/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

>>158695508
fuck boats and botefags

>>158695752
That's just mean, ninedots christened boteanon.

Third for cutebolds!

>>158695961
ninedots is a faggot enabler, and also a faggot himself.

Just a reminder that, soon, dwarves with some fire magic will REMOVE ELF.

>>158696080
>angery

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>>158696080
You got too much mad there fren.

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>>158698214
Fun fact, she was asleep when she named it.

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Goddamn bonecrafters wasting my life.

Guys, I keep changing my mind on fort layout and feel I need to restart. Do you guys end up dividing your forts into 2 or more areas areas, one for close to the surface trading + surface defense, and one down deeper for deep dwarf resting, mining, cooking, etc?

>>158703050
I build ten separate forts that are closed off from eachother, and have trade between themselves.

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>finally git gud enough to have a self sufficient fort
>a few years go by with no caravans from the mountainhome
>google "no outpost liason? how curious.. "
>mfw I embarked with an extinct society

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>>158704985
now you get to be king

>>158699775
I've heard of talking in your sleep, but this?

>>158706923
DEEP MINES
DEEP DREAMS

>>158704985
>rape face
Damn right, you get hyped to be the last bastion of dwarf society

Organic cliff-face lake-side fishing fort is fun.

I'm trying to constantly think ahead and have a little bit prepared for any eventuality, as I've found that makes a fortress far more robust. What are some areas that I might be overlooking?

>>158710351
Magma.

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>lose a fort to save corruption a month ago
>still haven't found the willpower to start a new one

It was just so. So perfect. So pure.

>>158712164
This is why you keep back ups, friend. A small 4gb USB can hold tonsss

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>werebeast parchment quires
>demon parchment scrolls
>fucking mega-angel parchment scrolls
Goddamn librarians are hardcore.

>>158710191
rape face? what's it from?

You and I both know that all of those dead beasts were killed by a dwarven baby and/or cat in the year 98. That librarian didn't do shit except sit on his ass and think about masterpiece mechanisms.

>4 hours
>14 posters
>23 replies

At this point we could probably safely integrate into /rlg/

is it possible for one of my visitors to be a vampire?

>>158714523
http://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=21403

>>158714990
Absolutely.

>>158714649
Never.

>>158715134
the fact that you would recognize that is a little bit worrying. are you ok anon?

>>158714649
Calm down, it's just a quiet time of the day. And most of us are just lurking.

>>158714649
>>158715419
Another lurker reporting in for duty.

>>158715370
Perfectly fine. Well, tired as balls, but that's beside the point.
It's not that I recognized that exact picture, per se, but the artist in question has a distinctive way of drawing minotaur.
Two words in a search bar, and there was a concise list of images to pick the source out from.

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>>158714649
>>158715482
>>158715419
hai hai, lurker desu

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>>158714530
True, still funny.

Also did a bit of science since I remembered dfhack is mostly functional and figured out that there is actually a legendary protector of the weak fame level but I have no idea what you gotta do to hit it normally, I sat there telling this guy about like half a dozen cases of "I slew many foes" and multiple piles of names which were all bandits and the value was at 6 in my history.figures[my id].reputation.wanted[civ I was bragging to].unk2 or some shit, the third entry in the lists.

Setting them to 100 did this.

>>158717013
Neat. Do you get any unique dialog from the plebians?

>>158628476
>the update was like 4 months ago and I still haven't played DF because I don't play without Dwarf Therapist
>Surely you can perceive whose fault is that, right?

I'm going to go with Toadys for not fixing the fundamental problems with DF after 10 years. Labor isn't a "oh well its a complicated game" problem. It's a fucking shitshow that is barely usable and should have been the priority 5 years ago.

>>158717959
Seems to be the same stuff so far, I'll check when I get to another area I set the fame to max in.

>>158718086
You can use the alpha-dfhack labormanager to streamline labor!

>>158718086
>labor
>barely usable

Being a little generous there, honestly.

>>158720938
Yeah I'm convinced the anti-rapist shitposters are meming. Either that or they're autistic enough to enjoy the tedium.

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damn I'm tired of my military doing all they can to drown
first three people decide to spar near a well and all of them drown
then two more run outside to fight whatever and drown in the nearby river
god

>>158721324
I think you've convinced yourself that therapist is better than it is. It saves you maybe 20 minutes in a typical 4 hour or so play session.

>>158721512
my military is training away right now but my fort is near a lake so I'm about to try an aquatic danger room to train some swimming

>>158721324
But why would anyone use rapist? dfhack is objectively superior.

It has a labors table just like the rapist does, but it's in-game.

And if you don't want to manage your labors, it can automate them.

>>158721807
rapist has tables which tell you who's the best fit for a job based on their attributes and values
very important for scholars and doctors

>>158721978
Yeah so you obviously don't want to get to know your dorfs, so why don't you just automate that shit with dfhack?

It's objectively the better solution for casual players like you. No autism, no tedium, no micromanaging, no problem.

>>158722080
uhh but you can't automate scholars with dfhack?
I use the ingame labor menus but therapist is good if I ever need something more advanced than changing a few job preferences
why are you even trying to start shit like this

>>158722237
>why are you even trying to start shit like this
mostly because im just as bored as you are

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>>158722538
have you tried making a fort where you eventually enlist every dwarf into the military
you also have to craft each one of them full masterwork equipment
you could also turn off all announcements, disable pause and make a script that presses a and esc once in a while to turn off liaison messages
then leave the game to run while you sleep
making the preparations is fun

>>158722893
i actually like forts that don't have any military at all
it's fun to build dorven contraptions to deal with threats

like say you get a forgotten beast
you cant simply send your military to kill it and call it a day
so your only option is to over-engineer something dorfy
like a trap chamber where you try to knock it down with caveins if you somehow manage to lure it in
or magma pumpstack with a side reservoir above it to burn everything in that cave layer
then you also have to design a magma drain when half of your cave is full of unwanted red sevens
its fun

I'm planning on making a fort based on the idea that there is a rigid class system. In other words I want to make the majority of dwarves live in slums on the surface while the opulent get their own personal dining halls below. If all goes well the underclass will literally eat the rich.
Any suggestions I could incorporate into this idea?

>>158723384
I don't know, dude, I usually have like 30 military dwarves and 5 non-military ones. I have no idea what to do with too much people around. If I never had any military, I'd just disable migrants entirely and live off of my starting dwarves.
Wouldn't the best idea be making a long hallway with a bridge in it and just retract the bridge when the enemy is on top of it to make him fall onto whatever danger is below?

>>158723659
half the challenge is designing a fort that doesnt lag too much with 300+ dorfs milling around

the other half is figuring out something crazy to do with them

>>158723760
I can't bear when my fps drops below 100. I have max fps set to 300 and everything happens almost instantly when it holds, but 2 years in even with just 40 people around on a very small burrow with no pets I have to endure 100 fps and it hurts.

So I had a troll captured recently, and thought it would be good idea to trade him away to the dwarven caravan since I had no idea what I should use him for. So i selected him to bring up, and shortly after I got a message saying 'urist McChickenEggCollector stopped egg gathering: interrupted by a troll'. Panicking, I went down to see what the damage was turning out to be, and the troll was dead from a non-military dwarf. I thought trolls were supposed to be challenging?

>>158723991
I actually don't mind things going down to like 15-30. It's kind of neat to do things like follow someone around and see what they do with their day, or just watch the tavern.

Once it's sub-10 though, time to retire.

>>158723991
>I can't bear when my fps drops below 100

I really don't understand this sort of mindset; I have my FPS capped at 60 and 30. >>158724402 knows where it's at, though I've yet to experience FPS consistently dropping below a level where I think it's too slow so I don't know if 9 FPS would be trouble or not.

>>158727027
I also have my FPS capped at 50.

100 is way too fast for comfy and I don't like the game getting slower all the time, it ruins your perception of time.

Plump

>>158695752
>>158696080
No, u shut up

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>>158727618
Where do you get off, posting things like that at me?

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>>158728736

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>>158716247
>hai hai
moshi moshi*
Step up your weeaboo game senpai, Or I'll chew ur ass

>>158718086
You are the one that plays with a crutch
Most of us don't need a crutch to play the game
You are bad

>>158729034
Moshi moshi is a phrase that's only used for answering telephones.

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>>158729034

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I'm posting bote until toady adds botes and we can have real fishing in the game

>>158723613
Every noble-y dwarf will have masterful red clothes
With the symbol and name of your fort lodged
Bonus points for making the name a tyrant motto like '' The chosen ones''
The peasants will be naked full time, and their clothes will be sold
All noble-ys dwarves should be scholars, doctors ore other good professions
Peasants are productors and medium soldiers
Great hole on the ground up to the magma where you sacrifiice peasants

>>158729396
Its a meme, it surpasses traditional barriers
>>158729560
Hey, I missed you bote-anon, pls answer dis>>158584739

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I'm posting shite until toady adds shite amd we can have real shitting in the game.

(it's just a fake, so don't ban me)

>>158729758
>literally shitposting

baka

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>>158729864

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>>158730323
I snorted laughter but that doesn't mean you're not a bad_ person

>>158730523
this
>>158730323
desu Im gonna save that pic

>>158729758
>>158730323
This doesn't feel right.

If i built individual rooms off of my barracks and assign them to the dwarves in my squads, do I need to have a chest in the barrack itself for dwarves to store their equipment correctly, assuming each of the individual rooms have a chest + cabinet and aren't assigned as part of the barracks itself?

>>158546438
please explain

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C-can I become one of your resident drawfags? I promise to get better.

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>Embark with a bunch of geese
>most are average geese
>one is skinny, butchered immediately
>one is very fat
>one is "incredibly muscular"
>start breeding to get the most muscular and fat geese
>tfw my geese in a few years

>>158712164
Finally get some free time to immerse into dorfz.
>Day 1, smack 10h into my fortress, get all the basics done, smelting, military, farms, population of ~150 fully roomed and tavern up and running.
>Day 2, another 10h of wars and fun, lots of dead goblins, smelting goblinite into steel baby.
>Day 3... crash ~3min after game load, crash every 2-10min after game load, crash, crash, crash, rip desire to play.

>>158732526
>boats
Welcome aboard!
We discuss boats here. Looking forward to more.

>>158732526
>those frowns
>that cheekbone
>That bird
Unless you change any of that, I'll be saving every drawing you post in a file called /dfg/ drawfags, with the files of 9dots and timbukdrew themselves
The only thing I need is a name

>>158732881
hmm, so genetics and selective breeding is properly implemented? thats really awesome!

>>158733897
>selective breeding
Yep
>Genetics
sorta. Somebody could explain it better than me
You get the ''If I breed two strong people I'll get strong babies'' But It really ends up there
There isn't any placeholder for interbreeding because proper genetics are not implemented, putted in simple

>trying to embark
>no anvil

hmm

>>158734027
>>158733897
The genetics in the game are really basic but if you breed two geese with "fat" genetics the goslings are more likely to be fat as well. There are also dominant and recessive genes that I know exist for hair color but I am not sure this applies to metabolism as well.

>>158734187
You can always hope that the first caravan brings one. Just make sure to make enough to buy it.

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Just saw last thread and loved to little dialog going on, and thought it would be fun to draw.

Also someone asked what I use to draw,
Pentel R.SV.P Bk90 pens, and I scan my images with a Scansnap s1300.

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Rip boat guy

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>>158735013
This one has all the Entente clumped together.

>>158732526
Yes!

>>158735132
botefags BTFO

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boates BTFO confirmed

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W-what is he going to add?!

>>158734404
yeah, It is kinda ok for the moment, but it isn't realistic
Theoretically, I could make an adventurer with some 'x' starting atributes, train it to super-everything, fix his default asexuality with dfhack, retire him at some previously abandoned fort, change to fort mode, burrow him with some preselected chick in a room with a year of supplies, wait some years, and bam
Their baby would be stronger than usual, because the game doesn't differentiate between genetics and atributes
Its the same reason egg-layers receive the tame status of their mother at the time his egg was layed upon

>>158736076
yeah, it's a long way from realistic genetics but it's one of those features most people don't really care about. I would rather have Toady work on other features instead of reworking the genetics system.

is for anyone else dwarf fortress the only reason you haven't killed yourself yet

Is there anything somewhat similar to the starter pack that's up to date?

I haven't played DF in about a year and that was the easiest thing to use at the time (I played it a good bit but in Dwarf Fortress terms just a scrub)

Mostly just wondering if I have to go manual mode or if there's a launcher/etc. that people are using

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>>158736515
no, fortunately. I'm so bad at it that if I were in such a mental state it would probably push me over the edge.

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>about 4 months into a new embark in the snow
>"Urist cancels eat: Horrified"
>game freezes
>"Your settlement has withered and died"

>>158736076
Attributes aren't heritable, though. The heritable traits are limited to cosmetic ones (hair color, eye color, nose shape, etc) and height and broadness modifiers. The latter affect how strong a creature is, but it's not the same thing as the strength attribute.

>>158729686
I stopped being hyped for anything since I pre-ordered spore. I only wish to bote arround in df

>>158729758
>>158729758
Sewers are a constant suggestion on the forums. I don't think toady will do it because there is probably a ponyfag that has scat fetish that will fart up the joint and create bad publicity

>>158739743
>pre-ordered spore
Now I understand your pain

>>158738847
welp, I thought it was, what do you know

>>158736297
I mean, not only is a very late game mechanic that most players cant perceive, but is also a I-dont-directly-affect-your-gameplay-but-I-do-mechanic
Still, having proper, definable (be it by raws or in-game menus) and interesting mechanics would be very rad, with interbreeding becoming non-rawifable and stuff

>>158739743
>Shit Man's Sky actually one up'd Spore

Truly the largest accomplishment of our time

>>158739743
You do realise that DF will eventually be what Spore could have been, right?

We already have creatures that work in essentially the same way, only without the drag and drop interface. Of course DF's handling of body tissues makes it far superior to Spore's creature system, though.

We also WILL get extraterrestial travel eventually. Fleshing out the scholarly professions will require that Toady adds celestial bodies for Astronomers to study, and the the alternative "planes" of the myth arc will provide a framework for actually loading different maps for different planets.

>>158740157
Never actually played that game.

I guess the biggest disappointment stemmed from how it was the first procedurally genned game aimed at the mainstream public. Since said public wasn't used to proc genned games, they thought that the game would actually have infinite content, which it of course didn't have.

Am I right?

>>158740157
>>158740123
Really spore made me biologically immune to hype and happiness ;_;.
>>158740394
>will
If toady gets his shit together. At least he has a patreon now and can't simply say "Awn it didn't work, I think I'm making Amok lll now "

>>158740596
>At least he has a patreon now and can't simply say "Awn it didn't work, I think I'm making Amok lll now "
I think he can. I might remember it all wtong, but unless I'm mistaken, he doesn't actually make any promises on the patreon page.

Of course, I don't really expect Toady to abandon his love child arbitrarily. He seems to like making the game even more than I do playing it, which says a lot considering how much I love playing it.

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>>158740596
>Patreon
>Toady gets 4.6k
>furfag artists exceed 20k

>>158740394
Dude, guy pre-ordered the game that's oficially THE biggest dissapoint in gaming history
Its like telling a holocaust survivour to place his head in the oven to look for a coin, he'll remain skeptic
Jokes apart, Spore was masacrated by EA, and the game has like 40% of the content that was thought. Even with that, the game became a hit in history

>>158740596
But yeah, relax, Its pretty imposible that Toady refuses to finish the game, its his child
And lets not forget that, talking about devs, Toady is still god-tier, in terms of managing the fanbase and consistent/logic work

Does walls block wind for windmills?

>>158741043
No, the only thing that matters is that the tiles the windmills stand on are outdoor. Constructions above them, that is. Also remember that a drawbridge will make the tiles beneath it indoor even when it's raised.

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>>158740497
Well what they promised and delivered weren't even rudimentary the same. What was promised as a complex life simulation became a mash-up of several I'd say "game concepts":
The cellular simulation became a pac man minigame. The next stage remembered a MMO-esque grind, where'd have your creature walk around and gather food and battle others.
Then there was a short tribal mode that was basically a Settler rehash. After that a rudimentary RTS clone and then Space mode. Which seemed like the core of it all.
Had some nice features like terraforming, exploration, diplomacy, but all in a very shallow manor. I don't even want to talk about the shitstain that was the Galactic Adventures addon where they offered like half a dozen repeating
mini-quests and expected the community to fill in the rest.

>>158741238
Hmm apparently there's no wind. Water wheels it is then.

I'd like to bring water and magma from z=-100 to z=-50. Using a river at z=0.

Yay/nay?

>>158741013
I hated how limited the interaction on the "civilisation" stage in Spore was. You basically had three choices:
>embrace capitalism
>become a religious fundamentalist
>become a fascist

And that was it. It was also painfully obvious that capitalism was intended to be the "lawful good", fundamentalism "lawful evil" and militarism "chaotic evil". Really made us think huh.

Fuck EA.

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>>158741238
this game has WINDMILLS?

>>158740123
>welp, I thought it was, what do you know
Let me hedge a little, it's a little grayer than I made it out to be.
There have been a bunch of eugenics/selective breeding experiments documented on bay12 over the years. None of them have ever demonstrated any connection between the parents' attributes and their offsprings'.
However, Toady once gave some comments in an interview indicating that he either believed attributes to be heritable or intended them to be. So it's possible that it's either an intended feature that isn't working, or that it is working and that any bonuses from high-attribute parents is too small to be distinguishable from the random attribute roll at the (admittedly small) sample sizes that have been used so far.
There could be other reasons it hasn't been observed beyond appearance modifiers. It's hard to be certain with such an opaque mechanic.

>>158742705
The game seems to differentiate between the "abstract" genetics of a given population, and the more "specific" genetics that come into play when the units are loaded.

This means that we don't need to breed children to test how the genetics work. We should just be able to visit two different sites in different civs in different parts of the world. For there, we check the attributes of a selection of non-hist figs from each site(I assume this is possible with DFHack). Then we check whether the mean values differ between different populations.

>>158740931
4.6k a month isnt that bad.

>some furfag porn artist making some shit game is getting over 20k a month

>>158741415
I was talking about No Man's Sky, not Spore.

>>158740931
welcome to patreon
>Guy with writing skills barely makes 2k
>Meanwhile guy writing fetish erotica is making 3x that

>>158741648
Yeah, I stopped buying anything from EA because of Spore, And fuck me if Im the only one that did

>>158742705
That's odd
Well, genetics should play a big factor on your atributes, but not only on setting your initial atributes to a certain extent, but they should also determine the cap your abilities should have, which is more signitificative
In the sense that, you need to have a certain affinity to something to be virtually able to get that good in your timeline
(Yeah, caps should be changed to Gain-too-little-exp-to-level-up)

>>158732881

Swole goose best goose

I've been having a lot of fun splattering elf traders against a platinum floored pit, then I sell all their stuff back to dwarves for steel. Is there ANY downside to doing this?

>>158748042
the elves will start a war against you

>>158748313
how many tree huggers will they send? my military is pretty big and I already fought off the goblins

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>play masterwork after a long absence from df
>wow they really bloated up the number of plants you need to search through
>retire and start a regular df instance
>mfw the bloat was vanilla

>>158740497
Nah, it wasn't people not being used to it or that it was weird and turned people away once they saw it

It was a steaming pile of dog shit where all advertisements and preview footage was faked, almost every single feature was lied about(everything from basic solar system dynamics being fake skyboxes when they were claimed to be functioning solar systems with the planets actually spinning etc., to fleets in space actually doing anything or existing at all for that matter), the ending that was described as amazing and super worth it was an absolute joke, and the biggest one of all - it was repeatedly said that it was a multiplayer game no matter how unlikely you were to find some one else. Turns out it was a single player game.

I haven't even played it and I know all this shit. That's how big of a fucked up lie that game was.

>>158750113
Wait, is that true? That's fucking outrageous.

If even the ads were fake, I guess there isn't any redeeming trait. At least the ads had some cool A E S T H E T I C S.

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>>158753474

>>158754061
This is a rare case of posting image but forgetting the text. I wanted to say "More like pic related"

Anyone got that image that has major updates listed on a timeline?

Been maybe a year or two since I played

How do you make different species playable in adventure mode?

I've been trying to make Bronze Colossuses playable, and I've been looking around the internet for a guide but nothing is working.

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>>158746398
All this spore talk has me triggered to the max. I was already pissed because of C&C.

>>158759382
Fuck man that reminds me of that lord of the rings rts game i played a shitton as a kid. God, what I wouldn't do for a new game or even a decent remake of that.

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>>158759382
Will they ever get their hands on the Toad? Or will Seattle's brave village champion resist their temptations?

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>>158753748
Goddammit.

>>158760472
>makes awesome parkour playground of death
>gets mad when they play on it

>>158760242
We will march on their hq and burn it to the ground if they try.

>>158760709
No survivors

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>>158760472
This his her second go, last time she climbed around the other side.

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I was being an adventurer and was decked out in some cool gear, but when I went to a dwarven city I was instead met with a small army of goblins. I tried my best to run while throwing stones at them, killing a few, but sadly one shot an arrow straight at my leg. Crippled, I was unable to run and soon met my inevitable fate...

>>158764141
Cool :D

>>158764141
sounds sketchy in a few places. are you sure that you're not making this up?

>>158748621
Apparently elven sieges are no joke, but I've never experienced one to confirm. Probably not going to be much threat for a competent military though.

>>158768247
I had one in 0.40. For some reason, it said "ambush", but the size said siege.

The elves, being armed with wooden weapons and armour, could hardly do anything against my militia. The newly added joint damage might have made them slightly more dangerous. However, some of them rode on grizzly bears, and one of those managed to kill one of my legendaries. Joint damage probably made grizzlies even more dangerous.

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>>158764464
May have been bandits too.

>>158764464
I hope I'm not. Then I'd be lying to myself, friend

Is wax as useless as the wiki says it is? From what I can gather you can just make crafts with it.

>>158760242
>altered trajectory of gameplay
>gameplay

lmao

how do I play adventure mode?

>>158776887
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Adventure_mode_quick_start

>>158777516
reee

how do i check if the world of my fortress has necromancers?

how do I get rid of long-term renters? I accidentally accepted a petition I didn't want

>>158781994
'accidents' involving a dwarven atom smasher

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My embark is split by a lake. I have a deep tunnel underneath(that also branches into the catacombs), but the silver bridge decorated with platinum statues of the gods isn't finished yet.

I assumed that caravans would arrive from the woodland biome location, not the mountain biome, so I put my Depot over there. Sure enough, the first Caravan arrives and the wagons bypass my inaccessible site. I had nothing real to trade anyway.

Next year arrives, and I've got a Depot on either side of the lake now. Caravan arrives, and I task the dwarves to move all the bolts and ammunition they requested to the Trade Depot. Then... without announcement or noise, the entire Caravan never arrives at the depot(just the diplomat). I scan the map and the unit list, and there's no dead, missing, or other caravan related units. I check reports and there is nothing. I start scanning my dwarf thoughts for SOME sign of what happened.

Again, nothing, until I come across a single report:
"He was horrified after witnessing the loss of a wagon. He was horrified after witnessing the loss of a caravan guard" I've never deconstructed my own wagon, it's still there.

I was disappointed with the loss of the ability to trade. I'm also worried that this will impact future trade options. But then: A vile force of darkness has arrived! It looks like a healthy stack of goblins on my border. I order the squads into action, and wait, eager to see how one of my most successful early militia will perform and perhaps even a chance to test my well stocked hospital.

And then nothing. They never show. Vanished just like the caravan. Some spooky stuff man.

>It's a perfectly flat open path from edge of map to Depot(outside)/Fortress entrance
>Biome is extremely harmless, there are only 7 storks on the map, nothing to scare them/fight etc.
>I'm using no traps or bridges or doors or anything, just walk right in
>Migrant wave 1402342304 of 12349bil babies has arrived just fine

pic related

>Flame titan dives into murky pool, evaporates all the water, gets stuck

how does somebody unironically post this as a bug

>>158784106
Urist they clearly got lost. A wagon can't simply disappear. What? Lake spirits! Haha good one urist, that doesn't make any sense, we are living the age of the dwarf, there is no such thing as magic and spirits!

>>158784106
Some of the caravan may have drowned causing the others to leave, maybe check underwater for corpses. The siege however probably just got bored because they couldnt see anything to kill. I suggest adding roads for your traders and if you want the invaders you can try placing cats in radiating paths from your entrance.

>>158784106
Carefully check area near edges of the map, if caravan was destroyed, then you can find all the loot there.

What do you guys usually spend your spare points on? I've got around 400 left over after buying the basics.

>>158759382
>pandemic
>visceral
those ones hurt the most.

>>158791247
Animals and food/drink/seeds.

>>158791247
I usually bring a pair of alpacas for their milk and wool, maybe some starting weapons then with the rest I buy as much alchohol/food as possible as I often start my farms late due to complex irrigation.

Anyone else mod to play as Humans? I think the theme gives its own unique challenge.

My problem comes from being able to contain growth. The whole Above-Ground Settlement thing ramps up massively because the more homes you build the greater wealth you're worth giving more migrants which need more homes.

>>158792286
RIP CORROSION MOD. It was one of the best DF mods ever.

What should I do when I've been sitting on a pile of iron/steel for a year without having a single smelter/blacksmith etc?

Should I just reassign someone who's not so useful and be done with it or wait for more migrants?

>>158794410
Depends on how safe you're feeling. If your surroundings are pretty dangerous I'd reassign a less useful dwarf to get a headstart on producing weapons and armor so that when you do get more migrants you can jump right into building your military.

>>158794410
why would you even embark without an experienced blacksmith
leveling up furnace operators is a nightmare, they're so slow at first

>>158732526
>fucking nerdroid

>>158800954
you best not be talking shit about nedroid motherfucker

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>>158732526
Keep arting for us, and you're welcome to.

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>>158800954
>He doesn't like nedroid

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Is this workshop block going to fuck with pathing too badly?

How do you handle fire-breathers best? My militia blocked the direct damage with their wooden shields just fine, but everything around them was on fire. It was nice to get rid of a lot of useless pets I couldn't butcher, but I kinda wanted everything else and smoke -> dizzy -> pale -> Passed out until some brush fire kills you is a pretty lame way to go if you've just cleaved through some scale and chitin to kill a Titan.

>>158806942
Fire imps have killed more of my dwarves than anything else. I foolishly get the idea to embark on a volcano then don't want to spend the first year rushing stone blocks out to block the top, so imps will spawn then wander out and light everything up.

Can't even send military to deal with them because they just light the environment on fire causing the militia to walk through and turn into !!Dwarves!!

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>play DF for the first time in a few years
>have to consult the wiki for new shit/remember old shit, but having a good time
>fort progressing slowly but things are going well
>after two waves of migrants, I'm at 15 dwarfs
>everyone is useful, everyone has a nice bedroom, everyone has enough booze to maintain a solid buzz
>next migrant wave comes
>I'm at 47 dwarfs now, most of the new arrivals have just 'adequate' skill in their field
>which is mostly things like potash making and milking

Why is this allowed? I feel like I'm playing Germany Simulator all of a sudden. I don't even have metal yet, so I don't even have any picks to give them.

>>158809735
Frogposters please go

>>158791734
I didn't expect /dfg/ to have posters as young as you. The companies on the bottom never made anything significant.

The worst losses are Origin, Westwood, Bullfrog and Maxis.

>>158811428
fuck off faggot.

>>158811595
I'm sorry if I offended you with the truth.

>>158811428
>tfw you remember not being able to play wing commander or C&C but being pretty content with CYAC and X-com

>>158812725
Oh, the kid is frogposter. I am not surprised.

>>158810119
Frogposter? Is posting pepe a bad thing now? Since when and why??

>fort going well
>all of a sudden 3 vampires
oh fucking boy time to rotate these fuckers in and out of their bedrooms until I find the culprits

>>158813996
Since always. Pepe and feels guy are the two worst memes on the site right now, and they're that much worse now that they're attached to /pol/ by the hip

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>>158815182
You best fucking run boy before I slap your shit

>>158815182
>feels guy
anon, I have some bad news
you're retarded

>>158815182
>Pepe and "feels guy" are bad memes
>Doesn't know "feels guy"'s name
and worst of all
>muh /pol/ bogeyman
I always knew /dfg/ was autistic but jesus.

>>158815785
Well would you look at this 15-year old mememaster!

I'll let you in on a secret, it was simply called tfw/feels guy for years before some faggot wanted internet fame.

And yeah, /pol/ is by far the most cancerous entry on the normie/trash/containment board list.

>>158743521
Fek is making over 20k a month? Holy shit.

To be fair to the guy though, he's making a labor of love, updates regularly, and is gonna release the game for free.

Shame it looks like shit, but you gotta respect the ethic.

>>158818425
Agreed.
I mean, I wouldn't support shit like that ever, but it's cool that they're making a living off it.

>>158811428
>>158813410
I'm not that guy, but you are indeed a faggot. Not because of your taste, which is decent, but because of your shitty writing style and needlessly condescending attitude. Try to do better in the future.

how highly do you guys customize your stockpiles? I'm reading through the SP guide on the wiki and it's kind of overwhelming. I get that certain shops benefit from each other, but trying to set up my fort to have shops and SPs working in unison, while also keeping things close together is kind of overwhelming. For instance, I usually have a farm/turkey pasture on the level below the surface since that usually has soil. I then have my kitchen next to my main dining/meeting area, which is usually 3-4 levels below that. should I have my loom/clothiers shop on that level as well? And I usually put my first butcher shop on the level, but then the food has to travel 3-4 levels down to the kitchen. How do you guys minimize distance between these shops?

>>158815182
fuck off back to Bay12 or reddit, faggot.

>>158819927
All I do is put workshops near the stockpile that has what they need, but that's pretty inefficient.

If I have workshops that are far away from their main stockpile (magma stuff, usually, until I get pumping going) I'll stick a little 2x3 stockpile next to it and tell them to draw from the main one.

I wouldn't stress about it too much unless you play with a small number of dwarves, you'll have enough useless shits around that hauling shouldn't be a huge problem.

>>158819927
Most of my customization relies on linkages.
The few I manually tool are Food and Bar/Blocks, for divvying seeds, drinks, oils, general ingredients, and meals into their respective locations, as well as making sure input ores, fuel, and output ingots and output blocks all go to their proper places.

>>158817825
Your a big guy xd

>>158806249
this isn't dungeon keeper, anon.
>fuck with pathing
everything will fuck with pathing eventually, but that one is going to be especially bad because:

> 3x3 up/down stair
> dwarves trying to get to the corner workshops
> stockpile refilling items going in will choke on the single tile doorways
> items going out will choke up even more on those single tile doors
> dwarves with moods that fail will require more blocks to close in

>>158817825
>it was simply called tfw/feels guy
how new are you?

>>158819927
I almost never build stockpiles. Workshops store lots of items before they get cluttered, and effectively contain everything in a neat 3x3 multi-purpose space without need for bins or other extra containers. Since I'm not building anything to simply store it in a stockpile, everything I make all gets placed as furniture, worn, or output to another workshop or the trade depot. The only times I use stockpiles are simple.

>1. Food stockpiles
>2. Minecart transportation long distances, mostly with stone
>3. Noble McUrist just put a ban on exporting <useless but highly requested figurines> that are piled mountain high on the trade depot and I've got to remember to not trade them away

Even with this simplification, arrangement of the fortress for hyper efficiency is a very hard problem. Just give up on it. Build the fortress organically.

>>158820846
I don't know this pathing thing. What are things to avoid?
Do you want to avoid having multiple routes? Why are corner workshops going to be a problem.

>>158820127
>>158820149
>>158821439
thanks anons, I'll do what I can to make it faster, but I won't stress about it.

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>>158821380
It's possible they didn't know it came to be called Wojak, but the use of tfw suggests otherwise.

Page 9 plump

Last plump

If it dies now it's dead

I don't have to add column supports to keep my upper tower floors up, right? I don't want to spend time setting them up if they don't do anything.

>>158827785

Filthy necromancer, go build your tower over the next yonder

>>158828046
Anon, it's just archery towers and above-ground barracks so my dwarves don't paint the ground brown with their battle cries. I promise.

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>>158828157
Uh huh.

But no, as long as there's one tile touching the tile below it you're good for a certain area, not sure about the exact dimensions.

>>158828467
Great thanks, my not-dead dwarves will be happy to know the roof won't collapse on them when they're tanning hides and shooting reanimated dead.

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>a single errand boy who didn't get enlisted as a soldier in a fort composed entirely of strong military men
>cooks, brews and operates machinery, also serves as a cute girly cumdumpster for the rest of the men and really likes it
>mfw I just fapped to dwarf fortress

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>>158828983
Dude. Come on.

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>>158828983
>meme center

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>>158828983
I'm with >>158829006 here brah, that's just unsettling, I mean, good for you and all... but dang.

>>158828467
Any dimensions are fine as long as there is any support, the whole upper portion of the structure in this camp is supported by a single pillar.

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>>158829397
Fuck, thought it went all the way up to the spiral, forgot I hadn't done that yet since I was waiting for it to fill.

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>>158829397
Pic related kind of tripped me out.

Thanks for the info on that, I assumed if tiles got far enough away they'd fall off. That's a tower spiral, how long have you been working on it?

>>158829970
>that's a tower spiral

I'm a gay retard. I meant to say "that's a nice tower."

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When using the rapist, how come my dwarves' jobs reset after I re-read them? See pic, yes I did click 'apply changes'.

One of my dwarves turns into a werebison every so often and kills everything on sight. I've had her confine herself to a sealed off, self-built dungeon below the fortress. She hasn't had anything to eat or drink in years.

Is there someway I can drop down things for her through a hole?

>>158831262
Channel 1 tile into her chambers, des(i)gnate it as a dumping zone, assign food/clothes to be dumped

Be sure to create a pitfall trap that dumps gobbos and necromancers in there with her to make it a real 1990's dungeon crawl

>>158831040
Did you forget to turn automatic job assignment off?

>>158832119
That was it, I was looking for that thing for the longest time thinking it was a button. Cheers!

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How is this a thing? A goblin?

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>>158832598

>>158832667
Ahh it all makes sense now.

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>>158832667

Why didn't they listen?

The quick start guide should really recommend trading for flux if you haven't found any.

My location has a flux layer, but I've been digging all over the place with no luck.

>>158833836
I use DF hacks 'prospect all' to verify I actually get iron ore, it's saved me from disappointment on more than 1 occasion.

>>158833961

I have a ridiculous amount of iron. Coal, too. And platinum. And expensive gems.

But no flux so far.

>7 years without a siege

I'm crafting and engraving like crazy to get value up but nothing happens.

Also seized every elven caravan that stopped by

>>158834150
>year 3
>undead goblin necro siege
>42 strong and wearing bronze or iron wielding iron or steel

I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to handle this. I'm also cursing myself for training SPEARDWARVES with COPPER SPEARS

like why did I do that

>>158830039
They can take weeks or more in game, but it's easier when you can access the caverns, still 1 hour per log unless you get a bunch of buddies to help.

Is there anything that isn't out of date? Looking to get back into this but it's been awhile. In particular I don't feel like playing without Therapist

>>158695508
all my dwarves have negative stress levels in the tens of thousands and read as "fine". I don't understand why they are so grouchy, they have booze, water, bedrooms, a legendary meeting hall, the majority of their thoughts are positive and the only things I see that are negative are "hasn't prayed lately"

Is there some new mechanic I haven't heard about? I know there are taverns now but i can't find them on the build menu.

>>158834797
peircing damage is super effective against most things with internal organs.

>>158835487
also they are a little bored with old booze

>Create new squad

>Name of squad is Tunnel Snakes

geez i wonderwhat games toady has been playing

>>158836846
thats completely random, isn't it? sure its not a sign from Armok?

oh, also I just read that negative stress levels are GOOD, not bad.

>>158828983
I mean, it could technically be canon right? With the game having homosexuals and such, but sorry, one night stands are not really in the game
And misterious white substance neither

I got 80 bedrooms and all my mason has to work with is dolomite, which is a flux stone.

I don't want to waste my flux on furniture.

>>158828983
ewww, gay midgets

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>mfw checking out the new manager options for the first time

>>158717013
>Angelbeard the Brutal Sickness
please tell me that was pure RNG and you didn't pick it out

>>158748313
How is that a downside?

>>158768247
They used to be srs bsns back in 34.11 when bows and crossbows were essentially railguns and a wooden arrow could punch straight through steel plate. At the moment the easiest way to deal with them is to just sit behind fortifications and pepper them with bolts, because steel-clad crossbowmen are immune to silly wooden arrows. But yeah, bears are still no joke.

>>158749664
i kinna feel you bro.

DF could use some serious optimization.

>>158827483
just forage in the caverns, turn herbalism on.

bros, I gambled and lost my latest fort.

Things were going well, I had a complete mini fort going on in the massive three layer space I prepared for my entrance hall to my actual fortress.

I dug through 2 cavern layers in search of metal ore. I assumed my lack of wealth would not wake a forgotten beast so soon.

But no, there it was, a giant crawling spider-like creature made of fucking cryolite.

All I had were ten rookie marksdwafs with wooden bolts. Also only metal bolts were set to Combat, so they were doomed from the start as I had no metal bolts...

1 nano second after unpausing after the Forgotten Beast announcement, the whole fortress was covered in webs. Like a lot of fucking webs, this thing was serious. Within seconds it killed 50 out of my 60+ dwarfs.

On it's way up to the surface it even fought with a Giant Cave Spider, which put up a good fight, but was ultimately killed :(

In the end, only 6 Dwarfs remained. 5 in the hospital, unnoticed by the beast, and one child playing in the food stockpile, whist the beast was destroying furniture in the dining hall next to it.

I watched and waited for the child to leave the stockpile, become webbed and killed in an instant.

>>158845573
Reimbark with a group of 7 fighter dwarves and try to reclaim your fort. If they die, pass the task onto an adventurer. The beast which brought ruin to your people must be vanquished!

>>158845671
I retired the fort :(

I'm afraid of anything made from stone or metal, shit is not natural yo.

I got 40+ dwarves

I really gotta get organized and start using those manager/labor programs that come with dfhack/df. Therapist can only do so much to manage your production.

>>158845819

Get out dagger ears

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>>158828983
Get on my level

So, I was reading meta-jokes about DF, and I came across one Idea
What If you could export, like you do with maps and info, certain units from the game (people, animals, monsters, etc.) And be able to place them in any save you'd want, and/or trade them to other people
It sounds pretty amazing as it is, but think big.
Once we have more proper relationships between people, we could make certain long-lasting enemies inmortal, and let them fight and dominate entire worlds one after another, for all eternity.
Imagine all the experiences that they would have
Imagine If AI aumented with time

>>158847551
Ok, fairly asking
Up to what level of lewdness could I mod this game at?
yeah, you can add vagoos, and you can add dicks, and make them have different sizes and such. But does it end there?
Really, Im curious how much you can do with the game on that sense

>>158848570
I just pretend but you could probably make a vag/butthol and make it grabbable and then make a dick bodypart and give it the ability to grasp. Its what Obok Meatgod did.

>>158848570
you could make a tentacle monster with 10 dicks if you wanted. the body part system lets you do anything you want

>>158848984
>>158849443
Of course, I can add body parts and modifiers to make the game focus on lewd stuff
With the upcoming myth update you'll be able to put your hands on gods and stuff, so you could make a world that centers about a sexual religion caused by ''The pilar of life'', a portal to a world of constant and everlasting sex
But, can I actually mod behaviours or stuff in the game?
Do you ever feel the creature creation system, although amazing, could use to become more sophisticated?

Should I make an entirely separate squad for marksdwarves, or just mix them in with the rest?

>>158839508
I do everything work-related through the manager screen. I set up a lot of automatic checks for brainless repeat stuff, like
Do I have ore? SMELT IT INTO BARS
Do I have fuel? Make more! / Stop making more we have plenty.
Make clothes (before I'm playing naked fort)! But don't waste cloth on clothes if I'm super short on empty bags, do that instead!
THERE ARE 1000 UNDEAD OUTSIDE I COMMISSION 40 SILVER WARHAMMERS AND YES THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE 300 SILVER GOBLETS

>>158849443
haha benis :D

>>158848570

You can take off all your clothes & walk around town butt-nekkid, and noone will say a word ...
You also will not catch a cold in blizzard, either ...

>>158849849
most behaviour is hard-coded into the game. changing the raws won't have much impact on that.

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>set up mandate for infinite plant milling with the condition of 10 reagents and check seasonally
>still get constant job cancellation spam

>>158850658
don't enter in 0, put a sensible numerical value and have it checked at a more frequent rate with "repeat on check.." This will turn most of the job cancellation spam into Completed spam

>>158849934
the best option you have is to completely remove the marksdwarf squad
really saves a lot of time

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If a manlet is a short man, then what is a goblet?

>>158854251
>Not knowing that all cups are hardened goblin fetuses.

If you were to go into the warmth of a nest you'd still see the younguns moist and squiggling. Harvesters usually take all the ones who haven't inverted yet.

>>158854426
I was horrified after seeing a post

What was the thing in DFHACK to make a slab you spawned to have the secets of life and death on it?

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>>158854426
well, that was excedingly upsettling

Ok so I'm reading on the wiki that assigning barracks to an archery squad is recommended (on top of the archery targets), yet it also says that archers will train in melee if they're assigned to barracks. Is there any downside to having archers also train in melee?

Today on Pit fights

The Foul child snatching Kobold VS The Knife Eared Ambusher

Who will win in this all fist fight to the death

Place your bets

>>158856318
Knife Ear will fuckling eat the Kobold alive.

why is the manager screen conditions ass backwards?

I want it to produce something if its got less than 100, but all the commands seem to be written backwards.

>>158856318
Knife ears.

>>158856562
>greater than
>at least
Did he really do the following?
Do x when y is greater (>) than z.
Do x when y is at least (>=) z.

>>158856892
apparently toady was being a bastard, cause I read that the manager won't actually let you do that.

Do you remember the name of that DFHack utility that lets you do it that way?

>>158856318
Do you think things like betting and cultural celebrations could collide and form gladiator fights, like roman ones?

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So how do you guys power your magma pumpstacks?
add a waterwheel generator every 9 steps, just extend it to the surface and try your luick with windmills or go yolo and dorfpower?

And how much of an impact does a waterwheel generator hasve on ones FPS?

>>158857358
DF hack plugin is called workflow. The way Toady integrated management is sort of confusing and the Wiki page could be a lot more detailed. Personally I don't really get the deeper logic behind conditions yet.

its called workflow. god damn that was bitch to find.

>>158857517
Water reactor in cavern/on surface

>>158857608
I don't think there is any, its just bloat.

The only thing you can really use it for is if you are running low on materials and you don't want to use them up.

It would have taken him less than an hour to code the oppisition statements, I get that somebody worked hard on workflow, but having to sort through all these utilities is a real pain.

Therapist and Workflow should really just be built in, you can't play the game without Therapist and Big Forts can't run without Workflow.

great, now i'm fucking with keybindings

so much bloat...

>>158856057
Anyone?

>>158856510
>>158856763

The knife eared bastard won by smashing the kobos face into the floor, but his right leg was badly bitten and his right eye was poked out

sadly the knife ear ran away with the entire pot , but was found later dead in the tunnels with a pick axe stuck in the back and the pot gone

>>158857382

sure i intend to build a underground Colosseum with a nice large seat for the king to watch the battles

>>158859291
Nah man, I mean in in gen mode, in the future, when we get procedurally generated parties and such

What are some good DF mods to play that aren't masterbloat or pony related?

>>158859603

Probably, should be possible

sounds like a shitton of coding and scripting

>>158860221
Why are ponies so popular on bay12?

>>158862339
Autism begets autism

>>158856057
It's mostly a waste of time training.

I think the best way to train your militia is to go out and kill animals and things.

Danger room setups are kinna broken

>>158862835
>are kinna broken
They are lethal, thanks to the new force translation mechanics

>>158860221
Genesis is pretty good. Pretty much a trimmed down masterwork.

what are you listening to while playing DF?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_3TlrZLpQ0

>>158857517
old days
>sign of the gods!
dwarf days
>Engraved on the wall is a superiorly designed image of Urist McUrist the dwarf and the Bloated Eels the diety of deformity disease blight death and suicide depicted as a burning tree by Urist McUrist. Urist McUrist is standing next to the Bloated Eels. Urist McUrist is eating cheese. The Bloated Eels is suffering.
modern days
>let me get this wih my smartphone and upload it to the internet

>>158864014
I think religion is correct in assuming its not the content of the miracle, but its source.

>>158862925
yes
I set a test dwarf in a danger room, he went one round, noticed that it smacked him in the head so hard that I thought it broke his neck, and aborted the whole project.

2 years later of training/teaching/drilling he's legendary with hammers and force translation mechanics is the only hope I have that these guys will be able to stop these armored undead sieging my fort.

A dwarven Child just got possessed and rushed to the craft shop

am in trouble, never happened before?

>>158863817
Hardcore jesus metal is my go-to for DF adventure mode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgs6gT0axfc&index=1&list=PL4F2D1DFE8A44B2ED

>>158868042
prefer the classics, myself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgSn0SbQJQI&list=PL4otAjUgmhB64wILmUtmbePEAopMzexmc&index=1

I think they killed a real chicken for this video

>>158835487
Negative Stress levels = less stressed
Fine is fine, happy is hard to get now.

>>158867816
They're gonna crank out an artefact, but if it's not fey or secretive, they're going to have no skill gain.

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>>158863817
>not listening to the beautiful music provided in-game by our dear friend Toady One

>>158868992
I've heard it a billion fucking times.

>>158868817

Yeahh got some bone gauntlet

gonna throw it in the lava pit together with the kid

>>158869136
you can pit dwarves now?

>>158868992
when he bothers to pluck a few strings and makes a song for adv. mode, Ill listen to it

>>158869136
i mean, i know you can use burrows and hatch covers

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>>158862339

Pic related.

>>158862446

Pretty much hit the nail on the head.

>>158869264

Testing out my new retractable bridge to see if it drops dwarfs

i have high hopes

>>158868370
what is this and why did it make me go

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>>158863817
this, desu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcZXihyBuSg

>>158863817
thanks /mu/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPz-LPbIbQE

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Found these two shits in an abandoned hamlet.

>>158849443
>yfw when you have no face when df actually had tentacle demons
I don't crop hentai pics because I don't want someone deep in a NSA facility laughing at me.

>>158873096

Corpses tell no tale

>>158868042
>>158863817
>fucking manchildren listening to metal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxAdOQtAFEs

>>158873495
>manchildren listening to metal
>links a videogame OST

You best be joking

>>158873670
>not listening to game music when playing games
Top leek

>>158863817
There is only one real choice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPxHEN9lXCU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5ghhmWrubY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36Y_ztEW1NE

>>158863817


Judas Priest - Turbo Lover

>>158872525
You're welcome pleb.

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Yo this is a lot of blue. How soon do you think the next release will be?

Is it common for caravan traders to want an insane profit? I traded for 2k worth of stuff and picked 1.8k worth of stuff in exhchanged and the trader made a counter offer for 4k worth of stuff on my part. So he basically went from 200 profit to 2k

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>>158876074
not very soon lol

>>158849443
>>158849849
>>158848984
Lack of lewd apart, in what ways do you think the creation systen could get bettered?
Do you think it lacks something, or is there anything you'd like to see expanded, /dfg/?

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>>158876074