/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless and 4X Games General

this game is broken :(((

Reminder to report and ignore shitposting.

The turns really take too long desu

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CARTHAGO

FROM THE FIRST STIRRINGS OF LIFE BENEATH WATER

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>>158298118
DELENDA

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>1 year until stellaris is fixed
>1 year until endless is even released
>6 months until Civ VI is fixed

So, did we even get a single fucking official word from the lead designers, Civ's PR team or Firaxis on the state of the game, or is all the "game journalism" shilling hiding to them the fact their game is broken to shit ?

I heard Pete Murray took an unexpected vacation too, coincidentally for just after the game's release

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>>158298118
>>158298252
W-why?

>>158298049
R&I btfo

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>>158298280
>4 days until Halloween Steam Sale.

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>>158298252
EST

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name a more comfy start

Anyone still play Endless Legend? How am I supposed to play The Forgotten?

razing city states is a fucking terrible idea.
basicaly renders them useless, what's the point of envoys if another player will just roflstomp the CS you pyt envoys in?

>can't finish my Montezuma domination game because game crashes every time I take a city

>>158298375
the game looks quite pretty before it gets overrun by 10000x disparate districts and tile improvements

So can you build any districts on floodplains or are they useless? This is very important for the placement of my next city.

>>158298687
idk, what does the civilopedia say? Sometimes the entries are actually useful and cover everything

>>158298284
>get rekt
>whine about samefagging
>while shooting himself in the foot

>>158298684
And IIRC they advertised like you could easily tell them apart because of their colors and shit. It was completely opposite for me, I mixed everything up

So the consensus is that Mass Drivers are better than Nuclear Missiles now?

Are Wormholes still the best FTL choice?

I think Im just about done with VI

Every time I meet another civ they instantly hate me in 6 turns then bum rush me

no matter what difficulty I pick dealing with their shit every round is the worst. to top it off they crank out units like crazy.

Once the game is patched and dlc added I'll try it again but for now its an unfun cheesefest

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>a frigate unleashes a broadside on my battleship
>the hit audio changes into a harmless clanking of iron balls on steel hull
>mfw

It's the little things.

>start as Saladin
>get free prophet without even caring about prophet points
>get tons of faith because of Madrasa and basically free Faith buildings
>get theocracy
>buy Mamluk army with faith
>conquer the world without ever stopping to heal because Mamluks are broken as hell

feels pretty good, not gonna lie

>>158298501
nab those city states and make a solid landmass

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>>158298763
It just has the historical context of floodplains.

BUT Egypt's ability is that floodplains do not block the placement of wonders or districts.

Because I wanted to do this kind of layout for that sweet +4 gold in my commerce hub.

>>158298775
No I'm the guy 61 seconds before you who told the hater to fuck off
I wasn't sure if you were setting up to call samefag.

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>>158298814

>anything but forced hyperdrives

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kek

>build my first wonder in the entire game
>China has denounced you! (You have more wonders they than do.)

What the fuck are they even doing

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>get a 100k fleet in range of the Dimensional Portal
>no way to tell them to stop worrying about the 200k fleets spawning, accept their death, and SHOOT THE FUCKING PORTAL

>>158299064
What?

Why would I want that?

>>158298608
What's the issue? Make doge, harass neighbors with spies, don't engage in war unless you have a major advantage to rely on.

>>158299179
Because if you were the whining faggot then you might samefag calling out samefag
I've seen it happen before.

>>158298910
>It's the little things.

ikr
>upgrade eagle warrior to swordman
>its a jaguar warrior

>>158298846
they should drop the hidden agenda bullshit. The open agendas are bad enough and they trigger practically immediately after you meet a civ.

For example Cleopatra will always be #triggered because a human player will never have bigger army score than AI unless you buy unnecessary units like an idiot

They should either patch the agendas so they are ONLY positive ones ("likes you if X", without "dislikes you if Y" part) or that you seriously need to fuck up to trigger the diplomatic penalty.

>>158299245
>found a religion
>kongo hates you literally that fucking turn
Calm down nigger I couldn't buy a missionary if I wanted

>>158298994
the game itself appears to be broken as hell.

no one around me is building up-to-date military units although theyre ahead of me in tech

>>158299156
What game? im new

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>>158299245
>meet France
>'silly cave man! y u not into spies?'

>>158299238
But why were you quoting me instead of him, exactly?

>>158299056
map pins are truly a godsend feature in this mess of a game
>>158299146
as I said earlier, they need to tone down how much AI cares about the ideas. like make it 3 times less impactful or sth.

>>158299413
This shit is so bad
>hates you for having less spies than her
>but she literally gets an extra spy and an era earlier

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...should I be scared?

>>158299245
maybe lowering the dislike gain to 1 point instead of fucking 3 or 6 for their triggers would help, maybe every 15 turns or so add one more dislike until you patch things, and increase the range on the like/dislike bar

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>>158299306
>ayy gimme back the spy that was detsroying your industrial district, also give me open borders
king nigger is just spiteful

>>158299442
Because if he was trying to setup for samefag he'd pretend to be me (you)? I thought you might be him.

>>158299502
>open borders

>>158299461
no, Kongonigger is by far the worst offender.

Saladin will call you a fucking heathen the moment you have your own religion, but that's oddly accurate

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>act tough
>act superior
>keeps asking me to become a vassal
>gets rejected every time
>still won't declare war on me

This guys is like imperially friend-zoned or something.

He's my neighbor, hasn't closed borders or rivaled me despite them hating my ass to hell and back, they haven't declared war on me once. They still keep asking me to become vassal every fucking month.

This must be what it's like to be a girl at a bar being hit on by a creep who won't take no for an answer.

>>158299085
Why's that?

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My starting borders are drowning in pre-space civs
AAAAAA

>>158299237
I'm pretty new so it's mostly the fact I'm still figuring out what to do with them. Are they particularly high skill cap because I feel a little bit lost about when to do certain espionage actions

Any good tutorial/explanation or tip videos for Civ VI?

Can someone tell me how to properly progress? I always tend to make too much or too little troops.
In my previous game I was immediately beset by a horde of barbarians so I had too spend many turns producing troops to hold them at bay and eventually destroy them. By that time I was too far behind.

In other events I had a peaceful start and a civ will always declare war at you at one point in the game. I feel like I am missing the balance between progress and protection.

>every AI denounces me every 10 turns
>every AI wants me to give them my luxuries every ten turns

who designed this shit? if you hate me, leave me the fuck alone or man up and fight, faggot.

>>158300138
This isn't a noteable get.

why am i missing the policies button in stellaris, its just not there
is it locked behind some research ? in youtrube videos people have it from day 0

>start out as China
>rush out Stonehenge for an early religion so I can eventually get a religious victory
>get some other wonders out while I'm at it
>suddenly Pedro shows up with 3 apostles
>don't have a holy site to build my own apostles because I was focusing on rushing wonders
>3 turns later my religion is completely wiped out

Clearly I didn't think this through.

>>158299851
They are one of the non standard factions, yeah. Basically all EL factions are unique, but for some it's bonuses on top of standard gameplay, for others it's a radical alteration there of. Forgotten are among the later category, it's not black and white, but generally you should avoid cult and BL too. If you are newcomer to the game two factions you should start with are vaulters or wild walkers, former is more geared towards tall, later towards wide. Once you've gotten a good grasp on basics you can pick any faction and it will be less overwhelming. Thing is - EL mechanics are intuitive, but they are many, and they interlock, so when dealing with something like forgotten, you have to use most of the games systems for complete expirience, meanwhile in WW/Vaulter game you can avoid ever opening espionage tab and lose almost nothing by it.

>>158300228
Rightmost button on the top left tabsl.
More -> Policies & Edicts

Or hit f8.

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So in Civ 5 I could turn out units in my big production cities pretty quickly, but from what I am reading that's not really possible in 6? I honestly didn't wage war in 6 until the medieval period due to lack of units, and only because I could buy them with faith. Seems like the lack of war mongering in the early eras is completely wasted.

Also district cost scales with the amount of cities you have? Sheiiiiiiiiiit

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ANY ETA ON UPCOMING PATCHES FOR CIV6?

I legit want to buy the game and support it, but after playing a few matches on the pirated version I felt like I played a beta.

>>158300437
thank you anon, i can finally enslave the damn oogaboogas that were left on my brand new planets

Reposting from previous tread, thanks to the anon who compiled it.

>You can sell outside your borders
>You can sell used builders, leading to a dupe exploit where you can deforest half the map in exchange for tons of free shit
>Production costs scale globally, instead of per civilization as they obviously should
>There's not even enough strategic resources for everyone, even if you use encampments/harbors so you only need one
>One uranium allows you to build infinite nukes, leading to crazy serial escalation
>Horse units are the most OP units in the game
>Barbarians get hordes of Classical units on Turn 10, and will ALWAYS be up to tech with you, meaning Barbarian Caravels and Field Cannons in the Renaissance
>AI still doesn't escort its fucking settlers and even manages to lose them in extreme cases
>AI doesn't know how adjacency bonuses work and can't plan for shit
>AI doesn't even try to grab the wonders it needs for its victory
>Counterespionage is useless due to single district defense. You get more use offensively
>Most of the unique improvements are useless because they don't give food or hammers
>Gold buying costs are through the fucking roof
>Barbarian Scouts spawn endlessly in the fog, which means international trade is fucking impossible
>New movement rules makes foot melee worthless and foot ranged barely passable
>Barbarians make sorties from their camps when it's obviously a bad idea
>AI sees zero problems in plopping down a completely unprotected city right between my two main cities
>Declaring even a single war past Classical, even if properly justified, leads to you become North Korea, meaning warfare is an all or nothing affair
>AIs hate eachother but won't declare war because warmonger penalty and military overbuild, leading to retarded stand-offs
>Agoge and co. are broken, period. Half hammer cost on unit is double sell value + free spam

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Is there an option or something to prevent game from auto picking next unit? I keep clicking units during animations and when I go to click move command the game switches selection on its own because the animation completed.

Explain the unit sell glitch?

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>Pop unhappy
>ethics divergence
>X Liberation movement

>Pop unhappy
>ethics divergence
>Y Liberation movement

>Pop unhappy
>ethics divergence
>W Liberation movement

>Pop unhappy
>ethics divergence
>Z Liberation movement

I have ~14 planets and haven't even conquered a single AI empire how the fuck am i meant to play this game.

>>158300646

use chopchop if you want to war in ancient era

after that its better to settle down and build up your empire than try to conquer

Tall or Wide? Why?
I've read that wide is worse since the disctrict production cost increases dramatically the more you build in your empire, but I've also had people say Wide is the only way to go.

>>158301069

Create cheap production unit with Agoge, sell unit for 50 % of cash value (which is a fuckload as you may have noticed), use money to buy buildings, Traders

The second part of the glitch is that used Builders still sell for full. So you use all but one charge of your Builder and then immediately sell the fucker. Basically you pay half a builder's normal cost for 2/3rd at the start, up to 5/6th with Pyramids and Serfdom

Finally, this works outside your borders, so if a unit is about to be killed you literally just sell it. This also works if the unit has spent all its movement points for the turn, since delete is a free action

Is there a place to check my current warmonger status?

>>158301267

unlike civ 5 there's no arbitrary number to follow for what can be considered "tall" or "wide" (in civ 5 tradition vs liberty policies and global happiness dictated expansion)

just fill out the space you have available between 4-8 cities. Beyond that districts get too expensive.

Personally I prefer Tall super cities since I get to chop more trees per city and getting lots of districts > cities imo

Anyone got the combat formula yet? I can't wrap my head around it. 5 damage seems bonus seems like a shitload but it seems kinda underwhelming too depending on the era.

>>158301286
My God.

>>158301472
There is no evidence that more cities cause districts to be more expensive. We talked about this last thread.

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>Recently having a mega hardon on space conquest because of watching LotGH
>Never played any grand strategy or 4x game
>I consider myself a solid and avid gamer
>do my research, 3 games pop out, crack em, try em
>Space Rangers HD, Distant World: Universe, Homeworlds remaster
>Like DW:U the most even if I don't understand a damn thing and everything is on automation

I know it's probably the most complex 4x game but it really seems to be worth time investing. I'm just overwhelm and don't know how to handle it, got any tips?

>>158301426
>implying it matters

they're gonna hate you anyway

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damn barbs are vicious

>>158301532

more cities no, each district made yes, so what's the difference?

>>158301557
Do the tutorial.
Then start a game in the earliest possible age, with 0 empires and 0 pirates. You'll get to discover stuff very slowly instead of being overwhelmed.

Endless space 2 early access worth the 30 bucks? Or should i just spend it on Endless Legend

So is settling your cities 6 tiles apart from each other the best thing you can do?
Is there any downside to just plopping down as many cities as you want?

Some things that need fixing.

Barbarian scouts should be able to steal your workers, settlers and pillage your improvements and trade routes (they do that sometimes, but only by coincidence)
When fortifying or healing, that action should occur at the end of the turn (so if you change your mind you can give your units different orders).
Skipping away from the screen without being prompted to, particularly after putting an unit to sleep or whatever and jumping to the next unit without orders.


Also, is there any way to take screens from the game? Because I always get a black screen with PRT.

>>158301606
>doesn't have a single archer on the border of his nation
>not even stationed within the city

for what purpose

>>158301626

Each district made GLOBALLY

There's no winning it, although settling early makes all the difference in the world

Another theory is that it scales on Civics researched. Needs some testing, clearly. Can you play Solo if you disable all victories but Time ?

>>158301530
i dont even understand how they could overlook this when it was impossible to sell units outside of your borders in 5.

Also you can literally soft lock your game if you have an apostle near an enemy city and he has a carpet of military around it. If he happens to create a unit and it spawns on your apostle (because there is no other place for it) you cannot end your turn since the game wants you to move but every direction is blocked by military and you cant sell apostles so you cannot press the end turn button.

>>158301532
>>158301626
I just googled and found a reddit post that says it scales with tech/civic advancement rather than with each district.
Also it costs 25% less if you have less of that district than the average player.

>>158301751
got an army of crossbows marching north
the wave hit while I was busy conquering Kongo

>>158301557
Oh yeah, I forgot about this.
TURN OFF AUTOMATONS.

You think it's helping by taking some tedious stuff away from you, TURN IT ALL OFF until you understand precisely what they do.
Otherwise, you'll end up with your ships moving around without getting orders and it'll be annoying as fuck.

Other than that, what I said in >>158301651, starts in the earlier age, with some neutral planets, but no empire and no pirates. In Distant Worlds, you have a shitload of ressources to take in consideration, and a quick start can have you neglecting important ressources, so start slowly. AND DO THE TUTORIAL.

>>158301870
You should have a minimum of one ranged unit at the borders of your empire AT ANY COST. The gain you get from having it on the front cannot even compare to the gain you get from preventing a district(s) from being plundered and having to repair it later

>>158301286
>>Create cheap production unit with Agoge, sell unit for 50 % of cash value (which is a fuckload as you may have noticed)
Don't forget that with Scythia, producing light horses with the double cav policy literally gives you enough money to buy twice the production you actually spent.

You know what lads?

I'm feeling like jumping into Endless Legend. It's been sitting on my "to play" list for far too long now, and since Civ 6 is a broken mess right now I guess I might as well go for it

Could you give me any general advice from a civ to EL player? Probably gonna start with Vaulters

>>158301874
Did you play this game a lot? It seems so massive. Tell me about how is the rewarding experience for yourself. I'm really interested in that.

I'll follow your tips.

>>158297990
stop posting completely unrelated anime faggot images in OP please.

So how bad is Civ 6?

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>buy stellaris
>tfw its a casual version of europa universalis with complexity replaced by basic 4x mechanics
>tfw theres nothing to do
>tfw civ 6 has more complexity
I should have bought battlefield 1 instead.

I know this is a silly question, but where is the ideal place to actually build farms? Next to rivers?

>>158302192
It's fun, but it's broken. Quite a few bugs and exploits, questionable design decisions, and poor interface that doesn't let you know everything that you need to know

>>158299405
Stellaris

>>158302192
Has good concepts, but seems rushed and unbalanced

Will be fixed within a year and a couple of DLCs no doubt

Wow, this Stellaris 1.3 is just fucking shit.

Enemy AI can counter your ships without being able to scout because they can fucking magically know wtf you're building and hard counter your shit while you can't see shit that they have because they close their borders.
Basically you get hard countered to fucking oblivion regardless of wtf you do.

>>158302192

I'd honestly wait for patches (LOL) or expansion/DLC.

The game has:
- Horrible balance issues
- The worst AI in Civ history
- A really cumbersome UI thats hard to visually understand
- Boring as hell midgame made worse by having to manually deal with traders and spies.

>>158302068
Play wild walkers first they are the most vanilla.

Read all the techs and what they do but realize you can't and won't need to get all of them. Get the stuff you want and experiment but get at least one armor or weapon upgrade tech per age.

>>158302192

good core but a lot of stuff was obviously not tested thoroughly, left unpolished, rushed out the door etc. Tree chopping is broken, tech and civics trees need a lot of work and Religious victory is extremely 1 dimensional and fundamentally impossible to achieve in a MP game.

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Making gold 101:

>find a buffed city state
>start spamming settlers and cities around it
>send a trader from each new city to repeat the same trade
>???
>+200 gold per turn

>>158302486
>fundamentally impossible to achieve in a MP game.
Wait how come? I've never played civ MP so I don't know how it goes.

>>158302584

nothing stopping another player from just declaring war and killing all your missionaries/apostles

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Remember, it's not warmongering if it's against Germans.

>>158302192
Much better than CiV was at launch. Once the launch issues are fixed it will probably be slightly worse than CiV was when Gods & Kings was released. Much of the stuff that was introduced in the expansion packs is there (spies, trade, religion) but either a very barebones level. As far as the game goes its quite fun up to the modern era/atomic era (eureka moments make the game more active and discourage min/max strats) but then it becomes a slog. Brave New World style improvements are very much needed for the mid/late game.

>>158302120
I launched Distant Worlds twice. For a total of 17 hours. I'm scared of launching it now because of that, because I usually play 30-50 minutes at best.

The reward is... Well, I'd say it's great. The automatons are a pain in the ass, because I came out of Star Ruler and its "lol units will break formations to refuel", so when my ships started making fleets by themselves, I was very annoyed and considered a refund.
Then I turned off automatons, and it became really fun, if really slow.
I started on a normal system, built a space port, build a scout, a construction ship, looked at my empire to see what ressources I needed, and built a gas mining station to get Cesium (fuel). Then I found a warp drive, and I finally became able to explore outside of my solar system.

The game is pretty forgiving (ships that run out of fuel don't die like in Star Ruler), and the economy works like in Total War : there's a private sector with insane revenue, and you can grab up to 50% of it, but it'll cripple your economy, so it's better to have low taxes for better growth.
But what I like with Distant Worlds is that your decision will influence your empire economy. For example, if you build a space ports, private contractors will use it to build private freighters and move goods and people from one planet to another. And YOU get paid, since the space port belongs to you, so YOU get paid by your citizens to build them stuff.
And you can build some really fun stuff : a science station near a black hole, mining stations...

I remember that last time I played the game, I built a resort station near a supernova, for sceneries bonuses. I made so much dosh I cut all taxes down to 0%.
And if you don't like playing a nice empire, you can play as fucking space pirates, and they play very differently.

I'm going to stop talking about it now, because otherwise I'll launch it again and wake up in 6 hours, dehydrated and hungry.

>>158302657
I actually don't see anything wrong with this. Not like it couldn't happen in real life too.

What I have issues with is Diplo victory being turned into Religious victory. What was the problem with straight up Diplo/Eco victory?

How do district regional AOEs work?
What's the optimal polacement between cities (and their districts) to maximize the bonuses?

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>play huge map as India
>lose out on making a religion cause Norway being a dick about my no boats and focused on expansion
>mfw

That's cool of you Japan, I'll kill you last.

>>158302772

diplo victory was literally just throw money at city states and the UN was silly

it was probably just being reworked but they didn't have a finished model for it before release so its been bookmarked for DLC I'd guess

Religious victory needs a rework, it's literally just shitting out apostles from the moment you get them until you win and it has literally no answer for someone declaring war on you besides going and conquering them, at which point you're just doing domination and not religion

That's positive aspect of trade, I suppose.

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>>158302229
>complexity replaced
Hahah, if you think that part is true just neck yourself. The only difference between eu 4 and stellaris in compelxity is because eu 4 has abazillion DLCs each of which added a new minigame to the basic structure. go play vanillau eu4 and get back to me.
>wanting to play nigglefield
run, dont walk, to the rope store.

>>158302971
I like pigs

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Is Stellaris supposed to be fun yet? I can't stand having the game open for more than 10 minutes

If I've never played either, what's better to start with?

Endless Legend or Endless Space?

>>158303041
Wifi

>>158303104
Endless Space is SF, Endless Legend is SF/Fantasy.

I prefer Endless Space's combat, but it's Amplitude's first game, so Endless Legend is better, and the AI cheats less.

Can a white and based anon show me all of spain's distinct unit models in CiV 6?

(Not just how their unique units look, I'm also interested in standard units with some visual differences beyond the color palette)

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How the fuck can I get this kind of fleets? Like, what the fuck does the AI do to afford this? I can't get my fucking fleet cap anywhere near the amount required to have this kind of fleet with 7 planets like the AI does. I have 6 planets and I might be able to get like 180 fleet cap with every star base maxed out and that one edict on maybe over 200 if I get a government form that gives a bonus, but how the fuck do this assholes afford multiple fleets like this with 10-15 planets? That's not fucking possible without sacrificing all the research labs for minerals and credits and these fuckheads haven't sacrificed anything when it comes to research.

>>158303108
miner's wives

>>158302738
fatty

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>>158302771
I'll take on your curse anon. RIP.

>>158302738
>Have the numbers to definitively tip the balance of the Crusades in favor of the Christians
>Fucking drown in a river and have your troops return home, Jerusalem reconquered in the process

JUST

>>158301095
Individualist, materialist, (any other ethos but I prefer xenophile for more happiness or militarist for better warfare). Direct democracy, make sure you get the communal and conformist trait.

Direct democracy gives a permanent happiness modifier (doubled after you rea search advanced government forms), communal gives a permanent happiness modifier, conformist helps with ethics divergence. Democracy gives you a couple free leaders every election. Society research gives you shit to increase habitability and happiness with xenophile exclusive buildings. Paradise dome gives a planet wide happiness and habitability boost and produces food.

I recommend liberating planets and making them your vassel as opposed to directly taking them because the ethics divergence might fuck you.

Fanatic spiritualist and divine mandate is also OP with a -50% ethics divergence modifier if you're just a warmonger

>>158302924
it's a shame because city states in 6 are so much better. I hated them in 5 for being god awful money sinks and i did most of their quests in lategame by accident because i couldnt be arsed to check them. The quests were shit too.

>>158303104
Endless Space still has quite a few issues.
Endless Legend is a far more developed and well designed product.
Still if you prefer Sci-Fi to Fantasy, you might go for ES, but are just looking for best 4x expirience, EL is definetly way to go. Do yourself a favor and start as vaulters or wildwalkers.

>>158302738
Played his as mostly a peaceful industrious civ, then I played against him. I knew then that I did it wrong.

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>>158303185
I'll let the anon that responds Phillip my anus desu

>>158303181
wasnt endless space combat that garbage with the 3 turn card game thing?

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He just randomly told me how cool my German empire is. What a nice, bro.

Maybe I should ally with him some time in the future.
What do you guys think?

>>158303281
I always get enthusiastic with games I like. Seven Kingdoms 2, Distant Worlds...

To my great shame, I played that game for 17 hours, but I honestly can't say how diplomacy or spying works. I know spying is based on missions, the shorter the mission is, the greater are the risks, but I never tried it against an empire, only against pirates. And you shouldn't provoke pirates, they're stronger than you when the game starts, and they're advantaged when it comes to hit-n-run.

However, they're themselves extremely vulnerable against attacks, so if you find their constructor ship, you can fuck them up.

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>>158303474

Just show me the models please

I'm currently broke so I can't buy the game for a few weeks.

>>158303504
>Some of you guys are alright
>Don't ally France next turn

>>158303504
yes and also ally Trajan

>>158303104
Legend is just better. If you want the space stuff just wait for ES 2

>>158303504
You should find Trajan and ally with him, too. You could all be aligned, on an axis so to speak.

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Does picking one of the three late game ideologies/government affect your relations with civs differing in government in civ 6?

>>158303694
>>158303404
Okay.

Also, it seems I'm missing two DLC's for EL: Shifters and Tempest.
Am I missing out on a lot without those (ie shouldn't play the game without them installed)? Or is it okay to just grab them later?

>>158303492
Compared to Endless Legend's, it's fun.

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Was playing a game with a friend, he got a cultural victory, so I decided to play just one more turn and nuke him for fun.
Two interesting things happened:
>He wasnt notified who nuked him, and we were still allies after the nuke. No other remaining AI civ commented on the Nuke blowing up in the world.
>Somehow every single one of my cities knew it was me that shot that nuke in the middle of the ocean from a sub, and my entire empire went into rebellion.

Is this normal?

>>158302576
Don't forget the Civic that gives you +2 gold for each trade route

>/gsg/ autism has incentivized the resuscitation of a general that is now more active than it

Pottery

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Is it worth getting used to playing without "Show Yield Icons" ticked?

I personally can't imagine playing without it.

>>158302576
What is "buffed city state"?

>>158303581
My only real concern is how should I approach combat/engagement in this game, since there's diplomacy side of it which I'm not used to. I want to conquer by force in a monarchic state, hence the Imperial Galactic hardon from LotGH. Of course I'll be good and spare people's lives as far as I can do it. But sacrifice will be made. It must be made. For the best of our galaxy.

Pirate scum will get what they deserve tho.

I do suppose the game must be 90% decision making and 10% combat. I don't mind if it makes those little moment more rewarding. adventure>destination

>>158303994
He means the policy card that gives +2 gold per trade route you mong.

>>158303968
why would you even consider turning it off?

>doing my own thing, trying to get my tiles in order
>meet England, exchange delegates
>eventually see a couple of warriors on my border
>come the fuck on
>SURPRISE WAR

Doesn't she like civs that are on her continent? I haven't even expanded yet, what the fuck.

>>158303826
Shifters make winters meaningful gameplay and not just that time when everyone's economy is fucked.

Tempest makes seas meaningful, and not just that thing you use to walk between continents.

They aren't mandatory, but you will be missing a on a lot of good gameplay if you don't have them.

>>158304034
Well, from what I saw, combat is real-time based.
I admit I spend most of my time trying to find another planet to colonize and watching my economy develop.

It's comfy as fuck. Maybe even more comfy than Banished.

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WHY WONT YOU LET US INTO THE GALAXY.

ORGANICS GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEE

>>158303193
Anything above normal difficulty and the AI starts cheating on fleet size like a motherfucker somehow. It's fucking ridiculous.
>playing on hard
>AI with 3-4 less planets than me has a fleet half again as big as mine with better tech
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>158303994
>>158304062
No, apart from the policy card and choosing Cleopatra, there are some city states that happen to give a fuckload of base gold (I happened to be lucky to end up next to one - 12g in this case). Find that one and start spamming cities around it. Send a new trade to it from every new city and boom - you can literally buy every single building and unit in the game without having to care about production.

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>>158297990
Do you roleplay when playing 4X games?
I do when playing Stellaris.

>>158303932
/gsg/ is primarily composed of loadsa pompous blobbing cunts that think they're geniuses

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>Reasons for our relationship:
>+2 Unknown Reason
>+7 Unknown Reason
>-2 Unknown Reason
>+6 Unknown Reason

>Relationship: Unfriendly

When the fuck is this AI getting patched?

>>158302380
have you considered not using shit for weapons?

>>158304118
Because I see other people playing with it off and I think "huh I wonder if I should get used to playing with it off."

Plus the game just looks cleaner and nicer with it off.

>>158304118
because the game automatically turns them off when you start a new game. It's annoying as fuck. It might even turn them off when you load a save file but i dont remember right now.

It also doesnt save your settings for "create game" so you have to select your non-prince difficulty of choice or your map settings every time.

>>158304197
Okay, I'll see if I can pick them up this sale.

What would you say are the main differences between EL and Civ? Just to prepare myself for the different mindset.

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>>158304235
Go away, Fart.

>>158304253
Yes
I roleplay as Hitler every time I play as Germany.

>>158304265

the agendas almost all basically amount to "I hate you because you're doing well"

I guess this is Firaxis's way of trying to get the AI to help garbage players?

>olaying as Tokimune
>reached Atomic Era
>soundtrack changes to Deus Ex synths
My hearing is augmented

>>158304452
The AI just needs more positive reasons to like you.

Is it true that Endless Space 2 will basically retcon Endless Space completely instead of being a sequel to it?

The chronology goes Dungeon of the Endless, Endless Legend, Endless Space 2 then?

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civ 6 tier list
>top tier
scythia
aztecs
sumeria
rome

>good tier
japan
brazil
germany
greece (both)
china
egypt

>meh tier
india
spain
arabia
russia

>why bother
norway
england

france

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>stellaris
>encounter silver sphere leviathan
>2 research project that take forever
>+4 to physics, society, engineering in that system

>>158301579
Not necessarily. Not if I tend to their agenda needs.

>>158301870
>blatant lying
Kongo is not in that game.

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>>158304205
I'll go through all the tutorial and start at the beginning of space exploration and build my colony. I'll feed and learn on your trip and then when I am in a comfortable position, will change to the empire/pirate era to claim the world. Thanks for the talk, that's the only real thing I want out of this place (4chan). It only require 1 anon, to pass the dream of expansion of our own avarices

Enjoy your games dude. Thank you.

>As the first Civ to have found this city-state, enjoy reaping these incredibly strong rewards and getting a ridiculous head start!
Free envoys are ridiculously too good. This is definitely going to benerfed.

>civ super casual
>usually fuck about on prince/king

>can beat emperor no problem on this
>usually 2 eras ahead of the AI

What did they do? Does the AI not understand eurekas or something?

>>158304597
ye

>>158304639

I just finished my island plates game as Norway. Pretty fun to just raid everybody's ass with longboats. You're basically untouchable until cartography.

Berserkers are ass and stave churches suck though, but I gave them them a chance just to make sure.

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>>158304452
But Peter is SUPPOSED to like me, I have culture, science and gold out the ass, which he keeps congratulating me for every other turn (he has the Money Grubber agenda). I don't have any warmonger penalties either, according to the game he has every reason to like me and absolutely zero reason to hate me, AND HE STILL DOES.

I swear to fuck I'm this close to just start playing Sumeria/Scythia and treat every game as Always War because none of these fucking AIs will ever co-operate with you for any reason.

>>158304235
Should i try stellaris? All i read on the steam discussion is that the AI cheats to fuck you up. Im fine with normal difficulty if it means i get a fair game.

How do fleets/corps work? Does it increase power/health or something?

>>158304554
Also
>playing as Tokimune
>found 4 cities in a square-like formation
>build all districts next to each other between those 4 cities
>execute sick_gainz.exe
Build Electronics Factories in every Industrial Zone, throw in the Colosseum in the middle for them amenities and the Science Victory becomes a matter of time. Is Japan the only civ that can afford to go tall in Civ VI?

>>158304407
>What would you say are the main differences between EL and Civ? Just to prepare myself for the different mindset.
6 shares quite a few more similarities with EL than 5 ever did, but main points are as follows:
>No workers
This means tile improvements aren't a thing. There is one district that improves anomalies with shifters, and probably something else that I don't remember/know, but positioning of your city is key to it's success. What to look for will depend on a faction you are playing, but high total fidsi, space to expand (look up optimal city pattens and keep them in mind when settling, they are simple) and production are essencial to good early game.
>Tech bubbles
You don't research all techs for any given era, meaning you pick and chose what to skip and also when to research an outdated tech despite penalties (cost of research goes up based on number of techs researched)
>Meaningful combat
Unit equipment/composition management have a greater role than civ.
>Heroes
Pmuch everything that has to do with them.

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>>158304815
I have the Ai be super far ahead in tech, but only in a beeline towards something. Their militaries are always insanely outdated somehow, even if they have rifles unlocked

>>158304815
they obviously don't because stuff like building a slinger just for the purpose of last hitting a unit with it is well beyond the AI's ability plan.

Same with districts and trade routes and wonders and what you have.

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Go figure

>>158304803
And remember : check which ressources are in short supplies, check if your taxes aren't killing your economy, and check what gas you're using as fuel. It's mostly Cesium if I remember right.

>>158305032
Well fuck. Hopefully they patch it.

Really, it feels like Eurekas was a last-minute change, because I'm consistently hitting Industrial Era around 1000AD, which is all kinds of wrong.

>>158304979
Alright, thanks man! Looking forward to it. What difficulty should I start it on? Is Normal fine or is that going to be hard for a beginner? I usually played on Emperor in Civ

>>158304639
Are all of those top tier civs on top tier because they have cavalry advantage and cavalry is simply broken, or do they have any interesting other bonuses?

>>158304452
>AI to help garbage players
I met egypt bitch on first game. The AI hates you, no matter what.

Why is having a unique district such a big deal?

>>158305095
noted and thanks.

Don't launch it...

>>158305181
You don't like incredibly minor bonuses Anon?

>>158305181
They look cute when you zoom in

>>158304748
>Busy conquering
the kongo is dead anon

>>158305001
>Atomic era
>Norway is attacking me with swordsmen and crossbows
>also a fucking submarine
Something certainly feels wrong.

>>158305181

I dunno about in general, but the German one has half the production time of the ordinary on top of its bonuses, and the commercial/industrial districts are the most important

>>158305228
>Lavra's bonuses
>Incredibly minor
I guess if you're not going for Cultural Victory you could be right...

So.. When are we getting SFM porn of the leaders? I want Victoria as a futa.

>>158305181
half production cost, and they dont count towards population district limit

>>158305209
I'm trying really hard.
Last time I stopped playing, I had a resort station that gave me a lot of money, but I had a shortage of Cesium.

If I were to build advanced mining stations, I would be able to send my scouts further than before.

>>158305135
It depends on how you want to start learning. Normal will try to kick your ass and see if you can handle it, easy will let you explore the system but at a price of teaching you next to nothing about how to play smart.

I forgot to mention quests, they are very important, there are even quests that are competitive like wonders in civ called legendary deeds. Like be first to activate 4 lux resources, or be first to defeat 10 armies. That give wonder esque empire wide bonuses for completion. But normal quests, most of which you will gain by using "parley" (unlocked by era 1 tech) on minor facions can get you a strong early game boost, or reward you with a free tech/units.

>>158305153
p much all the top tier civs have great bonuses for everything.
>scythia
horses for days, but they also have the 50 hp heal on kill for ANY unit regardless of era
>aztecs
bonus amenities for city sprawl, warriors beat anything up in early eras for free workers (that can also rush districts, making them a powerhouse for that)
>sumeria
early game advantage out the ass, barbarian exterminators, ez warmongering
>rome
just all around solid, free monuments in every city for city sprawl+roads and trading posts to all of them, swordsman doesn't need iron to build, better aqueduct
>>158305181
less expensive to produce
bigger bonuses
and it doesn't seem like they even count toward the district limit

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>start a game in Civ 6
>no restart button

>>158305434
I only liked Gorgo and Cleo desu

>>158305434
To be fair, her face looks like it's straight out of porn drawn by Shadman. So I can't blame you.

>>158305434
I get the feeling Cleopatra would be the equivalent to Widowmaker in SFM porn.

>>158305434

Futa Tomyris showing that Scythian hospitality

>>158305568
Wow rude.

Guys I know this is off topic but I'd rather kill myself than go to /tv/ and all of my friends have really shitty taste in shows.

I need a new thing to watch, any suggestions? Bonus points for being set in a historical setting.

Russia isn't the true tundra nation. Congo is.

Flat, featureless tundra is permanently stuck at one food, with no other modifier. You can't make any improvements with builders. Not even farms. The only thing you can do is plant woods on them and then put a lumber mill on those woods.

Unless you're Kongo.

If you're Kongo, once you've planted woods, you can build a Mbanza on the wooded tundra tile. This replaces the Neighborhood district so you can place as many of them as you like.

No citizens are needed to work the tile once you've made it a Mbanza. It just passively provides +5 Housing, +2 Food and +4 Gold.

Congo, the dindu buttfuck Africans, are apparently the masters of turning tundra into something useful. Step aside, Russia.

>>158305512
Okay then, thanks a lot my guy

I'll start with wild walkers I think, or vaulters - since I've heard they're the most noob-friendly. What are your favorite factions?

>>158304639
you know, I forgot kongo, but I'd put them in top tier because neighborhoods are fucking incredible (and you get them super early) and the bonuses for relics and shit are amazing

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>>158305492

So are the Kongo Food/Gold/Production bonuses for Great Works global or in that city only?

I have no idea how anyone could possibly find any of the female characters in civ6 even remotely attractive, when they're all deep in "laugh about their face behind their back with your friends" territory.

Like my dick actually gets a little bit softer every time one of them tells me how awesome my culture is or how they dont like that my soldiers are near their borders even though i havent moved them in 60 turns, they just fucking settled right next to my city.

>>158305861
that city only, if it was global it would be op as fuck seeing as i had 80 production and food from relics at one point

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>>158305676

I haven't watched it in a long time but this was pretty decent at least what i watched of it.

>>158305875
Face doesnt matter when shes sassy and wants to fuck your ass.

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>>158305875
Okay, but what if YOU are the waifu?

>>158305974
I'll check it out, thanks my man

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>>158305676
I really liked this Napoleon TV series

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7ktcT8a49M
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napol%C3%A9on_(miniseries)

>>158305757
Vaulters and Ardent are my favourites. Vaulters provide nice overall bonuses, are simple to utilise and very versatile in my expirience. Ardent, aren't someone I'd recoomend to a newbie, despite not being radically unique, their game tends to be somewhat snowbally, they start weak compared to others, with glass cannon units and meh economic bonuses, but once they get rolling they can truly become absurd. WW vs Vaulters for newbies is a long standing debate, and it comes down to personal preference in my opinion.

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Is this bitch for real?

>>158306279
cute

>>158306197
That actually looks really interesting.
Reminds me of how much I wish the fucking Krauts would make a translated version of Die Deutschen.

>>158306279

Don't worry, you can always raze that tiny insignificant 1 pop city for an EGREGIOUS warmonger penalty.

Seems fair.

>>158306279
Turn that shit into New Orleans

>>158303895
Wait your cities get unhappy if you nuke people?

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Dumbass coming through.
Should I make production improvements or just harvest the tile? From what I understand. harvesting it is just a short term boost, whereas making an improvement is a better long term option.

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>>158297990
We quite literally and figuratively did it Leddit.

Pretty weird game, I spent the whole early age fending off invaders then later on I didn't have to fight a single time and even got three allies out of five

>>158306279
Shit like this keeps turning my civ5 games from cultural victory into conquest

>>158298501
turn off the grids and were talking. Im triggered by people having the grey grids enabled.

>>158305068
Is Gandhi the only leader with a fixed hidden agenda?

>>158306805
That's one smug motherfucker. Well done, anon

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>>158306805
>Will never live in a world where ooga booga is the lingua franca and booga leaf tunics are the hottest new fashion trend

>>158304639
>japan
>good
Adjacency bonus fucking sucks just settle by mountains

>>158306953
I miss those leaders from civ 3 that evolvd with age. shaka Zulu in a suit was top tier.

>>158305978
>Liu Bei's hypocrisy exposed
Instant 10/10

>>158307030
I'd take high quality fixed models over evolving sprite-like art any day desu senpai.

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>>158306279
>that smug

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>>158306953
>Will never shitpost with other anons about the eternal kang on a site initially intended for discussing primitive stick mancala

>>158307126
I bet you hated throne room too

>>158297990
Am I correct in assuming that you cant build districts over strategic resources?

>>158307283
Yeah, if you built them and then revealed the strategic resource, you still get the resource tho

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>>158307283
Yes, and lose them forever.
Enjoy building an encampment on the only source of Niter in the game.

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>Minding my own business on turn 34
>When suddenly
wew what the fuck

>>158307256
I don't even know what that is, I'm a pentababby.

>>158307126
I bet you hated city view too.

>>158307404
It's a city-state.

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>When the AI think its pulling a fast one on you.

>>158307030
>shaka Zulu in a suit

/r/ing pic

I need to see this

>>158307367
>>158307379
Ah.. weird. I have a coal on a hill on which I can't build anything. Are all district not applicable for hills?

What's the quickest way to get amenities

>>158307367
I'm pretty sure you don't unless my game got bugged. If you build you city on them you do but not if it's just a district.

>>158307406
Why the fuck are you commenting on features you don't even know about then
Hell throne room got talked about all the time just in thread

>>158307408
Removing city view was a fucking mistake, I can't find anything in VI

Completely kicked china off the continent but he has a couple of crappy cities right in the middle of the other civs on the other continent and he's only willing to give up a couple of the occupied cities for peace so I'm stuck waiting with with no combat going on that is damaging my units but getting war weariness causing some cites to be on -6 amenities and spawn barbs.

>>158307475
You can't build anything else on it AFTER you've revealed the resource. Enjoy getting cucked from horses.

>>158307496
trade for luxuries

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>>158306279

>Can't demand Civs get their shit away from my borders

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>>158306805
>Difficulty level icons in-game count from 1 to 8
>Difficulty level achievement icons count from 0 to 7

>>158307498
>Why the fuck are you commenting on features you don't even know about then
Because I knew about that particular feature.

>>158307704
>pentababy
>commenting on a feature from C3, not even C4
What?

Is it possible to win a Deity game as Spain by pitting myself against Arabia even if barely know shit about playing Civ VI?

I want some autistic crusader wish fulfillment.

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>>158307469

>>158307627
While having a "0" difficulty level bothers me as well, Deity being represented by the holy number itself is nice.

>>158307379
Wait what, that shit is retarded.

>>158307580
Wow, that is retarded.

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>>158307825

That Shaka aesthetic has no right to be that good.

>>158307762
I've simply seen >>158307825's pic several times in the past, that's it.

>>158307852
>>158307918
Yes, keep listening to the guy who doens't know that horses are revealed turn 0.

>>158307825
This is really stupid.
I love it.

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>mfw I turned off unit auto cycle, shortened tooltip appearance delay and fixed top border map scrolling

>>158305342
>conquering north
>northermost city is Arpinum, a Roman city.
Stop lying, anon. It's pathetic.

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>>158307825
>Black man grows more nourished as he starts wearing wester attire

>>158307825
dang that bitch is so white my tea turned into a pumpkin spice latte.

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>>158305209
I have a free DW protyip: redisgn your mining stations so they have some armor or shield and a couple basic guns. Make the old design obsolete and only produce the armed model from there on out. This will fend off the nuisance level pirate escorts and buy more time for your police escorts to get there.
You DID set up all your escorts in a couple of anti pirate fleets with defense orderas and then set them on automate, right? That way you can focus on building up your warfleet and minmaxing it while your escort blob chases pirates and space critters.

>>158308017
That's not what I meant, I was just referring to horses and maybe iron sometimes occupying a tile that would have been a perfect spot to place a district.

>>158308017
Horses, ok. But Coal is not, Oil neither.. and they cuck my district planning.

>>158307836
There's no level 0 in-game though. The Load Game screen shows Settler as 1 and Deity as 8. It's like the UI devs and the achievement devs didn't even talk to each other.

>>158304951
Game seems fair to me, AI isn't magicking new fleets into existence when I've burned all their spaceports

>>158308113
your reading comprehension is beyond terrible
his army is marching north, from the south, where he conquered the kongo

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>mfw 15 of loading screen so far
wew
atleast it didn't crash yet

>>158308064
Share how, my man

>>158307852
You just lose the ability to build their signature improvement on them, but the resource is still given to you (same shit as Civ V with GP improvements).

I'm watching the Last Kingdom.
Why can the Saxon boy understand and apparently speak Norse?
Even Vikings did that shit better

>>158305530
Would be fine if the game remembered the game setup settings.

>>158308365
Is this confirmed? Please tell me the other anon is retarded.

>>158308212
Distritcts gather strategics.Just the other day the guy posted about his early game holy site working uranium for him

>>158308446
If iron or something appears underneath a district you've built, then yes you do have access to that resource.

>le epic rebellion while I'm at war with someone who acted first

I fucking hate everything

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>Workers now have charges
>They give their lives to build improvements for me
I won't forget their sacrifice.

>>158308292
Put Civ VI's install folder into Windows Defender exclusions.

>>158308307
Unit autocycle: open My Documents/My Games/Sid Meier's Civilization VI/UserOptions.txt, and change
>AutoUnitCycle 1
from 1 to 0.

Tooltip delay: open steamapps\common\Sid Meier's Civilization VI\Base\Assets\UI\ToolTips\PlotToolTip.lua and change
>local TIME_DEFAULT_PAUSE :number = 1.1;
from 1.1 to whatever you want, it's in seconds

Map scrolling on top border: open steamapps\common\Sid Meier's Civilization VI\Base\Assets\UI\WorldInput.xml and change
><Container ID="TopScreenEdge" Anchor="L,T" Size="Full,30" Offset="0,28" />
from 0,28 to 0,0

>>158308775
maybe their contract is just ending?

>>158308775
Protip: Only use them 2 times and then sell them. You get 50% of the investment back because they sell for the same no matter their uses, and you can quickly get another worker for 2 more uses with gold. It's an exploit.

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>Your German delegate, Winifred, has learned that your allies are trading with Germany
Oh thanks, Winifred. Really helpful.

>>158308593
Guess my game is just bugged.

Did they really give up one BE? No more expansions?

>>158308846
turns out the issue was crossfire actually
thanks for the tip though, i'll try that aswell

>>158308775
How about you improve the work conditions instead, asshole?

>>158308884
its even dumber when a delegate reveals that you placed a delegate with a civ
when they're the delegate that was placed there.

>>158308898
They dunfuckd up man

All they had to do was Alpha Centauri HD, maybe fixing exploits like infinite crawler and adding hexes. That was it. But no.

>>158308775
I give my life not for honour, but for youuuu

Heyo, new here on the thread...Is Civ6 any good? Thoughts/comments?
Read some reviews and seems like it is pretty good. Waiting for my key (had problems since the seller gave me wrong key), and wanted to try the game so pirated it, but the game did not even want to launch...

Anyone can give me some rundowns on good/bad?

>>158308870
No it isn't, not normally.
>build 2 workers
>usually 6 charges
>build 2 workers and buy one more
>2 charges x 3 = 6 charges
At most you might get a single extra charge by using the last charge on the third worker. Now, China...
>usually 8
>build 2 buy one
>9 charges

>>158308564
If you have built the holy site on it before it is revealed, sure. But if it is revealed you can't place smth over it.

>>158308965
It's just a "Hey, I arrived safely!" message from them

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>first game turn one
>new continent discovered
ye

>>158308965

He's just letting you know he made it to the destination safe and sound. :3

people are really just bad at stacking production districts + putting them close to other cities

theres no problem with production in this game

>>158309080
It makes sense once the map is revealed, but 0 sense when you're exploring.

>>158309080
>Africa

Is fireden down

>>158309009
>good
Pretty much everything aside from the UI. Firaxis, for once, decided not to strip the sequel of mechanics, and it paid off.

>bad
UI and massive balance holes.

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Gandhi, what are you doing?

>>158309297
The AI is also retarded
Also the artstyle, but not because it's casualized, but because you can't actually see shit.

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What do I do now? They seem to be retreating into the void of space and my fleets won't give chase.

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>>158309301
>Indian color scheme
>Panel 2
>Judaism as German religion
>Panel 4

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>>158309301
Apparently hes killing the jews.

>>158309297
Thanks, how's the gameplay? Still as addictive as ever? AI good/challenging?

Heard the music is awesome too. I can't find any deals for the amerifats region (not sure why 2k is locking region now for this title), but at least I can refund if i buy from steam straight and find out i can't launch the game too...

>>158308775
They just run out of materials, dude. They don't die, they just retire.

>>158309003
I AM PRESSING F BUT I CAN'T PAY RESPECT

deity is really bad


I feel like in Civ 5 when you catch up to their huge lead in science/culture per turn they can still keep up with you a little bit, but here they can't even get close

>>158309379
>>158309389
Its not my religion, I swear! The egyptians infected me!

>>158309426
>Heard the music is awesome too.
I started in an island as China. Played for about 100 turns without making contact to anyone, just trying to figure out the basics. The same track repeated itself the entire time.
The same fucking track.

>>158309426

33 hours in so far, had great time but game needs some polishing.

>selling units possible everywhere guess they just forgot that one eh
>you replace scouts with workers and chop down shit for mad hammers/food and sell them before last charge/capture.
>tomyris is fucking insane with the free unit from training just for the pure dom snowballing but you can also sell that shit and use it elsewhere.
>observation balloon supports stack, giving you chance to get rocket art with 10 range.
>no alternate abilities for great people, if you go culture you may end up sitting with ten writers etc.
>city states and some civs get stuck with spears while others are fighting with airplanes if they have bad luck/positioning with strat resources since they seem to be too random and theres no alternate "cheap" combat units to keep up.
>city state bonuses in general are too OP or too SHIT
>cheating money from ai via trade
>if you trade city during siege to your ally the hp will reset and you can just keep swapping it
>most of the time when AI is doing "siege" it just keeps circling around the city like retard and gets blown the fuk out
>ai broke ALL their promises
>once again ai is just complete garbage, more difficulty more units it just spams from nowhere
>UI needs alot of improvements, you need to edit some text files for tooltip delay and unit cycle
>no repeat X for spies / trades, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE