/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless and 4X Games General

>>159260865
thank you, this looks much nicer.

this general fucking sucks with merged discussion on stellaris and civ

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>bored
>install improved population mod
>start receiving free leaders
>get a free admiral
>he is retarded

>>159261409
Explain
I find it to be much better, desu

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>>159261409
nou

>>159260945
>torpedo corvettes
Torpedo corvettes are alright, especially once you get energy torps, but regular torps are too inaccurate, too slow to fire and very vulnerable to PD once destroyers hit the deck. I prefer sticking to missiles and guns until I get those sweet proton torps.

>why can't destroyers mount Torpedoes?
Probably balance, I assume.

I am fond of Cleo!

I am fond of the coal miners wife's tits.

Should this general be made into two generals?
One for civ, one for stellaris?

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>>159261452
>first scienctist level-up
>gets substance abuser

I've played stellaris on release, thought it had potential but ultimately pretty boring.

How good is it now? Is it worth pirating?

>>159261865
Good for him.

>>159261816
no, it's fine as it is. civ just came out and people are coming back for the next month of two

>>159261816
>>159261409
stop

>>159261816
I don't even play or intend to play Stellaris, but why do you want to kill /4xg/?

>>159261452
>>159261865
>retarded
>substance abuse
Not surprised, the two go hand-in-hand.

>>159261452
>>159261865
Hahahaha oh god you're so unlucky.

At least he's a retard, and not a politically correct simpleton.

Gentlemen,

How do we fix Norway?

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>>159260897
depends on the level of autism, there is a thin line between complex fun and complex tedious.
If it's nothing but spreadsheet then i will pass.

>>159262860
>implying Aurora isn't top fun

I am fond of Norway.

>>159263120
I am fond of Norway's big cock

>>159262739
ultimately make naval combat not utterly pointless
remove the berserker's -combat ability
make religion actually good

>>159263029
got anything about X3: Terran Conflict?
i have 0 experience with it and would like some opinion

>>159262739

>Viking traders

Give them a bonus to trade routes.

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>fucker builds like ten cities in maybe 6 turns
>builds them all as close to my cities as possible
>builds one in a hole in a mountain range between me and my only ally
>make a city in the tundra south of his capitol
>"Bro, could you not do that?"
I hate this guy so fucking much. It's not like he was going to use the land anyway.

>>159263273
Nope, never played that sorry
Can't you just torrent it and find out?

>>159263329
I meant 60 turns.

>>159263329
Are civ6 spain and civ5 siam friends?

>>159263390
well i thought asking about it in a thread full of people playing 4x games would be faster....

>>159263307
So then Norway and England are both naval empires with strong incentives to trade?

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Hey some planets.
Ugh the green one is only size 13.
Guess we'll have to land on the yellow one with reduced habitability. 18 is decent size right?

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Found our first empire and they are also fanatic spiritualists.

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important planet for every thread

>play Stellaris for a while
>get up to when I need to make a Sector
>start over
>repeat

>>159263721
Take the green but leave the yellow until you can terraform.
Multiple planets in the same star system only count as 1 (one) for your core sector limit.
Multiplanet systems are top tier.

>>159264278
>Multiple planets in the same star system only count as 1 (one) for your core sector limit.

u WOT
Brb.

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>only ruin I found was a eureka for foreign trade even though I found a second continent the same turn
>had 2 ruins stolen by mvemba's scouts
>now have a massive fucking horde showing up with more to come
Should I just quit and try the stellaris dlc?

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>>159264278
I'll have to follow that plan because I found something on the yellow planet.

If you burn cities you get in a trade, are there any warmonger penalties?

>>159264268

So...you didn't play more than an hour?

So this barbarian encampment just made 4 horsemen units and a horse archer unit in 5 turns.
Nice.

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>>159264465
This is the green planet in the same system.
Almost no native food. And so small.

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>>159264432
guess so

>>159256325
hoi4 is garbage
stellaris is shit
eu4 is fundamentally broken
ck2 is ok

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>>159264673
LA
MAY
YO

When I do anomalies and gain research points of a certain type. What does that mean exactly? Because my research sure as shit doesn't increase when I complete them. Shit is pissing me off.

>>159264695
Nice opinions, care to justify them?
Not even shitposting, I'd like to try some of them out. t. newbie

>>159264837
>>159264673
>>159264432
>Sumeria
>Doesn't build War Cart right after scout

you're not very smart

>>159264663
Not the best planet, but decent energy and research.

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>>159264986
Think I found a better candidate for first colony.

>>159264547
Long enough to settle 6 planets so... 2-3 hours more like.

I just can't stand giving away my planets to a mentally retarded AI

>>159265546
Just fucking mod it, it's paracuck game.

>>159264268
I tried collectivist after 1.30 and just installed more core planet mod , after i learned that you cant purge/enslave sector population. I dont like to micro menage my whole empire, but its still better and much more efficient then buggy, terrible ai rule. They got 6months to fix it and still ai dont build anything, make slaves/purges even with good economy and sector Focus.

>>159265546
Honestly I like the sector mechanic.

I can't fathom being so autistic as to want to manage hundreds upon hundreds of planets manually.

But I do wish they added more options to interact with your sectors, like being able to take from their stock

Does /civ4xg/ still care about Endless Legend?

>>159266371
Sure

>>159262739

Beserkers replace swordsman (gives a strong early game boost)
+1 movement at sea instead of healing at sea (would allow them to use sea like roads to capture coastal cities)
Abandon the idea of a unique temple (religion is useless when paired with their early game military based strengths and temples come too late)

>>159266629
It's on sale on Humblebundle

So, apparently, I am really bad at Civ. Playing Civ 6, been pretty easy up until I take on emperor difficulty. Turn 120 rolls around, I check the leaderboards and I'm behind in pretty much everything. Like, massively behind. I'm producing 13 science while the leader is producing 70. I have no idea how it's even possible for them to have such massive production to be able to do that. Is there something I can read or watch to better understand how to play the game?

>>159266727
How?
What are you producing?
I was behind on culture and science in my game so I killed russia, egypt, india, usa and england and now rest of the fuckers hate me, but i am top in culture and science. And this is immortal.

>>159266727
FilthyRobot makes nice videos and you could probably learn a lot from him. A big part of becoming decent at Civ is decision making and synergy

Don't get discouraged or let yourself be bullied by people here. Everyone starts off somewhere

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>>159261452
kek

Torrenting endless legend with all DLCs right now, which faction is the most fun and comfy?

I played the game before so I'm not completely new and limit to only vaulter/wildwalker vanilla factions.

Preferably a few huge tall cities and a fuck ton of shitty wide cities supported by a massive army kind of style. Also describe the new factions aesthetics to me, because it matters A LOT

Also include a guide on starting build order and how to gitgud please.

>>159267189
Jeez dude, you want fries with all that?

>>159266681
I am in a mood to buy someone what ever is on sale on Humblebundle [Endless Legend] if they roll dubs.

>>159266879

It's my first Civ game, to be honest, I don't really have a foothold as far as any sort of strategy is concerned. I've been, essentially, filling out the civics and sciences, researching everything, but I'm guessing that the way to play optimally is to choose something and go just for that.

>>159266925

I managed to pick up Stellaris fairly easily, but Civ doesn't seem to click with me. The map in question is an island map, and though there's no official ranking, I'm pretty sure I'm the only one with any kind of functional navy. Still just viking longboats and quadriremes, but I managed to utterly wreck a Scythian attack force by catching them in open water. Bitch surrendered awful quick after I sank half her damn army.

>>159267431
Rolling for Shifters and Tempest expansion packs only

Please and thank you based anon

>>159267507
Only guardians and shadow on sale, anon.

Apparently, the new meta to win games without exploiting like a fucker (aka no Horseman carpet 50 turns in) is :

>Three core districts are Economic, Science, Industry in that order, the rest are bonus
>If you can't get natural adjacencies, engineer them
>City Center/River/Commerce/Harbor synergy is OP as dicks
>Use your trade routes to get mad production and food from nothing. Remember to REBASE the Trader to the city which needs the bonuses. Usually I recommend one trade route in each expand back to capital
>If you do this properly, you will have one free trade slot from every city, perhaps two if you also have the opportunity to spam harbors
>Even without overtly abusing it, cutting in your borders is still infinitely better than sawmills, especially late in the game
>Getting the proper GPs is critical to win
>Don't overbuild your cities or you'll have zero fucking food, always consider if you REALLY need another Neighborhood or wonder
>Coast sucks dick, hard. The best coastal cities only have one coast tile, preferably at a river delta to dump a market
>ICS is the most powerful setup in the game
>Walls + Ranged will protect everything except border cities. Border cities need an encampment and another ranged unit to easily blast the AI's carpet of doom
>Rams fuck up your cities badly, always focus the living shit out of all units in range of a ram
>Don't wet yourself if you have to harvest a resource to plan a district. It's always fucking worth it if the resource is in the way of a district
>Don't build theatre districts unless you are going for a cultural victory, there are much more efficient ways to produce culture, and fast
>Don't build holy sites if you're not going for a Religious Victory, faith's only use without a religion is GP purchasing, and gold is infinitely better at that
>City state investing priority is Industrial, Science, Economic. Always put 1 in all of them if possible. 1 eureka/civics is actually shit, don't bother with it

>>159261865
>Governor Levels up
>Gets Substance Abuser as his level up when he's in his 30's
>Lives till 96 anyway

Guy had like a 30%+ chance of dying every month but just wouldn't, out lived two other governors

>>159267673
>industry not 2nd or first
nope

How many turns into a game do you guys usually say fuck it and conquer the world?

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>>159267507

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>>159267757
Turn Zero

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>eats solar flares
FUG

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>taking over your deity AI in the first few dozen turns
>start the game off with four cities

>>159267751

>Putting Industry first
>100 gold per turn and four floating trade routes which you can suddenly redirect to a new expand
>Versus hard building an industrial district in some desert shithole and hoping it will come online before the game ends

Nice meme

Maybe if commercial districts did not give you insane amounts of money, one of the three best GPs in the game (behind Scientists and Engineers), a free trade route slot, a massive synergy with Harbors (which ALSO give you gold, a trade route, and free production and food) and that gets adjacency from rivers, a feature that you will always want to settle in priority anyways

Compare that to some shitty brick cutting plaza that you unlock late and that produces jack until all the buildings are online

Industry is third and Commercial first because once you're rolling in hundreds of gold per turn, you can literally buy yourself an infrastructure

Science is second because Scientific GP points are so important it's obscene (only about 2-3 are bad, the rest are incredible) and science is always king in allowing you to pull ridiculous rushes

Industry is only useful to quickstart cities if you can buy yourself the buildings, and even then trade routes do it better, cheaper and also give tons of food

>>159267807
No one wants to try? Oh well...

>when the entire world tries to eleminate you for settling one city
>>159268119
You essentially have to, or else the AI will kek you until the modern age because of them having 10x as many districts as you.

Are there any penalties for settling on planets with wrong biome in DW, once you have the tech?

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>Endless Space
>going for the craver achievement for not depleting your home world by turn 80
>manage to roll two -%science events in a row
>still get to the locust point reduction tech
>no way to see number of locust points
>home world becomes depleted
>turn 69
>quit to desktop because the game was going nowhere anyway
Fuck, I want to get at least some completion on this game before 2 comes out but it's so samey after the first couple of playthroughs. I guess those achievements will go forever unachieved.

>>159268119
How did you do it? War Carts or what?

>>159268575
We told you it wasn't any good, anon.

>>159268232
I'd try but I'm only missing the ones I mentioned here >>159267507 and those aren't on sale, so, rip

Here's another question. For the early game in Civ 6, how do I make it so that doing literally anything doesn't take forever? Every time I start a new game, it's a good 100 turns before I even have anything at all. I've been focusing on food and bonus tiles. Should I just find a place with a lot of hills and settle there? Is it even worth it to move your settler around for the first few turns?

>>159268819
I'll probably do the same thing during the next massive sale at the end of the month.

>>159267965
It's piss easy. And rewards are shit.

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So what effects district costs again? Already built science and religion on my capital and when I plan to build more on the second city, the cost goes whack where some are twice as much than the other.

>>159268889
Yes. I move my warrior to a tile strategically to get max scouting info, and then I decide. I'd say settling on spot is actually the exception and not the rule for me. I usually take max 3 turns to settle

You want some hills for production, yes. Food isn't nearly as important because of Housing (although it is still very important). You also want a couple of mountains if you can, and a river for extra housing.

It is also pretty much always better to settle on a hill when you can, for the 2 food 2 hammer yield.

Also manage your citizens manually by locking tiles, don't let your AI governor do it because he's an idiot

Also rethink your starting build/tech order and try to exploit those eurekas when you can

>>159269332
>some are twice as much than the other.
read japans bonuses retard

>>159269483
derp, thanks

>>159269332
Districts get more expensive the more techs and civics you research, so it's useful to pre-place them. All unique districts in the game are 50% cheaper to build and ignore population limits, letting you spam them in every city. Also if you have less than an average number of a particular district you get a 25% discount on it.

>>159267374
and some coke please.

>>159270101
Diet coke

p-please r8 my stellaris build

Ethos:
-fanatic individualist
-materialist

Traits:
-enduring
-intelligent
-natural engineers
-sedentary
-deviants
(maybe swap out all the positive traits except for enduring for extremely adaptive and take an extra negative?)

Govt:
-direct democracy

Opinions?

>>159270825
better become a fanatic materialist 2bh.

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>declares surprise war on me
>pillages my shit making me waste 200000 turns repairing it because it costs 2000000 turns to repair districts for some fucking reason
>push him back
>i just want to live in my fucking flat tundra/desert with no fresh water abyss in peace
>make peace with him
>next turn he gets shitty at me because the religion I founded while we were at war hasn't spread to him even though he killed the one missionary i bought
>denounce him
>he says this
i fucking hate this game. even stellaris was better on release

>>159272623
>Literal "Dindunothin"

Pottery.

are there any mods for Stellaris that make planets with 25+ tiles actually be usable after the 25 mark ?

>>159268575
>cheevos
You deserve this.

>>159269332
>what affects district cost
go here https://www.random.org/ and generate a number
that's how much your district costs

How optimized is Civ 6? Is it significantly worse to run on a shittop than Civ 5?

>>159273170
if you can run civ 5 you can probably run civ 6
just play on smaller maps

Holy shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOqtedFUWQQ

>>159272908
what are you talking about? There are no planets with more than 25 tiles

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>spawned right next to a fucking human, militant isolationist fallen empire
Neat. Fucking kill me, but atleast that's pretty neat to see.
Really doesn't help that there's another fucking fallen empire to my right aswell. Guess I'll just restart again.

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Oh god I better run right?

>>159274558
I hope they purge you

I usually play Immortal. Gonna try Deity as Germany now. How much more do AI get on deity?

>>159270973
But normal individualist is useless, fanatic materialst is unable to deal with ethics

>>159274735
Don't have the details, but from my expirience it is pretty much same shit. This is because immortal already has extra settler.

>>159273731
fucking kek civ 6 is a piece of shit

>>159273731
It's interesting that this guy is the popular civ youtuber when he makes so many bad decisions. I get that a new player would probably make these choices, but if you have enough games of civ 6 under your belt to feel comfortable making youtube videos, you should really know more than this guy knows. Mistakes:

>creates a scout first.
If you are on anything higher than like prince then you should know that an extra slinger will be way more valuable even though it can't explore as fast
>doesn't just solo the barb camp to the left with his warrior by alternating healing and attacking.
The spearman doesn't heal and the camp won't spawn enemies while the warrior is next to it
>doesn't switch to archery tech immediately upon seeing the two barb camps
You don't have to start every game going towards archery, but if you have two fucking barb camps and you know you'll get screwed, you need to rush archers.
>creates a warrior instead of a slinger
come on. Archers/slingers are the only way to defend against early game barbs, how can he not know this

>>159275312
>>159275327
You realise game in the video is modded, right?

>>159275327
>The spearman doesn't heal and the camp won't spawn enemies while the warrior is next to it
It spawned 2 warriors while he was next to it.
Your early game build order shouldn't resolve entirely around not losing to barbarians because that is bad game design.

>>159275519
it said it was modded to have slower production. He could still handle those barb camps even with slow fucking production if he just knew how to play the game

>>159275635
>It spawned 2 warriors while he was next to it.
I've never had anything spawn while I was soloing an early game barb camp. Maybe it won't happen if the spearman is low enough or something.

>Your early game build order shouldn't resolve entirely around not losing to barbarians because that is bad game design.
Bad game design or not, it is the design of the game. This guy really should know that.

Im playing Stellaris and got the Gaia Terraforming ability.


How the hell do i get energy capacity to over 10,000? It seems capped at that.

Also is there any real reason to make Gaia Planets other than pretty?

>tfw you get to ignore the peace treaty a second after signing it by warring the guy your enemy signed a defensive pact with

help me out with city spots.

>>159276462
Gaia is 20% more habitable than your native type

>>159276462
I guess immigrants won't complain about moving to a planet that they can't live on.

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>>159277756
forgot pic

Im trying to take a city in Civ 6 but its really tough with a fucking encampment getting free shots on me every turn.

I googled an it told me to take it out by reducing its help, but there is no health, im standing on it and ghost archers continue to shoot me.
Is that a bug or did I miss something?

>>159276462

Gaias are always 100 % habitable, although a best tier world with a Hospital and both tiers of terraforming techs already has 100 % habitability by default, so it's useless

Only use is if there's a very bad modifier wrecking the habitability, like storms or bleak

Plus, the planets you'll usually make into Gaias are literally not the ones you've colonized, so unless you want to play God and turn shitty 20 % habitibility worlds in perfect planets, not much use

>download 1.7gb stellaris 1.3.1 with all the dlcs
>no comments on the torrent
>hit setup
>install file is only 5 mb
>wants to install to system 32 by default
could it be legit?

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What Ethos, Government, and Traits would you guys give to build the Advent, TEC, and Vasari from Sins of a Solar Empire in Stellaris?

>>159278435
city locations dont matter in civ 6 just fit in as many as you can for the aoe production/amneities bonus

>>159278542
it's a bug. I think encampments under construction can shoot or something. It's happened to me and it's really fucking annoying

>>159278968
RIP

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>>159279441
Great first experience, that explains why the encampment is just a bunch of rocks and sticksi n a circle.

>>159278968
that that xatab guy? it's some russian repack, dodgey as fuck

Do I suffer any penalties if I colonize a world at 60% habitability, but that later becomes 100%?

Should I wait until it's 100%?

Also, is it okay to have certain very inhospitable planets just colonized by droids? Does food basically not matter at all there?

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>>159278435
optimal city placement
t. civ 6 expert

>>159273731
>shitter gets rekt

shocking

>>159280375
no
no
yes, energy cost will be a big issue though
yes, bots dont need food

>>159267189
Cult. No joke.

>>159280556

>Three off the coast
>Two directly on resources

Are you high ?

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>tfw Civ V's spinoff was reincarnation of Alpha Centauri
>And not even a good reincarnation
>tfw we could have had a steampunk spinoff

>>159280786
I just woke up

How do you surmount the Stellaris endgame crises? It seems like it boils down to "you weren't focusing military the entire game? HAHA FUCK YOU"

>>159274728
what is that and how do I build one

>>159281479
Build up your military then.
I agree with you though, there should be some more ways to deal with crises than just superior firepower. Maybe something like building a beacon that attracts the scourge, send it outside of the galaxy, leading them away, or somehow reasoning with the machine consciousness, and something else for the unbidden.

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Can anyone explain to me the fucking restrictions on where i can build districts? I am constantly baffled by it, although i'm sure there must be something simple I'm missing.

Example: Why can't I buy a tile for which to build my district here? Specifically in this example I'm trying to build an industrial district.

pls help

>>159282254
maybe actually buy the tile before trying to place it? you know? was that so hard?

>>159282254
The UI is a bit retarded. Sometimes it wouldn't let me buy the tile in the same screen, I'd have to go to the buy tile screen, buy it, and then build district screen. And then sometimes I'd be fucked because the tile wasn't compatible with districts and I didn't know, like Flood Plains if you're not egypt, or oasis, etc.

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>>159282528
fuck off retard
Example of how the game allows you to buy tiles in the same view as choosing your district location

>>159282601
Thanks, I might try that.

But what are these restrictions then? I dont want to buy the tile if I can't build there. The civiloshitopedia doesn't explain 75% of the game mechanics anymore because it needs to tell me about history or some gay shit. Like the entries for districts dont go into detail about where they can and can't be built.

>>159282679
no shit it shows "recommended" tiles and you can buy some tiles but it doesn't let you just buy every tile because that would be too complex for retards like you

you were asking for help like pls help i cant buy tiles without this system working pls help

>>159281939
I agree that the end game crises do provide a clear "end game" that you should be building towards, but sometimes a nice space opera is unfolding or whatever and then they come in at about 150 years and shit up everything.

>>159282965
Why the fuck would it not just give me the option to purchase the tiles that are available, that's fucking stupid. So is there no restriction on where districts can be built, then, aside from Harbors and aqueducts or whatever else needs to be built adjacent to capital?

Firaxis is shit

>>159283051
>warmongering advanced intergalactic beings aren't letting me enjoy my orange juice on my comfy planets with my asshole federation friends
you galaxy was lost you moment you started

>>159283295
Well, I guess I wouldn't mind it so much if the AI also cared that the Tyranids just invaded.

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>dat research speed
how am I doing?

>>159280556
Wanted to reply, but >>159280786 beat me to it. I don't think I'll listen to you, mate, but thanks for the reply.

>>159279189
>Fanatic Spiritualist, Collectivist, Divine Mandate.
>Agrarian, Rapid Breeders, Weak.

Trader Emergency Coalition:
>Fanatic Materialist, Individualist, Plutocratic Oligarchy.
>Industrious, Thrifty, Deviants, Sedentary.

Vasari Remnant:
>Fanatic Xenophobe, Militarist, Military Dictatorship.
>Intelligent, Talented, Repugnant, Slow Breeders.

>>159282254
A board game is comin. Prepare yourselves.

>>159283497
>Gaia Creation.

Why bother?

Am I the only person who likes Civ 6 less than Civ 5?

So, how's the next Stellaris update looking?

Who is best waifu?

I vote Auriga

>>159284471
How many mods do you have installed for 5?

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>>159284548
Really nice. I'm having fun.

Fuck me lads, I'm getting tempted to actually buy it. Talk me out of it and help me keep my pirate ways.

I played this civ like a long time ago. Or alpha centauri like I guess is the better word for it. The way they did production in it was perfect, as it was global or shared across cities or something like that, but I can't for the life of me remember any details about it other than that. It was on steam. Anyone have any sweet fucking clue what I am on about?

>>159286218
I meant the upcoming one, Kennedy.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/978042

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-51-extradimensionals-and-precursors.979890/

>>159286218
its overpriced

I am fond of miner's wife.

>>159286446

I am fond of your wife ;3

>>159268575
I somehow got that achievement by accident at one point.

For culture victory in 6 how important are wonders? Is it better to go France to get the double tourism from wonders or go America to get the double city tourism from Film Studios? Is the tourism game like Civ 5 where most of the tourism affects other in the Modern Era and on, or is it something that's at equal importance all game?

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>>159274443
sure there are, unless this shit is due to some mod

What's the noblebrightest faction in endless legend? I think i'ma play that.

>>159287948
yeah that'll be a mod mate

>>159287598
It more or less work the same way Civ V did; culture is defense, tourism is offense. Wonders by itself generate culture and tourism points so it's better to have them, more so when you have civic policies that boosts their output. If you lucked out of having good production to build wonders in timely manner, your only choice to to generate lots of Great People and build lots of museums to house their works instead. As for France/America thing, I haven't played enough to know which is better since every map generated plays differently.

>>159288041
well shit

>>159288124
Forgot to mention you can steal artworks with spies now or just go and war someone with the highest culture output to stunt them and grab their wonders and great works for yourself.

>>159287969
Vaulters, WW (although I don't know if they have a good ending or not), and the Brokenlords kind of.

>>159286389
I'm more hyped for the next big patch + actual expansion.

Diplomacy and comfy tall empires will finally be worth a shit.

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>>159289067
>tall empires will finally be worth a shit.
kek

>>159286389
>Ability to construct space habitats and ringworlds.
muh dik
this better fucking happen

>>159289067
with 'colonise unlimited' and the 'land reclamation' mod you can pretty much build tall empires already by terra-forming everything in your local systems

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this bitch use this CB on me in 1100 BC it is supposed to require modern era...

>>159291019
slaughter her people and make her your concubine

>>159291019
Mind posting the civic tree? She might have bee lined towards it from the start.

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>be mushroom people
>meet one of my neighbours
>sweet they are mushrooms too
>fanatical purifiers

>>159284965
>wanting used goods`

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Sleep tight Phill.

How exactly do captured spies work? I captured a couple, and the asshole who put them there keeps asking for them back. Does this mean he can't get more?

>>159292780
Why is he smiling?

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>tfw casual 3 turn institute while pumping out units

>>159293525
He knows he can finally leave this shitty game now.

>>159293681
I really don't know why so many people are playing it still, it's awful.

>>159293875
It's fine. It's just the AI and diplomacy which is fucked. We just need a patch or two to fix it. Or mods.

>can't name cities
>can't name religions unless you pick a meme one
>no indication of where or when your borders expand
>no notification for when they do expand or grow
>cannot avoid growth
>no production queue
>cannot see what your building or district is providing you once it's built
>everything about the religious lens
>90% of the UI things take a fucking turn to update
I am fond of unifinished UIs.

>>159293968
I agree that a patch could do wonders and make it a great game, but having AI this bad is unacceptable. It breaks the game. It's not entertaining to watch an AI shuffle units around inside your borders for no reason.

I'm not touching that shit until it's taken care of.

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>>159291085
>ywn be cleo's concubine

Stellaris is way more fun than Civ 6 right now, desu.

>>159293968
>implying the balance isn't also fucked

So witht he AOE industrial zones, is it even competitive to not go putting all the industrial zones all in the center of a ring of cities. Seems like you cant beat that production

Is hyperlanes still miles better than the other 2 starting travel types?
Are tachyon lances still meme weapons?

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>>159294717

Do you guys prefer EU4 or CK2?

inb4 go to /gsg/, I don't want to...

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>>159295095

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Yeeeaaah

Yeeeaaah

>>159295174
go to /gsg/

eu4 has terrible core mechanics
ck2 runs like shit after 150 years even on good machines and every expansion after the old gods made it worse but I like it

>>159294717
ew

>>159295058
>hyperlanes
yes
>tachyon lances
if by meme weapons you mean not nearly as good as they used to be and not really worth it now then yes

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In Stellaris, if my idea of ship design is just

1. Go to ship design menu
2. Select default corvette/destroyer/etc
3. Press 'clear'
4. Press 'autofill'
5. Save
6. Upgrade ships

Am I doing it right? Or is the AI oblivious to good ship design?
I also didn't see auto-upgrading doing anything.

Do you make your own ship models or do you just go default and straight upgrade?

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>>159295174
It's time laddo

>>>/gsg/

The liquor factories await you m'lord.

And it depends on what you want, EU4 is about entire nations, CK2 is about dynasties and the people

>>159295293
>the shitty council dlc comes out for ck2
>it also makes aggressive expansion a thing in ck2 because that's everyone's favourite mechanic
>the pope forms coalitions against you for retaking holy lands by yourself
I think they fixed it but hot fucking damn was it retarded.

>>159295293
>>159295463
I'm scared though. Does going to /gsg/ mean I've gone off the deep end? Will I be able to recover?

I'm not familiar with their board culture so I have no idea what horrors await me.

>>159295432
>Am I doing it right?
no
>Or is the AI oblivious to good ship design?
yes
>Do you make your own ship models or do you just go default and straight upgrade?
yes

>>159295432
i have no idea how good the auto fill is, never used it
you'll want to specialise your ships eventually so manually building your ships is something you'll have to get used to
auto upgrade is used only to upgrade the already put in place parts to the next tier, if an upgrade means it will go in the negative on power it will not be upgraded, dont know if it upgrades the pieces on the right, the thrusters and the tactical computer

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Has anyone had any luck with a religious victory on the higher difficulties?
I've won games with the 3 other victory conditions on immortal+ but I can't seem to win a religious victory.
The effects already don't seem that great and I'm pretty much always the last one to get my prophet so I can't even get the best beliefs.
Not to mention I've gimped myself by rushing holy sites instead of settlers and campuses.
To top it all off usually I already have missionaries from other civs crawling up my ass so getting any kind of foothold in my own territory is incredibly difficult.
Am I just bad or did I fall for the meme?

>>159295664
>I'm not familiar with their board culture
who gives a flying fuck. Just go in there and trigger them with whatever stupid questions you have.

>>159295432
AI is complete garbage in designing ships and it usually just sticks the biggest gun it can find for the ship.

The combat is more complex than it looks, a fleet with no specialized ships can easily get rekt by fleets that have them.

I don't want to play Alpha Centauri, any of the civ games, Stellaris, or Endless Space or Legend (because I don't have all the DLC for the other one), but I want to play a 4x. What the fuck do I do?

>>159295932
Thea: The Awakening

>>159295932
play Risk

>>159295932
kys

>>159295990
Neat

>>159295932
Age of Wonders III

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>>159260865
>1. Install Stellaris Asari species mod.
>2. Play as Xenophobic Imperialists Slavers.
>3. Acquire lube.
>4. ???
>5. Profit.

>>159295932
Distant Worlds

My game is crashing on small maps in the first few turns. I have had zero crashes while playing normal to huge-sized maps. What the hell is going on?

>>159295932
>>159296732
Distant worlds universe.

>>159296806
This is civ 6 btw.

I am really struggling to enjoy civ 6 desu.
>every start is half tundra half desert
>no reroll start option
>it doesn't civ start settings so have to remake the game
the third option isn't really that important desu since there's only 2 fucking settings anyway

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Rate my religion famalam
Catholic, divine spark, jesuit education, tithe, 30% distance, +2 food building.

>>159267673
>Don't build theatre districts unless you are going for a cultural victory, there are much more efficient ways to produce culture, and fast
What did he mean by this?

>>159298079
>Not cathedrals to Complete the Set
so close, yet so far

>>159298079
>Roman Catholic
DEUS VULT

Is there a good stellaris shipbuilding guide out there? I have no idea what to do and no idea what the differences between the different weapons are even, and I don't want to go through twenty games just to experiment myself.

>>159283808
R8?

>>159298585
Someone posted some good reddit page links in the previous(?) thread. They had some great info in them.

>>159298585
it fucking spells out what the difference between the weapons are you turbo faggot
lasers are good against armor, shit against shields
missiles/torps good againt shields, shit against armor
kinetics good against both
X weapon slot is shit, you get more damage with a L+M or whatever the other options are
USE PD

I updated my BIOS recently and now Civ seems to crash when I start scrolling with the arrow keys. Has anyone had a similar issue?

Is the wargame general dead? I can't find it.

>>159298585
Why don't you go ask the new stellaris general?

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>>159299631
>he fell for the update BIOS meme

>>159299793
are buttmad /gsg/ autists crossposting again? Stellaris is 4x, deal with it.

>>159299869
never said it wasn't, just it should have it's own general so it isn't shitting up the civ convo

>>159299923
>shitting up the civ convo
Oh excuse me, suddenly the 4X general needs to accommodate only one of its games because (You) say so?

>>159299923
Stellaris is the reason this general exists in the first place.

Fuck off back to /gsg/ autist.

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>>159300078
>>159300118
Samefagging isn't going to make your point any better. You know we are right

>>159299923
This is /civ4xg/. Not /civ/.

None of the games discussed here could survive on their own for more than a few months.

I play both civ and Stellaris.

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>>159300184
Sorry, try again.

>>159300184
>49 seconds apart
>samefagging
dumb frogposter

>>159300249
speaking of autists

>>159300184
/civ4xg/ was never just /civ/ and we've always been open to the most flexible definition of "4x"

Kindly fuck off back to /gsg/ with your autism.

>>159300342
>refuting a claim with the mere press of a key is now autistic

nice meme

Jesus christ you guys are easy to bait. That guy isn't even bothering to hide it and you just keep giving him You's.

>>159300391
>trying to explain how you aren't just as autistic as anyone on /gsg/
The autism is strong here, you are only proving why we should split it.

>>159300492
go back to /gsg/

>>159300538
stop replying

>>159300538
Actually I play Stellaris and Civ, I am just saying a little segregation never hurt anyone

http://www.nexusmods.com/civilisationvi/mods/17/?
http://www.nexusmods.com/civilisationvi/mods/16/?
http://www.nexusmods.com/civilisationvi/mods/22/?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/resources/better-trade-screen.25406/
http://forums.civfanatics.com/resources/next-city-plot-by-ace.25437/
Those ones look bretty gud. Recommend me some other mods

>>159300616
I hear the "Uninstall" mod is pretty good.

>>159300563
inshallah we are a multicultural general

if you want a racist neo nazi autist general you can go to /gsg/

>>159299802
Well I wasn't going to just sit by and have my audio constantly popping.

>>159300685
That's called modern music, anon.

>>159300706
Anon pls.

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>>159300652
Are we just going to let anyone post then? People will come in here and start talking about heroes of might and magic or some shit. We need a safe space where we can talk civ.

>>159300803
this general was literally rebirthed by stellaris and till the release of civ 6 was mostly EL and Stellaris discussion

>>159300803
>not discussing both at the same time

>>159300803
civ 6 talk is already dying because the game is a piece of shit currently

>People are seriously still replying to the shitposter

Did we not learn our lesson from /gsg/?

>>159301207
It's just the some dude samefagging

>>159298079
>cities are small so tithe isn't as good
>religious pressure is fucking nothing
>gurdwaras are shit because you need to build holy site + shrine + temple + gurdwara just to get 2 food

>>159301423
to be fair that last bit could go for just about any religious building. There's a significant cost to getting any of them. It's part of why religion is so shit tier right now.

>>159301482
All of them bar maybe the ones that have the art slots and the +1 apostle/missionary charge ones are shit.

>head of federation in stellaris
>supply vast majority of federation fleet
>ship's kitted out perfectly
>can take on literally one
>ai takes over federation
>all ships auto change immediately to ai kit
>fleet got wiped in first prolonged encagement with a woke empire
>had to take two of my war fleets off their war path to save what little was left of it
fucking AI i swear, can't do jack shit correctly

>>159300803
homm is not a 4x, stellaris is

>>159300903
>was mostly EL
Nope.
When I readded EL to the subject text in june/july no one was talking about it. Civ5 was discussed more than EL.

>make a trade route
>the trader can go through my city, taking the same number of tiles to get to the destination city and giving me +1 gold for the trading post
>it doesn't and passes the city 1 tile the south before turning north the very next hex.

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>>159301537
>he fell for the federation meme

>>159295932
You play master of magic or age of wonders 2 or 3

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>>159301652
_ ____ __ ____ ____ ______!

>>159301652
Yeah well, now i know better

Jesus Christ do antiquity sites really make a tile useless? That's one reason to build Archeologist Museums right there.

I haven't played Stellaris since 1.0, so wanted to ask if this was a recent change: The game seems to classify all newly encountered aliens as alpha/beta/gamma/x aliens, and only upon study does it tell you if they are actually other factions or just the random space barbarians.

Is that new or did I not notice that? Any way, I like it. Makes more sense, we wouldn't instantly know if these are space amoebae or another alien race.

>>159302598
I dont remember if it was in vanilla but it's been in for a long time, at least from 1.2, probably earlier

>>159302598
it's always been that way

>>159264268
I kind of like the sector idea, one person cannot rule an effective administration on multiple planets. It also creates a Dune vibe since they're kinda like vassals

>>159274443
I had a 27 tiles planet, no mods involved

any good civ 6 mods yet

>>159303252
but there's no room for those extra 2 tiles

kind of odd to see stellaris takes home in this thread instead of gsg.

>>159303551
/gsg/tards threw an autism fit and exiled stellaris to it's own thread which later lead to the recreation of /civ4xg/

also it's a 4x-GS hybrid

>>159303551
Because /gsg/ is full of retards.

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no idea how many games I played
I never had this one

will alpha centauri ever get a re-release? I dont mind the visuals, even if shit is hard to discern, but the UI and controls are pure cancer

>>159304837
Just like then entire game.

>>159264837
It's turn 23 and you have 0 units near your capital, what the shit are you doing? Please tell me you're playing on Marathon, or else this is just pathetic.

>>159304837
Beyond Earth :^)

>>159305215
too soon

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Well this sure is an interesting game.
My expansion is totally blocked by stacks of crystalline entities, pirates and automated dreadnough, but I just found a ringworld to exploit and it's giving me a huge edge in technology over my 2 rivals.

>>159261452
What game?

>>159304837
>owned by EA
god i hope not

>>159304880
>>159305215
>>159305853
I just want better controls

so i saw Civ 6 for like $40~ on greenmangaming

do you guys think its worth it, i don't think its the digital deluxe version

>>159306337
The game is like 5 gb, pirate it and see it yourself

>>159306337
Just pirate it.

>>159306337
steal it yo

>>159306375
>>159306474
>>159306951
where @?

>>159306337
If you have V with BNW then no. The current AI is fucked and without expansions, VI doesn't have much over V.
And mods.

>>159307116
Pretty sure you know where to find torrents, famicom.

>>159307116
Are you new to the internet?

>never played a Civ game
>bored and decide to buy VI
>think it's great fun, some minor flaws but overall a very enjoyable experience
>go to /vg/ to see what people are talking about
>everyone hates it

It must be a downgrade from V for most people, then?

>>159307310
Only people that like are those who have been paid.

>>159307310
V was AWFUL at release, but currently with expansions, patches it's great
VI is much better than V at release but it's still pretty shit, some big flaws and balancing issues

>>159307310
it seems like Civ games are only fixed via DLC

>>159307310
Not exactly a downgrade, it's just civ5/BE all over again with poorly thought out mechanics and shitty AI.

>>159305779
its stellaris with improved population mod

>>159307418
Recent tread. First 4 were great.

>>159307310
Civ games are similar to Paradox games, they're not that good at launch but are eventually fixed by patches and DLC

>>159307393
>>159307460
Civ5 in it's current state is great and an excellent value during steam sales, $12.50.

Civ 6 has potential, but
>the UI needs an overhaul (can be easily fixed)
>the military and diplomacy AI is abysmal, too easy to exploit
>no diplomatic victory condition
>the balance is broken (Scythians, etc.)

These are MAJOR issues, but they are glaring issues at very high difficulties. A deity game should not be a trivial victory once you withstand the early barbarian rush.

Still the best main theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPXOwjsjZuI

You know what stellaris needs

trade routes

And specializing the fuck out of planets

>Have an agriworld
>provides food to most of the sector
>Enemy empire blows it the fuck up
>Sector starts rioting because they literally have no food

I need it

I'm currently at two offensive and one defensive wars with militaristic population, yet I'm not getting a happiness boost.
How come? I thought my dudes liked to fight

>>159308206
Post screens of your pops.

>>159308193

The most important is more portraits. RP is the strong point of the game so it should be prime focus.

>>159308303
Don't meme on me boy

>>159308273
No you fucking pervert

>>159307310
>>everyone hates it
What? I love it and enjoy it but there is really nothing to talk about or post here

>>159308303
People like you make Stellaris worse. Last thing we need is more DLC made just for portraits.

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>>159308193
>>159308303
>>159308327

>>159308365
>not just torrenting dlc
they can release as much as they want I dont give a fuck. I agree with other anon though. Lots more portraits and emblems are needed. My most fun games were when I was roleplaying. It gets pretty boring otherwise

>>159308528
The meme has gone too far.

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>>159308303
this
>>159308626
'no'

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>>159267717
I remember when I had a governor who was old as shit and still wouldn't die, even when it said he had a 100% or greater chance of dying. I think he was still alive when I ultimately quit my saved game and uninstalled out of boredom.

(This was before the patch that adds awakened empires and sheeeit, by the way)

>>159308694
Try again with update. it's more fun.

>>159308193

I don't think simple tweaks can fix that mess. Paradox couldn't decide whether they want 4x, rts, or gsg. And they added muh e-sports too boot.
As others have said the game's good only for fucking around with meme empires.

Does the sector AI ever actually purge pops? The purging takes such a long time now it's difficult to capture a planet, purge the population and have it be in a sector.

>>159309149
Last I played, I think you can manually purge sector pops and the sector AI won't cancel or stop the purging.

>>159309149
I've found cleansing the planet to be more economical timewise instead of ceding it and purging. Just have a colony ship ready to go

>>159309246
I wish It worked like that. The purge button is greyed out and it's telling me that I cannot manage pops located inside sectors.

If I take the planet out of the sector, initiate purge on the entire anime girl population on it and put it back in the sector, the sector AI will just stop the purge and put them back into sex-slavery.