/pgdg/ - Professional Game Development General

GMS2 beta's open again lads, get it while it's hot

>>159211284
>p
>game maker
hahah

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This is my first time using surface in GM:S, can anyone help me figure out why I'm not seeing this line drawn to the screen?

I'm trying to draw somehting at base resolution and then scale it up, so there will be no mixels

>>159211365


>>p

what

>>159211484
see OP

>>159211508

So you ment Professional? And Gamemaker isn't professional?

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>>159211365
>>159211484
>>159211508
>>159211545

We are in the big league now boys.

Critique on another one of my advertising images appreciated.

>>159211718
Too many goddamn words

>>159211718

> Big league
> 5 posters

> Where amateur has 50

>>159211284
free version is "windows test version"
why shud i use it?

>>159211784

Oops ment 154 posters.

>>159211784
>>159211853

It was a fucking joke you nerds.

This is agdg.

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>>159211951

> Lol I was only pretending to be retarded
> Joke's on you!

I urge you to stop trying.

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>>159212046
What is this nightmarish hellscape?

This can't be real, right?

>>159212046
did he cried?

>>159212046
what the fuck

>>159210961
Do you think oversaturation of the market and the need to appeal to everyone is failing to create new consumers?
It used to be that you got yes made especially for kids and gales for teenagers and adults but nowadays you see 9 year olds playing call of duty and the non call of duty games more often than not share mechanics for the sake of it
A kid growing up nowadays would think hitman is the same as Batman games and who could blame them?
Granted pc is a safe heaven with tons of games but too many games + too little exposure + a group of assholes that want to monopolize the non AAA market for themselves

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How do you make portals like these in Unity?

>>159213004
>failing to create new consumers?
Gaming has been opening up new markets for years now, and its revenue rivals that of movies and music in the west
While AAA must take the safe route and make games that have a large appeal, indie games has risen to fill the many niches left behind.

>>159213093
that has nothing to do with gaming itself and its completely because of economical growth and globalism, there are plenty of countries that jumped from a snes t a playstation 2 and to an xbox 360 a couple years later
indiegames fill the niche
>on pc
>with no media exposure so good luck finding out about them
>with a widespread idea that indie games are ony dear esther or rougelikes

like it or not /v/ and reddit is our audience

>>159213021
I'd probably make all the geometry overlapping, and use a combination of camera culling masks and shaders to selectively view each portal realm

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>>159178605
I'm here. I'd love to help you in any way I can (I'm not really good at anything inn particular, but even the smallest role would be fine). As I said, what you're making is basically my dream game and I'm not confident I can make it on my own, at least not with my current level of ability.

I don't have steam though, but I do have discord. Otherwise we can keep in touch by mail or something.

> tfw working on 5 small projects
> always hard to decide which one I want to focus on for the day

>>159213021
isn't that unity?

the skybox on the left looks like the default unity one

Who /gamemaker2/ here?

>>159213551

I understand, atleast from a graphical standpoint, but I think in Unity you can only have one skybox material per scene and it almost looks like the is transitioning scenes, even though it could be also that the only real skybox the the standard Unity one in the left portal and all the other skyboxes are just 3d spheres or something, even though I still don't fully understand how you would transition objects smoothly through portals.

So is anyone here actually in the GM2 beta?

Are there any actual relevant features you can tell us about apart from "drag 'n' drop = blueprints now" and "wow you can draw fire while it's animating".

>>159214056
Since the Unity skybox is very limited you probably need to write your own shader or do the Source trick if you want a 3D one.

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>have slacked off working on my games for months
>was working with GM:S
>GM:S 2 is now in beta
Made me realize how much of a nodev I am. I-I guess I'll make my game on GM:S 2. I had always envisioned making it on GM:S, but now...

So how is /agdg/ feeling about it? Have they fixed the most problematic parts of GM:S? Anything new that is radically different/better so far?
Had this in my emails, haven't watched it yet but have a look : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7KxgqQzTak

>>159214054
me

though I'm not going to anything with it until it launches properly

>>159214089
I've only messed around with it for like 15 minutes, but you can tell it's designed to be easier to work in. UI is a lot more customizable, things flow nicely.

Also Animated backgrounds and tiles, plus the ability to view animations in the room editor is really nice

>>159212046
That place must have a fuckhuge waiver to sign

>>159212046
>multiple layers of safety to catch the kid after the first hole.
>Unluckly falls through each hole while spinning.

KEK

>>159212046
did he died?

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>>159213565
looks familiar...
game about raping campers?

>>159214574
>gogem thinks he invented that kind of UI
wow man, just wow

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>>159214574
No gogem I didn't copy you.

>>159214659
i invented radial UI selection of your mom's genitals

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>>159214769
that proves you did in fact copy my concept of radial UI in raping simulators.

>>159214769
>>159214894
>not knowing how to format your date properly
its right in every 4chan post you cretins

>>159214894
So where is your game?

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>>159214169

I bought GM:S while I've been working with another toolset, and I told myself I'd use it when I finish up.

I have yet to finish my first project and now GM:S 2 is coming out. I say fuck it, if GM:S 2 is a massive improvement I'll just bite the bullet and buy it at a discount

>>159215009
on itchio and steam

>>159215097
Why not here?

>>159215130
4chan doesnt have any infrastructure for selling games.

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Would anyone know how to fix this?

I'm currently using
Quaternion.LookRotation(movement, hit.transform.up)
which works except for when going up and down it seems to flip the rotation it should be doing.

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>unity crashes every other time playing in editor

>>159215214
Why do you post here?

>>159215251
thats deep

>owlboy releases
>it's yet another amazing 2D indie game made in game maker

reminder that if you're making a 2D game in ANYTHING other than GM, you're a fool

>>159215284
Daily reminder that ironic, self aware shitposting is still shitposting

>>159215345

>owlboy
>gamemaker

Are you SURE, Anon? I thought it was XNA

>>159215427
>>159215345
wikipedia says XNA

>>159212046
Kek, who the hell thought this is a good idea. Kinda reminds of fucking around with garrysmod ragdolls.

Give me an idea i can finish in a week.

>>159215552
Tic Tac Toe

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I got scrolling level transitions working. It was a huge pain to get working with the camera trapping system.

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Doesn't show up well in the pic but the hardware visualizer reacts to things now, unfortunately its either a fake 5-15%, or maxed out at 100 for the most part. Maybe making each poll bar an average of the last two would make it look nicer.

>>159215694
>shoot rounded white space squares
>they bleed

>>159216253
they are filled with meat in case the other robots get hungry

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>>159215694
Looks pretty frantic for how cute the art is

So how does ludum dare work if you enter the compo? Do you have to provide a stream/recording of your entire process so they make sure you aren't using old libraries/assets?

I mean I wouldn't cheat regardless. But how do they know people aren't using old libraries that they made themselves?

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> Call thread professional
> shit posting stops immediately

I'm actually impressed.

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I also have non-scrolling transitions looking better now, though they are more suited for doors that are in the middle of levels instead of on the edge.

>>159216437
Hachiko has a hard life.

>>159210961
>implying young girls spend their time on the computer
>implying girls have messy rooms
>implying girls dev
>implying girls wear no pants at home
>implying NEET girls exist
>further implying NEET girls are cute
TRIGGERED

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Progresso report part 2

Does agdg like these colors edition?

>>159216570
That's because googs is sleeping

If you know anything about ss13, you know that it has a shitty closed source engine of Byond that severely limits it. As coders of ss13, we always secretly or openly desire to remake it on a different engine, in fact you could say this is the ultimate goal of any ss13 coder. The problem has always been that not a single group has ever gotten past the backend stages, we cant choose an engine that works, we cant decide what libraries should be used, we're a mess.

So /pgdg/, what is the best route of attack to remake ss13, what is the best engine for it? Is it even possible for a bunch of developers who have never seen the inside of a game engine to create one for their needs?

We need:
>good 2D support
>networking
>multiplayer functionality, 20-100+ players range
>open source, to fix the primary reason Byond kills us
>relatively speedy language, no VM bullshit like Byond was
>compiles and runs on Linux+Windows (no one gives a fuck about apple)
>clientside processing with thin client, Byond has given us literally ZERO clientside processing of any kind

>>159216920
Social Interaction Trainer got released on Steam
its sad that it wasn't a bigger deal on /agdg/ but thats the price of namefag notoriety

>>159216794
>tfw all of these apply to me
Don't just go on assuming we don't exist, anon.

>>159217050
traps are not girls

>>159217046
>paying for flash minigame

>>159216894
thanks doc

>>159217050
rotate yourself 360d and leave

>>159215231
Better stop writing such shitty code

>>159217043
I was planning on making something VERY similar (basically SS13 but with old school MUD interface) to this, basically NOPE'd the fuck out once I realised how complex it would be.

I tried reading "Game Engine Architecture" but that book kind of sucked. IDK what other books might be better.

What's less time consuming, 2D or 3D?

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Would you play a game where you were a cute wolf or fox girl?

>>159217598
2D

>>159217612
Is the game good?

I don't care about character design.

>>159217612
Yes I awoould

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>Want to pirate shitty old game for reference
>Pirate Bay claims it's too dangerous without paying for VPN

Are they just making an excuse to start shilling or is it actually too dangerous to pirate?

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>>159215229
bunny should be standing vertical anyways.

>>159217554
Yeah, the fact that no reasonable ss13 dev has any experience with engines or networking has really been what caused the ss13 'curse'. Every one of us wants it, but absolutely no one has the knowledge or experience to make a backend for it, we've even tried piling onto various projects that have promise but they always fail due to poor choices and arguments over the engine architecture.

>>159217612
There's not enough of this type of game.

>>159217659

I think for now I might just go back to that. but they did in mario 64!!

>>159217658
In my years of pirating I have never gotten a copyright claim from anyone other than a big movie studio and a select few television networks. You're fine.

>>159217658
>honeypot bay
medium goy

>>159217684
>this type of game.

HE DIDN'T EVEN MENTION GAMEPLAY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>159217658
I had one of these things

No way that guy didn't know which one would set it off, the trigger tooth has a very slight resistance to it that he should have been able to feel.

>>>/wsg/1376428

So I added some sounds to the ice sword and now frozen dudes explode into icicles and ice cream.

>>159217658
It's just shilling. Normal users don't need VPN.

You only would need VPN if you torrented fucktons of shit and seeded more than you downloaded (on public tracker).

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>>159213004

I think the triple A monopoly is creating an feeling of despondence among gamers. A lack of creativity and innovation in triple A titles is forcing consumers to look for other niche gaming markets. This is good for indie games in my opinion. Let the big gaming companies dig their own graves and smaller game developers can reap the rewards. Creative focus generates innovation. Forcing rules and lack of resources on indie projects pushes indie developers to come up with new and original game ideas that can be done on a small budget. Experienced gamers love those kinds of games, because they are fresh.

Personally I think there are two kinds of people, gamers and non-gamers. Games appeal to a large percentage of the population, but some people just don't like them, regardless of platform. An over-saturated market forces developers to push their games beyond industry expectations and thus, rise to the top of the pile.

Overcrowding is good, it saps resources and makes species more aggressive. We, as indie developers, can use this saturation to push our products and appeal to despondent gamers who have grown sick of the triple A markets.

This is the greatest time in history to be an independent developer. Small teams, creative projects, limited deadlines, no publishers, crowd funding, making games for gamers rather than suits.

Get into it boys, make those games.

>>159217768
3rd person ARPG.

>>159217784
what if the guys who played were drunk? I mean I wouldnt do that if I weren't really hammered.

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So what game are you making for Dino Jam?

>>159217726
Well I'm sure it's technically simpler to angle the whole character than to adjust foot placement to prevent excessive clipping. And for something like Sonic where you're running loops or those Bowser parts in M64 where you basically run vertical up those special walls it makes sense. But bodies in the real world do not tilt perpendicular to angled ground obviously because they'd be off balance.

>>159217801
That's really fucking good. How long have you been working on this? What engine? What will the game be about?

>>159212046
This is hilarious

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>>159217949

It's just a doom mod so don't get too hyped. I've been working on this project for like, 2 years now though.

the gist of the mod is you control a manlet knight and you go fuck up demons in a fashion inspired by the Dungeons & Dragons beat 'em ups, Magic Sword, and Ghosts n Goblins

I'm eventually gonna add more playable characters, I got a special one planned on the backburner, as well as a warforged and a Kobold.

>>159217906
You would do that if you were really drunk?

You're retarded anon. Its okay there are support groups available and you can get neetbux from the government.

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>>159217657
sir please do not

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>>159218180

>>159217237
>paying for entertainment
all of art is a luxury item that could be substituted with real life.

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>>159218180

>>159217923
I have an idea, but the scope might be too big for a jam. I'll probably just start now to try to get it mostly done.

I'm going to make a game where you genocide all monstergirls.

>>159218564
delet this

>>159218564
You could have simply said "I'm going to make a game for fags".

Show me some good low poly

>>159218065
If there was enough money in.

>>159218502

>lewd mothgirl

about goddamn time

>>159218739
Good low poly isn't a style, because good "low poly" models are those that hide their polygons as effectively as possible, so in 99% of cases you might as well not be using low poly models.

Prove me wrong.

>>159217043
It's doomed, byond for all its shit features allow even a retard to do something with the game without having to worry about networking and client-server interaction, this is big, the moment you take that away is the moment most wannabe devs won't even bother trying to learn how it work.

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>>159218739

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>>159218902
>anything with visible polygons is now considered low-poly

>>159219072
Do you know what low poly means?

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r8 my portals

https://my.mixtape.moe/bwpkjo.webm

>>159219125
No, because it's definition has clearly changed.

>>159218849
In some respects its true, but working on a project that exists is much easier for amateurs to begin and learn coding as there is always small things to do that teach them the basics of OOP and then grow their skills. That's why SS13 has grown virally into so many different codebases. But you're right, making a new project having to make these considerations is a huge stopping point that would break anyone.

>>159219183
nice bitrate

>>159219282
I know right
Recommend me a better webm recorder pls
mine is fucking terrible

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>>159219191
Then why do you talk about it?

>>159218902

>little skeleton knight bro

Tell me more

>>159219309
it's not the recorder fault
it's the limitation of the video compression
*noisy* things severely decrease picture quality

>>159219390
The recorder only records at shitty bitrates and if you increase it to something reasonable it crashes if the resolution is over like 300x300

So what agdg characters need r34?

>>159219445
have you tried obs?

>>159219452
all of them

>>159219452

Could always do with more moth girl.

>>159219502
Okay. Which one first?

>>159217043
I don't know shit about networking, but as someone who both played SS13 and used SFML I definitely think making a SS13 clone in SFML with C++ is doable without a lot of complications. (And it's as free as free beer can be and works on Windows/Linux and Mac.)

But again I know jackshit about how you'd do the networking, though SFML does have both UDP and TCP sockets ( and provides basic networking support).

Also be aware that it's just a multimedia library and doesn't have stuff like pixel perfect transparency collision detection out of the box or such stuff like you'd find in a game engine.

>>159219330
Because the new definition is fucking retarded created by nu male hipsters, and I'll keep pretending it doesn't exist.

>>159219594
What's the old definition?

>>159219594
> nu male hipsters
You people are like old folks with how you peg all of your problems on a single stereotype that barely actually exists

>>159219594
Maybe if you spent less time bitching about definitions and more time making games, you wouldn't be such a whiny baby.

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>>159219575
hoo boy we got another one boys

>>159219542
Since Charlotte, Bunny and Vampire already have at least suggestive fanart I would go for Maid.

>>159219665
>>159219672
Judging by all this triggering, I think I figured out why /agdg/ is so shit nowadays: it's infested with nu-males and hipsters.

>>159219762
post
game

>>159219762
>Implying I'm triggered
I'm just pointing out how retarded that statement is. You can't blame literally EVERYTHING on "numales", even if they are annoying as shit.
It's like those people that blame the fact that they're poor/stupid/stubbed their toe on reptilians/the jews/da gumbent/etc

>>159219575

>remaking ss13

good luck. Many have tried and none have succeeded.

>>159219762
Answer this >>159219621

>>159219914
That's because every single instance has either stayed closed source and dead, or gone open source but had terrible engine choices that limit it so severely nothing can be done.

>>159219762
> retard comes into a club
> starts flinging shit and screaming uncontrollably
> people call the retard a retard
> "wow guys, stop being so TRIGGERED"

It's not your fault. the lack of (You)s can turn people.

>>159219740
Ah yeah that makes sense. Thanks.

>>159219248
But okay, lets say this isn't a problem anymore and the confused beginner problem got fixed.
You're gonna need something very easy to modify , probably not a compiled language to reduce the toolchain and allow beginners or any enthusiast coders to hack right away with just their favorite text editor, lua + love2d is great at that with luajit on the server it shouldn't be hard to find a library to handle the database.
Other solution is to make spessman a web application, serve the client from an http server, enjoy html and css for easy ui, javascript being braindead simple and an almost self contained game where all you have to do is start the server and connect to 127.0.0.1:80 if you want to test locally.

>>159220165
>web app

Dear god no

>>159218902
That sword is not low poly. A skilled modeler could have accomplished that with a third less tris.

>>159220227
I know anon, i know, but you've got to admit it make things easier even with that clusterfuck of a language they call javascript.

>>159220329
A decent modeler could have accomplished all of the everything in that pic with a third less tris.

>>159220354
It'll never be fast enough to handle the complexity of the ss13 backend

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Is it acceptable to have wood paneling float like that next to the stairs, or does it look stupid?

>>159220464
Explain what's supposedly too complex about ss13.

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How to achieve this style?

>>159220464
Never said you had to use javascript server side, there's plenty of solutions. It's just the client you can't avoid unless you go for transpiled stuff like typescript.
Plus hey don't be so pessimist, if byond can do it, who can't?

>>159220537
1. Look up "toon shader" tutorial. There are ton of them.
2. Spend the next 12 years of your life in various digital art and animation programs.

>>159220537
Pro tip: your eyes can be used to look at pictures.

Did you know? You can look at a picture and see what's in it!

>>159220485

The paneling is designed to break up the corner between the floor and wall.

It doesn't look good having it float like that. Just cut it out.

>>159220532
The depth and breadth of the simulation, lighting, atmospherics, power, a host of other systems and a large number of things that can spike cpu usage, especially in combination.

>>159220570
Byond only manages by virtue of years of research into the inner workings of Byond to find weak points and optimize the code, and trim out portions that will just never work. At its core new ss13 will need to compete with old ss13 in a way that is clearly superior, not just equal to it.

>>159220537
I want to know how the eyes/eye brows were done in this game. They show through the hair anime style.

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>Even AAA games with multi millon dollar budgets have ugly seams and mismatched tiling on their corners

See the corner on the far right. Is there any point to even attempting 3d, or will it always look shit?

>>159219707
Why would an actual question be bait?

I mean even if it is copy-pasta, why would a normal question that doesn't elicit anger or any emotion count as "bait"?

>>159220932
Why are the brick textures on the stairs 45 degrees? No one lays bricks like that...

>>159221002
I initially thought it was two images juxtaposed thanks to that nutty as fuck brick texture.

>>159220897
>http://polycount.com/discussion/104415/zelda-wind-waker-tech-and-texture-analysis-picture-heavy
Here you go, there's an image about the eyes and it's a very simple solution.

>>159220842
>The depth and breadth of the simulation, lighting, atmospherics, power, a host of other systems and a large number of things that can spike cpu usage, especially in combination.
Maybe if your server hardware is made from a cpu you got from your electronic microwave.

>>159220932
Just use a simple low poly style and you'll be fine. It's easy to fix problems with low poly, it's harder with high poly.

>>159221078
there's no difference between fixing low poly and high poly models because there's no difference as far as the model itself goes.

>>159221061
I mean hey, maybe Byond is so shit that it makes one who uses it underestimate the power of a cpu. But in terms of ss13 it's hard to succintly describe the number of various systems that it's doing in the background, because there is a lot going on. Icon operations, speech code, UIs, powernets, cameranets, pipe networks, atmospherics. Though lot of these things are weakened in Byond particularly by the extremely limited clientside manipulation, thus the need for a remake.

>>159220932
I don't know about you but Okami, a 3D game from 10 years ago, looked beautiful as fuck to me.

If you really think that a couple of pixels being off in the corner of a wall that only an autist would notice suddenly makes the entire game "look like shit" then really I don't know why you're playing video games in the first place.

The angled texture on the left on the other hand is a lot more jarring.

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Is there any website with reliable artists? I keep trying to commission artists for my game but they always flake on me even though I'm willing to pay them well.

It doesn't matter what style you choose or what you do, as long as you make it work for your gameplay and keep it consistent.

>>159221057
I'm not sure I understand how the eyes know to only draw in front of the hair, and not other things.

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>>159221375

ArtStation is pretty good.

I ask for a sketch before payment. Artists does the sketch, I pay them, then they deliver the final goods.

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Made a potion today.

>>159221712
is this your strongest potion?

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>>159221712
Nice skyrim ripoff

how hard is it making a tank controls, fixed camera survival horror in unity

>>159221834

Not even close, potion seller.

>>159221845

Yes actually, I was going for the more squarical look for Skyrim's potions. Look a lot more feasible then traditional orb potions.

Or rather, I would use orb potions for the best healing potions out there- they'd be the rare elixirs as opposed to the common herbal tinctures made by alchemist apprentices and so forth.

>>159221898
it would be hard not to make that

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How did they get this level of detail in their background textures? I can't imagine the PSX could do more than a 256x256 texture, and when I try to texture anything with something that small, you can't make out anywhere near this much detail.

>>159222075
Pretty sure it's all prebaked. You're just looking at a bunch of textures on a plane facing the camera while the character walks on a invisible collider.

>>159222075
Look at the wall on the right and tell me those are textures on a 3D model.

>>159222161
I know its prebaked, but I'm asking about their textures on that plane. What res do you think it was?

>>159221608
thanks, I'll check it out

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Thoughts comments.

Advertising images for web/social media.

They are all going to get stacked on top of each other, to make like an infographic/graphic page.

http://www.fleettacticalcommand.com/p/game.html

>>159222709
>don't even pretend anymore and blatantly advertise
Wow

>>159221956
so it's easy then

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>>159222890

Explain?

>>159223034
That's the only logical and natural thing to do.

>>159221375
What's your game?

>>159220932
>Deformed tiled bricks
>PS2 skin shader
>Hair shining like in a shower ad
>Metal way too rough
disgusting.

>>159221375
>>159221608
>paying artists
This is why free arts will always be shit.

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>>159223128
>tfw not real code I'm just shitposting and should get back to actually deving.

How do we make Godot Engine great?

>>159222227
It's simply a background texture, either with the exact screen size or screen size divided into 4 textures for less workload. the only planes are the invisible/physical ones that are placed so it seems like the player is walking on it, or can't go through a wall.

>>159223546
make it not feel like a half-assed piece of software that is barely stitched together by two average comp-sci students and give it actual community support

>>159223525
That reading code is a recipe for disaster though. Might as well just use enums in that case.

>>159223487
At least you can get free art.

You can't get a programmer who will make your game for free, but you can find an artist who will make shit for your game for free.

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>>159223487

Nobody should work for free. People spend hours honing skills and they deserve to get paid for it.

Giving away your skills for free means that you don't value yourself.

The ONLY person who doesn't get paid for his labour is the guy at the top, the owner, manager or leader. They only get a dividend of the company when it starts to turn a profit, and usually, in the end, they get the largest piece of the pie. That is the reward they get for their sacrifice.

Knowing how to value yourself is an important skill. Working for free makes you less than a slave, because you are slaving away willingly.

> but I don't have money to spend on artists

Then don't be the guy at the top. Make some money first.

>>159223891
I'd work for free.

To gain experience and make a portfolio.

Not an artist though, but a programmer. And yeah I guess I don't value myself. (Since there's nothing to value)

>>159223879
>You can't get a programmer who will make your game for free
The hell are you smoking?

>free coding tutorial everywhere
>free code examples everywhere to copy&paste
>heck even some free code completed games that you can download and study

>>159223891
How good it must be for you to be able to spout that nonsense now that we have a good amount of free game engines and libraries out there.

>>159223487
When i started to learn how to draw i always thought one day i will deliver free art...
>mfw
After almost destroying my hands drawing and getting anxious just thinking about drawing something, i must say fuck free art, shit is hard.

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Another one.

So we got explore, engage, encounter. Sort of inspired by the four Es of 4x, explore, expand, exploit, exterminate.

>>159224246
I've been drawing for albeit just two years so I'm no veteran, but how the fuck did you destroy your hands drawing?

>>159224332
I didn't i just got close.
Drawing too much even with hand exercises i almost developed carpal tunnel.

>>159223214
a metroidvania with a female elf protagonist and VN elements on the side..

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>>159212046
I realize I'm five hours late but this had me laughing for at least three minutes straight, goddamn.

>>159224246

A decent piece of concept art can take anywhere from 20-30 hours. An artist with 4 years of experience is entitled to around $18 USD an hour. Do the math, it adds up quickly.

Entertainment is expensive.

>>159224223
>get a programmer to make a game for you
>lol of course you can, just make a game yourself
Go learn english, pajeet

>>159224823
See >>159224178

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>>159224704
Yeah if you're making shit like Dragon Dogma or Skyrim.

If you're an indie dev then the only concept art you need is a bunch of scribbles on some papers you keep nearby.

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>>159224873
Some more DD concept art because why not.

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>>159224968

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>>159225072

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>>159224873

That image you posted probably cost around $1000 to produce. Big game titles have million dollar budgets. A professional game artist can earn up to 60k a year, while only busting out two dozen 'usable' pieces of concept art.

That aside.

Indie devs aren't garage devs.

Independent developers can make high quality games and content. Concept art has two purposes, design and advertising. It doesn't necessarily have to make it into the game, but often people will see cool concept art and start following a project.

Concept art is becoming more important to independent development, because it can used on platforms like kickstarter or patreon to kickstart a project.

Independent developers are just developers who aren't funded by a publisher, it's a very broad category.

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>>159225260
>Indie devs aren't garage devs.

I'd very much prefer they still were.

Are cute loli witches mandatory in all indie games?

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>>159225182
How do you do a solid painted wall, but not make it a flat color?

Should I just rely on lighting, and misc objects like picture frames to hide the fact its a flat color for a texture, or is there some other technique to add variation, while still being recognizable as just a boring painted wall?

>>159223891
there is completely nothing wrong with doing things for free if you want to do them for free
until early 10's, many people who made games were content with sharing their efforts for free, because they actually enjoyed what they were doing and the fact that people enjoyed their work was enough to satisfy them

this having said, the fact that talented people who actually like video games and want to make them can relatively easily make a buck or two from them now is one of the ups of the current indie scene
however, with this also comes a shitton of retards who only care about quick and easy money

>>159225397
Thankfully no

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>>159225260
>Independent developers are just developers who aren't funded by a publisher, it's a very broad category.
The category hasn't even been THAT specific for years. Hotline Miami 1 and 2 are "indie" despite being associated with a publisher. In fact, I've seen many, many people refer to Devolver as an "indie" publisher in general, which boggles my mind.

>>159225345
Nobody cares any more what we'd prefer, anon.

>>159224704
>A decent piece of concept art can take anywhere from 20-30 hours
No it doesn't you faggot. A pro concept artist can make rough designs and concepts in under 1 hour.

Art like this probably took them from between 30min to 3 hours or something like that. >>159224873

>>159225397
And how do you plan to have a cute loli witch in your game? Are you an artist?

>>159225467
That piece didn't take no thirty fuckin' minutes. MAYBE three hours at the bottom of a much larger range.

>>159222161
It's just one texture or image on a square.

>>159225624
>That piece didn't take no thirty fuckin' minutes
It probably actually did. That drawing is extremely rough and has a lot of stoney shit and photo textures and the entire top half is nothing but a smudgy scribble.

Look at some Feng Zhu videos and tell me again how it takes 20 hours to draw these things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-l9kNXAeGQ

>>159225397
Would a cute witch milf be good enough for /agdg/ instead?

>>159224591
You're fucked, sounds like a long term thing and you probably need more than 1 artist as well as making sure they can match on a specific style so you don't have a mess.

>>159225857
It would be preferred.

>>159225857
>Milf
>Cute

Impossible.

Milfs cannot be cute, they can only be sexy.

>>159225407
Anyone? Should I put a noise filter on it or something?

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HOW THE FUCK

DO I RETAIN MYSELF

FROM AUGMENTING SCOPE

>>159226207
Noise is good

>>159225467
This

>>159225624
The simplest explanation is that you've never seen a professional at work before. Back in the day I used to stay on a /f/ whiteboard and once in a while you could have a glimpse of a pro at work. It really blew my mind every single time I witnessed how fast it IS possible to draw. And all they used was a basic round brush.

>>159226207
>>159225407
Maybe not literal noise but you can have brush marks in the normal map, specs of chipped paint

But also yeah, lighting should make it all look less flat, don't go mad with the details.

I started enjoying making pixel art more then programming. Wut to do?

>>159226319
You can finally make a game

>>159226319
sacrifice your drawing hand to David Rosen

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>>159225467
>>159225624
>>159225830

You are fucking dreaming. DREAMING.

A piece of concept art doesn't only constitute sitting down and drawing the damn thing. Artists aren't designers. They don't come up with this shit.

Everything starts with a meeting. Artists will usually meet with designers, sometimes writers and talk about stuff. Designers will make rough designs, or write things down. This takes an hour or two.

Then the artist goes off and does a rough sketch or two. Usually more. This can take another 2 hours.

The artist then goes back to the designer and they talk some more. Designer will point things out, make changes and so on. Another hour.

Artist goes away makes some more changes. Another hour.

They get back together and call in other leads. Bigger meeting. If people agree, artist gets the sign off to start colouring, if not, the artist will need to make some more changes (a few more hours).

That was a workday.

Next morning artist starts on the colouring. Designer rocks up and doesn't like something - artist makes revision changes. 3 hours.

Rough copy goes to designer. Designer is not happy. Back for more revisions. 2 hours.

Designer is happy with revisions. Artist puts on final touches, and the piece is done. 2 hours.

Another workday done.

Designer and the artist need to get paid. Designer makes 65k a year, artist 55k a year. On an average workday they will walk away with around 300-400. You just paid $1200 for a single piece of concept art. But wait, they work in an office and there are overheads, and there is tax, and software, and and and and... you be lucky if you didn't end up spending $3000 at the end of the day for that simple piece of concept art.

That is reality.

>>159226548
Except you got completely proven wrong by an actual concept art designer posted in this thread.

Read the textbox in here >>159224968

He had no idea how the game was going to be like, he was just told to draw something "medieval fantasy". And you can notice that because the game didn't actually have any beast races.

Concept art is just that, concept art. It doesn't represent the final designs, it doesn't require several meetings. It's the part where the artist has the most freedom and he's just supposed to throw shit at a wall until the guy in lead likes it.

>>159225830
Not that guy but thanks for the video. I had no idea you could come up with original designs with a method like that. You really can't ever stop learning.

>>159226015
I've already commissioned several artists since I'm rich.

>>159226736

I concede. It does happen.

Depends how the studio utilises its artists.

My point still stands, its expensive.

>>159227129
It's not about the money dummy.
It's finding reliable artists that'll work with you for a long time and making sure all your art is consistent.

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>>159227456
>It's not about the money dummy.

>>159227579
>pay artist
>he does 3 drawings and fucks off
>now you either have to find another that can draw similarly or ditch the drawings he made

why the fuck is this thread full of morons pretending they actually know anything about game development? if you did, you wouldn't be here

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>no GM2 beta slots open

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>>159226548
>>159225467
>>159225624
>>159225830
The amount of work to create a conept, can take minutes or hours, or even days, depending both on the scope, details and how much experience you have with the genre.

If you have drawn sci-fi since 5th grade, then you will probably shit out a concept within half an hour, but if you are new to the genre, then you have to consider research time and also redrawing that shit all over in order to get the essence. Also if you draw an collossal battleship, the concept will take longer than a simple fighter, or for example a robot has more complicated parts than a sci-fi suit. So everything between 30 minutes and several days is correct.

>artists think they have hard getting paid

Trying being a loremaster. It takes tons of hours and creativity to come up lore and make sure it is consistent , but nearly every indie dev expects people to do lore master work for them for free

some weeks ago somebody posted some screenshots of a game which looked as if everything was made with paper and drawn by 10 year old children

is that game still alive?

>>159228039
>but if you are new to the genre

Then someone else gets hired who is not new to the genre.

That's what portfolios are for. They're not only there to judge skill level but also the type of work they've done. If you're making a sci fi game you hire someone with sci fi experience, if you're making medieval one then one with medieval experience. Nobody wants to hire someone new to the genre who will spend 10 days on a piece of concept art while getting paid at the same hourly wage,regardless of how good he is in other genres.

>>159228423
You mean every AGDG game

>>159224591
Post you're game pls

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>>159228423
Yeah, that was my project. That was just early trials are art, sorry. I got some feedback and changed my sprites some. Here's a newer screenshot

>>159228739
It's far from presentable at the moment. when I no longer have placeholders I'll show it.

>>159228948
If I theoretically was an artist possibly interested in joining what would I do?

>>159228495
What would you rather have a skilled artist with limited genre knowledge, or a shitty artists with a lot of genre knowledge? Do you think a companies switch their artists like desktop backgrounds everytime they make a new game with a new genre? They might get 1-2 more artists who may be knowledged in that certain genre, but otherwise they give their artists a few weeks time to get accostumed to the genre and do research on it, after which they are then able shit out a few concepts a day. Take a look at any dev documentary and you will see the artists table swarmed with research. Also they want their artists to get more experience and become loyal to the company, otherwise other companies might snatch all the good artists and nurture them. No one will work for you either if you are known to be kicking and hiring out workers like in a fastfood restaurant

>>159228524
no friend that paper game actually looked decent i thought

>>159229705
>or a shitty artists with a lot of genre knowledge?

When did that ever enter the conversation? Stop strawmaning and stop moving goalposts. There are good artists accustomed to the Sci Fi genre and there are good artists accustomed to the medieval fantasy genre. All a company does is allocating the right artist to the right project. Nobody's going to be offended at that, there's no "kicking out" when hiring artists renowned for their sci-fi skills to work on sci-fi stuff. And how many genre switches do you think a company can feasibly do in the same time period without going bankrupt? Especially when some projects take over 5 years? You really think there are 100 different genres and a company will go through all of them throughout its lifespan?

>>159229103
Only thing I need right now is an artist for background assets. But I ain't hiring anyone from here cuz I don't trust any of you clowns.

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Bokudev if you dont fix how you look and keep uploading these to the discord how the fuck will you ever become a successful game developer at trade shows looking like this.

I'm giving you some nice advice to fix your look, before you end up a meme on /v/ or something for looking like a faggot gamedev.

>>159222709
stop shilling your advertising campaign you whore.
post real progess or get out

>>159217612
I'm hyped already

Can yall faggots stop changing the name of this piece of shit, it's like yall want this general to die.

>>159226131
What about mom from yuyushiki

>>159230847
lurk moar

>>159214169
God.

This fucking guy has such a punchable fucing face. The way he looks at the screen all sad and shit. add his omega voice ugh.

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>>159230616
I just want to make game, if that isn't enough for people then I shouldn't care past that.

I mean if you can look at me at first glance at assume I look like a faggot that couldn't make a good game, then that is all the more better to me because I want to prove that I can.

Being a living example of "can't judge a book by its cover" is dear to me.

Progresso part 3

How do I get gud at 3d modeling?

>>159231062
Just like do it

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>>159230676

I'm not shilling. I'm getting feedback and critique.

Advertising is gamedev and progress.

This is a new screenshot btw.

>>159217043
Speaking of SS13 5 hours later, what happened to the guy remaking it in DOOM-style?

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>>159231058
Bokudev, can you stream gameplay of your game while dress like a girl? :3

>>159231058
That arrow indicator at the beginning looks ugly, why does it rotate with Boku? Just make it float above his head.

Also the clock on the timer looks dumb if it just spins randomly, make it a proper countdown clock or take it out.

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>>159231058

Bokudev.

It's time to get a haircut.

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I can now define any orbit I want it works perfectly

Now I should be able to start actually make game

post dev music <3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn95I87UC3c

>>159231493
I'm no scientist, but I'm pretty sure gravity doesn't work that way. You've ignored all the planet-planet interactions.

>>159231545
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3GrHLOgF3c

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>>159231493

What!

Teach me senpai! Let me see your source code.

>>159231020
no im fucking working. i only come here to post progress. and complaing about op title.

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>>159222709
>>159224301
For infographics they're very, very bland. They're just paragraphs of text. Infographics break up the boring with different font sizes, colours, sections, etc.

Compare yours to this random template I just found.

>>159231786
What is it about engines that give them that "feel" unique to them?

Every time I buy an indie game off Steam, within minutes I can usually guess if it was Unity, Unreal 4, or Source with pretty much 100% accuracy.

>>159231545
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16snK15annE

>>159231592
And he arrived at the decision that he would several threads ago when people rightly told him that realistic planet to planet gravitation wasn't important (which it isn't, unless your game specifically features mechanics that involve it).

>>159231916
>Unity
Unique and original assets.
>Unreal
Everything's glossy.

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>>159231786

It's a fair point.

I was using the same design as https://www.pathofexile.com/game which I thought looked good enough.

That template you posted looks a little busy.

I want to stitch them together like this http://www.fleettacticalcommand.com/p/game.html

>>159231493
No moons? Step it up senpai.

>>159231962
I was actually the guy telling other people to ignore the planet-planet interactions, but same effect, the planets in my game will be far apart enough for it not to matter anyway

>>159231545
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjzGPpM76fQ

Lum is best waifu

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Well I thought about the loli trading aspect and then mocked this up. Would it work? Can you think of anything that would be good to keep in mind for it? Right now I could start off just with the ability to buy/sell lolis, then later I was thinking of adding the ability to prostitute them out, or to produce (possibly custom) pics/videos with the girls for money. But those aren't needed at first and should wait until more core features of the game are in, but I think just having a buying/selling menu like this would be pretty easy to make.

Other things I was hoping to work on before releasing a demo (probably around Christmas/new years?) would be like...

*Making cop AI less shit

*getting saving/loading working (it saves/loads some things now, but not all - this is what I was working on the past couple weeks which is why I haven't been posting, since there's not really any visual progress to post with this)

*Looking after the girls (feeding, nutrition, etc)

*Expanded dialogue options

>>159231545
>>159231595
>>159231936
>>159232719
>not listening to VGM when devving
baka

>>159231545
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeAJzWzR0c0

>>159232731
uh oh

>>159222709
>>159224301
>>159232135
I see on your blog that you're talking about Kickstarter and Patreon. Do you have ANY gameplay to show for those ventures, and not just bullshots like >>159231192 where you've dragged a few ships into the scene with automated scripts to shoot... but actual, real gameplay? The days of free money on Kickstarter are long gone.

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>>159232731

Look, I'm a cop and if I found that on your computer I would arrest you.

From one anon to another, time to dump that project.

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Made a knife draw animation

I don't want this guy to have guns, or big and obvious warrior weapons like swords or mace, but a knife is a light and decent self-defense, right?

>>159233097
>not listening to anime music while devving anime games

>>159233237

Good luck doing that, if you're even actually a cop (doubtful).

>>159231596
Basically used this website and a shitload of quaternion rotations
http://www.braeunig.us/space/

The code is pretty messy atm and it's the logic and maths behind it that's more important so I'll make a flow diagram and the steps and then post the code

>>159231545
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFlgNoUsr4k

>>159231545
This helps me get shit done by inducing massive brain damage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmC-_bTCRwQ

>>159233289
Looks more like a stabbing motion

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>>159233225

I have a demo which lasts about an hour. It has basic functionality, story events, space travel, limited space battles.

Large parts of the game are still unimplemented, item system, skill tree, abilities, so it is still really rough.

I'm launching the patreon this week with what I have, kickstarter around December with the completed gameplay demo, trailer and video introduction.

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>>159233458
>japanese humor

>>159233597
Post some webms?

>>159233550
I thought it would be logical to enter a fighting stance with a threatening stabbing motion?
How would you have done it?

>>159230939
A woman cannot be a MILF and cute at the same time. If you find her cute, you shouldn't want to fuck her, and vice versa.

The only people who want to fuck cute things are pedophiles and furries.

Are you a either one of those, Anon?

>>159233237
>Look, I'm a cop and if I found that on your computer I would arrest you.

It depends on your state/country I guess but I doubt that would hold up in most reasonable courts. He's making a video game.

Don't go swat-teaming 12 year olds playing hitman anon.

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>>159233352

There is a line anon, and what you are creating is crossing that line.

Somehow, someway, accidental or on purpose, someone is going to stumble onto that material and link it to you, and if law enforcement is informed they will raid you, and they will find your loli porn and the real CP you keep hidden on an external hard drive.

Then you will go to prison and some nigger is going to stab you in the scrotum with a shiv because his daughter got raped by a pedophile.

These hobbies don't end well. Make sure you remember that.

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>>159233776

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>>159233781
5th amendment! 5th amendtment!

>>159225072
Those designs are cool as fuck
I really want to try my hand at modeling one

>>159233867

I'm not out to get anyone. This is 4chan of course, and I've seen much worse IRL.

But I feel it is my duty to guide anons. I joined the police to help people, I think the right words now can prevent somebody having their life ruined, people don't need to be perfect or righteous, just smart about who they expose their innermost thoughts to.

>>159234046
m8
He's not an assassin. The knife is meant to be seen.
Also, a weapon draw animation shouldn't take ten seconds.
Also, that is a cinematic - The animation doesn't even feature in-game (as far as I know).

>>159225407
It's a 3d modeling software technically everything you make there is just light

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>>159234250
>The animation doesn't even feature in-game

>>159233776

Knife is a weapon of opportunity.

Only muggers pull it out and show you, because they don't actually want to kill you, just take your money.

Knife should be hidden until making the killing blow. Knives aren't combat weapons, they are for assassination and surprise.

>>159234250
Trouble is yours is halfway between a draw and a stab.

If you want a stab, make it a stab. Otherwise maybe add some sideways motion or a rotation so he holds it a bit more at an angle.

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>>159231596
>>159233419
Prays to gods this mobile postin doesn't flip the photo

Lots of rotations of vectors around other vectors so you need quaternions
Hope you can read my handwriting

Working out the vector that's normal to the orbital plane can be done with crossing the longitude of ascending node vector and any position vector on the orbit, however if you do happen to choose an position vector that's on the same line or is perpendicular to the longAscVector then it comes up with 0 so I randomly choose a new true anomaly to randomly choose a point that almost certainly will avoid that issue

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>>159233757

Opening scene.

>>159234505

Thanks anon. I'll work through it for my own game.