/rlg/ - Roguelike General

things that aren't the op image because fuck you:
>>157867865
>>157827634
congrats on your win though anon

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Ohayou gozaimasu, /rlg/!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's play our best today!

>>157871416
>real Australian hours

>tfw storming the orc:2 vault instead of scroll of noise kiting
Wand of random effects OP

Is Dash better than Swiftness if I just need an ability for chase links?

>>157871625
i really, really, like this post

>tfw you haven't opened your midgame PCB char in months
What are the odds that I splat him within the first hour?

>>157872427
Start a new one

>>157872445
it came from my cojones

>>157872427
around 33%.

>>157872445
aaaargh that fucking song was just on the radio

AND YOU RUINED IT FOREVER

Hey /rlg/, what's your favorite action roguelike?

>>157872427
what's PCB?
>>157872445
what's cum?

>>157872427
i splat them *before* the grinding-for-months bit

>get tired of the midgame grind
>ok ill just go do smaug now instead of waiting till i'm stronger
>it breathes
>read what? you are too scared!
>it breathes. what a noble sacrifice!

i think the point-buy system has made my characters weaker because they tend to have shitty cha now, and shitty cha just gets you rngkilled

>>157872769
Poschengband

What are real roguelikes and why doesn't DCSS count? I can't really get into any other roguelikes for some reason. Am I a casual? Does dwarf fortress make me less of a casual?

>>157872739
DCSS. I love bumping into things until they die.

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>>157872878
>Does [the only game that's grindier than Elona] make me less of a casual

>>157872878
>What are real roguelikes

Try these:

>Sil
>DoomRL
>Brogue
>Infra Arcana

All very tightly designed and close to the spirit of the original Rogue where you were always pressed to go forward.

>>157873092
Does DF even have any grinding?
Wtf would you even grind for? Kitten skulls?

>>157872878
Just play what you feel like playing.

>>157873269
you can make a macro to just throw rocks at a wall forever until you become a legendary thrower and can oneshot bronze colossuses

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>>157873269
>[I have never played DF adventure mode]
It's for the best.

>>157873442
>>157873403
Oh yeah, I completely forgot that DF even had an adventure mode, my bad.

Is there somewhere to read what all the CDDA mods do?

Are there any good time waster actives in Demon for backliners who have a lot of down time? Something that consumes hardly any or no SP and isn't a free action and can be used constantly.

>[Screams Internally]
Wish I had flaming, I'd love to have made papa xom proud, instead I'll be running like a bitch

>>157873269
Yes and no. It depends on how many splats you're willing to accept, hours you'll waste doing the same thing the hard way, and if you'll be a fag and use your fort of masterpiece adamantine shit.

>>157873838
It's in the .jsons i believe

>>157873847
Pretty much no and even then you'd want to give them more synergies, resource, or other abilities instead.

>>157874061
>It's in the .jsons i believe

Do I just sift through them with wordpad?

Let's list all of the things in Crawl that are objectively NOT bloat. I'll start with one thing: those random insults imps and pandemonium lords holler at you.

So, POS-Cheng-Angband... I'm on level 2 or 3 in the Stronghold and novice priests for example can drop 10 scrolls of identify when I kill them. Some other monsters can suddenly drop 14 potions of cure light wounds.

Doesn't feel too realistic or even balanced. Is this common thing or is it just luck?

>>157874638
all the different fruit tiles

>>157874721
>realistic or even balanced
>pcb
You picked the wrong roguelike m8

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14.9 evo in a nutshell I guess. OHKO pride, swamp wide

>>157874528
Find the one where they jammed it all.

>>157874638
Wand of random effects

>>157874721
pcb isn't balanced at all. you skip half the game by wanding swamp hydras, then mountain dragons then stronger ones then cherrypicking arena fights with detect
It also uses much more consumables, they're a part of life instead of a precious resource

>>157872247
i dunno

>>157873847
quiet prayer probably
it'd be better to stack SP abilities like tireless, vigorous, bloodlust, ritualist, tormentor, and whatever else

Smart Crawl when

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Get fucked dev team

>>157874925
>>157874916
I will revert back to original Angband then. It's hard to find a nice game. I really loved Omega back in the day when I played it on Amiga...

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Kind of getting sick of this spider entry vault to be honest. Almost every fucking time.

>>157874721
>tfw an orc drops a sword of orc-slaying

>>157875383
*you* can carry far more than 14 potions

why is it unreasonable for a priest to do the same?

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its a lonely world :(

So why is DCSS not a roguelike anymore?

>>157876965
Being a roguelike was bloat.

>>157876005
I just want to return to my roots and start vanilla.

Anyway, how do I save my user interface options so they are always the same whenever I launch the game? I want solid walls and some other shit but they keep resetting when I change character or die.

>>157876965
It is it just has hate cause a lot of people started with it and they see what it could be or hate the loss of something they loved.

Basically, crawl is the ex-gf they'll never have.

>tfw it's going so well that you abandon the run because it can only end horribly

>>157877259
you have to "load" the save of your dead character, which also contains things like settings and monster memory
although if you turn the easy_lore birth option on, you will have full knowledge of all monsters from the get-go so you don't have to learn the hard way that something can cast "summon ancient dragons"

the settings-in-savefile thing is a bit annoying if you want to have multiple simultaneous characters running tbqh

>tfw i can't enjoy crawl anymore
which is the most retarded combo?
i want to have some fun
no mumo

Headwind seems like such a dirty ability when you understand what it does.

How do I get good at nethack

>>157877942
MfGl^Yred

>>157877942
DECK of nemelex

>>157878264
Only way to get good is to read spoilers.

I've been lugging around this cursed raicho that has Piercing Cry and Flustering Cry and I'm wondering if I'm ever going to find a good user for those abilities, or if debuff cries tend to already come on demons they're good for.

>>157878060
what it do

>>157877942
mumo

>>157878927
leave them on the raicho and let him debuff at the start of the battle, then swap him out

>>157877942

I like playing a Demonspawn fighter that worships Uskayaw the Reveler with a focus on axes.

>>157878509
how does nemelex works now?
i heard that they changed the mechanics

>>157877092
noice

>>157878654
Good thing I already read all pof them

Well not really, I should be more careful and check more often

>>157877942
Halfling hunter of Oka. Live life at +4 apt
DrCj to color
DrTm
Do any melee minotaur or hill orc and take the invoc gods or evo
DsMo
VpEn of Battlemage Hep
HESk
HEAM
SpEn https://loom.shalott.org/learndb.html#hyperbolic
GrEE
FeMo/Be
Fe*
OpTm
DgWn
OgWr of Chei
DE/MuSu of Sif

>>157878264
Accumulate spoilers or just have a patient and cautious personality and decent ability to learn without getting spoonfed

>>157879129
Nem is invo now
Basically the same just you're not getting as much of an inventory car crash

>>157877942
Double random of first valid altar 420erryday until you streak 27 of them. Only then will you exorcise the curse of Yendor!

>>157879703
first god is better
even if you can't worship the god you find, you still have to adjust your playstyle to fit that god

>>157877942
short blades VSAs^Hep (hexer)

>>157879026
Headwind basically completely fucks over anything that can't instantly move over to you.

>>157871580
>tfw my win doesn't count because it's from a roguelike that isn't a meme

>>157873261
Real roguelikes are those that aren't fun, got it

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>>157881972
>please polish my balls /rlg/
>i can't believe you didn't polish my balls, whatever you like is a meme

Something really has to be done about those "kill X amount of dudes in X time frame" links because they can randomly be impossible without you having any way of knowing and incur harsh penalties for something that was impossible to avoid.

>>157882294
stop attempting them when you've cleared 2/3 of the floor. or just use a trouble chime

>>157882183
*tips autism*

>>157882361
It was literally the first encounter of the floor. The geometry of the map made it impossible to move between groups fast enough.

>>157882361
>use trouble chime
>summoner gets summoned with party full of master blaster
>die

>>157882496
better luck next time

>>157882530
git gud lol

>you can fail to unsummon a demon while panicked
RIP my wisp buddy

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Not sure what to do here. I just recruited this Ogre. It has Frost Breath and I'm wondering if I should either give the breath to something on my team and drop it, or if I should drop something on my team for the ogre. I'm leaning towards getting rid of the jiangshi and moving its abilities onto the ogre, but I'm not sure if this Kasha is doing a lot in my party right now. It does shore up my resistances a little after all, as Kashas do.

>>157884265
Consider consolidating your buff skills on either Headless or the Raicho and ditching one of them

>>157884265
What skills do you have?
You can sacrifice your Kasha for some chill light skills (imo the best skills on the whole fucking game)

>>157872739
Pixel Dungeon. I'm gonna try the Shattering branch.

>>157884463
Should I move Leadership onto the Ogre?

>>157884603
The Mind/Frost starter skills, Dash, Draw Wounds, Tormentor, Deep Chill, Headwind

I am planning on replacing Dash with Share Pain if I ever get that far.

>>157884815
Consider replacing Frost Ring with Sudden Chill and getting Frostbite. -10 SP on all enemies is great. Deep Chill is kind of meh since you'll be using your ice abilities a lot anyways. Get Ritualist when you can to reduce SP costs.

>>157884815
If you want to bother with Leadership, you want it on some speed-demon with swiftness, move abilities, high base speed, etc.

So put it on ogre if you want, but it won't be amazing unless it's on a Turdak-Vikhor type

>>157873847
censure is a ranged holy direct for 10 sp. decent amount of dudes are weak to light so I think its worth it. I usually get it off easg saints

>>157874638
Hunger

OFFICIAL LIFEGIVER HEALER LIST
Nero>Fairey>chaos>literal shit>gandyah

>>157886142
Swap chaos and gandy
Chaos has life drain which makes him act all retarded

>>157886142
>lifegiver nero
Pop.

>>157886142
Have you reached hobs yet? The only other demon not mentioned with a lifegiver modifier by default is dipsas, but it only has one healing ability IIRC (cleanse).

>>157886545
No. Farthest I've gotten is tower 9 at Turduk layer 1. Feel free to use or change the list my friend :). It's all yours.

>>157886142
>using healers weak to light

>>157886749
>putting your healers in the front
ishygddt

>>157886880
Your healers can still be smote in the back.

>>157886880
light/dark doesn't care about your front line

>>157887015
Not if you handle things well.
Micro your dudes.
If you aren't unsummoning and resummoning things every other turn, you're either starting out and didn't have the chance to pick 2 relic upgrades yet or are doing something wrong.

>>157886880
t. someone who's never gotten ganked in anomaly.
anomaly is suck a shitshow. Is there anyway to get a nero outside of anomaly?

>Start game as Faithful Heart with Dark as my main element(the one with the passive that applies Pariah)
>First modded demon is a Red Cap with Cursed Slash(apply Pariah on hit)
>Encounter a Profane Huo Shu and try to get something good from it with Revelation
>It gets Dark Omen(apply Pariah to a target)
>A while later, encounter a Brutal Huo Shu with Accursed(physical attacks have a chance to apply Pariah)

>>157887151
>anomaly
>2 relic upgrades
>light attacks except light dart

>>157886142
unicorns >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
also gandayah is way better than fucking faerie because it has more skills than DUDE HEAL CHARM LMAO

>>157887553
>>>/mlp/

>>157887283
>2 relic upgrades
Am I missing something? I usually get to anomaly around lvl 6-8 with the relic upgrade at 5. I know that killing heros gives an ability of your choice but a second relic upgrade? I've only played Orb if it depends on the relic.

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>>157886142
OFFICIAL LIFEGIVER HEALER LIST
Gandayah=Nero>Fairy>Hob>Chaos

OFFICIAL WAIFU LIST
Asrai>Lilim>Ninkasi=Pele=Faithful Heart>Gandayah>Pixie>Fairy>Artemis>Yuki-Onna>Civatateo=Kuchisake

>>157887665
You have 2 excuses for not being able to micro healers:
>you are shit at the game and should svn proper or uninstall
>you didn't have the chance to pick the second relic upgrade yet
In the anomaly the second excuse still works.

>>157887745
Slime is the superior waif

>>157887151
Neros can spawn in the Vikhor's and Ccoa's sanctums. They're easier to recruit there, especially Vikhor's because they can spawn with multiple echeneis which should be popcorn by that point.

>>157887858
reasons to use non-shit healers:
- quick desummon/summon becomes less of a hard requirement (still good choices obviously)
- you can spend your time microing other dudes instead
- dedicated healers are a meme. put some healing on all of your magic dudes (which should be half of your party)

>>157887858
Or you could not use a healer weak to elements with tons of ranged direct attacks and thus not have to spend tons of turns moving them around.

>>157888132
>reasons to use non-shit healers:
I'm advocating using nero, not fairy/gandayah/chaos or other shitty healers that have stats spread in a way that doesn't massively favor magic and vitality over everything else.

>dedicated healers are a meme
Demon AI is pretty stupid with healers - they need to be dedicated or they act full retard.
In fact, you should strip your semi-healers of combat abilities if you want them to act sensible. Even timeout abilities can fuck their AI up and make them charge.

>>157888281
You're a retard if you're spending turns of desummoning parties with nero in them. Either because you're not picking quick desummon or because you're so bad that you can't position your dudes around and pick your fights.

>>157887132
retart
this isnt starcraft, you dont need to micromanage your dudes every turn of every encounter

>>157888709
Methinks you dost protest too much.

>>157888794
>>157888853
SVN proper
CVS nice
Mercurial skillful
Bazaar moral

>>157889020
Everyone just uses git anyhow.

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>using a weird blue blob over fairy

>>157887931
someone post the slime girl comics

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>>157887745
Why is Baphomet not on that list?

>>157889637
I figure it was expanded a tiny bit to include all of the early healers. Ninkasi and Tlaloc would have to be considered too.
For all I have seen of baphomet, I haven't noticed it healing much. Tlaloc is usually too focused on blasting the enemy to use healing rain.

>>157889869
I was talking about the waifu list.

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>>157889637
Baphomet is dangerously furry.

>>157889515
>not using awoo

>>157889980
Oh. Probably because futa is gay.

>>157890021
>Baphomet is dangerously furry.
A goathead does not a furry make. The rest of her looks human enough.
>>157890093
>futa
Say what?

>>157890182
It's a hermaphrodite being IIRC.

>>157890093
t. closet homo, probably fairy as well

>>157890182
>A goathead does not a furry make.
Yes it does. That's exactly what makes it furry, goatfucker.

>>157890356
>Calling someone else a closet homo when you get off on dicks.
Hilarious.

>>157890356
Unlikely. I don't even like futa.

>>157887858
>svn proper
what does this even mean

>>157890458
Futa is for straight men, that's why you prefer men.

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>>157890374
You're exactly the sort of man who thinks that centauress horsepussy, nagini snake cloaca, and saytress goatpussy are all bestiality, aren't you?
>>157890264
Huh, you're right.

>>157890612
Oh man, we caught a live one. Someone this closeted and desperate is a rare find outside of a porn board.

>>157890801
Yeah, >>157890458 is really closeted.

>tfw Slenderman has a modifier that looks amazing but he appears so late that there is not much use for it
That and I have heard that he is very hard to link with.

Man

Roguelikes suck

>>157890791
No, but if it has a goat's head you're beating off to the goat.

>>157890897
You keep going anon, someday your dad will love you enough that you can admit your homosexuality.

Ok but now seriously, what's wrong with bestiality

>>157890503
Svn(short for subversion) is a version control system.
Git is also a version control system.
He's telling everyone to git gud. It's not particularly clever.

>>157891306
>[I fap to faces]
Okey-dokey weirdo. Next thing you'll be telling me is that you play roguelikes for the social interactions.

>>157890791
Since I don't consider hybrid humanoids human, yes actually, I would consider that beastiality.
Not that I care what you masturbate to, as long as you keep it to yourself.

>>157891495
>He doesn't know that the face is the single most important area for human recognition and empathy

>>157891734
>[I empathize with things that I fap to]
Literally a cuck
>>157891713
Buzz off Mennas.

>>157891713
Why do you define bestiality as "non-human" though. In the real world those are the only two options but in a setting with non-human, non-animals* it would make sense to have a more precise definition.

Humans are obviously animals. I guess I mean more like non-sentient.

>>157891841
I didn't know you were soulless, anon.

Those stupid level 11 snakes in arcadia hurt like a motherfucker.

>>157891841
>he has never masturbated to his gf
What are you doin if you arent getting nasty in your inbox lad?

>try to recruit a yali
>it kills two of my dudes and I still failed
Mistakes were made

HOLD THE FUCK UP

Storm Walk can be used on shocked allies.

>>157892412
IIRC, they're not guaranteed to be level 11, they just happen to be one of the spawns guaranteed to have a ridiculously high level. Such spawns appear in every branch.
>>157892338
Suffice to say that my fetishes are the sort that make empathy undesirable in the case of 3DPD, and impossible in the case of 2D. I believe myself to be emotionally normal in all other ways; I'm not soulless.
>>157892594
I don't have a gf. I've never had a gf. I'm okay with that.

Comfiest roguelike? I vote tome.

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>walking through unknown new place
>got here through a portal
>'okay, so there's definitely magic in this universe.'
>big metal statues
>in every crossroad
>already badly wounded, haven't found any healing items, unsure if they even fucking exist
>scared.jpg
>controlled encounter- decide to smack one of the statues
>poke
>poke poke
>nothing
>move to open the door
>metal screech as two statues come to life and smack me in the head
I fucking shat my god damn pants.

>>157893917
What roguelike is this?

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>looks like a lot of light attackers, I'll put out my light immune demons for this battle
>all of them focus on me and smite me down in three rounds
I didn't think this one through.

>>157893917
any other roguelikes with big white spaces at the bottom? I'm a minimalist.

>>157894078
Exanima.
Sadly, it's not randomized.
Controls are hard to get used to, but once you do, combat is pretty fucking fun.

>>157894119
If you're in /rlg/, that xan be any roguelike.

>>157894119
>burns you terribly!!!

>>157893707
Which one? Tome4, or the Tome that created Furyband? Either way, I vote C:DDA. It may be a massive waste of time, and it may have no future, and it may have no z-levels, but when you want to replicate the feeling you get when you're in the warm, safe, and dry, and there's a hurricane outside, there's nothing better.

It's genuinely comforting to return to your base after a short scouting trip on your tiny, handbuilt, motorbike and dig into some MREs. I wish your hunger/thirst didn't increase so rapidly. I'm a young man at the peak of his life, not a calorie furnace. Sitting in bed reading shouldn't require 5 hamburgers a day. For that matter, I'm doubtful that fighting zombies all day needs that much either.

>>157894112
>attacker MC
You didn't think this one through.

You can't unsummon yourself to wait out rape

>>157890021
Your tummy-based roguelike from the previous thread intrigues me, but I must know: how do navels factor into the game?

>>157894496
Furniture-moving and fire-starting simulator 2040 is definitely top comf.

>>157891841
>>[I empathize with things that I fap to]
>Literally a cuck

You should try self-inserting as the elf girl in one of those orc rape impregnation doujins.

You really don't know what you're missing.

>>157894931
This.

I tried really hard but the shock build doesn't work. You need like five passives for any sense of consistency and by then you're over committed to one element. And it's still not even that good.

I really wanted to be zippy zap man, but you're lucky to get even one shock per fight.

>>157894496
> I'm doubtful that fighting zombies all day needs that much either.
I worked construction for several months as a student over a summer, you'd be surprised how much water and food you need to sustain you for long periods of physical work, especially relative to the neetlife I live now. But yeah, it's still too much in cata, there should be some option for it.

Is pakellas still gone in Trunk?

>>157896047
Yes, but not in the Circus Animals branch.

>>157893292
OH SHIT

>>157895693
what if you added a heal ability to fall back on when elec doesn't work

>>157894895
Haven't thought that far yet. Maybe runes placed on top of navels can't be damaged in combat or get powered up.

>>157894496
I meant Tome4. I haven't played C:DDA in years. I'll have to come back to it on a rainy day.

>>157898071
How is Tome4 comfy? It's all combat, all the time.

>>157898143
Something about the aesthetics and being able to talk to people and see how they're doing etc.

>>157897618
Might be nice, but a bit underwhelming. There's a wealth of fun things to do with belly buttons.

>>157890021

What gaem is this?

>>157895693
would be nice is there was some abilities that negated resistances like in ToME4. You don't know true power unless you have kill the storm peak boss that has 100% lightning resist solely with lightning.

>>157900497
All there is is hex, which makes anything vulnerable to the three types of physical attacks, and nothing is immune to any kinds of physical attacks in the game. I think that hex wouldn't work on dark-immune demons, though.

Should I go melee or ranged as an ESPer?

>>157890182
yeah baphomet having tits+dick is mythologically canon

>Tiger 1 is worth 12 VP
>Tiger 2 is also worth 12 VP
>Jagdtiger is only worth 6 VP
wooooooow. Wish VP did more than act as just score and performing well would give you a better tank choice during refit periods. Lost like 3 shermans so far but have 1500 VP.

>>157891734
not if you have the 'tism it's not

yeah i can't use porn with ugly faces either

>>157893917

the high-quality cropping here proves that you're an rlg poster, which means rather than a stupid newbie not knowing what "roguelike" means this is just bait

>>157900882
Qud? Go full eyelaser/mindblast, maybe take some gun skills

Do you guys prefer classic roguelikes or action roguelikes more? I've been really getting into Diablo lately.

speaking of rogue likes, i've been thinking about buying darksouls 3 to play with a buddy. opinions? y/n?
if n, what other coop rogue like should we play instead

>>157901197
That's probably why most furries are autistic, actually.

Real Australian hours indeed. Goodnight you lot of imbeciles.

>>157907243
goodnight anon, i love u <3

unless youre the one who posted exanima, in which case kys yourself pls

>D:2 Jiyva at mystery altar

>>157865363
You really think the Amy sounds like that? The real Amy (that's me) would say "op my win bitches!"

>>157907984
>no numbers as letters
nice try notAmy

>pseudoellipticposchengmpaband
All these letters

>>157889637
>generic moeblob
That ain't a baphomet sonny

>nerds think that monster musume is good
And here I thought /rlg/ was mostly /tg/ mixed with /vg/ with a dash of /vr/
Monstergirls are supposed to be female monsters, like kobolds or dragons or mimics or smol horses or literally anything that's not a generic humanoid torso & face with some animal parts like lamias and dryders and centaurs.
Those are literally entry-level monster girls

>>157910176
Shoo, go away furry. Stop trying to claim all the fetishes are part of yours.

>>157871416

>Still no Rogue Effect pasta

Is it just a matter of someone writing one?

>>157910621
things have to be created in order to exist, yes
it won't spring fully-formed out of the lumineferous aether

>>157910548
>you see here a distressingly furry ice dragon suit
>it is extra snug and warm
>you got it from Uncle Yiff on level 6

>>157910787
/rlg/ is fucking ice cold tonight. I like it!

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Speaking of uniques, I perfected the way to skill a MuMo and I realized that earlygame uniques are a blessing for a mummyman.
Basically:
0) always level up dex (that's an axiom of crawl, but with MuMo you literally can't have enough dex)
1) level UC up to XL 6
2A)if you got a xl:5 dex statup get dodge up to 15.
2B)If you got a xl:5 str statup get UC up to 8, then get dodge to 15.
2C) if you got an int statup go tab an ogre. If you die it wasn't worth playing, if you live then your clever bandages are worth something after all.
3)Start alternating one point of UC to one of dodge. Do this up to level 9 UC, then train dodging up to 9.
4) you're probably around d:9/10 so before lair you'll have to grab some fighting. Get it up to 7 before entering lair, you'll want 9 UC, 7 Fighting and 9 dodging not to die to a spiny. Keep going down the dungeon before entering lair, because spinies and mambas don't fuck around and most stuff in D is kitable. If you find an ugly thing, leave immediately.
5) Once you're ready for lair, go for it.

Some quick tips:
>Sigmund is free XP if you stairdance him
>robin is a free helmet
>uncle yiff has a free cloak
>don't read stacks of 2 scrolls, it will be blinking or teleport and you basically don't want to use them before lair.
>Killer bees are horrible with low AC. Don't fight them if you're not lair-ready and even then stairdance them one at a time.
>bucklers are FOREBODEN. Yes, even that +2 buckler of resistance.
>don't engage ogres with 13 EV.
>don't fight a hydra without a shield.
>pray you don't find invisible horrors.
>use consumables if your life depends on it.
>orc priests are free xp at UC >=5, death threats otherwise. Orc wizards too. Stairdance them and wait upstairs if they are hasted.
>Iguanas, worker ants and hounds are generally free XP on d3/4 . Beware the d1 and D2 adder. Only start killing adders when you're xl 3.

That should be about everything! Happy fisting!

>>157912523
Get a trip and then kill yourself.

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>>157871625
TUMMY BOIS WW@

>>157910176
>claims to be /tg/
>doesn't even take into account ye olde monstergirl waifu roll charts
baka senpai desu

no tummies for a week

It's nine o'clock on a wednesday
DCSS crowd shuffles in
There's a gargoyle poster sitting next to me
posting tums with a smile that's a grin

He says, "How do I skill a transmuter
I'm not really sure how it works"
But he's down to lair three and I know his UC
enough with the shitposts, you dorks

La la la, di da da
La la, di da da da dum

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>>157912921
No._

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>>157913196
STOP LEWD!

>>157913737
dumb akari poster

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>>157913765
STOP BULLY TOO!

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>>157913807

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>>157913807

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Guys.
Roguelikes.

>>157914103
I need the 2hu roguelike so that tummies can be /rlg/

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>>157912921
>insulting a pharaoh

>>157871416
anyone here played Omega Labyrinth? is it good?

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>>157914476
It's okay anon.
You must find inner peace in the greatest of storms.

>>157912523
>perfected
>still hasn't won a second time

>>157912523
I question fighting that late, especially over the maginal, incrimental returns from dodging. It's just anecdotal but following heavy dodging always seems to lead to suffering but fighting is your best aptitude and 5 fighting at level 5 is around 8-10HP, which is sizable that early on.

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>>157913939
>>157914006
STOP BULLY!

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>>157914890

Mummies can't pick up silver runes, anon. They're undead.

>>157913546
It's four am on a tuesday
Dicks still hasn't checked in
There's a MiBe Screenshot posted before me
I bet he's gonna otab to a win

Anon says, "Crawl isn't a real roguelike,
flavour isn't just bloat"
"At least it's not DDA", "Ohaiyou, let's do our best today!"
My MuMo just died when he got Smote

La la la, di da da
La la, di da da da dum

There should be an egyptian themed roguelike?

>>157915865
we gotta work on that powerslave mumo lyrics thing

>>157916218
We've got enough creative talent in the general :^)

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rrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>157916676
>trunkmumo
but why would you ever play a version where lair is 4 levels deep

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>>157916676
gonna call it a night

>(p)rayer is gone
what the fuck, how do i hear my beloved gozag's lines now?

>>157912523
>bucklers forbidden
but the winning players used bucklers
>no amulets
clarity is gone, so why?

>>157919310
You can wear a buckler without investment for practically no drawback and only takes a little investment to completely remove, they're very strong. And Regen is really strong, so is shielding with buckler

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>>157919310
>but the winning players used bucklers
That's because no bucklers is a new rule because bucklers are a no brainer
They're literally 2good. Dicks joked about it in his MuMo stream when he was kiting an emperor scorpion in spider and talking about offhand punches how the fuck do i remember this what the shit I haven't seen that thing in a year and a half and it became a rule.
All the pharaohs have to follow the rule now.

Also regen is an amulet (by the way regen is banned even on artifacts, like a shield I found a hundred chars ago-ish) and reflection is an amulet and even dismissal is an amulet, and they are 2good.

>>157915370
>I question fighting that late, especially over the maginal, incrimental returns from dodging
Fighting is for the 0AC while fighting spinies and porcupines. That +15 HP can and will literally save your life and it's a very small investment compared to getting a single point of EV more because of the +0 Mu Fighting apt.
>It's just anecdotal but following heavy dodging always seems to lead to suffering but fighting is your best aptitude and 5 fighting at level 5 is around 8-10HP, which is sizable that early on.
My old strat was getting 5 UC, then 5 dodge, then 5 Fighting and then level them one by one (6 UC, then 6 dodge, then 6 fighting), but I realized that was kind of suboptimal. It's still open to discussion of course. I could try it again or at least mabe get fighting right after I get 16 EV.

>>157920049
How terrible is offhand punch?

>>157920386
>How terrible is offhand punch?
Without blade hands, claws or any form of slaying?
Laughably so.

>riposte constriction
Stealth Naga buff?

>>157920049
>by the way regen is banned even on artifacts
please stop making new rules up

in elona do magic missile/ whatever bolt rod damage scale with magical device?

>>157920912
>please stop making new rules up
Son, these are the laws of dicku.
Back in .15 regen+ wasn't a thing you could get on artifact armors.
Also, if you look at the mumofesto you can see the regen symbol, not the amulet of regen.

Imagine if you want, that a new artifact propriety in trunk gave +speed like the boots of running.
Would you say that that a cloak with +speed is halal?
Fuck no. Don't be a shitter.
Regen is banned, period.

>>157920663
>only one enemy at a time
Octopode buff!
>>157921219
Slaying and regen are banned in total; no unrandarts with then, no randarts with them.

>>157921297
yep, slaying too.
Negative slaying is halal, though.

>>157921297
octopode don't need a buff tbqh, naga are just a fucking pain

>>157921647
>octopode don't need a buff tbqh
'podes should be able to wear cloaks
and cats should be able to wear boots

where can i download older dcss versions? i want to play potion thrower again, on the older release page for some reason 0.9 to 16 is available only for osx

>>157921676
Have you ever seen an octopus? A cloak would just slide off it, it doesn't have shoulders to keep it in place. Cats should be able to wear hats too

>>157921749
Quite possible they didn't build for OSX before that.
Anyway you can look here:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/crawl-ref/files/Stone%20Soup/

I was looking through the powerslave lyrics, but they're so nice that I'm honestly hesitant to start chopping
I mean, you can't just change something like the 'Powerslave' chorus, that's just wrong.

>>157923027
What does this have to do with Sil though?

>>157923436
TELL ME WHY I HAVE TO BE A POWERSLAVE
I DON'T WANT TO DIE I'M A MUMMY WHY CAN'T I LIVE ON

>>157923027
It's a great song. Actually the first one I heard from iron maiden, too.
What do you propose?

>>157923436
's for the mumo song thing that we wanna add to the 'v' musical
or just do for fun anyway
we're gonna work on the lyrics and then I'm gonna sing 'em

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wooooow

>>157923651
Well there's not really a big rush, since it's going to be for next year's musical.

>>157923887
wait what
shit
I gotta listen to the new one

Getting into Nethack(4) for the first time recently after burning out a bit on angband.

I'm liking the sense of desperation the game has. I still suck dick at the game though, I have no idea what half of the items do and I can't figure out a good method of IDing items I want to wear.

Still, I'd rather stumble through blind than just look up spoilers.

>>157923802
My man that happens like 30% of the time
>>157923651
I have no idea, I got as far as replacing 'Into the abyss' with 'Into the dungeon', then I stopped for lunch

>>157924037
Into the dungeon I crawl, the plight of all of us?

>>157924037
I've only got ideas for some random parts right now.

With the chorus, you could replace
>I don't wanna die, I'm a God, why can't I live on?
>When the Life Giver dies, all around is laid to waste
With
>I don't wanna fault, I'm a monk, why can't I reload?
>When the Tabmaster dies, all savefiles are laid to waste

And in the later part
>I'll strike from the grave
With
>I leave no bones files

Also, there should be a reference to "procedural death mazes" in there somewhere.

>>157924037
>Tell me why I had to play a Mummy, Dave?

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what is the procedural death maze meme

>>157924598
SomewhatRoguelike
Rogueish
Roguelikelike
Procedural Death Mazes

>>157924670
I Don't Like It

>>157924706
You don't have to

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Look at all this free xp

>>157924753
Good 'cuz I don't

>>157924808
>The polar bear goes berserk.
>OUCH! That really hurt.

>>157924823
still better than claiming FTL is the same genre as Brogue

>>157924808
The Black Bear goes berserk!
The Polar Bear goes berserk! x2

>>157924598
Personally, I feel that roguelike is an elitist (and therefore problematic) term that needs to be more inclusive in order to draw more people to the subgenre. The "classic" roguelikes like Nethack and Angband should be re-termed as turn-based procedural death mazes, leaving the term "roguelike" available for more popular games like Spelunky, Risk of Rain, and Binding of Isaac.

Just one girl's opinion. *shrugs*

>>157924908
>>157924837
>fearing the speed 10 monster
hogs are actually worse.

>>157924978
Haha you cheeky cunt

>>157924994
you can walk hogs back to stairs straight away, it won't hurt but if an angry PB passes your EV it'll sting.

>>157924978
Forgot your :)

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>>157925119

>>157925306
>>157924908
>>157924837
/rlg/ was right again!

>>157925306
Bearserk gives haste and +50% damage on top of 20+5+5 base, not surprising senpai

If an amulet in Elona says "Catches signals from God", what does that mean exactly?

>>157925476
randomly and on certain events you'll get flavor text messages depending on what god you worship

basically useless but fun

>>157925476
You occasionally get little quips from your current deity.

>>157925476
iirc it lets gods message you more often?

>http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Berlin_Interpretation
I'd argue any game missing a core facet "high value factor" can no longer be considered a "Real Roguelike"

>>157923802

Better it happen in Elona than IVAN, at least.

>>157925670
It's almost universally agreed that the first four are the only ones that matter.

>>157925936
Why are people so eager to have games like FTL and BoI in the same genre as things like Nethack anyway? It's the one thing I don't get.

I'm honestly surprised that both zombie survival roguelikes use hit points primarily and not headshots vs "one bite and you're hooked."

I wonder how you could make marksmanship and wrestling free of zombies more engaging in a roguelike?

>>157925670
>playing what appears to be a roguelike
>somewhere elf npcs are fighting orc npcs
NO ROGUELIKE FOR YOU

>>157926336
menu based shooting? I.e aim for centre of mass to increase accuracy but reduce damage, aim for extremities for status effects, head for damage but lower accuracy. Wrasslin' is just melee combat, I don't see how you could do it without DF style convolutedness

>>157926420
how would you know they were fighting?

>>157926052
It's not so much about the games as about them personally. They want to be able to say that they play roguelikes.

A lot of them find the term "roguelite" offensive because they feel that it strips away their hardcore e-cred.

>>157926560
>how would you know they were fighting?
Well, you may see it one day? Then it would turn out your whole life is a lie, because the Berlin Interpretation means its now a roguelite.

>>157926636
This applies to other areas too, both roguelikes and roguelikelikes fall under RPGs in the same way Civ and Age of Empires fall under strategy. But when talking about Strategy you make sure to differentiate between turn based and real time, because the games play completely differently.

I confirm the fighting tip from >>157915370, with a small adjustment.
Getting 8 fighting after getting 16 EV seems like a good strategy.

So to recap:
UC to 8 (if level 5 dex statup then get dodge up to15/if str statup get UC to 7 then EV to 14, then UC to 8 and EV to 16) then EV 16, then fighting to 8, then 9 UC, 9 fighting and 9 dodge.

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what order should I level my skills and to what levels as a Be?

>>157925670
FTL literally hits every High Value Factor besides non-modality which is easily the weakest of the bunch.

Whether or not this is a good or bad thing depends on your opinion on whether or not FTL "should" roguelike and how important you consider the Berlin Interpretation to be.

>>157927235
10-min delay weapon skill depending on your apts then fighting until HEALTHY then dodging or armor then the other one. From there you want more dodging, armor, stealth and HEALTH

>>157926560
>Wrasslin' is just melee combat, I don't see how you could do it without DF style convolutedness

I was thinking that there'd be several layers of being endangered, the more zombies that surround you and are grabbing you, the more risky action you're doing (turning your back on a zombie, ie performing a directional action away from one, would be especially dangerous, especially if fleeing while slow enough for it to back attack you). The riskier things get, the more likely something bad would be to happen, with a bite, of course, being the worst.

>>157927325
>turn-based

>>157926052
Creators like to push it since the roguelike genera has a very very good name in general - free development, strong and involved community, huge replaybillity and that oh-so-attractive tint of 'intelligent gaming!'

Simply put, it's excellent marketing/work association to peddle your shit

The argument against it would be that when a person goes looking for a roguelike, you should actually find a game like rogue so you can play it

>>157927496
>pausing

>>157927325
Its certainly indisputably less of a roguelike than, say, Diablo, and I've only very rarely heard people argue it is such.

>>157927579
>tick based gameplay

>>157927602
But Diablo is a real-time game. FTL actually gives you a Ring of Turn Based Game.

>>157927717
>But Diablo is a real-time game.

I don't recall the rebel guys waiting for my turn.

Man, what the fuck is the deal with CDDA turrets. Were they all programmed to be assholes? Just lost my once again most promising character by peeking around a door into a science lab room and instantly getting blown away.

>>157927863
they're just doing their job!

>>157927863
Peeking does nothing.

However, I find it very easy to figure out which rooms have turrets, due to the illuminated doors.

For whatever reason, they no longer have turrets in the bathrooms etc.

>>157927820
There is never any pressure on your time in FTL, was my point. It's not twitch based and the only reason you ever make a mistake is due to a failure to properly consider all your options. That is, in my opinion, one of the most important factors of Roguelike gameplay. Accidents aren't an excuse and you always could've done better if you just slowed down. It's about knowledge.

>>157927958
Illuminated doors? I know that you can (sometimes?) see turrets beyond the edge of your light because they'll have a lighter # but I hadn't noticed any doors. I'll look out for that next time, as far as I can tell there's no good reason to be opening the door to a turret room.

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>>157871416
>zephyr hounds filling a zangband z-room
nice

>>157928109
Well, if you are lab starting, turret room doors are very obvious. If you already have a light, they are not so obvious, but you probably will be able to make armor that will protect you from those turrets.

>>157928292
Yeah I went down there with a light. I could go back to very strict light discipline, leaving it off most of the time and only flicking in on to scope out larger rooms.

Is there any light source that only casts one or two tiles radius? That might be handy to have around.

>>157928463
A few. Atomic lamp and atomic nightlight I think.

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interesting
tactical
situations

>no mahou shoujo mad max roguelike

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>>157929454

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>get back from class
>decide to play some DCSS, although I hate the early game
>discover I didn't splat last night like I thought and I have a char in progress
Feels so good man. Thanks, past me.

>>157929646
>time to load up the 4rune char I left sat in hell vest for some post game
>remember you splatted and can't be fucked starting a new char

>>157929454
Fault. Git gud

>>157929514
>>157929756
cyberbullies pls stop

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>>157929862
you quoted the wrong anon
fault confirmed

>>157929454
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>>157929749
Iktfb

>Ijyb comes into view
>Ijyb zaps a wand. The bolt of acid hits you
fuck off

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>>157930087
>>157929975
i am own fault

>>157930184
You think he's bad now?

>Ijyb zaps a wand. Your body twists and deforms.
>Ijyb zaps a wand. Your vision blurs.
>Ijyb zaps a wand. You feel a little pissed off.

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>>157930484
>Gachapin breathes chaos.
>You feel a change coming over you.
>Your life rating has changed.
>Gachapin breathes toxic waste.
>Your body starts to scramble...

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>>157930335
That's the spirit!

>>157886142
>Giving your healer the lifegiver mod instead of one of the pure magic mods

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>>157932089
chei

>>157907610
I don't even know what exanima is.

>>157932089
Hip Hep of old dudes

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>>157932089
do you want to cast sick spells, wear heavy armor, a huge shield, and still smash the shit out of baddies with an enormous weapon?

It's ALMOST synergy, and it IS fun.

Take it easy. Take Chei.

don't forget you'll have abilities other than fuckimslow and slouch...anon cheitards keep dying because they forget to step

>>157894496
There's a very big difference in your caloric needs between sitting on your ass and when you're out being a real nigga. There's a reason why MRE's have so many calories.
Not like it matters in DDA. You have unlimited food near forests which also shit out permafood and craftable seeds like nobodies business. Slingshots let you bag small game. Charcoal smokers, rock kilns and smoking racks are easy to craft chain up and craft to preserve excess both on the road and at home. It's trivial to craft chain up to a hoe by autumn in time for the buckwheat apocalypse. Eventually you find a salt water tile at a swamp. Veggie aspic lets you preserve with only water to minimize charcoal loss. Bone broth is pretty stronk when it becomes relevant. A little comp skill lets you grab lab maps for anthills for gorillions of eggs and smoked meat as long as you leave the queen alone. Fish runs provide tons of permafood. A trowel/stick give you tons of dahlia flour. farms are a couple hundred flour and veg aspic each. By the time you need to stop at places for a bit to work on a vehicle or extended looting, You've already been using your hoe to drop hundreds of rhubarb/wild veg/herb seeds on each regional cache. Your tins pile up. you get a foodco to vacuum pack slices. You find a can sealer to make tins of woodland soup like mad. Vinegar is easy to make and find for pickle chaining oodles of food.

Having the space for such concentrated autism is the bigger fight.

>>157895693
Not like it matters, just grab light arrow, vigor drain and ritualist or some other resource skill.

>>157898071
Should, it got a lot more craft recipes for comf. Set construction to 500-700 or higher so you don't take literally 3 years for a 2x2 autism farm cause the system doesn't account for any degree of skill or mechanical assistance.

>>157931260
Stoaga?

>>157932089
Take it easy.

Don't forget to get invocs and use bend time.

they got rid of haste

now what overpowered buff spell do i aim for?

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No sign of life of Dicku
In floods of tears we cried

All hope's lost it can't be undone
He's wasted and gone

Save me your speeches
I know (He charmed us all)

What we want
You will take it away from me

Take it and I know for sure
The light he once brought in
Is gone forevermore

Like sorrowful seagulls they sang
We're lost in the shitpost
The summer cloud brought
(A wailing when the spaniard was gone
Come take a look at the thread)

"Ded" posts covered the shore
Fearful into the unknown
Quietly it crept in new roguelites
Insanity reigned
And spilled the first blood
When the old thread was slain

Tum-Tum
Quietly crept in and changed us all
Shitpost
Quietly crept in and changed us all
/rlg/
Immortal thread lies down in agony

How long shall we
Mourn in the dark

the bliss and the beauty
Will not return

Say farewell to sadness and grief
Though long and hard the road may be

But even in silence I heard the words
"Cblink is bloat"

By the name of the gargoyle one
Until the thread's end
It can't be stopped

Just wondering how
I can still see these posts inside

The doom of the Aralgeeans drew near

The words of a banished king
"We're getting that Orb"
Filled with anger aflamed our hearts

Full of hate
full of Edain pride
How we screamed for revenge

MuMo
Quietly crept in and changed us all
MuMo
Quietly crept in and changed us all
MuMo
Immortal king, endures the agony

"Come hell or high water" that's what you said
Then your oath's been sworn in vain

(But) freely you came and
You freely shall depart

Always trust the spanish winds
Never turn your back on friends

"Oh I'm heir of the high lord!"
"You better don't trust silk"

The enemy of mine
Isn't he of your kind and
Finally you may follow me

"Hope you had a good summer"
He said

MuMo
Quietly crept in and changed us all
MuMo
Quietly crept in and changed us all
MuMo
Immortal king, endures the agony

>>157932482
?
I have no idea. It's just an image I saved from /rlg/ and a sentiment of good luck (and acknowledge that everything is own fault) that I also saved from /rlg/.

>>157932554
Song of slaying Death channel, infestation, animate skeleton and Simalcrum

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>>157932606

>>157932606
hero worship and namefagging is repulsive
nice-ish poetry at least

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>>157932606

>>157932606
Toppest kek that post was fucking gold.

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what in the shit just came into my salary chest

>>157933271
It's just a ston.

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>>157933271

>>157933271
Taek ruk and chuk up
Ruk is love
Ruk is life
All you need is ruk-chan