by extension NV, due to engine limitations.
No

>I don't have a source right now, but I'm fairly sure it's on the 'Making Of Fallout 3' DVD.
I've seen the video, and recall nothing of the sort being mentioned.

>>159329154
>No
If you say so.
I know it's literally a fact, but sure.

>>159329115
They can survive sure, but for what purpose to post war society do they offer? Vermin has died out or has mutated into being too big for a cat to handle. Dogs were domesticated for more reasons other than "they can survive" anon.

>>159327957
>both Fallout 3 and 4 take place in areas where it would have been impossible for FEV from West-Tek t have reached
Why do you all believe that Mariposa/West-Tek has to be the only possible source of FEV?

The Enclave owns the Vaults, and if anything creating a supermutant factory on the east coast to establish a supersoldier army sounds fairly logical, you'd have one on each side of the United States.

>>159329145
>I guess you could be right.
According to Tim Cain, the original intention, as he designed, was that it was radiation only, as per 1950's scifi tropes.

It was Chris Taylor who inserted the idea of FEV being involved in Fallout 1 because he wanted a "logical" explanation to where the mutations came from.

Avellone was originally on Taylor's side, then switched to Cain's, and Bethesda has gone with Cain/Avellone, and Fallout: New Vegas goes with Cain/Avellone also.

>>159329043
>only a few locations where we find animated birds
>they are in groups of 3 or less
>it's only ravens
Engine limitations.

>>159329306
Most domestic dogs are damn near retarded, anon, that couldn't do shit without a owner. If you're going to start any type of farming community, cats are pretty damn handy at clearly vermin.

>>159329124
rules anon
rules rules rule
set up rules that your character follows.
ie: don't sleep till you see and kill benny
sleep with a prostitute every 3 days
if your character sees an atrocity from caesars legion, drink. stuff like that.
>>159329115
cat's would probably thrive in cities or wooded lands but not in the dessert or wasteland in general. plus, everyother animal has a mutated version. what did cats mutate into?

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>>159329232
>it's factual because i said so
Yeah sure thing kid

>>159329419
>it's only ravens
Are you talking about Fallout 3/NV?

BEcuase Fo4 had ravens and radgulls

>>159329559
No, it's factual because I know I've read or heard it straight from Bethesda.

Still, you followed the same logic.
>it's not factual because I said so
Fuck off, cunt.

>>159329431
I have said in like four posts or whatever "what vermin?" but okay. I know cats have a usefulness now, to some extent, as clearing out mice for farmers, but when all the things they hunt suddenly become 3 times bigger than the cat that hunts them, it renders their usage redundant.

I know a lot of domestic dogs are retarded, but dogs are going to be infinitely more useful in a post apocalyptic environment than a cat. Two of the media which inspired Fallout features dogs as the aid of the main character, namely "Mad Max" and "A boy and his dog"

>>159329402
You could easily solve this by just saying radiation doesn't work, for whatever reason, in the Fallout universe the same way it does in our universe.

>>159329591
Not played 4.
>radgulls
Urrgh. Something about sticking "rad" in front of something just seems so lazy. It was fine once with rad scorpions, but now it's getting stupid.

>>159329795
>You could easily solve this by just saying radiation doesn't work, for whatever reason, in the Fallout universe the same way it does in our universe.
Its never worked like it has in our unvierse, that has been stated since game 1.

>>159329664
>I have no source
>i-it's factual guize!
>y-you do the same thing!
I can also claim that Malaysian officials said that Flight MH370 was hijacked by aliens in mid-flight, that surely must be true!

/cfog/, what's better for restoring cut content to New Vegas, Outside Bets or Uncut Wasteland?

I've already got Outside Bets installed, but I just found out about Uncut Wasteland and 'm not sure if it does more or if it's just the same thing.

>>159329969
Ah, you're just that kid actively seeking to start an internet fight.
Okay, have fun, but I'm done.

>>159326212
where is the pick-up for it? I thought it was an odd omission. I'm using water, buffout and Dean's Sierra Madre Cocktail in between finding holographic vendors and stashes, which means my health regenerates real slowly and drops off 60 - 75 points at a rate I can't accurately track

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>>159330085
>makes an unsourced statement
>someone asks for a source
>doesn't have one (probably because it doesn't exist) but still claims it's a fact
>someone concludes that it's bullshit
>"HAHA KID EPIK INTERNET FIGHT XDD"

>>159330017
Both. They cover different things.
You might as well get every NV Uncut mod apart from the Betsy one. The default Betsy mod is far too bare bones, but luckily someone has made their own version using the lost code.
http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/59265/?

There is Mission Mojave as well, which so far is the only mod I've seen which has gotten the Sheriff Meyers scripts working 100%. It does add a lot of unnecessary bloat though beyond bug fixing, and has been known ironically to be a buggy mod itself.

>>159330380
To be fair, I did watch a behind the scenes video on Morrowind once where Todd stated it was built with the Xbox original in mind as the key platform. I can remember ranting to someone about it but I've not been able to find said video since.

>>159330539
>it was built with the Xbox original in mind as the key platform
So consolefags ruining vidya is not a meme after all

I guess this is why we got this New Vegas/Freeside abomination in the final release.

>>159329795
>I have said in like four posts or whatever "what vermin?" but okay.
Broc cave

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>>159319202
Thanks, anon. I'm currently redownloading New Vegas so I can't start just yet.

I've finally figured out how to do this run, I'll run around with crippled arms/torso (eye for an eye bonus) and using a flamethrower for close/medium range + whatever explosive weapons I have for long range. Probably will spec hard into Luck for criticals as well, gotta boost flamethrowers damage somehow.

I'll also turn my character into a socially inept autist, my intention is to fail every speech challenge and deal with the consequences, whatever they might be. The only speech challenges I'm allowed to pass are science/medicine related because these are the only subjects my Courier can talk about without dropping his spaghetti.

For the crippled arm/torso thing, I'll roleplay it as if I was a weakling nerd with osteoporosis or some shit who chose weaponry that requires no aiming simply because he lacks the strength to hold them for long periods.

I can feel this will be a fun ride.

>>159328849
>FEV makes everything it mutates that doesn't reproduce asexually, sterile.
Where'd you get that idea?
Because it's wrong.

Where's the link for the nearly playable Van Buren?

>>159331308
The demo?

>>159331385
Yeah. Shouldn't it be in a Pastebin with a shedload of links?
Brotherhood of Steel (XBOX) was a big mistake.

>>159331478
>Brotherhood of Steel (XBOX) was a big mistake.
And PS2.
Somehow a lot of people forget that.

I didn't think it needed a link considering it's only a quick google away and it's really barebones.
It's not something you'll go back to play again and again, just every now and then when you need to feel sad about what could have been.

>>159327957
>Both companies consider large parts of it canon
Because large parts of it were clarifying stuff already in the games.

>>159331164
Giant rats.
My point still stands.

>>159331647
I've been playing Fallout since release year and dunno why I ever bought FALLOUT: Brotherhood of Steel for XBOX. Was a big mistake.

>>159331937
I've not gotten around to playing it yet, but I'm picking up a copy on the PS2 for $10 mostly just so I have something to play when I really feel the itch for Fallout but have burnt myself out on all the good ones.
Who knows, I might even like it.

Fuck this, I'm TGM-ing through Dead Money

I'm lost, crippled, have 3 health with no healing items, and just set off the gala so I'm surrounded by Ghosts. I'm not having fun.

>>159332063
Interplay replaced Nuka Cola with Bawls drink, Slipknot or whomever instad of old-timey music. I don't even want to play it again, let alone emulate it.
Tactics is far better.

>>159332257
git gud
Seriously, just find the stimpack code.

>>159332264
I might just emulate it, actually.
I've got a good enough computer.

>>159330184
In the Sierra Madre Clinic, on some table, I think one the level with the Auto-docs? Check the wiki if you want a precise location. You should've found it before the code to Buffout, IIRC, but I might be wrong.

>>159332257
Puuuusssssssssaaaaaaaaaay

>>159331231
>Where'd you get that idea?
Its eplxcitly stated in Fallout 1, and every other Fallout game.

The only FEV mutant that has been shown to reproduce were the intelligent deathclaws in Fallout 2, which even Avellone admitted were a mistake.

>>159332341
Oh, buoy. Just get the ISO from EmuParadise.me at your own risk.

>>159332535
>which even Avellone admitted were a mistake
That doesn't mean they can't breed because they can.
You said "everything" and that's wrong.

>>159332657
No no he admitted Intelligent deathclaws as a whole were a mistake, not the FEV breeding. That's why they were all killed off.

>>159332632
>at your own risk
Emuparadise is risk-free.
Only problem is their slow as balls servers.

>>159332257
>just set off the gala
Then you should have a Super Stimpack code...

>>159332776
I do mean at your own risk because FALLOUT: Brotherhood of Steel is treated as though it doesn't exist for very good reasons. It's that bad.
Obviously EmuParadise is fine.

>died with tgm on
I've really fucked myself

>>159332341
Where is the stimpak code? you'd think if it was as integral as it seems to be that they'd have directly given it to the player

>>159332872
Yeah and not enough chips to buy one. I've been using the vending machines for ammo and scavenging health stuff until now

>>159333562
It's in the medical center.
You know, somewhere you'd think you'd properly explore considering you can use the autodocs to remove sleep and heal you, along with being out of the cloud.

>>159332776
Just watch this trailer. I personally think pretty much everything Bethesda did to Fallout was garbage, but even I would not put that piece of shit above any of their crap. The only positive thing about it is that, ironically enough, only the most dedicated FO fans even remember FOBOS exists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-Xs1tm-9-U

>>159333562
>Stimpak
>Villa Clinic
>On the right side of the desk directly in front of the entrance.
And you really shouldn't be hurting for chips. Seems like you aren't exploring very well. Also talk to Christine for the perk that lets you make fake chips. And you can find codes that allow you to sell stuff like clothes etc. to vending machines.

>>159331889
No it doesn't, you fuckin' dope.

>>159334469
Are you telling me a domestic cat could kill a giant rat?

>>159333449
Ah, of course.
My bad.

>>159334025
That does look fucking dreadful.
I understand what they were going with the design/thematic/audio changes, trying to appeal to a different demographic and all, but it really is no surprise that this is a large part of why they lost Fallout.

>Decided to side with House this playthrough without knowing he would make the courier exterminate BoS.
>Spent most of the playthrough with Veronica as companion, and completed her questline
Don't know what to do here, it wouldn't make sense for the Courier to just exterminate BoS, after doing majority of their quests.
NCR or Legion isn't really tempting, and as my last playthrough was Independent Vegas killing Not-at-home isn't really an option either.
Should I just kill Veronica and pretend I never knew her?

>>159285868
The Man with No Name wore a thick metal plate under his poncho in A Fistful of Dollars.

>>159335056
Nah man don't waste her.
Sacrifice her for Beyond the Beef

>>159335171
And yet not one person thought to shoot him in the face, arms or legs.

The poncho clearly has +10 luck on it.

>>159335171
Yup.
Ever seen Duck, You Sucker! aka A Fistful of Dynamite aka Once Upon a Time the Revolution?

>>159334936
Do you actually believe that in a fantasy world where all wildlife is mutated to abnormal sizes that there wouldn't be cats and they wouldn't severely fuck up a big rat?

>>159335487
Stop moving the goal posts.
>all wildlife has mutated
Nope
>to adnormal sizes
Again, nope. Brahmin and the Radstags are the same size as their old world counterparts.

I was talking specifically about domestic cats. Not mutated cats. Not even wild cats. If you had any ounce of reading comprehension you'd have seen it clearly in the 5 or 6 posts I made on this.

>>159335452
Once upon a time in the west is the superior western imo.
A few dollars more is the best of the Dollars trilogy.

>>159335904
I've all of Sergio Leone's films on Blu-ray. Except no Colossus of Rhodes and Once Upon a Time in America. Have two releases of The Man with No Name Trilogy.

>>159335425
They didn't know he had armor. And how accurate do you think Old West revolvers fired from the hip were?

>>159336284
They were shooting from the hip? Ramon's men had a good distance on Joe, so there was no need for a quick draw/shoot from the hip. Ramon himself had a level action rifle on him.

>>159336865
How common do you think limb or headshots actually are in real life?

There's a reason that pretty much every method of professional instruction in shooting to kill focuses entirely on torso shots, throughout the history of firearms.

(Cue disingenuous arguing over some police forces in Europe training in limb shots here)

You're a fucking idiot. You know, I think there are medications for retardation. Check with your gynecologist next time you get your pussy looked at.

>>159337945
To this moron;
>>159335904

>>159337945
Wrong thread?

>>159337945
>>159338115
Ah nice. So you've gone from trying to figure out an argument to straight up abuse.

I think I won this one then ;^)

>>159338427
Don't kid yourself. You won't let your stupid be argued with.

Howdy.

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Let´s discuss the Enclave and why they were the only right option for America.

>>159345771
Sounds like Primm wimped out and accepted NCR rule. Some people will do anything to feel safe.

>>159345853
Okay.
They're not.
Discussion over.

>>159345853
House is the best option for America. He's the only one who isn't motivated by greed; greed for money, land, power, normalcy, etc. He is the only one with vision and truly wants to see human race succeed as a whole.

>>159348331
>Actually believing shit total crock of shit
what a sap.

>>159348331
>isn't motivated by greed
>is the kingpin of the gambling capital of the world

>>159348559
Anon, please.

>>159348860
House has everything he needs. Being in charge of New Vegas is inconsequential and was ultimately just a stepping stone to accumulate the resources and power necessary to achieve his vision, no different than any other faction vying for power. Shit can't be done with your bare hands, especially if you're practically a vegetable only being kept alive by your brilliant advances in science, and also dealing with the entirety of humanity fighting for their own ideas.

Examine all the factions and tell me which one has a better plan for the future;

Brotherhood of Steel: Nigger, please. They only care about hoarding and, for the most part, are lead by racist old men.

NCR/Enclave: Fighting to recreate the old world system that brought down civilization to begin with. Absolutely retarded. What the fuck makes them think they could do any better? They are lead by the same type of incompetent people that started the war, and are actually just as warlike.

Legion: I don't buy the idea that once Caesar is dead the Legion would collapse, but I do believe that it would fall in to the hands of people that don't share his ultimate vision and would just take power for their own ends. In theory, his idea is actually pretty similar to House, it's just more violent, but ultimately lacks the resources, and intelligence, that House possesses.

Even The Master's plan was overall better thought out than most of the factions you have to deal with. His goal of uniting everyone under one ideology (or, in this case, one race) would actually eliminate a lot of the problems the wasteland faces, maybe even for the better. His one major flaw was somehow being convinced that super mutants were sterile, which apparently wasn't true if you listen to Marcus in Fallout 2.

In short, the only one, alive, that has a solid plan for the future other than just winging it as time goes by is House.

>>159350247
>Anon, please.
>House claims he want to help humanity
>Literally spent over 100+ years after waking up form his coma doing literally nothing to better the people of Vegas
>Only did something because the NCR showed up
>Had they not, the people of Vegas would still be nothing but tribals throwing rocks at each other like before House uplifted them.

>>159350247
Wasn't enough room, but seriously, anyone who thinks an independent Vegas lead by (you) is the best possible scenario is just another greedy cunt.

>>159350482
Did you even listen to House explain his plan? Did you go through his dialogue trees? He has everything mapped out. The NCR showing up just forced him to accelerate his plans, and he still needed the platinum chip to establish himself in an area overrun with violent tribals. Not only did he manage to get them to stop fighting and raiding, he civilized them and the surrounding area. All the problems you see in New Vegas were because the NCR showed up and brought that with them, and all of them throw a bitch fit when you mention the NCR.

>>159350247
I wasn't debating that House isn't the best, because he is.

But to say he isn't motivated by greed, or at the very least, that is one of his reasons for doing what he does, is absurd.

>>159350247
>if you listen to Marcus in Fallout 2.
how people can not realise that's a joke is beyond me

>>159350832
What exactly about him gives you the idea that he is motivated by greed? I already pointed out that you can't do jack shit with out money, and that Vegas was merely a means to an end. House literally everything he needed to live his long uneventful life in his baby tube, totally out of touch with the world around him... if he wanted to, but he didn't.

>>159350964
Source

>>159351158
Not him but

http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Fallout_Bible_0
>FEV causes sterility in some creatures. FEV does cause sterility in super mutants and ghouls - Marcus' comment in New Reno was a joke only (and it was an inappropriate one, for which I apologize for)

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>>159351746
Ok, well, whatever. The argument is still the same. I've weighed the evidence and House is, without a doubt, the best choice.

Great Leader and Eternal President of 7 Regions, King of the Gamblers and Tribesmen, King of New Vegas and the Mojave, Father of Securitrons and the One True King™ of the Wasteland.

Eat my dick.

>>159351746
>in New Reno
Also, Chris Avellone is a confirmed retard.

>>159281807
The Enclave doesnt recruit though

So when attempting to load a file makes NV crash to desktop means the file is permanently fucked, right?

>>159353914
>the guy who brought us Lonesome Road is a confirmed retard
We knew this already.

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>>159350247
>Enclave: Fighting to recreate the old world system that brought down civilization to begin with. Absolutely retarded. What the fuck makes them think they could do any better? They are lead by the same type of incompetent people that started the war, and are actually just as warlike.

Why do people still believe this meme it wasn´t fault of the old system it was the fault of communism. You know what they say.

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So I was reading shit on the wiki lol and saw that pic related is apparently the Enclave Air Force's symbol, but does anybody know if or where this actually shows up in the games?

>>159358030
Enclave confirmed British fascists?

>>159357569
Right, and being a vocal and hostile opponent of a different ideology definitely isn't to blame.

>>159359254
Does that resemble a British symbol or something?

>>159360720
British union of fascists.

>>159355529
I mean they kinda do, just not into their army. They recruit wastelanders for their """"workforce""""

>>159335904
>domestic cats. Not mutated cats. Not even wild cats
It's actually pretty easy for a domestic cat generation to go wild. Cats have easier time surviving (maybe not in Fallout) than domesticated dogs. Not like you should abandon your pets, of course.

>>159350247
>Even The Master's plan was overall better thought out
No, Master's plan was retarded. If you want to "repopulate the Earth" with new species, the literally first thing you should check is their reproductive capabilities.

>>159365579
So he made a mistake. Big deal. You make them every day.

Howdy.

>>159371306
>No Victor companion
And to think he is so helpful. He saved my ass when I tried running north into the Cazadores.

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>>159371512
>go to sleep near Goodsprings Source after Barton tried to trick me
>get woken up at 4 am by Victor saying that I should be more careful

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Any tips for a first playthrough on Sawyer's mod?

Hardcore On/Off, SPECIAL points, etc.

>>159374416
>Hardcore On
Yes, of course.
>SPECIAL points
Strength becomes more important.

Tips? According to Josh, he balanced it for Normal difficulty. It's possible to play it on Very Hard, but you probably won't have very fun times when your character's HP is significantly lower than vanilla and VH enemies are as bullet-spongy as ever. So, I would recommend at least starting with Normal.

Your collar is emitting a high-pitched beeping noise.

>>159374416
Also which level should I start the DLCs on?

And where the fuck is the Vault 13 canteen?

>>159375391
Fuck u dead money u got some disgusting ass gameplay, but the story game ridiculous

>>159351746

>and it was an inappropriate one, for which I apologize for

Cuck'd

Howdy

>>159329923

But they're trying to stick to the old "FORMULA" anon. They thought you'd like it.

>>159371512
>>159371916
That's his actual personality too; not manipulation by House. You can ask him to help in Ghost Town Gunfight and he'll solemnly agree to help, talking about how it's necessary to run off troublemakers. He won't be active for the gunfight, and a Science check will show you he was remotely shut down.

He genuinely wants to help; House turns him into your stalker and stops him endangering himself even though he'd do it otherwise.

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Well, /cfog/, are you a pro?

>>159329795
There is nothing preventing cats from occupying a different ecological niche. Surely, everything else seems to have gone buck-fucking-wild with where they fit in the natural order of things. Cats, with their aggressive reproductive rates, ought to be no different.

Their utility to humans is kind of irrelevant.

>>159380650
Something something Mojave something Nuclear winter

>>159357569
The Old World System means the entirety of the Old World: the East-West dichotomy, the neocon/lib (pick your fucking poison, they mean the same thing) obsession with having an opponent or enemy, the aggressive expansionism and internationalist intentions of both communism and global capitalism, the arms race, the relentless race to find new and intricate methods of control.

Even if they're not explicitly at fault the Enclave still fights to bring back a notion and ideology with its roots deep in the blind aggression and single-mindedness of the Old World. They have nothing to offer in the New World other than pretty tchotchkes for would-be fascists to fawn over.

>>159386321
It's an objectively strong weapon

>>159386321
I'm guessing they were a bunch of retards who couldn't understand the concept of the people they punched exploding and kept hurting/killing themselves.

>>159386381
In a post apocalyptic environment, an animal like a cat would serve a lesser purpose, same as most pets which serve a purely companionship purpose. Not to say they aren't useful, but pest control is the least of your worries when most pests have grown to be the size of dogs and cattle.

Sure somewhere they could, in theory, be alive, but before people start rearing them as pets again, they'd have to survive, and frankly, a solitary animal which has little to no food source would be very unlikely to live.

And as I have said time and time again during this thread, wild cats, like cougars and bob cats, would do well, as they are more inclined to be pack animals.

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I just finished all the DLCs for the first time.

>Honest Hearts
Honestly (no pun intended) I didn't like the DLC at all. Joshua Graham is fucking great, Desert Ranger set is my favorite armor in the game and the whole DLC might have been more fun for me if I put some points into Survival, Melee and Unarmed.

>Dead Money
I really enjoyed it, even though I can't imagine playing it on the Hardcore mode and/or without investing points in the Science and Repair skills. Atmosphere, characters and the story are great.

>Old World Blues
Not quite what I expected. I thought that it's going to be a 2deep4u science themed DLC with cliche philosophical questions about what makes us a human bean. I got campy comedy with an interesting "twist" at the end and some really repetitive missions involving searching for dumb upgrades, running the same test five times and sneaking around a ruined building.

>Lonesome Road
It was fucking terrible. I finished it a couple of minutes ago, the DLC took me 2 hours and 4 minutes. Ulysses was just a whiny baby, giving the Courier a pre-9mminthehead backstory wasn't really a good idea and the whole confrontation was shit. Also I couldn't care less about E-DE.

DM > OWB > HH > LR

>>159387865
>>159386381
>>159365396
I'm getting sick of the petty, pedantic arguments occurring in this general over minor elements of the lore. It's not anons trying to understand developer intent, it's anons fighting over their headcanon and reaching an impasse more often than not, which drags the discussion into stupid semantics. it's detrimental to the general, because you won't find a clear answer and you'll autistically turn a simple musing into a fucking argument that nobody cares about and have a two person back-and-forth that nobody else wants to read.

Ideological discussion generates discussion, but it seems a lot of anons think that because there's no real clear answer to which faction is best, they should bicker over everything.

This cat argument is only the newest one, however. Every time I check this general there's some new pointless squabble, and it's severely reduced my participation, because I heave to browse through retards to find actual enjoyable, community centred discussion.

>>159389818
I mean, you're not exactly countering the arguments by intensifying it with this little speech.

This sort of discussion wouldn't exist if weren't interested in the world the developers have created. Is it our fault that there are inconsistencies? Of course not; we are just trying to figure out what is what. Yeah there is some headcanon involved, but without anything set in stone, there is going to have to be. Do you mean to say we are not allowed to speculate beyond what is presented to us?

>>159388796
You are very nearly spot on. E-DE's extra story in Lonesome Road isn't that bad and I'd argue it's what saves it. LR is still the worst of the bunch though by some considerable margin, even more so in retrospect giving Avellone's latest escapades.

>>159388796
I've replayed all of them for the first time in ages (except LR, which is up next) over the past week, on hardcore with jsawyer and a few other mods. I entered all of them with the Explorer perk, if you care how I gauge how much exploration I did.

>HH
Nice exploration, some cool loot and characters. I like the isolated atmosphere, where you speak to about 3 people outside of the actual tribal villages. Exploration is good, and the quests aren't obnoxious. Ended up uncovering every location.

>OWB
Coming in at a high level, I cheated somewhat and bought two companions into this one (I've got Unlimited Followers, which only sent two of my four away for the DLC, so it was unintentional but really helped in my opinion). The wacky science atmosphere felt a bit off, but at the same time the map design was cool and it felt foreboding. Enemies were a serious threat, which made the back-and-forth travelling alternate between constantly engaging and aggravating. I liked the side story in here with Christine and Elijah, and the loot was great. LAER, Stealth Suit, cool perks, and a cool player home. I originally disliked it because of the wall of text you face at the start, but I can see it being enjoyable again when I next play and know I won't be talking to anyone until the end of the DLC. Found almost all the marked locations, mostly because I got sent everywhere bit I did check a few of the other non-compulsory locations.

>Dead Money
I posted last night about how I TGM'd through it. Missed the stimpak pick-up and auto-docs. In hindsight, the lack of resources and the rate at which I was getting fucked up reduced my willingness to explore, which made everything harder. Working around the security holograms was tedious, and the amount of hazards (reduced sight, the cloud, the cocktail recipe taking your health, and traps) led to too much frustration. I just raced from checkpoint to checkpoint. I suspect DM will be better on a replay, when I know how to play.

>>159391789
And, the highlight of all the DLCs is the ending slides. They all give me the chills. Something about leaving these isolated locations to a rather empty future, and hearing about your effects on people. Parts of the main ending do the same for me but that's a big world, so it feels less impactful.

>>159392039
>playing HH for the second time
>first time since it came out; want to give it a proper run after I skipped half of the DLC last time
>sided with Joshua
>During the midnight raid on the White Legs, the ending slide music kicked it
>watching the Sorrows and Dead Horses butcher the White Legs never felt so somber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=730jXH_Ni7Y

>>159387251
well said

>>159389818
also well said, but unfortunately a worthless waste of time

>>159355529
>>159364807
Luke (is it Luke? The guy that asks you to go to Navarro) says the chosen one could pose as a new recruit, or maybe a new arrival. At any rate, they probably do recruit on some level, it's just not mentioned how. I have a hard time believing that everyone at the Oil Rig and beyond is all part of one vault bred over generations. There's just too many of them to let that fly.

>>159397758
My guess is they pull recruits from the vaults they visit. Children maybe, or adults that are willing to throw their vault under the rug for their own ends. Perhaps the security forces had some sort of underhanded indoctrination when serving their vault in that position. Technically, they're still government employees. There also weren't very many Vault 13 prisoners on the Oil Rig. Maybe they killed them or used them in experiments, but it's never said, so I think it's just as likely to suggest some were recruited.

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poor guy i kind of feel bad for him

>>159398373
wasn't experimenting on them the main reason they took the people in vault 13? A pure human control group for the FEV experiments?

>>159329464
>what did cats mutate into?
It's never mentioned. If an iguana could mutate into a deathclaw, and a bear could mutate into a yao guai, mountain lions or pumas should definitely be more than capable mutated killers. If rats are mutating to a larger version, you have to believe that cats could also do the same. Strangely, a lot of the dogs are still fairly normal in size and appearance, which would suggest that the developers weren't exactly consistent with their designs when considering the environment all of these creatures grew up in.

>>159398864
Where is this? Or is it a mod?

>>159398887
Rings a bell, so maybe it is possible they were just killed off, but there are a lot of vaults out there to pull from for that. Killing all of them for some convoluted plan seems like a terrible waste of resources.

>>159399119
It's from the Dead money horror Overhaul mod.

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>>159399040
This discussion is stupid
>If an iguana could mutate into a deathclaw
That didn't happen
>and a bear could mutate into a yao guai
Literally just a slightly larger bear with fucked anatomy
>mountain lions or pumas should definitely be more than capable mutated killers
They already are in real life?
>If rats are mutating to a larger version, you have to believe that cats could also do the same. Strangely, a lot of the dogs are still fairly normal in size and appearance, which would suggest that the developers weren't exactly consistent with their designs when considering the environment all of these creatures grew up in.
Where do I even start. The giant animals are drawn from 1950's pop culture, and are culturally considered pests (insects and rodents). The normal sized dogs are taken from 70's and 80's post-apocalyptic fiction, so there's an aesthetic decision to keep some animals (namely pets and livestock) relatively normal. In terms of lore it can be anything from humans keeping dogs as pets, and breeding out mutations, to the simple concept that the radroaches and giant rats replaced their original species because they developed beneficial mutations - maybe dogs didn't develop any beneficial mutations. You could even argue that the rough size of the animals is considered the survivable average - roaches and rats are the size of small dogs or cats, and at that size they are big enough to defend from certain enemies, and simultaneously are small enough to keep themselves fed.

We can combine all this information to determine that cats, from the same lore and aesthetic angle as dogs, would not get mutated. We could argue in favour of them developing beneficial mutations that would overtake the base species, but that is never discussed, and so we'll take a Schrodinger's Cat approach to that, and say that we can't know until we were shown in Fallout 4 what was implied in Fallout 2

>>159401851
>This discussion is stupid
I guess that makes you stupid.

Howdy

>>159407420
Get moving, profligate.

>>159350247
>lead by racist old men

Racist old men, running the Brotherhood of Steel! A NEW AGE!

>>159407420
Degenerates like you belong on a cross

>>159388796
>DM > OWB > HH > LR
Exactly.

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What the fuck causes this and how do I fix it.
I've seen this before in another playthrough but it was a different language, french I think.

>>159421563
What mods do you use?

>>159424503
none

Patrolling the winter wasteland almost makes you wish for a nuclear Mojave

>>159429079
why

Do you boys recommended i get new vegas on PC just for mods or should i get FO4 when it's on sale becasue i haven't played it yet?

>>159429375
Buy New Vegas, pirate 4.

>>159429416
Fair enough, i haven't pirated anything before but that season pass looked disgusting.

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>>159424572
You're not me you faggot
>>159421563
Here's my load order, I can't think of any thing that could cause this though.

>>159424503
Fug this is for you
>>159430495

>>159429590
>season pass
Some games do this now. Battlefield does it, too. It's just a flat price for all the expansions that come out in the future, versus paying whatever they cost when they are released. The deal is better, but you're still paying for shit that may not happen, so...

>>159431637
This is also assuming you even like the game you buy and play, which is up in the air for most people when talking about Fallout 4.