/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless and 4X Games General

first for harald

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>>158961308
This

Being a coalminer's wife must be spooky, I feel like we should respect them

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>>158961375

>>158961028
Sumer cheats on it in a rather twisted way. With most civs you are balancing early game production between scouts, military, builders and buildings(monument). For sumer its just bulilders and war carts. Getting goody huts bonuses means you will get a lot of free shit early on allowing you to bypass a lot of early game head aches.

WHAT THE FUCK
WHY IS THERE A SKELETON

>>158961460
Because its halloween. I think they just put it about an hour ago or something. All the new threads have it.

Any patches/notes since release for Civ6?

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Want to settle 2 cities down here. Happy with yellow, but can't decide between red and purple.

Should I settle red and hope I can get Petra? Or play it safe and settle purple?

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12th attempt to start longer game on Huge map with Mayans.

Does this map holds any potential? I cant spot good place for second city.

If no, should I drop the idea of rolling "Earth" type of map?

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>>158961191
Hello guys.

I wanted to propose we clean up the OP, because I saw a lot of unorganized stuff and even repeated links. I was wondering what you thought of the following format:

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Cleaned-up OP edition

>/civ4xg/ Steam group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/civ4xg

>Civilization resources & mod archives:
http://www.dndjunkie.com/civilopedia/
http://well-of-souls.com/civ/index.html
http://www.civfanatics.com/
http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=391 -
http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Civilization_Games_Wiki
http://modiki.civfanatics.com/index.php/Main_Page
http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/browse?appid=8930 (requires legit version)
http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=393
http://pastebin.com/5ANRmRur

>Miscellaneous Civ links
https://play.freeciv.org - Free Civ
http://www.dropshock0.com/civ/ - Civ V roulette
http://georgeskleres.com/civ5/ - Civ V drafter
http://www.multiplayerrobot.com - Civ V Giant Multiplayer Robot, lets you play Civ V's hot seat mode like an e-mail game

>SMAC & SMAX official short stories
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/cn11q7nqa00te/Alpha_Centauri

>Stellaris Steam group, resources & mod archive - 4x game developed by paradox development studios.
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vgstellaris
http://pastebin.com/qsTFCyvh
https://mega.nz/#F!hpBCSbCC!vZNs1Qhip_UJQPSSdoZjUg

>Endless Legend resources:
http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/289130/manuals/User'sManual.pdf?t=1413562467
http://endless-legend.wikia.com/wiki/Endless_Legend_Wiki
http://endlesslegendwiki.com/Endless_Legend_Wiki

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>>158961640
Why not?

I am fond of skellingtons.

>>158961640
>tfw you got outsped by a pigsposter

>>158961640
I like the idea but don't like that it has no description for links. It would be better if it was something along the lines of


>Endless Legend resources:
Manual - http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/289130/manuals/User'sManual.pdf?t=1413562467
Wiki 1 - http://endless-legend.wikia.com/wiki/Endless_Legend_Wiki
Wiki 2 - http://endlesslegendwiki.com/Endless_Legend_Wiki

>>158961730
I wish there was more strategies games with skeletons.
Even Age of Wonders relies too much on ghouls, and Disciples has plenty of cool stuff (banshees, psychopompe) but not skellington construct.

>>158962412
ghouls are boring and lame
nothing beats a good old skelly

>>158962506
Skeletons are better. They don't need food or supplies of any kind, never question order, can run for hours without getting tired, and theorically speaking, can be faster than lightning.

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>About to achieve science victory
>Nuke every motherfucker on the map

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>>158961804
>>158961761
>>158961668
>>158961191

Okay. How do you like this?
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>/civ4xg/ Steam group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/civ4xg

>Civilization resources
http://well-of-souls.com/civ/index.html - Civilization Analyst (Civ VI, Civ V, BE)
http://www.civfanatics.com/ - CivFanatics Database and Forums (all games)
http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Civilization_Games_Wiki - Wiki of all Civ games
http://www.dndjunkie.com/civilopedia/ - CIVILOPEDIA Online (Civ V)
http://www.dropshock0.com/civ/ - Civ V roulette
http://georgeskleres.com/civ5/ - Civ V drafter
http://www.multiplayerrobot.com - Civ V Giant Multiplayer Robot, lets you play Civ V's hot seat mode like an e-mail game
https://play.freeciv.org - Free Civ

>Civilization modding
http://modiki.civfanatics.com/index.php/Main_Page - Wiki for Civ modding
http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/browse?appid=8930 - Civ V mod database in workshop (requires legit version)
http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=393 - Civ V mods
http://pastebin.com/5ANRmRur - Yet another list of recommended Civ V mods

>Alpha Centauri (SMAC & SMAX) resources
http://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Sid_Meier's_Alpha_Centauri#Essential_improvements - Essential improvements for the game
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/cn11q7nqa00te/Alpha_Centauri - Official short stories

>Stellaris resources - 4x game developed by paradox development studios
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vgstellaris - Steam group
https://mega.nz/#F!hpBCSbCC!vZNs1Qhip_UJQPSSdoZjUg - Mod archive
http://pastebin.com/qsTFCyvh - Mod recommendations

>Endless Legend resources:
http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/289130/manuals/User'sManual.pdf?t=1413562467 - Manual
http://endless-legend.wikia.com/wiki/Endless_Legend_Wiki - Wiki 1
http://endlesslegendwiki.com/Endless_Legend_Wiki - Wiki 2

>>158962958
Descripiton - Link
Not the other way around. This is not readable. Thank you for your work.

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>Greece is the first one to found religion
>They found Islam

>>158963101
>Victoria

No matter what you do the bitch WILL denounce you.

>>158963168
She doesn't like your administration.

>>158962412
>>158962506
>>158962773
I wonder how much may be influenced by China, like how Magic the Gathering skeleton art got changed to thin ghoul/zombies because it's not allowed to show bones like that. Something to do with ancestor disrespect or something, I forget.

>>158963438
>"Something to do with ancestor disrespect or something"
Lies. Everyone knows it's because skeletons are too spooky, gooks can't handle.

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>>158963168

I'm a little stupid.
How exactly do you use Bombers? I can't seem to move them?

>>158962958

Doesn't this look better

>/civ4xg/ Steam group
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/civ4xg

>Civilization resources
Civilization Analyst (Civ VI, Civ V, BE) - http://well-of-souls.com/civ/index.html
CivFanatics Database and Forums (all games) - http://www.civfanatics.com/
Wiki of all Civ games - http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Civilization_Games_Wiki
CIVILOPEDIA Online (Civ V) - http://www.dndjunkie.com/civilopedia/
Civ V roulette - http://www.dropshock0.com/civ/
Civ V drafter - http://georgeskleres.com/civ5/
Civ V Giant Multiplayer Robot, lets you play Civ V's hot seat mode like an e-mail game - http://www.multiplayerrobot.com
Free Civ - https://play.freeciv.org

>Civilization modding
Wiki for Civ modding - http://modiki.civfanatics.com/index.php/Main_Page
Civ V mod database in workshop (requires legit version) - http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/browse?appid=8930
Civ V mods - http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=393
Yet another list of recommended Civ V mods - http://pastebin.com/5ANRmRur

>Alpha Centauri (SMAC & SMAX) resources
Essential improvements for the game - http://pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Sid_Meier's_Alpha_Centauri#Essential_improvements
Official short stories - https://www.mediafire.com/folder/cn11q7nqa00te/Alpha_Centauri

4x game developed by paradox development studios - >Stellaris resources
Steam group - http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vgstellaris
Mod archive - https://mega.nz/#F!hpBCSbCC!vZNs1Qhip_UJQPSSdoZjUg
Mod recommendations - http://pastebin.com/qsTFCyvh

>Endless Legend resources:
Manual - http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/289130/manuals/User'sManual.pdf?t=1413562467
Wiki 1 - http://endless-legend.wikia.com/wiki/Endless_Legend_Wiki
Wiki 2 - http://endlesslegendwiki.com/Endless_Legend_Wiki

Hail Regular Expressions for doing the work for me

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>>158963020
>>158961191
>>158961804
>>158961761
>>158961668

Hokay, fixed it. Any other input?

http://pastebin.com/KQeXXZ3i

>>158963704
>4x game developed by paradox development studios - >Stellaris resources
yer regular expressions fucked up a bit there. but nice job anyway, virtually the same as I did here, >>158963716

except I also added the pastebin link at the very beginning for easy thread creation in the future, without having to remove embeds and all that.

any suggestions?

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>>158963716
>mfw still gonna post the old OP next thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wRYvzqdqQE

ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROME!

>>158963716
>>158963853

I really like it, good work anon. trying to turn it into a table might be worth looking at, but I think it's very good as is.

>>158963438
That isn't true though.

>>158964471
And yet, World of Warcraft was heavily censored in China. All the bones were removed.

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>>158964471
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/arcana/chinese-skeletons-2002-03-13

>>158964623
Here, is a good article on why. TLDR, game companies covering their ass and pushing for accelerated release.

https://www.techinasia.com/china-doesnt-censor-skeletons-the-truth-about-game-censorship-in-the-middle-kingdom

>>158964727
this article was written by a skeleton

>>158964687
>>158964623
Weird as fuck, I live here and skeletons are hardly censored.

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>>158963438
>>158964687
magic still comes out with normal skeletons, though. they used to censor it for the chinese audience, but now they don't even bother. (pictured is the chinese 'champion of stray souls' card, and is no different from any other version)

>>158965047
So the Chinese are actually growing a thick skin instead of bitching about everything?

>>158964978
This post was written by a skeleton.

>>158965012
You know how HOI4 has faces of Hitler and his clique censored in Germany? There technically isn't a law on the books to force that. But because PDX doen't want to deal with German legal system or delay release, they censor themselves to avoid problems. Well it's the same here. I suspect local companies are more willing to deal with the bureaucracy because they know it better.

>>158965107
We've never fucking censored skeletons, there were skeleton soldiers in shitty movies from the 70s.
They're all fucking over the place in our myths and classic novels.

Like civ
thinking of trying 4x
stellaris, galactic civilisation or distant worlds universe?

>>158965265
That's what I'm guessing, that or >>158964687 might be, as getting a VPN to play on foreign servers isn't exactly hard.

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>>158965319
Did you censor Dark Souls too?

>>158965387
Alpha Centauri.

Could be the companies just faced a lot more stringent reps who blew whatever excuses they could out of proportion to inconvenience foreigners. The Magic article is a over a decade older than the techinasia one, and WoW came out almost a full decade before.

Even if there was no real law or taboo prohibiting it back then, they may have given them hard enough time to want to bypass whatever headache there was present that's no longer as much of a problem for them.

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They should make deserts useful somehow imo. You see, even though this desert is full of oases I can't settle there

About how many turns does it generally take to make a military unit in Civ 6?

I remember trying to play Civ 5, it took several turns to make anything. Because of all the other things I needed to make and seemed to be more helpful to make first, the only games where I ever had an army were when I was playing as Germany and didn't have to make it.

>>158965387
>Shallow but pretty game
>About average all round 4x with autocombat.(2nd part is the one you want)
>GSG

Your choices are interesting, but beware the last one for it's not of this general.

>>158965485
Or maybe Chinese were tired of being the Internet's laughinstock and grew a thick skin instead of being crybabies.

>>158965107
>>158965485
in the case of china, from what I understand, you need to basically have a separate company to deal through. So this company might get shit from people if they put out things like skeletons. Now, you can deal with that, eventually, but it takes a lot of time, so they don't really bother with it, and just censor it to save time. It's easier to just trace over some magic art, rather than hire all these people to diffuse the situation. Same thing applies with germany and hitler. There are no official laws, but a lot of people don't like it, and will get on your case about it.

>>158965618
GalCiv has autowar? It's everything I ever wanted from Stellaris

>>158965628
Fuck off.

>>158965458
I dunno, did we? Was it even sold here?

>>158963612
They have a radius within which they can attack. There is an attack button next to the regular unit buttons (such as sleep, skip turn etc) which when pressed highlights all the valid targets in red. Just click on the target. If there are no targets within range the attack button will be greyed out and you'll have to redeploy elsewhere.

>>158965618
Distant Worlds isn't /gsg/.

I tried to talk about it there, I was redirected here. With foul language and implications about my mother's honour.

>>158965807
No it has auto combat, like stellaris. I only mentioned it because "average" 4x doesn't. Distant worlds probably has autowar if you are into that sort of thing.

>>158965932
Distant Worlds has auto-everything.

>>158965924
This is SOP [Standard Operating Procedure] for gsg. We do it with all titles. I'm being serious. DW is in the op. Yes that general is populated by autist and no-lifer trolls who like to bait those autists.

>>158966095
My point exactly.

>>158965924
had a look and distant worlds is in the gsg op.
Thought it was mostly founding planets/cities and building armies like civ. Can't see why, but its regarded as gsg.

Anyway, Gal Civ it is.

Arabia seems so weak

your unique building is in the campus

and you need holy sites to do anything with your free religion + 10% cost faith buildings

but both of them aren't unique districts so they're full cost, take up a district slot and you want to be building commericla hubs and i ndustrial in every city normally so it's so slow to even get to them

look fine on paper but shit in practice

>>158966140
A shame, I love Distant Worlds.

I only played it twice but I somehow manage to play it fo 17 hours.

>>158966180
Civ 6 is plagued with design like this, all of which bespeaks of poor beta testing.Who the fuck thought that Tommy's cloning ability was balanced, especially in conjunction with out of zone unit selling? But fuck beta testing, right? That's what first day buyers are for!

>>158965575
If that shity state wasn't there I'd settle near the wheat and rush Petra

>>158966140
Why is /gsg/ such a cancerous place?

The place is shock full of drama with modders, tripfags, and whatnot. The latest scandal is that a couple of teenager douchebags were butthurt and reported the general's archive because it had all the DLC for a bunch of /gsg/ games in it, so gigabyte upon gigabytes got taken down.

It's a fucking shithole.

>>158966398
>all of which bespeaks of poor beta testing

the design flaws should have been caught before they even left paper. their entire work process is garbage.

oh jeez this is spooky

How were the ship behavior AI's changed?
Can I have my corvettes NOT charge at the enemy?

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>>158961308
>>158961375
>>158961458

>158966650
Fucking rekt.

so film studio only gives 100% tousim to other civs in modern? you lose it if they go past the modern era?

what a unique building...

>>158966505
It's a certain few people.

gsg is leaking

>>158966817
One faggot is enough to ruin a general.

>>158966505
The real answer, which I am loathe to say for fear of fucking things up, is that the better posters of /gsg/ all left and resurrected /civ4xg/ to tralk about Stellaris after the Great Liquor Spergout. The that was followed by HoI 4 release. So all the decent posters are here, talking about Stellaris and getting into Civ 6. Meanwhile, they are still mired in Vick vs EU 4 mana wars(see their thread now for an example).
Also, there's a dedicated troll nest that does nothing but plague them. Perhaps several troll nests.

I've burnt myself out on the game already

what do I do now?

>>158966505
>why do autistic people and attention whore drama queens play grand strategies

>>158966505
>Why is /gsg/ such a cancerous place?
It really isn't when you get used to it's bullshit. There are a few people with seemingly near infinite time free time on their hands who spend it trolling GSG. Sometime the general descends into shitposting, but most of the time you can have a productive discussion on multiple subjects wit individuals in it. The reasons are many among them:
>people getting tired of this shit and leaving the general for reddit/forums
>people getting tired of paradox's shit and leaving for different genres/hobbies
>/his/ getting created, draining historyfags who enjoy these games as alt history simulators rather than simply games
>the fact that jannies mods are so tired of /gsg/'s shit they seem to ignore it half the time
etc

>>158966932
Kill yourself?

>>158966916
You're wrong. The decent posters surface in off-hours. Stellaris was hardly a good game at launch, many quality posters on /gsg/ didn't sperg out but didn't move here either.

>>158966978
/his/ ?
>>158966916
What was this "Great Liquor Spergout" that you refer to?

>>158967056
okay ill try that and report back with results

brb

>>158966978
/his/ killed /twg/ too. People were told to fuck off to /his/ by newfags who were interested in WH more than TW, and they did.

>>158967156
>/his/ ?
>>>/his/
>What was this "Great Liquor Spergout" that you refer to?
A holy war between two popular mods and their respective players. Liquor comes into it due to it being most imbalanced part of the economy of one of the mods.It got to a point that people were getting doxed left and right to resolve the situation.

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>meet a scout from Cleopatra
>The very next turn she declares war on me despite being half a continent away
>Then, somehow, I declare war on myself
Nice game

>>158967432

lmao

>>158967443
Declaring war on yourself means some one you haven't met yet declared war on you

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>>158967432
>Getting doxed over an internet fight about which mod to use for an autism simulator
Jesus christ.

>tfw everybody keeps telling me not to buy stellaris
o-okay

>>158967432
>and their respective players
It's more HPMIDF and R&I vs. Steamgruppe, to use /gsg/ terminology.
Squads of shitposters.

>>158967623

it's real bad

>>158967623
don't do it

>>158967583
protip: dont log into Discord without using a proxy
Protip 2:Don't hand out personal info to "female" gsg players, they don't exist and are just trolling you for info.

>>158967432
'resolve'.

>>158967727
>"female" gsg players

anyone falling for this deserves it

>>158967667
True, their respective fanboys would be more accurate, but using gsg terminology outside of gsg is like speaking a dead language.


>>158967759
Trust me, the current state, while fucked up, doesn't begin to approach the heat of the Spergout.

>>158967727
My sister fucked off around the whole cement-eating liqourcomic incident, so there was one.>>158967727

>>158967623
why not just pirate it and decide for yourself instead of relying on other peoples opinions?
it's not like your time is that valuable, right? what else are you gonna do?

>literally haven't started a war
>been reasonably nice to every civ
>denounced or unfriendly by/towards everyone but Japan

These agenda's are nice and all, but holy fuck diplomacy is basically impossible

>>158966978
Yeah, if you think /gsg/ is bad you clearly haven't seen /sc2/ yet nor /kspg/ in its prime(it was so bad mods made it ban-on-sight)
here, have a link to /sc2/ >>158946371

>>158966180
>free religion!!!!! xD
>wait but if i want to use my UA I need faith to get the faith buildings
>s-s-sure ill build one holy site why am I even playing Arabia??
>Gandhi just obliterated my epic FSM just three turns after I made it!!
>MY UB YEAAAA
>its... for Campus? I don't build those until Musketmen wtf!!
>10% culture science faith... thats not production!!!! (((

>xenos scum closes his borders towards me
>start a war with the only goal of opening the borders
>xenos scum surrenders
>borders are still closed

???

>>158968119
jesus christ

>>158968119
I dunno, /sc2/ is kinda like twitch chat. /gsg/ is it's own kind of autism. As I said I don't think it's as bad as some people say it is, but it's pretty bad. At any rate I think we need to get back to discussion of 4x games, amusing as it is to explain fucked up places of 4chan to people.

>>158968119
/gsg/ is bad because a shadow of its once-glory can be seen beneath the rubble. /sc2/ is like a sewer main and /kspg/ aka cat dick is an african mud hut with niggers and pajeets working to fill it with shit, but /grandshitpostinggeneral/ is like Rome (/gsg/) getting sacked by Vandals (Steamgroup) and getting smeared in shit by Flavius (R&I).
It doesn't help because it is a genuinely old general, predating /vg/ by fucking years.

>>158967583
gsg has more than a few skeletons around the closet

>>158968119
Cancer Generals:
/gsg/
/sc2/
/csgog/
/kspg/

Cringe Generals:
/owg/
/utg/
/lisg/
/d2g/
/lolg/
/ksg/

>>158968662
More like a Changping mass grave

>>158968693
owg is okay for grabbing fanart titties and ass

>>158962958
>>158963704
Maybe there should be a civ6 specific section because most new people who come here will probably be for that. Then again I guess there aren't a ton of civ6 resources yet

>>158968776
drg is okay for talking about anal sex with cute girls that deserve it dry and rough

>>158968693
Add /wowg/ to cringe
And it used to be even worse

>>158968802
Yes, this was my idea, but since not a lot of Civ 6 specific stuff has been linked in the general, I thought it best to just keep it like that for now.

But if anyone has by any means relevant Civ 6 only links, then please share them.

>>158963716
http://pastebin.com/KQeXXZ3i

>>158968884
what is drg for

>>158968403
I don't know if you're trying to make fun of the post or the Civ

Considering how bad the Civ is I assume the Civ

>>158968693
put every single mmogen in cancer
except for the actually mmog, i dunno how that place is

>>158968630
>>158968693
I mean at least /gsg/ is somewhat relevant, like the most relevant general on /vg/ I think since it has literally spawned mods that are now the most popular mods in the genre and it has even been hinted at by paradox in a presentation, also Meneth, also /his/(had a large influence in its creation)

>>158968963
dragoons

>>158969163
Meneth was a /gsg/ regular.

>>158969323
yeah that's why I mentioned him

>>158969163
I meant as in 'right now'. Of course /gsg/ had its glory days, but they are long, LONG gone.

It's as if it got nuked and there's just fallout left.

>>158969365
He went off the fucking deep end after we kicked him out though.

>>158969387
I-it can recover! The Empire doesn't fare well but it will rise again!

>>158969323
Meneth was a huge faggot.

>>158969582
He was okay before he became a literal redditor and let his ego go to his head.

/civ4xg/ - trash talking other generals

>>158969674
We're talking about our oneechan thread
Even the first iteration of civ4xg was a split from gsg.

>>158969506
It won't. It's terminal, I'm afraid.
All empires must eventually fall.

They should have done more voice acting imo, leaders have way too few lines

>>158969387
>It's as if it got nuked and there's just fallout left.
Fun fact: Chernobyl is a wonderful place for a vocation.

My point is - it's a question of time before it changes again, or dies and get's revived some years later. Given there are no territory to fight over, all you need is time and luck.

>>158969674
It's mostly faggots with both generals open side by side discussing our intenal shit because someone brought it up here and having serious discussion on /gsg/ is hard. Have a poem. >>158967532

>>158969835
>no territory to fight over
Report and Ignore greets you.

>>158969835
>Fun fact: Chernobyl is a wonderful place for a vocation.
I'm sure it is.

>>158969990
R&I isn't all that bad. Sure he(they) is an autist, but in a reactionary sort of way. The mindless children that spam memes are far more damaging to generals qualit and reputation than his antics.

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>tfw stellaris was saved from /gsg/'s autism
>tfw the autism simulators are left to die

>-7 first impressions

what am i doing wrong this is the most bullshit thing in the game

>>158970223
Who are you playing as

>>158970208
That depends. The actual OP post? Fine. Some of the other shit he's charged with? Eh.

>>158970215
Stellaris is dead anyway while the gs games are going strong and get actually quality discussion when the burgers are off.

>>158970215
And nothing of value was lost.
I'm just joking, I actually really love grand strategy games, but absolutely loathe /gsg/ these days.

>>158970215
reminder: this genberal was dead and gone for months till Stellaris seceded from /gsg/.

>>158970446
Out of curiosity, are you american?

>>158970554
Costa Rican

>>158970446
Just go on when the burgers aren't, 80% quality. Best bet is early Euro or Aussie time in my experience.

>>158968023
I think that the idea is that once you actually get the ball running with respect to science/religion/culture/money/whatever then at least one AI should like you and want to ally. Most of them will hate you because you aren't focusing on the thing they/their agenda are focusing on, but one of them will probably end up liking you in almost every game.

Not like it isn't a stupid as fuck system but it's functional besides the warmongering penalties

>>158970540
>seceded
Funny way to spell 'kicked out'.

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Should I get comfy and then demolish everyone with a navy [was planning to go only for Domination] or restart?

Also, first time German, how should I plant cities and overlap commercial and hansa district? Anyone care to help?

>>158970623
This is absolutely untrue. The responses become short and autistic, the shitposting remains constant.

>>158970540
>seceded
lmao

they got the boot

>>158968023
One agenda in particular fucks you good in this game's current state: Naturalist. If you're chopping woods you can just say that friendship goodbye

>>158970276
It's more like he causes his autism to pass on by osmosis, as the shitposters start sperging because of the early threads and him always getting first post.

>>158970795
>they
You're from /gsg/ huh? go back there and stop trolling.

>>158970765
>2/3 done worker
>13 turns left
why do you do this to yourself

>>158966978
>It really isn't when you get used to it's bullshit. There are a few people with seemingly near infinite time free time on their hands who spend it trolling GSG. Sometime the general descends into shitposting, but most of the time you can have a productive discussion on multiple subjects wit individuals in it. The reasons are many among them:
I think I agree mostly with this.
I've seen /gsg/ as a total shitshow before and thought of it as the worst general, but as with most threads and most boards you can ignore the bullshit.
It has enough traffic that if you have a genuine discussion and just ignore the shitposters who have infinite time, you can discuss your topic with the other two sane people who are present at the moment.

>>158967541
That explains it. Thank you.

>>158970778
Literally no, you get the equivalent of 'pigs' and 'wifi' all day round but also actual discussion. I suspect you don't actually bring anything to the table.

>>158970921
If you're not you're a newfag.

>>158970620
I asked because /gsg/ becomes intolerable during american prime hours for me most of the time. So I figured I'd see if your loathing correlates with my observations.

Essencially this >>158970623.

>>158970778
it really does take a nose dive during american prime.

>>158970841
We discovered perpetum mobile, unsurprisingly it's jump started by salt and tears.

>>158970994
Filters help too. Altho a drastic measure an effective one.

>>158970970
i wanna know how he has 6.3 gpt with zero buildings

>>158970391
>mfw stellaris is a dead game that is getting updates and excellent dlc while hearts of iron 4 has been completely abandoned

>>158971157
Goy4 is shit and everyone knows it.

>>158971020
Totally untrue, by fat the best discussion occurs when the Euros are asleep, during prime USA posting hours, in other words, mid to late evening US time zones.Kids asleep, Euroautists asleep.

>>158970765
>No hills
>No mountains

Do you enjoy having 0 production?

>>158971157
>stellaris is a dead game
I suspect it was a financial success with mainstream audiences.
>hearts of iron 4 has been completely abandoned
While HoI4 was failure all round.

>>158971206
sshut up!

>>158971206
stellaris is garbage too with a worse diplomacy system than civ6
all there is to do is blob all over the universe taking 3 planets at a time in endless wars that you cannot possibly lose because the ai inevitably falls off if you survive long enough

>>158971131
>Filters help too. Altho a drastic measure an effective one.
I think 90% of my filters were for /gsg/ at one point.

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>>158970970
Nothing but Marathon + Huge, baby girl.

>>158971156
pic related

Immortal, btw

>>158971210
You think? That time is a gamble, sometimes a few shitposting spergs wander in
Either way point is, it's good...sometimes. It's shit all other times, if you can't ignore.

>>158970656
My first game only my neighbor Victoria liked me, ended up declaring war on me, even though I had tons of trade routes with her, and accepted her religion. France, my other neighbor, declared war on me super early on and got btfo'd.

The game I'm playing now, my second one, only Japan is not upset with me. It's such a terrible system, I hope they fix it.

>>158971260
germany doesn't 'really' need hills, it has Hansa

>>158971291
>I suspect it was a financial success with mainstream audiences.
It's Paradox's fastest selling game ever and already one of its most profitable.

>>158971303
Stellaris appealed to more people, they're just developing the one that can be more easily salvaged

>>158971372
You don't have Hansa early game

>>158971387
Dumbass casuals.

>>158971509
Early game mines on those 3 sugar should be enough

>>158971325
the real question is why didn't you purchase a builder a dozen turns ago

>>158971583
>sugar

>>158971509
yeah but he does have tiles with hammers around him, hills are absolutely necessary because you can't (normally) get a good industrial zone without them

>>158971387
I keep hearing this repeated, can you provide me with a source. Also it's important to keep in mind that PDX buisness model relies on customer retention, not individual sales of the main game. At any rate, I suspect you are right, I am just curious where you are getting that from.

>>158971583
>sugar

>>158971621
>>158971635
That's not sugar? What was it, salt? I closed the game a few minutes ago and I remember those being sugar

>>158971630
Stellaris had pretty poor retention iirc.

>>158971610
costs 600g, m8

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>Stellaris
>have to agree to become Awakened Ascendancy sattelite
>bide my time for revenge
>100 Trust
>time to ask for independence
>"NO WE DO NOT TRUST YOU"
holy fucking shit why diplomacy is so shit in this game.
maximum trust should fucking mean something.
All i have is perma -50 disagree on everything with them no matter how hard i try...

Also is my science and cash/energy good for just having 8 planets?
tips are welcome.
Also i play fanatic pacifists so war is hard to do.

>>158971713
That's obviously a salt shaker

How do I Roving Clans? I just want to get rich and throw expensive mercs at my problems

I know it's a long stretch but I'll ask here anyway.

Any of you /gsg/-visiting friends have the latest archive downloaded in your PC's? Since it got taken down I kinda got fucked over because I really wanted a bunch of the DLC. And I'd very much like to mirror it or make a torrent of it or something. They say there's a guy that sometimes posts temporary links but I haven't seen him yet.

>>158971630
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-05-10-stellaris-breaks-paradoxs-record-for-day-one-revenue
For day 1 Cities Skylines actually sold more copies but Stellaris generated more revenue.

https://www.paradoxplaza.com/news/Grand-success/
Stellaris selling 500k in a month

>>158971853
Yeah, I also just remembered you don't "mine" sugar. But sugar is in also in the game right? I'm not just dreaming here?

>>158971889
The cs.rin.ru links in the OP hastebin are where archivelad got the DLC and shit from.

>>158971912
>But sugar is in also in the game right? I'm not just dreaming here?
Yes, on marshes.
Really good for food.

>>158971912
Yes. The game seems a bit finicky about having a variety of luxury goods in each game.

I didn't even know Whales were still in as a luxury resources until last night.

>with the sole exception of firaxis and relic (who are canadian), all the major strategy game makers are european
why?

>>158972176
My last game, on my area of the world I had three mercuries, four jades, and one silver.

>>158961620

Somebody?

What map script in V makes maps both balanced in terms of resources/positions and avoids stupid situations like only one deposit of iron/coal for whole map?

>>158971906
Thank you, this is interesting. I hope they will be able to turn stellaris into a game I can be happy with, given I bought the fucker on release. That was last time I bought anything on release from paradox.

I... actually thought I had something. I thought I had something!

Start up a new game of Stellaris.

Go for a spiral (4 arm galaxy). have the entire arm to myself.

Discover, with in my immediate borders a GOD DAMNED RING WORLD!

The next 300 years are dedicated to over coming the defenses of said ring world and to take it for my own.

... ... ... ...

All of it's sections are populated by a Bronze Age, an Iron Age, a Steam Age, and an Atomic Age primitive civ.

I... I rage quit right there because I had xenophile ethics and couldn't do a god damn thing about it.

A GOD DAMNED THING!

>>158972331
Mods.

>>158972356
Is this a shitpost or an underage b& being overly earnest fresh from reddit

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Anyone here play Civ like they're NTR? I setup a game with only 3 civs: myself, Gilgamesh, and Cleo. I build up my capital a little bit and then setup an auto-hotkey script to click next turn endlessly. I then leave my room and sit outside it for a few hours while the game plays. If I come back into the room and the game is still going I mumble a few apologies and excuse myself again. I've thought about knocking on the door before I enter but I don't want the noise to potentially disturb them. A few times my mom has asked why I sit outside the door of my room and I tell her each time "It's my new meta" (she has no idea what that means).

>>158972106
Thank you anon, I should've been more observant.

>>158972309
You are trying way too hard to get a "perfect" start. While there are bad starts, unplayable ones don't exist. Stop restarting and learn the game.

>>158972470
>Mods.
Not enough. I have issues with core design decision that can only be fixed by either a CK2+/Hip scale effort or paradox themselves.

>>158972684
Just like EU4
Oh wait, it was never fixed.

>>158972309
It's not looking to bad honestly, there might be better places in your south. You can salvage it imo

>>158972575
This pasta is already stale and it even hasn't been that long. Try again

>>158972805
Tastes vary. I have thousands of hours in EU4, I enjoyed it for what it is.

>>158972873
It was only funny the first time because it sounded retarded

Is Rome's theme in VI as comfy as V?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DuXkhyYbx0

>civ is in game yet not on the victory screen

I'm spooked.

>>158972938
And I'm telling you Parashit is incredibly unlikely to fix core issues, like directional trade.

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Where should I settle?

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>>158971832
anyone?

>>158973078
Settle near the wheat for mad gainz

>french unique improvement
>literally useless

>>158972980
Rome in 6 truly become the queen of cities. In that it's ics makes it look less like a civilisation and more like a plague.

>>158973057
That's precisely my point. I don't care overmuch about it. I don't have core issue with EU4 outside of excessive rng, especially mana, and that system has enough band aids over it that it's current state is satisfying to me. Granted haven't played it in half a year because you can only play one game so much before burnout.

>>158973201
This. Who the fuck thought +1 culture was okay? On the other hand pretty much every UI is shit

>>158973195
so on the marsh highlighted in green?

>>158973201

just like the french

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>firaxis releases game--works pretty well and most of the bugs and borked mechanics are fixed within a month, dlc expands on the core game mechanics and improves the game as a whole
>paradox releases game--never works properly, bugfixes are embedded in the bi-monthly dlc which adds pointless distractions

>>158973234
>I don't care overmuch
Missing the point: they ain't fixing stellaris either.

>>158973358
Well, bugfixes are free for Stellaris at least.

>>158972684

>Stop restarting and learn the game.

O-okay, I will try...

>>158973453
Patches for Civ are too though..

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>>158973078
you can fit two cities in that river under cologne more cities = better

theres no reason not to spam cities in civ 6 industrial aoe production is too strong + easy to fix the "problem" of amnesties when your cities are so close together with entertainment district

you should make diamond shapes of your hansa + commercial hubs between two cities at least so each hansa is touching two hubs for extra production. pic related is between 3 cities though

>>158973438
Ah. Sadly, I agree with your assertion. I hope there will eventually be enough bandaids so that I can get some more milage out of it, but yeah, I don't have high hopes for it.

>>158973358
Both release unfinished products this measuring contest is pointless.

>>158973453
they are for civ as well. problem is that firaxis loves to compile 'big patches' instead of smaller ones, which means that while more problems are fixed at once, it takes longer to get them fixed.

For my first game of Stellaris, is it advised to play with one of the default factions, or should I try making a custom one tailored toward a beginner? (and if it's the latter, what traits would help out a newbie the most?)

>>158973605
Yeah I'm gonna go full city spam mode since I have amenities up the ass
I'm also going to get lebensraum in the east from Vicky as Manchester has a natural wonder and her capital is overseas, so she can't defend it well
I also noticed that there's a one tile desert surrounded by grasslands too, neat

>>158973797
try making one, minmax or roleplay.

>>158973797
You could probably make a more op/beginner friendly faction but the united nations of earth works well enough for your first playthrough.

>>158973724
Yes but Stellaris also tried to do the same, 1.3 was quite big.

Holy shit, Stellaris' music is really really really good.

What is the best mode of travel in Stellaris? Haven't tried wormholes yet but warp drives just seem so much better than hyperspace lanes late game

wow they made samurai shit again

awful part of tree the musketmen is so close and easier to get

>>158974135
Wormhole

>>158974135
Most people like the bunghole generators

>>158974204
They should just make samurai musketmen

>>158974204
the trees in 6 are generally kind of fucked

>>158974135
wormholes are great because you can use them to jump over the asshole AI's borders when they set up a frontier outpost right in front of your next expansion.

>>158974490
Border are open by default.

>>158974479
to be fair vanilla civ v had a weird science tree as well. Culture tree in civ vi is much better balanced than the science one

>>158974597
Not if you get fanatic purgers right next to your homeworld.

>>158974697
Than you'd better kill them before they expand.

>>158974697
or if you play as fanatic purgers

>>158974116
The production values in Stellaris are by far the best thing about it. Still a fun game though, Paradox has been doing a good job at adding content and fixing bugs in the past and the new patch/DLC is pretty great.

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>tfw overrun by barbarians
>have no idea what I'm doing with my policies/civics/productions
>everyone is randomly befriending and denouncing me
>randomly build things to try out different synergies and nothing seems to work
I'm officially too casual for the most casual TBS/grand strategy out there folks

>>158975031
Yes but it's still a year or two till it becomes an actually finished game.
>game is bigass tribute to sci-fi
>you can't build ringworlds

>>158975103
Production is everything. Get it up as fast as possible and snowball.

>>158971832
>only 58k
>300 years in

What the fuck were you doing all that time?

>>158974647
The culture tree is balanced well but the problem with it is that most things you research are only stepping stones, they don't provide anything useful and you can just ignore them. There are only a few "key" civics that actually make a big difference, like fuedalism, civic engineering, and neighborhoods. Otherwise you get a couple of culture buildings here and there

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>>158975110
>ringworlds
>mfw paradox includes cool shit like this just so cucks will fork over 25 shekels for a dlc that greatly expands on it
at least you can pirate it

>>158975452
I ALWAYS pirate paracuck shit so i don't fucking care JUST GIVE ME DAMN RINGWORLDS. Or space colonies, i want to go full Zeon.

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why can't I build an aquaeduct on the milk tile? do I have to remove cows first?

>>158974010
>>158973992
I kind of want to roleplay as a faction of humans that was long ago splintered off from Earth due to an accidental ship crash of a colony pod in a distant, lush alien world. Most of the adults were killed and the ship's comms are damaged, while the module with hyper-sleep kids survived, along with the ship's AI - so that the AI and the adults manage to, over the course of centuries, build a society on this planet - a very scientifically inclined one, learning from the AI what they can and thirsting for new knowledge.

I was thinking maybe Intelligent, Natural Engineers, but also Weak for traits. Would Weak really screw me over? Is there another negative trait that you'd rather take if you were roleplaying along these lines?

>>158975417
>culture tree is balanced
>most things you research are only stepping stones
How do you not see the problem? Only thing science tree does better than culture is lack of dead ends.

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where should my space elf nazis go next?

>>158975749
Oasis has to be in your territory maybe?

>>158975103
There's no shame if you honestly just don't know how to optimally play a game you're new at.

>>158975103
you're doing something quite radical around these parts, it's called actually playing the game, keep it up, start over and try diffrent leaders.

>>158975874
>>158975749
Pretty sure rules say Mountain, Lake or river. Oasis don't count for it.

>>158976080
Nah it does, I did it about an hour ago

>>158975757
And I'd like to roleplay as literally space nazi. With all their aryan beliefs, the Thule myths, and all the paranormal rituals.

>>158976221
Well I could be mistaken, but in that case removing the sheep would be possible by just picking aqueduct and putting it over it.

Can someone explain to me why everytime I build a military unit in one turn it takes two turns to build the same unit afterwards?

>>158975103
barbarians will wreck your shit pretty durn quickly
invest in ranged units(slingers, archers when you get them)

>>158976471
Leftover Production from your last project.

>>158976370
??????

>>158976471
it probably means you have .66 unit production per turn. Unused production overflows into next unit.

>>158976370
You responded to the wrong post but it still kind of makes sense considering context

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>>158976201
Opened to game to take a ss btw

>>158976370
He might not have the tech to remove sheep

>>158976639
Yes. Quite.

>>158975618
Stellaris has space colonies though???

>england best themed in 5 and 6

damn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRUyeWT-2oM

Out of curiostiy, what do you think is the most complex/least complex Civ during vanilla. Best/worst Civ overall?

>match with girl on tinder
>'i am fond of pigs'
>she doesn't respond

Whatever.

Do you even need pasture tech to remove sheep? I guess it's possible he has aqueducts bun no pastures.

>>158976930
Vanilla is such a nebulous concept.

>>158976930
Best worst civs are probably Scythia and Norway. Most complex are Japan or Germany because to maximize their bonuses you have to plan your districts well, least complex are probably everything else

>>158976930
Scythia is currently in broken tier

UA makes hitting things easier and keeps you alive so you can keep hitting things.

Production of their UU let's you make a lot more things to hit more things. It's incredibly straightforward.

>>158976930
Best are England/Scythia. France and Spain are literally worthless.

>>158976878
Where?

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>Start a huge map on epic
>Spawn between Barbarossa and Pericles
>My luck only allows me to pursue Science
>The only two city-states I've discovered are Seoul and Geneva
>Barbarossa has 6 warriors within my borders
>He declares friendship on Turn 30

And here I was thinking I was inviting death

>>158977178
Not that anon, but what makes England that good?

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Does the "Weak" trait in Stellaris put you in too large of a disadvantage if I want to go as a very Science-oriented race, or is it okay? Should I maybe pick Solitary or Sedentary instead of Weak as a negative?

>>158977307
Not really. It puts you at advantage if you are a warring state though. Weaker armies can just be replaced by droids fairly quickly (especially as a science race) but the -5% minerals hurts a bit.

>>158977307
Wiz, project lead of stellaris, more or less admitted that armies are useless shit and that they aim to remove them. They even accidentally removed Bug event armies from 1.3. So yeah, you can safely take it.

>>158977483
*at a disadvantage
Honestly though its not that big of a deal as a good portion of your mineral production will come from mining stations anyway

Mod that lets you set production and game speed separately when?

I just want marathon length with epic or standard production.

>>158977547
Wonder if they're just going to integrate the armies into fleets and only leave defense forces then

>>158977291
I'm not him but England isn't that good probably average at best not even close to Scythia/Germany level

best part of them is the unique district which is basically a free trade route, no other civ gets a unique harbor or commercial hub so England can get the highest amount of trade routes easiest, problem is settling 3 tiles within a lake or coast

Redcoats are pretty strong but they're not cavalry units which are god tier in this game

British museum seems good but not as good as other civ culture bonuses, I feel like the archaeologists should be cheaper for England you can build two instead of one in each city but they production cost is so high I rather just have 1 getting all 6 artifacts instead.

sea dog is irrelevant naval is useless

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Why did they took that bitch ? If it was just for Women/Man quota, there were so much better French female leaders.
They ruined France, damn, she even talk Italian..

>>158978250
To cater to retarded SJWs.

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>>158978250
I'm sure even had they chosen a better leader they would've butchered her too

>>158978250
napoleon wasn't really french either but nobody complains because he was male

leave you sexist pig

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gilgamesh has conquered 2 entire civs 100 turns into the game and is besieging my southern neighbor
should I be worried?

>>158978385
(you), but even Napoléon talked French and did some amazing things for France, he wasn't just some Queen during 10 years.

>>158978565
yeah those "civs" are city states

the AI lead designer said during battle royale no AI has ever taken more than 3 AI capitals in thousands of simulations so I doubt one of your AI took two already

So reporting on Beyond earth Rising Tide.

The new diplomatic system is both fantastic and a nightmare. The AI spams you quite a bit asking for offers, which is terrible.

Also I think I know my biggest gripe with it: The planets are terribly boring. Miasma not only looks like shit due to not connecting with other miasma when it's next to it, but it's weak as fuck. Other than that it's not particularly different. It doesn't really capture the trials of settling a planet at all.

>>158978892
so AI literally cant win through domination?

what went wrong with beyond earth?

>>158978892
pretty weird then, I swear it was scythia both times
we'll see

>>158979029
>scythia
gilgamesh*

>>158978965
yep the AI lead designer didn't even seem to care while talking about it

just watch battle royale vod and skip to the part with AI lead disigner if you have time

>>158978965

some AI always won with another victory type before that which isnt surprising seeing how easy cultural and religious victory are.

They should have probably turned off every other condition to tune the AIs war capabilities.

>>158979350
>>158979401
You are insane. Given current state of AI. "win a domination victory" is so far down the list of priorities it's probably not on it.

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>>158976753
correct. I had to research animal husbandry for 2 turns. now I feel retarded

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I just recently started playing it, and is there any game with a more anticlimactic ending than Civ V?

>win science victory
>GO BEYOND EARTH button pops up on screen
>click it
>it takes you to the fucking Steam page for Sid Meyer's Beyond Earth
>the last technology in the tree doesn't even do anything, you can research it as many times as you want and it just increases your score
>if you research the whole tech tree you get a George W. Bush quote

Also I really like building all the wonders, what civilizations is best for building the maximum amount of wonders?
I want to build all of them.

>>158980430
The best part is they pushed the patch under the guise of fixes just to put that button.

>>158980369
>54 turns
Are you playing on marathon or do you just have that 1 production?

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>>158980430
>Go Beyond Earth

I can't tell you how salty I was when I first saw that shit.

>>158980430
Egypt, 20% production towards wonders.

>>158980659
Not him but this the only weakness of building satellite cities with aqueduct. Takes way too much hammer but once it starts running, you're set for simcity.

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What do you guys think of my custom race?
It might be a bit boring, but it's my first. I'm this guy

>>158975757

>>158981262
Nice

The culture victory would be best for that, right?

I'm still not quite clear how the "you are now influencing another civilization" thing works

>>158980659
3.4 production on standard. I planned to clear the remaining forest tiles in that area and it'll be like 7-10 turns untill it's finished.
I'm new to the series pls dont bully. it worked for the other districts and forests seem to be unneccesary later

>>158981819
Boring and Science Directorate sucks.

>>158981941
Why does it suck?
t. complete beginner

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>>158975787
>that hair

>>158981819
"Scientific Technocracy" is a bit redundant and triggers me.

alright/10 otherwise

>>158961375
>>158961308
>>158961458
ERRRRRRRT TU REITTRRRRRRRRR?

Don't know how anyone can say other than Aztec being the most OP, if you have any neighbour you can get free builders in the early game which outpowers everything.

>>158982086
There are other kinds of technocracies, technically. So I wanted to be specific
What would you name it, if the star is called Alar and the homeworld is Alaria?

>>158982278
Technocratic Alaphate.

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>>158961191

>mfw brazil's industrial theme plays

Is there a more upbeat and happy theme?

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What are the recommended start settings for a newbie in Stellaris?

What are your personal favorite ones, or ones you really hate?

>>158982760
I wish districts were... districts. Like primarily houses that built off the main city itself and then you can specialize them. I like sprawling metropolises. That was my favorite thing from Endless Legend.

>>158983254
max size, four arm galaxy. ten empires, ten advanced starts and four fallens.

>>158983291
Wait that's not what it's like in Civ 6?

I thought that was the whole point

i am disappoint

>>158983489
you didn't specify if this was your favorite or if this is what you recommend to a newbie

>>158983254
Always turn clustered starts and advanced neighbors off.

>>158982760

I really like Arabia's theme, specifically their atomic age one.

>>158983568
Does clustered starts mean you have a lot of other civs near you or is it to do with habitable planets?

>>158983254
>What are the recommended start settings for a newbie in Stellaris?
Play on defaults. While >>158983568 has a point, it will make game less challenging and more boring. It's already not the most exciting game on the market, so why bother.

agenda diplo modifiers are way too large

civ 6 is my first civ game and it's pretty fun but i feel like a shitter. what am i doing wrong

>>158984530
Clustered starts can be ok, but being forcibly vassalized by an advanced neighbor every game isnt my idea of fun.

Stellaris

Is pacifist compeitive in multiplayer? I could imagine that swapping over to Irene Protectorate later for that 15 core sectors would have to be incredibly powerful.

>>158984928
git gud and all that

>>158971583
>sugar mines

>>158978996
too bland

>>158985121
Dunno, it's a lot of micro, which is massive hassle if the other people you're playing with want a quickish speed (and pausing restrictions).

Also you can just keep a minimal number of core planets running at any given time, develop all planets yourself, then sector them once they're built up. That way you get to have decently built planets and not worry about shitty sector AI. I don't really think more core planets is a useful buff at all, really.