/cfog/ - Classic Fallout (& New Vegas) General

First for Yes Man

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I'll try again here
Is the jacket and shirt good for a Joshua Graham cosplay?

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Hello friends I just uploaded a new version of the Vulpes companion mod, has a bunch of new dialogue and a This Machine that says ''Well this machine kills Profligates''.
Use it to kill Profligates today!

http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/56596?

>>158879736
Looks like it could work good enough, Need some gauze for the wraps, the most expensive thing from his outfit would probably be those snakeskin boots.

>>158879978
>implying the people at the halloween party would know the difference
Aside from that, would blue jeans work? Dont have black ones

>>158879947
>Nexus servers ded af
what a surprise

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>>158880221
>halloween party
NORMIES OUT

his jeans look pretty blue to me anon

>>158879947
BASED

>>158880221
>halloween party
Enjoy being called a mummy famps

>>158880642
It's my brother's party, he wants me to go because
>no gf
And he thinks I could get one there

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Is goodsprings cemetery haunted?

>>158880950
I can tell you right now there won't be a gf worth having at a halloween party, might find a whore to fugg though.

>>158881865
You don't know what kind of party it is.

If its a classy affair with tasteful costumes then its prime territory. If its a bunch of women using it as an excuse to dress like a slut and get drunk then might as well just skip it.

NCR is shit

>>158881865
>find a whore to fugg
Well, there's always that chance

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>>158882215
Facts

>>158882186
>If its a classy affair with tasteful costumes then its prime territory.
I wasn't aware those still existed

If Obsidian ever gets to make another Fallout, do you think they will have a rifle called, "That Machine"?

House is also shit. Legion are beta who can't get laid

>>158882585
Yes Man is a cop-out and a retard-proofing mechanic.

House > Yes-Man >>> NCR >>> Legion

>>158882724
Every ending sucks. Game is a piece of shit.

The Enclave are literally the master race

>>158882585
I hear the men mount each other

>>158879736
Do normies actually know who Joshua Graham is outside of that one quote?

>>158882940
they are so beta that they can't get laid, so they have to mount on each other.

>>158882976
Dont think so
>>158882186
I'm chilean, so you know that there is degeneracy

>>158882778
House >= Legion >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes Man > NCR

This is the only correct order, to dispute this you'll have to make another funny meme picture like >>158882348

>>158882976
Normies don't know what Fallout is besides 4.

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>>158883178
>House >= Legion
>Legion that high

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>>158883361
Of the NV factions, only House and the Legion offer feasible long-term plans for humanity.

Reminder that being a citizen in Legion territory is a comfy af life, the enslavement of tribals and those directly opposing the Legion is a necessary means to an end.

>>158883178
>Legion is a meme
I'm glad we agree, anon.

>>158883817
>lead a life as a farmer on my humble farmstead
>never heard of the legion
>an army approaches one day
>some guy in a whacky armor just kills my brahmin because it stood in his way
>get enslaved with my whole family
>legionfags will defend this

>>158884076
>get enslaved with my whole family
Again, unless you're a tribal or have been directly opposing the Legion, doesn't happen fampai
I agree that Lanius is a cunt, the Legion is far from perfect.

being a slave to Legion and getting cuck by Caesar must be the best life ever.

>>158884416
Lanius will run the legion into the ground once Caesar is gone

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>>158883817
>long-term plans
>a faction that is meant to end as soon as Caesar dies
>legionfags unironically believe this

>>158884416
>ignoring legion kidnappings
>"i-it's just people who oppose!"

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>>158883817
>long-term plan
>legion
>Caesar letting a guy whom even he himself considers nothing more than a glorified attack dog in charge in case of his death
>plan

>>158884828
You really got to hand it to Caesar for being so good at brainwashing that even players unironically think he's the best.

>>158879947
Does he have a JIP CCC avatar?

>>158885195
only a beta would think Legion/Caesar is the best

I'm beginning a game of New Vegas. It's the second time I start one, and I didn't finish the first one.
I've wanted to make my character have above-average Charisma and Perception, but later heard they are useless. Should I do it anyway for roleplay, or would I just cripple myself for no benefit like that?

>>158885195
>>158885424
>inb4 "y-you have arguments so you just call us betas, m-muh ad hominem!"

>>158884560
True. But from his dialogue it's obvious that Caesar has no intention of actually letting Lanius be his successor. I agree that it's stupid for Caesar not to have appointed a successor even if it's pre-synthesis, but then again the only way for Caesar to die is by player intervention, and the player can do almost anything so that says nothing. I think he simply hasn't truly considered the possibility of dying before the synthesis is complete.

>>158885123
There's no reason to assume he'll die pre-synthesis without player intervention. If the Courier doesn't side with the Legion he gets his TOOMAH fixed without him, after all.

Again, it's far from perfect, but it's better than NCR/Yes Man.

>>158884560
>>158884828
>>158885123
>literally arguing that a faction is bad because bad things happen after the player fucks it up
this is like saying picking house is bad because the courier can kill him

>>158886252
Caesar is not immortal. Even if he lives at the end of the game he will die of old age one day or may be assassinated as well.

The point is, Caesar is the only one capable of holding the Legion together and the faction will inevitably collapse once he's gone.

Why does every thread have to turn into this? Just pick the faction that suits your character, not what YOU think is the best.

>>158885861
Assmptions don't matter, what matters is that Lanius is even remotely considered for the position despite Caesars own opinion on him (hell, he outright says he doesn't care about the army he is leading)

But even that aside, Caesar can talk about "m-muh synthesis" all he wants, it doesn't change the fact that he is a manchild who throws temper tantrums anytime someone even mentions his failures, seriously considers the guy/girl who can constantly throw a spanner in his plans an ally, doesn't uphold his own rules in regards to advanced medicine AND genocides entire neutral communities because the previous Legate screwed up.

Does that sound like a guy with a decent future plan to you?

>>158886252
It is a serious concern since it regards the future of the Legion. And honestly, if you are so arrogant to think that you don't need to spend time for a potential replacement in case of your untimely (if unlikely) death on the fucking FRONT of a war, that doesn't sound exactly very much like forward-thinking

>>158886809
Tell that to the pseudo-intellectuals shitposting about "m-muh house/m-muh roman"

>>158886809
>actual roleplaying
>when you could be shitposting about this and that
You're dumb.

>>158886516
>Caesar is the only one capable of holding the Legion together and the faction will inevitably collapse once he's gone.
Why? I really don't get this ''everything will collapse when he dies'' argument you keep hearing.
99.99% of Legionaries have never met Sallow. Most have likely never even seen him; it's considered rare for him to be walking among the troops. They worship the Caesar, not Sallow. There's no real reason to assume everything will disintegrate just because a new Caesar is selected, assuming he isn't completely incompetent (read: Lanius).
Autocratic regimes don't collapse just because the leader is succeeded.

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>>158883178
>>158883817
>>158884416
>>158886252
>>158885861
> all these fucking losers who only support the Legion because they think that they'll magically end up near the top of the food chain
You're fucking pathetic. You are afraid of democracy because you know that you're too weak to succeed in a system where you don't have an unfair advantage, which you won't get in a fascist system any way. I wish I know where you lived so I could come to you and humiliate you in your own homes and watch you accept it like the spineless coward escapist weaklings you all are.

>>158885579
Its easy enough to raise SPECIAL stats (to an extent) by the mid game. Go with whatever feels right for the character.

>>158887380
> Autocratic regimes don't collapse just because the leader is succeeded.
THIS IS PROVEN COMPLETELY FALSE BY HISTORY DOZENS OF TIMES OVER. STOP REPEATING THIS VILE LIE.

>>158883817
>5 INT

>6 ST, 5 PE, 6 EN, 4 CH, 4 IN, 5 AG, 5 LK

>>158887541
>I wish I know where you lived so I could come to you and humiliate you in your own homes and watch you accept it like the spineless coward escapist weaklings you all are.
lmao are there even enough fedoras in this world for you?
Anyway, I'm fairly certain people supporting the legion think they'll end up as one of the non-slave citizens in legion territory, not necessarily at the top of the legion food chain. the top of the legion food chain still means being a legionary, you know
citizen in legion territory > ncr citizen, tbqhwyf

>>158885579
Stats don't matter. You can distribute your SPECIAL points any way you like, change your mind mid-game and still come out on top with no difficulty whatsoever. NV isn't the kind of game where you gameplay decisions made at the start of the game hold, nor was this the case for the Fallout franchise as a whole. I myself did several melee runs on jsawyer very hard with 1 STR, END and AGI characters, and had no problem clearing the game. Just stop listening to anything others say and enjoy the game.

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>>158888115
> lmao are there even enough fedoras in this world for you?
Stop projecting, you fucking loser.

>>158888115
Well, still good luck preventing your community to not side against the Legion then, else they will gladly nail you on the next cross they can find, like Nipton had to find out the hard way.

>>158888342
You seem exceptionally triggered anon, would you like to talk about it?

>>158888571
> mistaking smugness for intelligence
Yep, you're a standard /pol/tard degenerate, all right. Fuck off to your containment board and never come back.

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>>158887541
>I wish I know where you lived so I could come to you and humiliate you in your own homes and watch you accept it like the spineless coward escapist weaklings you all are.

>>158888794
>muh /pol/ boogeyman
>>>/out/

>>158888375
>nipton refused to join Legion
>Legion throw a hissy fit and burn the place down

>>158888375
>>158889251
Wasn't nipton more like
>Mr. Doghat comes to the mayor and offer a good pay for helping legion by capturing some ncr soldier
>Mayor does exactly that
>Mayor and everyone else get fucked over by legion anyway

>>158887380
The legion is a complete cult of personality, don't fool yourself

>>158889251
That's not why Nipton was burned, though. Next time, talk to Vulpes before blowing his head off.

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>>158888375
>implying those degenerates didn't deserve it
Besides, it was more about fucking with the NCR's already non-existent morale more than anything

>>158889251
Fairly certain they were never asked.

>>158888959
> Stop projecting
>>158889164
> implying that legionfags aren't all /pol/tards
You're deceiving yourself, not me.

How to check if FNV 4 GB enabler is actually working. In the Doc's house, when I Alt-tab out of the game and see the memory section in the task manager i get 700 MB. How do I know if it is actually working.

>>158889409
No, you don't get it, they weren't all white master race, so they all deserved to die. Do you even escapist loser?

>>158889409
>betraying those you're sheltering
>abloobloo it's coming back to bite me in the ass
there's plenty of arguments against the legion, this isn't one

>>158889645
> i get 700 MB
It's not working. There you have it.

>>158889251
>>158889409

Not exactly, this place was a shithole, but a) it was largely a strategic attack, considering it being close to the NCR Outpost and how much Vulpes half-truths his way thru your conversation with him; and b) I find it hard to believe that every single person within Nipton was a grade-A scumbag who deserves what happened in the end.

If you think it is really free-er under then Legion, overthink your stupid decision.

>>158889827
>If you think it is really free-er under then Legion
bretty sure literally no-one thinks this

>>158889645
I have 4Gb enabler and FNV doesn't really take more than 800Mb for me either, I think it depends on settings?

>>158889767
> the Legion's so fair and just, anyone who's fair and just like me can be successful in it
> but it totally doesn't count when they act the opposite of fair and just, and I'd still perform great there
There is no proof more definite that legionfags just want to live out their escapist fantasy than this.

>>158890090
>betraying the people you're sheltering is fair and just
what
also where the fuck is this escapist fantasy shit coming from? you could say that about any video game

>>158889816
Why isn't it working nub

>>158887715
It's also been proven true dozens of times over.

http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Caesar%27s_Legion

"RE: Caesar's plans: yes, he views the Colorado River as the Rubicon and the NCR as the corrupt Roman Republic waiting to be torn down via military occupation. This is literally exactly what Julius Caesar did with Legio XIII Gemina. Other things Julius Caesar did: not leave a clear line of succession, resulting in the early fracture and borderline collapse of the nascent Roman Empire he created." - Sawyer

>>158890471
> I'd love to live in this perfectly hierarchical society where the top gets everything and bottom gets nothing
> this society is extremely unforgiving, which means that only people completely loyal to the social structure of the society will ever achieve anything in it, meaning that I can justify this society not falling apart in years or decades at most despite numerous historical precedents
> I'm a complete loser IRL, and the only hope of ever finding success I have is in a society that's completely arbitrary about its allocation of resources, and I can pretend that the Legion is just such a society
> but it's totally not escapism
You're so full of shit, it's leaking through your every orifice.
>>158890652
Like when? Give me actual examples. If there's even one that didn't actually survive that you're going to justify with "but they totally would have lasted forever if their enemies didn't destroy them!", then I'm going to find out where you live and piss on your face before your whole extended family. I'm waiting.

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>>158880950

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>>158891227
Giving Octaviaus all his money, adopting him, spending the last years of his life introducing Octavian to both the troops and the administration doesn't count as having a successor?

>>158891252
> I'm a complete loser IRL, and the only hope of ever finding success I have is in a society that's completely arbitrary about its allocation of resources, and I can pretend that the Legion is just such a society
Stop projecting anytime.
The majority of historical regimes have concentrated power in one person or a very small group of people, from the Roman Empire and Chinese dynasties to European monarchies. They did not all collapse when the emperor/king was succeeded. It's kind of sad I actually have to tell you this.
>inb4 but they didn't last forever!
You're a fucking retard if you expect any form of government to last forever.

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>>158892969
kek

>>158890045
It really is. Nipton is on the frontier, so that sort of thing happens in war. The rest of Legion-controlled territory is comfy and safe as fuck.

>>158893219
I wish all frogposters would die

>>158893628
>being a slave is comfy

>>158893780
Like we've been saying, the only slaves are tribals, degenerates, and enemies of the legion. Nothing wrong with a happy life as a farmer.

Did anyone have a problem with DARN UI? I edited the ini files but keep getting dots with MO

>>158893628
I agree, but it's not exactly free-er. You're free-er in that you don't get cucked by taxes and raiders but you lose the freedom to be a degenerate.

>>158893780
Generally only tribals and Legion opposers are enslaved, he's obviously talking about being a citizen in Legion lands.

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>>158893293
> Stop projecting anytime.
You're such an obvious fucking /pol/tard, it's insulting that you thought that you could pretend that you aren't.
> he majority of historical regimes have concentrated power in one person or a very small group of people
Because there is no such thing as institutions. You've just failed junior high history.
> Roman Empire
In which the Senate had always played a big role and which no emperor could just ignore.
> Chinese dynasties
Which are famous for relying on extensive bureaucratic systems which chained rulers with responsibilities as much as they enabled them to rule effectively.
> European monarchies
Which always relied on not always loyal nobility which had at many, many, many occasions had succeeded at overthrowing said monarchies.
> They did not all collapse when the emperor/king was succeeded
Because they were never as centralised as the Legion was, and when they were, it ended at the very least in years of turmoil, if not outright civil war and/or total collapse of the state.
See? You're as fucking ignorant as you are stupid.
> It's kind of sad I actually have to tell you this.
Stupid fucking /pol/tard shows that he suffers from the Dunning-Kruger effect to the point where it's hard to see him as sapient and not just repeating the nonsense circulated on /pol/ like a parrot: check.
> You're a fucking retard if you expect any form of government to last forever.
See, you're even autismally literal-minded just like every /pol/tard is.

>>158893780
>>158894017
> losers believing that they will end up living comfy in societies that they like precisely for being extremely unforgiving to those who don't live up to the expectations
e s c a p i s t
l o s e r s

>>158894091
Your assumption I frequent the stormfront shithole cointainment board that is /pol/ is so central to your argument you probably won't accept the fact I'm not a /pol/tard, huh.
If you can stop being an overly triggered fuckwit for a second you may realize I'm not at all making the argument that the Legion would be a good idea in the current year IRL. I only think the Legion is better than the NCR precisely because of the state of the world in FNV. It's obviously a terrible fucking idea in real life, as is really any form of fascism.
If you think democracy would've worked 1000 years ago, you're a fucking idiot.

>>158880221
You don't have to really worry about full accuracy on Halloween versus a cosplay event or whatever, because as long as you get the basic shapes (bandages/vest/pants/boots) people who know the character have enough visual cues to know whay you were going for. Blue pants are fine, but you can always a buy a cheap pair of black pants from a Wal-Mart type shop no problem.

>>158894656
> I'm not a /pol/tard
1. That's what every single /pol/tard has been saying outside of /pol/ for two years now, and everyone outside of /pol/ knows that /pol/tards do this, and it's also known that /pol/tards keep pretending that they can keep claiming that they aren't from /pol/ like this brilliant plan hasn't been cracked the first time it was put into action, so you've done nothing but make me even more skeptical of your claims.
2. That you reason that literal fucking fascism is better at not plunging the world into apocalypse than bourgeois democracy shows you to at the very least share the exact same thinking patterns as /pol/tards, at which point it's really irrelevant whether or not you visit the board.
3. That you resort to arguments that are cut off by Hume's guillotine shows you to be… Ah, fuck it, I've made my point already. Go masturbate to vikings or something.

Yes Man/House >> NCR >>>>>>>> Legion?

>>158896805
Yes Man >= NCR >>>>> House >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legion

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>>158897224

Called it >>158879216

>>158896805
Yes Man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> House >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legion

>>158896805
>>158897224
>>158897772
Yes Man is the best ending but but only if the Courier uses the Securitrons to genocide the Mojave

I liked New Vegas.

Are there enough mods currently to make Fo4 tolerable for someone like me?

>>158898349
That's Elijah ending, my man.
And as we've stumbled on it:
Elijah > Yes Man >>>>>> Think Tank >>>>> Ulysses >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> House >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legion

>>158898623
No, there isn't.

>>158898349
My man, humanity is so fucking overrated. Just wipe them all out, put a barrel to your head, pull the trigger. Fuck that.

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>>158899190
>suicide

Who are you to take that which does not belong to you, but is the Lord's?

>>158899190
>>158901136
Word, how can you kill yourself when there are more heretics out there to send to God?

>>158896805
House > Legion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Copout Man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCRetarded
Is the only acceptable order

>>158901136
Is this the guy at the halloween party sitting in a corner?
>my feet hurt
>i wish i was cleaning .45s

>>158904598
The path of the righteous is more important than degenerate partying.

>>158901136
> sitting this close to a fire after having literally been burned alive

>>158905938
He's just turning the other cheek.

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>>158905938
What the fuck is it going to do, burn your burned skin?

>>158906195
Have you ever been burned before?

>>158906569
But how can you burn the burned man anon?

>>158908526
Ice burns? Chemical burns?

>>158908860
Indian burns?

>>158896805
>For New Vegas
House > NCR >>> Legion
>For the Mojave
NCR > House > Legion
>For the Courier him/herself
House > NCR = Legion

Disregard copout/failsafe Yesman, which clearly exists for gameplay purposes only.

>>158909010
Accurate, but you forgot
>For humanity
House > Legion >>> NCR

>>158887380

Genghis Khan and Alexander the Great were both extremely accomplished conquerors whose regimes imploded after their deaths.

The Legion is especially likely to succumb to this because of its rigid power structures, all of which top out at Caesar himself, and the dehumanization of everyone within its boundaries. Everyone from the slaves to the citizens to the Centurions is pretty much explicitly a tool of the state rather than a person in their own right.

When Caesar dies, the only people who will step up to fill his place will be his highest-ranking generals, but they're all going to try to emulate Caesar's policies, and they're all going to have their own opinions of what those are (especially since Caesar's goals, a post-synthesis Empire, did not actually align with the rigid culture that he's handed down to his Legion, so any general that is loyal to the Legion is not in fact loyal to the goal Caesar was working towards).

Most likely, post-Caesar's death, his empire will fracture into several fairly similar states, each of which think they are the true inheritors of Caesar's legacy and hate all of the others with a venomous passion. That's pre-synthesis, anyway; we have no way of knowing what the post-synthesis Legion will look like because even Caesar seems to have only a vague idea of what sort of society it will be.

>>158909010
>exists for gameplay purposes onl
They all do.

>>158909294
What I mean is, if you converted the story as told in New Vegas into a different medium, like a film or comic book, Yesman wouldn't need to exist. The Courier get can a fulfilling story arch from siding with any of the other three factions, which is really all what Yesman endings offer.

Yesman is a gameplay only copout because, even if the player is a complete retard and has never played an RPG before, they still have the option to complete the game. In an ideal world, RPGs would still punish you for being stupid e.g Fallout 1.

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>>158906119

>>158909545

Why is Yes Man not a legitimate choice?

>>158909545
>if you converted the story as told in New Vegas into a different medium, like a film or comic book
You would still need only one ending and furthermore Courier would be a massive gaping marysue regardless of the ending chosen.

And you know, a story of a guy who gets shot in the head, gets revenge and hijacks a plan that allows him to become the top dog of the last surviving city of the old world seems like a more interesting story than "a guy helps a bunch of corrupt politicians/a really old guy/murdering cosplayers accomplish their goals and then fucks off". So, nope.

>>158909919
>You would still need only one ending and furthermore Courier would be a massive gaping marysue regardless of the ending chosen.
so like in the vanilla game

>>158909897
Because it takes votes away from the lich in a box and the Roman LARPers.

>>158910303
Vanilla game is an RPG so yes, sure. It's not a problem.

>>158885579
If you want to play a diplomatic/charismatic character you should invest in the things which actually allow you to be diplomatic/charismatic, which isn't really Charisma so much as Speech and so on.
I mean who cares if your character sheet says your character is charismatic if you can't actually act like it?

There are some Charisma checks, I think, mind, as there are for probably all the stats.

>>158910789
Yeah everyone misses parts of dialogue because nobody gets charisma checks

How do Install all the different HUD mods? Does the order matter. I'd like:
IMCNNV, UIO, DarnUI,MCM,Weapon Mod Menu, One Hud.
I am a retard so someone help me out with the install and load order.

>>158909171
> explicit fascism is the solution to humanity's problems
Get back to your containment board already.

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>>158910789
> There are some Charisma checks
Are there, though? The only stat check past Doc Mitchell I remember is an END check when drinking with Cass, which only influences a couple of lines and doesn't actually affect the result of the challenge.

>>158916238
I know there are checks for PER, INT and LCK at least, so I'd be pretty surprised if there were no dialogue checks for what's supposed to be the one dedicated social stat, even if it oddly affects combat more than anything else in practice.

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>>158882348
>>158883178
>>158896805
Fixed it.

>>158893907
>civilian pregnant housewife who didn't particularly like living in a tiny junktown, but wasn't addicted to anything or otherwise fitting the definition of a 'degenerate'
>sold to the Legion by a backbiting mini-fascist that had no authority over her whatsoever, who happily kidnapped her, delivering her to the slaver town for life as a sex slave somewhere else
>let's totally ignore this most concrete example of the Legion's slavery standards because it contravenes our position, faulty as it was to begin with

>>158916238
If your courier is female and your charisma is high enough, the lesbian sniper will hit on you.

...that's it, I think.

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I just wrote an essay for >tumblr analyzing Fallout's bloody mess ending, transcribing it here. Since Fallout was not intended to have sequels, lore details related to Jacoren and Vault 13 from the Fallout Bible and Fallout 2 are not mentioned here.

>“The details are trivial and pointless. The reasons, as always, purely human ones.” - Ron Perlman, Fallout 2 intro

The main quest of Fallout has only two endings (though there is an “alternate” game-ending cutscene in which the player is captured by the super mutants, it isn’t relevant here). However, uniquely for a sandbox RPG, these endings are not dependent on a climactic decision at the end of the story–or even the player’s actions throughout the course of the game. Believe it or not, the ending of Fallout is decided on the character sheet before the game begins.

In the “normal” ending, the player returns to their home, Vault 13, with the water chip that will save their people from certain extinction. The vault overseer, who personally saw you off in the game’s opening scene (and is available to talk with throughout the game), comes out of the vault to meet you and accept the chip.

After he congratulates you and thanks you profusely for enduring against overwhelming odds and saving your people (going as far to speculate that you may have even saved the human race, for all they know), he sadly explains that he believes your triumphant return will inspire the smartest and fittest of the vault’s youth to leave the vault in search of glory, knowledge, or adventure.

He apologizes to you and commends you as a hero, but tells you that he can not permit you inside.

He turns away from you. He opens the vault door, enters, and closes it behind him.

The Vault Dweller walks off into the wasteland, their head hung low, as the Ink Spots song “Maybe” plays solemnly in the background. The game ends.
(cont)

>>158919492
> Yes Man not having the proud flag lad face
You had one job.

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There is only one factor that can change this scene, a single trait on the character sheet. A trait called Bloody Mess.

Unlike later games, Bloody Mess is a trait chosen before the game begins, not a perk acquired later. Bloody Mess replaces all death animations with longer and much gorier ones with unique sound effects.

Upon completing the main quest with Bloody Mess, Overseer Jacoren comes out to meet you and retrieve the water chip, as normal.

He thanks you and explains why he has decided to exile you, as normal. He apologizes and commends you as a hero, as normal. He turns to leave and steps towards the vault door, as normal.

Then, the player produces a small gun, and shoots him in the back.

The left half of Jacoren’s body is horribly mutilated (The narrator describes his body as “shattered”). The player stares down at their leader as he uses his remaining limbs to crawl to the vault door in desperation, trailing blood and intestinal tract behind him. Though he manages to pull himself to the cold, flat metal of the vault entrance, he obviously cannot open it in his condition. Overseer Jacoren convulses violently before falling still, a second powerful gush of blood signifying his expiration, as well as the certain death of your people.

The Vault Dweller walks off into the wasteland, their head hung low, as the Ink Spots song “Maybe” plays solemnly in the background. The game ends.

The point of the Bloody Mess ending, and arguably, the entire game, is to demonstrate how the desire to see one’s enemies suffer can become an obsession that clouds judgment, twists morality, and drives people to commit violent atrocities in the name of nothing but their own runaway emotions.
(cont)

>>158920513
Wasn't she an NCR citizen? I mean she was married to a former NCR sniper, I guess that makes her count as an enemy, although she clearly didn't deserve what happened and her thoughts on the Legion probably didn't amount to much more than "stay the fuck away from those psychos", for good reason. Her unborn child also didn't do shit to them but fuck it, enslave them anyway. Legionfags always say the Legion only targets its enemies and tribals, but clearly many of these enemies are completely innocent people that probably weren't even really actively opposing them. Though I guess that wasn't really in question.

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The Bloody Mess ending renders the journey of the Vault Dweller ultimately pointless. Sure, you killed Richard Grey along the way and that’s a big fucking deal, but that wasn’t the point of your odyssey. You set out to save your people, and you came extremely close, but you failed for no other reason than your own sadism and selfishness. Your impulsive urge to punish Jacoren for robbing you of your reward was, in the moment, greater than your desire to save hundreds of men, women and children, your friends and family, your way of life, and your home from a slow, meaningless death.

Why does a player choose the bloody mess trait on their first playthrough? Sure, to make the game more visually exciting, but on a deeper level, it’s motivated by a need to see all those who oppose you die in humiliating and extremely painful ways.

The Vault Dweller is mentally unwell by the time the game ends. They have seen everyone and everything who ever stood in their way horrifically killed and reduced to nothing, not even a corpse worth burying. To feel such power and see such vivid, consistent affirmation of their violent urges caused them to make this genocidal decision. When Jacoren is murdered by your character without your control, you are, for the first time in the game, disturbed by the way your character stands unmoving and emotionless as your opponent dies a messy, panicked death at your feet, even though he shared this fate with dozens of others.

So overwhelming was the Vault Dweller’s rage at the perceived injustice of being denied their reward, that they rendered their entire journey meaningless and doomed everyone they had ever known. All for the satisfaction of seeing an opponent– a mentor and leader who has known the vault dweller their whole life, acting to preserve the very society you worked so hard to save, but an opponent nonetheless–utterly ruined and destroyed.
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The Vault Dweller was so drunk on rage and hatred that they wanted nothing more than to stand over Jacoren as he spent his final moments in unimaginable agony, desperately crawling through his own gore, both to escape the maniacal traitor who had doomed his people, but also in a futile attempt to deliver the water chip and save his people. Your people.

This isn’t to say Jacoren was right. Only that whatever justice can be found in his death does not outweigh the lives of hundreds of people and the survival of your culture. But because of the trauma you put the Vault Dweller through, for a few pivotal seconds, they were in such an extreme mental state of bloodlust and self-idolization that they couldn’t see this.

This ties into Fallout’s central themes of nuclear holocaust and eternal war. In Fallout, the world ends because people got used to living in hedonistic excess and fought each-other for the right to do so, quarreling for many decades, culminating with every nuclear-armed country deciding that they have been so wronged by other nations that a complete genocide is somehow justifiable.

Online discussion of the Bloody Mess ending often amounts to people simply saying Jacoren deserved to die, or treating it as a funny easter egg (because this is Fallout, and gore is funny, right?). People who respond this way do not understand the game they played. The Bloody Mess ending is the most important scene in Fallout, and the whole game is nothing short of an explicit, somber condemnation of self-righteous violence.
(cont)

>>158922305
Supposedly you can trigger the bloody ending by having negative karma, being a childkiller, or just hitting the start combat button quickly enough as well. I could never get it to work though.
You can also get Bloody Mess midgame if you use the Mutate! perk.

>>158922420
> that wasn’t the point of your odyssey
The point of chasing Benny was to get revenge or whatever. How important was Benny to the story, again?
Your essay is stupid and so are you.

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But people didn’t remember the message, they remembered the gore, and they wanted more.

Now the series is driven by shallow “black comedy” and justified acts of mass murder. Why does “war never change”? No longer because of conflicting emotions and ideologies, but because of pointless orcish hordes and convenient “bad guys” (contrast with the organized and ideology-driven super mutant army of the Master in Fallout 1). These are not human reasons, they are inhuman ones.

Every modern Fallout game has ended with a lengthy scene of slaughter, in which the player is intended to participate, and find satisfaction, glory, and delight. The Bloody Mess perk is now picked by almost every player, for the damage boost it now grants and the cinematic spectacles of gore that come with it.

When you choose to begin Fallout: A Post Nuclear Role Playing Game with Bloody Mess as one of the two traits you are allowed, you are telling the game, “I really want to see people suffer.” And at the end of your adventure, the game solemnly replies, “Okay.”

>>158922531
>>158922686
Wow, this really is a tumblr-tier essay. Not only is your message ridiculous, but you didn't even get the facts: >>158922642.

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>>158922305
>>158922420
>>158922531
>>158922686
What the fuck did I just read

>>158922406
The fact that simply being a 100% civilian citizen of the NCR is enough to qualify you for slavery puts to lie the entire claim that the Legion won't completely fuck up the NCR territory/civilians it's supposed to absorb/be absorbed and changed by, though.

Not to mention, it's a display of just how 'flexible' the Legion's standards for who can and can't be enslaved actually are, casting doubt on every claim of 'oh, we wouldn't enslave/kill/raid that random farmer, just tribals'. It suggests that the Legion would find some loophole, a very creative one, if need be, to justify enslaving/murdering anyone and everyone they want to. It destroys any pretense of Legion 'justice' or their supposed role of bringing law and order to the wasteland, because, ultimately, they're just a very well organized band of raiders. Nothing more.

>>158922646
>>158922815

I'm writing about Fallout 1, which is a different game, with a different narrative structure and different themes. Your initial motivation, to save your vault, is still your motivation up to the game's final cutscene, unlike killing Benny, which is resolved quickly, with the game immediately giving you new motives.

Aside from that, killing the Master still directly serves the purpose of saving your vault. I don't think the fact that you were of benefit to the surface humans renders the vault plot irrelevant, especially because it bookends the entire story.

>>158923127
> It destroys any pretense of Legion 'justice'
B-but Caesar himself probably didn't order that, so it was all bad apples and wouldn't have happened on a bigger scale, r-right?
>>158923167
> I'm writing about Fallout 1
You explicitly made judgements about the following games in your last post. Did you even read your own essay?

>>158922151
>>158922305
>>158922420
>>158922531

Do you know what a paragraph is?

>>158923421
Yeah, I commented on how the later games treated the bloody mess perk, vs. its relevance in the original game. What, specifically, are you upset about?

Like I said in the original post, Fallout was not intended to be a big lore-driven franchise, it was a relatively small narrative mostly centered on a vault in a wasteland. Most of the game's content, including the killing of the Master, are directly motivated by your goal of saving the vault. NV is all about worldbuilding and sandbox gameplay, and demonstrates its themes in different ways. It has a very different plot structure that reflects this.

I don't feel like anything you said undermines my post at all. If the bloody mess ending isn't intended to have some kind of meaning, why is it the only alternate ending to the main quest, and why was so much effort put into the animation of Jacoren dying? Nothing you're talking about has anything to do with the vault plot that the entire game is centered around, which is what I'm analyzing.

>>158923762
Valid. I format like shit.

>>158923982
> What, specifically, are you upset about?
Your essay is shit and I have neither desire nor energy to explain to you exactly why.

>>158923127
I don't think they'd even need a loophole, Caesar isn't held accountable to anyone. He's ruthless and pragmatic. If he thinks he stands to gain more from enslaving some random town than from letting them live in peace provided they follow the laws, he'll do it.
I don't think anyone will give a shit that it violates the Legion's general slavery policy, from the way the Legionnaires address others in New Vegas, they've probably dehumanised everyone outside the Legion to the point of not really caring what happens to them anyway.

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>>158922642
>Supposedly you can trigger the bloody ending by having negative karma, being a childkiller, or just hitting the start combat button quickly enough as well.

Sorry I didn't address this. Childkiller and Berserker perks still demonstrate extreme trauma and self-righteousness, so even if I got the details wrong, all the analysis is in-tact. If you play the game as a serial killer or a child murderer, you're still telling the game that you are a desensitized maniac. I also think they might only trigger properly in patched versions of the game but I'm not sure.

Split-second VATS kill is either a bug or deliberately extremely hard to the point of being an easter egg. A secret one-frame window in which you can switch to the bad ending and undermine your quest still doesn't significantly affect how I view the game's plot structure.

Fuck me, yeah, apparently having really low karma can actually trigger the ending.

I still think this is a discussion that Fallout fans should talk about more, and I do think it's a deliberate statement about how your character's trauma and the player's violent power-fantasy gaming affect the narrative, but clearly my information on the amount of triggers for the ending were wrong, so yeah, my name is mud and I'm a fool and a lout

I still wish people talked about the ending and I think my central point still stands even if I was wrong about Bloody Mess being the only trigger

>>158920838
Ghost? High charisma run incoming

>>158924391
I'm not saying your interpretation is invalid but I kinda doubt it's what was going through the heads of the developers when they decided to add that ending. Also, how does it doom the Vault exactly? The water chip still gets delivered, at least in a "normal" playthrough. You could theoretically complete all objectives before delivering the chip, but I don't think you even know what your final objectives are before you do. Or not get the chip at all and still somehow win, which is just an oversight I guess.
Jacoren's survival doesn't stop some of the vault dwellers from following you into the wasteland either, as I think it's canon he survived, and was then executed. Of course, that's not a part of the original game's story.

>>158924976
> I'm an intellectual with deep thoughts, please indulge my fantasy of being smart more

>>158925187
No, not the cool one, the one from McCarran.

>>158925187
>>158925546
Also, it's Charisma 8.

>>158925187
I'm still triggered by the fact that Ghost doesn't have a proper sniper rifle solely because it was too high-tier to be even remotely accessible to the player at that point.

>>158925525
Man I just like Fallout and wanted to get people thinking about the ending more, because it really seems like people never talk about what it implies about the message of the game. Fallout 1 has strong writing and it has 1 alternate main quest ending and I've never seen discussion about it outside of "Jacoren deserved it" or gore celebration.

My essay is bad, I'm admitting this in so many words, I hope you find peace in this. I think the trauma/powergaming/violence connection is really worth discussing, but I based my interpretation on incorrect info about the ending triggers and, as >>158925352 said, my groundless assumption that the chip is not salvageable, which would simply make this an issue of the value of Jacoren's life and the vault's leadership, rather than the Vault Dweller's sacrifices and the vault's population.

I posted what I wrote here to see if it had glaring issues and it totally did. My understanding of Fallout is stronger for having done so, and if I've made people consider the ending from angles they hadn't previously, then I don't think my post was completely without merit.

>>158925546
The one who got cook cooked? doesnt seem like shed be into anyone.
>>158925647
The only way to get it would be murdering the entire outpost which would be pretty hard that early.

>>158916238
You can give mini-boomers toys if your charisma is high enough.

>>158926521
She got fucked up by getting cook cooked.

>>158926452
> I just like Fallout
You are obviously full of yourself to the point of namefagging when there is no reason for that whatsoever, I don't see why do you even pretend like it's not obvious.
> if I've made people consider the ending from angles they hadn't previously, then I don't think my post was completely without merit
Even if that was completely stupid and directly contradicting the devs' intentions? Ok.
>>158926521
> The only way to get it would be murdering the entire outpost
You do know that there are several stealthy ways to kill people without anyone noticing in the game, with several becoming available very early, right? Like, if you can't one hit kill her with a melee weapon with a sneak critical from VATS after taking a doze of psycho and buffout, then you can shoot her first to get her health down, which, if you do it right, won't make her hostile. That, and she's actually at a great position to take the whole camp out. You can set mines on the path leading to the roof and then just pick off everyone who comes running at you one by one.
>>158926839
Ah, yes, that. Though you meant to say that you can do without giving them toys if you have high charisma.
>>158926853
Great pun, my man. (Not really,)

>>158927192
>Though you meant to say that you can do without giving them toys if you have high charisma
I think with low charisma you can give only negative gifts like psycho.

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>>158927192
Dude some of what I said was inaccurate, that doesn't mean every single one of my points was completely worthless. Bloody Mess is still by far the simplest and most common way of achieving the ending, which consists of an impulsive act of violence against the overseer. Most of my important analysis rests on these simple facts. And I'm happy to discard the analysis that was based on incorrect/unprovable assumptions, because I don't need those points to support my main argument, which is that the game's ending is a statement about violence, trauma, and desensitization, which I fully believe to be the conscious intention of the writers.

You seem to like moving the goalposts and nitpicking the fuck out of everything. So here's my interpretation boiled down for you, without any grand presentation:
>The game punishes you for picking bloody mess by making you murder your overseer in the ending. This can be seen as a condemnation of those who would choose such a function when starting the game. It can also be seen as the result of trauma the main character endures, which is actually supported by the fact that Berserker (killed 25+ humans, over 2/3 of them good characters) and Childkiller (as well as extremely low karma, still unsure of that) also trigger the ending. Any possible way to trigger the ending outside of the 1-frame VATS window (which is probably unintentional) consists of playing your character in a way that exposes them to traumatic death through choices typically made by people desensitized to violence, and Bloody Mess is by far the easiest way to get the ending.
>The later games are at odds with this message.

That's all I really wanted to say. I tried to present it in a big interesting way and my point suffered for it. I know that. I just wanted it to be interesting to read.

I'm deadass just here because I want to talk about the Fallout 1 ending. I appreciate you correcting you where I was objectively wrong but can you like. Calm down lol

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when is brazil getting finished?

>>158922305
>Bloody Mess replaces all death animations with longer and much gorier ones with unique sound effects.
I'm pretty sure it just makes the game always choose the goriest animation of several ones. You can still see those animations and sounds in a normal game, they just don't play on literally every death.

>>158922420
>You set out to save your people
And how does killing the Overseer stops it in any way? It's not like he's the only source of knowledge in the vault. He's old, he would die relatively soon anyway. Besides, people can just leave the vault, it's not exactly "safe" out there, but it's a living.

>>158922686
>Every modern Fallout game has ended with a lengthy scene of slaughter
And so did every older one, really.
>grants and the cinematic spectacles of gore that come with it
It's ugly as fuck, actually. I mean, the first time you shoot a molerat and every limb of it explodes as it's kind of funny, but it gets tiresome very fast.

I actually appreciate the thought, but I think you are misguided.

Why the fuck do all the gun merchants have so little ammo for sale?

You'd think the gun runners would have more than 20 .44 bullets for sale at any given moment.

>>158933591
lrn2reload

>>158933651
I did. It still pisses me off though.

>>158933651
You still need a lot of ammo for it.

>>158934695
I dunno, for me traders like Vendortron and the nuisance guy sell pistol bullets in hundreds. You can buy 100-200 hundreds of lol9mm, 10mm, .45 from them easily. I never noticed the .44 amounts because I don't use .44, but I imagine it not being that much less. And even then, you can buy 500-800 rounds of pistol ammo, also buy all the 12ga and 20ga ammo because it yields you pistol powder, break it all down and then you can assemble as much .44 SWC as you have shells. And you don't even need so much .44 unless you're using FIDO.

>>158934941
Usually lead and powder are not the issue, primer is. For .44 it's not a problem, but for large rifles .308 and .45-70 i'm having constant lack of primers.

>>158935262
Look for primer boxes, then. And I dunno, I feel like .308 is similarly common. Definitely bought it in hundreds to grind it into rifle powder for my 5mm addiction.

If you haven't dealt with Contreras yet, the guy in McCarran, he sells those almost in thousands. On the trade outpost, the arms dealer women above, the one next to a truck, occasionally sells those too.

>>158933591
I once had that Khans grill on the Armory sell me hundreds of ammo.

Do merchants pile up ammo when you leave them be for a long time? Or just reset?

>>158935417
Yeah, I dealt with him a while ago. I just wanted to say that handloading is not a panacea and you still have to visit vendors.

>>158938992
Works on my machine ;^)

The only problem I have is stuff like AP rounds, 5.56 specifically. You really need that AP to make Bozar effective vs. anything that isn't a cazador, but getting enough to feed that gun is not easy.

>>158939103
>to make Bozar effective vs. anything that isn't a cazador
What were they thinking? It's weaker than damn tommy-gun.

>>158886252
That's actually a great argument for the NCR, desu

>Kill House
>faction falls apart since he's literally one guy controlling it all

>Kill Caesar
>At best, the Legion disintegrates in a few years, at worst, Lanius murders everyone eastword

>Kill every important NCR official in Nevada
>The Republic is disrupted for a few months at worst, as the politics get sorted out, people get promoted/demoted, and the VP is sworn in.
>And chances are pretty good that Kimball becomes a JFK figure and a martyr, which makes him more useful dead than he ever was alive.

>>158942217
Oh, and Caesar dies regardless of the player's help, since the Legion's culture is unlikely to raise any brain surgeons anytime soon.

>>158939940
To be fair, Tommy-gun has huge spread, even when modded. Bozar is kind of okay with AP ammo, kills a charging Deathclaw in one mag, it's just that you need to hoard that AP ammo and there are more effective weapons.

I find it more funny that it does less damage per bullet than a regular LMG and is less accurate than Avenger.

But yeah, it's a shadow of what it was in FO2.

>/cfog/ isn't invaded by scary spooky skellingtons
But why?

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>>158946316
Howdy

>>158942460
He's alive at the time of the second Hoover Dam battle if you don't side with the Legion, which means he found some way to cure the toomah as he goes into coma well before the battle. He probably sends some legionaries to fetch the Autodoc's missing parts from that Vault if he can't get the courier to do it.

>>158947083
Is this the best WW encounter?

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this is the best ending prove me wrong

>>158923127
>implying the enemy deserves any 'justice'
Enemy citizens chose to be so, don't make excuses because you can't actually make an argument

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>>158946316
Oh, don't mind me. I'm just chilling around that Vault 13 entrance.

>killed Killian for trying to put me in jail after I didn't want to get involved in his stupid "hurr we can't just kill Gizmo we need proof" bollocks
>head to Gizmo's casino to see if he'll give me a reward
>the casino is empty, Gizmo's bloody corpse slumped over on the desk
top spoop
seriously though, why

>>158947578
>making his Legion carry a fuckhuge statue to some lake
>then bury it
Why is Caesar so dumb?

>>158955309
Wut? Legion dies in this ending too...

>>158946316
All ya gotta do is refresh the page. Instant skellies!

>>158922420
Very good, I enjoyed this alot. You should do this for another fallout.

>>158960010
What's an alot?

>>158960439
I think it's some kinda amphibian. It's got weird spikey frilly whisker things.

>>158960439
This word may have a lot of meanings but I can't think of any.

>>158960439
Noone cares, you autist.

>>158961349
What's a noone?

>>158961505
It's what a Boone becomes once you take its beret.

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>>158961505
>>158961624

has anyone tried Cirosans Classic Overhaul?

http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/44027/?

Where do I find the loli sex mods?

>>158963058
In hell degenerate

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>>158964069
Just tell me where they are, fuccboi.

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>>158964368
I just did miscreant, let me know if you need help getting there

>>158963058
>>>/fog/
>>>/tesg/
Remove yourself, degenerate

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>>158964731
>>158964963
Such an unhelpful bunch. No wonder this place is dead.

Smell you later, losers.

>>158965153
see you later /fog/

Frogposting in the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.

>>158965548
Frogposting in the Mojave almost makes you wish for a New Vegas Thread.

Gladiator Armour was equipped on a thug in Freeside. Anyone know how that could happen? Is it jsawyer or NVR3?

>>158924121
There's nothing wrong with it. Why even waste time telling him it's so bad and tumblr-esq if your not even gonna say why

>>158969358
That shit has to be NVR3.

JSawyer isn't retarded.

>>158887541
[Sneering Imperialist]

>>158961624
TOP

S H E L F

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Worst quests?

>>158922151
>>158922305
>>158922420
>>158922531
>>158922686

You seem to assume that killing Jacoren, all on his lonesome, is enough to doom the entire vault. Even without taking the sequels into account, this seems implausible.

>>158926521
>The one who got cook cooked? doesnt seem like shed be into anyone.

Actually, you get the quest when her commanding officer tells you he wants her to seek help because she's aggressively hitting on the other female personnel to the point of being disruptive.

>>158975523
Worst taste?

>not tricking that dumbass with the Courier's knowledge of Latin.

>>158960439

It's kind of like a bird, except underwater. I saw a plastic one in a bar, once.

>>158975934
Sorry I forgot to say pic unrelated, Anon.

Can we agree that having to pretend to care about the Boomers gets old after the second time, though?

>>158976425
The Boomers are cool though they get a plane and bomb the shit out of whoever you tell them to

>>158975523
Ghoul astronauts.

So what's /cfog/ doing for Halloween?

>>158982387
I wanna watch some hallomovies but I dunno what ones Probably sitting in with the 10$ worth of candy I bought and watching movies while I cry myself to sleep thinking of my ex.

>>158982852
>crying over a succubus
>feeling emotions at all

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Any reason why a jet addicted slut is the only option for you to continue the Vault Dwellers Bloodline?

>>158985109

Or you could fuck the mother. Either way, it's likely the Chosen One probably had a kid. In fact in Van Buren, your character would have probably been his kid.

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Was it ever definitively proven that Courier 6 was the courier that brought the launch codes to the divide? From what i can remember, i haven't played Lonesome road recently, you could never confirm that it was you.

Could Ulysses be mistaken?

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>HH was decent
>DM was great
>started playing OWB

Why the fuck is this DLC so shit? I started playing 3 hours ago and quests are Fallout 4 tier.

>find an upgrade
>find an upgrade
>find an upgrade
>find an upgrade for your sonic emitter
>now use your sonic emitter to open blue walls
>find an upgrade
>find an upgrade
>find an upgrade
>run the test
>run the test
>run the test
>run the test

Does this shit get any better? Why do I have to search for this stuff?

>>158990553
Not really, the quest in OWB are pretty shit but the rewards are god tier.

>>158990763
What rewards? I already have a holorifle and I'll use power armor/riot armor from LR anyway.

10% damage increases against Cazadors/Nightstalkers are useless.

>>158990883
The Sink itself, Proton Axe, Elijah's LAER, the Stealth Suit, Heart/Brain/Spine upgrades, and Implant GRX.

I like the Atomic perk too.

>>158982387

Playing Fallout 4

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>>158992208
Downright heretical

>>158992419

I decided to go back and actually finish it at least once, and also check out the survival mode.

It's so fucking bad, holy shit.

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>>158992208
>>158992562
There's getting into the Halloween spirit, and then there's this.

>>158992562
You spooked yet anon?

>>158993010

It's pretty spooky that people who get paid to make videogames could make something this bad, sit back at the end of the day and think, "Yep this is perfectly fine. Ship it!"

>>158992208
spooky

>Go talk to quartermaster bardon
>Game lags into unplayability
>Buy over a hundred thousand rounds of ammo from him
>He now has 58521 NCR $5 bills

I'm going to enjoy OWB and none of you can stop me!

>>158997293
YOU MONSTER

How do I pirate the New Vegas DLC but not get banned when I start getting cheevos from it?

>>158998173
1. You probably won't.
2. Don't launch through Steam so no achievements get reported.

>>158928702
why do you assume you're only talking to one person, your shitty essays makes it you're some redditer or something

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dead

>>159003616
impossible

>>159003790
It's okay, he just decided to take a nap on those rocks. Said he felt a little burnt out.

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>>159004559

>>158882348
>implying

>>159003616
[medicine 30] examine the body closer

Is there a NV mod that makes it rain for most of the time? I tried Nevada skies but don't like any of the other weathers.

>>158975523
Silus Treatment is great. Just a small old-fashioned talky quest.
>>158978096
Agree.

>>158998496
> pirated all the DLCs and played through Steam
> no warning, nothing
I suspect that upwards of a tenth of all players are actually pirating DLCs.

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>>159004559

>>159010210
I'm paranoid as fuck that I'll just wake up one day and my account will be banned, along with everyone else who pirated DLC.

>>159010454
Nonsense. People have been doing that since forever. Relax, you have nothing to be afraid of.

Are these people like legit autistic
http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/images/103852/?go=force_view

>>159010663
It's a typical waifu mod?

>>159010971
It's not a mod, it's an image collection with cringy fanfic to go along with it

>>159011028
Oh.
Yeah, it's legit autism.

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>>159010663

>>158989706
The mother's an addict, too, though.

>>158990553
OWB is supposed to be the most sandbox-y DLC. It wasn't supposed to be quest-driven.
And besides,
> not liking the reveal at the end

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>>159010663

>>159011445
I've never played it. What's the reveal?

>>159011706

Play it and find out.

>>159011706
>I've never played it.
well, do

Howdy.

>>159015647
Seems Primm wimped out and accepted NCR rule. Some people will do anything to feel safe.

>>159015647

You eyeballin' me?

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>Only 2.4% of players have the Render Unto Caesar Achievement
Was Legion turnout really that bad? Geez, I guess I understand why they cut so much content for the Legion now. I still think they are objectively the best choice, but fuck man people really are stupid enough to take them at face value.

>>159017120
Or pseudo-intellectuals read too much into them.

>>159017120
Dumb frogposter.

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>>159017120
>I think
>objectively
Dumb frogposter

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>>159017120
>this is your average legionnaire in /cfog/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlqrjJmTzGc
I like where this is going.

Yes for first man

bear

>>158990180
nobody?

I wonder.
If intelligent deathclaws usually peak at the level of pre-teen humans, can they still be taught how to read and write?

>>159015647
something something nuclear winter.

>>159031679
>He didn't learn to read till he was in his teens
Tell me, did you also go legion?

>>159029745
Proven? No. But it's reasonable to assume that it was indeed the Courier.

>>159017120
>a ded faction with next to no quests even with cut content mods only has 2% completion
I wonder why

>>159035893
One of these days...one of these days, I'll actually finish my first legion-centric run.

I just always get near Nipton, then I remember how ham-handed their introduction is, and how you have to go all the way to Vegas before you can go the Fort, but you have no real good reason to stop along the way and interact with the Legion content on the western side of the Colorado besides being a huge fan of seemingly random torture and murder and mutilation, and I don't tend to play randomly evil characters, because that's stupid...and the vast majority of my characters are female on top of it all...

One of these days. I've been playing NV for years, I'll have to get around to it eventually.

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>>158989706

Yeah you can do that and cuck Bishop but, it is in poor taste.

>>159035437
thats all i wanted to know, thanks

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>>159023436
>Mfw this means I might be able to play fallout 2 one day and enjoy it!

>>159023436
why is it only ever the russians doing this

>>158879072
is there any tribal companion in the vanilla game or some neat modded one? i remember some anon was making a tribal legion companion mod and was thinking that'd be great.

>>159037921
None that I'm aware of. You have to travel to Zion for that.

>>159037921
not in the normal worldspace

Honest Hearts has 2 but they can't be taken to the mojave

>>159037921
>>159038402
http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/55811/?

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What did he mean by this?

>>159037867
Probably because both classic Fallout games are really popular and beloved here. Russian Fallout modding scene was a thing back in the days.

>>159038665
OMG WE'RE GETTING TWO MORE NEW VEGAS GAMES PEOPLE

VIDEO GAMES ARE SAVED I'M CUMMING HNNNG

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>>159038665
that he made a lot of notes for NV

>>159038665

I would really like to know what he even wrote down , but i can´t cause of his ugly handwriting.

>>159031679
>write
with the hands they have, I doubt it.

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>>158990553
All the DLCs have something great about them in my opinion. Unfortunately that something great in OWB is only main waifs and that really doesn't need a whole DLC for it.

>>159041429
>that something great in OWB is only main waifs
Also LAER, Proton axe, dialogue, Sink, Mobius...

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>>159041429
>dat scrapped together elijah tesla cannon

>>159036243
I actually quite like their introduction and how you meet them. For me, Caesar himself was the tipping point for finding the Legion to be anything but irredeemable, and I feel like that was deliberate (hence the faction reputations being wiped after you leave the Lucky 38)

You can spend tens of hours doing NCR quests, seeing all their flaws and how they're upsetting many of the established communities, but there basically "the good guys" trying their best in a postnuclear world. The Legion seems like a bunch of barbarians that just want to destroy, and appear as a generic threat, until Caesar puts an ideology behind it that gives it as much merit as the faction you've presumably supported so far

It's just a shame that it all boils down to telling and not showing with the Legion, which worked so well for the NCR in my opinion, because you could experience their shortcomings and their strengths.

>>159041429
>Mobius
You enjoyed Mobius? The twist was kinda cool, but again, not worth a whole DLC. The dialogue is really hit or miss from most anon's comments around here, I guess I'm one of the ones that found it tedious. I really liked a few characters - Dala and O were cute - but the dialogue dump at the start is too much for me on repeat playthroughs

>>159042080
meant for >>159041515
I'm too tired to be having discussions, time for more New Vegas

>>159042080
>You enjoyed Mobius?
Yeah. I actually felt like killing the Think Tank for all the irredeemable shit they did over the years, but talking to Mobius made me reconsider that. He literally did nothing wrong. What a great guy.

>>159042647
I got it, yeah.

>>159041129
Aw, shame.
Remaining in correspondence with Gruthar might have been interesting.

>>159044927
They can probably type on a terminal with their claws.

>>159045018
That's good.
Would have been nice to regularly receive alpha mail.

>>159023436
> giving unique descriptions to every fucking object in the game
Typical Russians, never learning to not try to make a universe simulator out of everything. They'll run out of juice in two years, tops, when the mod is finished by a fifth, and the project will then drag on for five more years until it's quietly abandoned. I bet they intend to completely finish Arroyo before they even begin working on Klamath. Fucking amateurs.

>>159045245
>I bet they intend to completely finish Arroyo before they even begin working on Klamath
The guy has some videos of Sierra Army Depot on his channel.

Anyway, it's a completely pointless mod, but they're doing it for fun so whatever.

>>159045376
My point about their irrational use of resources stands. The mod's obviously too big to be finished.

>>159045621
When you look at mods like this, I like to think it's the process that really matters.

>>159045621
pessimistic, much? large mods like this have been finished before, you know.

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>>159045245
>recreating a feature present in previous games is the same thing as making a universe simulator
>implying an almost finished feature is going to kill the whole project
>drawing conclusions without any knowledge about the subject
>damn russians amirite xD

Here, have a (you).

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Will the Enclave ever come back?

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>>159048016
>utterly BTFO twice
>coming back ever

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>>159048016
nope

they got their shit kicked in back to back by a tribal and a 19 year old
there isn't any coming back from a JUSTing so bad

still I wanted fallout 4 to have some kind of zany enclave moonbase dlc where you fight zetan invaders pissed off that the LW blew up one of their mother ships

Anyone remember where i can find the marksman carbine M in AWOP. Its been 4 years since i last played New vegas. That was one extremely good gun.

>>158990553
it sucks

>>159048376
>>159048515
>implying Todd won't bring them back just because he can't think of a better villain

>>159051495
Is there a better villain though?

>>159051662
That's just a matter of taste
No there isn't

>>159023436
The real question is will it also be available in english?

>>159051662
enclave are pretty shitty villains

>>159051662
Todd

>>159051662
Yes.

New California Republic.

>>159052239
>NCR
>Good
Pick one