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DLC when

Drink bleach

>>158121020
2 days, 12 hours from now.

hurrah for poise does something
but crying warriors ahead

>tfw people claim second boss is harder than Ludwig or OoK

>tfw it will take at least two hours just to fight this boss

>tfw playtime 15 hours for 12,50€

I'm okay with this.

>>158121047
ok anon i will <3

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*leaves message saying "try but hole"*

everyone's going to love this

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WHO TOLD ME LEO LURCERN WAS GOOD?

aldritch took 5 years to kill, almost ran outta flasks because of his gay magic orbs everywhere
even counters with leo were doing mediocre damage

>>158120605
>>158120782
It means you can't casually invade while playing through the game normally. DaS3 really fucked that part up. They finally made it so dying in an invasion doesn't return you to the bonfire, but then they made it so you drop your souls where you died (Likely at the bonfire anyway).

It's dumb. I'd love to play a Souls game where invading can reasonably be a part of normal gameplay rather than something you have to specifically set out to do.

>>158121293
it wasnt me

>>158121293

Yeah it seems to suck at low level for me too.

Maybe it gets good once it has more stats behind it.

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Whats the fastest way to get from SL1 to SL100? Gonna make a from scratch DLC character today

Did anyone bother to run the math on the poise breakpoints for resisting a greatsword attack yet or should I do them myself?

Someone tell me what are the weapons poise damages already, I need to make calculations

>mfw when trying to fight someone with the same weapon but with more poise after this patch
this is most frustrating shit i've faced in quite some time

>>158121479
cheat

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So pyromancy is probobly the best magic out there.

Pyromancers ww@?

LET ME HEAR THOSE SICK PYRO PVP PLAYS U DID TODAY

>>158121479
password match with someone on ng+10 and get them to drop a stack of super souls

ask on the trade thread on breddit and someone will help you out

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>annihilate everyone with dark claymore on a caster
>onyx blade is basically that but with twice the range and better WA

>>158121595
There's a link to reddit with it in the last thread I think

>>158121293
He's a slime, he's super strong to thrust

>>158121672
It only lists the damage of like three weapons. I need a full doc

>>158121630
Did they just give up on banning or some shit?

>>158121547
Poise breakpoints are still a mystery.

>>158121595
Here's what's known.

https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/58ppik/hard_data_about_poise/

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>>158121479
First you get the soul gift,
then you make the lizard roll off cliff near the first bonfire
then you spill your souls to what you want
Then tree glitch your way to the crow and get ze ring of extra souls
THEN you fuck the Master
Then you play the game.

and don't stop I got to 39 under 3 hours

>>158121312
If you're playing through the game normally you'll spend your souls on levels or items before invading. You wouldn't be hoarding a ton of souls. Invasions in DaS3 are still low risk for the invader.

Is having one of the wolf swords on your back for some reason still a thing? Can someone elaborate? I'm getting ideas.

>>158121641
Link me to the thread?

>>158121634
i started a pyromancer and summoned some purple sign guy next to the first bonfire in lothric

i missed all my fireballs and combustions and he rekt me with a giant ice scythe

>>158121825
gives pontiff ring effects when on your back
stacks with the actual pontiff rings

>>158121747
You can do A LOT without getting banned. It's super misconception that doing anything will get you banned. The only things that will really get you banned is being retarded like:
Directly adding souls
Directly changing your level
Directly changing your attributes
Having something that you shouldn't be able to get at the time (ie 9 slabs in 1 NG cycle is impossible and will get you banned)
Changing save information while online (changing name, save slot, time played, or other information about the save)

And that's about it

Anyone got the item ids for the dlc weapons and armor

>>158121857
https://www.reddit.com/r/pumparum/

>>158121887
And beacon too

>>158121617
I like it.

>>158121887
Ah, okay. Thanks. Maybe not as useful as I was thinking.

>>158121747
They cared until the playerbase dropped to ~15k.
there are still things that are bannable like hard editing files

so consensus on DLC?
is it shit?
heard it's 2 hours long, any truth to that?

>>158122138
45 min top.

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>neck swipe WA got a buff just in time for a grim reaper cosplay for halloween
i was planning on using the _great_ scythe, and i'm not sure what to wear other than the dark mask
i wanna keep it as stereotypical as possible, so maybe some robes that would fit well and no armor

>>158122138
you can get through it in 30 minutes
now return back to a shithole you've crawled from

>>158122138
finished it in 30 minutes ignoring everything and running

>>158122227
robe of prayer maybe

not sure how it looks with dark mask though

>>158122227
undead worker armor and skirt of prayer

>>158122238
>>158122176
>>158122247
I wasn't shitposting lads. That's what I heard.
I know you can run through any game in 20 mins if you just ignore everything.

>completed DSIII in 26 hours

is that a world record lads?

>>158122138
DLC is pretty much what you'd expect it to be if you never followed any of the hype or kept up with the speculation. A bunch of pretty new toys for your old builds, a big round arena to kill people in, one really cool new boss, and a small side story to give everything context. It's only long enough to last an afternoon, but the new stuff will probably keep us busy for the next 6 months.

>>158122227
you probably need at least some poise to use the weapon art's poise well enough. it does get better poise since it's a weapon art.

>>158122325
yes!

congratulations

OKAY POISE BREAKPOINTS INCOMING:

To resist a single R1 of a 2H greatsword during hyperarmour, you need at least 0.01 more than the following:

Greathammers: 22.8571/38.2857

UGS&GA 31.4286/45.1429

Greatsword: 40/52


The first number is the breakpoint at full poise effectiveness (eg. after a refresh or the start of a fight) and the second is the breakpoint at minimum poise effectiveness. If you reach the second breakpoint, you can no longer be staggered by a single R1 from a standard greatsword, ever. Any weapon with stomp, warcry, galvanize or perseverance can refresh their poise to full effectiveness at will by using their WA.

I fucked up my math last night so please go out and test these numbers and make sure I haven't made another mistake.

>>158122308
well, any DS game

Is the frost weapon sorcery any good?

>>158122327
Alright, thanks a lot for the thorough answer. Is the second DLC more lore focused? That's what I really want. I'm really hoping for something on Kaathe somewhere. I know the AoA DLC has some references to the elder sister and leader of the Sable Church.

>>158121924
>Having something that you shouldn't be able to get at the time (ie 9 slabs in 1 NG cycle is impossible and will get you banned)

Does this mean I still have to manually pick up estus shards?

>fell asleep at keyboard last night
>wake up to archived thread
>discover that there's been four threads since

god damn DLC is literally nothing but a popularity boost for this game. these generals are filled to the brim with shitposting

i know im only here because of it. waiting for some sick new weapon showcases

>>158122437
Nobody knows, because 95% of us don't have the dlc yet.

>>158122447
yes

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>>158122308
DLC is 10-12 hours long if you fully explore it without rushing, with one mediocre and one amazing boss and generally a very comfy winter feel, highest amount of weapons per a single souls DLC with all of them having some sort of unique gimmick.
In other words, fuck yes, it's good and you should ignore tortanic faggots shitposting every new release into oblivion.

>>158122447
Well I'm not sure on that one. I myself cheat dropped all of them and picked them up, upgraded my estus, and I haven't been banned. I would suggest not to but I can't be sure

>>158122353
Neck swipe has 50 poise health and using a weapon art with FP resets your poise to full at the beginning of the animation. So, he probably wouldn't need poise at all, or if he does it'd only be 10 or so.

Weapon arts with poise are really good now.

>>158122395
Are those effective against 2 CS slashes?

>>158122563
i wonder how much Friede's scythe has on L2R1 combo
it can certainly poise through longswords with extreme ease

Are scythes good now?

>>158122325
I beat it in 21.

>>158122661
they never were really bad but speed up certainly helps them as well as HA on neck swipe

i hope the second DLC adds a character booster that lets us create a premade high level character with any items, armor, spells, or weapons we want/need after we beat the game

PC is completely unfair to consoles in the sense that they can already do this through an authorized third party program (collector's edition)

some paired crossbows and a rainy aesthetic would be nice too

How good are the crow quills? they look fun as fuck and rapiers are my favorite weapons IRL

>>158122638
I don't know the poisebreak value of a CS, so I can't say.

have they made any changes to backstep since release?
it feels a lot more fluid in pvp now, no longer getting hit by phantom range and all that crap

>>158122753

HA?

>>158122440
Nothing is known about the second DLC beyond speculation. Unless you want to hear speculation?

There are some interesting lore tidbits in AoA aside from just that one Sable sister, though. Nothing groundbreaking or major, but little fun stuff here and there. I strongly suggest going through it after marrying Anri and with Yuria still alive.

>>158122563
resetting poise health to max doesn't mean it gets 150 poise in the swing but I see thank you

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>>158121634

sick as fuck f@m

>>158122820
Ah, thanks. How would I go about finding the poise damage of them? I want to test it

>>158122808
Use a normal Rapier in your right hand, Claws in your left, and throwing knives on your belt. It's basically that, but without the ability to parry.

The only thing they have going for them is style.

>>158122891
>actually goes to bow after you blasted the shit out of his phantom

What the fuck

fight club where

>>158122527
damn that looks p sexy
if I know From though, the weapon is shit
thanks pal

>>158123042
>The only thing they have going for them is style.
and this is the most important thing

>tfw have that instameme dagger for special someones in my inventory on my fammy share acc ever since I started using CE at all shortly after release
>Nothing ever happened
Literally what does one have to do to get banned? Write a mail to From openly confessing your crimes?

>>158123042
what this anon said >>158123119
plus i was thinking of having a claw in my hand to disguise as the quils, sometimes switching between the claws and quills so they won't know if i can parry of not

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>>158122891
How can you stand being such dishonorable scum?

>>158122904
Someone else with CE recorded some poisedamage values and shared them. I'm just using his data for the numbers, but he only did a few.

>>158122325
>not 40 minutes

Alright.

Mace improvements should actually shave a few seconds from the Gundyr fight I think.

>>158120931
>invaded by Cainhurst's Crow
>does nothing but running r1 with a washing pole

well, if he was going for being as infuriating, he nailed it.

>>158123121

I'm killing people's Aldrich on the regular and have yet to get punished

>>158123291
post b u i l d

>>158123440
not m i n e

>>158123440
T H I S

>int hybrid builds are not allowed to have fun in das1
lol

fucking why

>>158123291
I wish back-flip/kick had a dedicated button.

>>158122395
Just tested some of these numbers using a zweihander against the drakeblood knight in ADP

With refreshed poise, 31.40 was enough to HA through a single 2HR1 of the drakeblood GS

It seems like the game rounds numbers oddly so all of these decimal values will need to be tested to find the actual accurate breakpoint. For now I can say with certainty that the breakpoint for resisting a single GS2HR1 with a UGS is 31.40 or below.

I'm going to play around and see if I can find a cutoff

>>158123476
int hybrids were always shitty
at least in DS3 we will have frostbite weapons snap freeze shenanigans soon

>>158123476
What do you mean by hybrid?

>>158123440
Original poster was talking about 40 Dex so it's probably just 40 Dex sharp buffed w/ whatever spell in the webm @ 40 or 60.

>>158123049
>>158123239

I don't understand where people got the idea that there is such a thing as honour during invasions. I usually just hit them while they're gesturing.

fyi, the cathedral of the deep is filled with people camping out for the dlc between soul levels 100 - 120. Lot of fucking BRs though

Okay, so which builds are gonna become viable because arena?

Sorcerers
Faith

What else?

>>158123586
invisible weapon build

So how exactly do you get in the DLC? Like what area holds the painting?

>>158123714
pyros above everything else
they are combination of strong weapons (onyx), strong nukes, healing and chip damage

>>158123540
Okay, so 31.33 is definitely below the cutoff.
Testing vs the drakeblood knight, he could interrupt my HA with his 2HR1s at refreshed poise at this value.

In other words, the breakpoint for UGS resisting 2H greatsword R1s is somewhere between 31.33 and 31.4

Unfortunately, I can't really find any armour combination that brings me close enough to test for more precise numbers.

>>158123645
The arena is going to be fun. You spawn pretty close to the other player. Just imagine the amount of salt there's going to be over players that don't exchange gestures or allow the other to buff or whatever.

>>158123670

I've actually dressed myself up a Slave Knight and put my sign down at the spot he appears in.

Seems oddly succesful.

>>158123476
>large magic ember locked behind lordvessel and seath
FUCK

>>158121020
i got it last night :^)

>>158121803
>39 under 3 hours
SL39?

>>158124000
>>158123476
the moonlight butterfly horn is GOAT

>>158123871

But Onyx WA is a dark buff, not fire.

It pretty much goes "so you have fire dmg rings? Nice joke" up your ass.

Two questions.

When is the dlc coming out

And is 25 vigor enough enough hp to pvp as a primarily ranged pyromancer.

>>158121020
October 24 is the new release date.

>>158121141
wait, for ashes?
took me about 6 hours and i've killed all the bosses and explored most of the map.

>>158124138
They changed it?

>>158124126
pyros can use dark damage on full benefits unless you're talking about clutch rings which are shit

>>158123871
Yeah probably this.

Great melee
Great ranged nukes
Great healing

>>158124000
>enchanted ember is better and is in the forest
>farmable golems before the hydra that drop blue chunks

what the fuck is your problem?

https://youtu.be/OyjkSU_36F8?t=768
Wait, does toggling rofap refill the stamina it gives you? I had no idea.

>2v2
>More buff stacking

>>158124186
no, It's still 25th in most time zones

>>158123934
>Slave K***ht
good job anon

>>158124186
It appears so.

>Due to a logistical error, the Dark Souls III Ashes of Ariandel DLC was made available for download for a short period of time for Xbox One players. We have since corrected this scheduling error and the Dark Souls III Ashes of Ariandel DLC will now be available on October 24, 2016 at 3 PM PDT for Steam players and October 24, 2016 at 9 PM PDT for console players. We regret any confusion this may have caused to players and Dark Souls III fans; we look forward to seeing everyone within the world of Ariandel.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/dark-souls-3-dlc-released-early-on-xbox-one-by-acc/1100-6444708/

>>158124134

24 and no.

>>158124134
25 vig is too low depending on your SL range.

33 is the bare minimum, IF you have life ring or ring of favor and protection. keep in mind you'll have lower absorbtion with your armor most likely.

>>158124194
Yeah but it doesn't deal pyro damage so it doesn't really fit on a dedicated pyro build

Its more of a hex build or dark damage build weapon

>>158124229
That is the most stereotypically Japanese bullshit, I love it

>>158124228
>enchanted
>good for int hybrids

>>158122138
took me about six hours to explore most the map and fight all the bosses. that's on a SL108 character. Feels longer and larger than AoA for sure, probably not as big or hard as Ds2 DLC.

bosses are fun, but not too too challenging. Beat the main bosses on my first try and the optional boss on my second.

>>158124309
>>158124308
so would 40 be ok since i dont use either of those rings? I might as well soft cap right?

>>158124332

Thematically, that might be the case, but in terms of stats/scaling it's a choice weapon especially when this is the only innate Dark damage dealer with scaling.

Plus it actually does Fire damage with its buff, though I get the impression that's not intentional.

>>158124475
39 is fine. 40 isn't really the soft cap I think. gives good hp until 44 then until 50 then nothing.

>>158124475
There is no soft cap. Gains are already shit by 40. 44 is as high as you should literally ever go.

>>158124332
dark is perfect for pyros, many of the best pyromancies are dark and you naturally build the best stats for it since dark and fire scaling are the same

>>158124284
If they decided to release it earlier why not release it today ? That new date doesn't really make any difference.

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What the fucking is a mule or muling in this game?

I just got asked to mule for someone and I have no idea what they want

>>158123540
In DaS1, there are two values that control how much poise damage an attack does.
1. The AtkSuperArmorCorrection value in the PCAttackParam
2. The saWeaponDamage in the EquipWeaponParam

For instance, in DaS1, you needed 53 Poise to poise through a Greatsword 2h r1 because most greatswords have a saWeaponDamage of 35 and the 2h r1 has an AtkSuperArmorCorrection of 150, which effectively means 1.5x, causing the attack to deal 52.5 Poise damage. Considering how much code DaS3 reuses from DaS1, it'd probably be fairly simple to just pull the values for popular weapons and check the correction value of relevant attacks.

If weapons are dealing peculiar amounts of poise damage that don't line up with those numbers though, it might be that Absorption factors in somehow.

>>158124657
underage didn't play d2?

>>158124657
They give you thing
They reload earlier save
You give back thing
Not rocket science

Did they improve the tracking of the Deep Soul or Gnaw spells at all?

>>158124580
>>158124591
39 it is.

thanks anons

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how do i edit the google doc for dlc stuff? i got a better picture of some of the armor sets.

>>158124815
You don't, now that it's actually out all that shit can just go on the wiki

>>158124650
There are apparently review processes for patches, which we have to assume Xbone fucked up doing somehow, so the date doesn't get to be completely arbitrary. This is probably what they could get for a guaranteed date from pushing it.

>>158124808
Be sure to have some absorption.

>>158124793
No, but Deep Soul is already a good spell. More tracking would be too much for how fast it recovers.

>>158124475

Personally I'll do this https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/100061 because I can use some endurance to combo/follow-up pyromancies.

>>158124815
Most people can get better pictures now, players can cheat it in wantonly.

>>158123882
Update:
45.06 is enough poise to resist drakeblood 2HR1s at minimum poisehealth

Once again, weird rounding by the game, but okay. I guess the breakpoint is probably 45 on the nose.

45 poise is ridiculously high, by the way. I couldn't get over it without 3 pieces of havels and one piece of other heavy armour. This is over 30vit and havelfap+2 levels of carry weight.

So to conclude this
Method: attempting to HA through the ADP drakeblood knight's 2HR1 attacks with a zweihander. Max poisehealth values were tested with bonfire refreshes and stomp refreshes and were consistent between them. Min poisehealth values were tested by starting with max poisehealth and HA-trading with the 2HR1 once to reduce poise value to minimum, then HA trading again.

Max poisehealth breakpoint: Greater than 31.33 but less than 31.4. Aim for 31.4 as that's the lowest confirmed effective value.
Min posehealth breakpoint. 45.06(likely just 45)

Note: These values are only tested for the drakeblood GS and is consistent with the approximate results expected for standard greatsword 2HR1 poisedamage. Some greatswords may have higher poisedamage which would render these numbers inaccurate.

Also, these numbers are effective for 1HR1s, 1HR2s, 1H running, rolling and jumping attacks as well. All 1H attacks seem to inflict less poise damage than 2HR1s. However, these numbers are NOT effective for 2HR2s or weapon arts, and these will still 1st-hit break your HA. 45 poise with max poisehealth is still not enough to resist a 2HR2 or WA.

These numbers should be accurate for the rest of the UGS class, and for greataxes but they haven't been tested here. I'll be testing greathammers next.

>>158124403
>magic infusion
>good for int hybrids

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>>158125053
>640p

Kys

Do we have a tier list for the dlc weapons yet?

>>158125053
>1138x640
for my tablet maybe

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>invaded by a watchdogo
>manage to kill him
>as soon as he die another one appear and rush for me
>poise through his straightsword with my mace and kill him

Fuck I never thought I could win with a mace

>>158125098
>kiss yourself
what did he mean by this?

>>158125130
no

It'll take some time to figure out which weapons are gimmicks and which are actually good.

>two handing a straightsword now gives you more poise damage
>useful against naked men
nice

>>158125216
mace's perseverance is amazing. I use that shit all the time. People are pretty much almost dead before they realize they are getting fucked up.

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>>158125130
This is the only one that matters.

>>158125521
>that low stat requirements

damn what the fuck

>>158125601
finally a new carthus curved sword. now we don't have to see the same thing everytime.

>>158125521
Quality or dex ?

>>158125664
>D/C non-infused
take a guess

>>158125521
the scythe can combo 1k damage before they even know what's happening
enough HA to poise through a greathammer

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>>158125216
Mace is godlike until people get used to it
Enjoy it while it lasts

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Does a chaos weapon with 40/40 intel faith out damage a carthus buffed weapon?

favorite dlc weapon so far? loving the scythe

will probably get destroyed by meta wepaons but it's fun

>>158125778
why did he have hidden body on

>>158125820
You know rouge doesn't add damage, right

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Best souls youtuber

>>158125521
>implying those yet to lose their human aspect are their likeliest prey

>>158125897
I assume he's asking about Carthus Flame Arc.

>>158125878
Mages are weirdos, what else is new

>>158125897
flame arc. Sorry. does it outdamage a flame arced weapon.

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>>158125835
I wish they'd just straight up put the burial blade and church pick in from Bloodborne.

greatest movesets of all time.

>>158125983
>>158126034
wew I'm retarded thx

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Lorefags are the worst.

From is never going to release DLC to please you faggots. You're not their core market. I'm sure they'll throw you a bone here or there but the appeal of Dark Souls to the majority of players is the fact that is has minimal cut scenes and a "story" that only neckbeards with no jobs would actually care about.

Will only play the DLC next weekend, can anyone post the scythe's moveset? Thinking about making a new character to use it.
>>158125909
Objectively correct.

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>>158125778
>hidden body
>dueling with 700hp
>the affinity orb never even goes off

I like how since the patch DS3 just crashes while booting half the time

>>158126262
works fine on my computer

>>158125820
arc on raw ass will outdamage pretty much every chaos weapon up to astora gs
and maybe even that too

>>158125778
Post build my man

>>158125778
Im currently using this one, it's the best one to use in the game right? I love it
What about greathammer? Can they be good? I love the look of the cathedral hammer but I heard the Greatclub is better

>>158126262
my load screens are now like 30 seconds long

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Why is greataxe so hard to use in PVP? I'm just getting spammed by straightswords or spears.

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>>158126153
DELETE THIS.

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alright boys, let's say i wanna do some invasions in the catacombs of carthus
what sl should i be? what level should my weapon be? should i bother doing this at all?

>>158124997
but it is good? Why would you not want a magic weapon and a normal +15 with cmw?

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Are there pics of the new armours and wepon?

>>158126381
It was good before the patch

How come heavy weapons suck now? I though UGS were buffed?

>>158126429
Yea it's worth it cosplaying a grave warden, carthus warrior, etc. Is a pretty popular thing

Fun fact:
After this update, a charged greatsword 2HR2 (sweep) truecombos into a followup uncharged R2.

They may have added more R2R2 truecombos with this patch.

>>158126446
"hybrids" are usually like 40dex 32int
a pure weapon (even if the buff worse off) would outdamage a magic infused one

>>158126153
Maybe if you're one of the bandwagoning 12 year-olds that started with DaS3.

>>158125521

It's a worse CCS.
About the same range but less damage and no bleed. If you gonna become a living meme then at least go hard or go home.

>>158126514
Neat

>>158126549
If you didn't start with Demon's you SHOULD kill yourself.

>>158126514
reminds me of the good old days in DeS with the dragon bone smasher's true combo. I think it was one handed R1 into R2 iirc.

>>158125820
Most of the time no but there seem to be exceptions for the weapons that get huge scaling when infused like the shortsword and astora greatsword.

>sprint towards heavy weapon user
>they 90% of the time start an attack
>do a backstep attack just outside their range
>do this several times while they try the same thing over and over
why are heavy weapon users so retarded

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>>158126330
Literally just my trying-out-weapons character

>>158126369
Warpick is better if you don't care about perseverance because thrust damage
Blacksmith might be good for 66 STR waifus
Greathammers are bad

>>158126381
Because it has the range of a dagger

>>158125878
I ran into a twink in Cathedral who cast HB five feet from me then went to stand in a corner thinking that I couldn't see him.
People are idiots.

>>158126504
I don't think they suck, I'm still doing about 280 Damage with a Heavy greataxe +3 with 32 strength

>>158126153
I think it's mostly because hey don't have to do that to please lorefags. Give a lorefag an answer and they'll either say "okay" and go do something else, or they'll claim it's impossible or non canon and just get mad. You either get nothing or a loss. If you give them more questions on the other hand, you get youtube channels drawing adolescents into your consumerbase. In that sense, they're appeasing literate in a S&M sort of fashion.

>>158126721
Yep, this happened

>>158126613

Much better WA though, and lower stats too so you can more easily fit it on to hybrid builds.

In terms of Refined builds, both are fine you just have to choose between bleeding through shields or breaking them.

>>158126613
way better WA though and 50% less weight

>>158126235
I've been running into this bug where one soulmass/pursuer just sticks around forever a lot lately
Probably isn't there on his screen

>>158126801
>>158126814

>Meme mind
Truly disgusting
Is the WA parriable though, was that tested?

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>>158126690
Don't think I'll be doing that. And just for that, I'm going to talk shit about DeS on /v/ every time it comes up for the next month, placing it just ahead of DaS2 in tier lists.
I think DaS2 is great, by the way, but you faggots eat that shit up and it will be easier to manipulate idiots.

>>158126801
>>158126814
Carthus is already a shield killer even without the bleed. You don't need a guardbreak WA.

>instakill someone with the saber
I genuinely think CCS is still better against good players, the saber WA feels too slow to punish parties even wig prediction, and any hyperarmor weapon ca just R1 as hey see you coming. The third hit has hyperarmor though, it's good bait even if it can only be turned 45 degrees.

>>158126893
>Is the WA parriable though, was that tested?
no idea
but it can hit 900 damage in a combo while carthus WA is hardly even worth using

>>158126429
>>158126429
anybody have a catacombs invader build i can look at?

>>158126996
no one gives a fuck that it's a guardbreak, it does crazy damage

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>>158126931
>Talking shit about DeS on a containment board of 14 year olds that isn't taken seriously by anyone in the world.
wew lad see how that works out for you.
Also shitposting aside I think DeS is the worst Souls game - by no means is it a bad game but it's way too easy, way too exploitable and way too short.

>>158126771
> lorefags got corrected to "literate"
As if

>>158126058
New scythe's moveset is a direct improvement over burial blade thanks for all-horizontal moveset.

>>158127009
The hitboxes on the carthus WA come out earlier. Greatswords shit on the saber, CCS does better against them with its reach and AR. Carthus fanboys like Jund will probably stick with it.

>>158127126
I'm not actually going to go to the trouble of shitposting a game I know nothing about because someone was rude to me on the internet; no one is that retarded.

People who started with the last game in a series should be shot, though.

>>158127262
the scythe is flavor of the month shit, BB was a well designed weapon
the 2hand moveset is plain trash, frost attack does 150 tops, all it has is the combo chain THAT'S IT

>>158127009
The CCS WA is so good because it's unparriable so people think twice about parrying that piece of shit at all, if the FS WA turns out to be parriable then CCS will still be the #1 cancer

>>158127126
>way too easy, way too exploitable and way too short
Sounds a lot like DS3

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>>158127348
I don't think Dark Souls is that bad a game to just "pick up" anywhere in the franchise, it's not like the plot means diddly dick to anyone who doesn't look like a Reddit atheist.

>>158127415
Time will tell.

>>158127475
That's where we disagree, then: linking together parts of the story on subsequent playthroughs keeps me invested about as much as invading, especially if it's something environmental that I walked by dozens of times.

>>158127460
sounds a lot like EVERY Souls game I have no idea what that dude is talking about.

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>From software interns can't even model binoculars properly

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>>158127460
True, Anon. Generally Dark Souls 2 was the same pre-DLC though, so it's hard to judge DaS3 when it's not really at its final iteration.
DeS fucking shone with its atmosphere though. The Maiden Astraea bossfight is still GOAT.

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Fun fact: the Shotel true comboes L2R2R2

Getting hit by the weaponart at any time will instantly stunlock someone until the end of the animation, which true comboes into an R2 if you queue it during the ending of the extended weaponart.

At +10 40/40 this can do ~627 damage unbuffed if the entire combo lands.

>>158126514
with GH, the starting animation gets occult on the following:
2hR2R2, 2hR2R1, 1hjump attackR1
might work for other classes

>>158127606
DaS2 is fairly long, even without the DLC. With all three, I think it might actually be too long, especially if you're trying to get everything.

>>158127460
How is 3 exploitable? If anything it could have had more opportunities to be clever thrown in.

>>158127647
>~627 damage
So like half a CCS R1?

>>158127647
Wow that slightly-more-than-an-estus-flask tier damage sure compares to the 800-900 you'll get from the follower saber

>>158127767
Not that anon, but a raw Astora Straight Sword let's you bypass the quality met5a entirely and just vig gouge. Or go pyro, whatever floats your boat.
Most bosses bleed, too, so you can effectively twink with the best of them if you know where to go.

>>158127767
Carthus rouge and your straight sword of choice literally dumpstering every boss that matters except DSA?

How much HA do the scythes have after the patch?

>>158128110
the WA has 50 poise health

>>158127929
Raw astora doesn't give you that much of an advantage. Even if you vig gouge, your total health is still limited by the amount of estus you have, especially early on.

>>158127934
You don't get rouge until you're past watchers at least. It would definitely be better off removed though, or at least made into a spell like the frost buff

>>158127647
Would that work with any light curved sword ?

>>158127929
>vig gouge
>bypass the quality meta

Going from 50vig to 99vig gives you only 100 hp. Vigor gouging does not work in this game.

>>158128210
Watchers is the third or fourth boss and two of the previous ones are a joke no matter what you're using

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Without spoiling, what class should I start with for the best experience in the dlc? I want to use really unique weapons with minumal wasted stats.

Warrior? Knight? Sellsword? Not huge on casting but if there are truly cool caster weapons I could be convinced.

>>158128210
Raw ass is so fucking good.

Go try right now killing vordt or cursetree with a +2 glaive compared to a +2 raw ass.

Raw ass melts shit up to like DSA and Nameless especially if you add resins and rouge

>lost all my save files from Dark Souls 2 and 1
>no reason to play them anymore
fuck man

>>158124671
Okay, so with this in mind, using the MLGS as an example:
The MLGS has a base saWeaponDamage of 27
The 2h r1 has a AtkSuperArmorCorrection of 130

So, in theory, it should be dealing 35.1 Poise damage. The MLGS has a lower Poise damage than several other Greatswords, so let's use the literal Greatsword as a second example.

The Greatsword has a base saWeaponDamage of 31
The 2h r1 is the same, so 130 Correction

Meaning it should be dealing 40.3 poise damage.

>>158127934
>tfw beat the entire game with just 2H lothric knight long spear and gitting gud at rolling

I remember at some point in playing TES Morrowind back in the day I got bored one day and tried using the console command cheats to fly around and be invulnerable and shit, killing anyone I felt like. Kinda ruined the game for me because I didn't see the point in doing anything in it anymore, like any progress was pointless or trying to get stronger since you could just cheat.

Play the game how you want, I'd say. You can make it as easy or as hard as you want. What matters in the end is whether or not you have fun, that's literally all that matters in the game.

I don't know why you (or anyone for that matter) would ruin the game for yourself, and you're free to if you want, but you don't have to R1 spam everything with a dark sword, if that's not fun and ruins the game for you.

It's like you could play a game on very easy mode but I'd rather play it on hard difficulty or better, because that's more fun to me. Beating the game on easy mode would feel pointless and not really enjoyable at all.

Only reason I come up with broken OP builds for invasions is because the odds are super stacked against invaders in the first place so I think it's okay since I might run into a 1v3 or 1v4 scenario at any point and will be shown no mercy. I'd probably play more fun builds in invasions if it wasn't so egregiously in favor of hosts.

cheat table fix when

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dlc comes out 6hrs earlier on pc compared to ps4
top

>>158127593
man it pisses me off that they don't work like they did in BB where you can move and attack while having them out.

>>158128210
Estus ring and knowing where the bonj shards are mitigates that.

>>158128309
I meant the invading meta (staying at the appropriate ranges, not overleveling your weapon). If all you're doing is vig gouging and smacking people with a carthus'd straight sword, you're well ahead of the game.

>>158128539
this

my warrior pyro is giving me autism

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>Mace has C STR
>Blacksmith's Hammer has A STR
>Heavy Mace is significantly better than Heavy Blacksmith's Hammer
I actually hate this game

>>158127647

I'd rather just backstab people with my havel's GS and swordspear for 900+ damage in all honesty.

>>158128553
You said quality meta, though? There is no quality meta at invasion ranges, unless everyone is just being stupid.

>>158128353

There are some Int/Faith oriented weapons but nothing worth a damn goes above 18 of any of those respected stats, except for the super beefy strength weapons.

It's a mixed bag, so if you want to try everything you'll need a combination of low amounts of every stat.

To use any of the DLC weapons to full effectiveness, you'll be using a Full Strength, Full Dex or Refined build per usual.

Just go Knight

>>158128595
i heard it's a case of fixing the character pointer

>>158128423
Last night there were 2000+ people playing both. Get in there, maybe use a build you've not tried before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIXXPioqh3c

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>>158124229
I'm totally not going to do this.

and yes it works

>>158128353
Sellsword is ideal fir most cool weapons.

>>158128654

What's the difference between Warpick and Mace in terms of how good it is, especially in an SL125 invader situation?

I'm not sure how much better they are exactly and which is best yet, but I've noticed some anons meme'ing about it recently so I'm curious.

>>158128537
I tries to do a spear run and it was cancer.

Almost every mob out trades and attacks much quicker and I can't ever deal with shield knights.

>>158128851
Warpick does thrust damage

>>158128537
The question was how exploitable DS3 is. The answer is very. Whether you choose to do so is a different matter.

And personally I do, because PVE is fucking boring anyways after a couple runs, I just want to crank out PVP characters quickly.

Is there anything particularly noteworthy about the bastard sword? I like it's simple look and scabbard more than several of the greatswords and I'm curious if there's any real reason to use it over any of them.

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>>158128703
Doesn't knight always have like 5 levels of wasted stats? Or is it better now that poise is being fixed?

>>158128847
I've somewhat heard that this dlc is a dex paradise.

Daggers are the most fun weapons to PVE with

>>158129240
Nope

>>158129337
>poise is being fixed
Top fucking kek

>>158129240
Hollowslayer was good pre-patch, I hear it's now a strong contender for a nerf.
Going to use it in the DLC.

Can a x1fag record the ost p l s

>>158127415

>the 2hand moveset is plain trash
It's (You) who's plain trash, use it almost exclusively 2handed with great success

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>>158128889

Yeah well that's what makes it fun. LKLS doesn't even get the running R1, it gets a shitty mini charge instead. It was great since it forced me to become a master of roll timings, which ended with me beating The Nameless King on my literal 1st try with at least half my estus left, and DaS3 is my first souls game.

I suggest you git gud. Challenging yourself and accepting that learning comes from failure is how you git gud. On the other hand yeah maybe you just need easy mode and can't function without it, sorry.

Pic related, old as fuck screencap when I was in love with the drang hammers. Yeah, those things that everyone tries to parry and have 0 hyper armor, on top of being slow as fuck until recently (and they're still pretty slow even post-patch)? Figuring out how to make them work in invasions was fun as fuck.

>>158129228

The point is that just because something is exploitable doesn't mean you have to exploit it. In fact, exploiting it may very well ruin your experience/"fun", which kinda defeats the whole point of playing video games in the first place doesn't it?

I mean you could right now go into every invasion with CE giving you invulnerability on PC, why don't you? You'd win all the time, right? I feel like most people wouldn't find that fun at all, or at least the novelty would wear off quickly. You could do it though and you'd win every invasion as a result though.

That said I don't really care how anyone else plays the game, you have the freedom to choose that yourself. So do I. I'd just tell anyone who wanted to take the easy way out that they would probably be ruining the experience for themselves, to the point where they wouldn't have fun and would probably drop the game without even finishing it. A waste of $60, doesn't make sense to me when the whole point is to play in a way that is fun for you.

>>158129462
Hollowslayer is about the same as it was pre-patch. Which is pretty damn good.

>hit a host with undead hunter charm
>he proceeds to go jump off the side of the building at pontiff to his death

kek, people get so mad about that shit, wish you could have more than 5

>>158121924
>>158122447
bullshit i have done all of this (offline tho), and i have never had a problem

>>158129652
Some anon said that going 30 poise with Hollowslayer was beast mode.
Apparently it's HA resets with each r1.

>>158129337
It is. The str weapons are far less unique than the dex ones. Sellsword is also ideal for dex/int which is one of those weapons.
It also has okay ATT, which is good because many weapons have cool WA

>>158128353
It really doesn't matter as long as you can make a good stat spread out of it, I'd suggest just doing something new. There are good reasons to use almost any type of build.

>>158128359
The deep axe melts him just as fast, and pretty much everyone picks that up.

>>158129998
I could already trade with CCS and straight sword users without fail pre-patch, so this doesn't really change anything.

>have cheat engine on pc
>tried all the weapons before the dlc officially comes out
>access all bonfires
>dlc bonfires pop up as well
>jump in the snowfield one, aka the first one

Pffft guess console peasants will have to wait until the 24th he he

>>158130120
yo nigga do me a solid and rip the boss theme

>>158130120
What an epic post I'm sure someone will believe you

>>158125521
>Neat looking sabre
>CCS 2.0
>Low STR requirement

This DLC has been good to DEX/INT, I see.

>>158130120
>on xbone
>already beat it yesterday

>>158130116
Yeah it does. Your poise would break once poise hp reached 0 after who knows how many attacks. Now as long as your poise doesn't reach 0 in one attack it will never break. The only bad part is way more poise is needed now.

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What builds/equipment are you guys using during invasions right now?

What SL's are you invading at?

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>>158124229
>>158124376
>>158128843
>nigga, you is expecting me watch all of th-
>3vs1 after other phantom dies
>SANIC MODE ENGAGED

Holy shit.

>>158130120
You still waiting for that loading screen to finish?

>>158130350
Been flirting with the idea of using it for the last two playthroughs at least.
I'm diving in guys, wish me luck.

>>158125521
CCS is better against good players.

>>158125664
Quality, it's a curved sword and a WA meme tool, you need to twohand it.

>>158125762
>through a GH
What? Every single scythe player I've fought has been flinched by my clay.

>>158130350
>once poise hp reached 0 after who knows how many attacks
That's the thing, I don't remember my hyperarmor ever breaking against fast weapons. You'd probably die before it actually broke. Didn't it used to reset every 30 seconds, too?
Anyway, my pre-patch fashion has almost exactly 30 poise, so I'm still good against light weapons. I guess it's easier to break other people's HA if they don't have a lot pf poise, so that's a plus.

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>>158130242
>he thinks in lying hehehe

>>158130641
are you talking about the dlc dual scythe combo or just random scythe regular attacks?

Really hope there's some multiplayer/arena element to the Champion fight. As it is, it's DaS2 "challenge area" boss tier of shit. The phase 2 music is really good, though

>>158130727
You're a day late, people knew you could see the bonfires since yesterday. Good luck loading the area though.

>>158130727
considering the fact the levels themselves require the DLC to be downloaded this doesn't really mean much

>>158130739
The combo.

>>158124229

Is that the wolf knight GS?

Is that shit actually any good or just a meme? I don't think I've literally ever seen anyone use that, why not just use hollowslayer or claymore instead? Or BK sword?

>>158124229
>literally just cheating
This is dumb.
Nips are dumb.

>>158130242
Xbox One scheduling fucked up and Xbros could download it early.

yes hello where are the dex faith wepons

>>158124229
When the fuck is it

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NO FC? WILL I HOST? I KINDA WANTED TO FITE. Anyone down? I can host I GUESS

>>158130884
jap meta is 200 so everything is game for them

>>158131030
>?t=768
GEE, I WONDER WHEN IT COULD BE

>>158131062
I never did any fc, but I can still join, what are some basic rules?

>>158131006
Yes, hello, there are no natural dex/fth weapons, buff or get used to it faggot

>>158131223
put online password to dsg, put your sign down on the rafters just a bit up the stairs at high wall, wait until you're summoned and fight another summoned guy, rinse repeat.

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>>158131062
If you're going to annoyingly spam messages in all caps I'd rather someone else than you host.

>>158131223
You are banned

>>158131251

hello yes where are the dex weapns aside from chaos blad and sellsword twinblade¿¿¿¿¿¿?

>>158131006
40dex 30faith works great for sellsword and quills

Wait a minute. Acid surge is getting nerfed?

LOL

gg From, I enjoyed the fun while it lasted

>>158128659
People work towards quality, so they're splitting their stat investment all the way through

>>158130680
I remember a few cases of that happening actually, where I would be in a fight and an attack would stagger me out of a perfectly timed hyper armor. You really couldn't predict when it was going to happen. It really wasn't a good way to handle it. Your poise was damaged even if you weren't attacking, or in iframes, which makes it even more random to know how much poise hp you had. Having to not get hit at all for 30 seconds to know for sure you had max poise was not something anyone did, and poise got reset to 100 anyway if it broke. Very stupid.

Now you can at least know for the most part what will break your poise if it breaks it once.

Can replenishment miracles be used on allies in teams like the big heals?

>>158131392
hello, yes, you can if you don't go to super high meme metas and stick to 70 and under.

>>158131486
The princess gaurd miracles were always aoe for your allies

>>158124229

I'm a idiot. What the fuck am I supposed to be seeing?

>>158124984
Another update:
I've finished testing greathammers, using the Great Club against the drakeblood knight and here are the results

Max poisehealth breakpoint: Greater than 22.20 but equal or less than 22.27. Aim for 22.27 as that's the lowest value I could confirm
min poisehealth breakpoint: 37.78 (note: 37.76 is too low, but I couldn't find a combination to test 37.77, so that could also be effective).

Also note that at 37.78 poise, you can resist an uncharged 2HR2 or a WAR1 at max poisehealth. This wasn't true for UGS or greataxes.

So to reiterate, the following are the poise breakpoints for resisting the 2HR1 of a greatsword with any ultra:

UGS&GA: 31.4 OR 45.06

GH: 22.27 OR 37.78

Have fun.

Is poise recovery gradual or instantaneous? I know it always takes 30 sec for a full recover, but could you wait 15 and get half back?

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>>158131446
it was almost scraping spear tier. It was too good I guess.

Man I wonder if they will add something like soul sucker in the next DLC haha

>>158131308
I meant about the rules during the fight in general, I guess no chugging allowed but thats normal.
>>158131375
W-what?

>>158131780
c team hates fun stuff

jesus christ magic is so terrible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvMehsfr8YA

only way to make it work

What's the base damage of Valorheart? It can't really be 210 right? I mean holy shit that outdamages every other +0 weapon by a huge margin.

>>158131841
You're not welcome in my FCs, bugger off

>>158131946
>roronoa zoro
>one piece fag
>just stupidly running into the wall
>gets lasered
poetry

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>>158132021
well he's welcome in mine :^)
>>158131308
1v1 don't estus preferably don't use some aids builds but who really cares, it's not a formal affair just come fight people

in other news, FC is up come fight

>>158131425

What, 30 faith DMB or something?

>>158131702
no that's instant at 30s

>>158131949
It's a vitgouge weapon pretty much. It doesn't even reach 400 AR at max. At low levels you have so little end you should be scared of guard breaks.

Worst From DLC ever

>>158131946
>2:15
holy shit lmfao

Been a few months since I've logged onto PSN. Is PC relatively active compared to PS4? Considering making the leap when the DLC drops.

>>158132212
Still, holy fucking shit. I'm gonna have fun with that.

>>158132270
that's not brume tower

>>158131660
If you're basing it off the damage done by the Drakeblood Greatsword, it has a base saWeaponDamage of 27, t's 2HR2 has a correction of 155, and it's WAR1 has a correction of 150. Before any other possible modifications, it should be doing 41.85 Poise damage on a 2HR2 and 40.5 pm the WAR1.

With a large enough pool to compare with, it would probably be possible to figure out how much that damage is being modified to end up with those breakpoints.

>>158132270
ToH > Sunken > AotA > AoA > Ivory > Iron

>>158131425
I would do 35 for the regen miracle since it adds 5 points of scaling to darkmoon as well

>>158132021
But how can you know it's me anon?

>>158132389
>>158131660
don't know about you guys but I was using a greatclub with 35 poise and resisted the 2hr2 of drakeblood guy with a 2hr1.

>>158132270
Not when it comes with the best boss fight, try the last crown or second crown DLC and you might get closer.

>>158131841
Basic stuff is no chugging, no CE and try to stay in the arena.

We also don't like metashit or hornet ring but there's no hard bans on equipment. If people don't like you, they'll complain about it in the thread.

>>158132463
>sunken
>better than aota