/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless and 4X Games General

First for Victoria

>>158234971

Third for Hon hon

Privateer/Submarine promotion tree is shit.

Scythian theme is really catchy.

>>158235021
fourth for chinamens chance

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nth for Greetings!

New Tech tree a shit

I want Tomyris to be my mom!

Could some nice, kind Anon try advancing my save to turn 316? It crashes to desktop when ending turn on my computer.
https://mega.nz/#!l1d3jJpL!FKOWOD4NM8BQSdiKtvyJIavyyliF2UHumBkVY8cMi9c

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>>158235098

I built the pyramids, and realized there was no other wonders I really needed.

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i hate this guy so much

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“If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.”

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>>158235117

>Start new game
>First neighbor I discover has border friction and the exact opposite ethics as my empire

Every fucking time, why won't this game just give me a comfy start.

Is this any good, 'specially early game as I am? For corvettes or destroyers or what?

>>158235228
I don't get why this is a denouncable thing? Like, what were they thinking? Also, I can't take Pedro seriously at all, they made him look so retarded.

>>158235228
His policy literally comes off as him being assblasted
It's also a meme shit unlike Qin whose policy actually makes a little sense.

>>158235205
>Petra

>>158234345
wonder/factory 6 tile bonuses are the most important things in the late game
you settle cities too far apart, go for civ5 3 cities garbage or just throw your districts randomly and you are stuck waiting 40 turns to build anything

>>158235310
Corvettes have mad high evasion now, so I think using weapons with high tracking is better versus them. You really don't war all that often in the early game, though.

they need to buff coast cities so naval units can actually do something

theres no reason to build on coast you just expose yourself to naval units

>>158235324
>>158235350
because stealing great people is the same as stealing wonders in civ 6

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>>158234875
Gate a shit

>>158235474
It's fucking retarded
>let's unstack the cities
>but let's keep the map fucking massive per tile so boats can't shoot at cities

>>158235324
I think they denounce you for the latest relationship penalty that pushes them over the edge.

>>158235507
What the fuck is he announcing to the world though?
>this guy is a baddie people in his land achieve too much

>>158235310
Don't worry about weaponry, unless you're having a hard time with pirates or other neutrals. Enemy empires won't usually declare war until they're out of space to expand in other directions, and that won't happen for a while.

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setting up for that sweet, sweet triple harbor bonus

>>158235182
It crashes on my side too

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>>158235516
I was hoping someone would be triggered by muh anime honestly

gas the stellaris players
make /civg/ great again

Is there a tier list for wonders?
So far most of them look useless as shit, especially the early ones

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All this faith per turn and nothing to do with it.

>>158235749
>not naming every city sparta

>>158235813
Pyramid and Forbidden / Polasa Palace are god-tier

>>158235772
Fuck. Looks like I wasted several hours of gameplay. Thanks for trying Anon.

WHY DO TRADE ROUTES STILL HAVE TO BE ASSIGNED EVERY 30 TURNS
WHY DO SPIES HAVE TO BE ASSIGNED EVERY 10

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

How do you sell units (builders) in Civ 6???

pls help

>>158235813
stonehenge and coliseum are bad?

any wonder that gives extra slots are good so forbidden city big ben also ruhr valley in your produciton city

and if cultural victory then all the ones with slots

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>best girl declares war on me
>can't send 20gpt trade routes anymore
i'm so sorry i just sent one spy why are you mad at me

>>158235983
Stonehenge isn't amazing because it doesn't count as fucking holy site

>playing stellaris
>after 3 restarts finally survive the first 150 years
>get in a strong position
>playing ironman so now the game stops for 4 seconds at the end of every month to save
>quit

sigh

>>158234610
Its more like additional artificial difficulty on Immortal/Deity because the zombie hordes the AI send to you also destabilize you economically even if you perfectly kill them.

>>158235976

>cheating in a game with already shitty ai

How bad can you be?

>>158235750
They're good for a quick boost in gold or if you have nothing better to do on an older city.

>"name your unit"
>click randomize a few times
>accidentally confirm it
>my scout is now called The War Boys

>>158236076
i just wanna know

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why is this allowed?

>>158235983
>I build Coliseum exactly in the middle of my 4 main cities
>No need for any amenity districts anymore
That's a good feel. Or it would be, if I wasn't >>158235772

How do I ingame lookup the stats of an enemies unit? Hovering over it doesnt give me anything and I cant click select them. I can get it for melee units by selecting my own melee unit and then going over theirs for the combat window, but how do I do it for ranged.

>>158236198
Witnessed

>>158235350

That's a long way down the line.
Theres nothing I could slingshot after that would be worth it, since Stonehenge is always taken.

>>158236198
make em shiny and chrome

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the result of several cities in shitty locations just for this

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The UI in this game is fucking AIDS cancer syphilis leprosy REEEEEEEEEE
I can't see any relevant info without clicking twenty tabs no one told me was there
Sometimes I just can't see the fucking info PERIOD
The fucking tooltips take FOREVER to show up
Unit cycling is literal fucking bullshit
Yield icons are just fucking disgusting
Hills don't stand out at all
You can't tell the difference between fucking desert and grassland in the fog of war
Everything is megacluttered and messy as fuck you can't see shit
Strategic view has the disgusting squiggly borders
They removed the same route thing so you have to reassign 5000000 trade routes every fucking turn
The Civpedia is locked into the game and fucking shit-tier
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>158236043
>>playing ironman
the only person you have to blame is yourself.

>>158236594
too tempting to cheat

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>>158236419
Don't forget
>scrolling camera is just bad in every way
>yield 5 icons are barely noticeable
>the little fucking notification icons that you need to hover over to expand and sometimes bug out and just don't expand
>le barbarian drum meme

>my religion got replaced by someone's patheon

what?

>>158236642
so you have no self control

alright

I just played a Japan game where I just skipped over Samurai and went straight to Musketmen.

There's something wrong with this tech tree.

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>this fucking guy

>>158236649
>UNGA BUNGA
>hmm wheres that camp aw fuck dont care looking on the entire map
>CLEOPATRA DENOUNCED YOU BECAUSE DIDNT KILL THE BARBS
ahahaha

>>158236649
>>158236419
>>158236814
Did nobody realize something was fucked? It isn't just 4chan complaining about the UI right, this is fundamentally bad UI design. All the information you need it hidden or just not there, it's obscenely messy and non-intuitive, the tech tree is fucking massive for what it is, nothing is explained.
Not even touching on the cancer AI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZfKnku_hFA
>it's actually better than the one in Civ V
HOW DO THEY KEEP DOING IT

>>158236805
>mudslime Berlin

>>158236805
What does ignoring him even do?

>>158236198
propa orky

>double culture from buildings inside cultural district card
>made obsolete and nothing even commpares to the culture gain to replace it

WHAT THE FUCK

even numbered civ games continue to be terrible

Best map?

>>158236904
keeping it realistic
>>158236919
i usually tell them i'm just passing by
if it's anything like civ 5, you only get a warmonger penalty if you dow right after

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>"huh, I to get more trade routes, what helps here?
>open tech tree
>search "Trade Route"
>game goes pic related
Firaxis pls

>>158236805
Well that cannon is pretty provocative anon

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>city state armies

What the fuck Buenos Aires? This seems excessive.

>>158236919
Ignoring leader demands pisses them off after a while, but I think it's less than breaking a promise.

>>158237068
>keeping it realistic
you disappoint papa Adolf

>>158237076
Harbors and Commerce districts
Nothing is explained

>>158237118
They're really useful if you're Suzerain of a bunch of them

>>158236419
The Civopedia has too many fucking jokes.

Desert looks totally different from grassland; it has a wavy texture applied to it.

Unit Cycling is the WORST.

Hills are so subtle that they just look bad and are hard to distinguish. I have to jump into Strategic View just to identify them definitively.

Does anyone else really like the new theme song? Almost as good as Baba Yetu imo

>>158236752
Yeah I don't have as much self control as you.

But I get more pussy then you do. *closes thread*

>>158237194
>it has a wavy texture applied to it.
But the goddamn FoW makes it hard to tell if it's desert or just the shit texture overlay

>too many fucking jokes
It's also fucking wrong in places

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is there any reason to play anyone else?

>>158237118
>city state's neighbor gets subjugated by the regional major power
>wondering why Buenos Aires built up an army.

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>>158237076
You must be retarded, anon
>>158237146
what is he gonna do, shoot himself?

>>158237118

Become Suzerain and levy them to destroy someone. You can also upgrade their troops in your territory to make them even stronger.

>>158237194
>>158237280
The Civpedia feels like it was written by an ESL or some high schooler this time

>>158237295
To not be a nigger maybe

>>158235541

If Harbors required a coastal tile to be placed within the 3 block radii and if navies stopped tiles on land from being worked that they touched from sea they could see some use against other players.

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I feel like this is a bug. Religions have been stuck at 6/7 for a while now, even though everyone who doesn't have a religion has enough GP points to get a Great Prophet. I feel like this may have to do with the fact that Arabia EXISTED at one point in the game, but was killed within the first 50 turns by Egypt.

Also, am I losing anything by not having a religion? The game has been going very well so far, but I'd hate to get behind just because I don't have a religion due to a bug in the game.

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>>158237175
I'm betting Suzerain is why the city-state doesn't upgrade anything past Classic. Otherwise the gameplay would be unbalanced and players would find it too easy to win.

>>158237194
You can disable the unit cycling in UserSettings.ini, or whatever the file was called. My Documents/My Games/Sid Meier's Civilization VI

>>158237295
So, is a religious victory unavailable for him?

>>158237318
He wants to know how he can make more trade routes dumbass

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>>158237295

Matumbo is best Kang

>>158237280
>It's also fucking wrong in places
How so and where?

I didn't look too closely through it because it's kind of hard to read with that font color on that background color, but some of the Great People entries pissed me off.

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>>158236240

>>158237445
If you grab Oracle it's literally impossible not to win cultural if you tried unless you never made any theatre districts

>Still have to set my Audio to 48k Hz or my sound is completely fucked in Civ 6
Patch fucking when?

>>158237175
I know that now, but only after poking around for ten minutes.

>>158237459
Yes, but at the cost that he has an extremely good setup for a cultural one. Also getting neighborhood districts as early as he does is crazy.

>>158237435
Religions really depend on your beliefs. It's more of a hassle than you need though because religious combat means you're fighting religious cold wars through half the game against AI.

>>158237118
too bad they dont upgrade shit and barely make anything of use unless they're extremely lucky and spawn near a strategic resource.
>>158237445
they can sometimes, if iron or whatever is in their territory, they will train swordsmen and shit like that. I saw a city state with like 5 of them.

>>158237565
>Cultural victory is the most difficult victory to achieve
It literally tells you that. It's such a fucking cakewalk that I won Cultural before I even hit 1884, and that was after spending most of my time pursuing Space Victory. I was already researching Future Tech.

>>158236240

>Don't settle near me
>"lol my bad I totally didin't see your city three blocks away"
>continues to try and settle other nearby cities

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>at war with 2 different civs as Rome
>gearing up for the battle of a lifetime
>their troops outnumber mine 3 to one but ive got pikemen to beat back their horses
>doing pretty damn well
>YOUR CITIES HAVE CRUMBLED TO DUST GG NO RE cinematic
>what the
>Japan won a religious victory unopposed because all any other civ cared about was war
Broken as fuck, I didnt even get out of the renaissance before Japan played that sneaky bullshit

>my only naval unit is 1 (one) frigate
>+13 with Norway for strong navy
uhh what

>>158237557

>balanced start

>>158237510
Game isn't up right now so I can't be assed to launch one just to see the pedia but the China entry makes a jab at the name 'three kingdoms period' and the sixteen kingdoms being 'creative' on the part of sinologists when they actually came from contemporary chroniclers from China.
It also claims that [eastern] Han -> Three Kingdoms which is technically right but also wrong since it implies Han as a unified state split into three nations when it was like 5000 little dudes that slowly coalesced into three big states.

>>158237565
I don't see how Oracle helps you that much for cultural. Getting a couple extra artists, writers and musicians isn't worth shit, and you probably end up getting more than you have space to house their works in.

>Sid Meier game
>best civilization is Kongo, literally the opposite of reality/history

now lets chop your dicks too

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>try to be friendly with peaceful civs
>they always hate me and denounce me
>try to be friendly with warmonger civs
>they don't ever backstab me and are friends with me the entire game

And I'm just doing a science victory. What's wrong with everyone in this game?

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Whoever chose the quotes for this game should be executed.

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will someone teach me how to play the game..

Can you really not queue productions in this game or am I missing something?

>>158237996
>Isladeb
Literally who?

>>158238030
the tutorial will

>>158237954
>a couple
I had at least 20 great writers.
>no space
Fuuuuuuck this shit it's retarded
>have library
>can't house Anna Karenina :^)))))

>>158237930
That's something else why the fuck is the pedia not on the main menu?

>>158237961
Sumeria is the best.

>>158237961
WE

>>158237996
Who the fuck is Isladeb? Another blogger?

>>158237996
What the fuck is he even talking about

>>158237586
How do you go cultural with him? Is he better than the "normal" culture civs like France Greece and America?

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>>158237961

new to civ games here. What should be the first thing i focus on at the start of the game? make a builder and start making farms and shit? or start a second city as soon as possible? i just don't know.

>>158238172
>>158238097
>>158238209
https://isladeb.com/
https://isladeb.com/
https://isladeb.com/

>>158236419
>Hills don't stand out at all
>Strategic view has the disgusting squiggly borders
These. Also:
Sun shining on the water makes it impossible to tell if it's coast or ocean
Adjacency bonuses aren't listed in production tooltip
Snow (Mountain)
Plains (Mountain)
Grassland (Mountain)
Desert (Mountain)
Tundra (Mountain)
No way to check opponents great works easily, you have to go several clicks deep into the trading screen (which involves loading the leader animation each time)
Ditto with resources
Ditto with relationship status beyond angry/neutral/friendly
Tiles in fog of war are hard to tell apart
No way to show trade route paths except when you're selecting a new one, and even then it doesn't show active ones
No way to see ALL POSSIBLE trade routes

Should I be building special improvements on bonus resources or what?

>>158238209
It sounds like he's talking about the ball game that Aztecs played.
The loser was sacrificed to the gods by having their heart removed.

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>>158237996
>who the fuck is IslaDeb
>just some fucking blogger
Why didn't they get somebody who was actually well-educated to choose the quotes?

>>158237961

Sumeria and both flavors of Greece are the best.

>>158238273
A
FUCKING
BLOGGER

i accidentally built a city in surrounded in snow thinking it was tundra (new to Civ 6)

any way I can salvage this? What do?

>>158238273
Why the actual fuck does Firaxis even know about these literal fucking who bloggers

>not Virgil or some shit
>even not just an actual description of the wonder like the Forbidden Palace quote
>just a fucking blogger

>>158238292
Chichen Itza isn't even fucking Aztec

>>158238328
Gotta cater to the kids who don't know who Heidegger is.

>>158238447
>i accidentally built a city in surrounded in snow thinking it was tundra
wat why would you build in tundra?

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>not playing as Saladin and converting or killing all the dirty kuffir

Nvidia updated and broke the game for me. Noice.

>>158238516
>implying kids know who the fuck isladeb is

>>158238447
Send a trader to that city, then make a trade route to your capital. Huge food/production gains.

>>158238516
>>158238492
>>158238426
>>158238328
>>158238292
>>158238273
>>158238209
>>158238172
>>158238097
>>158237996
What did you people expect
>Social Media is the greatest civil accomplishment of all mankind
>it's another Future Tech tier thing alongside Globalization which at least kind of makes sense
>Social Media
>literally Facebook
>Facebook is the greatest human achievement of all time

>>158238536
Maybe he's playing as Peter.

>>158238516
Heidegger is a relic of the white patriarchal society of the 19th and 20th century

>>158238536
im russia and i was reading the tool tips pre-game

sorry if this sounds nooby. is there any way to just delete the city?

i dont think there's anything i can do, no food, etc.

>>158238548
>Cairo
>not Mecca

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>aggressively forward settles right into my territory
>this happens
yes, yes and to think that 1 turn ago we were bros

Care to explain me why you can't demolish districts or even just fucking stop their production?

>trajan mad I'm not expanding that much

wtf he denounced me for not having 10000 cities.

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>>158238772
The same reason you have to sit through a long-ass animation that then fades to black so you can click goodbye

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>>158238681
Go fuck yourself with a cactus, you whore. You would enjoy it and we would be at peace.

>>158238832
>not mashing Esc

>>158238851
Did /pol/ or /r9k/ raid her after this desu

>>158238328
I thought it was a Monty Python quote?

Why does the AI send out so many unescorted settlers.

>peter out of the blue mocks me for being a poorfag
>i have over 500 gold and getting 11 per turn, 2 of which are from him from a deal
>two turns later he praises my economy

what speed do you guys play on?

>>158238919
>mash esc
>fade to black bs animation still loads

>>158238952
The only Monty Python quote I remember is ironically one of the better ones because it's actually passably funny unlike all of these shit-tier jokes

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>>158238772

>you built a district on the only source of niter/oil etc on the entire map

>>158238690
You can trade the city to another civ for like gold and shit.

>>158238772
>super awesome mountain +5 sci disctrict spot
>AI already built a campus at shitty position
>have to raze entire city just because of this
Basically you raze the entire city if you want to change the placement of 1 district.

>>158238980
I've found quick is a pretty comfy speed. End-game isn't too awful, not too fast.

>>158238925
No. They're all bark and no bite.

>>158239002
>le iron is rarer than fucking diamonds meme
>when the entire fucking reason it replaced bronze is because it was more easily obtained than the tin you needed for bronze

>5 turns to make corps of 3 cavalry
>sell for roughly 4k gold

WEW LADS

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>>158239215
>tfw coal is rarer than diamonds

I was going to mention in my review that there was some SJW in the game, but I decided it wasn't an important point to make in the review compared to all the other problems. Check it out at the Steam review page.

I wanna go for a culture victory, should I go with America, England, or Japan?

>>158236389
Oh shit, care to screencap your layout anon?

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>>158239321
>when you realize that there's literally only one source of Niter in the entire game

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>don't worry bro, you can build your army after getting the monument and expanding to a new city to block others from getting into your peninsula
>it's ok, it's going to be quick and safe

RRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


Are barbarians on steroids or something in this game?

What do I even do now?

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Alright /civ4xg/, first game of Civ 6. Coming from Civ 4 and 5.

Please give me some advice on some early game decisions here.

Given this start location, where would you settle, and what would you do next?

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>Build Coliseum
>Turns out to be the only source of uranium on the continent

>>158239539
You have 250 gold, buy a unit.

>>158239492
>single source of iron on map
>right next to Indias capital

>>158239539
Bend over.

>>158239427
SPARTA

>>158239539

>rushing a monument
>turn 24 with no military units near Paris
>probably didn't even build a scout
>actually building a settler with no escort and before you have even found a suitable location for the city

You deserve it you moron.

>>158239427

Sparta literally free culture all game even if you don't go to war by just clearing out the barbarian spam.

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>only one horse in the entire game
>it's right on top of scythia
>who also has the only source of iron on the fucking continent
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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you guys here discuss Sins of the Solar Empire too? or strictly Civ and Stellaris?

>>158239704

I actually have a warrior who destroyed a barbarian settlement to the south.

And a scout who was scouting near it.

I didn't expect to get gang-raped by 3 horse units in the meanwhile.

>>158239215
>>158239321
>Copper isn't even a luxury, it's a fucking production bonus when Gypsum, which is just a soft form of Marble, is

>>158239542
Any kind souls want to chime in?
Pls respond

Anyone got a link to the American ancient era theme with the banjo? I can't find it anywhere

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>>158239492
>when you realize you built a campus on it

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>try to do a religious victory
>every other civ spams their apostles at me non-stop the entire game

nevermind then

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So, I'm new to these kind o games. I've always historically been god awful at them, but Civ 6 looks like a whole ton of fun after watching quite a few hours of gameplay of it, even though I have no idea what I would do or how to do it.

Would anyone recommend Civ 6 as a good entry point to the genre, or as beginner friendly with its tutorial/easier difficulties? Because it looks like a LOT of fun and I'd prefer to not pirate it, because moralfag.

Is anyone else getting a bug where Great Admirals will detach from their attached escort ships and start sailing through the land?

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>>158239542

Is the chop everything meme worth the no production late game?

>>158239886
Nobody actually understands anything my man if you can't tell from the thread
Just settle on spot and grope blindly like the rest of us

>>158239964
>two turns away

>>158239867
Strategy in general.

>>158239542
You definitely want to move south to the grassland between the wheat. Tundra is useless early game. Mountains are OP, they give super bonuses to Campus, Holy Site, and Neighborhood. Hills are so rare that they are fucking gold, you need them to get mines for production or you'll stall out. Chop the trees, lumber mills come too late to be worth it in your capital.

>>158239873
You have unexplored territory 4 tiles from your city. Did you expect to just get lucky and have a city state there to protect you?

>>158239874
Why would copper be luxury? Plebs have no use for it.

>>158239957
Pirate it first then buy it if you had fun and want to keep playing?
It's totally different from all the ones before so it doesn't matter where you enter, you have to more or less relearn the game anyway

>>158239995
You can replant trees late-game if you really need production badly.

>>158240005
no just one. one to cross the river, one to move to spot and found city

>>158240067

y-yes

actually no, but I expect a single barbarian scout or warrior and not a small army

they are dead now tho, the AI can't handle my slinger inside the city.

>>158239957
Civ 6 in it current sate is not a good entry point. It actually increased in depth and difficulty (to play, not to win), whilst losing out the mods and patches/dlc that 5 has. To a player tired of 5 can be a breath of a fresh air. To a newbie, I'd reccomend to avoid it atleast untill EUI gets released.

>>158239959
>sailing through the land
Holy christ this game is fucked up badly.

>>158239542
Also, try to find some barren, non-flood plain Desert to build Pyramids and Petra, otherwise you're fucked.

>>158240149
o fug thought it was hill for some reason

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Is it better to settle on a river, or settle a tile away from it and build an aqueduct?

>>158239957
CIV 6 is a good starting point, even if it does have an awful UI right now.

>>158239215

>Playing on huge map as rome
>3 iron within 10 tiles around my capital

be a shame if no one else had swordsmen.

So uh... what's with the godawful UI and sparse support of hotkeys?

>>158240072
For making Bronze artifacts and such. Why the fuck is it just a +1 production bonus?

So I've played three games, done Science, Cultural and Religious. I'm just wondering, aside from the pop loss in the city from making the settler, is there ANY penalty for going wide? Because I'm not seeing one.

I tried doing a OCC just for laughs and everybody hated me for being so pathetic.

>>158240180
>>158240225
Hmm

>>158240260
The UI is actually mobile game tier. Like this isn't even /v/ spamming anymore, it really is that fucking bad

>Tfw still playing Endless Legend becasue no money for Civ

>>158240202
on river; aqueduct is kinda pants and watermill is good

>>158240354
You dodged a bullet

>>158240202
Unless you have a very good reason to not sit straight on a river, sit on a river.

>>158240329
Killed my ability to enjoy civ 6.

>>158240354
TFW playing endless dungeon because 6 is bad and tired of legend.

>>158240354
Civ still needs patches, probably many of them

>>158239957
Civ 6, I would not recommend. Go get Civ V with all the expansions.

Does buying units become more expensive the more you buy or is it tied to something else?

people are starting to realize the game is awful, right?

Sean Bean was a poor choice of narrator

>>158239957

Go for it. If you enjoy these kinds of games CIV VI will give you a great experience, probably one of the best out there.

Don't let the "hurr duur they changed my confort zone" and the "mama my l33t hud mods don't work anymore" whiny kids tell you otherwise.

You know exactly what kind of people I'm talking about.

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>>158240005
>>158239964
>>158240053
>>158240183
Do these revelations to the west change any of your minds?
I'm guessing >>158240053 is the most sensible given this info, but do share your thoughts

>>158240202
You only need an Aqueduct if you have a mountain nearby and no fresh water to get +6 housing. Otherwise, the +2 housing if a waste compared to an actual productive district.

I get the feeling aqueduct was supposed to be a tile improvement when they decided cities would need it.

>>158240329
What's so bad about the UI? I was thinking of picking it up but this is the biggest complaint I hear.

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>there's no niter at all in the game
>not even one source
>not even buried anywhere
>there's just no niter
How did I invent gunpowder again

>>158240537
there's a fixed price, you can see it in civilopedia

>>158240263
Going wide means you either have a ton of small cities which have increasing production cost for building districts, or you have some very big huge cities that are pissed as fuck all the time and spawning barbarian rebels because you don't have enough amenities.

>>158240418
>>158240465
>>158240475
Is it really that bad?

>>158240590
Its made with mobile/facebook users in mind, who they are tried to attract with this iteration. It lacks basic hotkey functionality, lacks information, lacks coherence, and generally displays no signs of competent UI design outside aesthetics.

I am fond of pigs

>>158240590
Going from Civ 5 with enhanced UI to Civ 6 is a massive step down. Hidden information and lack of clarity of game mechanics. If you've never played Civ 5 then it probably wont bother you.

>>158240590
See >>158236419
>>158236649
>>158236814
>>158237194
>>158238290
Besides the aesthetic which is subject to taste you have no idea what's happening half the time, you can't see anything, the information you need isn't very accessible or just isn't available period, etc.

>>158240628
Really? Maybe I was just having brain problems then, I was sure builders were costing me more each time.

>>158240815
Builders seem to get more expensive the more you build for some reason

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>>158240563
>>158240005
>>158239964
>>158240053
>>158240183
Shit wrong picture, sorry

>>158240815
oh, yeah i think civilian units do have a cost ramp

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Is there any reason to settle directly on the coast if I plan to build a harbor anyway?

>tfw no more Venice

So which civ is the best if I want to be rolling in gold?

>>158240921
No
There's literally no reason unless there's a billion fish tiles or something

>>158240603
You kept your pee in a jar.

>>158240857
No. You don't realize it, but MOUNTAINS ARE OP. You need mountains, you need districts to be built beside mountains, and you need to stack your districts next to each other. Anything else is useless.

For your capital, get as much bonuses as you can. Found a city next to the oranges later for the amenity, you'll need it as your city grows past 4 citizens.

>>158240921
Yes, lack of river, otherwise no. Technically boost for sailing, but it's an ancient era tech, who gives a fuck

Game desperately needs modding support.

>>158240747
It doesn't display signs of competent quote choice either
Seriously how hard could it be to just go onto wikiquotes or goodreads.com and type in 'kilmanjaro' and NOT take shitty fucking who bloggers

Is it supposed to be piss easy to win a cultural victory?

>>158241057

>Yes, lack of river

I don't follow.

>>158241057

>Technically boost for sailing

Oh, settling on a coast gives a boost to sailing? Seems like a small bonus.

>>158240921
Yes, if you're playing Norway for example not having direct access to the coast would delay your longships. Getting them out as quickly as possible to raid and capture builders+settlers is dank.

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>>158241169
Yes, it will happen before you even know it happened
pic related I literally couldn't win domination fast enough when I started from modern

>>158240801
For some reason, the strategic map is really cute. I like it way better than the actual game map.

>>158241191
>I don't follow.
Water gives housing, I.E. pop cap. Fresh water, aka river/lake, gives 4 coastal 2.
>Seems like a small bonus.
Try irrelevant.

Coastal cities badly need a buff. Extra yield from sea resources if the city is coastal, or trade routes can only embark at cities or harbors

>>158241272
Maybe because it actually fucking shows you what is happening

>>158241191
Having
>Access to fresh water
determines your maximum population size in a city. If you don't have a river, which is the most at +6, you only get +4 from coasts and +2 from no water at all.

>>158241327
>>158241365

I see. So if there's a river, don't bother settling on the coast. If not, settle on the coast.

>>158241441
Settle so you can aqueduct from a mountain is probably plan b.

>>158241365

Does that stack? Do I get +10 if I settle on a coast and river?

>>158241534
Yeah but then you give up a district bonus by building one next to your city center instead of building some housing boost.

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WHAT IS THE CIV6 JAPAN THEME BASED ON

I NEED TO KNOW

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>>158241008
Alright! So I settled here. And...I discovered a new continent? What?

T-thanks Fractal map?

Okay, so what do you figure should be my first early priorities? tech wise, culture wise, unit wise, etc

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I can literally feel myself turning into a bitter /v/irgin as I play this game

>>158241568
No.

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Why the fuck is the game playing some flute rendition of Fleetwood Mac's Landslide?

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>spawn next to 2 camps with horses
>a third one pops up next to the iron
haha very epic

>>158241654
Rush Foreign Trade. Joint War the third major civ you find.

Does going 4-city for a Cultural Victory is a terrible idea now?

More cities means more production needed for them wonders, but I don't know the sweet spot anymore.

Even on epic science is just way too fast.
Troops on classic but city defenses on medieval, thats some stupid shit.

>>158241654
What difficulty?

If I buy a horse unit as Scythia will I get two of them, same as if I'd actually spent the production building them?

>>158241965
No anon, theres no reason to stay at 4 cities, even when going for culture victory.

For any victory type theres no reason to stay small, go wide.

>>158241996
King Difficulty. Wanted to go somewhat easy on myself. I used to play on Emperor on Civ 5

>>158241892
Will do

>>158242029
Nope, using gold is disgraceful.

When playing Catherine de Medici - what should my build order be? What do I want to rush? I'm pretty new to Civ games.

>>158241008

Its kinda retarded how good mountains are

I'd like to try out a Deity game, what's the absolute best civ for an ez win?

Is it even possible to rename cities?

>>158242332
Scythians but imo they are basically an exploit

>>158241979
Yeah I don't know what their idea with this was.

>>158242363
No.

>>158242301
It doesn't even make sense
Why the fuck do mountains give extra science before you discover astronomy and have fucking telescopes
Fuck it doesn't even matter for that early astronomy, being on top of a mountain is useful for very faint stars

>>158242332
Rome, win continent, go for whatever win con afterwards.

>>158242137
You'll want an army to fight off barbarians.

>>158242029
>>158242209
same with venetian arsenal. need to actually produce the ships to get both

>>158242417
Morale reasons, I guess? Being closer to mountains might make you want to learn more about the heavens? And there's the geology angle to consider too.

What would be a good game to start learning 4X games with? I'm pretty new but I really like the way games like Civ play

>>158242584
>geology angle
Early science is mainly mathematics, not physics or chemistry or whatever.

>>158242662
The civ games

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>>158239951
>France has 3 cities
>constantly swarmed with apostles and missionaries
Where's she getting all this faith, I was only on King.

>>158242685
Its so you can harness the power of all the mountain hermits.

Why are there some civs that are so retardedly good
Sumeria
Scythia
Rome
Gorgo's Greece
Literally how did anyone think this is balanced

>>158240393
>>158240583
Not that anon, but as a follow-up question, are the Roman Baths still worth it?

>you can learn nuclear fission without learning how to build silos
I mean it makes sense but damn I thought you launched nukes like you did in civ 5

>>158242273
>build order

hahahaha

>>158242738
>Scythia pumps out horses for 25% cost
>you can literally get twice the amount of gold it takes to produce the horse from selling your horses
>you can literally make nothing but horses all day and simply buy the buildings you need
What the FUCK

>>158242770
>4 housing and an amenity for 25 production
What do you fucking think?

>>158242415
In all the hours they playtested this did not one dev think to themselves "alright time to rename my city into a meme, oh wait I can't"? How the fuck is this allowed?

>>158242869
O-okay.

Civ 6 nub question - what happens if I settle on top of a resource?

>>158242905
You can't rename Judiasm into Good Goy or Catholicism into childfuckers either

are industrial zones a must have for any city? seems like it takes forever to build anything without one.

>>158242738
Scythia is straight up broken, Rome is a close second

Sumeria and Gorgo aren't as bad. They're just top tier.

>>158242905
There's a whole lot of things that should have come up in playtesting that evidently didn't.

>>158243020
Sumeria is pretty fucking broken
>le ziggaraut spam
>war carts holy fucking shit
>Tribal Villages ALL FUCKING GAME

>>158243020
What makes Rome so strong?

>>158243129
their bonuses
you can read them in civpedia ;)

who's the best for science victory
who's the best for culture victory
who's the best for score victory
don't care about religion, it's a meme

>>158243129
They're just good at fucking everything. If it's not something your civ is specifically specialized in then Rome does it better because of all their free shit

>>158237221
while this is being discussed, have they made combat ai not hot garbage in terms of engagement distance, ship priorities, and movement speed?

>>158243129
Rome is very very good at going wide early which Civ 6 already rewards you for doing so

If you turn off religious victory will the ai still carpet your lands in missionaries?

>>158239942
do you actually not get a resource if you've built a district on top of it

and you can't demolish districts either?

what kind of fucking retard thought this was acceptable?

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Is Pericles' ability secretly really good? It seems pretty shitty compared to Gorgo's but maybe because I'm too shit to get Suzerain with more than one or two city states. An an aside making multiple leaders with only one ability different and making them both cultural in nature is pretty dull. I seriously hope they're not going to be making a bunch of leader only DLC.

>>158243298
yes.

how do i zoom out in civ 6 without a mouse wheel?

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Alright then.
I guess that explains why's he bullying me so much.

>>158243278
Even without going wide their free monument is huge early on because it's literally equivalent to a granary or slinger and a half. It also means he gets the first culture tech and first civics with the+1 hammer / god king at least 15 turns before you guaranteed.

>>158243086
>Tribal Villages ALL FUCKING GAME
Yeah but then you find they just keep giving you 60 faith.

>>158243298
>>158243391
AI religion behavior needs to be turned WAY down.

Or at least let me close my fucking borders. I'll take a diplo hit, idgaf

>>158243407
+/- duh

>>158243086
Does anyone have a list of tribal village bonuses for VI?

What's the maximum radius cities get to now? Also, in case keeping cities spaced so they don't overlap ISN'T a good idea, what kind of distance is good?

>>158243535
+60 gold
+60 faith
le free scout

>>158243534
but - is set to record for shadowplay

>>158241667
ORORORORORORORORORORORORO-

>>158243129
Roads to cities automatically means that unlike pleb civs, Roman units can actually travel between your empire and defend it.

Roman Baths are so much better than Aqueducts, they actually get built and your cities can grow faster mid-game.

The automatic Culture boost from Trajan's Column makes it easy to blow through the Civic tree and get all those Government bonuses early on.

someone explain saladins worship building giving 10% science, culture and faith of his cities

it seems too strong so i must be reading it wrong literal global 10% boost

>>158243590
Free worker exists.
Eurekas for techs and civics.

>>158243523
>hey guys i have a great idea
>you know that new victory type they added?
>let's make ai not try to get it!
>and let me cockblock them if they do!
>that will surely make the game more fun for retarded casuals like me!

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>>158242959
Some shithead dev probably just thought the renaming religions aspect was too offensive.

>>158243680
You hardly ever get them

>>158243680
I've seen 1+ population as well.

>>158243590
free promotion (maybe only if xp <15)
random tech boost
relic (at least in ancient)
worker

>>158243571
still 3 workable tiles in each direction. don't know about cultural border maximum, probably 5 as it was in civ 5

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>tfw wanting to focus on culture and thinking about getting lots of archaeological relics like Indiana Jones
>tfw when I get this on turn 2 or so

Are cities not allowed to shoot back when they are under siege?
What exactly makes a city be under siege?

I had an encirclement earlier and it was perfectly able to shoot me and heavily wound my legionairs to the point where I had to retreat.

Now on my second attempt I have the same unit placement but the city counts as under siege and its like taking baby candy now.

>>158243694
>so many fucking apostles you literally can't move your settler or builders
Bring back doomstacks then, oh wait you're a fucking casual and thinks they're too scary because the AI actually uses them

>>158243807
Cities can only shoot if they have walls built in them. Sieging doesn't affect their attack capabilities, I think.

>>158243792
There's a heal as well.

The relics can be op as fuck.

>>158243807
you need wall upgrades

So duplicate luxuries provide no extra amenities in you cities?

https://youtu.be/P_F7_td7M5s?t=31m4s

>>158242332

Russia seems pretty good since I assume the ai will almost always be ahead in science and culture.

>>158243804
how do you get relics?

>>158243807
You need to build walls before you can shoot back with cities.

A city becomes under siege if melee units exert zone of control all around it. A melee unit controls all the hexes around it unless there's a river in the way.

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damn this really made me contemplate things

>>158243841
Easy solution.

Apostle doomstacks.

>>158243992
goody huts or apostles with martyr ability
>>158243964
correct, they're just trade bait

So what's the general agreed starting build? I've been doing
>scout
>monument
>slinger
>worker
>granary/settler depending on what I've found