/domg/ - Dominions General

Are there any other Grand Strategy games like Dominions that are good but don't take fucking forever to get started?

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Since this is a new thread, I'm reposting the VGL7 roster poll: http://pastebin.com/4YsNQcjn

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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Degeneracy

Threadly reminder

2 spots left

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Thread's really dead this time of the day, isn't it?

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begone demons

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>>158266610
Got anymore images like that? I'd love to save a few more.

What are some of the more notable options for commanders with magic leadership?

Say, non-national (i.e. independent or summoned), and good for any number of reasons (affordable, accessible, flexible, etc.)

>>158267009
Crown of command. Relatively cheap, very easy to get.

Does invulnerability stack with natural prot (eg - invulnerability + ironskin)?

>>158267196
No.

>>158267145
Oh shit, forging. Didn't even cross my mind.

Thank you!

>>158261828
If you're going to take a dormant pretender to get underwater, you can do way better than a snake.

And good luck finding uncontested water provinces by turn 12+.

>>158267009
Sleeper has decent magical leadership.

Most mages will have some degree of magical leadership too. So long as you don't care about morale you can put a few magical beings on each mage in your army.

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>>158266498
I replayed this lately, good times, felt like sengoku lite

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I hope everyone is ready for my next release!

>>158267997
You spelled consentacle wrong. Feel ashamed.

Also
>Innovative Full Scales Lemuria Dog
Is he actually doing it?

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>>158267997
It's 'Consentacle' and 'Miscegnation', you fools!

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>>158268115
considering the titles I doubt it, unless the dogs are female now

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>>158250193
Good to see you were just meming.
Lich Queen?

Anyone have tips for LA Agartha? Thinking of playing them in degeneracy but I haven't a clue what kind of pretender to make, research goals, army compositions, anything, and I've sort of grown tired of pbems where like two weeks in I suddenly realise I'm the only person with no idea what they're doing.

>>158268389
uhh m8

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>>158268294
>>158268285
Crone =)

I realized that with a dying dominion, it wasn't worth taking Growth scales, but Order/Prod will still let me get a lot of crossbows.

>>158268389
I will upload a video going over some pretenders and research goals for LA Agartha for you. It will be up tomorrow.

>>158268587
>death scales
>with an old pretender
I hope you're planning to Twiceborn that shit.

>>158268587
>imprisoned
enjoy no grand lemurs for 3 years and/or empowerment

>>158268724
Of course!

>>158268760
My build is going to be focused on fighting for a very long time while using the lower level mages as support for my ghost + crossbow armies. Less end game, more early game.

>>158268115
>You spelled consentacle wrong
Fuck.
Time to go AI.

>>158268882
Remake?

>>158268143
>Miscegnation
Google says you're wrong.

>>158269292
How is he going to get a screenshot of his pretender with titles?

>>158269292
I mean, it's imprisoned so...

>>158269378
>>158269393
Yeah just realized that

>>158267761
What game?

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>>158269610
Yet another product ruined by a samurai protagonist.

>site search forgotten fortress in a perfect choke point

of course this only happens when im dicking around in sp

>>158268863
u wot

that's the dumbest thing i ever heard

has anyone tried running an a9 bless on kailasa since the pillarmen got javelins?

>>158271849
It sucks.
A9 is sadly trash.

>>158271849
It's the closest thing to an argument for A9 that there is.

Sadly, A9 can effectively be replaced by arrow fend, and really only counters archers which are hardly the only issue. A4, otoh, is a very nice minor bless for Kailasa for a huge number of reasons.

Worth noting - A9 and arrowfend work on a fair number of spells too

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>>158274458

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=ForNoobs

>>158276086
I notice that there's already 3 players. Is this game hosted somewhere else?

>>158276301
It's the admin and his two sock puppet copies of the game.

So, Arco staled a third time despite turn timer being extended to 36 hours. Sub maybe? Shouldn't be difficult to find one for a player in such a strong position.

In other news, who wants to dispel Burden of Time? I could spare 60 astral pearls but my highest astral is S4 so a bigger astral caster would be preferable.

>>158277249
I have S6 (including all boosts). You can send me your gems.

Also, my birds are near you because I'm taking that barb province you ignored for half of the game.

>>158277395
All 500 of them (+-50%, minus corpse constructs that couldn't participate)? Plus a few hundred in other forts. For me that looks like what you might describe as build-up.

I've extended this turn by a little bit and am going to look into Nief's staling.

>>158277798
M87, you'll see next turn. Thing is, Pelagia is retarded and tries to raid me, as you can probably see yourself. When I'm done with counterthugging the birds will fly away.

Also, why would I attack you if Arco is staling and is a better target? That's just retarded.

>>158279434
Presumably Arco would get a sub or start doing their turns again. But I can see Pelagia has indeed started raiding you so I'm taking a leap of faith and sending you my contribution for BoT dispel (60 pearls).

>>158280786
Thanks. I'll post a screenshot when I cast it. Also, is anyone else interested in this? Because I'm p sure Helheim put a lot of D gems in, and we'll need 150+ pearls for it.

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Asphodel begone!

Why there are no unicorns in this game?

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>>158283436
There are, though

>>158283436
Doesn't Man have unicorn knights?
I know some heroes ride unicorns.

Unicorn who can't into magic? That's just a horse with a horn.

>>158283768
That's a magical horn.

>>158283768
A magic horn that heals its rider.

>>158277249
>>158277395
I will laugh at you all from my deathbed honestly. I'm sort of still in my death throes, I think, so I don't mind if other people suffer.

How the fuck am I still alive

>>158285548
Arco staled 3 times in a row.

Helheim and machaka send your turns.

>>158285576
Well, I suppose that's a possible reason. I'll just continue hanging out in my single fort then.

>>158285650
Help is coming. Just hold them off for a few turns. Then I'll have to kill you, of course.

>>158285680
I mean, I wouldn't expect any less. My Capital has been suckled on the sweet Nectar of growth 3 since turn 1, so it's quite a nice target. But I'll be damned if you'll take it without a fight.

>>158285723
Watch me.

>>158284057
You telling me the knights of Man ride their unicorn's horn?

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>>158286643

>>158286643
You telling me they dont?

>>158286694
I-is that a girl or a boy?

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>>158287042
Girl

>>158276086
>mods: none
Confirmed for you and your 2 irl friends (or other accounts).

>>158287064

Girl (male)

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>>158287260
Girl as in female/girl

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stop it with your faggotry

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>when you hit all 9s in all schools

>>158288493
You already posted your poorfag treasury. Why the censoring?

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>>158287586

>>158288568
I added some amazing things that only spooks can apperciate

Is Bell of Cleansing worth using against demons? How effective is it?

>>158289872
20 unresistible AN damage to demons in AoE1 with 100 precision. Pretty good.

>>158288493

You should gift them to someone.

>>158289932
That's not very effective for an artifact which costs 10 water gems.

You also might want to mention it's range 15. The wielder needs to be in fairly close for it to work.

>>158290783
Are you cray-cray? 10 water gems is a fucking joke. Basically, anybody could craft it and remove some demon knights or shit that's hard to deal with. Give it to a flying SC, give him a storm spool, and send him to fight some storm demons.

I hear LA Riley in dom4 is shit compared to LA Riley in dom 3, what changed?

>>158290862
>hits one square
>not even a likely kill against most demons
You could forge two water bracelets for the same price, give them to two W1 mages, and cast cleansing water repeatedly. That would be more effective, easier to access, and you can do it more than once.

The only use I'd consider Cleansing Bell for is a way to shut down a demon SC. Even then I'm not sure it'd be worthwhile.

>Give it to a flying SC, give him a storm spool, and send him to fight some storm demons.
A SC chassis which can kill storm demons with a cleansing bell can kill storm demons without a cleansing bell.

On an SC I'd rather have more defenses. Most demons hit hard, and SCs have enough killing power to deal with demons just with their normal attacks.

If you don't think you need more defenses you could even leave the slot empty for a cheaper SC.

>>158291339
>20AN per turn is not worthwile
Well, I guess you never use smashers against golems too. And the bell hits IN ADDITION to existing attacks.

>>158290991
I dont think this is true.
As far as I remember, LA R'lyeh has always been mediocre.

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>>158290991
Well, there's several factors. For starters, there's less sites (->gem income) so more stuff is done with gold that LA R'lyeh doesn't have lots of for obvious reasons.

Secondly, research in general is slower and endgame research is harder to reach so midgame tactics and national troops are more relevant. The freespawn R'lyeh gets is militia or sub-militia tier so when it's national troops facing each other as opposed to summoned armies facing other summoned armies, they're at great disadvantage. In addition, endgame strategies like Wish really are endgame stuff rather than something you can count on using so R'lyeh doesn't get nearly as much out of their superb astral access.

When thinking of unmodded Dom3, the dominant strategies often involved Clam of Pearls and having the required paths to craft them, being in good position to turtle and having premier astral access to utilize those astral pearls, R'lyeh was in a really nice spot. CBM mod made those artifacts, but the other differences I mentioned were still there.

There's a number of other smaller changes as well (such as astral getting fewer new options than some other paths like earth, which is an indirect nerf to astral) but those are the main three ones.

>>158291559
I would agree it was mediocre, but I listed several reasons why it'd be relatively worse now.

>>158291674

Also they are fish. Nobody cares about fish.

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>>158277249
>tfw wanted to send a global meme message when casting it but was afraid it would not go through and I'd just end up embarrassing myself

Welp. In other words, think twice before sending your pearls away, I promise to be a good elf and cloud trapeze my caster into a level 3 throne once I get my lands back from Abysia + tip.

>>158267196
>>158267264

Yes it does, partially.

>>158292186
>was afraid it would not go through
Thanks. That actually gives me some ideas about the gem count you put int.

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>recieved a new turn
>imediately start from checking how my attempt to jump on Magoth and Mind Duel him had unfold
>first Guru dies, first Rishi kills him and safely retreats, second Rishi casts Antimagic and dies from PD while being unconsicious
>Yay! Great victory
>Check battle statistics. Picrelated
Well, I guess sometimes battle replay can put your hopes up.

>both Rishi reincarnated
>as a God's candles
Ha-ha, s-sure I may need those candles in the middle of war and not 2 spare comanders, r-right?

>I reached Blood 8 finally
>Time to steal some Heliophagi from Abysia
>"An unexpected event occured in the Bandar Log"
>Needless to say all my capable blood mages were inside the cap, as well as a fare share of all valuable mages
A-a-at l-least I got 9 fire gems...

The most entertaining turn so far.

>>158292402
>falling for elven trickery

Heh, too easy.

But really if I knew Arco was gonna stale like this I wouldn't have casted it. Goddamn stallers ruining my beautiful last stand.

Are rainbow pretenders worth building? I've seen the sentiment that they were in Dominions 3, but are no longer in Dominions 4. It seems like some nations could really use the diverse magic paths of a rainbow.

>>158294202
Those builds as viable as any others. A lot of people playing rainbows.

>>158294202
With some nations like Lemuria you're almost expected to bring a rainbow (because of all those sweet free points and no sacreds), and with others there could be an argument supporting rainbows (especially for nations that have no/shitty sacreds and not a lot of diversity). There are some effective rainbow builds that won me MP games, including Ulm sitesearcher/crafter, Ermor/Lemuria immortal supercaster, and I think Sauro too.

>>158294202
I got one for EA Atlantis since they dont have trouble expanding and cant really mass sacreds.

>>158294523
I'm actually running an N9E9 on them right now. Basalt Kings are badass, and Living Pillars can roll through indies and small armies without issue.

>>158294451
>>158294508
>>158294523

Yeah I have noticed some nations have awful path diversity, and no real good sacreds. Whats standard to do in a rainbow, awake or dormant? I imagine you want it out sitesearching as early as possible, but you're going to need points if you want a lot of paths.

What kind of magic paths do you usually go for? Just try to hit as many crosspath magic items and good rituals as possible? I'm not really sure where that is, I know 2 is standard for a lot of artifacts, but there are a lot of rituals that can require up to 4.

>>158294735
The lure of fast research is to strong for me.

>>158294935
True enough. I have rather shit research in said game, but the large amount of pillars and kings is quite worth it, in my opinion.

>>158294915
>Whats standard to do in a rainbow, awake or dormant?
If my aim is a normal rainbow pretender I usually trying my best to make him into dormant, because Imprisonment for 24 additional turns doesn't worth 100 design points it costs.
But sometimes I like to have a rainbow pretender with a Monobless. N9 for example always tempts me. And that god have to be Imprisoned, sadly.

About paths. It depends. People like to take paths either for their national mages 'blind spot' or for some specific items they want to craft. There are insane ammount of diferent combinations which also influenced by the chasis you choose.

>>158294915
IT DEPENDS. Mostly you want some core concept behind the rainbow to not waste your time on paths you already have/won't need/can get from easy indies. Look at boosters and try to get the essential ones for your late-game.

If I want to go into S late-game I'll probably pick something like E4S6 (gives both E and S late-game options, especially if you don't have those, so crystal coins/golems/wishcasting/earth kings). Can add A (preferably on an immortal chassis or something with at least some HP) for rain of stones spam.

A4E4 is a good option for a semi-rainbow monster chassis. Cloud trapeze, both A and E late-game summons, RoS, Earthquake, Wrathful Skies - you name it.

D5 on a human is a bare minimum for a tart summoner without rushing artifacts. You need to craft a staff (10 gems) and a skull face (30 gems) to get to D7 for tarts. D5 also allows you to summon wraith lords/liches right off the bat. A is a good crosspath for D, especially on stronger or immortal chassis. Gives you wailing winds/wind of death.

B/D is what you usually want for blood rainbow because of easy vamp lords that can snowball your bloodhunting. B/D/F allows you to both boost fire with flaming skull booster and summon archdevils.

How do you properly bless your dudes when your most common priest is only H1?

>>158295742

Pretender + prophet + bishop fish + artifacts

>>158295742
More priests than usual.

>>158295742
5 H1 dudes can bless around 40 size 2 sacreds in a tight box.

t. elf player

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>>158263659
Alright, with eight responses so far, the standings are as follows:
8 erf snek
8 Forester Bob
8 Mage Support
8 Quadbless Mictlan
7 2000 ghosts in a fort
6 Burden of Time
6 Pankoman
6 Useless Kick
5 Angry Stone Face
5 Heroic Obesity
5 In That Case I'll Be Going AI Too
5 itdepends
5 Muuch Muuch
4 100 PD
4 Giant Man-Eating Jews
4 Remove Elves
4 t. Malakal
4 Ulm - Waiting For Turn File
3 6 Months of SP
3 Bogus the Troll
3 Diplomonster
3 Illfraud
3 >stabbed by a methhead
--Cutoff Line--
2 Astral 1
2 Bane Lord
2 Illuminati
2 Turnbullying
1 Thursday
0 memegames

It appears that Mage Support is good, while bullying is no longer cool. Regarding the new suggestions, two of them are too long and won't fit so we'll need to figure out how to shorten 'Red-headed lesbian elfs underwater' and 'DomgNationsGen - Hosting delayed by 24 hours' if they make it onto the team. As for putting them on the poll, I'll do it later and make sure you guys know about it so you can edit your votes.

And if you haven't voted yet, well, there's still time so why not vote?

>>158296007
Thanks, I didn't see the poll.

You guys listen to any Dominions-related music recently?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QztKQPV7wuo

>>158294735
>E9
This is excessive, the 5 prot is not worth the cost, a minor E bless for reinvigoration however is acceptable, but E4 is enough for that.
Take a look at their MR, with a little research they are easily countered.

>>158297294
https://soundcloud.com/erik-ask-upmark/liement-me-deport

>>158297538
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLbbLHoF-hY
And this remix too.

Game: Degeneracy
Turn number 1
Next turn due: 05:07 GMT on Wednesday October 26th

>Abysia Waiting for 2h file
Agartha 2h file received
Atlantis 2h file received
>Jomon Waiting for 2h file
Unexpected Nation 2h file received
>Marignon Waiting for 2h file
Mictlan 2h file received
Ulm 2h file received

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>158297415
The E9 is for the Kings, not so much for the pillars. While I agree that the protection is largely redundant, it does give the Kings quite a boost. The low MR of Atlantis's troops can be remedied with Antimagic, cast by a mage of the deep with 2 communion slaves and a pair of pearls.

It's largely a meme strat, but it's quite fun.

>>158297606
They could be sleeping or at work.

>>158297836
>Not playing dominions 24/7 with the aid of a caffeine IV

>>158297989
Nicknight, stop.

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>>158297836
>implying either of those are valid excuses

>>158297836
So?

>>158298030
Nicknight, don't stop. Do your fucking turn in LAte.

>>158298091
Damn, but I just did it.
What the fuck happened to Lukas to cause him to actually stop being a normie and do his turns?

>>158299224
You'll see soon enough.

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>>158299224
I got motivated

>>158297294

>Dominions friendly music
>Death metal

No, this is dominions-friendly music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq4seuBFxIM

>>158299961
>le eaten 1000 corpses face

>>158299961
This desu if you don't listen to classical, folk, or something in that direction while playing Dominions you're a fucking faggot.

>>158300130
>if you listing to anything other than classical you're a fucking faggot
ftfy

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>>158299961
>>158300130
>>158300254
I unironically listen to eurobeat when playing dominions and none of you can stop me

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>>158300130
>>158299961

>that feel when playing Niefelheim/Jotunheim/Vanheim/Helheim

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYbE2coMZPc

>>158300254
This.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBmWXmn11YE

>>158300361
this too

>>158300361

YOU FOOL

that music is only for going fast

you cannot go fast in dominions

>>158300451
You've clearly never scripted 50 mages in under 2 minutes before

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>>158300361
>tfw playing racing sims and dominion turns at the same time

>>158300451
You can with boots of swiftness :^)

>>158300451
Maybe if more people listened to it they would get their turns in faster.

LOOKING AT YOU PINK.

>>158300807
Seriously, fuck Pink. I'm gangbanging him if at least one nation agrees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btsgCgdhZaw

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>>158252240
Ermor stop shilling. Thanks to the fact that I'm in a permanent state of war since turn 8 my income and troop reserves have suffered, while you were nabbing easy provinces off of others. As befits a true diplomonster. I have JUST surpassed you in income and by my count you are a couple grand ahead of me on gold.
>>158252470
>Guys attack China, ignore my huge research lead on a communion nation!

>>158300871
I would but I have no idea where he is and would have to cut through non-fags to get to him.

>>158300967

This is the true reason why Ermor wants to take my Loremaster site away from me(along with the rest of my nation), because it gives me the power to reveal his lead to the rest of the world.

>>158300967
for the record those weren't me, and you already made your peace with niefel, also I'm not the one posting screenshots of effortlessly wipping out armies with ease either.

>>158300967
>>158301090
I also think it's cute your bad mouthing for stoping mictlan from becoming a real threat (which by the way I dont' even have his capital, C'tis is), while Ur sits on a loremaster site and China sits on 3 capitals.

>>158301339

The rest of the world must know of your misdeeds. But you would silence FREE INFORMATION and whistleblowers from speaking up.

>>158301339
>C'tis has 2 caps
>still worse research than Niefelheim
Seriously what the fuck are they doing.

>>158301486
They have a lot of lizards.

ALOT.

So wasn't Gath asking for pearls to dispel that global? Did that actually get attempted? Post some proof if so, please.

In other news I need a sub, I'll be going away for 2 weeks and I think going AI from this position is a bad idea. A shame really, since this game has been the most fun /domg/ game so far in the last 2-3 months.

For anyone interested, here are the graphs:
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>>158251886
>>158252312
>>158252470
>>158252570

As you can see from the graphs my position is pretty good. I will provide more details as needed.

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>>158299961
>>158300130
>>158300254
>>158300391
>>158300435
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0jYkJX79Fc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNt82XUoozk

>>158294915

E/B crosspaths for bloodstones for Earth nations
A/B for robes of the magi
A/E for staves
D/F for fire boosts on fire nations with no death
D2+/D5+ for death boosting on nations with D1/nations going for tartarians
N2 to bootstrap a nation into nature
E2 for the same with a nation with only E1
A4 to get all the useful air boosters.

Checking to see what scaling summons a nation has is pretty useful, for instance with the Agarthas. Or going F/D on Caelum to get the national Daevas

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Jesus, I love that global.

>>158303432
2spooky4them

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It's death o'clock.

53 longdead riders for 10 death gems. 44 wights for 30 death gems. All in a single turn.

>>158304410
WHY WOULD YOU EMPOWER YOUR GOD!!!!!!!

Pointless. When Astral Corruption comes up, you'll be sorry, because the doom horrors will hunt your god down whether you cast shit or not and affliction them to uselessness.

>>158304628

He hasn't. That's D9S6A1 base.

>>158304719
>>158304628

Loses points for not having a shield though.

>>158304628
Dude pls.

If astral corruption comes I'll just wish for armageddon a few times to fuck all blood nations up and conquer the world with infinite freespawn.

>>158302116
Somebody please step in it's a very interesting position.

>>158302116
What's your bless?

>>158305876
>>158302116
I would honestly love china going AI instead. Having an AI as a lead would be hilarious, and having it kill niefel or machaka even if it's an AI would be really fun.

>>158305876
I would, but a) I'm already playing a TC game and b) said game made me realize that I hate TC's mages in the late game.

>>158305990
D9W9

>>158306010
t. Machaka

>>158306010
Pls no, I finally managed to recover.

>>158306139
Uh

Why D9?

>>158306239
Ancestor spirits.

>>158300130
I wouldn't go so far as faggot, but certainly pleb

ded

>full scales Lemuria
I've been thinking on it since it was mentioned, and does anyone else think this is just crazy enough to definitely not work?

>>158311063
Strats that rely heavily on indies are what separates the best from the rest.

>>158311063
This is just stupid as fuck, my dude. Even with full positive scales you go from 30k population to 10k in a matter of 12 turns. I specifically tested it for a disciple game, it's not worth it.

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China is now under new leadership, please treat him warmly

>>158289858
Nice Soul Slay magnet senpai

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjJeA0gUM58

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>>158312346
Luckily for you and everyone else, I have this handy folder of JJBA memes to post and seek attention with

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>>158313718

>>158314145

Literally why. At least get some diversity WTF

>>158314145
Shit pretender. Casting nature spells that C'tis already can cast? Casting foul vapors that C'tis already can cast? E2? For what purpose?

>>158314532
Stay mad Mictlan.

>>158316743
lmao rekt

>>158316743
Literally who?

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You should've double checked your math, Itza.

>>158318827
What's the bless.

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>>158318983
It looks something like B9 E4

>>158318827
what are those units? natgen?

>>158319343
You can click blessed icon to see the precise details

>>158319369
Mod nations.

>>158313747
We are still cool right new china?

>>158320439
Sure

>>158320513
Nice.

Thats a mighty big army you got there Ur.

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Fear the military might of Berytos!

>>158321401
How much PD?

>>158321936
I had 10 PD.

>>158311063
My early game will be very strong =)

I will see what comes from my reduced late game power, well, later. I figure that it would be better to be able to win an early war first, so I made that the priority with my build. I believe that this is more robust than an awake monster at fighting things that are normally hard for Lemuria to beat.

I think that trying it in a real game will prove whether the build is effective or not =)

>>158322395
The early game is the only time that ghosts are actually good though.

>>158322558
And now my armies will be even better

>>158318827
What are the gold costs here?

>>158325237
The 2 slann he lost are at least 2000 gold

>>158325237
Lizards: Many big lots
Corpses: Some chaff

>>158325237
The statblock and magic paths of those "Slann" resembled something a grade schooler would come up with when trying to make an unbeatable fictional character. Dunno about gold, might be closer to hundred gems.

I have a quick request for y'all -

I just want to grab some quick, informal stats for wins with -
awake / rainbow / bless / heavy scales

If you could list what the winning pretender was in your recent games, that would be very helpful. I know that some things overlap (for instance, you can take an awake N9E4 as a Pangaea player did recently, or an imprisoned N9 with heavy scales) so it's okay to list multiple categories.

tia

>>158326581
Jesus christ

>>158326952
For those of us without the mod, can you post one?

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Boy am I glad the AI is retarded

>>158329056
How do you effectively teleport attack with monoliths?

>>158329307
Research Thaumaturgy. Select the monolith. Use the drop down menu to choose Teleport. Choose your targeted province. Teleport has a base range of 6.

>>158329307

You see an army, and then airstrike your giant rock on top of it. Once you have obliterated them, build a lab and teleport elsewhere.

>>158329383
>>158329407
Is it really that simple? I was expecting there to be some sort of trick to it.

>>158329476
You have a unit with hundreds of HP, zero enc, and protection >30. Also amazing magic paths.
Honestly, you can wipe early game armies just by giving it D5 and letting fear do all the work.

>>158329736
Does it worry about horror marks?

>>158331240
I had a statue of order who murdered his through 30 turns of void travel. It should kill everything up to an eater of the gods.

>>158331240
It Depends.


Lesser horrors bounce right off, which doom horrors it can handle depends on paths, research, and equipment.

>>158331240
Only while AC is up

Mindless units seem to get significantly fewer horror attacks for some reason.

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Turn 24 charts:

Research
First: Dalkrin
Second: Robbledoth
Third: Sahuagin
Fourth: Mathosia

Looks like Sahuagin is gonna overtake Robbledoth in the next turn or 2

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>>158332942

Gems
First: Dwarfs
Second: Artea
Third: Dalkrin
Fourth: Smerv

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>>158329056
I want to build the ultimate Monolith/Statue teleport warrior, just to goof around in SP.
How would I go about doing that?
I'm thinking Monument with at least E9 S4 N9 to start.

>>158332323
Check the description on horror marks. They don't care about mindless units because they're not tasty.

>>158333109
The monument cant move at all dude.

>>158333109
reminder: certain pretenders have the "true immobile" modifier which means they can't even move by magical means, and that monument is one of them

>>158333247
>>158333314
Fuck, I didn't know.
Monolith is probably best then, for the convenient paths it has. Colossal Head might be an option, and it has a pretty massive health pool. Maybe even Void Lurker if I'd do this with Riley.

>>158333832
>Void Lurker
Actually scratch that, the Polypal Queen is just better.

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>>158328696
Just for you.

>>158334797
This is not okay.

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Have you ever looked at an image and got a serious boner?

>>158334928
To be fair Slann are supposed to be the best magic casters around.

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Things are going well so far =)

>>158335981
You're really committed to this bait, aren't you?

Committed enough to shit up a game with it.

>>158335151
Everything else with paths like that are either heroes or high level summons.

>>158337058
but what if I win?
=)

>>158337116
Nazca

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It is time.
Once I get into blood I'm going to give him a Black Heart so that he can be the perfect assassin.

>>158337116
I probably would have made Slann a summon if it was me but from a purely role play point of view they make sense.

>>158337395
Motherfucker I had the exact same idea but with a Dom 10 awake one.

>>158337058
Shh, let him be dumb. More death gems for one of us.

>>158337680
What beats Prod Lemuria that doesn't also beat a generic rainbow-Lich Lemuria?

>>158337395
How awful are your scales?

>>158337795
Probably nothing but anything that does beat rainbow lemuria would surly beat prod lemuria extra hard.

>>158334797
All that shit and then
>auto communion master
>bonus spells:2
>shape-changing
>sacred

And these guys are normal slow recruits. At least they don't have full item slots. Just what in G-d's name are the really good summons?

>>158337951
It's literally just Lemuria with crossbows. It has scaling issues, but it's strictly better early.

>>158334797
But I must say that it was very modest of him to make the last F/A/W/E just 10%.

>>158337853
Can't remember, but it's really fucking bad. It's like Turmoil 3 Sloth 3 Cold 3 Drain 2.

Oceanian Thred.

>>158340368
I get it.

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>It's the lizards dominating a mod nation game episode again

So a tuatha, a vanir and a sidhe walked into a bar...

>>158341032
How can you tell?

>>158341032
That must have hurt.

Dominions jokes?

So two dusk elders, arch bishop of the eldregate, 18 mound kings and 1041 undead chaff walk into an earthquake trap...

>>158341863
And the bartender asks "Why the lugh face?"

A Dis, Helkarl, 77 elves and two hundred chaff walk in to a forest...

>>158342319
he was destroyed!

300 ulmites walk into a huge stone mouth...

During his travels on land an Atlantean King came upon an avvite city, the Melqart king of which was suffering from depression. So terrible was his plight, that his vassals had promised a reward of 1000 gold to anyone who could make their liege laugh.

The Atlantean King asked for an audience with the Melqart and soon enough, the Melqart was roaring with laughter.

However, the vassals were even more displeased with their new, jolly Melqart who seemed to burst into uncontrollable laughter all the time, much preferring their old depressed ruler. The vassals secretly promised the Atlantean King 2000 gold if he could turn the Melqart back the way he was. The Atlantean King came for a second audience and soon enough, the Melqart was once again trodding around the halls of his palace, depressed.

The Melqart's vassals were amazed, begging Atlantean King to reveal what had happened between him and the Melqart.

"It was very simple", answered the Atlantean King. The first time, I told him I was PACKIN' more. The second time, I showed him.

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>>158342319
A very special kind of a forest.

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>>158343656
frankly there is nothing for the melqart to Be-salt-ly about

Bogarus, I might not be able to field forces to fight you off while being attacked on other fronts, but if you insist on plodding doomstacks the entire time, I sure as hell can and will cripple you while you do so.

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>>158347298

>>158347415
As someone who scouted that battle, Bogarus put crystal and slave matrices on all of those mages, and he lost at least one of those starets because it was one of the only non-feebleminded survivors with a slave matrix and was burnt out while the other surviving mages tried to blow up your 10 or so pd.

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>>158347415
>>158348882
yup. missed that since I didn't bother to watch the battle initially.

>>158347415
How?

>>158349364

10pd.

>>158349364
RoS

>>158349364
Single mage cast rain of stones once, 10 pd did the rest.

>>158349364
From what I gather Midgard's opening of Rain of Stones fucked up the mages of Bogarus, killed a lot of their troops and disrupted their communion. The remaining communion then gave the communion slaves some good old fatigue fun while trying to kill the Province Defence of Midgard.

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=ForNoobs

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>>158350434

>>158350434
>>158350576
Signed up! Please be gentle

>>158350434
>>158350576
>>158351397

literally beat my by ten seconds.

>>158278975
My bad, I had unexpected company this weekend and was unable to get on my laptop.

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Pythium, this is unacceptable. I don't mind if your hydras decide to go swimming, but you are to treat the oceans with respect. When the caretakers cleaned up after your hydras they found this horrible mess. I expect an apology.

quadbless kailasa

>>158354234
A9N9E9 kailasa would work

>>158354347
Tribless is for squares

>>158340521
>lizards dominating
Is that what >>158318827 looks like to you?

https://github.com/sum1won/summod/releases/tag/0.71
Testing reveals no gamecrashing bugs.

Heavenly Song given to Gandharvas. Typo making it damage 5(x3 v demons) fixed to make it 3(x3 v demons) (used #damage instead of #dmg).
Guhyaka, Yavana Archer price reduced to 30 gold
Yavana, Yavana Archer, Guhyaka defense increased by 1
Yavana, Yavana Archer, Yaksha, Yakshini awe 1->2
Yaksha defense increased by 2

Quicken created. Scaling quickness at Alt 6. Quicken does not scale. Quickening Scales twice as fast as before, but still costs a gem.
Iron Warriors scales by aoe, fatigue doubled.
Enfeeble has a chance of procing 3 times per cast, resulting in up to -6 strength to targeted units

Typos fixed so globals now match the changelog
Mechanical militia moved to const 7

Xibalba unrest corrected

Ryleh buffs reduced in scope
(new shielded unit removed from recruitment; extra itemslots removed, discounts reduced in scope.)
(Polypal mothers still research, grandmothers still improve research, polypal spawn can still go on land, but for 2 turns instead of 3, mindlords are still discounted and still get an extra random).

LA pythium sun cult fixed

Ur now has gods clear afflictions automatically whenever in capital.


Near-future changes:
Make some globals more interesting via event modding
(Looking at underused gems such as Admiral Torgin, Riches from Beneath, the kindly ones, etc).
Implement useful mods such as AInorec.
Additional EA Nation rebalancing

>>158354908
>Testing reveals no gamecrashing bugs.
Now it's just the search for the next 10g elephant :^)

>>158354908
>Guhyaka, Yavana Archer price reduced to 30 gold
Guhyaka price reduced to 26 gold. Yavana and Yavana archers are now 30 gold. This may be too cheap given other buffs, actually, so I may partially roll it back.

>>158354908
thank god mech militia are const7

theyre so storng

>>158355156
>My PD rush build is ruined!

>>158355274
at least guardians of the deep is untouched

>>158355156
In vanilla it was const 9. Const 5 was too good.

>>158355373
Was it really?

>>158355483
It wasn't game breaking, but it was better than I liked for that level.

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>>158263659
>>158296007
Just a quick reminder that the VGL roster poll is still ongoing. 14 responses so far, I know there's more posters here than that.

>>158355813
>http://pastebin.com/4YsNQcjn
reminder to add renowned harvard mage

>>158356020
shit meme desu

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>>158356114
Stop walking into rain of stones, bogarus
>>158347415

What sort of pretender should I have for Fomoria to make use of D5A2 Dance of the Morrigans?

>>158359252
Anything with either D5 or E/S to make a PotS shield. All you need is that second booster, really, since you have a lot of D3A2+ already.

>>158359632
<3 Thanks.

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Time to win this game.

t. Malakal

Some people don't get that in order to have mage support, there first needs to be something for your mages to support. :3

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>>158361890

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>>158361890

>>158362990
It says right there that you were BEATEN by the defending forces of Sceleria. Clearly a defeat.

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Abysia 2h file received
Agartha 2h file received
Atlantis 2h file received
Jomon 2h file received
Unexpected Nation 2h file received
Marignon 2h file received
Mictlan 2h file received
>>>>>>Ulm Waiting for 2h file

Seems to be a "well balanced" game between magic and other forces...

>>158292754

No worries lad, I never intended to contest helios in the first place! Why splorge 111bs on one when I could get two immortal vampire lords for the same price or have some *fun* with you and send horror. Feel free to grab them all!

>>158363303
Other forces like?..

>>158364956
Crossbows.

>Bureucracy of Beige Waiting for 2h file

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>>158364079
I just realized that Heliophage means something like 'sun-eater'. I feel really dumb for not noticing it sooner.

>>158363303
When your variety of "other forces" consists of a choice between legions of Horrors and legions of Demons the balance is not only very good also precarious indeed.

>>158365269
Makes sense thematically. Blood and Astral are the vilest school paths, tainting and meddling with the soul directly. Coincidentally both of them attract powerful otherworldly beings to our world. Even death magic only brings back those who already belonged to this world.

>>158365557
Blood and astral are also the two sources of magic.

>>158365686
Gonna need a source on this. The elemental power spells seem to imply otherwise.

>>158365686
Source: your ass?

I think there are five ready powerbases in the world of Dominions.

The religious authority of a Pretender / Pankoman
Magic (including blood and astral magic)
Physical reality, as in human crossbow technology
Other semi-respectable planes (Underworld, all the planes of Hell, Celestial Spheres etc.)
Non-respectable planes and planelikes, Void Between The Planes, horrors, The Thing Beyond The Void and such nonsense

>>158365803
>>158365896
When you cast astral corruption, it corrupts the 'Arcana' all magic except blood draws upon, hence why only blood magic is excempt from horror attacks while the global is active.

Find a sub for Arco please (unless the original player suddenly comes back from Civ VI or whatever they're doing), I don't want to play a game in which some 50 province monster gets eaten unopposed

>>158366352
It corrupts the Arcana.

Blood magic is the corruption itself, that's why it's not affected and it takes blood slaves to cast.

Blood and Astral are considered sort of 'pure' types of magic because theyre not based on the natural world and elemental planes, theyre undilluted power straight from humans without any color or characteristic(hot, cold, hard, etc)

>>158366790
.t someone not neighboring Arco
Just set him AI and start aggressively attacking those who border him

>>158366808
>undilluted power straight from humans
I don't think either of them come from humans.

Astral is literally space magic. It comes from the stars and/or other dimensions. Blood is barely even magic, you just make a sacrifice to not!Satan and he gives you some magic in return.

>>158367113
Astral comes from the 'mind' , hence all the ryleh insanity and mindless stuff and blood comes from , well, blood, although it's probably not the blood itself being used but the soul and the concept of a sacrifice itself.

I guess 'being channeled through' is a better choice of words.

>>158367113
Quite sure not all blood is borrowed power. Who can lend you enough power for AC? Quite sure there are no native S6B6, or B8 for Looming Hell.

>>158367235
R'lyeh as a nation, after EA anyway, comes from space. Also, look at some of the Astral-focused mages and heroes, a lot of them have a direct reference to space in either their name or their description.
>Horrors (from another dimension)
>Illitids (from outer space)
>Angels (from another dimension)
>Third Son of Anak (born with "the power of the planets")
>Yazad of the Stars
>Astrologer
>Seer King (learned magic from Starspawn aka aliens)
>Shadow Seer ("student of the stellar mysteries")
>Rishi ("master of astrology")
>Sequani Stargazer
And so forth.

>>158367265
By not!Satan I'm not referring to any ingame unit, just an abstract idea of hell power.

>>158299961
MA Ermor theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWruBwPNBOs

>>158299961
Marignon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94dY-QxjDiE

>>158367113
>Blood is barely even magic, you just make a sacrifice to not!Satan and he gives you some magic in return.
>>158367671
>just an abstract idea of hell power
A lot of combat blood spells contradict that. They talk about the mage causing it, rather than trading a slave for the effect.

There's also a few blood spells which don't require blood slaves at all, so blood magic must have some power outside bargaining with hell.

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>>158368148
>They talk about the mage causing it, rather than trading a slave for the effect.
That could be a matter of interpretation.

The mage casts the spell, which causes an effect. The exact chain of effects is rarely described, so "mage does X" might as well mean "mage does Y which causes something else to do X in return" in context. I admit that's a shaky argument at best, but it is supported by the few spells that explicitly mention some kind of exchange, as well as some of the lore, most notably Marignon's final victory over Ermor, which boils down to one big "save us, lord Satan!"

It's likely that blood magic does have some power of its own, but it seems to me that this power is often used to contact hell rather than achieve an effect directly.

>>158337449
There are even better ones you can summon

>>158368754
Though exchanging gems (or slaves) for something else rather than using them to create an effect is hardly restricted to Blood magic. Almost all summons are about contacting something and binding it to the caster's will, instead of actually creating it.

>>158368754
A good example is Agony, which has a short description of what it does.
>The mage kills one or more blood slaves in an extremely painful way and transfers their pain onto a large number of enemies.
In this case, the slave doesn't appear to be used to contact hell at all. Their purpose is dying in an extremely painful way, which the mage then projects (using their own skill) onto a group of enemy troops.

There's also a decent number of ritual spells where the method of obtaining the effects is fairly well described and contains no references to contacting hell. Bowl of Blood, Crossbreeding, and Rejuvenate are some examples.

There's also Dome of Corruption which refers to contacting Horrors (thus implying that other horror spells use a similar mechanic), and Dark Vines which refers to contacting dark forces from deep forests. If it's just hell causing the effects, why would you need to contact these other forces?

I think a better conclusion is that blood is just well suited to contracts, summoning, and binding. All of blood's effects being caused by hell has too many holes and spells which don't fit.

>>158369585
That's what I meant with >>158368754. Just because it says "mage does X" doesn't mean there isn't anything else going on. For example, the Rejuvenate ritual involves drenching yourself in the blood of virgins, but doesn't give any indication of whether Hell is involved or not. Is it involved and did they just not mention it, or did they not mention it because it's not involved? They're not going to give an explanation of exactly how each spell works (for none of the schools, not just Blood), so it's not a big stretch to assume they just left out the details. Again, I admit that's a shaky argument, but it seems supported by the lore and the few details we do get.

Bowl of Blood definitely references Hell, since the "five signs" are the almost certainly related to the five factions of Hell that are also featured in Ritual of the Five Gates.

Contacting Horrors is a result of Blood's corrupting effect on Astral, as showcased by Astral Corruption. After all, Horrors are Astral beings. Similarly, Dark Vines and Crossbreeding are Nature corrupted by Blood and Illearth is Earth corrupted by Blood. None of those are "pure" Blood spells, but more an effect that Blood can have on other paths. Either way, contacting Horrors to do your work still isn't doing the work yourself.

>>158369312
I found some of the death summon descriptions very interesting. "The -foo- is intelligent and shares it's master's motives."

So in a way those summons are just a way to enable someone whose wishes align with yours to be born again / return from the Underworld while many other summons bind creatures against their will, forcing them to march to their death if needed.

>>158370235
>all summoners cruelly mindrape their summons
>necromancers just look for a friendly skelly and politely ask them for a hand

Death magic confirmed for best magic.

>>158370796
Imagine being a warrior killed at the very start of a battle due to enemy magickal treachery, unable to properly cross into the afterlife. You spend 300 years cursing your fate when suddenly your friendly neighbourhood comes up with a shovel and gives you a chance to redeem your honour.

Too bad the skeletons are mindless.

Come on china send your turn.

>>158370056
But the spells which clearly involve hell mention it or mention summoning/contacting/binding something from hell. Even when you summon hellpower or send someone to Inferno they mention opening a portal to hell or drawing the attention of hell.

That is, in my opinion, quite strong evidence that when they don't mention hell it actually isn't involved at all. If they just forgot to mention it, I'd expect that to be shown elsewhere.

>Bowl of Blood definitely references Hell, since the "five signs" are the almost certainly related to the five factions of Hell that are also featured in Ritual of the Five Gates.
I'm not sure about that, but it sounds plausible. However, there are still the other two rituals I mentioned.

>Contacting Horrors is a result of Blood's corrupting effect on Astral
>Similarly, Dark Vines and Crossbreeding are Nature corrupted by Blood and Illearth is Earth corrupted by Blood
Yes, but they show that blood isn't intrinsically tied to hell.

It makes no sense to bargain with horrors using blood slaves either (what would a horror do with one?), so it also shows that killing blood slaves has intrinsic power beyond the value hell assigns to it.

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>>158371858
Soon™

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>>158372363
Russians are cute, cute!

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>>158372363

>>158372169
>That is, in my opinion, quite strong evidence that when they don't mention hell it actually isn't involved at all.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

>Yes, but they show that blood isn't intrinsically tied to hell.
Hell = corrupting influence = other paths' shit gets fucked

It's not that far-fetched.

>It makes no sense to bargain with horrors using blood slaves
I don't think that's what the slaves are used for anyway. It's more a case of using Blood to fuck with the Astral plane enough that the Horrors take an interest, and from there you either sent them to fuck someone's shit up (which they naturally want to do anyway) or you strike a deal with them. Dome of Corruption is the most interesting spell in that regard since it mentions an actual pact instead of just sending away the horros to go bother someone else. I entirely agree that the Horrors most likely aren't interested in Blood slaves, but the spell effect gives a far better idea of what they are interested in: Fucking up mages. Fucking up mages seems to be the main interest of Horrors, and since the Dome screws with both hostile and friendly mages, that's probably what they take in exchange for upholding their end of the pact. Not slaves, not "Blood power," but simply permission to break into our reality and fuck up some delicious mages.