/scg/edg/ - Star Citizen and Elite: Dangerous General #82

First for space is cool

Second for space sucks, earth is better

>>158499427
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8aFcHFu8QM

Space is gay and nothing

yuki.la/vg/151295730#p151295730

*sheds a nostalgic tear*

>>158499984
>>151299608

LOL

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#RehabilitateTheRetaliator

>>158500050
>tfw still waiting to land on atmospheric planets

>>158500116
Just implement armor and make turrets not get fucked by pilot maneuvers.

Why do we need our scanners to be so fucking heavy?

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but moooom, we were going to head over to the javelin and pick up some power converters
- last words of luke sandwalker, 2946

ban assault blacks

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Xth for size chart, and POLARIS BEST SHIP

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>>158500815
>even knowing half these names

>>158500775
that's a kewl armor

>>158501026
I want to see a bunch of Glaives stuck in a Polaris

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>>158500116
-Change the front turrets to remote 2xS4s that can slaved to pilot control or gunner controls
-Replace space wasting racks in main torpedo bay with a revolving chamber so all 6 torps can fit in it.
-Change rear bay to a missile reloader/launcher module thatt holds 10 S3 missiles (or 20 s2s) for better anti-fighter capability.
- captain's quarters becomes med bay
- redundant crew elevator turns into small cargo area
- Crew quarters turned into galley/mess area
- Beds/escape pods distributed through out ship, for beter evacuation, replacing all those damn lockers.

>>158501742
>give the retaliator the same sized guns as the polaris

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>158500815
what's your account name on RSI?

we should talk about this more in private ;^)

Polaris should have ~20 size 10 torps.
Retaliator should have 16 size 9 torps.

Polaris shouldn't be designed to HURR WEDGE SHAPE GO FAST because that basically invalidates the retaliator. Polaris should be a slow moving gunboat with heavy forward firepower and automated flak turrets.

Retaliator should be the one to move in fast and deliver a big payload then retreat to reload. Polaris should be able to stay in a firefight longer and provide fleet escort.

>>158501970
>muh muhhhh multicrew ships

small/med fighters will rule the space

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>It's a "lets compare one Retaliator to one Polaris" episode

>>158500815
CR votes hillary because he recognizes his autistic need for control within her and sees Trump as a second rate businessman. Trump had to use loopholes and tricks. CR just put up a kickstarter video.

>It's a "you can use more than 1 retaliator to beat a polaris" episode

Funny how you can use more than 1 polaris too. And how 1 polaris has more firepower than 3 retaliators at a cheaper equivalent price and does the same "get in fast and deliver torpedoes and get out fast" marketing line.

>how do we make $3million?
>lets make a bigger and better retaliator with the ability to launch a fighter and equip bigger guns

>>158501970
No... It was thinking more 'give it the same size guns as the connie and starfarer have'.

I'm at 100% with the federation at cadet, how do i go up to midshipman?

>>158504297
mission boards should have rank up missions

So a few questions about the 2.2 patch

1. Are Fighter Bays worth having

2. Are passenger missions better money than trading?

>>158500116
>people unironically still thinking the retaliator's role is anything other than "go in, fire torpedos, get out, rearm, repeat"

idk what to say man, go study naval fleet composition in google for 5 minutes. retaliator is the hunter-killer submarine role and nothing else

>>158504425
That's odd, I've refreshed the board several times but nothing. does it have something to do with being on a planet?

I just realized being in orbit is like flying in the hitchhiker's galaxy. Jump and miss the ground.

>>158505190
fall and miss the ground*
fuck

>>158504449
1. Not unless you rank an npc pilot up to Elite, which takes forever and they permadie if you ever lose your main ship. Traders can't really afford the lost cargo, which is at least 32T, and combat ships are better off with a shield cell in the slot.
2. If you can stack medium-range VIP cruises to the same destination, sure.

>>158505529
>NPC Crew Permadeath if ship is destroyed
>Grindy to level up

And suddenly, it's wasted. At least until players can crew.

>>158504449
1. uh kinda, they're a lot more fun than shield cell banks, and if you're mostly fighting off NPCs they're pretty alright.

2. At the moment yeah they're the best money.

Though I'm not sure if I should try stacking one type of cabin or as many different kinds as possible to make the most money.

>mission to kill 6 sentry skimmers
>base only spawns 4
fugg, can i reset it quickly?

>>158506342
i think if you just switch from open to private it resets the base.

>>158505063
No, they're rando like any mission. The more fed factions at the station the better the chance one will pop up.

Doing the sentry skimmer things, is it worth going for the ++ bases? I'm not sure how hard they are but they've got more missions for cash, but that doesn't really do anything if i just get blown up. Also, i get a bounty there compared to kenths inheritance which has no security as well

>>158504653
kek, come check out the discord you nerd
https://discord.gg/0Wyud0NnEa6owO7A

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>>158500815
>Inserting politics into fucking everything.
Fuck you and fuck off.

The infectious fucking mindset is literally killing our civilization, get it out of your fucking head. You should not choose everything in your life based on your fucking party affiliation, If you do you are fucking retarded and I hope to find and disembowel you on the day of the rope, regardless of which side your on.

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>Community wants info on progress on 2.6 and 3.0 during the anniversary livestream
>CIG wants to talk more about ships they want to sell instead

This is just getting retarded. The last few months have me thinking that CIG has poor financial management, due to:

1. CIG doesn't show a bit of progress until 2.6 or 3.0 is finished, thus, creating shock and amazement when it does come

2. CIG seems to have been cranking concept ships more frequently than they have in the last couple years.

Couple those things together, it seems that controlled hype and ship sales makes it look like CIG really needs sales. Ironically, if CIG just FUCKING FINISHED a single goddamned thing like Sq42 or Star Marine, they would make tons of income from other sources than current backers.

Even if CIG isnt running out of money, it sure as fuck gets illustrated that way.

>>158508705
I swear that memes have made elections so much more unbearable, jesus christ

What's the difference between torpedo pylons and missile racks?

>>158509178
Scale and very little else.

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Hey /scg/, which ship is closest to being the Vic Viper?

>>158509291
Off topic post

>>158509371
>>158508705
off topic posts

>>158509291
I don't think you understand me.

Fuck.

Off.

This is not /pol/ is it /vg/scg-edg/.

>>158509291
Fuck off, politics have squirmed their way into every single other crevice on this site, get that shit out of my comfy space general

>>158509419
That's what you don't understand.
There is nothing political inherent in this choice.

>>158508463
it's for the SC org that denied the nerd

>>158509291
Presidents are just puppets you baka

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>>158493412

>When you finished up your contracts just crash into the ground to respawn at the base, collect your dosh, and do it all over again.

Why is this even allowed?

>>158509338
the buccaneer or sabre

>>158510040
Even Frontier knows how tedious their gameplay is. They probably leave that shit in on purpose and then wait to nerf it when the dads bitch and moan about another good source of income.

>>158510451
>They probably leave that shit in on purpose and then wait to nerf it when the dads bitch and moan about another good source of income.
why do the dads bitch anyway ? Remind me

>>158511165
Because it trivializes the fact that they spent a thousand hours playing the game and don't even have enough money for anything more than a Cobra. No joke, I've seen people posting with pride that they spent hundreds of hours in game and "only had 5 million" or some small number.

>>158511165
they're obsessed about the original game from their childhood, and fear ed becoming too casualized, or attracting the wrong audience

>>158511405
>>158511434
>No joke, I've seen people posting with pride that they spent hundreds of hours in game and "only had 5 million" or some small number.
Wow that's ... slightly worrying.
I can't help but feel the devs are taking the easy way by catering to those people. I mean they're not the ones to ask about new features / gameplay mechanics. Soon they'll realize they can't live off the dad crown unless they start a subscription system
A shame

>>158511743
I actively expect the dads to start complaining that 30,000 LY passenger routes pay too much.

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did anybody watch the new townhall?

Is there anything in it worth watching?

I can't do a hour of CIG banter cold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQEVxFS3vxw

>>158512823
i'm desperate enough for new info to watch all that shit

honestly just skip thru til you see ingame footage or a dev that actually does things that matter

>>158512823
>>158513328
sean tracey in the first frame of video, it's probably worth watching since this since this game would have no future without his cryengine wizardry

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Wolf–Rayet stars, often abbreviated as WR stars, are a heterogeneous set of stars with unusual spectra showing prominent broad emission lines of highly ionised helium and nitrogen or carbon. The spectra indicate very high surface temperatures from 30,000 K to around 200,000 K, surface enhancement of heavy elements, and strong stellar winds.

Classic (or Population I) Wolf–Rayet stars are evolved, massive stars that have completely lost their outer hydrogen and are fusing helium or heavier elements in the core. A subset of the population I WR stars show hydrogen lines in their spectra and are known as WNh stars; they are young extremely massive stars still fusing hydrogen at the core, with helium and nitrogen exposed at the surface by strong mixing and radiation-driven mass loss. A separate group of stars with WR spectra are the central stars of planetary nebulae (CSPNe), post Asymptotic Giant Branch stars that were similar to the Sun while on the main sequence, but have now ceased fusion and shed their atmospheres to reveal a bare carbon-oxygen core.

All Wolf–Rayet stars are highly luminous objects due to their high temperatures—thousands of times the bolometric luminosity of the Sun (L) for the CSPNe, hundreds of thousands L for the Population I WR stars, to over a million L for the WNh stars—although not exceptionally bright visually since most of their radiation output is in the ultraviolet.

The naked-eye stars Gamma Velorum and Theta Muscae, as well as the most massive known star, R136a1 in 30 Doradus, are all Wolf–Rayet stars.

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>>158513284
But it's all true...from a certain point of view.

>>158513284
>trying to reignite the "I'm speculating about things that arent going to happen til 2018 at the earliest" argument
>passive-aggressive filename

you shitpost like a girl

>>158513284
I think everyone is over estimating PvP.

I doubt it's going to be as prevalent as people seem to think.

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>>158513284
Grabbing the parachute for this one commandos, croberts cannot be trusted

>>158513284
Remember the guy that used to whine about all the ships he hadn't pledged for being "locked behind a paywall" and said he should get to fly every ship at any time because it's alpha?

I always knew that faggot would eventually have a breakdown just like this. Ironically he's actually arguing that the game economy should be completely shackled to the pledge ship prices just because CIG didn't want to charge 30,000 real dollars for a polaris.

>>158515071
>croberts
goon detected, easily, as usual
>>>/r/10bux

>>158515140
>used to whine about all the ships he hadn't pledged for being "locked behind a paywall"
But they are. An occasional free weekend isn't long enough. More players having access to all ships, equipment and weapons will generate many more bug reports than people messing around in their little starter ship or being uninterested in playing AC because instead of being a sandbox play pit, it's a grind2rent2win simulator.

Where did your $30,000 Polaris pricetag comment come from? Where did anyone in this thread say say anything like what you mentioned in your shitpost?

There's literally no reason to limit the amount of ships a player can use in the alpha other than forcing them to use the cash shop. Hence a paywall.

>>158514913
>I'm speculating about things that arent going to happen til 2018 at the earliest
You mean when the guy was talking with Ben "Director of Ships" Lesnick and commented that 30million UEC was a fair price for the Polaris?

You do realize how much influence Ben has in this game, right? How it was his idea for limited LTI, limited Vanduul ships and their prices, etc?

>oh well, so what if it turns out to be true that it costs 30million UEC
>at least i shilled for the game on /scg/
>i don't care what that guy who told me so thinks :^)

750,000 UEC is an acceptable price tag for the Polaris.
30,000,000 UEC is not.

>>158516979
>750,000 UEC is an acceptable price tag for the Polaris.
>30,000,000 UEC is not.

What do you think is going to be the average UEC/H taking into consideration that 1k UEC is roughly 1 USD

>>158515140
And I was right. If I'm giving some faggot money for development AND paying to playtest I'm going to expect something more than my shitty 300i.

I'm tired of this community's doublethink that
>ship purchases ultimately don't matter in the alpha/beta/release
followed by
>permanently allowing all ships for testing is a bad thing

>>158516979
>Saying X price is ok and Y is not when we don't even know the average dosh gain.

>>158517340
the average is going to be about 5k UEC/h
Thats the average on other mmos(5usd/h at high efficiency)

>>158516979
oh my god this nigger actually made that image

>>158517512
>Unsubstantiated conjecture courtesy of my rectum :^)

>>158517340
>the average dosh gain
Why would they change it?

If 1000UEC is for pushing a button inside a satellite, why would they hike up currency even more? Stupid inflation.

>your balance is 3234098250972590384530984 UEC

A bit like EVE.

Keep it in the millions at the high end of the scale, it's simpler

That's what I'm saying, about 0.75million for a Polaris. It's not even as big as an Orion, and you think it's OK to be inflated as shit at 30million?

Why can't ships cost their USD value in 1000UEC/1USD conversion rate? Why shouldn't you be able to buy a Javelin at 2.5million?

Do you not realize how expensive a Javelin would be if they kept this stupid inflated mindset? 100 or 200 million?

Someone on leddit did some maths and it was supposed to take 3.8 years playing solo a few hours per night to get a Polaris.

>>158517310
Their whole model on the ship buy isn't that you're paying for a ship, but you're giving them that money for development. Of course you'll get a better ship with more money because it is incentive to spend more. Who would spend 30 dollars for a Constellation and 300 dollars for a Hull A?

You're not spending for the ship, but for the development AND the more you give the better ships you get. Nobody seems to get the concept and too many people equate real life money to the game equivalent like it is some hard set mathematical equation especially for a game in early alpha.

>>158516979
Are you the guy who got BTFO 2 threads ago saying you want the game to be a grind-free safe space where everyone has everything inside a couple months? that bait has already proven ineffective for you

>>158516979
>There's literally no reason to limit the amount of ships a player can use in the alpha other than forcing them to use the cash shop. Hence a paywall.

I have to agree with you, Anon. In an ALPHA of a video game the developer should allow more leeway in regards to content access. REC income should be increased massively and rental ships should be allowed back into the PU for the sake of testing.

>750,000 UEC is an acceptable price tag for the Polaris. 30,000,000 UEC is not.


750k for an empty shell with nothing in it if we were to go off that price. The 30 mill could be the total fit cost. I'm wondering how much those size 10 torps will go for? 1.5 mill apiece? Imaging having to throw 4-6 of those at a smaller cap ship just to disable it.

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So the Corvette can hold 2 fighters but i can only hire one pilot and there fore launch one what the fuck am i supposed to do with the second fighter Frontier?

>>158518030
>the guy who got BTFO
No, I'm the guy who gave rational arguments using Chris Robert's original kickstarter claims and triggered some RSIdrone in to making some picture about me using cosplayers.

This game isn't WoW, it doesn't need a gear treadmill. It doesn't need gearscore, or elitism.

Star Citizen is about emergent gameplay, not grinding thousands of hours to buy e-peen bragging rights you can post on an anonymous imageboard.

>>158517932
Aurora = shit = cheap
Javelin = awesome = $2500

Let's look in the middle
Avenger = shit but better than aurora = more expensive than aurora
Retaliator = better than avenger = more expensive than avenger
Idris = better than retaliator = more expensive than retaliator

Are you seeing a pattern? Pledge price increases as the ship's combat/utility/profession effectiveness increases.

You can't claim that prices don't mean shit and they are just rigid pledge prices to donate to the devs, because you get rewarded with higher tier equipment at higher prices.

Hope that helps.

>>158518350
Wait, hold the fuck up. Really?

>>158517862
>Why would they change it?

Because as they add things like bulk trade and trading missions they'll have to adjust mission payouts so that everything remains roughly competitive with each other.

You, along with everyone else saying X price is ok are making the mistake of thinking missions will be the only way of making money in the actual game.

>Someone on leddit did some maths and it was supposed to take 3.8 years playing solo a few hours per night to get a Polaris.
>Basing anything off alpha gain rates
Absolutely fully retarded

>>158518350
I believe you can launch one fighter immediately after losing the other, instead of waiting for the first's cool down.

Still lame you can't launch both at once.

>>158518536
So your argument is, just because there will be bot spammers and people exchange leeches who will shit up the economy by earning billions of UEC, the prices of ships should be absurdly high?

Retarded argument.

>you only have 1 million UEC from bounty hunting?
>hahaha loser, get this <meta loadout> and <boring profession> and grind 30million UEC to buy this ship that i have xD

>>158518518
Yep i can technically hire 4 but that because i can have 3 in my "hanger" and one on my ship but the ones in the hanger don't do anything and the ship can only hold 1 crew member at a time even though the corvette has at least 3 bridge stations

>>158518514
Thanks for coming back, faggot. The thread was boring without you here to laugh at.

>>158518719
>>158518861
FTroop has disappointed me in ways I didn't think they could disappoint me in.

>>158518906
>it's an "anon wants to shit up star citizen by turning it in to World of Warcraft" episode

What's your gearscore?
Sorry scrub, you can't come to our 25m heroic Vanduul raid xD
Got run this for the 15th time to get my Avenger Frostmourne
>tfw only 2.5% drop rate ;(

>>158519074
hahahahahahaha what a fag

>MMOs have grind, so Star Citizen has to have grind!
>it's the law! an unspoken and unbreakable rule!

>tfw quit my job so i can shit in a bucket and play for 18 hours per day to grind enough UEC to buy a gf

>>158518514
You got laughed right out of the thread from what i remember

The game will either have progression and diversity, or it'll be your vision of it where there's a specific amount of time required to progress, then you're at endgame with everyone else, removing the diversity.

you're describing what WoW's progression has always been - you level up, relatively fast and hit lvl cap - theres a meta build for your class and role that theres no reason to deviate from - then you do engame content, and eventually end up with the exact same character as everyone else, and bam, you've done all there is to do unless you want to start all over again.

You don't seem to understand that, unlike WoW, having the best things and doing the hardest content is a niche optional route to take. if you want to do these things in any time effective manner, you're going to need alot of freinds and some work ethic. if you don't have freinds or work ethic, it's going to be a "challenge".

is that OK with you :^)

@158519567
I'm not reading your post.

YO NEW MAJOR TOM IT'S YA BOI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHwALwXSvEI

>>158519828
Is he trying to be malicious or trying to be funny?

>>158518514
>I can't have fun unless everything is completely even

you must have a hard life

>>158518514
What part of incentive do you not get? Also what part of paying for development not a ship don't you get? How many times do they have to say the ships are there as a bonus for you to enjoy while paying for DEVELOPMENT of the game before you get it? It's about supporting them, not getting every little ship in the game to fulfill your autistic power craze in a game that is so large you should be able to avoid most PvP contact anyway.

>>158520090
He has only been making Star Citizen videos for a year let him get used to it

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc-3D3ojGZ2EC_Bk8MRgcFQ/videos

He is trying to be helpful

>>158512385
Someone should do it. Just keep posting worse ideas and get a core of people to support those bad ideas just to make this shitty game even worse.


We all know its never getting better. Might as well have fun somehow

>>158520315
long as he's sending all this up to IC he's doing god's work. intentionally doing things wrong and finding bugs is half of what alpha is about

>>158520194
>I can't have fun unless everything is completely even
I never wanted anything to be equal.

>>158520197
>What part of incentive do you not get?
When devs listen to idiots and put grind in their game, it gives me plenty of incentive to uninstall, get a refund or just never buy it.

Funny how the higher the pledge price, the better the reward, right? And how they are roughly separated by price in the same way as their effectiveness.

With the exception of the Polaris which is armed well above other combat ships.

Why should an aurora be expensive in UEC? And if it's not, why should a Polaris be 40x the price of its USD pledge price? If the aurora was 40x it's pledge price in UEC it's USD value would be $1600. That's stupid.

>>158520640
>Funny how the higher the pledge price, the better the reward, right?
No because that IS the incentive. Give more of something, get more of something. In this case cash in ship out. That's what I'm talking about where you wouldn't pay 2500 for an Aurora when a Redeemer is 30 bucks. If they would follow a different strategy then people who gave more wouldn't be rewarded more. And once again, it's not about the ship, it's about the development and you get a sparkly ship on the side. Like donating to a charity and getting a little plaque. The plaque is the sparkly and the money given so they can still run is the main point.

I'll say it again, the money is not for the ship, but the development and the ship is your little sparkly bonus. Buy a cutlass like I did. 100 dollars for them to hopefully make a great game and I get a decent starter ship and enjoy earning money in game if you care for anything bigger.

>>158521213
>No because that IS the incentive. Give more of something, get more of something

Right. So please explain to me why you think that in-game prices will be different from this.

Will an Avenger be cheaper than an Aurora?

>it's about the development
Sorry but I think this is only really for hardcore loyalist forumites. Regular people price up what they are willing to invest to get a reward.

Some people want an LTI Retaliator, so they invest more than someone who wants an Aurora.

I don't think many people who have a Retaliator gave CIG money out of good will, and email customer support to ask for ship downgrades.

>>158520640
>I never wanted anything to be equal.

I don't know any other way to say this: if the highest tier ships and content is easily obtained quickly, then you've effectively removed diversity since everyone will quickly have acess to it.

all content below that point likely becomes pointless, just like WoW as you love comparing star citizen to. all that's left is to grind the endgame content or pvp with people in the exact same ships. or i guess idle in your ship and daydream of all the unique experiences you've denied yourself by removing progressive gameplay from the game.

>>158521521
Guys, let me get this straight, is this nigger saying the game economy should be based entirely on the dollar amount that Ben's dart hit on the corkboard before each concept sale?

>>158521521
I think they'll balance in game prices once it gets much further in development. What I don't think is that the comparison to in game money and real money will remain the same once ship prices are figured out. The economy will be late game compared to getting everything working right. That's what I mean when talking about ship cost and that is why I think a 2,500 dollar ship is not going to reflect the in game cost once the game is launched. But that's an opinion.

And I agree to an extent with the second half. Yes most people buy for a ship but what else are they going to offer? They wouldn't get nearly as much funding by just asking for it and this way everybody gets something out of it. In the end they chose the most logical approach and I think there will be a lot of butt blasted players who thought their 2,500 dollar ship would roll everything when instead 4 super hornets with good pilots can cut it down let alone deal with in game maintenance costs for large ships.

>>>/ck/8221329

>>158521928
>if the highest tier ships and content is easily obtained quickly, then you've effectively removed diversity since everyone will quickly have acess to it
Like how thousands of people already have their Polaris, Idris and Javelins?

The game is about emergent gameplay. These are Chris Roberts' own words on Star Citizen.

>all that's left is to grind the endgame content
You've clearly been playing too much shit games. The game is supposed to be diverse and fun. Games aren't supposed to be 2nd online jobs. Grind has no place in games, and the sooner people realize it the better.

Why do you see yourself having to run dungeon instances in Star Citizen when you "get to end game"? What are you even talking about? It's a big sandbox that unfortunately the devs are talking about filling with over-priced ships to implement grind.

I'm not saying I want the Polaris to be cheap to buy, I'm saying (1) your argument is stupid since people already have them since the sale, and (2) 750,000 UEC is a reasonable price, somewhat attainable solo from light play with current rewards/missions setup and much easier for smaller orgs to band together to buy.

Why do you even want grind in this game? Playing pirates vs police is fun, you don't need dungeons, grind, gear progression or elitism for that.

I'm sick of being told by idiots that this game isn't for me, when they are the ones trying to turn it in to some retarded generic MMO of the last decade.

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>>158522424

ikr, its retarded to think that more expensive = better. If that were the case I'd be paying more for an avenger (best ship btw) than for a cutlass.

>>158521213
>I'll say it again, the money is not for the ship, but the development and the ship is your little sparkly bonus.
This is the official sentiment by Chris and co. but the community treats it the exact opposite.

>>158522428
Since your post is reasonable, I'll agree that it's possible they will completely change their prices in-game. However, it seems straight forward to me with a USD/1000 UEC conversion rate.

40,000 for a starter ship
2.5million for a destroyer

Neither of them seem too high or low. Consider the 25~ person crew the Javelin needs, that's 100,000 UEC per person.

I don't want ships to be so cheap that everyone has a Javelin. Just that stupid high figures are off-putting and will just turn this game in to a grind simulator, contrary to Chris' vision.

And I know that some people do give pledges in good will to get the game made, you're right. But I can't see how any of the (200?) people who bought a Javelin at $2500 suddenly all got inspired to give donations at the same time.

They bought them for their orgs, probably. That's fine. But this just means we can't use the "everyone will have javelins too easily and quickly" argument.

>>158521213
>I'll say it again, the money is not for the ship, but the development and the ship is your little sparkly bonus.

Fuck off no one is spending $200 without hoping to get an advantage

>>158522843
>the money is not for the ship
>hey guys we're introducing modules for your ship
>don't forget to buy the 2 retaliator bomber modules which are now separate from the base ship! :^)

>>158522508
I agree with you anon but this is the wrong place to complain about this. Email CIG and talk with them about it.

>>158522508
if they own endgame ships, then that was their money that they spent in order to support the game while getting a ship as a bonus. we're not talking about $ ship sales. we're talking about UEC sales and ingame progression. $ sales go away when the game releases.

You're still arguing like you have concrete knowledge that current $ is somehow remotely relevant to ingame UEC value. You're acting like you know exactly how much income you'll be getting, based on the Value of UEC in the Current ALPHA, well over a year from being an almost finished product in BETA.

When you say emergent gameplay, what exactly do you believe they mean, and how does it change the fact that you'll have to work to reach endgame or that the largest ships with the biggest guns will be the endgame?

>>158523791
> $ sales go away when the game releases.

this is what commando's actually believe

>>158523665
I'm glad we agree, anon. However, I honestly believe the community will complain about any overly high prices, and no doubt post Chris' own words in the forums regarding the no grind mentality.

I'm not too worried about it, if they go down the generic garbage route I'll just do my own thing, I don't need to buy bigger ships. Or I can crew for someone else.

>>158523791
>You're still arguing like you have concrete knowledge that current $ is somehow remotely relevant to ingame UEC value
Well it seems blatantly obvious that the ship prices from low to high represent the basic value of the ships i.e. the Hornet being more expensive and better at combat than the Gladius. It's already set out for them to use and the current 1000 / 2500 UEC mission rewards seem pretty OK if ship prices were to begin at like 40K. High-end purchases for 2.5mil don't seem too high either when people want to limit them to preserve their prestige.

Like the other anon said, though. If people are going to start earning crazy amounts of money from trading they will just be able to buy countless Javelins or Bengals, and to counter that the ship prices will have to be hiked up which is unfair to people who play normally.

I don't know if they've talked about this on 10FTC but I don't know if they're going to be able to balance professions to earn similar amounts of money.

I wouldn't want to penalize someone who bought a Hull E because they are getting lots of money from hauling. But if you're only going to earn 5000 UEC from escorting them through space, it's not very fair.

>>158523791
>When you say emergent gameplay, what exactly do you believe they mean
Impromptu group play, exploration, org v org rivalry, piracy, operation pitchfork, etc.

>>158523791
>the fact that you'll have to work to reach endgame
What end game? You mean owning all the ships?

>the largest ships with the biggest guns will be the endgame
I don't mind, as long as they aren't stupidly expensive.

After 5 years if every single player owns a Javelin, will it make them less cool?

Or should only hardcore twitch streamers with 10,000 followers + the 200 pledgers be able to afford the biggest ship?

>>158524962
>After 5 years if every single player owns a Javelin, will it make them less cool?

Not him but yes obviously?
EVE titans are cool because when they show up shit must be going down.
Even in WoW there are legendary items that players work as a team to get, those got pretty lame when it was easier for players to trigger their celebratory events.

>>158524962
>Or should only hardcore twitch streamers with 10,000 followers + the 200 pledgers be able to afford the biggest ship?
Go back to plebbit, Karl Marx

>>158525664
you know, our equivalent of EVE titans are more like the Bengals
anyways, even if everyone does have a fucking Javelin there's absolutely no way that everyone can equip and crew it well, why the fuck are we even talking about this?

You know that a game games players base has gone to shit when people get into arguments about speculation about shit that doesn't exist yet.

Fuckers in here think they get to decide how things get done, Only two people have a say in how much shits gonna cost, Tony Zurovec and Chris Roberts. And I hope to fucking christ neither of them are paying attention to to RSI Forums, Reddit or any of you, because there has seldom been as much piss in the wind as there is in this thread.

>>158526058
Because a Javelin being easy to obtain (and therefore replace) would be dumb?

No grind means playing in an Aurora or Freelancer can be fun and not grinding/boring. It doesn't mean progression shouldn't take time.

>>158526549
I'm not him, I'm saying this conversation is stupid because we know precisely fucking nothing about the game
hull insurance is supposed to be cheap compared to other forms of insurance so that LTI isn't that much of an advantage so they'll still be easy to replace in the end IIRC

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>>158526058
>People starting to realize their pay isnt going to buy them much win, and certainly not for very long.
>People starting to realize that my fucking twelve year old nephew for whom I have purchase a reliant and nothing else will likely have a better whip than them after a month because hes gonna play like a only a sugar fiending can.
>People getting pissy and now demanding their Pay to Wagons be locked behind absurd paywalls so that they can feel special.

God you fuckers are good, if somewhat annoying entertainment.
I backed the game cus I want it to exist, not cus I expect to "win" it.

>>158526485
(you)

>>158526835
If you make everything ez to get then what is the long term appeal of the game?
Cant even enjoy a good sense of progressions when i can get the highest end ship in in a short amount of time and by then everyone and their grandmother will have one as well

if you want no challenge and no competition than this may as well be a single player game

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>>158527148
Thank (you), I cherish each and every one of (them).

For real though this thread is fucking Top Grade autism. Trying to get mad about the state of things based on extrapolations of placeholders. There is no economy, literally no information that exists now means a damn thing. Not even Chris's ancient statements about how long a constellation takes, he's probably not even deciding stuff like that anymore, Im sure Erin(blessed be his name) took that out of his hands and gave it to Tony where it belongs, he's the Universe guy, hell give it a real sensible, economics based number, not some fucking asspull.

>>158527585
we know 1 USD = 1K UEC
They will now have to basically balance the economy around this.
This kind of gives us an idea of how much we can expect ships to cost and what the average UEC/Hour is going to be.

>>158527384
Progression is not the point you fucking mongo.
Go play fucking WoW or some other MMORPG.

There is no leveling up, a bigger, newer, faster ship is not automatically "better" and there exists no liner scale of progression.

This is not EVE, not is it WoW, or FFXIV or any other levelup get to endgame MMO.

There will be no raids, no dungeons, no levels, not stats. Its a shooter, a particularly flat shooter the way Planetside is, where you can have literally all the toys and still be instagibbed by a level 1 boltbabby.

At some point, your Constellation is going to get shit on by a by a Hue Hue with an Aurora, and the only thing you can do about it is git gud.

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>>158527585
Expectations are a function of information. Just because a discussion is speculative doesn't mean it's meaningless.

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>>158527941
You know that's what it is now.
You also know that can change that whenever they damned well please.
You also know they can stop selling UEC entirely if they feel like it.

You also know that you backed a crowdfunding campaign and got a ship or ships as a perk, you were not promised that they would sell you those ships at anything like in game market value, for one thing, its a simulated economy, market values will shift. Popular ships will become expensive, unpopular ones cheap.

They could sell you an AQUILA for $275, then sell that same aquila in game for $82 worth of UEC once ships sales have ended and if you complain about that you are both wrong and a shithead.

You are not buying a product.
You are backing a project out of goodwill.
If that is not why you back, you are a fool.
I Reiterate my $2160 pledge total. I understood from day one, that I might get nothing, I might get an alternate reality to live in, but I was not getting a good deal, or anything even remotely approaching a promise.

Giant enclosed bulk freighters when.
Cargo spindles are gay.

>>158528501
>Giant enclosed bulk freighters when.
>Cargo spindles are gay.
happymerchantman master race reporting in
wait for the happymerchantman-E

>>158527962

>There is no leveling up

There is an organization rep system

>bigger, newer, faster ship is not automatically "better"

They are better if you assume average skill pilots on both ships.
If you want to be an idiot and say shit like "a down sydnrome fucker in a sabre will lost against a good polit in an aurora" then you should kys

>This is not EVE, not is it WoW, or FFXIV or any other levelup get to endgame MMO.

>There will be no raids, no dungeons, no levels, not stats. Its a shooter, a particularly flat shooter the way Planetside is, where you can have literally all the toys and still be instagibbed by a level 1 boltbabby.

according to whom?

>At some point, your Constellation is going to get shit on by a by a Hue Hue with an Aurora, and the only thing you can do about it is git gud.

kys

>>158528501
This sums it up. I've never seen a game go from even beta to retail without some changes, much less alpha to retail. Right now all this talking is like trying to make a prediction without any solid information.

If its wrong to take on a type 9 heavy in an Asp Explorer, I don't want to be right

>>158528501

well if you want to be fucking retarded then we can also assume that roberts will shoot himself and give all the money to charity but we are not going to do that. we are going to speculate with what we got


>You are not buying a product.
>You are backing a project out of goodwill.

You realize the vast majority of people bought a ship to have a nice ship and not for charity? If you donated for charity then you are part of a very small minority.

>>158528934
>>158528501
The thing is, we are talking about in game currency that they are selling RIGHT NOW. We know what the rate is. It is MUCH easier for them to balance around this current 1k UEC=1$ rate now, since the economy basics are not yet set in stone.

>>158529146
The vast majority of people are fools, thats no surprise.
Most people are stupid and don't read the terms, but those were the terms and they are legally binding.

>>158529378
Tell me, do you think CiG is going to do things the easy way? They have done literally everything the hard way thus far. I'd fully expect a complete scrapping of all economic systems and a total rebuild from the ground up before beta, its probably already being worked on. One of the many things we've never seen because its meaningless until its part of a bigger picture.

>>158527962
>There will be no raids, no dungeons

I swear to fucking god if there aren't pirate dungeons to explore or raids on asteroid bases because of shitposters like you.

>>158530348
they wont be instanced, group mandatory, formal content like that.

There will be "dungeons" in the rpg sense, but they wont award XP, wont "level" you and will probably already have been looted by someone who got there first 90% of the time.

"dungeons" will be placed you hunt bounty, steal shit, and gain reputation as a heartless/fearless/curious/stupid motherfucker.

There will be nothing like a traditional RPG raid becasue this is not an RPG, It is a SCIO-FI MMOFPS with an emphasis place on vehicular space combat.
Its built on fucking CryEngine, thats not an engine you use to make a stats based cooldown management game.

>>158529774
>The vast majority of people are fools, thats no surprise.
Most people are stupid and don't read the terms, but those were the terms and they are legally binding.

even so, who do you think CIG is going to please?
-Group A: The vast majority of people who spend more than than the minimum on their game and are expecting something good in return

or
Group B: Minority who in most cases bought only the most basic package in hopes that they could afford a 750$ ship with minimum grind/time investment

>Tell me, do you think CiG is going to do things the easy way? They have done literally everything the hard way thus far. I'd fully expect a complete scrapping of all economic systems and a total rebuild from the ground up before beta, its probably already being worked on. One of the many things we've never seen because its meaningless until its part of a bigger picture.

The thing is, the economic system si not even implemented yet. Thus it is easy for them to build around the 1k UEC = 1$ rate

>>158530953
as long as there is exclusivity, it is going to be an rpc

if there is rare ships to be collected, people will grind UEC to be able to afford them and hoard them

UEC and ships will basically become stats

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>>158530953
I do expect to hear "LFhealer to man Idris shield/power seat Need to have own repair gun" and "Sabre pilot LFescort job" in chat though.

>>158522508
I didn't read even a word of your post but that /ck/ thread is great, thanks

>>158530953
Archeage is on CryEngine. What is with all this shit about

>This engine can't do it, these games don't exist.

>>158531301
probably more of that on the spectrum job boards than in chat, such things are going to be handled by formal contract, with reputation gains and losses attached.

Doing it in chat will be for the sketchy people and the the cheap people. and they deserve each other. You really wanna detail your route to someone you know nothing about? He's gonna be calling out your jumps on teamspeak, and if hes fleeted with you, and his friends have him added as a person of interest,. the matchmaker is gonna line you up with them in a spot of their choosing. I Dunno about you, but before I "LF Healer to keep my Polaris flying as we traverse gods asshole, I want to know hes not a pirate.

>>158531859
Im not saying its impossible, Im saying CiG chose CryEngine becasue it is a purpose built FPS engine, it is THE purpose buitl FPS engine, of course any engine can be spun into anything, but its a question of being a good match.
WoW is still built on a modified Warcraft3 engine FFS.

>>158532039
>Still built

And I'm pretty sure COD is still being made upon modified versions of the original engine, same for Fallout. That doesn't mean much to me.

>>158532228
Warcraft3 was a top down isometirc rpg/rts hybrid.

WoW is a huge open world 3rd person mm, Im just illustrating the idea that of course the engine does not proscribe this or that, im just saying that if they had 20 millions dollars(at the time) to choose an engine and they wanted to make a game that was even vaguely RPG ish, they would have pursued unity or unreal or pretty much anything buy cryengine, which has basically nothing intergrated that would neatly support an RPG style game.

>>158515271
It's funny when cultists think saying 10bux is a good burn on goons when you consider how many people have spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars on jpegs of spaceships.

@158534427
Bro, its been 10bux before SC was even conceived; probably even before you were too.

So is the Erectile Dysfunction update worth downloading?

Did they fix the awful VR performance?
Did they fix having to wait a fortnight for the MB?

>>158535097
Yeah they fixed both of those things.

It's a pretty fun update, or rather the most fun an update for the game can be.

Name a hardpoint setup for my python so i can make money

>>158535628
>Fun update
>It just cranks the credit grind back up to 11, adds another alien structure that has already been found, and another form of "Take A to B" mission structure with little depth.

The only fun in ED is griefing forum dads back to their solo/private play, and FD makes that fucking hard by nerfing everything fun into the ground and increasing the need to grind.

I wouldn't bitch so much if they actually added in content, but David Braben is the must uninspired developer I've ever seen.

>>158536587
Guns and go back to resfarming like FD wants you to

>>158536703
Go to Arietis Sector CQ-Y D60, literally right next to Piriti, go to planet B5, land at Cochrane, pick up a billion or so massacre skimmer missions at Kent's Inheritance. Enjoy your billions on credits and free federation rank.

Alternatively, go into open play, sit at Kent's Inheritance and gank people who come over to blow up skimmers.

>>158537019
Wait, do I get bounties for killing them?

>>158537190
No. The system is Anarchy, so no bounties. You can also go to Nobels Inheritance for more mission options, but that has anti-air turrets, where Kent's has no anti-air turrets.

>>158537019
Non-fighter here that sucks at fighting, what's the best cheap set up to do this?

>Finally finish my tourist run
>Get back to the bubble
>SERVER BROADCAST: WE TAKIN SHIT DOWN
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I miss /edg/ :(
I really want to ressurect the old thread. It was a good thing we had, before this merger.

>>158540458
Eagle, dumbfire missiles. 120kish build cost, make it in piriti.

Save for Gladius or wait for Buccaneer?

>>158540668
Not like most of /scg/ want you guys here.

>>158541983
wait for the buccy

>>158542423
man, we invited you guys here after scg was so dead for so long, and now you're all get out because the same thing is happening to us

like

man

>>158541983
just save your money period

gladius is trash now, will likely be trash by the time their done the flight changes

bucc is extremely strong on paper right now but it's not ingame yet and i wouldnt make any decisions based on what RSI has posted on their site, it's very often not what's ingame.

can always get the gladius and sit on that til something else pops up, all worthwhile fighters will likely cost more than 90.

>>158542502
>>158542614
Yeah I'm in need of a good dog fighter. A Stream who I watch dont know if you know or watch him its KeenCass and I was asking him about the Gladius. He says its a well made ship as of right now, and not buggy as fuck as the rest. I've honestly seen an M50 become really viable by a skilled pilot.

>>158542538
Don't listen to the shitposter, I love you all

>>158542817
he's right about it being mostly bug-free, especially next to any hornet. it's just outclassed offensively by just about any other fighter.

i'm mainly saying wait for them to finalize their flight and weapons rebalance before pulling the trigger on anything. i'm pretty sure gladius has come onto and off of the rework table a few times and is due for another, along with alot of other ships.

I owned an aurora LN when i had my gladius, and basically got rid of the gladius because I was doing alot more damage with the LN

>>158542538
The difference is ED is dying and nothing will save it, but SC has yet to come.

Count your days, we'll only tolerate you for so long.

>>158542817
Get a Delta if you want a good dogfighter. You can always upgrade to a Gladius or Bucc later on. Or just rent them.

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Frankly, I have no real issue with elite players but I may state otherwise for trolling purposes

>>158543367
I cant buy the Delta yet. I would love the Delta Mustang but they wont put it on sale again for a bit.

>FDev nerfs long range hauling
>at first upset
>then I found an even better spot
>$230 million in a 6 hour session yesterday

Thanks for forcing me to look for something else.

>>158534427
at least you get to keep your jpegs when you get banned from the SC forums, hey goon?

>>158509000
I have no idea what their dev team looks like. But that sounds a bit as if they hired too many concept artists and need to keep them occupied in some way.

>>158544873
skimmer massacre?

>>158527384
>If you make everything ez to get then what is the long term appeal of the game?
To be fair, the game should be entertaining on its own merit, even without to carrot on a stick.
Otherwise you run into the problem that you suddenly get bored as shit when you reach what you had been working towards.

Look at SV as an example for that, as soon as you upgraded your tools and have the first decent sprinklers you lose every motivation to continue because there is fucking nothing else to do than go through the progression tree once.

>>158544873
Share me your ways, please, im poor.

>>158545108
Yes.
>>158545189
Arietis Sector CQ-Y D60

There are two planets in the system that have outposts on them, the upper one (on the galaxy map) is the one you want.
Fly to Cochrane Works. Accept skimmer massacre missions with the target destination Kent's Inheritance. It's some cuckshed with zero defenses on the same planet, you don't even get fines.
Necessary investment is low as fuck, just buy an eagle and equip it with dumbfire missiles. There are two hightech systems close by so you have everything necessary in range.

Do instance hopping to fill up your quests, then hunt the skimmers on solo play. Don't try open because the spot is already known, so there will always be some other shitters already shooting at everything that spawns.

>>158545146
I put 280 hours into ED and as soon as I got the stuff I wanted it fell apart for me. Only play now when somebody invites me to so hopefully SC is built in a way that makes you want to keep playing which I feel they are building it for.
>>158545189
Not him but if you're super poor, get a cobra and take massacre missions. Stack them up between solo/open play switch and go to town in a CZ. Cobra will allow you to run out of the area fast since a spawn wave might focus you. Easiest thing I found is wait a bit after jumping in, find a group of friendly ships and then stick with the group. They'll fly around wrecking solo ships and all you gotta do is plink the ship for the kill. Repeat until rich. Raising rank in that system will bring you better massacre missions with that faction and you can rank grind for factions at the same time. Three birds with one stone.

>>158545369
Same for me. I'm not even at the end of the ED progression yet, just have a fully outfitted Python and theoretically the funds to get a fully outfitted Anaconda, but it is already losing its appeal.

Right now I'm just grinding the last couple hundred million to have 1 billion in cash available for later and then wait till they add multicrew piloting. I have two friends who also play so that should make it a good bit more interesting again.

Unless they decide to cripple that feature into uselessness like they are so prone to do.

>>158545495
Have a fully outfitted Python and FAS. I mainly use the FAS since I prefer it for combat and roughly 280 million in the bank. I thought of rank grinding for a corvette but lost interest to play other vidya. If this was real life I could do long range trading hauls no problem but as it stands, ED is only so immersive and I get bored very quickly outside of combat. Hopefully exploring planets and FPS combat will keep me satisfied. FPS games tend to be my specialty and main time eater.

>>158545858
>I thought of rank grinding for a corvette but lost interest to play other vidya.
Corvette really isn't that much more amazing than the Anaconda from what I heard anyway.

>>158545917
>>158545858
Should have really given the corvette something unique like the ability to launch two fighters.

Right now the fully dedicated ships feel kind of shitty because "specialization" in ED is kind of achieved through limitation rather than true advantage.

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>>158501742
You have some good idea but...
> -Change the front turrets to remote 2xS4s that can slaved to pilot control or gunner controls
Way too big, just making it possible for a gunner to coordinate 3 turrets toward one attacker will pose a threat.
> -Change rear bay to a missile reloader/launcher module thatt holds 10 S3 missiles
It's not meant to fight fighter, don't halve by half its ability to eat Vaandul warship (and Polaris)
However you could add a few small/big external rack.

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>>158502604
Polaris is only fast for a CAPITAL SHIP, don't expect it to outrun anything smaller than himself. Except maybe a slow as fuck Starfarer.

You'll be lucky if it can match speed with a Banu blockaderunner

>>158503141
> Funny how you can use more than 1 polaris too. And how 1 polaris has more firepower than 3 retaliators
You'll likely get 5+ Retaliator for the price of one Polaris.
It's also common sense that if they let a Bengal Carrier be in danger against something as small as a Retaliator they would never survive 10 seconds.

I hate people too stupid to understand basic game balance. Next you'll be spouting that pledge price = combat efficiency

>>158522428

>2500 dollar Javelin losing to 4 Super Hornets

Top fucking kek.

The whales will never let that happen, because they will go to CIG and say that the amount of SHs required to take down a Javelin is 2500/165 = X.

This is why I fucking hate this game. And CIG will always get cucked by their backers, because the community managers are absolute faggots, Ben withstanding. Ben is the only person at CIG I wouldnt beat the shit out of if I saw them on the streets because he is a genuinely good person.

>http://www.dereksmart.org/forums/topic/sc-scoop/
>On the darker side of The Farce, we have reports that one Shawn Thomas Weixelman (aka Fuzzy Modem), who has been prolific in attacking me and others for “saying bad stuff about the train-wreck that is the Star Citizen project” has reportedly been indicted in Alaska on serious felony charges.

kek

>>158547460
Want to be true/10

>>158547590

http://www.newsminer.com/news/local_news/suspect-indicted-in-alleged-sex-abuse/article_9ed2ae4e-53ce-11e6-8acf-631fe6547d49.html

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>>158547192

>Sell ship as a 'dedicated cap ship hunter'
>Don't actually let it do it's job

nice bait and switch croberts

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>>158547768
> implying it can't outspeed everything its size
> implying it will not be awesome to hunt down Vaandul capital ship
> implying it need to outspeed smaller ship to be useful
We've got one retarded guy there, have a (you)

>>158547442

x jet fighters armed with air to air missles shouldn't be able to take down a destroyer

>>158545365
Thanks senpai.

I'm thinking of getting ED, would you recommend it? I already know it's supposed to be grindy and boring but I have 2 monitors so I'm fine with that... Ex-eve miner

>>158548890
>recomment ED
no
>ex ever miner
maybe

>Making strafing runs on skimmers using dumbfires
This is the most fun I've had in this game.

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>>158548705

terrible analogy

naval ships can be quite heavily damaged by a single fighter if their AA doesn't catch them, ASMs aren't a joke

>>158549415
that's why I said air to air missles

you can't mount any large ordnance on a hornet

>>158548890
>Ex-eve miner
probably yes then.
it's a great game if you are like me and easily get distracted if you just watch shows while doing nothing.
normally takes me an hour to watch a 20 minutes episode because I keep pausing it to browse 4chan or something, but with ED I can go through a whole season on a Saturday

I really hope they don't fuck up multicrew piloting though. it's the one promised feature that could actually add something to do that doesn't boil down to mindless grinding

>>158549737

Depends on the warhead not the missile type or size. Hell you can put a nuke on an Anti-Aircraft missile. The US actually did. So he is right. Terrible analogy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-26_Falcon

>>158549181
at first I just used my anaconda and it's regular weaponry which was kind of annoying because you cannot target them until they shoot you and good luck getting close enough for them to do that with a large ship without smacking into the ground
with dumbfire missiles and a small fighter it is so much more fun

>>158548705

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW_hGOFukMQ

>>158526485

I agree completely.

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>cant name your ships
>cant make your own bases in remote systems
>cant make your small faction
Fucking when; I need this in ED

>>158550123
That sounds more like StarCit's Shtick than something FTroop would do

>>158550029
A wing is sexy as fuck, almost makes me want an m50

>The dropship can't fit fighters
What a waste. Thing has so many spare slots it's asking to be a fighterboat.
Meanwhile the gunship which suffers for slots can fit fighters.

>>158550178
Imagine having quest collection where you need to link various distributors as to make your base able to outfit ships.
the feels

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>>158550204
Watch this then buy an M50 at the next oppertunity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mql_iJZfGO0

>>158550286
Nah fuck that, I'll have a surplus of salvaged components to repair my bumfuck base and ships. Need parts? Send out a small ship to go pick up the needed ones from a scrappile or destroyed ship, or if nessisary to go to the nearest Dumper's Depo

>>158550392
tfw all you can do is grind ships

Did they nerf instance swapping?

>>158549415
>muh realism

go play CANO if you want to kill capitals with one fighter missile

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>>158550123
found the game you were looking for

>>158550615

>Chris Roberts makes games to recapture his dreams of Star Wars as a youth
>In Star Wars fighters do almost all the work of blowing up bigger ships

>>158550123
>no own station from where you can offer missions
>cannot just send NPCs and other players to haul commodities towards your station which you then sell off to other stations by yourself
>cannot pay them to harass the station from another player next door by offering a bounty on their NPC traders

>>158550609
Something definitely changed. I don't think it was instance swapping though but how the quest tables within each instance rotate.

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>>158550761
no they don't

>>158551171
>tfw I have that film cell

>>158551207
>digital cinema
>film cel

???

>>158551171

>The T-65B X-wing starfighter was envisioned by its designers as a fighter with both the speed and power to take on Imperial Star Destroyers, ultimately delivering on both promises.

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>>158551476
>source: the force awakens cross sections

>>158544929
let's see whats wrong with this statement shall we culty?

1: im not a goon, but i cant prove it so go ahead and believe that
2: if you dont get banned from sa then you dont lose you membership
3: even if you did get banned that in no way makes hundreds or thousands of dollars on jpegs any less pathetic
4: that is assuming the game will come out or reach in any decent state (it wont)

nice try though, gg, see you in the 'universe

btw: how much you in for?

>>158551707
This is one of the most disappointing aspects of Awakens was the terrible ship porn.

When will item 2.0 be fully implemented.

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>>158547460

>>158527384
>what is the long term appeal of the game?
Emergent gameplay.

You people are so brainwashed you don't even know what a game is.

>if i dont have to work a 2nd online job, what is the point of buying a game?

>what's the point in playing a game if i don't get to treat it like a tedious 2nd online job?

You're like robots. Are you a Chinese goldfarming bot?

>>158552257
I"m not goon but I use goon talking points

>>158552257
>(it wont)

wtf I hate SC now

>>158552506

refunding

>>158552659
Ah the refund blues, most come back to shitpost

>>158552735

wtf i hate shitposters now

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>Star Citizen won't be released for another year
>Only 84% of ships will be finished by then
>Only one system with first second system shortly after
>Lots of content, missions, gameplay, it's like it's pretending to be a real game
>atleast 5-12 more Dsmart scoops that will SHATTER the game again each time


>Goons were right about it never leaving the hangar
>Goons were right about it never leaving the Arena mode
>Goons are right about it never entering 3.0
>Goons will be right about it never leaving Stanton to another system
>Goons will be right about it not adding a new solar system in 4.0
>Goons will be right about it never adding a new solar system in every 4.0 update, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3 along with new ships
>Goons will be rght about it never releasing
>Goons will be right about Derek never an heroing to save face

I mean come on Shtickizans, I'll admit the game witll enter Beta but it's like you believe it can leave beta.

>>158552453
then you are even worse than a goon, you have no brain of your own and adopt goon tendencies you are a diet coke goon

how fucking sad is your life?

>>158553659
I approve this message.

>>158553017
Fuck off, namefag

>>158553017
>atleast 5-12 more Dsmart scoops that will SHATTER the game again each time
Everything else is true but Smarts comments are both invalid and ironic since he's commited most of the "crimes" he's accusing CIG for.

>Goons were right about it never leaving hangar, arena
But it did progress past hangar and arena?

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>>158553659
>he wrote up 4 comic panels for it

>>158553812
is that how he decides what will happen next in his prediction?

he look at various thing he's fucked up?

that would give him incredible insight

>>158553812
>But it did progress past hangar and arena?
I think you missed the irony in namefag's post

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>>158553839
You're right, this is also accurate. People who think games shouldn't be fun are always the loudest idiotic shitposters.

>>158553017
Wow! This game is really ambitious! It will never get enough money on kickstarter!
>Gets $130,000,000 over 4 years
Wow! Why not play line of defence instead? It's a great game!
>Turns out to be most garbage game ever made
Wow! a single-player campaign 4 times the size of a call of duty single player campaign? There are no developers to do this!
>Gets put in development and alpha releases next year
Wow! Functional AI that can do battle? Devs don't know how!
>Arena Commander released
Wow! A PU with multiplayer and functional basic mechanics? CIG cannot make this!
>PU released, can support 30 players, basic gameplay mechanics
Wow! Planets will be procedurally generated and thousands of kilometers wide? The engine cannot support this!
>Engine supports planets thousands of kilometers wide and 4+ planet surfaces proven to work

Wow! Star Citizen will never be released!
>Star citizen eventually releases

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>>158554030
Nice try Shtickizan. You can't trick me into believing that Star Netizen will be a game, even if it releases it's merely pretending to be one.

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>>158554250
Why do you do this?

>>158553923
This is retarded.
Chess and a MMORPG are two completely separate things.

When was the last time you played Chess?

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>>158554337
That is a spiffy logo

>>158553923
>chess
>millions of possibilities

the chess meta is more stagnant than starcraft

>>158553923
Chess is a crappy tactical turn based RPG developed by a bunch of monkeys.

Right away you'll notice Chess has no storyline. Instead, all you notice is the the White army and the Black army are fighting each other over a battlefield. Note the "a battlefield," because Chess only has one story map.

As for the actual combat, it's extremely dull. Each unit can kill another with only one hit. This means units with a real good movement ability dominate the field (more on that bellow). There aren't even any combat animations or anything that happens in combat. One unit moves on it's space and "captures" it, and the piece is removed from the game with no form of action or special effects.

Yawn.

Chess has shitty class balance. The Queen is flat out overpowered while your actual front line units, the Pawns. can't do shit. I think the developers were afraid that no one would use the female character so they buffed up her abilities really high but now theres no point in using any other unit.

The rest of the units suck. Rooks can only move in 4 directions, same with Bishops. Boring. Also, whats up with the Knight? It has the most bizzare combat abilities of all the units. They're retardly hard to use cause they jump around like retards to move and attack. The devs should have named this unit Ninja, since Knights didn't jump around like that in real life.

Worst part, is the king. You see, the devs decided that if your king gets captured, you instantly lose the game. W-T-F? This wouldn't be a problem, except that he can't move for crap. Seriously, the most important unit in the game can only move 1 space a turn? Good luck keeping him alive while every other unit in the game dances around him.

Unbalanced classes, lackluster gameplay, and not to mention repetitive 1 hour+ games. Chess is not worth the time or your money. Buy Final Fantasy Tactics or Disgaea instead.

3 out of 10.

>>158553017
lol all the responses
has derek said anything about those ruse leaks or is he just pretending he didn't believe you?

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Hopefully when the game is released the community and game itself is rich enough to warrant people doing things purely for fun.

hopefully quests are extremely dynamic and theres infinite content at all stages of the game to experience for the first time over more than a year. and since MMOs are purely about fun and making freinds, surely theres no reason to have any grind between you and state of the art military destroyers and carriers. theyre purely for making freinds! nothing can threaten your god-given right to having fun, having an advantage over others because you've worked for it is unsportsmanlike.

>>158555636

/edg/ is back. Let's discuss.

/scg/ need not apply.

>>158554726
At least it's not a Elite:Dads version of chess

You would start with a pawn and grind your way to Queen one case at a time on an finite square map, at which point you would have nothing else to do.

>>158554393
>Chess and a MMORPG are two completely separate things
No they are both games. Chess is a 2 player game. MMOs are for potentially millions. Both games, MMOs don't need grind.

Which authentic alien language do I have to learn to be hired as an egg carrier?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkfFZnK5W9s

Will CIG cater to my sexuality and desired career path like other devs?

>>158553659

Who gets to be the Queen? Who are the pawns? If everyone can be Queens it is not chess.

Space jewery thread.

Aka crowd funded crap that hasn't and won't deliver.

X3 is still better FFS.

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>>158556010
Hey look at that, the shitposter came back with a new daring plan.
It's time we make a thread that encompass every space sim game

>>158556201
>smoke billowing in a vacuum

>>158556278
Kekius Caesar.

>>158556278

git gud

>>158554030

Except, all of your arguments go out the window when you talk about the netcode development, which is single-handedly holding CIG back. Besides, the netcode will be broken on release, then pulled back and reworked, and re-released later in Sept 2017.

I have faith in every bit of SC and CIG, except for their netcode.

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>>158556482
you are implying the game will release before september 2017

>>158505002
But even at that its shit right now.
When will they add the cluster bombs they spoke so much about in the lore ? When will we get the comfy interior modules we've been promised ?
I don't care thats its an obsolete bomber. Its supposed to be shit in this role compared to newer ships. Yet right now it can't be anything else than a bomber, i.e it doesn't have any choice but to be shit.
Anything else like turret placement, no fixed/pylon/gimball mounts and shit torpedo bay is just diarhea icing on the shit layered cake.
I didn't even by the fucking game but I want to fly the Retaliator because -on paper- its the kind of ship that I want to fly

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LOL

>>158556195
Then make it meaningful instead of just "X for best ship" and the bloody memery. This thread is just people shitposting about SC.

>>158556092
Is that the /v/ederation recruitment video? Sorry orgposting isn't allowed here.

>>158556062
>MMOs don't need grind.
it's easier than providing people with things that are fun to do over and over again, even if there is no reward for it other than the fun you had doing it
so it won't go away

>>158556543

Nah, just the very first iteration of the netcode, while everything else in the game comes to a screeching halt because it has to wait for it except for more and more juicy ship sales as a damage control to keep the studios funded.

>>158556656
do these people have no friends to discuss that shit with?
how did they even manage to get into a relationship?

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Jalthi when?

Wew lads the shitposter is trying to split the thread again. >>158555636

>>158558419
>>158556195
fag detected.

>>158558518
Enjoy your second failed attempt to split the thread
>5 posters
Lmao DEAD THREAD

>no sq42 at citcon
>nothing new at citcon
>worst commercial yet with just a bunch of concept art and a voice over
>SM doesn't even have basic animations
>Lando refuses to take any questions about 2.6 blockers at subscriber townhall despite them being 1/3rd of the questions
>It's been 1 year since the last game design write up
>Anniversary event will be "heavily focused on ships"

Is there any hope of getting 2.6 before 2017?

>>158558718
>devbuild is missing one transition from mid-vault to standing position animation
>"SM deosn't even have basic animations"
When will this meme attempt die?

>>158558841

Same time Elite Dangerous finally dies.

>>158558718
>nothing new at citcon
Procedural planet, vegetation, sandstorm, rover physics, more proof that you can leave planet and get to another in one seamless experience. Nothing new right...
Reminder that even what isn't new is awesome in game design.

>>158559350
So in forty minutes?

>>158559361
the only thing that was new was the sandstorm/weather

We had already seen ground vehicle physics and procedural planets

>>158560129
We've seen low/un-textured Planets 1.0, CitCon showed off Planets 2.0 and actual gameplay and missions on a planet. "We saw nothing new" is a really weak point to try to defend.

>>158559361
>proof of seamless
This was shown before horizons came out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jE7UhIyRnA

the renderer itself is not proof that the gameplay will be seamless

>>158554745
He doesn't know.

>>158560275

I think he meant the jump from atmo to atmo. Although they had to change something to jump from atmo anyway.

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>>158558718

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>>158554745
No, Derek only just got permabanned from FD's forums.

>>158560651
>someone made this

I've only really just thought about it
Like even the way it changes constantly looks like some kind of neurosis

>>158553017
Oh hey, you're back. Did he fall for it again?

>>158550702
So, anyone have a pastebin for this game?
I really like the thought of base building in space and all that jazz, I'd just like some of your guy's thoughts on it, condensed with a few guides/FAQs

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>>158561376
I think that requires a larger response, time for Derek leak time

>upon learning that AgentInfo was all bait, derek started calling me a "cig puppet" and refering to me as "semblance shill"
>Goons have been poking fun at derek for this a few were in on it
>"Any more Agent leaks, Smart?" "Anonymous source reports say ship sales are to continue!"
>Derek rage quit ("taking a break") from the Discord and has only been back once briefly
>Derek is now attempting to segregate from the Goons, posting less and less on SA
>Smart is trying to find a new forum for his "patisans" (his word choice)
>He got banned from frontier forum
>came into discord briefly to bitch at goons for "report bombing" him

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>>158562384
Thanks goonie

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>>158562384
What a ride

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>>158562384
laugh now while you can

then fuck off back to SA

>>158558718
>Is there any hope of getting 2.6 before 2017?
I believe so. It'll be close though

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For ED, is 2.3 going to be multicrew and character creation?
What is planned for 2.4?

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>>158562653

They needed Sothis and Cross runs. Rip 40 million each run. I only get like 10 or 8 million this run

>>158564153
They nerfed Sothis and Ceos missions*

>>158562739
lol
more VISION, of course

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>>158564153
>>158564303

>>158562384
>Trying to find a new forum
>Got banned from frontier forum

Amazing. Thanks for the update

>need to relog for skimmer because they dont spawn enough
how the hell are you supposed to do these missions legit?

>>158562384
>derekshart rage quiting goon discord
>LOD 0 players last two weeks

Derek smart on suicide watch

>>158565662
Frontier and the dads expect you to do something else.

When is the next Austin ATV? Next week?

>>158562384
>started calling me a "cig puppet"

hoyl fuk

tfw its faster to get cheap eagle, do kent base for skimmers and suicide. 50k for rebuy at the station you hand in the missions.

>>158566109
Im not sure how they could fix boards. 30 missions per faction? A refresh button in the station menu?

30 missions seems reasonable to me until the rng craps out due to unpaid intern coding and you get 30 of the same exact mission.

>>158567107
There's nothing to fix. Go to another station, dad.

>>158567107
Like I said, Frontier/Dads expect you to do something else. Logging to refresh the board is technically an exploit, but one that isn't enforced as rule breaking. So really, who gives a shit, just do it, because Frontier has no intentions of ever actually fixing it. Unless you're into that immersion bullshit that the dads cry about when shit like ship transfers pops up.

What is the best money making method in E:D now, passenger transport?

>>158558419
It was a nice try.

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Why does the Polaris carry six fighters and the Corvette only one when they're the same size?

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>>158569375
>Polaris
>Corvette

Are you comparing ED with SC? Maybe for balancing purposes because Frontier thinks having a small fleet will be overkill, who the fuck knows.

>>158569648
Polaris can only carry one fighter. I think they're shitposting as no ship in either game can carry exactly six fighters

>>158569763
He's probably thinking of the snub fighters, which the Polaris can squeeze in.