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1st for fuck kobolds

Post Forts

Some migrants have arrived.

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>>158334691
Yeah, with dfhack you have the twbt plugin and set the font/fullfont lines to the text set, then the graphics font/graphics fullfont lines to the graphical/map set and print mode: twbt for the basic effect, you can also toss in overrides for items and shit.
>>158334691
Will do.
>>158334691
As a fellow retarded, it's ok.

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>>158335275
Oldish one of mine. I ended up fortifying it a bit, changed a couple things around, but this remains the essence of the project.

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I will post bote until toady adds boat in the game and we can have real fishing in the game

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nth for cutebolds

>>158335806
Thanks. Didn't realize it required DFHack, which is fine. This will give me the chance to doodle out some animals and gobbos etc. Praise the Miners!

>>158335812
Nice layout, I like that tapered design. Das a good tileset and color scheme you got dere

>>158336326
Tanks mate.
And I settled on using Taffer's stuff a good long time ago.

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>>158335824

>>158336221
Yar, twbt is a neat fort mode bit of eyecandy help. To see different overrides and whatnot you can check the gemset files, though they actually bump into and go beyond the limits of what twbt can do by overriding everything. A nicely done text/map set and a few overrides is more than enough for a good twbt set really.

'm probably retarded but I can't find a way to see what's in a bin, what am I missing?

>>158335824
Your not even relatable able

>>158338996
You loo(k)ed at it and it doesnt show the contents?
Pro tip, bins are best avoided, they cause issues with dwarves not finding items and are generally buggy.

>What sort of rooms should I be thinking of while working on my layout plan? So far I've got
>>farms
>>bedrooms
>>workshops
>>storage

>>158339354
Yep no I'm indeed retarded, it was just a bunch of empty bins.

I'm going to go slap myself now.

>>158336541
>>158339220
I can be reloteboteble

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>>158339603

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Newest pic.

This game would be half decent if it wasn't for all the crashes

Question, so im trying to make my own tileset but theres something cool i want to take from grim fortress but dont know how he did it. The floor is not black with just . ,, ., . colored but the squares of the floor are actually colored. How do i achieve that?

>>158343925
My game almost never crashes, but I keep my forts quite small, only 100ish dwarves usually

>>158343586
Modern Dorf Fort is such a seedy place.

What determines whether or not my dwarves decide that various finished goods belong to them personally instead of being available to trade with merchants? The dwarven merchants requested bracelets, but I really don't want to make a blinged out gold bracelet encrusted with every gem I've got only for Urist McHauler to say "That's MINE now! All mine, nobody else's!"

>>158345409
Repeated decoration of an item does not increase net worth more than spreading those decorations around.
Just stick one gem per bracelet and the loss due to any one bracelet will be marginal.

>>158345572
Ok, but I'd still like to know how to avoid having random dwarves commandeer my shiniest shinies just for the lulz. I have only so much gold.

can i make a graphic set that separates the dwarves girls from bois?

>>>158347878
Nope.

>>158343925
I haven't crashed since July 2014 when I tried to talk to god on purpose to cause a known crash. That's not to say there aren't plenty of known crashes, but they're very infrequent and almost never game-breaking.

Apparently, you can make a room out of an outdoor cage, but you can't use it for justice.

What the fuck is a grown birchen litheme? The gaylves are selling one

>>158354092
Probably an instrument

>>158354127
That's so fucking gay, I think I'm going to murder them.

>>158339354
What would you suggest over bins?

So, if i want to use a river head to make a waterfall in my main meeting area and have it flow off of the map, can I just dig to the side of the map to have it do that? Or can it only go off map through rivers?

Is there a way to plant a fruit to get a tree that produces said fruit?

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Apparently Toady forgot to allow image specification on earthenware statues. Now what am I supposed to make a statue of the dwarven god of earth out of?

>>158339568
tavern, temple(s), library, nobles' luxury rooms, barracks

>>158354487
Sprawling stockpiles or letting things pile up in workshops seem to be the main alternatives. Some people might say quantum stockpiles, but I've never used those. They seem like a lot of hassle and kind of cheaty.

>>158354969
I don't think you can dig the edge of the map, though that might have changed. I think water will flow off any map edge if it can get there though. I'm not really sure about any of this, however.

>>158355752
I don't think so.

Any tips on Adventure Mode? Kinda just started, what should i do?

>>158358291
Get friends, make sure you set yourself up to be near shelter each night, fill your backpack with water, and don't hesitate to run from a pitched fight.

A lot of folks like to train their adventurers on harmless kinds of animals before moving on to real threats.

Don't be intimidated by the attack selection menu.
Blows to the head, neck, and torso can kill or disable an enemy easily, but are the most armored on humanoid enemies. Until you get extra good, make sure to pay attention to any gaps in their armor, disable or maim a limb when the opportunity presents to cripple them, then target the vitals, or else move on to a still dangerous foe.
As long as an enemy is holding a bow or crossbow, they're dangerous. I've lost more adventurers to a stray silver arrow than anything else.

What military improvements do you look forward to the most?

Siege equipment/tactics?
Proper Mounted combat?
Army composition/formations?
Potential new weapons?
Artifact/innovation incorporation into hostile armies?
Throwing weapons (I assume these will happen eventually) ?

>>158360445
I'd honestly just be happy if my marksdwarves would grab their assigned ammo rather than charging into the fray of battle.

>>158360445
this >>158360515. I want a group of dwarves to patrol my walls and shoot at people from safety, rather than charge in stupidly.

When Toady gets to boats what do you all think he'll do in regards to naval warfare?

He said he isn't entirely opposed to the idea of naval guns aside from the fact that it opens the can of worms that is gunpowder. Maybe we'll see some old-fashioned boarding/ramming stuff?

Goblin galleys driven by slave oarsmen ramming and boarding to enslave/loot/ransom their victims
Human/Dwarf longships and galleons with ballistas and firing ports
Elf junks floating around and being all extravagant before being set ablaze by one of the above

How do I get started?

Seems like a fun game.

>>158362271
There is literally a pair of sections in the OP dedicated to guides for new players.

>>158362591

Thanks, I guess

>>158362614
Ignore him.
Download the game, use the wiki when you need to (and yeah the stuff in the OP helps), and if you can't find an answer to your question, we'll probably have one for you.

>>158362668

Thanks. The game seems a bit overwhelming. I'm trying to find greentexts and stories on what happened to players. That always gets me going.

Same thing happened with Rimworld.

>>158362728
It's really not too hard once you figure out how to produce the things you need for a fort. Like I said, wiki's your best friend, and if the wiki fails you, ask us.

>>158362728
Did you just imply Rimworld was a bit overwhelming for you?

I... I think DF is not the game for you.

>>158343586
>no kobolds
as it should be

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So this human chemist is visiting, but he's in a (very slowly) draining pool. Should I be worried?

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Any Rimworld players in this general? I want to give you a knuckle sandwich.

>>158366054
I play Rimworld on a casual basis, mostly at work because office computers suck and won't run anything else.

Come at me bruv

>>158366054
Has a lot of potential, but it's way too limited by trying to be an entertaining gaming experience. Plus, the community with all of its shitty bloat mods ala Masterwork is utter cancer.

>>158365663
>human chemist visits
>stands in a pool of water for days
>try to tell him standing around in deep water is dangerous
>his reply is "I AM THE DANGER"

>>158366054
I did play Rimworld for a while.

It was good because it made me return to DF.

>>158366348
lol, I had a weregila come attack us. It went for him first and then turned into a human and ran away even though I had my dwarves standing right outside the pool. Next time I'll make sure they're ready.

>>158343586
What do you use to draw with?

if a werebest bites a dwarf bruising a muscle is it 100% sure that he's infected?
my military commander just soloed two werepanthers and I'd hate to have to put her down

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>click on some tile
>game crashes
>reload save
>suddenly, can't go a minute without this happening

Well, this is annoying.

>>158368341
The teeth must pierced the skin. No penetration no infection.

>>158368728
>The werepanther bites the militia commander in the right upper arm, tearing the muscle through the sheep wool dress!
>Many nerves have been severed!
w-will she be okay?

>>158360912
Boats had catapults, balistas, fire throwers..

>>158368728
>No penetration no infection.
lewd.

>>158368670
>click
found your problem

>>158369128
Maybe. Lock her up just to be sure. If she doesn't turn within a month, you can let her go.

How do I kill angels

>>158370107
Find pointy thing and stabby-stabby, or find a big blunt thing and bashy-bashy.

>>158370107
Hit them until they die.

>>158370107
Have you tried turning them off and then turning them on again?

>>158370107
you need to use your shout first to make them fall from the sky

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>>158371975
kek'd

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Nothing shall stand in her way.

If I retire an adventurer at one of my fortresses can I heal him?

>>158373316
Not sure. Sometimes it's possible to "miss out" on healing a character if he doesn't get to the hospital in time. However, I've seen old unhealed injuries get healed the next time the dorf in question gets hurt. So maybe you need to give your adventurer a new injury in order to get the old ones healed.

>>158373520
Well, my adventurer has an infection on the neck and as far as I know you can't heal it in adventurer mode, so that's my only option.

>>158373520
>>158374598
Or does transforming into a werebeast heal infections?

>>158374598
Infections can't be healed in any mode. They can be prvented in fort mode by cleaning the wound with soap, bu onc they occur, you have to wait them out and hope that you survive.

>>158374725
Really?

Well, I guess I'll just wait then

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>tfw you just found out that the demon leader of the gobbo civ you're warring against was set free by a goddess of fortresses of your civ, "so that fortresses may be tested in battle"
A surprisingly big part of my population worships her. I'm a bit ambivalent. Of course it's good that she's bringing the fun to me, but my current fort isn't combat oriented and the sieges are a bother.

>>158374673
Yes, transforming into a werebeast even regenerates severed limbs. Someone once did some trickery to duplicate werebeasts by equipping them in full steel save for a single limb then making them go unconscious on a bunch of glass serrated disk traps which pinged off the armoured bits and cut off the unarmoured bits. Then the severed bis would be reanimated via necromancer, and they would all turn into werebeasts at full moon, fully regenerating a new dwarf per body part. If I remember correctly. It may have been done differently.

benis

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What are some fun beasts to play in Adventure mode?

>>158378204
elves

>>158355752
>cut evry tree but the one you want fruit from
>wait a couple years
bum
But no, unless you already have one tree, you cant
Tree planting isnt in the game yet. I suppose it could be used as a way to befriend the elves. Mass planting trees n your country

>>158376661
You're making that up. Becoming undead of any variety removes werecurses.

>>158360445
Too much for list them. The military part of the game is one of the biggest cool stuff it has right now, but its actually one of the buggiest and underrated too
>proper AI
>More control on how things get done in groups(carefully, defensive, tactic, agresive, etc.)This could work too when you are autoatacking, to define how the player should battle(although it'll probably depend from your personality)
>Ability to call, command and tell them to not atack in adventure mode, based on their respect towards you, and their personality
>Mass, automated looting, so They can upgrade their armor without me telling them to do so
>spies and commanders, ranks and glory
>Strategical Ai when commanding wars sounds amazingly good, but also really tough to program

>>158360912
Fucking greeks had water-proof-fire throwers
We'll find a way
No but really, if we ever get to use multi-tile objects, ropes for example, their biggest utility will be in climbing and pirating ships
>>158362271
>fun
You are about to leave your old life back. Say farewell to your loved ones, and endure the ride

>>158370107
Become a demon

>>158378785
Nope, you are wrong, what >>158376661
says is true, I read about it too
Pretty bizarre thing

>>158379687
Tried to find the original thread I saw it in on the bay12 forums, but couldn't. Regardless, if you google around you can find multiple mentions. It was patched some time ago though, and undead can no longer be werecreatures.

>>158362271
Download the game, extract zip, run game
Generate a world, then it takes you to title screen, select Start Playing
Choose a location to embark, press f to find a desired location, I recommend parameters 2x2 embark square, No aquifer, Yes metals, Some soil
Press e to embark once you find a good spot
Prepare for the journey carefully. Google a good embark profile, typically you want a couple miners, carpenter, mason, metalsmith, farmer...
Tab over to items, take more seeds, more booze, press n to add items- coal is good to bring
Press e to start.

Make sure u read the controls at the bottom of the screen as you generate a map and as u go through the preliminary embark screens.

Look up some YouTube tutorials

>>158375426
Only struggle makes us better, Anon.

Embrace it.

>>158378785
>>158379687
It was a bug that lasted for all of a month in 2012. http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=5595
He probably read about it on TVtropes, which is font of bullshit and misinformation about DF.

>>158383336
>TVtropes
Fuck I hate that site. Used to lurk on it back in high school, but I gradually realised how retarded it was.

>>158329794
If you can get the dwarves to search paths that involve climbing and jumping, they do it extremely well.
A*: It fucking works.

>become strong enought to defeat boogeymen
>they don't attack me anymore
Damn

Should I start making stuff out of iron or go straight for steel?

>>158384590
They really don't. That was about the 10 millionth instance in Relicwebs of a dwarf choosing a ridiculous and dangerous path after being forced to climb. She was in a room, literally adjacent to solid ground and surrounded by accessible tiles, but instead she chose to climb down 6 zlevels around the perimeter of a sheer cliff above a lake to a ledge that is unpathable by any other means. I'm less surprised that she jumped than I am that she didn't stay on the ledge waiting for me to rescue her like 90% of the other instances that this has happened. I suspect that it may only be the case that she failed her grab check on the pillar she was jumping to.

>>158384741
If you have all the fixins for steel you might as well.

>go to necromancer tower
>game always crashed while fighting zombies
I think my PC can't handle it

In a very short succession, I've had four beast attacks:
>fire breathing dimetrodon FB
>ettin
>fire breathing weasel FB
>wereelk

I haven't killed the wereelk yet, so I don't know whether the beast nightmare has stopped yet. However, I'm pretty sure they aren't supposed to attack this frequently. These attacks all occured in less than two weeks.

>>158362728
Take it one step at a time. First, just figure out how to designate areas to be mined, how ramps and stairs work, how to cut trees down, how to build a few workshops and make furniture, how to make farm plots to plant and harvest food, how to cook meals and brew alcohol, how to gather plants / fruits, etc.

Figure out how to produce all the wood / stone furniture you need for a fortress as well as how to produce all the food and booze that you need to survive. Once you've got that down and your Dwarves are sleeping in beds and eating at tables and aren't in danger of starving or dying of thirst, then you can start working on your metal industry and figure out how to set up a military and equip them with weapons and armor and make them train in barracks. After that you can do whatever you want.

>>158386036
Seriously, I barely get to kill one beast before the next arrives. The Ettin arrived as I was still fighting the dimetrodon FB.

>>158386383
>>158386036
It's just rng fucking you. I had 3 FBs and a cyclops on top of each other recently, I've had double sieges with a FB a couple of times (a d vice versa a few times as well), and werebeasts always seem to want to show up while I'm dealing with another threat. It happens.

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bumping with a rare toady

>>158384741
I train my armor and weapon smiths on iron (leggings and giant axe blades -- these items return more metal bars than they require to make when melted) and designate all the non-masterworks to be melted down while I use the masterworks as trade goods. Once I get them to great or master (it doesn't take long at all) then I start producing all the steel weapons and armor for my first military squad. I usually run 4 smelters for 2 metalsmith forges at the beginning to produce all the coke, iron, pig iron, and steel that I need.

>>158389873
>that nose
>those cheekbones
he looks like he's part dwarf

Finally time for the yearly cleaning of the fortress

think Ive sold and atom smashed away at least a 1000 ton of sweaty dwarfish cloths

why the hell does dwarfs hoard broken shit is there some way to auto destroy it or something?

>>158390564
You should see him with a beard.

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man, I thought I spotted a sea monster or something on my radar but it was just a camp full of goblins drowning on the sea floor

stupid goblins, you can't even breathe salt

>>158390564
Not to mention he's shorter than those asians

>>158390173
So you can make an unlimited amount of iron bars by crafting and melting leggings and giant axe blades?

>>158383630
why? I genuinely like it?

It's only year 2, I only had 2 wave of 4 migrants. I just finished building a gigantic tavern and the ver second I pressed enter to label the zone as a tavern a wave of 23 migrants came in.

Is that a coincidence?

How long until multitile creatures and how big of an impact will it have on the game?

>>158384682
I wonder, with the upcoming myth update, if we'll ever achieve the ''Grind until you become a god/archimage/The beareater, etc.
You are already capped with your race and starting stats, but if some god aided you to eliminate those problems, you could get seriously juicy

>>158357285
I agree with the sprawling stockpiles.

About every ten levels i make an 11th carvern for storage, if nothing else for the stone im pulling out. Usually also try to segregate the level into several 5x5 rooms or 7x7 of different stuff in each.

Makes it really impressive looking if you have rooms of ggold or something.

>>158392204
No. The 3rd migrant wave is always large, usually the largest a fort will ever get. This is because (in most forts) it's the first migrant wave you receive after your first dwarven caravan, who will have reported your wealth to the mountainhome. That may not apply to reclaimed worldgen forts or forts that aren't the first player fort in a world, because those don't always start in spring.

>>158392307
>How long until multitile creatures
We really don't know
>How big of an impact will it have
They are talking about it in the FoF thread on the forums, basically reworked combat system, and enemy AI, terraformation by creatures, fattys getting pissed for living in a 1-tile house.
Real challenges at fighting, more combat features for bigger enemies and so

>>158392307
Never. Toady is going to realize he can't develop a game for shit and kill himself.

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>>158379401
>angels appear around fort
>aggressivley convert all youe dorfs into demons
>slaughter angels
>non dorf demons begin showing up
>wellshit.docx
>agressivley redeem and elevate all your demon dorfs
>become pure angelic fortress of angel dorfs
>defeat demons
>angels return to praise you for defeating the demons, and stopping armaghedon
>herewegoagain.odt

>>158393375
gotcha, thanks

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>>158389873
he he he

>>158391649
Hah, gotta love it.

>>158392784
You can mod that effect now, I was testing recently on a hunch if you could effectively uncap your attributes. The [PHYS/MENT_ATTRIBUTE_CAP_PERC:value] tag I think is what does it, the default is set at 200 I think, but setting it to 500 or 1000 or whatever works, making the maximum stats 25000 or 50000 instead of 10000.

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>>158396370
Can I make certain objects cause that effect?
That would basically cause divine relics to exist


I love you all /dfg/

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Doing my yearly rounds seeing if FPS problem has been adressed, and i see 64bit support?
Any impact on FPS or otherwise?
And i see in the OP that prettymuch everything is outdated, is it a bad time to pick it up again or the OP itself is outdated?

>>158397546
Minor FPS impact, but allows for 16x16 embarks and larger worlds.

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>>158397429
Not yet, you'd need dfhack with support for itemsyndrome stuff or to eat it and apply it as a syndrome that way, but the magic arc should cover shit like that.

>>158397546
On a fort like that big bastard, 64 bit should help, it's less of an immediate "WHOA FAST" thing because it's already whoafast when you start, but the decline into fps:ha ha ha, no land is slower.

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>>158398218
welp, the starter pack doesnt support it, but on further reading the traps are bugged so might as well.

>big bastard
Thats actually the smallest i could think of, merging the bedrooms, storage ana workshop into a single layer (and still be presentable)

>>158383336
Nah mate I'm pretty sure it was a thread by the same guy who used huge swarm of captive undead ravens to fight the demons. Almost sure it was the same fort too. Just can't remember the name of the fort or the user.

>>158397546
Everything is outdated, but both DFHack and DT are available in alpha forms, though DT requires a bit of editing INI and only works for 32-bit Dwarf Fortress.

>>158398218
> <0====
benis xd haaha

How do I get Dwarf Therapist to work with the current version?

>>158400428
By waiting

>>158397546
Everything is outdated because everything is waiting for stable DFhack/rapist, which takes a while because 64bit (and with it compiler switch).
If you don't use those, it's as a good time as ever.

64bit alleviates some bottlenecks, others not. So, in specific circumstances you will get better performance (large embarks and larger worlds specifically), but in general there will still be FPS death sooner or later.

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>>158401604
Yeah, this is one of the tests I did, forget it if was the "run for 3 minutes" or the "run to year 300" but they both had similar results, higher populations, less time to reach a given year, less slowdown with 64 bit.

>>158391974
Yeah, pretty much, except that as your weaponsmiths and armorsmiths get more experience they will start making masterwork leggings and giant axe blades and will get very upset if you melt those down, so for maximum metal production efficiency you should use less experienced metalsmiths. Of course, if you REALLY want to produce extra metal then you should use the single bolt exploit instead.

>>158401604
quick poll:
how long do the forts of the general usualy last till fpsdeath?

i give up on avarage 10 years.

>>158402789
vastly different depending on what I do.
5-50 years

>>158402901
>50 years
wtf

Are you Relicwebs-anon? He's been posting his fort since the beginning of the year.

>>158403081
Nah, longest fort I had was 30, but it was a very minimal fort and at that point it still had quite a while to go before I'd have considered it unplayable, so I estimated 50 years (and also because it fits nicely with my 5 years minimum estimation).

>>158402789
Depends on what I set the population cap to and if I'm playing on my laptop or my desktop.

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>>158403435
>that tileset

>>158398218
Damn, the concept for multi-tile creatures is ugly af
atm, hope Toady invents something good for that

Now that I think about it, moving creatures will have to have some sorta animation sequence if they are bigger than one tile, right?

>>158403435
What am I looking at here?

>>158403774
That's just my idea for how it could work.

I built a wall to keep newcomers out of my fort, but there's like 20 of them outside my wall, ruining my FPS, and I need them gone. But I need to prevent any and all forms of contamination of my fort.

Any idea on how I should deal with these lazy assholes?

>>158406274
have them build a shanty tow at the surface, and form their own society up there. maybe they'll be viped out by the next siege, maybe they form a potent militia to protect themselves.

>>158406274
You have 20 free workers to build whatever death trap you want. Surely you can think of a solution.

>>158406473
>>158406534
None of them have an axe. None of them have a pick.

The traders are leaving, so it's a no-go on finding picks and axes to work with.

>>158406274

Make them collect wood and herbs that they stock on a huge stone alter with a hatch connected to a lever that dump it all into your fortress

kinda like sacrificing to the gods ya know.

>>158406947
minecart shotgun a few rocks out. Or minecart shotgun them directly.
Or build a type of air lock (two doors with only one open at the same time) to transfer items.

>>158407314
I got a pick and an axe from the traders, selling the gloves and mittens of some dwarven children that got murdered by a werebeast last year.

Ghetto fort time is here.

>>158407109
>>158407314
The issue with these suggestions too is that any opening I make from my fortress will let the lazy assholes have a way in. This must be stopped at all costs.

>>158406274
Wait until the law update, when you will be able to negate housing to certain groups of people with/without consequences


Man, the forums are a great place to make Toady read stuff, but some people really have their heads inside other people arses

>>158407606
There is no way in with a double air lock without your explicit permission.

>>158403081
Relicwebs anon here. Believe it or not, Relicwebs is only just shy of its 13th birthday. I started it in March, but took an unintentional hiatus from April-July. I play slowly (I didn't even unpause the first time for 4 days after embarking), and don't play everyday (job, life, etc). If I get through a whole season in one sitting it's pretty damn fast by my standards.

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>tfw the wombat demon master survives the spire deconstruction
>tfw they're your ally against demons now

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>>158408927
:O

What have I done?

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>>158403435
>>158403995

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Rummybump.

Are minotaurs the strongest semi-megabeasts?

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>>158335275
r8

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>>158412714
MY EEEYYYES
MY EEEEYES
MY EEEEEYES

>>158412714
>the magical realm is real

>>158412530
No. They're the weakest.

>>158412714
Rate what? Your dirt? Show the fort-y part of your fort.

>>158414298
>dirt
That is sand, my good sir

>>158415119
Sand is dirt.

>>158412714
>desert man moaning and playing flute off in the distance

>>158414298
>they're the weakest
I can kill cyclops, ettins and giants, but minotaurs alway kill my adventurer

>>158416795
Dem horns man, dem horns.

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>very rare minerals world, no iron anywhere
>embark with two steel anvils
>smelt over 500 steel leggings
>mfw easiest and fastest metal industry of my life without digging below 5 z-levels

>>158417403
what

>>158417403
but who was leggings!? where did leggings come from

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>>158417882

>>158417882
Leggings have a melting efficiency of 150%

>>158417189
Actually, it's
>dem weapons skills + equipped weapon man
Unlike giants, minotaurs are armed, and pretty good at using weapons.

>>158418157
>>158418197
>toady will take 2 years to fix things like this because he is an autistic man children that doesn't release small fixes after the update phase has passed
he he he he

>>158418227
But they're not armed. It's one of the things that makes them such a joke. Not only are they smaller than cows, they have a bunch of natural expert weapon skills and don't spawn with weapons. Their unarmed skills are low, so anyone with middling defensive skills can kill one easily.

>>158418332
>2 years
It's already been in the game for over 4 years.

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>>158419386

>>158417403
>leave the game for 10 minutes while I take a shit
>come back to find half my legendary military squad dead by dehydration after they over-exerted trying to kill a reanimated goblin head
toady please
PLEASE
FIX THE GAME

>>158421605
stupid forced meme

>>158422126
Your mother is a forced meme

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>>158422280
Your forced mother meme is a forced meme mother!

>>158422280
>>158422467
Guys, settle down. There is no need to feel vengeful.

>>158423681
I have a part in this!

>>158423681
It was inevitable

>/dfg/ a few years ago
>no trip/name/avatar fags
>no forced memes
>discussion

>/dfg/ now
>Forced memes everywhere
>le look at my retarded /pol/ image edit, aint I cool!
>le dem dorfs
>budget cao cao poster
>no discussion

>>158429208
>>no discussion
Well, don't keep us waiting.

You know I've seen everyone shitting on Masterwork but no one has been talking about another neat overhaul mod, Genesis. Its like Masterwork with less bloat and some subspecies of dorfs.

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>>158430179
>subspecies of dorfs

>>158432315
yeh

http://df-genesis.wikidot.com/dwarf

>>158368670

Yep, I give up for the time being.

The beginning mod pack is unstable as shit. Even deleting, restarting, reinstalling, and starting it back up causes this error in less than a minute now.
The current version seems more stable (it doesn't temporarily hang at parts that the mod pack did), but I can't get the graphics pack that I'm trying to use to work properly. It makes parts of the text unreadable.

It sounds like Dwarf Therapist is a must-use that isn't working with the current version, too.

>>158434131

Nevermind. Looking at it again, I just didn't set the colors to work with the tileset and graphics that I had.

>>158434131
Many of us play without the rapist. You can too.

>>158435075
autists among autists.

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>>158435643
literally you

>>158432957
>Gloomers
We already have those. Literally just refuse a dwarf liquor.

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Should I still use this area as my general stockpile, as described in the guide? It's looking more like a salt mine than a stockpile.

>>158435075
This. Just try playing vanilla DF without therapist or dfhack. Stop trying to micromanage labor settings so much and you'll find that dwarf therapist isn't necessary at all.

>>158438816
Those rocks don't matter, you can make a stockpile right on top of them. Your masons and stonecrafters will use the rocks up as they need them anyway.

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>you will never beat the shit out of an alligator snapping turtle

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>>158440168

Piece of shit turtle.

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I can't wait to see nonsense with these lava pool temples and artifacts, "the eternally burning trousers of the holy fist" or some shit.

UPDATE

>>158443578
What are you on about?

Is there a config option that will reduce the number of migrants you get per wave? I'm a half hour in and my crew has already quadrupled in size and finding work for these moochers is really killing my fun.

>>158440168
>>158440283
They aren't something you should fuck with, as this very smart individual demonstrates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBSFeJ1WLv4

>>158448549
Ornery fucks.

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How do you think Toady will handle NPCs using all the crazy magic he intends to implement?

Maybe they won't get too crazy, I doubt anyone could manage to make the AI properly use powers so niche they may as well be a Stand abilities

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>>158441058
>speed 9.6/9.9
But how

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>>158457435
Eat your modded plumps to grow up big and strong!

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>>158457680
helm plumps have their downsides, too

>>158451925
The sky is the limit anon
The only thing that actually limits magic and a lot of mechanics is the psychology and independent thinking of people.
In the future, If you allow it, people from your fort might decide that they want to migrate to another fort, or go rescue their daughters from demon lords, etc. by their own thoughts and man-made objectives
JOJO- like stands would be short term invocations of creatures from another dimension, or something like that
If you make the enemy properly realize that they can use 'stands' to atack you, they should(when combat based on personality is added) use it to that purpose

>>158457435
Pump them modded helms, Urist, and you too can bullet time around like whoa.

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Elves are for _____

>>158462450
>Elves are for
hugging And brutally torture

>>158462450
>Elves are for slave labor cutting trees and producing charcoal even though I almost always use magma forges

>>158445891
Not that I know of. Whenever I get a huge migrant wave in and can't find enough things for them to do then I'll draft a lot of them into the military and set them to train 24/7.

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bump

I keep getting the "you need more free nestbox zones message yet there's a bunch of unclaimed nestbox in my pasture/pen zone where al my animals are. What am I doing wrong?

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161109.new#new

I mean, they turn any discussion's theme into rape quicker than us

>>158467723
have fun with your "DF for low performance computers"

the 2d feels pretty limiting, but it's still an okay substitute for killing an hour or two

>>158469052
you can set your clock after 'random events' happening to you in that game
feels utterly game-y

as in, rimworld feels like a theme park, while df is an open world

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The race suggestion was stupid to begin with. The only possible intent from the OP (he's one of us, isn't he? I have a vague memory of him mentioning it in the general) is to bait the PC part of bay12.

We already have abstract genetics which determine the appearance (and possibly attributes) of certain population within the same species. That's about as close to "race" as you can get. Although to be honest, the concept of race is kinda obsolete, since it doesn't fully consider the plasticity of genetics.

Basically, race was a thing in DF all along but no one cared. OP was just an edgy retard, and it seems like he managed to stir up the shitstorm he was looking for.

>>158462450
Imported exotic animals

>df2025
>start new dwarf adventurer in a city only it turns out the anti-dwarf pogroms have just begun
What do you do?

>>158470529
Oy Selsten, truly another Thetust.

I have a question about taverns/inns, how does assigning bedrooms to it work? do they have to be within the tavern area, or can they be near? (so, for example, one z level under it), also, should I put cabinets and chests on the inn's bedrooms? do long term residents need/appreciate them?
Is it a good idea to make it so the tavern is also the dinning hall? I tried making a tavern for the first time and it seems like dwarves like to hang out and eat more in there than in the dinning hall or the temple

>TFW toady cant work on the magic arc fast enough

I want cool spells and magical artifacts DAMNIT

>>158471282
don't bother with tavern bedrooms, guests literally don't care
inns/libraries/temple's only purpose is to attract visitors which can help you defend and sometimes join you as soldiers, everything else doesn't matter

>>158472773
>don't bother with tavern bedrooms, guests literally don't care
Maybe, but they'll still scatter their shit on the floor if they don't have anywhere to put it.

Also, having guests sleep on your dancefloors gives a bad vibe.

>>158470529
Use my family's relic of protection to escape the city and migrate to another fort with my family, in the 'DwarfTrail'- esque mode for mass traveling
After the initial mayhem, pact with a demon to trade the relic for awesome merchant powers.
Make an oath to my family and god so that my man-made objective (revenge against the humans) becomes a family affair. That way, If I die, my family will keep where I left it, and I'll be able to play as my descendants
Use my new powers to slowly win the world, and force political moves to kill the humans

Can someone explain to me why my injured dwarf is being diagnosed by a peasant with the diagnose labour disabled when I have a professional diagnoser having no job around?

>>158408687
This sounds a lot like me... I have a fort ive been playing for about 4 (irl) years on and off. Mostly off. Its completley underground by now, and i think i sealed the outer doors. I keep digging down and expanding. Got too many dwarfs, because last time i checked i never get below about 10 babies at any given time. No traders, migrants, or anything. Ive found and excavated about 3 natural cavern syatems, but i play defensivley. Build the wall, and never leave the inside. Occassionally an excavation team will run into something, and ill quarentine and call up necessary guard units. I feed them on very limited diets of cave wheat, plump helmets and whatever else. A few underground water scpurces keep them hydrated, though i usually floor and well those, since stuff in it attacks me. Last time i did a season check ive gone through about 17 winters? Something like that.

>>158476207
I feel you anon, I hate that the only way for you to make a certain medic work is by dispatching all the others in your fort
You should be able to asign certain docs for certain activities to each patient, and also asign levels of priority, and commision visits to the doctor, that's the only way you will get some power over the health in your fort

>>158476474
Do you play any forts on the recent versions? Don't tell me you haven't bothered staying updated.

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>>158407460
Make sure they build stuff out of all different materials, for that extra ramshackle look.

Also i like having death islands around my fort with drawbridges, that way they get trapped and starve to death.

>>158476685
Don't forget that hospitals should be made into locations, in order to be consistent with the new location system. That way we could assign hospital staff the same way we assign entertainers and scholars.

Also:
>priest occupations in player temples when?

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>>158476909
mmm, yeah, that sounds really good if you make doctors scheduled to be there or not. I dont want to have 20 people burrowed constantly in a zone, but I sure want some medics to be close when someone is injured

also, pic related (bottom part) combined with this, and you have some more realistic health system

>>158476685
Toady really should focus these kind of things and ergonomics instead on making magic that'll just break everything

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>>158479436
>he doesn't want to play as worms in an intestine

>>158475925
>You have died of a gut rotting syndrome.

>>158479860
>He wants to play a game where you can have all dwarves being doctors, and if none want to go heal your king he'll die inevitably

>>158480427
>he doesn't want to play a game as a colony of doctors in a worm's intestine

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>>158480579
>He wants to play a game where/---/your king/---/die[s] inevitably
who doesn't

>>158469506
What suggestion?

Any tips on efficient fortress design to maximize FPS and pathfinding efficiency? I'm trying to get away from the 3x3 central staircase layout over 10-11 z-levels that I've been using for the last several years and am finding it hard to break that habit and come up with other designs that I don't hate.

>>158481831
I swear to god that when the ss update kicks in, and we have more systems of government in the game, we'll be flooded by anarchists like you

>>158482176
I meant to respond to >>158468034

So, I was writing some medical suggestion
What is your stance on being able to sew something inside/to someone's skin?
Like, full underskin amulets with antibacterial metals, or sewing someone to another person/a tree/ a cow, while they sleep?
Whatcha think /dfg/?

>>158482329
I, for one, will strive to create a communist utopia for my dwarves where the means of production benefits all citizens equally. A society where quality housing, healthcare, clothing, food, booze, luxuries, security, employment, etc are all provided by the government which only exists to ensure that all citizens' needs are met.

>>158482889
>Communism is achieved by drunk virtual maniacs before real humans
Please, Im not kidding, when the update happens, if you keep lurking, please post yourself communizacing your world
>>158482772
It would basically work with an non-combat action interaction menu, with every action you can do to another people
You could waste thread if your skill is low, his wound could remain slightly opened(levels of quality) and have a chance to get infected
And all sort of interesting things
The cool stuff would be the repercussions (Horse sprinting with guy sewed from his crotch to his mouth), like making a bridge out of human people sewed out, or things like that

>>158482234
Building in a tight radius around a central staircase is the most efficient way build. 3x3 might be a bit big depending on your pop cap, but your design probably doesn't need to change much.

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>>158483604
>using the multiple z-levels exploit

>>158484285
>laugh at yourself

more like lay awake in bed at night cringing and wanting to kill myself

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>>158484285

>>158481131
I was making an Oregon Trail joke.

>>158480427
just what the game needed, more weird deaths

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Brump

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5 pages of this shit and he wasn't even hit once.

>>158391649
What the fuck, how can you even tell what that is?

>>158490808
It looks like a typical tent used by squads travelling on the world map. Inside, there are a few gobbo corpses, and you can guess the rest from there.

Can you find prisoners in places other than goblin sites?

It seems there is a demon prisoner in a human hamlet, and I wanted to see if I could help him escape and join me, but I checked the mead hall and the houses and I haven't found him.

I did find a goblin slave that was an ex-civ leader though

>>158492190
They don't get stored right when they're kidnapped in non-dark pit/fortress sites.

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>>158429208
>budget cao cao poster
Thanks anon, I really look up to being him when I grow up.

>>158490501
Something happened to it or it wouldn't be retching and vomiting.

Is there any way to launch Masterwork without DFHack? Seems to fuck up my embark if it's larger than 3x3, disabling all plugins didn't help either.

At least I think it's DFHack, if it isn't I have no idea what it may be.

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>>158496921
>Masterwork

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>>158496921
>Mastershit

>>158493481
Well, I've checked with DFhack and I found nothing, I've also exported legends again to see if he somehow escaped or went to another place while I was travelling to the hamlet, but it seems he's still there.

Maybe he's in the hamlet fields.

>>158496921
No. MasturShit requires DFHack.

>>158499257
>>158497697
>>158498130
>Implying there's anything wrong with Masterwork.

>>158499989
What's the problem with 3x3 staircases again?

>>158500140
they look like shit

>>158500246
What's the best alternative then?

>>158500306
Spiral rampcases.

>>158500306
creative solutions that depend on the particular layout of the rest of the fort

the 3x3 is a shitty one-size-fits-all solution that stands in the way of creativity

>>158500805
This too.

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RIP bote

Dem dorfs man, dem dorfs.

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Toady on the right.

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I've made a mistake.

>>158509521
why would you do this?

>>158509521
Have you generated any other neat worlds with advanced parameters that arent mistakes?

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>>158513001
I mean, I like this one.

>>158513147
Dope

>>158513147
I dunno, I think this one came out better cause of all the shit going on: >>158422467

>>158514178
That map is pretty ugly dude I'm not gonna lie.

go away page ten

>>158514360
So much nonsense going on though, it's not aesthetically gorgeous like some maps, but it's fun to explore.

Did something fuck up with axes or the woodcutting labor, cause I assigned a dorf to cut wood and there's a spare copper battleaxe lying around and the dwarf just sits there idling

>>158516663
Maybe try forbidding the axe, unpausing, and then unforbidding it?

>>158516663
Is he assigned to mining?

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>Want to get into game
>Want to use ascii
>Look up stuff on youtube
>"Part 1: How to install graphics"
>"Episode 3: GRAPHICS UPDATE!"

uh

u-uuhhhh

>>158518665
Why are you looking up how to install graphics if you want to use ascii

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>>158518817
I'm just looking up starting tutorials

>>158518817
It's hard to know what character are what when you're using a tilepack so when people do it in videos you gave no clue what's going on

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>>158519208
You can do it senpai. Download the game, run the exe, it uses ASCII by default. are you trying to change the tileset? trying to find a legend?

>>158518665
>defaulting to youtube
Calm those tits nigga, and please read the OP.

>>158519971
>Please read the OP
Well I feel like an idiot, I should have gone there first

>>158520909
You'll do alright mango. Just be prepared not to understand dick or shit for a while.

>>158516663
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=1451

>>158518665
Sitrep,

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>>158526631
>posts a sitrep
>doesn't actually give a report after the comma
IT'S LIKE YOU ARE MAD AT ME OR SOMETHING

>>158529121
I was asking for one, and hit the wrong keys.

>>158529121
Oh thanks, now I'm crying

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>>158531928
inorite

>>158523560
That is a ridiculous amount of bullshit to go through to use a fucking axe at the start

wait so I have my carpenter shop and I que'd 7 beds to be made, how exactly do I get one of my idle dwarfs to start building?

>>158532774
nevermind, figured out how to set jobs

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I guess it's reasonable that the outpost liaison would be more up to date on politics than folks who stay put all the time, but this seems a bit much.

>>158532774
Assign carpentry labor to one of them.

>>158533857
Might have updated right then, or it could be two different sub-groups?

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>>158533857
>>158533995
Nope, apparently everyone except him knows what's going on.

>>158529121
;_;

>>158499989
desu senpai, you could have said the same about masterwork, aquifers, shit, rape, botes, politics, threetoe, Toady coding abilities, the forums, the sjw, meph, Isis, Toady's ability to get a gf, economy in-game, and so on

We are a relaxed and welcoming but close-minded community

>Just started today
>Doing pretty well
>Just got a farm set up
>Pretty nice base in the side of a mountain
>Settlers arive
>Suddenly a fucking otterman charges at the child and shatters his fucking brain on impact
>Game crashes
>Save gone

fuck

Why is it that when I visit my retired fortress with an adventurer the citizens of my fortress respond to things like "Tell me about your family" with "I'd rather not say" and "Tell me about the surrounding area" with "Ask me when I've returned to my home!"? The NPCs in the fortress my adventurer started in acted normally, responding with either "I have no family to speak of" or "My wife is [Urist Mcwife]. She married me in 2." or whatnot. It's just the citizens of my retired fort who are acting strange.

>>158540891
it's because you molested your dorfs and now they have ptsd

jk it's because toady is the best programmer ever

So when gearing up military, on the equipment screen there's replace clothing and over clothing. Which one is in action when the text is displayed? If I have replace clothing highlighted, do they wear only armor? If i switch it to over clothing, do they put clothes on over armor, or the other way around? Is there a way to set it up to have maximum cover/armor?

hey /dfg/, how do you feel about combat with multi-tile creatures, once all the combat is rewritten to understand them
>Dragon so big you can only atack his feet and wait he bites you, so you dodge and stab his head
>Sprint and jump from a cliff upwards so you stab him in the chest
>He so big you only pierce the first tile of his body, that's only pure skin (3x3 metres ocupied solely by skin)
>He starts moving and wiggling, but your strenght is high, so you remain lodged there
>Use new holding/climbing mechanics to start climbing his body using 2 large copper daggers. Do it with a 'cautious' modifier for fear of falling and tumble to the mountains feet (dem new toppeling mechanics)
>Sever chunks of skin and muscle, that phisically fall to the ground, just to damage him(you are so small, you cant even sever a complete body part
>Keep going in his chest until you pierce the stomach and fall in
>Everything that takes contact with the beast's acids gets digested instantly, including you
>drop salt in there
>dragons in this universe are alergic to salt
>You get throwed up away and the dragon suffers an anaphylactic shock
>Get named 'the Great Warrior' by the peasants, thanks to the new sarcasm update to sentients

>>158540361
>go to DF folder
>open data folder
>open init folder
>open d_init
>change [AUTOSAVE:NONE] to [AUTOSAVE:SEASONAL]

Then you'll lose far less if crashes happen.

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>>158542897
yeah sure, more like
>shoot him with a crossbow once
>the flying bolt strikes the great dragon in the head, tearing apart the skin, muscle, brain
>an artery has been torn!
>the great dragon has been struck down

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>mfw I let my fort run in the background when doing other things on my computer, and when I return everything's gone to shit

>>158543013
thanks for the tip

>>158544049
>letting dwarves do things without constant supervision
That's like giving a toddler a loaded gun, anon.

Why is everyone in dfg so nice?

>This mod adds Necrothreaders, High Lord Threadomancers, Haxxors, L33t Gamerz, Lolcats, name changes such as forumites, laptops that shoot signatures, reindeer cavalry, chainsaws, drills, politicians, energy drinks, ak 47s and more things that aid in the creating of a !!FUN!! fortress. For the full experience, play next to a necro tower.
>a sizeable portion of the internet is still stuck in the pre-ironic era of memes when we're well past the post-ironic era

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>>158544967
fuck off

>>158545502
Which mod? When was it released?