/svg/ Shadowverse General

How do I build a good take two deck?

>>158702097
Don't pick you know you won't drop.

First for Forte

>>158702097
Mind your curve
Try to pick the best overall cards: if you have a pair of two solid cards and one pair of a really good card but a really shit card, pick the one with two good cards instead.
Learn which cards are the best for each class

daily reminder to ignore the tripfag

Why does Dragoncraft have no good 5/6 drops?

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Thanks to the anon who showed me a build last thread. Only needed to clear a bit more vial stuff to finish it with what I had.
Hopefully I wasn't totally bamboozled.

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Should I keep or reroll?

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Anything I can safely liquefy that isn't used in any decks?

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post legos

>>158702097
Use card rankings. A lot of people recommend your first 15 picks try to make a core, the next 15 try to supplement, reinforce, and get good value picks.

Most importantly, practice. Take good trades when you can, try to make a nice curve deck, early minions are great in draft so 1s, 2s, and slightly less so 3s are good to see! If you have one INCREDIBLE OMG card and one absolutely dogshit card and the otherside is two slightly above average cards, take the second. Value consistency. Play for advantage and advancing your game state. Know class cards, important turns for classes.

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>what is tempo?
>what is card advantage?
>what is control? midrange?
>what is...?

From Next Level Magic from Patrick Chapin "The Innovator"

Google his name if you don't know him, the guy knows his shit and is in the Magic Hall of Fame

>THE STAGES OF THE GAME
In a game of Magic, there are basically three stages of play that your strategy is operating at. Keep in mind, this is with regards to you or your opponent, but the two of you are not necessarily going to be at the same stage at the same time. Your stage is independent of theirs.

>STAGE 1
Stage 1 is the early game.
Your Minimum Game Threshold is the level at which your deck can operate on a basic level. For instance, many aggro decks only need three lands to be able to cast most of their spells.

>STAGE 2
Stage 2, or the mid-game, is essentially the most strategically relevant part of the game—and the one where the most relevant mistakes are generally made. Stage 2 is when players have the opportunity to play most or all of their spells, but the battles being fought are still relevant.
The mid-game is where the little battles are fought. These little battles are where percentage points are won and lost, setting players up with the best chance of either reaching a successful end game or ending the game before it comes to that.

>STAGE 3
A control deck, often seeks to win during the end game, or Stage 3; it wants to merely survive the early game in order to get to the point where they can play an appropriate Semi-Soft Lock.
a Semi-Soft Lock is an easy-to-reach set of conditions (which can be as simple as casting a single important spell) that will give you such an advantage that you will usually win most of your games when that condition is met.
A defining aspect of Stage 3 play is that very few of your opponent's cards matter, since they are severely limited in the ways that they can actually meaningful affect the board.

CONT.

>>158702241
Don't know if is soo bad but 2 angelic barrage + 3 demonic storm is too much

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>>158702220
>No good 6 drops
Uhhhh

>>158702295
Are there any classes that do better in arena format? Like I'm able to pick between havencraft, swordcraft and runecraft right now

>>158702305
shut the FUCK up

Is it me or does Rain Devil's evolved art show her bare nipples?

How the fuck is havencraft balanced? I literally can only win if i pull the absolute best cards from my ass possible and it's still down to the wire.

>>158702378

Okay, you're right, it has Forte and Dragonguard for 6 drops.

But the 5 drop slot is just pitiful.

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>>158702305
CONT.

>THE 5 BASIC ARCHETYPES

>CONTROL/PERMISSION
Control strategies generally seek to survive Stage 1, begin building advantages in Stage 2, and eventually reach a Stage 3 end game that will win the game for them. While these strategies tend to be somewhat reactive and tend to employ more powerful cards than many other strategies, they can typically be divided into “those with permission” and “those without permission.”
In general, most Permission-based Control decks rely on a good deal of card drawing to compliment either a boatload of Counterspells, or a token amount of permission and a nice selection of defensive control cards appropriate to a given format.

>LOCK DECKS
Lock decks are a particular brand of Control deck that heavily crosses over into the combo realm at times. The idea here is to create a game state where the opponent can no longer win. If they can no longer win, they generally eventually lose. Rather than resort to a degenerate Stage 3, these decks move to a Stage 2 where they are permanently locking the opponent in Stage 1.

>BURN
Stage 1 focussed decks, a Burn deck can mean a variety of things,where the idea is to have every card in your deck function like a Lightning Bolt, and quickly kill your opponent with direct damage, ignoring anything he does.
This strategy is particularly appealing to amateur players, but not as common among top players, as it removes almost any opportunity to leverage skill in any way during a match. In addition, it is easily foiled.
Modern-day burn decks are based on hyperaggressive low mana curves that typically select the most aggressive creatures in the format. These creatures are used to put early pressure on an opponent, while any creatures that might block are burnt out of the way. Once the opponent's life total is low enough, all of this direct damage provides the deck with some reach, giving them a plan to finish off an opponent who has set up their defenses.

CONT

Anybody have a list for this bloodaggro I'm hearing about? I probably don't have any of the cards but I'm going to assume it's somewhat cheap to make like red aggro.

>>158702271
Hare, Gemstaff, Titania's, Arthurias, Kaguya, Ancient Dragon, Silver Bolt (might be used in memes)

>>158702395
The best classes are Sword and Shadow
Next in line is Haven and Dragon
Then Blood
Then Forest and Rune.
Though I'm of the opinion that Rune is way better than people give it credit for, but unless you've played a lot of Rune you should probably steer clear.

I want Erika to gently choke the life out of Vampy-chan!

>>158702395
Swordcraft is probably the best, I've had mixed success with both Rune and Haven but they definitely more depend on draft luck. Sword is very consistent in Arena, because it focuses on playing for Board using minions, buffing minions, and vomitting minions. A lot of effects for Swordcraft tiny minions are just plain good value.

>>158702267
What are you looking for?
>>158702271
Kaguya is pretty shit

>can't reroll on Steam
aw fuck.

guess I'll do it on my phone and transfer later, what a hassle.

>>158702534

Rune is garbage mostly because of Earth sigils.

Also the 5-minion limit on snowmen makes me sad.

>>158702208
PUFF

>>158702509
http://game-ai.jp/shadowverse/kakyoin-dollar-akirashiki-face-vampire/

>>158702558
Please anon I just fapped.

>>158702534
I think Forest is at least on par with Blood, personally. I feel Haven is very strong against Sword and Shadow, which most people play.

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>>158702491
CONT.

>DISCARD
Another resource denial strategy is Discard.
Commonly discard cards are used to compliment some other strategy.
Discard decks at their core share many points with the modern day midrange decks that have a strategy of adapting whatever strategy the opponent is not. If your opponent is the fast deck, they play control. If your opponent's deck is bigger, they play beatdown. They do neither of these jobs particularly well, which brings us to the inherent flaw in traditional midrange strategies.

>COMBO
when we are describing archetypes, it generally refers to a type of strategy that involves playing a combination of cards that wins the game. You can have combinations of cards that build incremental advantages and winning by being ahead on the board, but for purposes of determining the best methods of defeating them, those sorts of decks don't fall into the traditional combo slots.
Combo decks can be control or beatdown, and generally the difference is whether a combo deck tries to go off as fast as it can (beatdown) or it tries to survive a few turns while it sets up its combo (control).
As a beatdown deck, Combo can be extraordinarily effective, because often one can assemble a winning combination of cards faster than people can deal twenty damage with creatures.
As a control deck, Combo can also be very effective, as a combo kill often solves every problem a control deck might have.

CONT.

>>158702534
Hmmm. I just played shadow and did terrible. I tried to pick the best cards I could and when I could I picked cheap cards since my curve was definitely skewed towards 4-7 cost stuff, but my early game was shit and all of my opponents just shit out followers

If I link shadowverse to steam will I get that mission out of my mission log finally?

>>158702637
Earth Sigils are fantastic in arena. You just need to balance drafting synergy cards and the sigils themselves.
But Ancient Alchemist and Juno's are game-winning bombs if you have support for them, and Remi is also great. They also have Calamitous Curse now, which makes earth rites in take two even more appealing

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>>158702558
>choke
>vampire

>>158702208
>so how long until I know I'm pregnant, I don't feel anything inside

Is Lord Atomy any good?
Should I dust my second one?

Is ghouls banquet worth keeping? It doesn't sound very good

>>158702374
That's what the build showed, so that's how I'm gonna start.
I'll wind up tweaking it down the line if I don't straight up change decks anyways, once I learn the game more.
Textbook decks are fine for learning mechanics, but not for me when it comes to playing for real.

>>158702509
Probably thinking of the one I just made here: >>158702241
Only took like 5k vials or whatever and I only had one of the golds to start.

>>158702781
He looks cool at least

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>>158702671
CONT.

>LINEAR AGGRO
Linear Aggro decks based on some inherent internal synergy among the cards chosen. The idea is that you are playing a bunch of quick aggressive cards that get better and better the more you have, each helping all of the rest.
Perhaps a better way to think of Linear Aggro is that it is a subcategory that can further define a deck. Generally, there are two types of Linear Aggro decks: there are those driven by creature type (Goblins, Allies, etc) and those driven by a mechanic (Affinity, Madness, etc).

>AGGRO CONTROL
An Aggro Control deck is one that seeks to deploy quick threats early and support them with a variety of control cards like permission, removal, and bounce. Against a Control deck, these support cards are used to protect the threats that the Aggro Control player plays. Against a Combo deck, the control cards are used to keep the Combo player out of Stage 3 long enough for the threats to defeat them. Against a beatdown player, the control cards are used to help create a position where the Aggro Control player has a reasonable control of the board and can win with a superior board position. As you can see, Aggro Control decks attempt to do a better job of what it is that midrange decks strive to be—namely, beatdown against control and control against beatdown.
Tempo is often more important in these sorts of decks than in most others.
Defeating Aggro Control is often just a matter of being much faster than them, or just a little bigger.

CONT.

I've been playing for a week, and I want to buy Mordecai, but I can't resist getting packs every time I save up.

I'm slowly developing a Pavlovian boner for Luna too.

>>158702732
I want Erika to beat Vampy-chan black and blue! I want Erika to sadistically step on Vampy-chan until her skull cracks!

>>158702698
You probably don't know how to draft them. If your curve is skewed towards the late game you drafted poorly. You want your curve to spike around the 2-3 range then curve downwards ideally, but sometimes it gets a bit choppy.
Some classes can get away with a disgusting late game curve like Rune or Haven, since they have a ton of removal options, but Shadow is very midrangey in take-two so that's a bad sign.
>>158702781
No he sucks hardcore.

>>158702415
Post it

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>>158702819
CONT.

CARD ADVANTAGE

Card Advantage (or, more accurately, Card Economy) is one of the most important concepts in Magic.
Card Advantage is really just the positive side of the spectrum of a concept known as Card Economy.
Card Economy deals with the one primary resource that a Magic player has that is both initial (seven cards in hand) and residual (one draw phase every turn). Card Advantage, at its core, is about permanent resources, advantages that do not disappear on their own. Cards are the fundamental example, and every other sort of permanent advantage is spoken of in terms of “cards."
Whenever you summon a creature, cast a spell, or put any permanent into play, you are generally dealing with a variety of costs. The primary costs to a card are the casting cost (or land drop) and the card itself.
One of the most important concepts in all of Magic theory is that whenever you play a card, it is not just the casting cost that you are paying. You are also paying the card! When you cast a Giant Growth to power up one of your creatures, the Giant Growth is gone from your hand. You now have one less card to work with.
I know that this may come across as basic, but that is the point: we are talking about the basic building blocks of Magic. With a proper understanding of the basic components of Magic, we can better evaluate everything from in game decisions to deckbuilding to evaluating new cards that come out.

Every single card is either about giving you more and better options or denying your opponent options.

The idea is that cards are just ways that you spend mana and that the player who gets more mana worth of value tends to win at Magic.

CONT.

>>158702819
>>158702671
>>158702491
you do realize this is a clone of heathstone not mtg?

you don't sound very smart talking about archetypes that DO NOT FUCKING EXIST in this game

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>That feel when favorite girl has no fanart

>>158702993
Why didn't you just link the article then go masturbate or something? Would've saved a lot of time and gotten the same results.

>>158703024
>implying basic concepts don't transfer like archetpye makeups, sans one or two, tempo, card advantage

I think posting this is a good thing and I personally never mind rereading it.

>>158703024
I'm confused why so many people mention magic in this thread. Is the magic community full of weebs?

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left or right?

>>158703120
Given that the developers of this game here are professional Japanese MtG players, yes

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>>158702002
At least one anon from last thread wanted these card art sites in one of the OP's documents, not sure it'd make sense to shove it into an intro/FAQ though so for now I'm just gonna go ahead and repost the links in this thread and let you all decide where they ought to go.

This one has all the English RoB cards at 720x900, and is somewhat sensible to navigate:
http://www.corpetit.com/public/rage_of_bahamut/

While this one has cards that were released only in the Japanese version after the international one shut down, and lets you search by artist, but is a bit less easy to sift through since you have to rely on google translate a bit and everything here is only 640x800:
http://seesaawiki.jp/mnga_bahamut/

>>158702415
Not bare, just very very transparent clothing

>>158703143
Right

>>158702571
Im just looking for a decent deck, maybe a haven (for the legos) but Im not sure

>>158703120
MtG spawned mana based card games: FoW, Hearthstone, SV, probably Duelyst and others but I haven't played them.

Should I be trying to make one really good deck to start with? Trying to dailies for all the other classes im not focused on is fucking impossible

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>>158702993
CONT.

TEMPO

As we just saw, card advantage is so very tricky because it deals with a resource that you both start the game with (seven cards) and gain over time (a card a turn). Tempo is actually much simpler, though there has actually been a lot less written on it. As a result, it is more commonly misunderstood than card advantage.

Tempo deals with the resources that you gain every turn, but do not possess initially. The most common of these is mana. The most important thing to remember about Tempo is that it is all of your resources that are temporary (hence the name). These are advantages that will dissipate naturally.
At the beginning of a game you have no mana and no ability to generate mana. During Stage 1, you just don't have the mana you need to work with. As the game progresses, you are able to build up your resources to a point where you can actually cast your spells. This is Stage 2 and the most common way of getting there is by playing land.
Tempo is more than just the mana spent on spells, however. It is the manipulation of any resource that you gain over time, but do not start with. This can include the playing of land, untapping permanents, attack phases, and so on, as well as denying your opponent of these.

The key to understanding tempo is to evaluate everything in terms of how much this resource is worth right now. To take tempo away from your opponent is to give yourself tempo, but this matters not at all if you don't do anything with it.
Tempo is only worth what you can do with it.
When you are building a tempo-based deck, the key is to figure out what advantage you are gaining as a result of the tempo you are producing. A Faeries deck gains tokens and cards, but also very much takes advantage of all of the extra attack phases it gets.

If you are trying to figure whether or not to throw away resources in a game for temporary gain, ask yourself what you are doing with that tempo anyway.

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>>158702915
If that's just armor/whatever (and it probably is) then that's some really strange lighting

>>158703093
He wants those (you)s.

>>158702487
5 drop slot is also Forte!

>Arena
>Enemy plays Olivia
>Lose
Nice game shadowtards

>>158703118
that's not what your worthless irrelevant walls of text are about

they describe shit like permission, lock, discard, none of which has any relevance in this game

What're some decks you want to build?

I really run a Laelia gimmick beat and Turbo Atomy.

>>158703120
Magic is the TCG grandfather, all modern TCGs still follow many of the same concepts and articles/cards/whatever from MtG are helpful to look at to further your skill in card games in general

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>>158703285
>oponent plays Olivia into my Mordecai
>mfw

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i dont know what i'm doing but i still win hehe

>>158703285
>tfw you beat 2 olivia players with 0 legs drawn

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>>158703345
I'm not textwall anon, senpai, just someone thinking it's a valuable newbie resource.

And that's why I said sans one or two. Minus one or two things, most of it is relevant baka. And I would argue D Shift is a soft lock deck but w/e

>>158703412
Is there a patch to fix all that censored crap yet?

>>158703173
why is this allowed

>>158703361
I want to atomeme people but I only have 1 atomeme, so I crafted tyrants instead.

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Which card is the most important for swordcraft, Aurelia, Tsubaki, or Otohime?

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I wish Arisa was my best friend so we could go out and play together.
I wish Erika was my bodyguard/maid who would always protect and watch over me.
I wish Isabelle was my fiance so I make love to her every night.
I wish Luna was my daugther so we could go out for adventures while we bully Arisa.
I wanna beat Eris to death with a shovel and bury her in the backyard where the dog takes his shits.

>>158703557
For Steam, you just replace 8 or 9 files and it's uncensored.

>>158703625
out of those 3, Otohime, Aurelia, Tsubaki in that order

>>158702267
That's a lot of vials there, just keep the cards for the deck you wanna make then grind the rest and feed them to your main deck

I just downloaded this game a couple hours ago, I wanna get into it but i've never played any hearthstone/mtg type card game before and I have no idea what any of the terminology means or what to do with my cards, I can't even get past the 4th story mission. wat do

>>158703625
Otohime > Aurelia > Tsubaki

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>>158703615
Because it's nice, anon

>>158702267
>Wyvern Cavalier
>Two Satans, one animated
It might be a meme deck nowadays but if you don't build turbo Satan ramp to make use of that beautiful animated value then you have no soul

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>it's turn 6

do you want the white spear or the black spear shoved directly up your ass?

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>>158703684
>>158703712
Thanks. Any golds I should be on the lookout for?

>>158703776
both at once

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>>158703776
Neither, my Bellringer will stop you dead in your tracks

>>158703830
I hope you have enough room for four more of them after that

>>158703776
Either is fine, just step on me too.

>tfw no answers and this is the 3rd time asking

Will linking my account to steam finish that starting mission that clogs a daily spot?

>>158703809
Alwida's goes into any Sword deck

Frontguard General is a slower card but still really good if you want to play Control sword or slap 1 or 2 into a Midrange deck

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post waifu songs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc-DgRO1SrQ

>>158703625
Tsubaki is the only one used in banner so her :^)

>>158703998
banner is shit tho

No idea, doubt it. Just do a facebook/g+ and get it over with.

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Why does evolving her make her eyesight worse?

>>158704045
if you mean banner is THE shit, then yes we are in agreement

>>158704083

Same desu

can I play mill

>>158704213
no

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how do i convince my gf to dress up like pic related

I want to ravage her

>>158703920
maybe

>>158704243
a post so nice you felt the need to post it twice

it wasn't funny the first time faggot

>>158704213
Nope. Literally impossible.

what should i go for if i'm wanting to play mid range?

>>158704369
Sword

>>158703681
Which ones?

How?

>>158704243
Just ask her anon.

>>158704397
how much rerolling would it take me to get the cards needed for it

who wins in dshift versus seraph?

>>158704482
Maybe one try
Maybe a few hundred

>>158704450
Forgot the exact name, but it was class3 named files.
Alternatively, go to /svg/. They have links on that in the OP.

>>158704520
Dshift.

>>158704520
dshift is heavily favored, they should win the turn before or after seraph comes down

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Apparently Rune doesn't like getting their own medicine.

>>158704520
DShift.
Though while DShift usually utterly, completely annihilates control decks with no mercy, Seraph actually stands a chance if DShift draws slow and the Seraph player has their combo ready. Unless the DShift is running petrification. In which case it's unwinnable.

What's the most legendaries you've gotten in one pack? I just got 4

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Man, it's not easy picking between Urias and Vampy

What's the least expensive class?

>>158704773
facecraft

>>158704712
>best husbando vs. worst girl

not that hard anon

>>158704605
>Alternatively, go to /svg/
Where the fuck do you think we are?

>>158704312
You can try milling yourself. But you're probably going to before you deck out.

Why does every japanese guy in ranked disconnect instead of concede?

>>158704836
He said Vampy not Eris.

>>158704893
Oh. My mistake.
I actually have another tab open of a Shadowverse thread open on /v/, and I got distracted. But there's a link in the OP that shows a comment about uncensoring.

>>158704773
Aggro. Blood and Sword have dirt cheap aggro decks that require no/few legendaries while Shadow/Dragon/Haven have some semi-cheap decks available. Drink Runeslut tiers for a living.

>>158704893
Probably thinks it's /hsg/ desu. I'm a cross poster, but I barely post in /hsg/ since I picked this up.

>>158704981
also fuck off autocorrect

>>158704091
those are cod gunnar glasses

>>158704904
Discard Dragon is actually incredibly good at milling itself

>>158704945
turns off phone

>>158704945
I'm not sure why but I think they are trying to fake disconnect so they can cheese a free win. I don't know why these fuckers do shit like this in C rank.

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>tfw you go 1st in a T2 mirror and win without using any evolutions.

Should be an achievement for this.

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>>158705115
Well that's the wrong image.

>Finally decided to go with the original set of packs I got with literally one Legendary
>Liquidated all the animated cards for Budget Spell Runecraft
>Am having a fucking blast
I made the right choice.
>The process of converting it to full cost is literally a 8 card difference and I only need to save up for 5 of them
>2 Iceform
>2 Levi
>1 Merlin
Short, simple goals are the best.

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>steam release parasite
>first arena
>oh boy this should be fun
>first opponent generates infinite 1/1 bats from the start of the game and wins exclusively because of those

Fun game?

>>158703750
Any suggestion for a satan deck?

>seraph vs dshift
>he never plays anything to the board
>neither do I
>he keeps floating most of his mana because there's nothing on my board to interact with
>play seraph on 8 and win next turn after doing nothing all game

most interactive match of my life. if he had drawn his sorcery caches I was probably fucked but he didnt so clearly I outplayed him

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I am in need of sage councel from experienced anons

This is what I got with my steam account, the ingame ID account is instantly binded to your Steam account, so rerolls are impossible.

Is this decent enough to start playing or should I download the game on my phone and start rerolling from there?

>>158703143
Left.

>>158705373
go back in time to pre-DE

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Goleme Protection? More like I need protection because I wanna fuck this card!

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>>158704954
Consider yourself indicted scum

>>158705434
>d
Well, it depends, what do you want to play?
Figure that out and figure the most costly cards and whether or not your Vials cost is reasonable or too high.

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so this is what my shadow deck looks right now, i know its not great but is there anything that i should absolutely add/remove?

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Why isn't she in the game? she's their most popular character

is it shameful copying other peoples decks?

>>158705434
Good cards to play with Havencraft won't be that good
5/10 start

>>158705552
Not a RoB character.

>>158705434
I would download it on your phone and see what you get, you have a nice gold Cache but you could do muuuuch better.

Did those Cynthia give you emblems when you pulled them?

>>158705572
not at all

>>158705552
>>158705597
She might make it as a card back.

>>158705373
Only use if you wanna meme people, or in low ranks. It's an old list but I added some siegfrieds:
https://shadowverse-portal.com/deck/1.4.62sZ2.62sZ2.62sZ2.5_394.5_394.5_38w.5_38w.5_38w.62sZM.62sZM.62sZM.62u_c.62u_c.62u_c.62v0O.62v0O.62v0O.5_4sI.5_4sI.5_4sI.62u_S.62u_S.62u_S.62u_m.62u_m.66j8S.66j8S.62xRs.62xRs.62vkA.62vkA.62vkA.61NLI.61NLI.61NLI.61SE6.61SE6.62sac.62sac.62sac

what do i spend shekels on?

>>158705572
It's actually the norm for card games. Is it shameful to copy top poker playstyles and mindsets? Not at all.

You also have the choice to try to optimize it, tweak it, tech against the meta, make it your own, etc. Plus, if you are new to CCGs, seeing how decks play, the typical curves, wincons, combos, etc. can be more inspiration for you while providing a fruitful playing and learning experience!

>>158705727
arena

>>158705681
Even if they made them real money only, Granblue sleeves would sell quite hard.
Especially a stack of short stacks sleeve.

Does linking to steam complete the "Link Shadowverse with another service" mission?

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I don't think I can handle this game's blatantly unbalanced 2nd turn boost much longer.

That 3rd evolution is straight up cancer. Allow both players to have 3 or 2, but that extra evolution makes way too much difference.

>>158705417
my favourite matchup desu, very skillful

>>158703626
What about dragon bro who's name I can never remember?

>>158705856
>forgetting based Roland's name

>>158705845
Stop being shit

What cards to put in my midriff blood deck?

>>158705856
Rowan, I think

>>158705845
Hasn't been an issue for me playing modified basic sword deck in ranked, maybe at high ranks

How do I:
>Decensor
>Japanese voices
>while keeping story text in English

>crimson purge

>dance of death

why is this allowed?

>>158705856
You mean Gintoki?

1 ancient elf, 1 Tia, 1 cerberus, 1 odin
only good gold 1 cynthia and some meh bloodcraft

nothing animated

Should I keep this bros? or I could get better? it's like my 6th reroll and the rest were way worse like 2 skull flame and best I got was an animated fairy princess.

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>>158705921
>Roland
Guess he wasn't very based after all
>>158706007
There's nothing wrong with Crimson Purge.
Dance of Death was a fucking mistake though.

How 2 play

>>158706070
>elf knight cynthia
Makes fairy decks fun.

>>158703626
>you will never have Urias as your cool uncle

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>>158706072
>Dance of Death
>A Mistake
>Enables cheap decks for everyone

>>158706070
>1 ancient elf, 1 Tia,
the decks of these cards need more 2 copies and is fucking expensive

Roll my friend
>>158705993
Read the privous thread
>Jap V
Change to JP>go to files> copy the paste 'V' > change to EN> substituve the Paste 'v'

>>158706072
It was literally a power creeped Execution. "2 damage to face is definitely equal losing the ability to spend 5 to destroy an amulet!"

how common is aoe removal? hearthstone made me afraid to ever flood the board with shit

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>>158706070
>ancient elf, tia, and cynthia
It's time to play with the fairies
>>158706182
I love the fact that every single aggro deck in the game now has access to hard removal with reach on-curve for my midgame wards, the supposed counter to said strategy. What a fantastic design decision that one was.

>>158706223
That doesn't decensor the game.

So how often were Arisa and her lesbo elf friend rubbing cunnies?

>>158706279
very common. Twisting Nether in this game costs 6 mana for example

>>158706238
It's actually not.
If you're playing control, execution is a nice card. The flexibility to kill problematic amulets like Royal Banner, Elana, Dire Bond, and others is great, and you don't really care about dealing 2 damage to face.

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This will probably be the maximum number of legendaries that I will ever get. Should I attempt to make a bloodcraft, shadowcraft, or a dragoncraft deck?

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>>158705715
Thanks anon

>>158706405
I've actually used Execution a bit in Take Two and pre-DE, so yeah, I agree. I just think it was silly they reprinted essentially an aggro version of it, is what I was saying.

>>158705531
help?

>>158706416
>3 shitty legos
But you can always vial it and make good deck desu i would do it

>>158705845

The winning rate starting second is like 51~54% compared to going first. Before the expansion going first was better and before that going first was even better.

I'm starting to think the real reason I find losing so much less frustrating than hearthstone is because of the auto mute option.

>>158706182
What is Execution? Aggro deck shouldn't be allowed more reach alongside a strong removal. The only counter to that would be strong heals, which decks like Swordcraft, Shadowcraft, Dragoncraft can't really casually.

>>158706527
It's especially stupid because all the fucking premier aggro classes already had their own hard removal with benefits. Shadowcraft had Call of the Void, Bloodcraft had Crimson Purge, Swordcraft had Onslaught, Tsubaki, and Giant Slayer, and Havencraft had Acolyte's Light. There is no fucking reason for DoD to exist. At all.

>>158705771
This.
It's really the best way to learn how to play a game to start along with gaining some understanding of deck building.

>>158706656
Japs are polite. They wouldn't bm you.

>>158706656
Yogg ,coin flip don't make you mad?

How do I into bloodcraft?

What's a good site for finding decklists?

my id only consists of 9 and 11s wtf game

>>158706881
I only get mad when they say Thank You, I'm sorry, Hello, or Outstanding after I get screwed by Yogg or a coin flip.

>>158706938
game-ai
gamewith
gamepress

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>>158706886
>how do I into bloodcraft?
first:you need Vania
seccond:what type of blood? control or aggro?

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tfw her cock and balls are bigger than yours

>>158706974
>casuals detected

Yogg is terrible and most no one plays it, they took out sorry, and coinflips don't determine the game so much so as if you play Midrange Shaman or not. Tier 0 atm, it's super fucking oppressive and has really all but killed my love for the game

>when you draw so badly you lose to dshift as stormhaven

earth rites ruined my life

>>158707197
This triggers me

I see a Rune, mulligan hard for good curve, but didnt draw good cards anyway

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Should I wait for more rupies to buy Forte. Or does the dude get replaced in story mode with Forte if I buy her?

>>158707036
Either or both. I just seem to die whenever I get to vengeance unless I play nothing but taunts for the rest of the game

>>158703776
I don't get it is does she ignores wards or something? She can't be that good.

>>158707272
How so?

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>>158707314
My deck is something like this, try to see what you need and don't spend vials until you know what you want
>legos
The legos of Blood are pretty shit now because the class is lacking of good sinergy and useful cards

>>158707313
She's purely cosmetics... Nothing gets affected in Story Mode if you switch leaders.

>>158707375
Just that she's a 5/1 with Storm and you can't attack her back

>>158707375
>7 damage to the fact out of hand on turns 4~6 with evolve thanks to ramp
>Can't be attacked during overflow so you need removal to clear her
That's it. Storm is just really good overall.

>>158706072
>waah now my busted af legos can be removed by cheaper decks.

Fuck Elf Child May. This and Ancient Elf are why Forest has almost no bad matchups and just shits on every playstyle and deck.

>HS tier RNG bullshit
>three of in every deck
>can constantly be cycled back in

It's efficient removal that can completely fuck aggro decks. Even without being able to control the shots it is effective at board clearing and preparing for big drops from the cycle.

>>158705636
I got a few of avatars from the legendary ones, not for the elf cynthia.

I'm currently downloading the game on my phone to start the reroll hell

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I did it! For her!

>>158707526
No one hates Dance of Death because it's common you idiot. Most classes have BASIC hard removal, and Execute is only an uncommon.
It's the fact that it has burn attached to it for no reason so now it's an auto-include 3x of in every single aggro deck ever made.

>>158707469
One thing I've been wondering, does changing leaders also give new dialogue, like when the match starts/ends, and those little dialogue options you get during the match?

>>158707810
Yes it does, they all have their own dialogue.

will you try to snipe kripp anon?

>>158707464
I see. Do you have a control list too?

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>that feel when you misclick but win anyway

>>158704213
I wish. Maybe someday. Mill Rogue is the only way to have fun in HS

>>158707873
>tfw you want on stream snipe someone but you're too high rank so you get to play against a non stop conga line of tryhard gooks insteas

>>158707810
Not in story mode. In any other game mode, they just change your leader appearance and you have different lines. If you play Hearthstone, its the same thing with different hero skins.

does face dragon want to go first or second? That third evolution seems really important for even more powerful fortes

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I feel dirty
how do you beat this curve?

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>>158705406
>>158704595
Reposting in the new thread. Any and all advice is appreciated!

>>158707862
Here but it's way more expensive and not that good.
But it's satisfaction heal 15hp in one turn and all the gimmicks of blood

>>158708058
>How do you beat this curve
You don't. It beats you.

>>158708030
Almost everyone wants to go 2nd at this point. Evolutions are too strong. The only times you want to go first is maybe Aggro mirrors.

>>158707846
>>158708004

Cool.
Now I'm hoping even more that my husbando eventually becomes a leader card.

http://imgur.com/a/jah2S
Keep or reroll?

Does ranks reset every month? I'm already rank c despite only playing a few hours.

Whelp. Now that people are aware of Aggro Blood, it became a shit deck overnight. It's so easy to tech against and it falls flat on its face against other aggro decks.

>every deck I play against in ladder has angelic barrages
>Aggro Shadow and all Sword decks both run efficient ward cards
>of all the aggro decks, Blood has the absolute worst turn one and two

I had put all my vials into crafting for this deck early on, but it just isn't cutting it and the more I try to tech in answers to aggro the worse it becomes.

Blood's terrible cycle capabilities are probably the true heart of the issue though. Both Blood Pact and Dire Bond are just PLEASE KILL ME against anything but the slowest decks. It's a class best suited to aggro that has no good cards.

>>158708228
>imgur

>>158708292
People were running Angel Barrages since ages ago. You see it more the higher you rank up, and it's not because of blood - people are teching against Forest.

>>158708256
No. The only thing that resets each month is Master rank points.

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>>158708080
Make the left deck, scrap Erasmus and then one Dominator if you absolutely need the Vials.
Then build up a supply scrapping extras until you can do the right deck.
You can 1:1 the Minions and replace one Sammy with an Iceform or Snow whenever you feel it's a good idea
Then when you got all that, swap the Caches for other Iceform and 2 Snows or 3rd Snow and both Iceforms.

>>158708292
why have you not posted the deck and why does it have dire bond

>>158708228
sort your damn cards better

>>158708375
Currently I have everything but the two Merlins. That's why I figured I could just shortcut to the Merlins by vialing off a handful of things I won't ever use..

>play well first three turns
>great tempo
>but I went first
>opponent's turn 4
>they are playing a class with an auto win evolve turn 4
>evolve
>clears my entire board for free
>they are left with advantage
>we are tied in evolve points even though they evolved
>they even got to draw an extra card early on

wow really balanced!

Should I use my rupies on packs or save them for portraits?

>>158708501
>Being bad
Yeah going second is an advantage but not nearly to the degree you're meming.

I want hearthshitters to leave.

>>158708516
Depends on how much you love Vania.

>>158708292
Dire Bond isn't really an aggro card. You best be running Bloody Mary if you're running that shit.
And actually, the true Aggro Bat Bloodcraft list beats other aggro decks because it is the fastest aggro deck in the game. You can kill people on turn 5 pretty easily thanks to Blood's powerful burn.
It doesn't even have the worst t1 or t2. It has ambling wraith for t1, which is a nice aggro card since it gets them for 1 and ahs the typical statline, and t2 you have blood wolf for instant damage, summon bloodkin for two 1/1s, which is good in aggro especially when buffed, or vania, who is a priority target lest she start getting extra damage off her ability.

>>158708256
So do I automatically collect the score rewards if I have the score for it.

>>158708501
Learn to get luckier, scrub.
I bet you didn't even pray for good RNG before starting the match.

>>158708478
The Merlins are just icing, really.
Those 3 Cost 2/3s will more than suffice, since they fill the same usage as a Merlin.
>Drop
>Evolve
>Attack with Merlin or Wizard
Cause if it isn't dead by next turn, you're in fucking value town and playing against either a scrub or someone with a TERRIBLE curve and you pretty much win cause next turn or the one after will be Shifting time.
Hell, sometimes Wizard is better than Merlin cause you got all your Draw and could use an extra buff instead of an extra card.

>>158708501
If a single evo is enough to turn the board state around you weren't "playing well" the first three turns.

all you new people don't know this but without the 2nd card, going 2nd used to have only a little over 40% winrate vs going first. Yes, this is including the 3 evos and evolving first.

The balance only broke with DE, and not by as much as you guys think. It's a 2-3% advantage for most decks right now to go second.

>>158708478
Just liquefy dragon flute, erasmus, and beast dominator. If you don't have enough for two Merlin's after that then liquefy all the Dominators.

>>158708501
The idea is that since the 2nd player will be behind, they get the evolve advantage. Back before DE, going second was worse even with the extra card, because having the mana advantage and tempo advantage of going first was still better. Now it's only better marginally. Sometimes you will lose because you went 1st, yes, but you can still easily lose because you went 2nd too.
Fucking hate all these newfag shitters complaining about how broken going 2nd is because they suck.

>>158706647
It's actually way bigger than that right now according to recent Japanese data. Even the most aggressive/low curve decks still have a sizable increase in winrate when going second. Going second is broken right now. It doesn't help that cards like Cudgel and Floral Fencer are so strong in this current meta.

Getting an additional evolve, the ability to evolve first, and an extra draw is retarded.

>>158708804
Here's a question, what if the player going 2nd had one more turn before they could evolve?
Would this shift it towards the realm of "2nd is more likely to lose than 1st" or roughly even it out?

>>158708701
>Those 3 Cost 2/3s will more than suffice, since they fill the same usage as a Merlin.
No no no no no.
Merlin is not icing. Merlin is the most important card in the deck besides DShift and Flame Destroyer, and she is the glue that holds it all together. The fact that Merlin draws you two spellboost cards upon evolving is the key to the deck's consistency, because it ups your chances of getting DShift early astronomically, and without her the deck will be much slower and much less consistent.
Without Merlin, Dshfit would be a tier 3 gimmick deck at best.

>>158708902
Floral Fencer is no stronger than it was pre DE. Cudgel is only retarded in combination with the activation of Beastcaller Aria

>>158708902
No its fucking not.

http://shadowlog.com/trend/

The "10%+!" difference people cite is from extremely small sample sizes for specific decks that aren't played much on the bottom of the list.

In terms of overall winrate across all decks, the difference isn't above 4% for any deck, usually 2-3% and it shrinks the closer you get to Master.

>>158708902
Floral Fencer's the same as always.
Cudgel's not the problem, it's Aria.
2nd player needs to be able to evolve first, else 1st player will absolutely crush them. They also need the extra evolve, else 1st player will be able to keep the tempo lead after the evolve wars are over despite having it in the first place.

I'm a bit confused.

Let's say I have the game both on my phone and on Steam

Device Link is for playing on both Steam and my phone, and Account Link is for generating a ID+code to stop playing in my current device and switch completely to steam?

Noob here, what's the difference between ranked and unranked multiplayer matches?

>>158708935
1st player's win rate would skyrocket and going second would basically be an auto-loss unless you're playing a control deck with board wipes if player 1 could evolve first.

>>158709289
All your data is synced in the game's servers. The code will just let you request the data from there. You can play simultaneously on any number of devices.

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elf nerf again when? maybe 3rd time will be the charm. it'd be nice if she had one bad match up even

>>158709415
ranked wins and winstreaks build towards your score rewards which gives you freebies, unranked just lets you play for nothing basically

>>158708701
>>158708710
>>158709026
I appreciate the input, boys. I'll figure something out to play the Merlins. The deck itself is great fun to play with though. It seems like a classically miserable deck to face however.

>>158708378
I don't run Dire Bond, but a lot of the aggro decks in the recent Japanese tournament did. I run Blood Pact and even that accelerates your health down way too much, especially if you're going first and they get three evolves to go face with.

>>158704213
Considering you lose the moment you run out of carfs (you literally lose instantly) mill might be OP

>>158709441
so, if I'm currently playing on my phone and want to be able to play also on Steam, with the same exact account , should I chose Device Link or Account Link?

>>158709469
remove roach

>>158708615
>some decks have 10%+ higher win rate when going second
>still claiming it isn't a big deal

Even something as small as five percent is a big deal.

>>158709586
device link

>>158709491
Yeah DShift is hot dogshit against aggro and it's the reason it's not very common on ladder but played a lot in tournaments.
>>158709531
That's the norm. Decking yourself generally leads to an immediate loss in TCGs.
HS is the odd one out with its fatigue system.

>>158709531
mill might be op except there's literally no way to make your opponent overdraw

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>>158709621
Everyone would probably just play pure PtP then

>>158709624
>>158709071

>>158709624
read you retard >>158709071

>>158709495
Sounds like you just want to cut Blood Pact then, so just go ahead and do it. That's how you make adjustments to a deck according to your experiences

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What happens when you link your Steam account to a mobile account? Does Steam get rid of your original account and replace it?

>>158709621
Roach should be 0/1 desu

>>158709194
>>158709032
>tier 1 aggro sword pre DE
>three top tier sword variants post DE
>floral fencer is the same as always it's no big deal!

Really makes you think...

>>158709630
thanks anon, sorry for the spoonfeeding thing

>>158709683
>Garuda
>Moon bunny
>Urd
I fucking hate to suggest this to someone, but...
Keep it. Play Storm Haven.
You have good bloodcraft cards too with Queen Vamp, Mary, Erinys, Azazel, and Dire Bond, so when you get tired of being the meta cancer you can try to make a blood deck.

>>158709867
Pretty much what I was thinking looking at his reroll too.

>>158709771
Except lack of draw is already a huge problem with the deck. Look at Forest and Sword. They cycle through their deck extremely efficiently and this is how they never run out of steam.

To make matters worse Aggro Blood runs more burn spells than any other aggro deck so you have way more dead draws because of it

>>158709837
>three top tier sword variants
Uhh, no. Midrange is top tier, control and banner are tier 2.
>>158709946
Forest and Sword are not aggro decks, except for Banner Sword, which frequently does run out of steam even with avant bladers. That's just how aggro decks work anon. Maybe you should play a different deck archetype.

>>158709837
>sword can make a minion stick on the board
>better nerf it

>have 3x of most relevant legendaries now
>all I play is dirt cheap aggro because it wins more and fucking over dshift feels like the Lord's work

I didn't ask for this

>>158709837
It's honestly not one specific card that makes Sword so good, even Otohime doesn't fall into this as much as people meme about her - she's not used in banner and not necessary in control

Sword's strength is really just tthe entire package together, they have cards and tools for almost every situation and none of their cards are really shit at all honestly.

Rather than nerf sword, I'd rather see other crafts get brought up to Sword's level. A craft being able to play aggro, midrange and control is a good thing. When you look at a craft like blood, they basically only have aggro cards and most of their control or value cards outside of a handful are complete jokes.

what are the easiest higher level decks to make for a new player? face dragon seems simple to make if you roll a forte with 5 other random legendaries

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Oh hey, first reroll and 4 Legendaries, I might actually go ahead and play with this one.

>>158710082
is it really easy to get legendaries without paying real money? how do you do it? thinking of just giving up on reroll and just grinding and having fun for cards instead if its easy enough.

>>158710286
Face Dragon only uses Forte for legendaries. Easiest top tier deck to make is Storm Haven because you don't even need any legendaries at all.

>>158710286
Don't kid yourself with those subpar aggro decks.
Storm. Fucking. Haven.
Tier 1. Cheap as shit. Braindead to play. Most played deck in the game by a huge margin with an above 50% winrate. The cancerest of ladder cancer.

>>158710342
>Soul Dealer
>Skullfane
>play with this

Hahaha

>Played for eleven hours today

Oh boy here we go.

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GODDAMMIT NO

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
FUCK YOU ARENA

>>158710387
I got 14 legendaries on my first roll on Steam. Didn't get shit while rerolling at a snail's pace on iOS though.

>>158710436
pls no bully

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It's time we put aside stupid bullshit like balance and talk about what really matters: our user IDs. post IDs and let's see who's got the real big dick in town

>>158710724
reroll those are all shit

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>>158710651
>picking seraph in arena
>probably over other golden/legendary

you deserve it, scrub

>>158710734
browse the friends list in the OP for some

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these lolis are LIT senpai

>>158710821
I want to play with this necromancer

>>158710821
I would play so many fun games with her

Ladder sure feels like a grind fest

I read somewhere that your rank doesn't reset between seasons. Can anyone confirm this

>have seraph/heal haven built
>d-shift built
>bloodbat aggro built
>just want to play a forestcraft deck

I could get like 13k dust if I trashed anything I wasn't using but that doesn't even cover all the legendaries. End it all.

>>158705552
Gross as shit, Vampy is queen and ever shall be

>>158710890
Only Master Score resets.

>>158710792
I had to pick a retarded number of countdown synergy cards. I've got like four Pinion Princes.

I had the guaranteed win, and even a ward up, but he pulled exact lethal out of his hand.

>>158710890
Yep. You can never go down full letter grades like from C to D

Would bloody mary + soul dealer be a OP 1 turn combo? Or do they not interact

Reck your opponents life points while playing two followers with decent stats

>>158711002
>9 pp combo
>needs you to be at 20 hp or near full hp to be worthwhile

gee anon, I don't know

>>158702002
I need to feel Erika's VAGINAL RUGAE with my FINGERS

>>158710987
Can you go B2 -> B1?

>>158711062
Yes

>>158711062
Do you mean between seasons? your rank does not change between seasons at all. Like someone said, only your placement within Master resets, but you stay Master still.

It is a huge grind to get to Master, but the fact that it doesn't reset makes it a one-time grind.

If you mean "can you lose score and derank from B2 to B1" then yes, you can do that.

>>158711053
Princess pls

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>>158709867
Funny thing is, I actually did see Bloodcraft options from even this roll, because this past reroll (nope, not even one Legendary) seemed to be nudging me in that direction (and Havencraft).

As decks go, I wanted something with Swordcraft, but I'm open to trying Bloodcraft or Storm Haven. I'll stick with with this roll and see how it goes.

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are these unlockable alternate leaders? Or are the only alt leaders the ones you buy for 500 sheckles?

>>158708292
>blood has the absoluet worst turn one and two
That's not shadow. Literally Goblin and Fighter 1 and 2. At least Blood has bats and/or 2 attack storm.

Ok, i installed my steam account and i just need to use the code from steam in my mobile to link and use the same account in the mobile? am i retard btw

>>158711341
>playing as lord of the flies

they missed an opportunity desu

What happens if my cards with ambush get ward?

>>158711341
They're just the legendary cards in the pack... You can however obtain their Emblem (Avatar Picture) if you happen to pull the legendary card from their packs.

>Do ranked matches in B0 for quest
>I get matched up against people with like 18k or even 20k score when I am only 11k score

What the fuck?

>>158711341
Those are Legendary Minions.
They also give you icons for your profile page.
The Leaders are under the left shop tab.

>>158711341
Those are just all the legendaries from the DE set. Wouldn't mind if they put in a Pascale alt leader though.

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>>158710821
too old.

>>158711341
I'd instant buy a Seraph leader

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Reroll or keep?

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>>158710651
>>158710792
NUMBA ONE ARENA DECK, BOYYYYYY

>>158711369
Why did you use Goblin and Fighter as examples when you have strictly better class cards?

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>>158710773
I got 5 this time, anon

>>158711460
no need to complain, you lose 70 if you lose and gain 150 if you win, it's not like their decks are guaranteed to be better than yours either

How do I counter Havencraft amulets?

>>158711625
He's saying Skull Beast and Spartoi Sergeant are basically Goblin and Fighter since they have the same statline and their effects don't actually do anything until later, so in terms of actually fighting for the board, they're no different than playing Goblin and Fighter.