/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless and 4X Games General

First

In Stellaris, which weapon type is the best to start with and why?

>>158279497
yes! finally got first!

>>158279505
Missiles because they ignore evasion and earlier ships have higher evasion.

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great game firaxis

>>158279589
-707 gold per turn

Looks like it's working.

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This was fixed in Civ V, ruins didn't give you tech beyond Ancient era. Why am I learning the secrets of satellite from villages in Civ VI now? Is it because of difficulty I'm playing on?

>>158279397
Why is there no casus beli for declaring war on a civ that's attacking a city state that I'm suzurain of? Protectorate war CB unlocks at renaissance and it can only be used after the city state has already been captured. What sense does this make?

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Compiled list of necessary changes for Civ6:
1.Add an option to remove autocycling (I know you can remove it by fiddling with the files, but it should be a basic feature in the game's interface)
2. Make barbs scale with player's tech - no more classical era horsemen raping everything while every player is in the ancient era
3. Bring back the movement system from 5. Current movement system makes any non-cavalry melee unit even more worthless than they were in 5 (and I didn't think that was even possible)
4. Heavily increase amounts of strategic resources on the map or remove resource requirements from the basic infantry line. Currently most civs use nothing but carpets of warriors for majority of the game because they don't have enough iron to upgrade them into swordsmen. Rome spams Legions instead (unique units don't require resources), but they still can't upgrade them into musketmen, which require niter. And AI can't really trade for these resources since absolutely everyone wants them and no one has enough of them.
5. Give actual notifications when a barb camp spawns instead of playing the sound and leaving the player to scour the fog of war for minutes trying to find the camp
6. Show what tile the city is growing borders towards and tell us how many turns it will take
7. Give notifications when cities grow so we can manage the citizens in time
8. Add a restart button and make the game save our settings, fiddling with them every time I want to restart a game gets tiring very fast.
I'm sure I forgot something, but that's all I remember so far.

>>158279694
Ancient aliens.

>>158279784
That would make kind of sense if it was ruins, but in Civ VI they are villages. Fucking villagers knew how to make satellites

What difficulty is the equivalent to civ 5's immortal?

>>158279781
1) Give some penalties to chopping forests outside your borders

2) Nerf the price of selling units

3) Disable selling units outside your borders

4) Scale the selling price of builders based on uses left

>Denounced
>(You occupy one of their allies cities)

I literally don't though.

>>158279891
Maybe its more like much as we could discover these bamboomen we can discover the stars.. or in modern times the villages are some techie hippie communes

>>158279589
One would assume this is a lower difficulty level, but it's probably on deity.

>~turn 300
>aztecs buying lux resources for 500 gold and 83 gold per turn

What the actual fuck is going on with trading

Fuck that, what the actual fuck is going on with everything in this game

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There was this old pic of the Civ 4 city screen that had a detailed explanation of what everything meant, particularly on the tiles. Does anyone have this? Not even playing Civ 4 right now, I just thought of that pic at random.

>>158280315
I remember Civ 5 being even more broken on release.

It'll get ironed out, eventually.

>>158279781
The turns also take years, they also should be speed up imo. It's not Rome 2 bad, but it's still pretty bad

>>158280019
Make it so that for every tile away from your city you chop you get like 10 % less production or something

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>be firaxis
>pick out civs with aim to have a balanced TSL Earth scenario
>don't include TSL Earth scenario in base game

GAY DISTRICTS

How do you use nukes? I built one and it said it's in my nation's inventory. Where the fuck is that? I want to bomb these mudskins

>New game
>haven't even finished building a scout
>Find Gandhi
>he declares war on me next turn

>>158280851
Saw someone saying earlier you need to build a Silo with a military engineer.

>>158279589
Why would you do this?

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>>158280851
Inventory is basically the top bar, you'll see 1 green dildo, that's your nuke.

You can shoot them from either a Missile Silo you get in a completely unrelated tech that your Military Engineers needs to build as basically an improvement; or you can shoot it from late era units like the Nuclear Submarine and I think the Stealth Bomber?

pic related is my recent Nippon Nuke rush session, though obviously not much of a rush and pretty unpolished but god nukes are so satisfying in civ 6 especially compared to how much of a wet noodle they were in civ 5. Definitely recommend using the Nuclear Submarines to shoot em from the water.

>>158280019
You can sell outside of your own borders?

What the fuck lol, they didn't even try to playtest this.

>>158281113
>7 turns
>7 capitals captured
nice

>>158280361
I don't understand how Genghis beat Augustus or Alexander. They're both pretty much responsible for modern society as we know it, every Western Civ has tried to emulate them.

>>158279781
>No mention of the fucking production scaling
You ever got past the classical age babby?

>>158281203
All the sensible people who might have voted Augustus or Alexander wanted to fuck Boudicca

>>158281203
>us_education.png

>>158281203
This is exactly why we'll be beat again by another Ghengis

>>158279781

Unit autocycle and border growth indicator are the only ones I really want. Everything else I can live with.

>>158280705
fag districts when
>+2 amenities
>+1 gold to every adjacent district (gays bring up property values)
>LGBT district project, pride parade gives great artist points

>>158281203
You're not wrong but Genghis is at least on their level.

Do siege towers seem completely 100% busted to anyone else? As in they don't do what they're supposed to. I had a couple of them for a big assault on America, had them linked to some melee units and everything, and all of my idiots were hitting the blue wall-bar and taking massive damage from every assault.

>>158281086
>>158281113
Thanks senpaitachi. Need me a military engineer and a silo. Do you need more than one silo if you want to launch more than 1 nuke per turn?

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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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I am growing stronger

>>158279781
>>158280019
1) Make it so that later era tech is slowed down by some percent for each pre-era tech you haven't researched

2) Buff mid-game housing so that building tall (4-6 cities) isn't just shooting yourself in the foot

>>158281352
Ouch

>>158281113

I gotta agree. Its satisfying as fuck to use nukes.

My last victory was with japan going for science. And somehow in the last few turns before winning i pissed off the chinese and russians.

I literally leveled their empires with the ground. I probably had 8 cities at that point producing nothing but nukes since i didnt bother with anything else.

>p-please peace
>nope
>rain of death continues

>>158281352
make a swastika

>>158281113
>Stealth Bomber
Also Jet Bomber, maybe normal Bomber too.

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nigga is you china or mongolia

>>158279781

9. pleaz include alcohol its very important for country make many alcohol

>>158281408

>hexes
>swastika

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Liking the look of this start. Really, really tempted to move one tile to the right so I can plant my campus on the banana hex to the left and get +6 science, but bananas are so valuable when I'm trying to avoid tearing down the rain forest. There's also also a great spot for an industrial zone between all those hills at the bottom, and a spot for a commercial district to the right next to the coast, and I haven't even begun thinking about theater and holy sites, which is probably what I should be prioritizing.

>>158279781
>fix the fucking UI in every way
>apostles. I don't know HOW you'll fix them but they need to be fixed.

>>158281316
>Growth limited by 25%

Hanging Gardens would bring it down to 10%

How the fuck are Woods/Rainforest/Marsh supposed to work with resources on the same tile? Sometimes I can build an improvement without removing anything, sometimes I can't, sometimes I can remove stuff afterwards and sometimes I somehow get a Mine in Rainforest and the Rainforest stays on the tile for the rest of the game

>win a science victory again
>it's just a hundred turns of mindlessly skipping after you get good infrasture up
why do i keep doing this

The pins dont work well. You have to add one and after that edit it. Otherwise other pins might get reset.

Apart from that l love the pins.

>>158281251
I think it's nice balance between tall and wide. Currently no one really knows how most optimal city layouts should look like so people from both camps whine that Firaxis butchered tall/wide. We'll have to wait for some time before we can actually say for sure how impactful that production scaling is.

deity gandhi has 3 cities with like so much space to expand

game is at around modern era

>>158281203
bait

>>158281609
They're literally a tiebreaker victory

>>158281643
Nobody knows anything
Least of all the AI
>hurr build campus in a tile surrounded by 5 river tiles
>I'll build the commerce district next to the mountains

Anybody knows how overflow works in Civ6? Is it gone? Or do you have to queue up techs and production to not lose the overflow?

>>158281643
i'm pretty sure 4-5 strong closely built cities is what you go for for any victory, with the rest being just there not doing anything useful

>>158279781
9 Implement attractive waifu leaders
It's not fair, fags get tokimune and gilgamesh and we get nothing.

>>158281609
I really wish the science victory stuff was slightly more spread out but they also each had a satellite-like effect and they even added one for the moon landing

Like if each part was spread out on the tech tree more and took longer to make but getting robotics was actually interesting beyond "this is part 2 of win con"

>>158281714

>He doesn't want to breed Brianna Wu

>>158281704
>civ6
>queue
joke is good, tovarish

Why the fuck is science so fucking slow

>>158281691
>commerce district next to the mountains
That's a bad thing? I don't know where to build districts honestly

>>158281714
catherine is the best milf and any other opinion is wrong

>>158281203
fetal alcohol syndrome everyone

>>158281750
Science is both fast and slow. The early game into mid game science is super fucking fast because you hit almost every boost. Then it slows down like a motherfucker because you can't produce shit to keep up with the tech. You basically hit none of your boosts in the late game.

>>158281745
You can queue techs innit lad.
Like, what if you use the great scientist who gives you a bunch of beakers at once? Do you just lose the overflow?

>>158281760
If you swapped the two you'd get +5 science and +5 money off the bat
As it is it's 0 / 0

>>158281769
You're wrong.

>>158281760
rightclick the thing in build menu to open civilopedia
read the adjacency bonsues
congratulations, you have mastered the incredibly complex game that civilization 6 is

>>158281742
The french bitch and Victoria historically were kinda ugly women so I get it but why couldn't they make Cleopatra hot?

>>158281760
That's another fault. The tooltips for districs don't actually say what gives them the bonuses. You have to guess by checking the locations and stuff.

>>158279397
Are there any must do things in Civ VI.. as a total scrub, what is essential for a good start?

>>158281842
>le butthurt 4citiestrad baby

>>158281853
They make Cleopatra much hotter than she should be, i.e. an inbred shut-in greek

>>158281853
Cleopatra wasn't amazing-looking historically, she had a crooked nose. She was just charismatic and really fucking good at giving head. In fact none of the women were amazing-looking.

border growth indicator mod when

>>158281832
commerce districts only get +2 gold if there's a river nearby
it does not stack

>>158281643

Imo the best is a hybrid. Not just 1 city and go wide, but like 1 central city, with 3-5 supporting ones and then grow tall.

If you go too wide the district costs keep you in check.

>>158281875
if you know about the adjacency bonuses and the wod chopping selling workers after 2 uses trick you can win any game mode with any civ

>>158281894
I'm almost certain it does, what gives it more then
I've seen a +5 bonus before

>>158281829
Do scientists even give flat beakers anymore? Isn't it all just EurekaTM moments now?

>>158281853
Because it has been noted that Cleopatras beauty didn't stand out in a room more than any other woman, but she was a very charming person to talk to.

Also I'd bang civ6 cleo

>>158281704
Overflow isn't capped and it's always saved. On faster speeds you can one turn wonders after building a bunch of units that take less than 1 turn of production to build. Source is filthy's stream, where he plays multiplayer on online speed.

>>158281914
You were playing Japan and there were other districts nearby maybe?

>>158281643
Cost of districts go up with every district of that type built GLOBALLY. It's a possible bug.

Due to districts almost universally being better than cities, most OP civ for district spam is Aztecs. They can just crank the fuckers out with builders. Close second is Germany, as their stupid-high production keeps things cranking out smoothly.

You can have shitloads of cities with very few districts, or 2-4 cities with large amounts of districts. The most important thing is that you get your districts built ASAP and exploit chopping to get there.

>>158281938
Jeanne was notedly pretty with nice titties though

>>158281927
Depends on the GS, one of them gives 250 beakers per adjacent mountain tiles where you use it.

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>>158281714
I actually think there might be legit fags at firaxis art division (speaking as a fag myself)

Tokimune, Gilgamesh, Trajan and even Phillip and Monty (dem abs) are attractive.

>>158281905
>wod chopping selling workers after 2 uses trick

I don't

>>158281927

Occasionally you get some that do give flat beakers for mountains surrounding you or for wonder tiles. Havent seen any other.

>>158281975
>They can just crank the fuckers out with builders
Is that part of their unique ability?

>>158281853
>The french bitch
The Italian bitch has so many ladies-in-waiting that /u/ just can't help but wonder...

What is the most OP civ right now? Anything on Civ V Babylon's tier?

>>158282001
They can probably get sued if there aren't enough fags in their department

>>158281760
Commercial gets a +2 bonus from being adjacent to at least one river segment, and another +2 bonus from being adjacent to a harbour. And the usual tiny bonus for being next to districts in general.

Settling your city where a river meets the coast is the best way of making it a commercially-focused city.

>>158281972
Oh okay so it just doesn't show.

>>158281973
I don't think you actually see the +X bonus for Japan, at least I didn't. It always just +1'd for me whenever I placed a district next to another.

>>158282009
yeah
they can use a builder point to complete 20% of a district
it's way OP later in the game when districts take 60-100 turns to build

>>158282032
Scythia and Sumer. They are more of Huns and Zulu tier though, science is less impactful now due to all the eurekas.

>>158282002
Selling 2 workers gives you enough money to buy another one asap.

So selling workers after 2 uses and instantly buying another one is a faster and more effective strategy than just churning them out and using the uses.

>>158282032
Scythian is clearly the most broken right now with her raw horses to houses strategy of just generation not only a shit ton of combat units but also being able to sell them to produce a bunch of shit

Rome is a close second imo

>>158282032
Scythia
Rome
Sumeria
These three civilization just fucking consume everyone else, there is no competition. Scythia is already broken just with their ability but there's an exploit that works only with them to be able to sell your double horses at 50% cost and simply buy all the buildings you need
Rome is just better than everyone at everything except their own specialties and even then Rome can be better, to say nothing of their ability to spam fuckhueg wide.
Sumeria is just lmao science warcarts everywhere
China isn't broken but it's top tier because you can get every wonder in the first two ages with a worker and a half.

>>158280872
>ghandi
>agenda is that he never declares war
>literally declares war "justified" war on me right after he met me and never denounced me

How does this shit work?

>>158282051
Not him but I tried this earlier. 2 rivers (3 if you count tiles and not singular rivers) and it only gave +2.

>>158282102
>>158282114
>Not Aztecs
>Not Sparta
>Not Russia

>>158282124
He never declares war for which he could be branded a warmonger. Meaning that he'll gladly declare war on you in ancient era before warmonger penalties roll in or if you give him an excuse to attack you with a reconquista war or something. The game explains that in the description of his agenda if you mouse over it.

>>158282141
>rivers
I think it only works on districts

>>158282069
What the fuck?

This seems insanely broken if you abuse selling workers. They can go wide with little to no penalties.

>>158282189
Yeah I meant about the rivers bonus earlier in the chain, my bad.

>>158282145
They are good, but none of those has bonuses to cavalry. And cavalry right now is the alpha and omega of warfare.

>tfw never ever mountains nearby

why even play.

>>158282145
None of those literally break the game

>>158282230
>says that while putting Rome up there
Yeah that roman cavalry is fierce

>>158282203
workers cost scales too though, just like districts

>>158282124
>How does this shit work?

>Cleo - CS Protector
>chooses to conquer Valetta instead of settling another city
Agenders, how do they work?

also:
>China: 100000000Lieu
>Greece: wonderhoarder (hidden)
>they declare a joint war against me with 0 wonders
Get fucked.

>playing on emperor
>don't even have time to produce units
>produce units
>get shat on by other civs in terms of tech, civics, religion

what am I doing wrong here.. I must be doing wrong. After building slinger I am not able to produce any military without getting fucked by everyone else.

>>158282280
Well that is actually a good poi - OH NO WAIT WE CAPTURED ALL YOUR MILITARY UNITS AND TURNED THEM INTO BUILDERS.

HEARTS FOR THE GRAND PYRAMID, MOTHERFUCKERS.

>>158282291
chop more faggot

>>158282291
Perhaps you got a really shitty start

>>158282271
I'm not that guy, I'm this guy >>158282086
Rome is on similar level with the civs you mentioned, nowhere near the level of glorious Scythia or Sumer

I don't like this leader bonus thing, it just makes me feel like they're going to push a bunch of new leaders of these civs rather than fully new civs

>>158282332
Is there even any reason to preserve forest? Health isn't a thing, and national parks are fuckoff-complicated to create and apparently pointless.

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>>158282338
I'll start a new game and you tell me if I should bother with it.. picture related
>>158282332
I'll try to chop more

>>158282378
>Is there even any reason to preserve forest?
Holy site adjacency I suppose.

>>158282320
Does the glorious eagle benefit off barb camps?

>>158282402
>0 science
Gonna be a good game.

>>158282402
>he set up on the coast
the absolute madman

>>158281203
fetal alcohol syndrome everyone

>>158282475
I haven't tried close-to-the-coast cities yet, how does that work? Like, can you build a harbor without having the city center on the coast? That sounds OP as fuark, does it mean you get all the benefits of coastal cities without being vulnerable to melee ships?

>>158282246
I would argue that Aztecs come close to game-breaking if you push their district-production abilities hard and use the builder exploits.

Production of districts seems to be the main bottleneck to game progression, more than science or military units. Off the top of my head, nobody gets stronger bonuses to district construction than old mate Monty.

>>158282440
Sadly no, but early game war against civs is basically guaranteed at Prince and above. Just start the game building Eagle Warriors and nothing else, march into the nearest enemy territory and fortify up.

>>158282475
Speaking of, does the harbor need to be adjacent to your city?
If not, does that allow you to build naval crap?

>>158282549
Everything is game-breaking if you use builder exploits

>>158282560
Harbour can be up to three tiles away from your city - which is, by the way, the maximum range of any district except the aqueduct.

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Noice

Is it possible to have good relations with AI civs in this game? I just finished my first game and everyone was "unhappy" with me. Even Gandhi and Theodore who were on other continent, and I never attacked anyone. Just fought defensive wars, and conquered one capital in them

Only leader who was not unhappy with me was Tsar of Russia which was neutral

>>158282546
Yeah but directly on the coast is absolute garbage because of needing that goddamn housing bonus from phresh water

>>158282546
The harbor can be placed on any water tile within three tiles of the city center.

The only advantage of coastal settling is early production of long boats as Norway.

>>158282619
Oh fuggg.

>>158282291
Getting hammers is imperative. Mines and shit give so few hammers, though, and access to hammer specialists is cumbersome. So there's no normal way of getting comfortable amounts of hammers. Just chop and mine that shit up.

Also, food is critical due to arbitrary pop limits. And getting specialists into districts if your location is working against you.

Oh, and a few archers to keep em barbs and AI at bay.

And gold to overcome the lack of hammers.

>>158282615
I think we have to recognise that Civ6 is a game with multiple levels of "Game-breaking".

We've got 1/3Builder, Horseman$, Chop2win, and the infamous "Infinite gold through shitty civ diplomacy" bug. Which basically invalidates any other strategy.

>>158282663
That's fucking cray cray.
I guess naval warfare won't be a big dealio.

>>158282739
>Infinite gold through shitty civ diplomacy
wait wot

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what is this shit

>>158282741
Well, it works against the AI but against high level players in multiplayer, you won't want to ever build military boats. At most, you'll want a nuclear submarine in the late game for nuking someone on the other side of the world.

>>158282797
A meh start
I've seen much worse

>>158282797
It's called Japan

>>158282638
My experience was that in earlier ages everyone hates you. In later ages they come around if you haven't burned all bridges by then. And by you I mean them.

Arbitrary agendas make it very difficult to keep any friends. You can't really rely on the 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' since saving trees is appareantly more important.

>>158282847
At least it has mountains

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>>158282797
You ain't seen a shitty start yet boyo

>>158279891
They knew about advanced technology when you first found them, why wouldn't they still be advanced later on?

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>>158282797
>>158282894
Say what, niggers?

>>158282795
There's been a few threads on leddit about it.

Basically when arranging any sort of trade involving gold-per-turn for resources, you can fuck around increasing and decreasing the amount of gold and using the "What would you give me for this/what would make this deal acceptable?" button to make the AI offer massive amounts of gold for nothing.

Also works in reverse to obtain massive amounts of goods from the AI in return for 1gpt.

The reason it works so well is because the gold for the AI isn't actually earned by anything - it's pulled out of a magic infinite money pile that the AI can access. You can't push AI civs into a gold deficit through trade like you could in Civ5. They have infinite money to buy things off you.

>>158282931
anon, I...

>>158282874
Exactly and he's got a relatively close 2nd luxury nearby and horses

Probably iron/nitrate too

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does anyone want this save i uploaded for a friend, deity quick pangaea 8 civs

petra city + coliseum in range of most cities and have commercial hub/hansa pins for you already :^) not much military because gandhi

can upload turn 1 if you want

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>7 charge workers as China with pyramids and serfdom

>>158282739
That's all easily fixable thankfully and in the meantime you can just not abuse it. I'd like to see weird district cost scaling and the cultural victory getting adjusted too as well as putting some breaks on the tech tree with some penalties for beelining too hard (why the fuck is archery a dead end tech that isn't required for crossbows?)

Concept wise i dont think there are any glaring issues in civ 6 that cannot be fixed with some adjustments.

>>158282894
o boi

I feel like shitty starts really impede you this time around, given that you'll end up actually working most of your tiles early on.

>>158282947
KEK.

>>158282969
>>158282874
>>158282894
Did I already fuck up? What do I do here?
I'd go quarry that shit, chop woods, sell the worker? What do I build.

>>158282947
Only the dead.

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>>158283012
Forgot picture..

>>158282980
I absolutely agree. I think apart from patching exploits, all that's needed is an adjustment to increase tech costs across the board. People have complained about UI issues, but I think a few tweaks to pacing would make the game many times better than it already is.

And it already is, for the record, pretty damn nice. We should take a moment to appreciate the fact that the main issues on release are a handful of exploits and a few niggles with pacing.

Anybody who remembers the Civ5/BE release should breathe a sigh of relief.

>>158282973
Just give the seed nigguh.

Or don't because idgaf.

>people actually use the worker selling exploit
not only is it an exploit, its a minmax exploit

it's not even fun like Scythian's horse zerging, why even bother with it

The Diplo AI is so bad that within the first 50 turns on Emp, let alone Imm and Diety, pretty much all denouce you which means
>I'll wage war when i feel like it
>a part of tha game is effectively locked out

>>158283012
Get another warrior and 2 slingers
when you cleared the camp expand down near diamonds

>>158282951
>infinite money
That explains the regular carpets of doom. Also reveals firaxis for the hackfrauds they are.

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>>158283084
>civ 5 city states on release

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the fuck is this

Barbarians should be an early aggressive "extra" civ but they should basically just die off after the medieval era. It's retarded seeing Barb AT squads just durdling around outside your border.

I'm actually one hundred percent ok with how insane barbs are right now except for their ability to start off with spearmen and cavalry from turn 1.

>when trading artifacts with the AI you can't see the era and civ it's from
WEW

>>158283082
Improve Jade and Rice, chop woods with last charge to rush out new worker, make more slingers in meantime. You can switch different production lines without losing production you invested in them, so don't worry. With second worker improve sheep and use chops to rush out a settler, go for the horses to the north. You'll want an encampment district in the cap, those horses to the north improved and endless streams of japanese horsemen to follow.

>>158283193

>what are rebels fighting for freedom

I bet Ted is arming those fucks as well.

>>158283193
lategame barbs are terrorists n sheit

>>158283185
You didn't build the wall in time and mongols came.

>>158283281
But Arabia is already in the game

>>158283193
their camps need to spawn less aggressively, it's kind of stupid how if there's fog of war they will spawn there IMO

>>158283315
>arabian UA isn't funding terrorists
dropped

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In Civilization VI, just how important really are adjacency bonuses?

>>158283370
look more of an early game thing tbqhimofam

>>158283370
They can add up to something meaningful if you get the adjacency civics.

I don't like the pantheons in this game desu

>>158283370
Depends on the type of victory you want but getting a +3 or +4 early is pretty huge

>>158283185
Its god damn mongolians

is it shit

>>158283425
Yeah they're all pretty bad. Religion in general seems kinda worthless to anyone not pursuing a straight road to religious victory.

>>158283193
Barbarians make sense in every era. In fact, I'd prefer if barbarians reflected the tech level of nearby civs a little better.

Upstart fiefdoms in the medieval era, rebellious working classes in the renaissance industrial era, separatist terrorists in the modern era and onwards, etcetera.

>>158283409
>>158283421
>>158283443
Would you remove wheat or sheep, or sacrifice farms, to get +1 on a district?

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>>158283285
>>158283451
>Think its safe, move my worker out of the city for a sec
>Fucking horsemen out of fucking nowhere

gg I guess?

>>158283495
But ignoring religion completely can result in somebody else getting a surprise religious victory. Same as ignoring any one victory condition completely - it's giving an enemy an area with less competition. Just don't do it.

>>158283347
You can fund barbarians with a spy, an AI dropped 5 barbarian tanks on my capital.

>>158283523
Terrorists aren't barbarians though. Hell not even pirates are barbarians. They both belong to a culture and civilization.

Modern day barbarians would just straight up be barbarians who never ever adapted to modern society in like the jungle or some shit. If they wanted barbarians to be a thing in the late game then they need some type of goal beyond just harassing a city state now and then.

>>158283597
I don't know, what do you call IS harassing Syria?

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>>158283425
Which pantheon should I choose? The only useful looks like the one that gives faith adjacent to rainforests, but I think it's more useful to chop them down so I'm not sure

>>158283495
I kind of want a religious heavy game for RP purposes

>>158282947

At least barbarians can't fuck with you

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>turn 4

>>158283569
When you see a scout, chase him. Camps don't spawn by themselves, scouts create them.
A scout spawns in the dark, walks until he sees a player or city state, then finds a safe space and builds a camp which starts making soldiers.

What happened was your warrior was far from the city and a couple of scouts saw you, and you didn't chase them away.

>>158283597
Keep in mind that the entire game is viewed through a statist lens. Every civilization you can interact with is a nation-state of some kind. Even city-states are still states.

Barbarians are anybody who does not follow statist ideology. Tribesmen, rebels, anarchists, terrorists, whatever. Anybody operating not under the banner of a nation is a "barbarian".

>>158283595
>You can fund barbarians with a spy
woah cool, I wish I had playe-
>an AI dropped 5 barbarian tanks on my capital
fucking what?

How can they fuck up everything? Firaxis a shit.

>>158283680
>it's just a fucking footprint

>>158283741
Funding rebels spawns a few barbs around the city if your spy succeeds, what are you mad about?

>>158283805
The tanks. If it had been a coastal city, would the spy have spawned 5 battleships?

>>158283487
Right now it is.

>>158283873
No idea, but they just pillaged a few tiles and didn't achieve much, the tank is an upgraded horseman, not a unit that can single handedly conquer a city and lose the game.

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>Start a game
>Settle my city
>Move my warriors once
>EUREKA Discovered another Continent

>>158283943
Same happened just a few minutes ago. How do continents work in this game?

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>>158283697
Cheers for the tip
>Thanks Gilga for helpi-
>WHY DO I FIGHT
>BECAUSE I CAN

>>158283972
Rivers, mountains, sharp change of terrain can be the edge of a continent. Look at Africa, Europe and Asia.

>>158283943
>>158283972
I think continents can be separated by literally one river cause the same shit happens to me all the time

>>158283597
>Modern day barbarians would just straight up be barbarians who never ever adapted to modern society in like the jungle or some shit
You mean like Kongo?

>>158283563
farms yeah but I wouldn't sacrifice wheat

>>158283943
>>158283972
IRL subcontinents are divided up by significant geographic features such as mountain ranges or major river systems.

In Civ6 landmasses are divided up pretty fucking arbitrarily, but who cares. They did some cool game mechanics around continents and they found a way to make it work on Pangea.

>>158283760
God's Hooks are just shards of iron and the Piece of the True Cross is like a tiny splinter

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>king difficulty, loads of future tech and civics
>Nero
Looks like I have to step up my game
was nearly impossible to win with 4 assholes constantly sabotaging my everything while pretending to act as my friends
fuck you king nigger

So has a new meta been decided for 1.3?

i've hearing that Arc Emitters are the new hotness, replacing Tachyon Lances

>>158283942
>the tank is an upgraded horseman, not a unit that can single handedly conquer a city and lose the game.
It's not really about gameplay as such.

5 units of infantry or guerillas spawned and funded by foreign spies is fine. Spawning 5 units tanks or fucking battleships is dumb beyond immersion-breaking. My normie-autism can't handle that.

>>158284148
It's nearly impossible to get a high score without just purposefully stalling I think

>>158284176
is the game too gamey for you

>>158284148
I got Andrew Jackson on Emperor for a culture victory it's insane

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>>158279589
>-707

>>158284252
why is Andrew Jackson fucking below Neville Chamberlain anyway
or why is Andrew Jackson not #1

>>158284148
who the fuck is Dan Quayle by the way

>>158284224
Sort of. It's more that it's a sign that they didn't care enough to think things through.

Also my autism.

>>158284318
Vice president for Bush Senior back in the early 90s. Famous for being young and inexperienced. He compared himself to JFK and got laughed out of the senate.

>>158284303
good thing you can sell units in this game and basically have faster production selling units then buying buildings

shame you cant buy districts though

I'm playing on Huge map and I still can hardly find places to set, every city state/civ is just so fucking close to each other

>>158284307
Because USAUSAUSA memes aside he wasn't that big of a deal. Also because Neville's name sounds funny

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Where do I put this bitch?

>>158284407
>so fucking retarded you got immortalized in Civilization as the shittiest leader you could possibly be
>while you were still alive to see it
Ow.

>>158284423
In my last game, russia got early bumfucked and literally just had his capital at the very edge of the continent

>>158284480
Quayle wouldn't be able to turn on a computer even if he knew what one was.

Dumbass thought Mars was the same distance from the Sun as the Earth was. And that Mars had a breathable atmosphere. And that you spell "potato" with an E.

His Wikipedia page is fucking hilarious.

>>158284475
Not in Tundra. Also you probably shouldn't make settlers unless you know where you wanna settle.

>>158284148
>Chamberlain
>not Eden
Memes and Labor bias as expected.

>>158284480
>>158284535
So he's kinda like Trump and Hillary? other then being vice

>>158284535
>declined to run for public office in this time period because he was suffering from phlebitis.
Literal pleb.

>>158283597
Making barbarians a little more complex would be nice. Like, give them certain preferences and personalities like city-states have. At the very least, in the late game.

Religious extremists that spawn with Spread Religion charges. Their religion is a randomly selected minority religion from the nearest city with one or more minority religions.
Gangsters and bandits that sap gold from your treasury whenever they plunder a trade route.
Proletariat revolts that don't capture colonists, workers and other non-combatants. Instead, they destroy the unit and upgrade to a corps or if they're already a corps, an army.
Anarchists, fire-starters, rioters and so on make up the normal barbarians that would prioritize pillaging tiles.

>>158284657
better than a barb camp in 2000 spawning in the snow at the edge of the world

>>158284535
>Throughout his time as vice president, Quayle was widely ridiculed in the media and by many in the general public, both in the U.S. and overseas, as an intellectual lightweight and generally incompetent.[15] Contributing greatly to the perception of Quayle's incompetence was his tendency to make public statements that were either self-contradictory, confused, or impossible ("The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. ... No, not our nation's, but in World War II. I mean, we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century, but in this century's history"), or ("I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future") or this quote, from when he addressed the United Negro College Fund, whose slogan is "A mind is a terrible thing to waste," where he said, "You take the UNCF model that what a waste it is to lose one's mind or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is."[16][17]

>Shortly after Bush announced the Space Exploration Initiative, which included a manned landing on Mars, Quayle was asked his thoughts on sending humans to Mars. In his response he made a series of scientifically erroneous statements: "Mars is essentially in the same orbit [as Earth]....Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe."[18]

What the actual fuck

>>158284712
They do spawn in the desert in real life, but thats only because Russia polices the tundra.

How the fuck do Research Agreements work in Civ 6 now? I thought they were mutual but you can only put the agreement on one side of the table, and the other side has to give something in exchange. What the actual fuck Firaxis?

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Civ 6 civs ranking!

>top tier
everyone with an unique district:
Russia
Germany
England
Greece

>shit tier
everyone else

>why are you even in this game tier
France

>>158284771
>Rome and Scythia and Sumeria shit tier
wow

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>Stonehenge
>Must be adjacent to stone
wew

>>158284771
Rome also has UD

>>158284723
leaving out the best part, come now, be a good sport
>During the 1992 presidential campaign, Quayle told the news media that he believed homosexuality was a choice, and "the wrong choice."

>>158284823
I dont think I ever got a start without stone

>>158283680
>Ugha ugha! Stoneage-George just stepped in shit!
>Ugha! Haha. Now its dry. Lets take it back home as a reminder to make fun of him.

>>158284771
>>158284823
Don't forget Brazil.

>>158284824
That's fine tho

>>158284823
Wasn't Stonehenge build notoriously far away from stone, and it had to be carried there?

Is it possible to enable Aztecs if you didn't preorder?

How do I see the buildings I already built? I built Oracle, but I already forgot what it does. Do I have to open civwiki?

>>158284824
He isn't wrong.

>>158284823
Aqueducts dont count as districts for it`s population related limit

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>tfw science victory is tech to rocketry then click next turn 200 times doing literally nothing else

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>>158284880
how do we know?
maybe they built it right there where the stone was and used it all up

>>158284880
Civ5/6 hexes represent some massive amount of land, though. Thousands of square miles. Tens of thousands, even. Italy in the earth map was like, two or three hexes?

can someone repost that unit cycling fix

>>158284869
>>158284914
It's told levels of fine. Worth posting.

>>158284990
English longbowmen must be very strong to shoot that far.

>>158284969
I honestly don't fucking get it, the actual building of shit to send to mars doesn't take that long what we're missing is the technical ability to do that and generally politics that prevent you from launching a probe with only your dudes on it to claim a celestial body.

>>158284987
>how do we know
A quick wikipedia search will tell you

>>158284771
Free builders tier:
>Aztecs

Overpowered tier:
>Greeks

Meh tier:
>Everyone else.

>>158284913
You can see the buildings in a city by clicking the City Details button (furthest left on the bar) which will pop out the lefthand menu. At the top there are 3 selections - the middle one will show you everything built in that city.

Sadly, in the case of wonders it doesn't actually tell you what they do aside from any culture/production/science/etc bonus it may have.

tldr: Yeah look it up in the Civelopedia

>>158283805
>Funding rebels
Wait what? Why have I never seen this option?

>>158284990
Depends on the map you play. In Civ V with that TSL mod, Italy is quite lot of hexes

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>>158284969
no space race will EVER be as good as the civ 2 one
>that spaceship screen
>that spaceship style
>all those different stats
>can gamble with a fast ship but low chance or add more weight and make it safer but slower

>>158285067
I believe the city needs to have low happiness, and you need some culture tech unlocked? Not sure, it isn't always there.

>>158284880
Not sure if the book is very accurate, but the Cornwell book had stones from all over the country as the Henge was revised several times. it started small and became bigger and bigger as it expanded with all kinds of stone.

it also had a lot of stones be transported by boat rather than land.

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EPIC QUOTE HAHAHAHA

I LOVE MOVIES XD!!!!!

>>158284423
Seriously, I can't settle a city that's 6 hexes away from other cities on Huge map. Is RNG fucking me over or is it supposed to be like this?

>>158285220
>tfw "beep...beep...beep" is unironically better than 50% of the quotes in game

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I think I've been playing too long, Tomy is starting to look like a QT when she's happy with me

How long does it take to get into endless legend? I got it on a steam sale over a year ago and I've tried to get into it a couple times. Pretty much do the tutorial and maybe a basic game and just get overwhelmed by all the shit, like its got a real steep learning curve before I can start actually playing. Just want to know what kind of time frame I'm looking at, because the game looks really fun once I finally get past that barrier.

>>158285220
pop culture reference, the game

>>158285292
WHO DESERVES MORE CREDIT THAN THE WIFI AT KILIMANJARO I LIKE PIGS

>>158285268
It's why she got with the pink ranger anon. How'd you get her so happy?

>>158285220
Has this game been made for kids? The quotes, the graphics, the icons, the leaders, everything looks like a cartoon

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>>158285268
she kind of looks like Xena
I'll do her sober

>>158285220
The quotes are such dogshite this game.

>>158285340
>not I AM FOND OF PIGS

>>158285381
The funny ones are mostly bad. The serious ones are okay if a little forgettable.

I'm mostly dissapointed with how useless the wonders are

>>158285220
>quotes from ancient plays, popular works of art made to entertain people
>no problem
>quotes from medieval books, popular works of art made to entertain people
>how nice
>quotes from modern movies, popular works of art made to entertain people
>WHAT MADNESS IS THIS?

the only reason you hate it is because it isn't as old. That and you have to fit in with the 4chan LELHATE POP CULTURE crowd.

>>158285412
A lot of quotes from civ 5 and 4 are new and they're good.
Petra even had Indy quotes, but nobody minded that

>>158285412
The reason is because the quotes from ancient plays and medieval books are from classics i.e. the only ones we remember. Nobody got mad at the Tolkein quote. Nobody would get mad at a Tale of Two Cities quote.

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>>158285345
Her hidden agenda was the one about not messing with her city states. Since she was half-way across the map, that was easy. The rest was just not backstabbing her, and some trading. I just figured out that the pose right there with her hand on sword hilt & hip is when you're in an alliance with her.

Also, pic related.

>pushing japan's teeth in but have to make peace because greece is sneaking up my bootyhole with the sneaky trojan tactic
>try to make peace with japan, offer empty peace agreements
>refuses
>ok
>ff 1 turn, japan makes peace offering me 400+ gold, 5 gpt and 1 iron
>??????

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I didn't yield anything, I wasn't even in a war what's going on why is she angry with me? I deleted a scout that was going to die to barbarians, is she angry because of that?

>>158285412
I want some real history in the quotes not some meme flick references and jokes

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So what map settings have you guys tried out so far in Civ6? so far I like fractals with low sea level the most (just like civ5)

I'm trying to go for the Deity win achiv

But everytime the game ends the same way
I get raped by a civ or barbs while every has 4 city up and I didnt even get my second

>>158285467
Gorgo will literally be mad at you for not being in a war with someone, or for giving up something in exchange for peace.

She's the snu snu civ.

>>158285412
Might be cool if you made the quote from a modern movie actually good.

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>>158285467
Because you're a pussy and not at war
>doing culture victory
>neighbour is Teddy
>mfw 4000 year eternal friendship
COMFY

>>158285467
Cougar Gorgo doesn't like the fact you're inexperienced, never been in a war, and whatever hidden agenda.

>>158285356
>Has this game been made for kids?

Yes. The goal is to compete with "Clash of [fill in the blank]" phone games

>>158285528
That looks comfy af

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>>158284148
>Not being within the Top 10
lmao

This was also King

>>158285462
The pose is probably when she's happy with you. I know Cleo's changes

>>158284148
>List includes Joan of Arc, Charles de Gaulle, Louis XVI
> Catherine de Medici leads France in-game

thanks firaxis

>>158285528
Default Continents really
It just werks

>>158285528
Islands is pretty fun. I've been trying to find an ideal Egypt start but I come up short frequently.

>>158285623
Where is Sargon?

>>158285632
Yeah my bad, it's just when you have a declared friendship (which you need for an alliance) with her. This game is weird in that your friendship can lapse but if you're in an alliance you can't re-friend them until the alliance is over. Whatever.

>>158285608
>it's a game for kids!
>it's also very mechanically and strategically complicated
Something doesn't add up here

>>158285623
some victories just give way more score. science is pretty low

Can I remove a district?

>>158285528
That's pretty cool, famille

Continents are the worst. They are so boring - literally just two spherical landmasses with no islands, a desert in the middle and random mountains instead of logical ranges even with 3bn. The worst.

>>158285765
Nope

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>>158285735
>complicated
Culture victory is complicated? Explain this.

>>158285735
I played civ 2, Alpha centauri knights and merhcnats, capitalism tycoon and transport tycoon as a kid. Kids arent that retarded. English wasn't my native language either

>>158285735
So? If you play it on the easier difficulties you can win by just pressing the end turn button

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>mfw turn 454 science victory

Legitimately don't even know what I could have done better desu

I've had sub 250 religion and dom victories and sub 350 culture victories, but science is just so fucking slow.

What's the best 2nd government form for Japan if going for science victory? All seem good..

>>158285918
Put all caravans in your cities producing spaceship parts. Get that policy that gives +5 production for foreign trade.
Click next turn a lot.
be amazed at how your ruhr valley city still takes 25 turns to churn out a single part of the wonder
curse at yourself for not having built more spaceports
chop down every tree
click next turn a lot while shooing away all leaders (HEY BRO YOUR NAVY SUCKS DENOUNCED)

>>158285779
I've started up on an island with room for about half a dozen cities on two occasions when playing on continents. Though I've also sometimes gotten two big landmasses and only a few 2-3 hex islands in the middle.

I love the concept of continents, but there's a lot they could do to improve it.

>>158285918
There are specific late game great people who hasten it, pick them up.

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>>158286078
>HEY BRO YOUR NAVY SUCKS DENOUNCED

Natural Wonders seem to be pretty useless compared to Civ V, right?

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>>158285467
>at war with at least one neighbour since turn 8
>never get denounced by Gorgo
>get surprise war declared a hundred turns in instead

Enjoy your tech lead while you can woman, I'm taking everything

>>158285918
Science victory is the domination victory for people who just want to press next turn instead of bothering to build and move all the units that it would take to win the game militarily.
It's not supposed to be done basically.

>>158286408
Keep in mind that part of the value of a natural wonder is the ability to put districts beside it for big adjacency bonuses. And later there's parks & tourism.

>>158286078
>industrial capital takes 1 turn to produce a battleship
>takes 25 turns to produce a spaceship part

wew lad
its like the game is giving me a hint

>>158286170
You can say that again.

Bleak and uninspiring continents were what drove me to try other maps and fiddle with the settings. Fractal was fun for a while but got samey after a while. Arborea made the large and empty swaths of plains bearable. But then custom map scripts came and btfo anything of firaxis make.

Communitas map is still so fucking comfy.

>>158285467
You won't be so smug when i rape you and raze your lands

>Ghandi is complaining that I have no nukes
>its turn 29
fug

>>158286474
I still miss the big straight up bonus you got in 5 though. It's not as exciting to find one anymore.

>>158286562
le epik wifi quote

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>tfw your ally denounces you for entering a joint war with them against a common foe
>tfw it was a joint war that they proposed

Was this an epic political ruse to ruin my reputation? Is the Civ 6 AI that clever?

I like the day-night cycle in this desu. You can even see the lights/fire when it's night

>>158286551
>Cat is complaining about me not using spies
It's ancient era, what the fuck's a spy?

>>158286623
I just wish the day night thing didn't spaghetti out every time you built a wonder

tfw the earth spins out of control to provide neat lighting because you built a really cool lighthouse

>>158279397
Any must have mods for Civ V?

>>158286408
The main problem is that a core city will usually have five or more districts. This means five or more tiles out of the available 36 you're able to work in a city are rendered useless by the district occupying them. This isn't counting the utility districts like Neighborhoods and Aqueducts either.

Tile yields only matter to a young, newly made city. Once it's at 7 pop or higher, all you need is a triangle-farm for food and then you can devote the rest of your pop to luxuries and districts.

>>158284771
what are the bonuses of the acropolis? Apart from the ones from being unique district.

>>158286693
Enhanced User Interface

>>158286603
>Gorgo: -6 for not adhering to their agender
After a joint war proposed by Roosevelt
>Gorgo: +6 for adhering to their agender, -24 for warmongering

You just can't win.

>>158285061
>Overpowered tier:
>>Greeks
I'm finding the extra policy slot a lot less powerful than I thought it would be, considering how lackluster most of the cards are. Pretty much only good for getting your religion early.

>>158286693
CBP/VP if you feel like vanilla is getting stale.

>>158286658
You get a level of access by sending delegations to other civs, it's not quite spying, but it'll do for the purposes of keeping her at bay.

>>158286705
Extra culture adjacency for districts and city center. I think it's +1 for districts and +2 for center.

>>158286658
>gorgo is complaining im weak and running from battle
>been a warmonger the entire game, erased two civs and have their capitals, captured 3rd capital and working on erasing arabia atm

>>158285456
>Nobody got mad at the Tolkein quote

they actually did. People would post the lotr quote at release all day.