/civ4xg/ - Civilization, Stellaris, Endless and 4X Games General

How do I get good at Endless Space?

>>158206036
Last thread because I am a faggot
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>>158183795

GAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY DISTRICTS

Reminder to report and ignore shitposting.

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Why is the border expansion priority so fucked? It should've grabbed that sugar long ago, now this whore took it on the first border expansion

i unlocked renaissance walls. My capital has medieval walls. 2 other cities have medieval walls. Rest of my cities have ancient walls. For some reason i cant build walls anywhere anymore. i cant upgrade my medieval to renaissance and i cant upgrade my ancients to medieval.

What the fuck is going on?

>>158206179
R&I btfo

Cleo!

>>158206181
>not buying it first thing

why

>>158206036
>No last thread
>Anime

NOPE

Go here, real thread:
>>158206120
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>>158206036
So..anyway to increase empire count, how many players in a map more then 8 in Endless Legend?

Also I used the world customization mod and the map is still very small, how do i properly make it huge so i wont be 1 region away from every empire?

>>158206349
kill yourself thread wars

Is it stupid to try and play Civ 6 the way I played Civ 5? I feel like I'm doing stuff wrong here and it's getting me fucked, all of my opponents hate me and I feel like I'm not focusing on anything specific. This is only on Prince too as Peter.

>>158206349
Kill yourself, go to /gsg/ for your epic thread drama

>>158206349
HELLO R3DDIT

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>>158206036
Vocaloid mods when

>>158206416
Probably as soon as modding is up

>>158206349
>double thread
Against the rules.

>>158206416
Hopefully soon.

So how many things does the newest update for Stellaris brake?

>ooga booga man tells me my economy is strong
>next turn tells me it is weak and starts war

fucking hell

Who do I pick for a Science Victory game? Already played Tomyris, Peter and Montezuma.

is there any way to have scouts automatically go into tribal villages?

>not switching to quick movement and combat

Don't you want a smoother experience?

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>>158206349
First thread wins faggot

>>158206378
Yes, you can't really go tall that well anymore. It still works with certain people and certain approaches but not that well, you have to focus on economy and culture and shit. Grabe Oracle for infinite great person spam

>>158206557
Sumeria they're literally babylon tier with ziggurat spam

Civ6: Someone else get extremely long turn times somewhere in the early midgame? It like almost crashes, more like a freeze, but you can tell windows to wait for an answer and then it will continue normally until you start the next turn.
I checked the taskmanager and it shows me that the game is running on lower than normal for processor priority, if I try to change it, I can tab back into the game, the Turn plays out without a problem and fast THEN it freezes again and after a while it plays the turn again. If you check it reverted back to lower than normal as processor priority.

Relevant Hardware:
AMD FX Series FX-6350 6x 3.90GHz So.AM3+

4096MB HIS Radeon R9 290 IceQ X2 OC

8GB (2x 4096MB) Crucial Ballistix Sport DDR3-1600 DIMM CL9-9-9-24 Dual Kit

I already changed the install path from the hdd to the ssd and it didn't help.

>>158206557

Science Victory is more about end game production than science, so Barbarossa is your man.

>>158206693
Go into event manager and see what's in there, it sounds almost like a storachi 129 event

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> Set up rally points because We Wuz Logistics N Sheet
> All my shipyards path through Pirate Base system
> Get rekt
F U C K
U C K
C K
K

>>158206790
>setting a rally point through a pirate system

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>>158206209 →
Thanks, guys!

What would you say are the least damaging negative traits in Stellaris?

I know that Stationary is a good choice, as there's no real downside to it mechanically, and Decadent can be worth it if you're a dedicated slaver-species and you don't mind dealing with the consequences there, but what else would you suggest?

>>158206790
can a player get some kind of behemoth ship like that?
or is that just a dick tease

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>>158206827
The pirate system is smack in the middle of my empire. I pretty much can't NOT go through it.

>>158206880
"Weak", because army strength is almost entirely irrelevant, so it's effectively a free point

>3 games with gandhi
>his hidden agenda is always nuke happy
has anyone even gotten a different hidden agenda with him, or is it always memes?

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>>158206449
How long until modders port over their Civ 5 work, you think?

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Anybody want to try a /civ4xg/ MP game in Civ6? I can host it, unless someone else wants to.

>>158206996
It's literally always that

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>>158206969
Nah, it's a dick tease.
I haven't got Leviathans, I think that Pirate bitch is literally the strongest ship in normal 1.3.
Although I also found this thing, which is close

>>158207061
Wait until next weekend when they might've pushed out a basic patch imo
Also I haven't gotten around to buying the game yet so I can't play :3

>>158206749
Are his industrial bonuses even that strong? All I see is some slightly better adjacency for his version of the Industrial Zone.

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What the fuck is the point of this? This game doesn't even give me any diplomatic options to stop these assholes from attacking. Why the fuck can't this dick just force me to become a vassal instead of just forcing me to lose this game. Why the fuck does this game even pretend anything else but game over is going to happen. Should just fucking throw that game over screen or take the illusion of choice out of the game completely. Fucking redundant bullshit this is.

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>Valknut as symbol of Norway
>mrw the leader is a christian cuck

So Stellaris is crazy, seems like it has content off the walls and I just started. Should I first finished my civ game then start this game? I know this game is long as fuck but not sure HOW long. Are we talking 40-100 hours long..

>>158207279
What did you do to piss them off, anyway?

Late game is so fucking slow.

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>Day 3
>Emperor
>Game just makes the AI hate you for merely razing 1 CS and taking the other
Not my fault they settled too close :^)

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>>158207279
> only been fighting for 3 months
The enemy demands drastically reduce if you drag the length of the war out.
I once stalled for 14 years to barter them down to just a "Humiliation".
The AI is usually quite stupid and often cannot into planetary invasions, so you might well manage it.

>>158206765
Checked the Event viewer, didn't see anything that looks like Storachi 129. What do I have to look for?

What the fuck does tall mean? does it mean building a empire instead of a small one? If so I always went tall in every game I ever played. Its fucking boring not doing anything. Also fuck this game for bullying you for going to war this much. If I have positive emememties will I still revolt?

>>158207439
I said no to them once and that caused a -200 opinion change because that is totally reasonable considering the fuck all options I have to fix that.

Why the fuck does this game even make you choose if it's not an option unless you're in the year 3000 and a fucking huge empire anyway? Might as well fucking forcibly make you vassal of the FE and be done with it. Also, why does this FE not give a flying fuck about anyone else? These fuckers haven't anyone else to become their vassals or anything. They're just focusing on me 100%.

>>158206036
Has Vert said whether he's going to mod for Civ VI?

Is anyone going to mod for Civ VI?

>playing stellaris
>running on a toaster
>start on a 800 star system and 14 races (+2 fallen)
>game is running well
>game gets slower and slower as time goes on
>reached the point where it crashes if i play on fastest
>reached the point where it crashes on fast
>now its crashing on normal
god fucking dammit

5 days until the next weekend before I can play civ6

I'm of the opinion that technology progresses too fast in comparison to the rate of production in Civ VI. By the time you trigger the Industrial era, you're lucky if you've managed to update your units and buildings to the modern era.

I'm about to to edit this and make tech progress much more slowly.

How slow do you think it needs to be in order to balance out tech progress with production? 10%? 25%? 50%? 100%?

>>158207556
Lets use civ5:
>Tall
>Between 3-5 cities
>Better for Science + Cultural

>Wide
>5+
>Riskier and slower, but great for late game war
Civ 6 is way different, i'd say that 8 cities is Tall and 12+ is Wide

>>158206971
Thanks.

I'd been using Plutocratic Oligarchy to help my early-game economy, but would you suggest another government?

Maybe something science-focused, like Scientific Directorate or Despotic Hegemony?

>>158206660
Guess I'll need to just get more of a feel for the game as I go, enjoying it so far though, just need to find it cheap enough to buy for MP. How are you guys finding it?

>>158207524
Yeah, except I can't stall them in any shape of form and they will force those demands anyway so I might as well give them everything just like this stupid game should've just ended the game when I disagreed with these assholes.

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>>158207413
>So Stellaris is crazy, seems like it has content off the walls and I just started.
It has lots of content, but after like 3 games you've seen it all and there's very little replayability.
Because there's no real win condition or end date games just last as long as you can be bothered to keep going. Mine are usually about 50 hours but I think that's longer than usual 'cos I play slooooooow and larpy.

>>158207617
rts sucks

>>158207506
What map type are you playing on? I'm looking for a map sort of like that, with largish islands that you can settle a few cities on. From personal experience, the islands map type always makes super small islands that barely fit one city, let alone 3-5.

>>158206969
One of the military government types lets you build a super sized version of a basic ship with bonus stats.

If you supersize a battleship its about that size

>>158207775
>Because there's no real win condition
No 4X has a win condition

>>158207726
Yeah but don't you have to feel like going after one of 3 of those fucking resources all the dam time somewhere in the middle of nowhere just to get it? I have a really shitty city in the north pole for oil.

I though civ 6 had no penalty for having more cities?

>>158207785
Huge, Island Plates, Standard are my setting for this England game

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>>158207730
One of the problems with Stellaris (why, indeed, it isn't very replayable) is that all the governments and ethoses play almost exactly the same. The differences are 95% cosmetic, so to be honest I'd just recommend going with the one that sounds most fun.

I think if you're minmaxing the consensus is that Irenic Monarchy is best, although that was before the new update, they might have rebalanced shit now.

>>158207695
The timing of everything is fucked. But it's especially bad for military units.
>10 turns to make a single sub
>Or spend 2000+ gold

>>158207950
did the update add a lot of stuff to the game?

>>158207584
Does their empire say "Keepers of Knowledge", or "Enigmatic Observers"?

If you piss them off, you're fucking dead, kiddo.

>>158207950
>The differences are 95% cosmetic
That is a massive load of horseshit and you know it

>>158207910
>I though civ 6 had no penalty for having more cities?
iirc leddit said that there was some production penalties to expanding loads - but apperently it's minor

The only real penalty is the Amenity, with 1 resource only going to 4 cities - so try and multiply every luxury by 4 when expanding
Or pick up some policies that give you some

How do the district AoEs work?
I read that disctricts will give bonuses to nearby cities if they're in range. What's the range? What bonuses do the other cities get? Can I stack the same bonuses if I build the same districts in all my cities?

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>>158207902
I wasn't being pejorative. I like that it's open-ended, but it does mean that quite often you come to the end of the game in a bored slouch rather than a blaze of triumphalist catharsis.

>dedicate production to fulfilling city state quest
>AI just rolls over them anyway
>have to go liberate it
Should at least be able to declare city states to be under your protection.

>>158207980
this wtf lucky for England I got that awesome wonder that gives you 2 ships for 1. but yeah its like this just doesn't want you going to ar.

how do you sea trade on civ 6?

Rolling what to play
1-3 Stellaris
4-6 Civ 5
7-9 Endless Legend
0 Civ BE lul

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>>158208120

>>158208120
Lul.

>>158208020
They are Watchful Regulators.

Why the fuck are these assholes beyond every gameplay mechanic? Not even the worlds they conquer have a slightest chance to revolt because they get fucking no penalties to happiness so my xenophobe militant asshole citizens are just gonna be all happy and fine being conquered by xeno assholes.

At least make them some how resemble the normal empires. You can't make a racist, deviant asshole into a happy can-do citizen with big guns.

>>158208114
>but yeah its like this just doesn't want you going to ar.
I felt it's the opposite because non-warfare is so boring and even slow

>>158206969
If you like big ships, try SotS 2.

Liir-Zuul leviathan who shits out couple of Battleships with about billion capital beams is quite a sight

>>158208120
Have fun playing that shitty game all day

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>>158208024
> That is a massive load of horseshit and you know it
Go on then, anon, tell which government / ethos becomes top dog by a strategy other than
> 1) build 1,000 tachyon battleships
> 2) DoW everyone

>>158208026
>- so try and multiply every luxury by 4 when expanding

Doesn't work, every surplus luxury copy won't be used for anything but trade. Someone on leddit tested it. So a luxury gives amenities to 4 cities, no matter how many copies you have.

Also you like tripple the production cost of districts if you have 4 cities. RIP.

>>158207584
Well, it's your fault for picking the option that "displeases" FEs.

You don't do that until you are big and advanced enough.

>Another civilization has an active claim on this Great Person
can't fucking found a religion because of this shit

what do?

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Daily reminder defensive stations are wildly underestimated

>place one of these down
>place a bunch of fortresses around it with a combination of large, small and point defense
>create ring of death which forces the AI to attack it at a fraction of the maintenance cost of a navy

>>158207617
>playing on a toaster
>800 star system and 14+2 races

nigga you dumb as fuck

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>>158208120

>>158208252
I'm gonna leave it there to remind me of my miserable existence

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>>158208279
Oh well
Not like this game isn't ez as fuck anyway if you survive the barb rush

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>>158208014
Added maybe another couple of playthroughs' worth of content.

So they put more shit in there to see, but didn't do anything to deal with the fundamental problem that after you've seen every event once, the underlying game remains boring and repetitive.

Is there a menu that lists your active units somewhere? Can't even find my builders.

What to do with a rainforest tile?

>>158208430
>but didn't do anything to deal with the fundamental problem that after you've seen every event once, the underlying game remains boring and repetitive.
In your opinion, and by that opinion all 4X games are boring and repetitive.

>>158208120
If dubs I buy Civ 6

>>158207902
Only they do.

Scientific\Diplomatic\Wonder\Domination\etc

Stellaris only has one of those, which pretty much forces an expansionist playstyle if you want to "really" finish the game.

>>158208531
Stellaris has 3; expansionist, military and diplomatic.

>>158208526
same

>>158208286
Yeah, I'm so glad the game made it abundantly clear clicking that Decline button is basically the same as quitting to menu and starting a new game.

Fantastic gameplay feature I must say. Why not add in a random pop up where you choose a smiley face and frowny face and if you choose a frowny face, it quits the game and if you choose a smiley face, it takes half of your shit and prevents you from declaring wars and disables most diplomatic features. This is so much fun.

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why is the ai so bad

>>158208687
>having one AI dislike you is the same as quitting the game

Maybe gitgud. This isn't Sim City. You are meant to get in conflicts. Its how you win.

>>158208201
Apparently it's just a new type of fallen empire that just wants to regulate every-bodies technology.

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>>158208590
This is like saying "Beyond Earth has loads of different victory conditions: build the Harmony thing, build the Supremacy thing, build the Purity thing".
While technically distinct, they all require you to do almost exactly the same thing in terms of gameplay. So too with Stellaris: all 3 of those victories require massive fleet-based conquests.

What kind of starting build order?
If I want a prophet, where should I inject a district into it?
How to hit 6 pop with all this so I can begin settler spam?
Should I be building settlers even before I the 50% bonus production?

>>158208694
As sad as it might sound it might actually because they can't make a better AI
I always thought they made the AI stupid fo casuals to not scream at it but /gsg/ just discovered that Paradox is actually unable to figure out better AI when Arumba somehow did it in a fucking mod

>>158208687
The tooltip literally tells you if FE will be pleased or displeased.

>>158208687
>Yeah, I'm so glad the game made it abundantly clear clicking that Decline button is basically the same as quitting to menu and starting a new game.
Not him but its not. You were not paying attention to diplomatic relations with different factions and you got burned for it. You dont have to follow what FEs say, but you should have known that that FE didnt like you and saying no would piss them off even more

This is 100% your fault. Also, dont bitch about a feature you can turn off. If you dont like FEs dont play with them.

>>158208794
No, its like saying VI has the exact same victory conditions because it all falls down to spamming a purple, white or blue building until you win.

If you want to say the victory conditions are lame go head, but hold every 4X game to the same standard, they all have shitty victory conditions.

And for the record only the military conquest requires a fleet. You can legitimately finish the game without warfare.

What the fuck are bonus resources for?
Are they useless?

>>158208794
>So too with Stellaris: all 3 of those victories require massive fleet-based conquests.
I just won without going to war with any factions or having a large fleet so how do you explain that?

>>158208814
In this case I observed Spain's AI for most of the game.
It build units, moved towards Montezuma to attack. Then Montezuma completed a district, and his score went up, and Spain's AI decided he is too strong for them, so they moved back.
The continued building units to prepare for their attack, and when they had a few more they moved in. But then Montezuma finished conquering a city state, so his score went up, so Spain AI decided he is too strong, and moved back, to build more units.
Now a player would know that in the first place Monty had a smaller unit, since he invested in districts, and in the second his army is far away. But in this game a civilization's war ability is tied to some score that goes up doing things that don't have to do with military might necessarily.
In the third attempt to move on Monty I saw they moved back when he founded a city. How does Montezuma founding a city make it less likely for Spain's attack to succeed? I don't know, but Spain moved back on the turn after Monty founded that city, and he kept building more units.

So now Montezuma has several cities, founded and conquered from city states, and a good size army, and Spain hasn't expanded yet, or built any districts other than the military one, and they continue pursuing their early game strategy of bum rushing him, hundreds of turns later, with their army so large it covers the entire peninsula, but still not large enough to compete with Monty's overall score, and thus Spain still doesn't consider itself ready for war, and builds more shitty outdated units.

>>158209072
Seems like you can harvest them for instant food or whatever, or just improve them for good gains.

>>158208963
As far as 1.2 goes, it has these two

Conquest: requires to conquer or subjugate all other empires.
Domination: requires to colonize/conquer 40% of all colonizable planets; planets owned by vassals count but those owned by allies and Federation members do not.

I guess they also added a Federation victory condition in 1.3.

Try and tell me how do you "win" with those conditions without ever waging war.

>>158207163
There's a spacewar mp patch though that works only with other people who have it installed

>>158209072
The UI does a terrible job making it clear. Bonus resources typically give +1 food, production, or +2 gold on the tile. Luxury resources in comparison give bonuses as well as that coveted +4 amenity.

>>158208831

I have no fucking means to know how powerful the FEs are, I have no idea how displeased they will become when I disagree one fucking offer. Considering that every other demand for vassalization causes -20 penalty to relations, getting a fucking -200 penalty to a faction that you can't interract with is certainly not something I can know before I click decline. Also, what the fuck is seriously the point of giving me an option in this when I cannot say anything but yes if I want to continue playing the game.

>>158208824
Yeah, that's really descriptive and fully explains that if I make one option it'll make me forcibly lose the game.

>>158208739
>having one AI dislike you is the same as quitting the game

Yeah, it fucking literally is. I can't stop FE from stomping my shit, I can't interract with them diplomatically to make up for that -200 fucking relation penalty, I can't defeat them militarily, I can't ask to become their vassal anymore after refusing once.

That's literally the same as quitting the game since you are forced to lose anyway.

>>158209242
So it's basically just extra food/production or whatever? Alright, thanks.

>>158209074
> I just won without going to war with any factions or having a large fleet so how do you explain that?
No you didn't

>>158209252
>i am bad at video games and it makes me angry

>>158209214
Okay

>Conquest; kill everyone
>Domination; expansion rush with colony ships and frontier outposts
>Federation; alliance victory through diplomatic ties

I can tell you've never even tried to play a diplomatic race before. This is like you claiming that military victory is the only viable victory condition in VI because its the only one you've tried.

>>158208024
Which government would you suggest, then?

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...Should I just restart?

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>>158209252
>Going near a Fallen Empire
This was your mistake. The trick is to not do that.

>>158209430
Hos is that bad though

>>158209252
>I have no fucking means to know how powerful the FEs are
Yes you do, the game tells you they are late game hugely powerful when you mouse over the option when you start

But now you know, so either play with them off or stop crying that you lost because of your own fault.

>>158209252
Mate, it quite clearly states that their power is overwhelming compared to yours. They can destroy you if they so wish. And by picking that option you've given them a reason to.

To use real examples, you don't go insulting MMA world champions, getting your face kicked in, and then complaining that "Nobody told me they're gonna react like that".

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>>158209430
Settle here, your growth will be disgustingly high, your second city will get the mountains adjacency if you want it so much.
Huge capital with a harbor district later is good. The growth potential here is absurd.

>>158209430
You'll need to settle on the coast if you want to rush galleys
Save the game, start another round and if it's better than this one continue

>>158209332
Oh im sorry, I didnt realize the thing that happened to me didnt because it doesnt fit into your narrative.

>Colonized 50% of space with early game rush
>huge ass war took place that left three allied factions with another 30%
>federated up after financing their wars and won

You should actually use charismatic and xenophile sometime anon, its a lot of fun.

In Stellaris, would you advise I go with Talented, for an extra Leader Bonus, or Quick Learners, for more rapid leveling?

How do Morgawr work in Endless Legend? I'm pretty new to the game, and the genre in general, but is it possible to completely ignore the land with them? What do you do about cities and stuff?

How the fuck do I keep ethics divergence in check without fanatic spiritualists or insane happiness bonuses? Spending influence is not a long term solution.

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Should I?

>>158208273
I didnt even see your reply at first, I guess the level of bullshit in it was overwhelming
>1,000 tachyon battleships
>he doesnt even follow the patch notes

>>158209408
Expansionist + Food can be great early game for space grabbing, but you have to deal with divergence.

>>158209675
>>158209749
Uninstall the game. It fixed that for me

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wish this had more hills but ill take it

>>158209803
What did I do to you?

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>>158209660
Well it didn't happen, what you describe is statistically impossible in the game. The AI is programmed to pounce on people with shit fleets, and the planet spawning is designed to prevent you being able to colony spam due to the influence vs. distance costs.

You see, unfortunately for you, I have actually played the game.

>>158209517
basically a 1 city area

>>158209564
>>158209579
I went with the coast above the wheat , harbors are OP

>>158209858
Gave monies to paracocks

>>158209675
Quick Learners. Talented is a bit RNG whereas quick learners is consistently useful overall.

>>158209749
Increase the amount of happiness/habitat in your empire, use the edict, use a leader with happiness in control of sectors to spread the bonus, colonize close to your capital (or move it) to reduce divergence impact.

Or just purge everyone.

I am fond of pigs.

>>158209358
What the fuck are you arguing about mate.

The number of empires in stellaris is so fucking huge that you'll never have 40% of colonizable planets without ever fighting anyone.

Federation victory is basically the same thing, only it counts all the empires that are a part of a Federation. They still would have to fight to get to the 40% mark.

And you can do literally nothing else. You can't make your empire the economic center of the galaxy, you can't make it a huge tourist resort, you can't invent some neat tech.

>>158209907
Personally i would have gone 1 tile to the west and settled, just for the Bananas and getting the spices on t1

Best of luck

When will a C2C mod exist for Civ VI

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I'm looking for YouTube channels or Twitch streamers that are actually good at Civ 6, so I can learn how to play decently.

Is there anyone you could recommend? I don't really want "first impressions" tier stuff, I'd like maybe seasoned Civ players figuring it out but with a large bulk of experience behind them.

>>158210056
There really should be an Ascension Gate tech

>>158210067
Why would you want that

>>158209898
I had a fleet, I never used it in war.

I had more than enough influence because I had elections every 5 years and 150 to 250 influence per election promise, as well as rushing early gain influence increases. You also get a lot from researching new races which I also rushed by sending out scouts.

Unfortunately for you, I know you only play 1 playstyle and pretend its the only way to play. Get some imagination and ingenuity.

>>158210065
was also going for as much actual land as I could get for districts and such

>>158209468
They are next to me. I can't not be near them.

>>158209521
Yes, the game tells me that they are powerful, what it doesn't tell me is that they are so shallow and one dimensional that you can literally not do anything but say yes and give up any empire building ambitions you have and diplomatic options or just end the game and decline them. I thought they might be options to do something about them and that there would be options to fucking interact with them after I decline them. It does not say that this will literally end the game and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>158209534
Yes, overwhelming like many other AI's who I can still resist. This is exactly why I hate those comparisons. They should be crude fucking statistics, not some vague adjectives.

Yes, they can destroy me but why would they destroy me when their original request was to make me a vassal and they can just force me to do that?

Oh yes, it's because they have no fucking penalties for expansion so they don't have to worry about revolting planets like everyone else so might as well take all of them.

>>158210131
Because Civ VI might not be optimized like garbage and it'd make better use of the districts system since C2C has the chronic problem of 100000000000 buildings.

>>158210143
Oh then fair enough

>>158209898
>being able to colony spam due to the influence vs. distance costs.
It stops players taking planets far away, it doesnt stop you taking lots of planets that are close

Its only 30 influence per planet if its close which is nothing. Combined with massive food increases which means more pops which means more border growth you can minimize the influence cost pretty much entirely.

How does Tuner work in Civ VI?

>>158209829
give the seed anon.

>>158209989
>Or just purge everyone.
This is the only answer. Not even memeing. Being able to purge is a goddam necessity.

>>158210056
>I play on max universe size and max races as a militaristic xenophobe
>WHY IS IT ONLY WAR
And so I found the source of your problem

>You can't make your empire the economic center of the galaxy, you can't make it a huge tourist resort, you can't invent some neat tech.
Jesus anon you can literally do all three of those, I seriously have to ask do you even play Stellaris?

>>158210020
At his best man is the noblest of all animals...

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>>158210075
Pls respond
Thread is moving so fast, damn

>>158210075
Marbozir and FilthyRobot

>>158210056
>You can't make your empire the economic center of the galaxy
Yes you can, you cant do much with it but you can focus economics.

>you can't make it a huge tourist resort
This one is pretty hard and serves no real purpose other than pops but its possible

>you can't invent some neat tech.
There are literal game changing events combined with late game technology, and a whole way to play a tall science empire

I realize you're being overly aggressive because you think that anon is an asshole but dont become an asshole too anon.

>>158208797
District should be 3rd or 4th build if you want to be absolutely sure to get a religion. First is usually scout for me, then military or builder or another scout depending on civ/map/etc.

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>>158206036
Should I get Stellaris now while it is 25% off or should I wait for the fall Steam sale for it to go lower? Also, where is the best Stellaris tutorial so I don't just flop about aimlessly for the first several hours of gameplay?

>>158210181
>It does not say that this will literally end the game and there's nothing you can do about it.
There was something you could do about it. You could have said yes which you should have done if you had not been ignorant to your diplomatic situation with them. But here is the last (you) you so desperately want.

Is there anything I should know about Amenities and the affect of Luxuries?

>>158210342
>If choose a setup in which the only two empires are mine and a fanatic pacifist one I can win without fighting!
Yeah, mate, it's a flawed argument

>Can literally do all three of those
You sure you're not playing Endless Space and calling it "Stellaris"? Cause those are legitimate victory conditions in ES, unlike Stellaris.

>>158210539
I doubt it will go cheaper, maybe for xmas if you're willing to wait.

You really dont need a guide, its easy to drop in and play like Civ. I think it has an ingame tutorial too.

>>158210651
amenities are your happiness
1 luxury resource gives 4 amenities
they are distributed automatically to cities that need them most
you will always be low on amenities

>>158210702
>being purposely obtuse
Go ahead anon, see if I care. There is no point arguing about this if you're not willing to listen to reason.

>>158210796
>you will always be low on amenities

That annoys me so much. I'm always looking for more amenity buildings and can't find anything.

Where are the advisers hidden in Civ VI?

>>158210267
bump

>>158210598
I wasn't ignorant of my diplomatic situation with them. I had no fucking diplomatic situation with them. It was just "*boom* be our bitch or die" and if you say nah you are forever fucked and you cannot salvage the situation. There was nothing about the situation that would've made a random fucking empire telling you to submit to them not seem fucking absurd.

The game didn't hint in any shape or form that these FE's have fleets more powerful than the rest of galaxy combined. It's reasonable to think that an empire the size of two systems is not exactly in shape to start taking over the entire galaxy because of basic shit that everyone has to deal with would limit them(revolts, upkeep, etc)

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>be Germany
>don't really have a solid plan other than to survive the early game
>after a while, notice I'm ahead in science
>very well, let's go for a science victory then
>launch satellite
>launch moon lander
>suddenly the game ends and I win a culture victory
>mfw

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>aw yiss time to play civ 6
.
.
>10 fps on minimum settings

JUST

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Has anyone figured out how the production cost for districts scale? Is it just number of cities or are other things involved? Is it true luxury copies dont increase amenities in cities 5-8? They're only good for trading?

>>158210918
Entertainment Complex.

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>>158210918
>build entertainment district
>it has amenity giving buildings
>it doesnt help

>>158210864
You're literally claiming something that is not feasible using unaltered galaxy seed conditions. Don't act smug when you started it first.

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Got a city-state to kill off an enemy civ's city. They insta-razed it. But the city also had a settler in there, so I was curious if the city state would do something with it, and all it did was park it in it's own city center. Disappointing, but expected.

>>158211127
>unaltered galaxy seed conditions.
Except I didnt, which is why I called you obtuse. And nor am I being smug, honestly im just sad you're being purposely foolish on this.

This conversation is over anyway, if you actually want to learn why you're wrong you can read the posts in response to yours, they lay it out clear enough.

What am I supposed to do with all these apostles I keep getting as Kongo? I must be missing something because I don't understand what the point of getting them is beyond the early game as Kongo.

Currently have 6 apostles just scouting the seas. Can't even disband them afaik.

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>>158211007
>playing on a potato

>>158211338
Fight other religions with them, use them to spread your religion, use them to trap enemy settlers.

>>158208794
>So too with Stellaris: all 3 of those victories require massive fleet-based conquests.
And thats bad why? All roads may lead to Rome but the journey is not the same.

Has there been a post roulette for Civ 6 made yet?

>>158211268
Good attempt at saving face after losing an argument.

Have a nice day mate.

>>158211096
Luxury copies do increase amenities in 5-8 if you have two of them, and number 3 increase amenities in cities 9-12, etc

>>158211482
>use them to spread your religion
Why? I don't get any benefit from that since Kongo doesn't get their own religion. If I spread it then England would just win a religious victory.

If there is a reliable way to turn them to relics then I could see the point of this UA.

>>158211537
Its not an attempt at anything, you refuse to be logical about this so I wont waste any time talking in circles.

But go ahead, claim you won if that makes you feel better. I already proved you're not. Ill even let you get the last reply, go on do something witty.

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So how many ships am I going to need to take his cities?

i have civ 5.. and all the expansions

how do i start to begin to play this game. is there a beginners resource?

>>158211543
Copies of the same luxury? Are you sure?
So 2 spices would increase the amenities of 8 cities in need?

>>158211537
>Good attempt at saving face after losing an argument.
If you projected any harder you could work in a cinema.

>THERE IS ONLY 1 VICTORY CONDITION AND ITS WAR
>I won without going to war
>NOO THAT DOESNT FIT MY NARRATIVE LIES LIES LIES

>>158211670
No witty reply needed. Anyone who actually saw victory conditions in both Stellaris and VI can attest that you're wrong.

Again, g'day.

>>158211791
>If you projected any harder you could work in a cinema.
HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
fuck r3ddit you slay me topppest kek mate XD

>>158211634
>If there is a reliable way to turn them to relics then I could see the point of this UA.
There's a wonder that gives you a relic automatically every time your apostles die, without requiring the upgrade.

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>turn 51
>an unmet player has been defeated

>>158211901
Ill be the bigger man here and not reply in an idiotic way like you and instead point to how you're wrong

>>158210141

>>158211543
No it doesn't. KYS

>>158211990
>bigger man
I'm sure you are tubs

>>158211962
Turn 25 for me, not even joking

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>>158211962
>turn 10
>an unmet player has been defeated

>>158211712
4-5? Depends on when you go.
Generally you want to also unload a land army. Sea only invasions are slow. Can't surround the city, so it heals every turn.

>>158211962
>>158212091
>>158212146
Killed city states trigger these notifications too.

>>158212081
Well you are proving you're underage, refusing to address the point. I realize you cant because your options are either admit you were wrong all along or continue to shitpost to save face. So see >>158210141 and respond with a shitpost again, because it really just proves you're wrong anyway.

>>158211962
>>158212091
Barbarossa strikes again
He cant keep getting away with it!

>>158212146
Just means Monty conquered Kabul.

Build on the coast because of resources available or send settlers to claim natural wonders?

>>158209898
>Well it didn't happen, what you describe is statistically impossible in the game. The AI is programmed to pounce on people with shit fleets
Thats not true. Races in Stellaris will not attack unless you drop below I think -75 opinion. Charismatic pretty much counters that.

>>158212162
Ah, didnt know that

Anyone got any good seeds?

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>>158212226
>new game as Greece (Pericles)
>time to have fun with city-states
>Carthage to the west of me
>nice
>scout east
>it's Barbarossa

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>the FE stopped attacking me
>open up diploscreen
>all penalties to relations are gone except "was at war"

Oh, now this asshole thinks that just because I'm down to two planets, I'm just gonna shrivel down and die. Yeah, you can go fucking do whatever to the Unbidden and I'll be here until one day I'll be the unforgiving, unbidden bad motherfucker who will shit upon everything you were, are and will. Fucking Xenoscum piece of shit AAARGH

did stellaris combat improve?
wondering whether i should reinstall.

>>158211920
That'll be nice if I manage to get it.
Are there even any regular relic slots outside the palace and wonders? So far I have 4 relics from trading and goodie huts, and only 5 slots in my palace.

>>158212360
shack up with carthage then poke barbarossa till he attacks you and push his shit in

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Can anyone give me tips?

I'm going as Hon hon to get a Cultural Victory.

I managed to spawn in this little corner of the map with these mountains helping me turtle myself in.

Are these future cities properly planned?

What is the sweet spot for the number of cities in a Cultural Victory in CIV VI?

>>158212148
There's actually no way to get a ship to bejing, need to hurry up on the siege shit

why did I start playing this game on king

>>158212409
nah

>>158212409
yup, ships have roles now and you cant spam one ship type and win

>>158212409
Yes, each ship has two or three specific roles in a sort of rock/paper/scissors combo now. You cant rush have battleships + lances and kill everything.

Is there any way to control how traders go towards cities? I got a city on a peninsula I want to build a road from but the traders just embark onto the water.
>>158212462
you can put waypoints?

>>158212146
OOOOOOOOOOOH SHAKA

>>158212462
Cockblock and third city are too close to paris. Each city has a 3 tile radius it takes up.

Fourth and second are perfect.

>>158212462
>What is the sweet spot for the number of cities in a Cultural Victory in CIV VI?
As many as possible.
Cockblock city is pointless, it doesn't have water, nor can it build an aqueduct there, so no housing. It's also near tundra so I doubt anyone will be coming from there anytime soon, it's probably the edge of the map.
Your second city should probably be on the other side of the river, to make room for a city on the lower river there.

What conditions do you like to have met before you start making your first few settlers? Do you start making them on turn x, or only once your capital has x pop, or is it just as early as your build order permits? And once you settle your second or third cities, how do you get their production off the ground? Waiting double digit turns to get a monument on standard speed sucks dick.
Also, what are some 'must haves' for a good settling spot?
t. civ shitter

>>158212618
I wish they would let us customize the route. Road building is really convenient now but at the same time I still want to have a semblance of control.

>>158212804

You can manually build roads with Military Engineers.

>>158212618
No, the trader system needs some major improvements to its functionality and UI design.

Whats the best way/settings to play VI if I just want to build a Civ and go through time without worrying about winning conditions

Like real life

>>158212897
Prince/King difficulty

>>158212787

I don't really have a preset condition, I just look at what (and who) is around me, if I see particularly juicy spots to expand to then I'll make it a priority. If there's a lot of city-states or capitals nearby then I'll just conquer them instead of expanding, if it turns out I'm in a lot of empty land then I'll expand. If I see a good cockblock spot or a really great luxury/science/production spot then I'll prioritize expanding there.

>>158212775
>As many as possible.

Nope.

Good luck getting any wonders build with the production penalty.

Can someone explain how naturalist and national park works? O have 2 natural wonder discovered but can't get the guy to put down the signboard thing.

>>158212462
2nd move NW, W coastal is detrimental to major cities if there is a river, grab the whatle with another one and purchase stone as soon as you settle.
3rd good
CB is pointless, move it to coast so it has some housing.

>>158212804
>>158212889
Theres a lot of really nice improvements, instant build workers, the traders building roads, districts add some more depth to city planning, etc. There are a TON of quality of life things that need to be fixed or added though.

>>158212787
>What conditions do you like to have met before you start making your first few settlers?
I have none

2 Scouts > Builder > Monument > Settlers until I paint the whole map my color

Then spam soldiers from new settlements if I really need it.

They really fucked up cities this time.

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>Going big dick Genocide mode
>Everyone who I meet so far is either in war with me or hates me
>Meet Germany
>Maybe he will admire me for being a dick
>Few turns later
>I WILL DESTROY MY ENEMIES AND IF YOU HELP THEM, I WILL DESTROY YOU TOO.

>barb camp spawns on my trade route connecting 2 of my cities
>cant bring any military units to defend fast enough because I didn't expect it
>barb scout captures caravan
>reload 5 turns

Fuck this meme shit

Sakura Factory Japan Strategy

Pick Superior Japan.
Build 4-5 cities orbiting around a central district hub
Build 4-5 industrial districts, upgrade to electrical factory + power plant (+8 production, +4 culture, to all cities within 6 tiles of them)

Once you have this industrial hub, make new cities of 1 population (They will start with 32-40 bonus production). Don't grow them. Build more electrical plants and power plants with them. Until you have 8+ cities. Now you have 64+ bonus production in all cities, and the 1 population cities have 64+ production.

Create some huge army and steam roll capitals

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How nice of England to spread their religion with the double yield from relics belief. Still not entirely sure how it amounts to +156 faith from 3 relics.

I don't understand why the AI keeps holding on to warriors and slingers well into the modern age

>>158213527
dat 0 upkeep mang :^)

>>158213282
I'll give it a go

I actually havent finished a game yet or even gotten to the modern era

>>158213527
>Need resources to upgrade them
>AI is stupid
>AI doesnt find those resources
>AI doesnt trade for those resources
>AI doesnt disband useless units
>AI is very very stupid

So should I build my capital on the coast or not? Are rivers higher priority?

Should you build swordsmen or archer spam only

>>158213629
You dont have to build on the coast anymore, you can be inland and still have sea access

So basically rivers or bust

>>158213597
>>AI doesnt find those resources
They can be pretty rare desu.

>>AI doesnt trade for those resources
Wouldn't that just fuck you over when the deal ends?

>>AI doesnt disband useless units
No reason to when they have no upkeep.

>>158213629
Having fresh water is the highest of priorities.

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>tfw they don't recommend any district
i'm lost without her lads

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>industrial, commerce, and military city states
>no worry of other civs comming to bother me
>kind of small
>no resources

Im already planning on striking out for a new continent, should I annex the city states or leave them be and rack up them bonuses?

>when you can chop woods across the map and get full production to your city miles away

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Who is the best waifu of Civ6?

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my good 4x friends i need some opinions about comfy 4x games that are not too complicated but still itricate enough to be fun.

Also can you say anything about those?
- Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion
- Master of Orion
- Galactic Civilizations 3

I also have Endless Legend but it is kinda strange, the system seems weird to me

How do you "sell" units in Civ VI?

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>>158214243
Cleo, obviously.

>>158214243
Gorgo

>have 3 great writers
>can't use any of them
fuck's sake

>>158214243
That smug spanish cunt

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>>158214243
She wants the Dick

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>>158214568
Philip?

>>158214426
Cleo looks like a starbucks drinking basic bitch desu senpai

>>158214448
Gorgo's tiddies

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based clone reich

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>>158214243
Victoria

>>158208694
The AI can barely use districts, let alone can it do competent enough city placement to take advantage of them.

Should I buy Civ 6 now and play it on my toaster.
Or should I wait a week from my new PC to arrive?

>>158215045
>anglojew

how about no

>>158215045
She looks like a pig.

I'm not fond of pigs.

>>158215137
pirate then buy if your moral compass compels you to

>>158211000
Time to up the difficulty.

>>158214243
Their rendition of Teddy Roosevelt gets me pretty rock solid.

>scythia sends a settler
>i take it
>scythia sends a settler
>i take it
retard AI

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>>158215195
>>158215159
t. mad Krauts

>>158215265
Bully for you!

>>158215195
>3000 B.C. + 5016
>not being fond of pigs

It seems next to impossible to get a GP unless you can slingshot into mysticism as grease or can slingshot astrology with a natural wonder.

It kind of feels like Xenophobes and Collectivists have an extreme advantage over the other ethics, only for the fact that they can purge.

Taking worlds as any other ethos is a huge drag because you have to deal with the native populations that still live on the planet. Whereas purge able ethos can just purge them and move there own people in. Any other ethos can't do that so they're forced to take territory through other means (Vassalize/Induct or just take the planet and hope you can deal with the divergence that comes with the planets population)

Probably Cleopatra is the JEW faction, but what is the closest MALE leader to FULL CASH?

>>158215495
The city-state of Jerusalem.

>in your people lies your greatest strength, Emperor Qin Shi Huang
>>>
But Qin Shi Huang literally translates to Qin's Founding Emperor it's already a title not his actual fucking name REEEEEEEEEEEE

Norway any good?

>>158215797
Naval is shit right now and civs focused on naval are shitty by proxy.

Any way to ignore all these Denounce messages? Annoying as fuck with the double screens to Esc through.

anyone got that adjacency bonus chart?

>>158215728
Tell me about Pericles.
Why does he wear the helmet?

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>>158215881

>>158215884
He had a deformed skull, so he wears the helmet on the top of his head to hide it. No, that's seriously it.

>>158215941

ty

>>158215851
I think naval is only going to really matter, at least in multiplayer, lategame when you can aircraft carriers, bombers, and nukes

does the island plates map have more water than the others? If so, what happens if I put the water level at low?

>>158215338
>yfw my country currently have the most hottest queen ever

feels good to be from the masterace

>>158214283
>my good 4x friends i need some opinions about comfy 4x games that are not too complicated but still itricate enough to be fun.
Too generic a question. You seem to like space games, Stellaris might be up your alley, don't expect more than 20h our of it tho.
>Also can you say anything about those?
>- Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion
Good game, better in MP
>- Master of Orion
Boring, flashy, cute.
>- Galactic Civilizations 3
Play 2 instead.

I'm in a federation now with the FE and I wanna kill the shit out of them. How do I do that. I was hoping to be able to declare wars indiscriminately and grow and then backstab this motherfucker, but I can't because they refuse any wars.

Wtf do I do now.

I have four planets, I'm technologically more advanced than any other empire, except that FE of course.

What is the actual, practical difference between a +4 district and a +2 district, for example?
Are those MUH BONUSES posts and minmax guides really relevant, or do they give very little extra edge?

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>>158216050
>his country's royal family is alive
>masterrace
Heh, ok, kiddo...

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Greece or Kongo for Tourism Victory? Kongo seems to have a lot more Great Work potential but Greece has a ton more culture.

>eliminate china
>1000 years later
>teddy declares war on me
>conquer Longxi
>liberate it for shits and giggles
>China back in the game
>they're still at war with me even though I'm the only reason they exist

well

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What civ and gamesetup is best for a comfy early-midgame with the possibility of large scale late-game wars?

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>>158216152
Forgot the screenshot

>>158215797
Good on islands.
Sieged the entire world during the ancient era.

>>158216251
Culture is defence, tourism is offence. Draw your own conclusions.

so how do naval units do anything when cities can be built out of range of their attacks and with a harbor

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>>158214243
>>158215265

Can the number of citystates at the start be modified?

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When do you know to make a new city when going wide? I've literally never successfully gone wide because I have no idea when the right time to make a new city is.

>>158216313
>he proceeds to use his first turn to denounce literally everyone in the game

>>158216580
They don't.
The game isn't very balanced right now. You can still bombard stuff with battleships though.

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What the actual fuck is this and is it worth taking?

>>158215342
Even his voice actor gives me goosebumps~

>>158216691
At every opportunity. In case of civ 6 is when you have enough lux copies to add extra 4 cities. There is a reason quintessencial wide strategy is called Infinite City Spam

>>158216031

>>158216802
It's cheaper than a normal colony ship, but has a much higher chance of ethical divergence on colonist pops.

>>158216802
It's a cheaper colony ship, but you don't get to chose what pop you are transferring.

>>158216802
It is cheaper colony ship for which you cannot pick which pop will be colonized.

Use if you you don't care about pop purity.

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Will Tall ever become viable in Civ 6?
I don't want to have to go wide every single game...

>>158206880
Rate me.
>Traits - Enduring, Intelligent, Quick Learners, Sedentary, Slow Breeders.
>Ethos - Collectivism, Fanatic Materialism.
>Government - Science Directorate.

Advice on improvement?

>declare formal war on Rome 2k years ago to stop his wave of jew missionaries, never knew where Rome is at
>killed wave after wave of legions for 2k years, with minimal effort by holding choke points,he won't make even white peace
>Russia declare war on me for no reason, does nothing for 2k years

Why the fuck does this happen and how do I tell them to calm the fuck down?

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>always played Japan in civ 5 because Bushido was OP as hell

>mfw Japan's bonuses in civ 6

fucking why

>>158217015
Tall is viable, just not competitive. Pretty sure you can beat a Diety game with tall. MP on the other hand..

>>158215741

also, he's shit
fun for roleplaying, but shit unless you builder jew.

>start near desert
>have stone
>Lmao 5 builder charges
>Use 4 to hammer a wonder for 60%
>Sell builder off, buy a new one

>>158217015
the game's fucked right now
there's no telling what will be good or bad once they get it sorted out

if they even bother

>>158217152
Is there any ETA or word on patches coming up?

is Marathon fucked at all?
it takes longer to repair an aqueduct than to build one

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>Russia goes for my capital while Im busy conquering unga bunga land
>Quickly put in Archer+Wall
>Break his assault, he switches to my small city to the west
>oh shit I thought the AI was too dumb for that
>shit shit shit what the fuck am I going to do
>next turn he offers me peace and also gives me lots of money and luxury resources
Nice going AI. Now that I think about it, he wasnt switching to attack my weaker city.
The AI probably was just coincidentally retreating in that direction.