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Uneasy sleep edition.

Previous thread >>157537096
Dominions is a fantasy turn-based war game created by two dudes. One of them is a teacher.

The game combines a simple presentation with an extremely wide array of strategic options, including over 2800 units, 800 spells and 300 magic items. Turns are resolved simultaneously, with players planning battles rather than directly controlling them.

It has simplistic graphics but is easily moddable and extremely deep.

Basically, it's an autist’s wet dream of a war game.

>Steamgroup
Join the steamgroup for multiplayer
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya

>Group chatroom
steam://friends/joinchat/103582791434709795

>Our work-in-progress wiki
http://dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Dominions_4_Wiki

>Our pastebin
http://pastebin.com/uTZnjYwm (embed) (embed) (embed)

>Dom4 Manual
http://jaffa.illwinter.com/dom4/manual_dom4.pdf

>Dom4 Inspector
This is a community resource that has every unit, spell, and item in the game in an accessible database.
http://larzm42.github.io/dom4inspector/

>Play by email guide:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=202096551

>Debug Mod:
For testing battle formations and spells
http://dom4archive.kermodebear.org/www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/debug-mod.html

>Where do I get it?
It is available on Gamersgate and Steam. Desura is kill.

>THE BASICS
>Read the manual
>Read the wiki
>Read the pastebin
>Watch some LPs by Maerlande or NuclearMonkee
>Jump into MP feet first
>Never discuss politics unless you want to be banned for 24 hours

Submit completed games here:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1jHX_ZoJi6zIvDq6ANdp-W1Y89W5_fmShuDyHmAj5qC4/viewform

Results Here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dlrvyEqLFYIaXRc49TheMmfdoP8jEh1m5rZJHJAzDWQ/edit?usp=sharing
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>thread wars
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>>157785716
It's not a war if it's won as soon as it's started :^)
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>>157785716

The other thread has a rat for the OP pic. That has nothing to do with Dom 4.
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What bless should I use for EA Mictlan?
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>>157787271
quadbless, no scales
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>>157787492
pls
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>>157787492
At least say what quadbless. The one on demilich is pretty shit, and you're better off using tri/duobless instead of going D9 tbqh familla.
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>>157787271
>>157787531
N9B9 is the bogstandard good scales build, but I've personally been enjoying N9B9W9 tribless with minimal dominion outside of my cap. Turns out that the dom management thing isn't too hard to manage
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Anybody has a link to dom3/4 OST on youtube or for download? I wanna listen to some of that santa maria groove when going to work.
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>>157787271
Depends what you want to achieve.
N9B9 is the scales build, but is more geared for the lategame with Ozelotls. I also don't think it's good.

W9X9 or F9X9 can actually kill stuff. W9F9 is the murderbless. It's good on jags and turns Ozelotl into murder incarnate with their flying and 3 attacks (6 attacks on their alpha strike).

W9N9 or W9D9 or W9B9 are pretty good blesses. They have good offensive aspects and some defensive aspect. Depends what you want them to do.
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Remember when B9 was shit?
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>>157790421

Back when N was regen minor, berserk major? I sure do.
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>>157790421
I mean maybe if you had a ton of sacred chaff you could throw at people that might be alright. Imagine if it horror marked instead of cursed.
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steam is ded
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Andre will you give me pearls? Can pay in nature.
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>>157788641
Is D9 worth it in the age of magical creatures? The damage is MR-negates.
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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=VanillaCataclysm
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What blesses are people taking for Kailasa in summod? Is A9 worth it now that the recruit-anywhere sacreds get javelins?
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>>157793482

D minor is useful for extra buffer with an N9. D major is not a reliable damage dealer, but is useful for affliction spread, which is at least potentially useful against thug/sc heavy nations and giants.

In general I'd say the D bless is superior to A, S and E, but it's not a gamechanger in the way B9/N9/W9 are, but as always it depends.
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>>157794706
Done.
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>>157794780

A9 is never, ever worth it.

A4 or A6 can SOMETIMES be worth taking, if you have a lot of sacred casters, and want air forging/globals.
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>>157796020
This. Mostly you're fine with A4 because it gives you boosters/air queens/wrathful skies and shit.
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Speaking of Kailasa, we need a sub for GinnungagapREBIRTH. This is a last stand position for those that want to valiantly fend off a 2v1 after having lost most of your stuff or masochists that want to see naked dancers getting mindblasted by tentacle fish and old men.

Their bless is E9N9
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>>157794706
ONE SLOT

WE NEED A HERO
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>>157796020
>>157790421
Since we're on the subject of good vs shit blesses...

What would you make Air give, to make it worthwhile? What about Astral? What else do you think needs help?
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>>157797256
I'm down
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>>157797416
Astral is fine, honestly. It gives you a wishcaster, so nothing to grumble about. I'd change D9's effect to decay instead of disease, and A9 to... Glamour maybe? Retaining the air shield mechanics from Dom3 (A4 - air shield 40%, A5 - air shield - 50% etc) and +precision.
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>>157797256


Fuuuuu

it already started, i really wanted to try another cata game too
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>>157798358
There's a cata + natgen nation in the works. No ETA on that, though.
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>>157797256
Someone give me a link to the map. So I can take my turn.
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>>157798904
http://www.moddb.com/mods/project-omniomicon/addons/snerdryn-v11
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>>157798904
Never mind I think I got it.
>>157799009
Yep, thanks anyway mate.
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Any other games recruiting?
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>>157799737
There was a Latus4 one or something, but I dont think that will be running soon.
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Perhaps its time for another Archaea game to set sail, with the meme of *actually* starting with all the players, and using normal settings.
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Who's sent their turn in:
Marignon 2h file received
Man Waiting for 2h file
Gath 2h file received
Pythium 2h file received
Jomon 2h file received
Agartha 2h file received
Arcoscephale 2h file received
Ulm 2h file received
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>>157787271

F4W4

Bless Mictlan is a meme.
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I love ichtyids.
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I love ichtyids!
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>>157806949
>>157808219
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>>157797416
How to make A9 bless not shit:
>blessed units have their encumbrance reduced by 3
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>>157808491
>make A9 into Ex
Pretty sure "copy a bless that already works" isn't a novel and genius idea, but one that was ignored because it was obvious and dumb.
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>>157808491
How about blessed units get flight?
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>>157808926
how about a wallop on the kisser ya wiseguy
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>>157808491
How about making precision increase the chance to bypass enemy shields and crit with ranged attacks?

It wouldn't be a direct buff to A9, but I think the problem with A9 is that elite ranged units with high precision aren't much better than cheap ranged units.

>>157808926
>minor bless for ranged units
>major bless for melee units
Might be interesting, though.
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>>157808491
How to really make A9 worthwhile
>attacks/projectiles/spells of blessed units have a 50% chance to crit and inflict double the damage.
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How does site bonuses work? Like say, a bonus of 20 to thaumaturgy. What does that even mean?
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>>157810726
>>157810726
20% reduction on gems spent on rituals from that school, not counting overcast
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>>157809464
I see the precision bonus as more for magi than troops anyways
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Glitch, can we talk?
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>>157810806
I see, thanks.
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What's the best nation in ME for MA?
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>>157811006
About what?
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>>157808491
How about flying shield instead? Works sorta like luck did in Dom3.
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>>157811278
Pythium
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>>157811339
Our continued co-prosperity?
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>>157812081
Go on.
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>TFW when you submit a turn, and then find out that the deadline was 6 minutes before.
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Threadly reminder that we need a sub for Kailasa
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>>157812220
Do I have to spell it out?
THERE'S A STACK OF UNITS ON OUR BORDER AND ITS SCARING ME SEMPAI
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>>157813561
>sempai
>seMpai
>M
Triggered
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>>157813561
Why don't you just kneel down, open your pretty mouth, and then use it for what it does best?
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>>157813631
Sorry senpai!
>>157813687
Will this secure our continued co prosperity?
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>>157813802
You know, it just might.
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>>157813561
Oh.
That's just some Broken Lads. Don't worry, they're nice guys. You've got nothing to fear from them.

But it's good that you sought me out, I've been meaning to talk to you.
In short, I'd really appreciate it if you left 175 and 205 alone for now.
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>>157814329
I dumped a bunch of sacreds on 205 a couple turns ago and killed most of the shit there. If I can't reap the profits from my sacrifice I at least want compensation.
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>>157814505
Show me the logs for that, and we can talk about some compensation.
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>>157814592
I can't give you that. And I changed my mind about compensation. I'm going to go take the throne.
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>>157815273
War it is then.
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did that cataclysm game start already or not? I'm on a phone.
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>>157816112
ah, I remember the last time the glitchkin went to war.

The Wu Tang Clan slammed them until the numbers really did break. The Killa Bees could not be stopped.
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>>157816264
sounds like they didn't protect they necks
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Game: VanillaCataclysm
Turn number 1
Next turn due: 00:42 GMT on Friday October 21st

Barony of Black 2h file received
Bishopric of Brown 2h file received
Margraviate of Green 2h file received
Emirate of Grey 2h file received
Principality of Pink 2h file received
>Beydom of Purple Waiting for 2h file
Empire of Red 2h file received
Khanate of White 2h file received
Autocracy of Aquamarine 2h file received
Bureucracy of Beige 2h file received
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>>157819102
Too slow!
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>started next to a zotz province

wew lad
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>>157819548
Guess what a guy with dualbless started near.
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has anyone idea how to make a battle system like the one in dominions but in the starcraft editor?
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>>157822297
You need Void Sanity 20 IRL.
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>>157822297
I'm not familiar with the Starcraft 2 editor, but if it's anything like the Frozen Throne editor, then I'd start by taking attacks off the units. I'd then recreate the abilities with whatever Starcraft calls spells. So units with the new bane blade ability would inflict some kind of debuff along with damage and so forth.
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>>157797565
>>157797416
>Astral is fine because it gives you a wishcaster
No, you can do it at S6, S7 if you don't want to use rings. S9 needs to give +2pen, which would help olms to stay relevant and would help sacred mages, making astral a good bless for sacred astral mages. Also it would give you a chest slot with +2pen, which is wonderful if you are an astral nation.
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>>157824967
That's not a bad idea at all.
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Fugg, Ermor is pretty scary looking.
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>>157825482

Why is no one fighting him? Where is he anyway, I'm trying to find him but he seems far away from me.
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>>157824967
>No, you can do it at S6, S7 if you don't want to use rings.
It's not that you need S9 to get wish, it's that S9 gives you wish (plus rings, plus other cool astral shit) on top of your bless. Even though the bless is mediocre compared to other blesses, you get more use out of your pretender's spell path than other blesses do.

Also, depending on chassis that's not necessarily true. Monolith is the worst case example, but it needs S8 regardless of what items you have. Oracle needs S8 if you don't want to use rings, but can do it with rings at S6.
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No hard feelings about that clash right, Mathosia? Sent you some compensation for your losses.
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Does anyone know of a good AAR? Specifically one where a lot of diplomancy was cast
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>>157826482
How does an oracle wear rings? Does the girl wear it or do they just toss them into the fountain?
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>>157829478
First the girl wears it, then they toss her into the fountain.
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How to actually fix A9 bless

>No longer provides airshield
>Increases number of weapon(s) attacks by +1
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>>157829958
Sacreds with ethereal crossbows. Wew lad.
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>>157829958

A9 - mistform
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>>157830092
Maybe a weaker version of mistform, similar to how quickness bless is worse than quickness spell and how blood vengeance is worse than damage reversal
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>>157830286
>>157830092
>>157829958

Ever notice how the suspect Major blesses are all in paths that are really fucking good to have at high levels for lategame?
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>>157830386
You only need A5 for Fog Warriors, so getting A4 and forging a Winged Helmet is all you need.

Going A9 is completely useless.
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>>157830942
>Going A9 is completely useless.
B-but muh eagles!
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>>157831250
>paying the equivalent of 5 scales just to get a few more eagles per cast
No.
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>>157826831
I'm actually thankful that you revealed just how poorly my cavalry will do in a real clash.
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Any new games starting?
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>>157831618
So:
A is Dalkrin (?)
F is Sylvania
D is Glitch
G or H is Dwarves (?)
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>>157831618
B is vacant as well, I think C also is.
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>>157831730
>>157831871
How certain of these locations are you two?

I'll fire up the editor and add them.
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>>157819150

H-haiai!
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>>157832001
100%, you just need to look at the province in the game. C has a throne right on it, which means it's not a cap. D is empty as well, so Glitch must be on E, which leaves Sylvania with F, and of what I can see, territories match this theory.

No idea about B, G, or H. Dorfs being G or H is pure guesswork.
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>>157832335
That matches up with the rumors so I'll toss up an updated image soon. Is there any other continent or location that you want information on? I could probably throw together an image of the New World powers together just as quick.
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Okay everyone, it's time for another intelligence report! This time, it's on Berytos!

The reason I haven't been using pictures by the way is to avoid giving away information on other nations. It would take more editing than I really want to bother with.

His cap is at 139 and out of the 5 land provinces it connects to, only 2 are actually under his control. This is a good summary of his entire nation.
His provinces are spread about in pieces at this point due to being eaten as we speak, so he controls the Xibalba cap at 85, the C'tis cap (technically, it's under siege) at 128, the Throne of Summer at 135, and not much else of note. He has a fort at 126 that's under siege by fucking indies, no magic sites of note other than the throne that also has a few regular magic sites on it, and his empire is split in half with no connections between the two thanks to sieges.

That said, his army size in the graphs is notably still above average, his research is middling, same with his dominion and gem income, even his regular income, so i'm guessing he either has a lot of summoned stuff, a lot of chaff, or he actually has a major armed force building.
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>>157832492
Well I have no idea about the new world so sure, why not.
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>>157831660
NEETONLY2 when?
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>>157832708
Here's a quick map of the Americas + Atlantis.
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>>157833432
>South America
>Aurum

Conquistador time? Who owns notSpain?
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>>157833501

Why is everyone so interested in South America? It doesn't have that many provinces and they're not very good either. I don't get it.
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>>157833595
>South America
>Gold
>Spain

Make the connection anon.
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>>157833432
Here's an updated map. I'm actually not 100% on VARN because I'm suddenly recalling either Smerv or Robbledoth troops near there. Maybe it's Smerv where VARN is, VARN in North Africa, and Robbledoth in the Congo? Smerv could alternatively be where I placed the Dwarves. In any case, these maps should be approximately correct.

If you're keeping tally, the following nations weren't pictured:
- Imperials (Asia?)
- Itza (Tzeentch's Realm?)
- Smerv (Africa?)
- Robbledoth (Africa?)
- The Sahuagin (Water)
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>>157788641
D9 is garbage and you're garbage for suggesting it. B4 adds more to damage.
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>>157834421
>VARN in the desert
How appropriate.
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>>157834421
Smerv is on H from >>157831618
Itza is 233.
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>>157834727
Does undying work on both forms of jaguar warriors?
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>>157815273
>>157816112
Hey now, let's stop this memery.
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>>157835686
So are you telling me I'm not going to war with glitch?
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Blitz SOON
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>>157835670
No. Damage carries over to the next form, so if they're at -10, their jaguar form just starts with 10 less HP.
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>>157835818
Not unless you cause it.
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>>157836194
*N E V E R E V E R
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>>157836250
Alrighty then. Peaceful bats.
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>>157836250
Also, can we speak.. privately?
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>>157836554
Chat, now.
Jump in and say that you're Sylvania.
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>>157836743
I'm here and shouting for you. Where are you?
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Reminder Glitches get Stiches. Just Kill'em quick and snap der necks WU TANG STYLE

also their sacred cap recruit can crash games if if enough of them attack in one turn just FYI, annoying sometimes
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>>157837070
>also their sacred cap recruit can crash games if if enough of them attack in one turn just FYI, annoying sometimes
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good job Kalisa, but RIP your A9S4 god
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Who is the Floris/Radious/Meph of Dominions?
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>>157840919
Shitty Modnations.
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WOULD YOU FUCK OFF ALREADY OKOFIRE WITH YOU GOD DAMNED ANNOUNCEMENTS
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>>157841257
Reminder that blitz is starting SOON
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>>157841257
Does oko even browse /domg/?
Last time I heard he couldn't figure out how PBEM works.
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>>157841257
I'm fucking dying
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>>157841468
Doubt it. He sits in the chat spamming announcements, especially since some genius now thought he'd egg him on to make more.
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>1 trillion announcements
>0 alive blitzes
>100 players left the group
ummm... /dom/tards?
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>vanheim let this guy kill their group
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>>157842765
>Okofire can't even kill indies in the game
>manages to kill the group though

Meta as fuck powers.
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>>157842765
>autism kills the cancer

It's the medical breakthrough of the century!
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Okay I'd like to speak for the thread:

/domg/ is NOT vanheim.

I repeat. NOT EVERY PERSON FROM /DOMG/ USES THE CANCEROUS SHITHOLE THAT IS VANHEIM, AND NOT EVERY VANHEIM AUTIST GOES ON /DOMG/.

NO ONE BUT -YOU- CARES ABOUT THE SHITTY GROUP DRAMA THAT GOES DOWN IN THAT STEAMSHITTER HELLHOLE.

JUST STOP POSTING ABOUT IT. POO IN THE LOO THAT IS VANHEIM. STOP POSTING THAT SHIT IN OUR THREAD.
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>>157843343
I'd agree with you if the thread was active, but as it is now might as well keep the thread alive with it.
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>>157843343
Theyre not identical, but let's not pretend that they don't have 70% overlap or that we don't link directly to them. There's no real reason not to discuss it besides autism.
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Ill ban Okofire tommorow after the announcement/event shit gets fixed.
>>157843343
Mate do you not remember the amount of thread drama of /domg/ vs "steamshitters" that used to take up this thread? If you want to live a drama free life don't be so dramatic, your post only compounds on the retards who feel like repeating in this thread whats happening in the chat.
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>>157843820
>There's no real reason not to discuss it
It has nothing to do with Dominions, and all you faggots ever do is spam memes and drag chat drama into the thread. That's more than enough reason not to discuss it.

There's no reason to discuss it here. Keep your garbage in the chat where it belongs.
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>>157843343
I'd like to speak for the thread. For all intents and purposes, domg is pretty much vanheim. Most people who use one also use the other. One was founded by the other. Stop bringing your turbosperging about steamshitters into the thread. Nobody cares. If we wanted to read it, we would go to gsg.
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>>157843343
I'd like to speak for the thread.
Actually I'd like to do more. I'm making a
THREAD ANNOUNCEMENT.
BLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITZ
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>>157842765
Is this actually okofire? What a handsome devil! I can't bring myself to hate such a jolly scamp.
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>>157843962
>and all you faggots ever do is spam memes
To be fair this is about 60% of all /domg/ posts
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>>157843962
Oh no memes on 4chan whatever will we do
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http://vocaroo.com/i/s1FXg4i9ortn
I'm making a group announcement to this thread.
Please take 30 seconds out of your day to listen to this most important meme.
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>>157844381
This isn't something to aspire to. We should be a shining beacon of light among the darkness that is this shithole of a website.
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>>157844452
the disgusting sound of a dominions autist
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>>157844452
Are you some kind of weird fuckin scottish territorian or some shit?
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>>157844452
Most eloquently put milord
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>>157844452
you can keep that thread announcement FAOW NUAWWW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh13oP4gfQg
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>>157844452
Jesus christ that voice is actually terrifying. I feel like my anus has been violated by it.
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>>157844503
If I wanted to talk about dominions without memes I'd got to dom4mods.
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>>157844727
In that case I'll be going AI as well
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Okay I'd like to speak for the thread:

vanheim is NOT /domg/.

I repeat. NOT EVERY PERSON FROM VANHEIM USES THE RACIST SHITHOLE THAT IS 4CHAN, AND NOT EVERY 4CHAN RACIST GOES ON VANHEIM.

NO ONE BUT -YOU- CARES ABOUT THE SHITTY CHAN DRAMA THAT GOES DOWN IN THAT RACIST LOSER HELLHOLE.

JUST STOP POSTING ABOUT IT. POO IN THE LOO THAT IS /DOMG/. STOP POSTING THAT SHIT IN OUR GROUP
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>>157844909
In that case, I'll be posting an announcement.
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>>157844664
How lewd~
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>>157844948
Has anyone on /vanheim/ ever even mentioned this literally who tier corner of the Internet?
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>>157845270
/domg/ was literally made by people in /v/anheim back when generals were given their own board.
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>>157844452
Huh I've always enunciated it as "d'oh my god"
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>>157845594
dominions general
dom[iminions] g[eneral]
dom g
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>>157844452
what accent is that?
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>>157845652
D'oh my god
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>>157845742
Sounds Lancaster way to me
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>>157845742
Scotch
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Can someone explain to me why I got 50 different announcements and events today?
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>>157847448
Yes. Read up.
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>>157847448
Autism.
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>>157826482
The points difference between S6 and S9 is pretty huge. The S9 bless needs to be enough points to be worth the difference in many cases. Even the points difference between S8 and S9 is a bit questionable and rarely worth it.
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>>157844452
It's /domg/, not /domji/.
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>>157848380
No actual discussion now, this is autism time.
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>>157849129
Fuck off, this isn't /gsg/.
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>>157848380
You should be thinking of it as an overall package, not "it takes this many points to get X".

Most efficient chassis for wish give you a very cheap S6, this is true. However, they also give you poor options for anything that isn't more scales or a S9 bless. You can't just shove a cheap S6 for wishes on a chassis with more convenient blesses.

For example, a fairly standard god for EA T'ien Ch'i is a W9S9 carp. You could drop astral to 6 and still have wish, but that weakens your bless and leaves you with points that you don't really need and can't spend elsewhere.

There isn't really an efficient way to get wish and a bless without that bless including S9
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>>157846214

Nah. He's a southern pansy. A rural southern pansy, but a southern pansy nonetheless.
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http://vocaroo.com/i/s0pzdzcWmFZf
IS THIS THE DOMINIONS 5 SOUNDTRACK?
SHILLWINTER AGENT PLANTED DEEP WITHIN THE COMPANY REVEALS THE CORRUPT DUO ARE DECIDING TO RELEASE THEIR NEWEST SHIT GAME!
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>>157850006
How far south
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>>157850023
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s0pzdzcWmFZf
horror harmonika
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>tfw find a sight that lets you recruit MA Atlantian mother guard in cataclysm
They arent useful to Atlantis and the sure as shit arent useful to me on land. Recruitable H3 priests is alright I guess.
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>>157849967
All magic paths are an overall package. The extra paths only pay for what you get with them though, not for what you've already paid for with lower levels. S9 is popular on EA Tien Chí not just because of what the lower levels bring, but because it's actually pretty good with Wrath of the Ancestors. Those are spammable units that primarily rely on ethereality to survive, so twist fate is going to double their survival and the impact they have.
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>>157850780
>recruitable h3 priests is alright i guess

yo fuck you
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>>157760876
Since the game's over anyway, mind telling me what was the plan with that bless? I couldn't make heads or tails of it.

>>157828180
There's diplomacy in my NEETONLY AAR, but it'll be a while before we get to much of it.
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>tfw you're in potential winning position in several endgames
Maybe I shouldn't join 10+ player games, playing these turns is exhausting
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>>157850902
But they come packaged with mother guard.
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If I give a dude two soul contracts will he bring in twice the devils?
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>>157851404
AFAIK they don't stack. If you give each to a different guy it works though.
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>>157850320

Iunno. Can't place it exactly, but north of London, south of the border.
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>>157851628
Its fine to give them to your regular researchers right?
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>>157832660

Hey man, troll adventurers are no joke.

Also maybe this will dispell the meme that I'm about to win the game
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>>157851747
Sure. Better them than anyone valuable.
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>>157851871
I don't see military directly and so whilst I can see that you do have a lot of places under siege, I have to look to graphs. And from that I can see that your military is not dead. I'm not sure WHAT it's doing but you still have a considerable force and you're not a freespawn nation, so I dunno' if you're mass-summoning se'ir or some shit but you definitely have something hiding about.
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I was going to send 300 gold to help Helheim fight the red menace but then I remembered that he is the guy that never double turns so I revised my turn and canceled the gift.
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>>157852558
Send it to Niefelheim mate, I take my turns whenever I see them.
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>>157852801
Can't do that because I'm Ur opponent.
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>>157853000
Goddamn it. Well I'd rather fight you than the chinks at least.
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>>157852126
Who is eating him? Just machaka?
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>>157852558

Just came home, expect a turn soon.
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>>157853394
We expect two.
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>>157851871
>Also maybe this will dispell the meme that I'm about to win the game
No one thought you were going to win. That was literally just Nick being Nick
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>>157853143
Not answering that, sorry. That isn't the information I was paid to release. Same reason I don't use screenshots, I want to minimise the amount of information on other nations I might accidentally give away such as where their armies might be.
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>>157850905
>Since the game's over anyway, mind telling me what was the plan with that bless? I couldn't make heads or tails of it.
W9 is a morrigan bless. They're ethereal, high-def super-elves. D9 is a mistake.
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>>157853621
>They're ethereal
except not
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>>157853000
Ur a big guy
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>>157853510
I'll send you 100 gold bb
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>>157853984
For Niefelheim
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How does one design a pretender for LA Agartha?
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>>157851871
Hey, fuck Sauros cheapass ways. Who is attacking you? I'm at peace and need someone to fight, and evening out a gank appeals to me.
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>>157854962
very carefully
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>>157854962
Figure out expansion, and decide if you want a bless, an interesting late game and/or to leverage your scaling summons
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>>157853491
In the position he was in, had he been played by someone leveraging Berytos Blood Economy, he would be in a position to win.

Thankfully he decided to self eliminate by trying to play Berytos with no blood summons.
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>>157853984
frankly the whole situation is quite Bizzare
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>>157855181
Definitely not bless. I am stuck at the "chosing the body" part from manual. Should I chose one with discount?
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>>157854962
Prod/income scales, minor E bless if you want to use blindfighters, D5 and E5 for Tarts and EBDW.
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>>157855208
Nobody cares about your post hoc justification for what was obvious diplomancing. He was never in a threatening position. That he might have been if played entirely differently by a diff player is irrelevant.
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>>157853824
Oh, you're right.
20def and glamor, tho
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>>157855307
That's something you should choose after everything else.
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>>157855307
Depends on what you want. Do you want scales or magic paths? If you do want paths, what scales? If you want scales, what paths?
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>>157854191
As long as i'm sent 100 gold and the request in-game, happy to provide. Note that i'm roughly keeping to 100 gold per nation or per single request, i.e. 'tell me everything about ulm' or 'tell me where the level 3 thrones are' or whatever. I'll be trying to avoid letting any one request be too big. If it is, though, i'll let you know and you can either change the request, pay more, or get a refund.
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>>157855835
Ok. Here's a simple one:. Where does hinnom sleep at night? Asking for a friend.
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not prophetizing my castellan in vanillacat was a mistake
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>>157855701
I guess scales.
I was thinking about something among these lines: 4E/4D paths, 3 Order to spam xbows/guys with shields early on and pay upkeep for brazillian mages later on, minor sloth, since it can be compensated by +10 Resource mages, 1 Cold or neutral climate, not sure about growth/magic.
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>>157855835
but can you tell us why pretenders like Pantokrator Throne Crunch?
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>>157856268
Right, if you want 4E4D, then get a chassis that has both of those paths at 1, and highish dominion. Probably one of the titans
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>>157856259
At a guess, province 183.

>>157856294
The great taste of Ascension in every spoonful, of course.
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>>157856464
wrong, You taken Risen oracle, starts with E1D1 and immortal so you'll have a defensive caster after he wakes up if anyone tries to push your shit
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>>157856565
Is it suggested to take imprisoned pretender for scales?
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>>157856259
At the pile of gold and magical gems, with harem of blood slaves.
Nearly every province has Kohens and black hawks hunting for poor neet virgins.
I also heard that the jews are looting the temples of monkey demons in India.
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>>157855426
>3 capitals, with a 4th on the way
>as one of the premier blood powers
>never in a threatening position

what exactly *is* a threatening position then? 5 capitals owned? 6? Half the damn map?
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>>157857207
I'd probably go Dormant unless you really need the scales.
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>>157857426
A threatening position would be one where he actually had a reasonable gem and gold income. 4 capitals means shit if that's all he has.
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>>157857426

Victory.

Victory is a threatening position.
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>>157857669
Even now he has a reasonable gem and gold income, actually. He's not in the bottom half of the nations in the game which is pretty good given how things are going from my vantage point.
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And TC just sieged my capital. With 40 pd and over 20 sacred elves he lost no troops at all. I think I am done.
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>>157857669
He had the opportunity to take all of AI Mictlan and all of the Mesoamerica lands, which would have left him larger than Ulm.

Machaka was just kind enough to interrupt that from happening.
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>>157858185

I have no idea how this could happen.
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>>157858195
I'm not worried if he's larger than Ulm, I'm worried if he's larger than Hinnom.
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Would anyone care to trade 13 air gems for some nature gems? Gold or death gems would also be fine. Also if anyone would like to trade for water gems just hit me up.
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>>157858185
>>157858621
because WotFE double bless>>>>>>>>>>>>N9E4 Helhirdings by a mile
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>>157858621
Please don't take the full 24 hours to go AI.
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>>157858964

But it is autumn and they are 6 hp
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>>157859151
if you can't get past the defense check it woudn't have matter. The correct choice would have been to kill him with arrows since they have no shields
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>>157859514
What do you suggest for those of us with no bows?
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>>157859661
go ai
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>>157859661
I'd try going AI.
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>>157859661
indie archers
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>>157859794
S-stop. M-my warriors have no weaknesses!
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>>157859794
>implying I have any provinces to recruit indie archers from
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>>157859960
>inb4 Ur takes over niefel
>inb4 Ur breaks out 400 longbows
>inb4 dead chinks
>Inb4 big guy 4Ur
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>>157853621
>They're ethereal, high-def super-elves
But with only one attack. Even if you think 20 defense isn't enough, which I'm not sure I agree with, why not W6?
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>>157860275
>Even if you think 20 defense isn't enough, which I'm not sure I agree with, why not W6?
Defense benefits from more defense until you hit unreasonable levels (like 30+)
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>>157860243
>inb4 Ur stops time
>Recruits 400 archers in frozen time.
>They all fire at TC's sacreds.

そして、時は動き出す。
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>>157860792
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CamPXxfl7Lw
forgot vid
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>>157860792

弱虫弱虫 wrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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>>157825482
>>157825705
>Why is no one fighting him? Where is he anyway
Ermor is in the northwest area of the map. They have Eriu's capital, and I think they're coming for me next. Ashdod and I were fighting them, but we weren't able to do much damage and suffered heavy losses.

But it's almost Halloween. I should've expected to get spooked.
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>>157861219
I just had a rather unfortunate bump with him and also messaged Sceleria to let him know Ermor's location. Right now i'm kicking the shit out of Shinuyama for invading me so i'm kind of busy.
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>>157860275
Life drain weapons
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>>157860786
It benefits until you have twelve points more defense than your enemy's attack, but the degree to which it benefits begins sharply decreasing after six more. A few points of defense are definitely worth it against elite units, but I definitely wouldn't go beyond W6 for this alone.
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>>157861423
One life drain attack per round, though. Getting two of those every other turn is well and good, but it's a size two unit, you can get a lot of attacks per square anyway. Of course, massing them might hit a roadblock since you don't have a good mage to summon them outside of the capital, but if you plan for it it should be fine.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD36ZhpHPpE

Caveman Champion thugs strike again
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>>157860792
Well he already has at least 84 archers right now.
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>>157859661
slingers
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this is so fucking easy
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>>157865910
Just like your mom.
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The cancer has grown out of control
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>>157866518
Thanks, Okofire.
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All of this started from a failed blitz,it didn't have to end like this.
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>>157866974
It needs to end with someone who isn't an autist coming on line and banning the worst offenders, and handing out more mod privileges so we don't get this kind of bullshit again.
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>>157867076
#Modatilliata
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>only mod online is Malakal
>he chooses to ignore this
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>>157867076
>and handing out more mod privileges so we don't get this kind of bullshit again.
I agree and volunteer.
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>>157867384

okofire is malakal, didn't you know?
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>>157867384

Mods can't ban anyone.
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So, in the event Lanka decides to stale again, would it be possible to get a sub for him?
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>>157867076
The problem is that permissions are set so that literally anyone, including those not in the group, can event spam.

Kate needs to fix that shit when he gets online.
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>>157867665

What bless/position
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>>157867583
Then who can?
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>It's a Todger episode
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>>157867838
Kate, Emperor Point, and Meaglin. In light of this bullshit, I think they should promote every mod to officer and add a bunch of new mods, to be potentially made officers in the future.
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>>157868009
This.
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>>157868009
If mods can't ban, what's the point of them?
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>>157868461
GOOD

FUCKING

QUESTION
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>>157868461
They can kick people from chat. That's about it.
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>>157866518
As someone not in the group, what happened?
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For now, just mass report the accounts pulling the bullshit. 100 reports at once should trigger some review by steam
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>>157868871

Okofaggot, mostly.
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>>157868951
>100 reports
>IPs: 63
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>>157868871
>guy makes blitz
>makes three announcement instead of just one
>people start to get angry
>blitz fails
>a faggot starts spamming events and announcements
>after that people come into the chat and start spamming it
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>this guy is complaining that he was unjustly kicked from chat
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>>157867665
No clue on the bless, never seen a battle with him.
He's sort of smallish though.
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It's this okofire faggot fucking everything up, BAN HIM PLEASE.
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>>157872128
Pretty much. If he hadn't woke todger up with announcements then the group wouldnt be in literal fucking turmoil.
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>>157872128
This wouldn't have happened if people just JOINED THE GODDAMN BLITZ
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BAN HE
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>>157872192
Okofire gives 3 turmoil and 3 misfortune.
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GUYS
What if multiple mages searching a province on the same turn had a sitesearch level equal to the sum of all their shared paths?
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God damn it. I was in the middle enjoying my hiatus from the damn game when whatever pre-adolescent cumsplotch starts spamming shit.

Any new developments in the game in the last three months or so?
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>>157872953
Where you here when Ys became a thing?
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>>157867731
He is smallish, but has captured provinces from birds earlier, and most likely does have armies and mages ready for new war, as birds didin't put up much fight.

Hinnom attacked him this turn, but it is only thugs so far.

>Hinnom eats another AI/staler
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>>157873803
Remember that ulm is the real threat here.
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Which is better underwater, school of sharks or water elementals?
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If you have a master with a master matrix and a crystal shield, together with a slave with a slave matrix. will the slave get power of the spheres t0?
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>>157873221
It was a thing, but I had already been involved in a few games prior to that patch before I went on break.
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>>157874152
Water elementals. Sharks are comparatively useless, and aren't under your control, iirc.
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he he xd
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>>157850905
I was building around the Dog of the Underworld chassis, nothing more. Late game the goal was to put up a well of misery or spam skellingtons, but it ended up more useful to spam cleansing water before you killed him.
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>>157860275
W9 is absolutely the best bless for sacreds that already have good defense. No such thing as too high. The extra attacks were secondary.
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>>157874075
t. nick
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Man, these InThatCase turns are flying fast, had two turns in two hours and might have another one if Pan and Jews get to it.
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>>157874738
70 mermen are pretty much shit right?
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>>157875259
I blame Shinuyama. I offered them peace and they spat in my face so they are clearly the worst.
Other than Ermor I guess who Shinuyama is apparently working with.
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>>157875454
Eh, they might shank something to shit if they outnumber it. They're your average indie.
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>>157875560
They wouldn't stand up to 20 war shamblers a handful of lobsters and 7 krakens though right?
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>>157875734
I hope to pankoman that those krakens are from an event
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>tfw you notice Malaphas has the change shape command for the first time
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>>157875521

Yeah, I hate how people start taking long turns when they start losing. They should learn to enjoy setbacks and the struggle to deal with them.

Well, at least he's AI now so you can focus on Ermor more. I've finally found the bugger, but he's still kind of hard to reach with any real forces, but I have a plan I believe how I will reach him.
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>>157875818
Got to get something to bulk up my numbers. I dont actually have them yet, would sea serpents be better?
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>>157875521
Shinu is working for AI now.
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>>157875734
That should be enough, I'd wager. Test it if you're really unsure.
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>>157876242
I'm not too worried, I have an army what will wipe them out no problem its just some prick decided he wanted to get his feet wet just as I was about to attack Ys's capital.
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>>157873803
I haven't seen any skellingtons nor any real amount of demons/blood patrols.

It wasn't the stale that got my attention.
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>>157876046
sea serpents have fear, which is situationally useful
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Is ME a meme
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>>157877765
It's half a meme.
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>>157875818

You can get those from Summon Animals, in deep sea. You get a bunch of crap as well, but it's a lot better than the direct summon.
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Which is better bang for your buck, shades or shade beasts?
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>>157878341
Thats actually pretty useful to know. Might try that out if I get some nature guys.
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Hey so, do we still have an admin? Caelum and I guess Ragha most likely need a sub and Man could probably be set AI at this point. I hadn't even realized they were staling, looks like everyone's just ignoring them.

I really don't want to have to fight Lemuria with the power of Caelum as well, guys.
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>>157878496

I've used it as soggy pan to modest success.

You do get a lot of crap, but Oceania does not worry for supply, and it at least makes for decent fort-holders while you fuck shit up with sacreds.
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Are Agarthan Troglodytes useful for anything?
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>>157877765
It's not a Meme but it brings strong Meme potential. Honestly as many games as /domg/ has going with it, I'm sad I'm not seeing more Memes resulting from it.
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>>157880251
If Kailasa ever gets subbed, i've got a game as Abysia where i'm slowly building towards some kind of fire-based omnipotence.
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>>157880251
What does meme even fucking mean anymore?
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Maybe I should make a cata version of ME for maximum imbalance
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which pretender is bestest for Sceleria: awake expander, some sort of rainbow or imprisoned bless (prolly S major, E minor)+scales?
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>>157881413
A meme is literally just an idea that spreads virally between people. That's the definition.
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Last call for a Kailasa sub.

Alternatively, anyone volunteer for setting them AI?
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>>157883173

The meta is a meme.
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>>157883996
The idea of a meme as more than a meme is a meme.
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>>157884057
Stop memeing.
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>>157883930
Can't you set them AI through your options or are you looking to have them death basket someone first?
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>>157884329
>Can't you set them AI through your options
You cannot
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>>157884436
That's a shame.

Jump in chat, ask for me, and I'll set them to AI.
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>>157884057
>>157884115
Your mum's a meme.
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>>157870668

I'm not sure how his provinces are distributed, but I saw him stretch from southern India all the way up to nepal/chinas border.
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>>157859781
>>157859703

In that case I'll be going AI too.
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Event spam should stop now.

On the downside, you now need to ask a mod to make an event or announcement.
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>>157888141
Fags always got to ruin everything.
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>>157888141

Good.

Blitz spam was happening too often. Plan your fucking blitzes a ltitle ahead of time you mega-spergs
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Sorry for the delays, but I've been almost ded due to dental emergencies the last few days, which is getting sorted tomorrow. After that it should be smooth sailing.
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>>157880165
Excellent for stomping frontline then die horribly.
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>>157880165
Expansion.
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Post screens.
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>>157890656
Why is there an age of empires tower there?
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>>157890656
What mod is that from.
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>>157890850
>>157890853
I'm making a mod like Cataclysm but better. With upgrades and tech trees and shit.

The building is called outpost, and it shoots arrows at shit, and it has some patrol bonus (basically, it's an immobile unit), and nice protection, but it can only be build in areas without forts. When a fort is built, it gives back half of its gold cost.
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>>157890983
Neat. So by like Cataclysm you mean all human units? How do you handle the upgrades and shit?
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>>157891204
The mod is called Master of Magic, so basically you start with pumped up versions of humanoid chassis like archmage/freak lord/great sage (they have more hp, natural protection and resists, better shapeshifting forms if applicable, and innate spellcaster 2), and only human units and mages. Then you can build sites in different provinces which give you better units/mages. Later when you research stuff you can cast rituals that give you fantastic units/mages/sacreds to recruit.

Buildings are handled through #req_unit and #req_order, so you build a builder unit, move it into the province, and then command him to patrol/search etc. It makes him build a special site that gives you those bonuses. Some buildings require other buildings, and that was a pain in the ass to script, so don't even ask about the exact method. It involved something like 3 different types of event requirements.
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>>157890983
>>157891204
>>157891617
When will the alpha be ready?
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>>157893926
Well, it's playable, but it lacks most features I want to implement. Basically, you can only throw early-game troops at each other at this point, and upgrade armory/stables/wizard's tower, not that different from Cataclysm. I'm still thinking about how I'm going to implement stronger mages. Either through #xpshape or rituals/recruitment. And I want to change all poptypes/thrones to mitigate randomness concerning sacreds. I want sacreds to be a deliberate decision rather than a lucky expansion. I'm planning to finish the version with most planned features around spring maybe. Illfraud coding is hard to plan for sometimes.
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>>157855307

fullscales alchemist is a lot of fun because of how cheap it is.
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>>157882169

You need O3 + G3. You can dump sloth and cold, and go for Magic 3 since you really only have 1 mage you can ever recruit ever. Your national living units are pretty meh and you dont have any good ways to buff them/use them.

W9S9 is a fun dual bless. S9 or W9 are pretty effective as well. W9 gives you VW, and water non-sense. S9 gives you rings, etc. Earth is a great minor for your mages
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look who it is again

Game: VanillaCataclysm
Turn number 3
Next turn due: 16:34 GMT on Thursday October 20th

Barony of Black 2h file received
Bishopric of Brown 2h file received
Margraviate of Green 2h file received
Emirate of Grey 2h file received
Principality of Pink 2h file received
>Beydom of Purple Waiting for 2h file
Empire of Red 2h file received
Khanate of White 2h file received
Autocracy of Aquamarine 2h file received
Bureucracy of Beige 2h file received
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Purple, do a fucking double, you piece of shit.
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>one (1) guy asks for extension
>does turn long before it's over anyway
>two other faggots decide it's vacation time and wait until the last hour

I'm looking at you R'lyeh and Lanka.
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>>157904663
Actually, we were looking for a sub for a few days and then eventually had to set the duder AI.

Which STILL doesn't excuse the other two, but just sayin
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>>157904787
Didnt squids eat him up or something? Who would want to sub for that?
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>>157904663
>>157904787

>R'lyeh
Oh wait, that's fucking me. I, uh, may have done the wrong turn. I'll run and do mine after I eat.
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great now i get to deal with AI lanka
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>>157905968
That remains to be seen.

But uh, honestly ginnungagap Lanka, if you read the thread - do your turn. I don't wanna have to make both monkeys AI.

Although, actually, for Lanka we could probably find a sub. He's in a pretty good position and is the biggest blood power in the game.
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Therodian Thred.
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>>157908697
Pelagian Thred.
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>>157908697
>>157911612

UW skeles HARD COUNTERED
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>>157905968
>>157906056
I haven't even staled once you niggers, why is the turn timer at 24h if you flip out after 20?
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>>157912620
>24

48 hours you mean fag, if not more.
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Why are turns taking so long? We went from two turns a day to people almost staling in one turn
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>>157913225
The turn timer is at 24h. It was delayed repeatedly for whatever reason but I did my turn when I woke up and saw the turn reminder.

Why the fuck you are setting players to AI without a single stale is the better question. Kailasa sent me a message this turn, so he definitely hadn't been chainstaling, yet he was set to AI.
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>>157913390
Because Kailasa declared he could play no longer and asked for the extension exactly for the purpose of finding a sub.

Which he did not find.

What would you have the admin do now? Extend the game further? Keep him stalling?
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>>157914746
That's fine then, but stop whining. I took my turn when I saw the 12h reminder ad have yet to stale, so I don't really see the issue. If I stale a pair of times then sure, until then it's just overreacting.
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Any lewd mods?
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>>157914930
Go make one yourself moggs.
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>>157914856
Whining? You're the fag who said
>why is the turn timer at 24h if you flip out after 20?

I just brought up that you didn't wait just 20 hours, you waited 44.
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Oh, hey, I won the game. Have some graphs.
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What can MA Machaka do well?
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Apparently a ruler of a province got possessed by demons, do I send over a priest or militia?
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>>157916869
Sleep Clouds.
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Can uuh mindhunt hit my own people?
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>>157916998
Of course not, you sillyboy.
Also having a S3 guy in a province you are mindhunting to check for scouts won't trigger the "severed the cord hurrdurr feebleminded" thing.
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>>157916836
Thank you for ending the pain.
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>>157916836

Oh look another clear leader for the entire game while no one did anything, how novel.
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>>157916869
Banefire spam.
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>>157917352

That is really not a clear lead for the whole game. The last third, sure enough, but he's within a standard spread for everything except Research and Gem Income before that.
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What's generally the support a mage should provide to big summons like Tarrasque, Iron Dragon, Ancient Presence, etc. ?
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>>157917625

Biggest in provinces from the start, most forts, biggest income, massive gem income and research. If this isnt clear then what are you asking for, for the guy to be two times as big as the next one? Three times?
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>>157916836
And here's my god. Was p good, though I probably could have dropped dom9 and Magic and make him into N9E4. He'd still be okay for expansion (tested that in another game) while providing a nice bless for golems (less so for Wind Riders).

>>157917197
You're welcome! Sorry for the sudden visit!

>>157917352
Uh, maybe?

I expanded really well with my drakon and hordes of peltasts. I killed Yomi, who failed at expansion and went AI. Meanwhile, C'tis (my neighbour), Hinnom, Helheim and Lanka started some sort of anti-bat coalition and tried to kill Xib for 50 turns (yes, they failed). Found blackrose sorceress province and snowballed into high blood - at the end of the game, I had 2 ice devils, 2 arch devils, all the heliophagi and 5 out of 6 demon lords (yes, Lanka was in that game). Attacked Pangea and that was pretty much the only real war I fought - they managed to significantly slow me down with dryads. Nevertheless, I won and Pan deathbasketed me some gems (mostly nature, used later to cast Mom's Oak). After that, I elfed C'tis and sneaked/teleported some elemental royalty (had all except Aella and Antrax), demon lords, a bishop fish and my god to 2 independent lvl3 thrones in the middle of Lanka's territory, claiming them a turn after. And that's it.
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>>157918060

That's a clear lead, yeah. See: AllMAGames Abysia.
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>>157918117
Whoops, forgot image.
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>>157918117
>Meanwhile, C'tis (my neighbour), Hinnom, Helheim and Lanka started some sort of anti-bat coalition and tried to kill Xib for 50 turns (yes, they failed)

Sweet, sweet victory.
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>>157918247
>>157918117

Also, you forgot Atlantis and Ur. They had a go at me as well. Not to mention having to fight AI giants as well while fighting everyone that bordered me. Fun game.
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>>157918247
>>157918390
Oh, yeah, congrats. Pretty much everyone who fought you ended up defeated or AI, I really liked that.

Thanks for the game, everyone.
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>>157917352
I'd have done something but I had to deal with bats first since everyone had gone AI. Before I could start moving towards bats, AI Ur decided to start stabbing me from the opposite direction and generally being as annoying as possible.

>>157918117
>>157918247
I was just liberating Hinnom lands and wanted to stop there, which I did (I didn't want to walk into O1 territory if I could, Hinnom's stuff was enough for me). One by one Helheim, C'tis, and Niefel (quite sure he was in on it too at the beginning, but dunno when he went AI) started going AI. I should have nuked the path to batcap with unrest rituals and just brought in a lot of scout chaff against his assassin pretender, but every 3-4 turns there was a new army on his cap and I thought (or was told) "this time it'll work". It didn't.

I am offended that C'tis went AI without giving me back my wall shakers I had given him for batcap. It's very rude.
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>>157918492
>I am offended that C'tis went AI without giving me back my wall shakers I had given him for batcap.
Well, they had their reasons.
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>>157918060
>Biggest in provinces from the start, most forts, biggest income
Are we reading the same graphs? He got overtaken on those metrics by multiple people early on.

Around midgame he starts pulling away from the pack, but it takes some time for him to have a significant advantage over the next closest player.

>massive gem income and research.
Gem income looks like really good luck, desu. I don't see any massive jumps early on, so I'm guessing he just got lucky with sitesearching. Unless there were public graphs, not really reasonable to expect people to notice that.

Research confuses me. I'm not sure how other people did so much worse when they had similar income, so I can't really comment on whether they should have noticed his lead there.
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>>157918674
Well I had no idea. Had he told me I'd probably have helped him, maybe Ur would have too.
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>>157919773
>Gem income looks like really good luck
This, plus F2A2W2E2S9N3D2 sitesearching thanks to Arco's mages and blackrose sorceresses.

>>157919773
>Research confuses me
Just a regular Arco with Magic scales and tons of lanterns.
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>>157920130
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Oh hey, the details for the seventh /vg/ League are up. The signups open this weekend. You guys want to have another go?
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>>157921208
As long as the most work I need to do is choosing the names.
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>>157921367
As much as I'd love to have some help with the testing, yes, you can just pick names and watch the games.

Speaking of names, the current roster is at http://implyingrigged.info/wiki//domg/
I feel like potential additions would be Mage Support, Diplomonster and In That Case I'll Be Going AI Too.
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>>157921724
What about t.Malakal?
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>>157921852
I'll add that to the list, too. And if you get any other ideas, feel free to suggest them.
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>>157921724
I vote for the last two you mentioned and Illuminati.
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>>157921208
>>157921724
are you well prepared this time? I don't want to get elephant'd by /twg/ again
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>>157922472
I'm sure you'll be relieved to hear that I haven't prepared at all! Still, the league itself doesn't actually start until December, it's just the signups that open this weekend.
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I found this picture on Todger's profile. Is he actually Bane?
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>>157922871
Nobody cares about your steamshittery.
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>>157922904
I care about steamshittery.
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>>157923026
And you are a nobody.
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>>157923026
Then you should fuck off back to your /v/anheim hugbox.
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>>157923058
am i?
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>>157923087
should i?
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>>157922871
blogpost approved

-your friend in morocco
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>>157921724
Make sure Bogus gets a shot, too
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>>157921208
I don't know how, but would you be interested in better player models?

(Let's do Hydra killing bloodslaves as a goalhorn this time)
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>>157918117
I think I went AI turn 5-6?
My cap ring was elephants, shit ton of heavy cav and something takable. I lost my erf snek. After taking all taka be provs I see arco's drakon. Without my snekes I had no chance of ever expanding properly so I went AI.
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Bizarre Machaka, are you here?
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>>157925987
Yes.
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>>157926091
Please, stop pretending to be people.
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>>157926197
No.
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>>157925987
Get in steamchat.
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>>157926835
I'm in there too.
Did I get memed?
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Occurs to me to mention that since I've jumped ship after that shit show, you kind of need a new captain for the team. I abdicate to Cirno as most amusing option and I believe we already had a sub or two on the benches.
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>>157927610
What shit show?
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>>157927797
Event spam and spam in chat. Instantly going back to the cirno ancap show right afterwards made me realise that I'm really not missing anything if I just leave, either. So I did.
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>>157928229
Cirnos badgering of people in chat about Sauro and ancap has been fucking it up for a couple months now.
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>>157928861
Has he even won any serious game as Sauro yet?
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Never hire pirates.
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>>157929325
>non-wraparound
No wonder steamshitters are so retarded.
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>>157928861
I know. Just kind of hammered it home. Anyway, yeah, hopefully that solves the CC issue.
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>>157929325
How does that even happen?

Did the captain get 360noscoped?
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>>157929559
Don't spoil it, anon.
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>>157929913
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So, if I have a combination of shit mages with at best N1, F1 or D1, how would I best script them for mage support?
Vine Arrow? Bane Fire Dart?
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>>157930309
Bane Fire Dart is good. If you have F/W go for acid bolt.
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>>157930402
>If you have F/W go for acid bolt.
What if I just have F1W1?
I'm thinking Geyser.
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>>157930718
Then you can spend one gem (or get a temp gem item for 5(3) gems) for phoenix power and spam fireballs.
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>>157918179
That fucker memed on me hard in the expansion phase. Losing two expansion parties to bumps was crippling.
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>>157916836
>>157917197
>>157918117
>>157918247
>>157918390
>>157918492
>>157918674
>>157920105
>>157920130
>>157920378
>>157925960


This was my first game Adminning and I hope you guys had a good time. Sorry about the crazy amount of staling in the middle there will be starting another game soon, hopefully it won't be so rough for everyone involved.
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>>157918179
Why N2?

Just for self-buffing?
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>>157931207
points
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>>157931514
Fair enough.
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>>157921724
I support all three potential additions.
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Now that NGF is done, let's get a new game started, shall we?
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>>157916836
How does Atlantis have only 2 forts for the majority of the game? Like, c'mon man. Improve yourself.
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>>157932587
I'm a little sick of Urraparand, any map suggestions?
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I gotta say that so far I'm really impressed by the level of commitment people are giving to diplomacy in this game. Best I've seen on /domg/ by far. What was supposed to be a meme game feels like an intricate game of 5D chess with informal alliances, backstabs, disinformation, thread shilling and power shifting every turn. And it's only turn 21.
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>>157934520
>tfw machaka won't answer me
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>>157934520
all part of my plan
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>>157925987
>>157934648
I'm finally actually here, what do you want to talk about?
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>>157934468
Nothing is coming to mind, just hoping for something 10-15 player-sized.
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>>157935085
I need you to forge something for me, but would really prefer talking about it in a more discrete place, if possible.
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>play luck3
turn 46 and still no heros

>do a test game trying expansion with a misfortune2 build
hero on turn 2

AASGHGHGHGASGGHGHGASHDGHASGFHASGHGREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>157935309
Sure, but I only have const 2, so maybe talk later.
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is the game worth getting it?
i just want to play against the AI tho
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>>157935706
Just playing against AI is sort of fun, but not nearly as much fun as multiplayer.
Probably wouldn't get it just for SP.
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>>157935646
The first 10 turns of events are not effected by luck scales. This is because events trigger several turns before they happen to allow for stuff like fortune telling.

You have the same chance of getting a turn 2 hero with Misf 2 as with Luck 3.

Luck is shit.
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>>157935706
If you only want to play against AI, I'd wait for a sale at least. The game is pretty fun to play in SP especially when you're still learning, but the AI is really awful, so it won't stay fun for long. IMO it's not worth paying foll price just for SP.

If you're considering getting into multiplayer you can easily spend hundreds of hours having fun though.
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>>157935646
Test games have a hidden 10x multiplier to any amazing positive event, including finding sites. I'm completely sure of this and nothing you can say will convince me otherwise.

>>157935982
Do you have a source for that?

I'm fairly sure only a handful of events trigger early. The rest are just outright negated by fortune telling if they're harmful.

>>157935706
I personally wouldn't say it's worth it for the AI alone, but a decent number of people seem to enjoy doing just AI games.
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>>157935689
It's exactly what I need. Tell me when you are up for talking.
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>>157937053
OK, I'll get in chat.
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>>157937053
He needs skull talismans. Calling it now.
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>>157935141
>>157934468
14-18 players - Hexawyr, Riverlands
10-12 players - Snerdryn, Roaring Cave Rhinos (use one of the modded versions for fewer awkward river connections), you're random map
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>>157937540
Yo green you here?
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best looking map mods? cant find shit
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>>157937690
I'm not in cat, and if I was I certainly wouldn't pick such a putrescent color
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>>157938026
Oh sorry didnt mean to quote.
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>>157935982
Yeah, that's not true for all events, as you'll know if you ever had a game rolled back.
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>>157937771
whats this mod called?
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>>157938723
That's Valanis, but I'm fairly sure that's a default map.
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>>157938723
That's Valanis iirc.
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I coooould put together a new game, but I'm adminning 4 games right now and while it's honestly not much work at all, I don't wanna be That Guy if something comes up and I need to pawn off admin duties to people in a bunch of games at the same time.
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The dedest thred.
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>>157937540
Domg really likes Hexawyr, isn't it?
I really like it myself too
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>>157940791
It's basically the only really balanced map at that size, and domg does larger games than most.

But yes, domg likes Pymous's maps in general
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>>157940791
>>157941290
I remember a time everyone called them blindingly colorful trash.
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>>157934520
Damn, that's my favorite sort of game. Meanwhile in Latus 3 everyone I try to plot with just stales.
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>>157940791
I only like it if I can bring neutral temp scales.
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>>157938323
I'm here. I see you

Do you see the other pretender nearby? Hope you two don't collide
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>>157941824
I don't stale! But everyone I try to plot with tends to die so not much better.
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>>157941860
Why is that?
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>>157943376
Because he is a fag that likes being comfy inside of rivers and mountains.
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>>157928861
>Talk about dom4
>people get annoyed

>talk about not!dom4
>people get annoyed

There is really no winning.
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>>157943835
Saying "Hey. Play Sauro" and interjecting into other ongoing conversations about something sauro-specific only very loosely count as talking about Dom4

Write a Jotunheim guide
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>>157943835
>be Cirno
>people get annoyed
ftfy
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The Llamaserver map mod downloads are ded, how the fuck do I get them?
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>>157943376
Because I am a fag that likes comfy rivers and mountains. I'm lucky that the last game I played I took cold, because half of my cap circ was across a river.
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>>157941454
Personally, I still feel that way.
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>>157937771
Maps aren't mods.
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>>157944332
>elves appear
>bats appear
>birds appear
Rivers won't stop those, you know.
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>>157944794

Rivers don't stop skeletons either.
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>>157944794
Right... but they slow down everyone else's expansion.

I'm looking at maps on llama now, Hexrealms looks unique, and I've never played a MP game on Shadowshore.
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>>157944935
>Shadowshore
It's okay and I like how the map looks on its own, but I really dislike how it looks with units and flags on it.
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So, I found a great modnation I want to try.
Any modnations games soon?
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>>157945415
No. One just started and they take a while to set up and fill.
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>>157945415
Post mod.
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Assuming Summod, which underwater nations are good and which aren't? I want to try one eventually, but I'd like to avoid anything particularly weak.
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So, does anyone know what Caelum is doing? My scouts show they're huge (although not necessarily greater than Arco) but how huge and are they fighting someone or just mopping up AIs in the fog of war?

Arco seems to be similar (with even spottier coverage) and Helheim, Kailasa and Abysia also seem sizeable although not huge. Arco at least seems occupied with Helheim but I don't know what birds might try next.
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>>157945948
Depends on the age, but in general Atlantis and Rlyeh are ok, while Oceania is still garbage. I haven't played Pelegia, but I heard MA Pelegia is decent now. Ys is great on land, but not as strong under water.
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>>157946059

8 thrones? How many thrones are there in the damn game? Usually 8 is enough to win.
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>>157946412
Looking at thrones, they're not at risk of winning any time soon at least.
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>>157944007
My only charge is liking a nation too much.

I'll start the Jotun guide once I'm done the sauro guide.
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>>157945948
>>157946112
EA R'lyeh with summod is similar to MA Pelagia in that it kicks other UW nations' asses. While it's better at fighting on land than it used to be, it's still much stronger on maps that have a larger water presence and other UW rivals to beat up.

EA Pelagia doesn't look that great, but they got 75g for 11 rp researchers and amphibious lineholders in coastal forts in the UW patch. They don't have MA Pelagia's knights for winning the war for the seas nor their Mystics for fighting on land, so they're on the lower end.

Both Oceanias are pretty garbage. MA Oceania has one very solid infantry unit, EA Oceania has nothing, but summod doesn't really help them much other than making 50% of sirens A2 on land. I don't think anyone's actually played them in a real game, though, so it's hard to tell how much of a buff that is and if they can be played as an air nation with a booster pretender.

Thed is good in summod.

EA Atlantis is fully amphibious and a great buff nation. MA Atlantis is weird in that they have their best lab rats on the coast (where they will probably be fighting) and their big battle mages underwater (where they theoretically should be safe to recruit). MA Atlantis also has bad units, but their mages should be able to be leveraged for cool stuff.

MA R'lyeh is great when Pelagia isn't around to kick them out of the seas Year 1. LA R'lyeh has the same strong astral toolkit and cool national spells on top of that, but genuinely suffers from its popkill.
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>>157946771
>23 points
Enjoy Oeridia v2.0
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>>157946771
I need that mod.
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>>157942630
Didnt see him, lets try and avoid fighting at this point anyway.
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>>157946059
>Arco at least seems occupied with Helheim

If by occupied with Helheim you mean trading the same 4 provinces over and over in a game of cat and mouse while occasionally killing some jarls with mindhunt, yeah sure he's occupied.

Don't sleep too well at night, what me and Arco are doing is just lightly bumping into each other, I'm pretty sure he's moving across dozen bats and flying ponies into other provinces this very moment.

Also Abysia is expanding aggressively into me from the other side after eating up most of AI Ctis so you can take away my "big guy" badge.
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>>157948797
What's in that zotz prov bro?
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>>157948841
Me and Abysia are having a good time. Mainly because Pan ate me then realised that skelespam beats maenads, basically.
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>GrandestMemery
>half the nations are AI already

This is gonna be a bad one. Why do faggots feel like sub-optimal expansion is reason enough to go AI?
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>>157949454
I will never stop reposting this.
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>>157949195
Fucking nothing that I can see.
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>>157949831
Ermor was so OP that the game got domkilled.
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>>157949454
15 turns of admin staling in a row is a good reason to go AI.
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Welp this is it. I either fight my way out now or my fuckers will desert since I cant pay their wages.
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>>157950251
Now that you've posted, you're going to lose. This is the way things work.
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>>157950251

You're done and so is Helheim.
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>>157950550
>JoJo themed game
>declaring someone is finished

I can only see this going one way frankly.
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>>157950518
Considering I have zero provinces left this is not news to me.
>>157950550
It has certainly been an experience.
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>>157950643
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>>157949454
Where are all those AIs? I've got four neighbours and they are all human.
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>>157949942
How much you want for it?
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>>157950893
What you got?
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>>157948671
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fgmubm91575nk79/thrones.rar?dl=1
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>>157948841
Well, thanks for the update, maybe Abysia is in a better position than I thought and maybe Arco is preparing to do something else sneaky. However, I'm pretty sure the #1 and #2 biggest players are Arco and Caelum even if Abysia was catching up and I'd still like to know what's up with Caelum because I haven't got a clue about what they are doing.
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>>157951337
Caelum ate Agartha and apparently had short slap fights with Pelagia and Arco.
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>>157951039
I got earth and Nat gems

If you want gold im spending a ton so it'll have to wait
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>>157952367
I'll take either really.
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>>157950251
>>157950840
The giant as flown the coup, commence operation
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>>157949454
Honestly, I've been considering going AI too. I feel everyone should just go AI, that we should call what will be a boring as shit game.

Which is a shame, cause I got heroic toughness Kin-Breaker too.
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>>157952556
I'll give you a little of both when I'm ready to take it
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>>157953390
Cool.
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>>157953296
That's what you get for playing on Oeridia. What did you expect?
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>>157953513
Eh, I wanted to get some cave memes in.

We should host an Oeridia game with a natgen giving us like 100 nations to fill the map up. If I join, hopefully I'll die around the midgame after I've had some fun but before the cancer begins.
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>>157953296
>>157953698
>join Oeridia game
>go AI because it's slow
>everyone else goes AI because others went AI making it even slower

>hey guys lets host a natgen on it!

We wouldn't get enough players, and half of them would go AI anyway if we got them. If some admin feels like a masochist he could do it but I doubt it.
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>>157953698
Literally every IP which has posted on this thread would have to join to make that game work.
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>>157953698
>we should nost a natgen game on oeridia

today I will remind them
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>>157953698
You need 52 land players and 8 UW players for a generous 20 provs/player.I'm not sure we have enough players.

And would be a horrible slog.
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>>157954007
Not to mention vetting so many nations would be a nightmare.
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>no pirate links so I can try before I buy
kill me
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>>157954141
I don't think you vet with that amount. Generate like 500 and let people pick.
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>>157954557

It goes on 75% discount fairly regularly.
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>>157954557
No real point. If you play it in SP it's unlikely you'll think you should buy. I got around 1k hours in it and if I had tried before I bought in SP, I'd not have bought it.

There are older versions out there however, which work fine if you wanna try it.
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>>157954782
Yeah, I think singleplayer Dominions 3 or the older pirates will work fine to test the game. Is it in the pastebin?
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>>157954780
Is there a non steam option? By non steam I mean one that I don't need to use steam, not one where I buy a key and then I need to use steam.
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>>157954707
How about we generate that amount, put them up, then play a 25-30 player game on Latus instead?
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>>157954884

You don't need Steam open to launch the game, even if you get it through Steam.
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>>157954912
That seems reasonable.

However I dislike big games and will likely not be joining. They take forever to actually win, and the lategame is horrendously tedious.
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>>157954867
Used to be, not sure if there is now, I'm sure someone has a link anyway.
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>>157954884
Dominions doesn't have Steamworks DRM. However, I'm pretty sure Gamersgate also has direct download option (instead of just offering a Steam key).
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>>157954976
That isn't what I asked, I asked if there's an option where I don't need to use steam at all.
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People going AI are ruining the goddamn game, any big games are almost impossible to play. It didn't use to be this bad a pair of years ago, what happened?

Almost makes me want to only play with Steam thread applications instead of anonymity, and I fucking hate that.
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>>157955161

No idea. But you don't need to use Steam to play, if you can put up with having it installed for twenty minutes in order to purchase and download the game.

You can then copy the game folder to your desktop or whatever and uninstall Steam. Works fine. Although patching may be a concern.

In which case you have weird requirements.
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>>157953854
Maybe don't join games if you're going to be a huge faggot?

The general you, it applies to everyone reading this.
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>>157918016

Not summoning them and using those gems anywhere else.

but if you need to: body ethereal, flight, relief, regeneration would all be useful.
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>>157949454
Well it didn't help that the badmin had nations staling from like turn 4. I had to email llama to fix that.My expansion phase is winding down. But once a war starts I feel like I'm going to need much much longer turns. Should we hold an ingame vote on mercy killing this game?
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Just curious, is Antiquis Kailasa around?

Or does anyone even know who they even are?
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>>157955262
Really big games (Latus/Oeridia) are actually fairly new. Like, they just didn't happen 2+ years ago. People going AI has always happened, so IDK what you're referring to with that. Non-anonymous games/communities tended to have fewer stalers / AIs but that's still the case.
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Hey Arco,
guess what?
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>>157958424
http://universe-on-fire.corgiorgy.com/
It's time again.
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>>157958805
>>157958424
Does casting that not fuck with your own spell casting abilities?
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>>157959135
Not if you're using nothing but blood spells and only forging blood items.
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>>157959282
Reminder that blood stones and robes of the magi aren't safe, only PURE blood items.

But yeah, AC is great and it should always be casted by every blood nation, since it punishes really hard nations that didn't transition into blood by not letting them do anything.
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>>157959445
You need the right paths though, easier said than done.
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>>157959620
Empower then. Or get the demon lord with BS crosspath.

But yeah, it's a game winning spell, it shouldn't be easy to cast.

You could always run B9S9
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>>157959750
>have S9
>shroud your mages
>immune to mind hunt
>immune to seeking arrow
>high MR out of combat too
Best out-of-combat bless, desu.
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>>157959445
Is it X% per gem spent?
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EA Ermor needs sub in Dom 4 mod forums.
"Public" diplomacy, turn 56.

He is in good position, ate Niefelheim together with Lanka, is taking almost free elf provinces as elfs were beaten by Fomoria, and started war with Sauromania to defend their monkey boyfriend.
Also has atleast W9 bless if I remember right.
http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=3059&st=75
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>>157960760
Can you post a map pic?
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>>157960760
Every time someone says "good position," their position is actually shit.
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>>157960760
>player trades skull of fire, 2 sets of earth boots, and 40 E gems for 80 blood slaves

WEW
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>>157961141
kek KEK

Really? 60 gems worth and 2 mage turns for only 80 slaves.
Who did it?
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>>157961469
70 gems and 3 mage turns, lad. It's in the thread that was linked.
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>>157961469
Actually it was 70 gems and 3 mage turns, both the items boosters and F1D1 being a not-so-common crosspath.
Just lel.
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>>157961598
>>157961595
>>157961469
>>157961141
>>157960760

>Experience level - moderate at least >Experience level - moderate at least >Experience level - moderate at least
>EXPERIENCE
>AT LEAST
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>>157961754
I'll bring you this meme directly from /lolg/
>implying anyone with less than 10 wins even knows how to play
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>>157962092
>10 wins
Isn't that still, like, level 3 in lol?
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>>157961754
>tiredofshadow and raxnor
>moderate at least

So who *wouldn't* qualify for "moderate at least"? Maybe Okofire I guess?
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>>157962153
Malakal is literally the only player with more than 10 wins.
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>>157962521
I haven't even finished a game against the AI and I have over 100 hours in the game.
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>>157962153
There is this lol meme, where everybody started ironically thinking that any player below diamond 1 didn't even know how to play the game, implying that 99% of the player base was bad.

Then something went wrong and some people started to believe it unironically, so it became a meme.
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>>157962153
Yeah, well, I translated it to dominions term.
The lolg meme is this one: >>157962713
>implying anyone below Diamond 1 even knows how to play the game
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>>157962860
In the case of dominions though its probably true. I have a hard time believing more than 10% of the players really knows how to play more than one or two nations.
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>>157963198
I have a hard time believing most people know how to play any nation.
The problem in most large memegames isn't even the AIs desu - because the type of people to AI don't know shit anyway, and do crap like dom4 T'ien Chi or rainbow Niefelheim, and get obliterated by the 2-3 actual good players.

Maybe more newbie games need to be hosted, but I also have to wonder about people who just never learn.
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>>157963198
>mfw my only two wins were as the same nation in suspiciously similar circumstances
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>>157963198
>implying there's nation-specific knowledge
Good players don't play the same nation twice.
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>>157963672
t. Someone with no wins.
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I like this meme of no one knowing how to play the game.
The meme has been officially added to our rooster.
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>>157963991
I think Malakal and Sy both genuinely try to avoid playing the same nation multiple times in PBEMs
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>>157964169
What a cock-up.
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>>157964239
Do you want to have my cock up into your butt?
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>>157964360
Yes please.
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>>157964221
Unless they lose with that nation.

I beat Malakal when he played Yomi the first time, then he went on to play Yomi again in Sansmemes.

My bet is Malakal will only repeat a nation in either disciples, or if he lost on it.
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>>157964565
Makes sense to me still
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Which LA Pythium cult in summod is strongest?
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>playing against a friend who is Agartha
>he's got his golem crafters casting summon earthpower and spamming magma eruption
>summon 5 spring hawks, commanded by a N1D1 indie with a staff of skulls to chaff up some undead
>he wipes his entire army out
>15 golem crafters and 50 pale one soldiers gone in like 5 turns
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>>157966790
Aren't spring hawks only ethereal?
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>>157967015
and flying, so they went straight to the rear. The ethereality was enough to keep them around while the mages did their thing. I lost 4 of them by the time they routed, but it was worth it
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Is there any interest in an intermediate level game? I want to try my hand at hosting.

I was thinking this map, as I've never seen it and I'm tired of RealmofX and Hexawyr, et al.
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>>157967173
>intermediate level game
Doesn't exist.
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>>157967236
Because players hop from noob to expert? Or do you mean there aren't enough players in the middle to fill a game?
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>>157964565

I also played MA Mictlan like three times.

I usually repeat a nation if I either like it or its disciples, other than that I want to try all the interesting nations.
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Would it be possible to sell people SCs? Send them in with orders to just hold hold hold hold hold, stay behind troops, have the dude you're selling it to cast mind enslave or whatever?
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How do you counter Olms as EA Abysia? I had good results with fireball spam and that is going to be my plan again but this time he has nearly as many olms as I have soldiers.
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>>157967585
I mean it doesn't exist. There's really no good way to quantify player skill by experience. Some people are better after two games than other people are after having played since Dom3's beta.

It makes sense to say that a game is intended to be a newb game ahead of time, since if it's your first game or if you know that you're still awful after having been smashed in two or three it makes sense for you to play out a bit longer against other opponents. It also can make sense to say that a game is for dedicated players only or whatever since people will then self-select and go into the game expecting to put forth some effort. "Intermediate" just doesn't mean anything, since anyone that can fit into it is either modest and going to smash or bad.
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>>157967864
Fire elementals are mindless.

If he has as many olms as you have soldiers, his army is MUCH more expensive than yours, not counting mage support, so you should expect to need to spend gems or use more wizardry to win.
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>>157964565
No, Malakal has played multiple games with ma abysia.
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>>157964553
Forgot my name
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>>157968081
Its still early days yet so I dont have access to fire elementals. I already wrecked one army from him and since this one has his pretender in it I think he'll be crippled if I beat him. This time I have less soldiers but twice the mages. The thing that is really worrying me is fucking sauromatia attacking me from the other side.
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>>157968590
Hol' up. Is this single player?
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>>157968782
No. Are you in the game? You better not be sauromatia
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Which mod is it on llama that's thrones.dm? I can't seem to find it.
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Any disciples games recruiting? It would be nice to have some actual allies for once rather than dudes who you plan to betray.
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What money/resource/supply multiples and magic site frequency do you guys use?
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>>157969779
disciples more often than not turn into dudes you wish you could betray.
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>>157970362

Standard, usually. Or MAXIMEME. But usually standard.
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So why exactly are Fall Bears good? Is it because they're ethereal and cheap or what?
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>>157972878
Because Maerlande said so.
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>>157972878
That and they're relatively meaty while being ethereal.
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>>157973242
And Kithaironic Lions? It's one per summon, but they're pretty easy to mass summon for certain nations and are pretty survivable
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>>157972878
They've got a ton of hp, are ethereal, are one per square, take buffs well, and regenerate. This makes them nice line holders and evo bait.
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What's a good nation to start learning how to use mages?
I was playing around with Atlantis and apart from building temples everywhere, casting Bless to get dank regeneration on holy troops and forging those Raise Skeletons items to give to commanders so they don't just sit in the back row doing nothing, I didn't see any use for the basic land mages. The sea mages spammed Voice of Tiamat when I hit Conjuration lv5 and that's about all I got out of them either. The two turn recruitment land mage has a lot more spellcasting options but he tires out in a few rounds. For most of the game I just had my mages sitting around in forts doing research while I massed armies and then rolled over the AI, which worked well enough, but I know I'm doing it wrong and would be shrekt if I tried this against humans.
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How do I counter massed archers if I don't have A?
Outshoot them with mage support (Bladewind and the like)?
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>>157973871
EA Abysia is good for evocations since their guys are immune to most of their own spells.
>>157974039
Lots of dudes with armour and shields?
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Is there any point to casting Liquid Body after casting Temper Flesh?
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>>157974148
Probably. It's a general question, as I just notice that I usually take a few too many losses against massed archers.

Let's say I'm playing someone like Agartha, or that I've already invested in guys with no shield and no armour. What then?
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>>157974039
Arrow lures
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>>157974331
No idea, I normally play dudes who dont have to worry about archers for one reason or another.
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>>157975087
Do its attacks do anything?
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>>157974148
Thanks, I'll check them out.
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>>157975596
Salt Elementals are not known for inflicting anything other than keks on their opponents.
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>>157975667
MA Abysia is also pretty much the same but with more blood and less fire if that floats your boat.
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Game: VanillaCataclysm
Turn number 5
Next turn due: 16:40 GMT on Friday October 21st

Barony of Black 2h file received
Bishopric of Brown 2h file received
Margraviate of Green 2h file received
Emirate of Grey 2h file received
Principality of Pink 2h file received
Beydom of Purple 2h file received
Empire of Red 2h file received
>Khanate of White Waiting for 2h file
Autocracy of Aquamarine 2h file received
>Bureucracy of Beige Waiting for 2h file
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>>157973871
Thunderstrike nations with good troops are, imo, the easiest to learn. So:
EA/MA Vanheim
LA Midgard
EA TNN
EA Fomoria
EA/MA Caelum

etc
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>>157977217
Fomoria
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Antiquis Kailasa, are you around? Would love to talk.
Silence typically gets you killed with games that involve diplomonsters, because you can't defend yourself. Just trying to help a monkey out here.
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>>157977567
Is that a fucking threat, you two faced cunt?
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>>157973871
Air evocations - EA Vanheim, EA Tir na nog, Caelum
Communions - EA Marverni, EA Sauromatia, MA Pythium
Blood - EA Mictlan, EA Xibalba
Skelespam - Sauromatia, Ctis, MA Ermor
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Hey Arco, can you do me a favor and kill those indies on my fort?
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>tfw Khanate of White is holding up the whole show
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>>157977953
>new player
>recommending blood

If you are going to rec blood to new players, my advise is soul contract spam, because that's the easiest blood shit to learn there is.
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>>157977731
>Is that a fucking threat

more like a simple matter of fact. It's easier to set up trade deals, alliances, etc with people who are easily contactable.

iirc, pretty much all the main powers left in Antiquis talk amongst themselves quite often.
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>>157978892
You may consider our nations at war.
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>>157978956
In that case, I'll be going AI as well.
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>>157978956
Are you also not in the game anymore? Because 2 people warring against each other in a game neither of them are in sounds memey.
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>>157978562
Hey, a man's gotta sleep. I just did a double turn so stop complaining.
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I just watched elves elf half a guy's territory out from under him. What rituals allow me to avoid the same fate? Can I randomly toss stuff like flames from afar into my own provinces to check for infiltration?
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>>157979674
Mind hunts ignore Stealth.
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>>157979674
Build fort on chokepoint
Patrol & high PD on choke point

If the elf cloud trapeezes, you're fucked. Going to need your own thugs/SC to counter their elfing.
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>>157785427
Who else here is rocking a Vine Man Spam strategy?

I have over 5000 Vine men in my capital right now. Games pretty much over once I get bored.
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>>157980271
Which mage do you use to command them

Lack of magical leadership in most nations I play is the reason why I get turned off from utilizing vinemen.
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>>157980271
What do you do if someone firestorms them?
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red why are you still there this is the expansion phase

im sending payment/moving troops the turn after this one
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>>157980413
I spam more vinemen.
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>>157980657
I already him searching before I talked to you and forgot to change it. He is sneaking out this turn dont worry. No pd either.
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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=CanIntoHost

This is a game aimed at intermemediate players. Intermemediate, as you might guess, means players in the goldimeme zone, not too great, but certainly not noobs. If you have won at least one pbem, but haven't won more than 3, you're the right fit for this game.

The help reduce stalling, the game requires a steam sign-up. You don't need approval before sending a pretender to llama, but if you don't post in this thread claiming your nation, your pretender will be removed. Otherwise, the rules are normal, starting with a 24h turn and increasing as needed.

Steam sign-up here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussion
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>>157980824
np just dont cum in my cap ring
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>>157785427
DOMINIONS 5 WHEN????
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>>157980884
I did pretty good in a blitz once does that count?
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>>157981170
Have you won any? Winning blitzes could be counted as a substitute for a pbem win.
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>>157981476
Everyone quit before it finished.
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>>157980884
Where is the sign-up?
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>>157981569
>>157980884

REAL steam sign up here.

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/1/340412122407955023/
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>>157980996
When the last frogposter dies.
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>>157980884
Should I set up an Expert game then? Only players with 6+ wins in PBEMs with 6+ players allowed to join?
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>>157981789
>illwinter is a frogposter
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>>157982094
yes
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>>157982094
Is there even 6 people playing the game with 6+ wins?
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>>157982094
Well, there's sure to be good players outside of /domg/ and you may have a hard time getting all those veterans to join. Maybe if you cross-posted your game to other players and had each community send its best as a team, you might garner more interest.
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>>157973871
Tunkaliks actually have more uses than you'd think. Frighten and Dust to Dust at Thaum 1 give them options against both living and undead units. The same Conj 5 that gives Voice of Tiamat gives them Ghost Grip, which is a bit awkward to research but incredibly strong when massed. Alt 6 gives Frozen Heart, which lets them take down thugs and SCs that haven't been geared against frost (which honestly won't be too many against Atlantis, but the important thing is that it's in the same tier as Darkness.) 10 or 12 Tungaliks spamming Ghost Grip can fatigue out a pretty large number of elite troops.

Forgiving Fathers are harder to use, but only because they have more options available to them and need to be scripted carefully for the situation. Generally, you set them up in communions to cast a particular spell, using the ones with the wrong randoms as slaves. Against armored or cold-resist troops use F masters for Acid Rain, otherwise use W masters for huge Falling Frosts. Make sure to sitesearch manually with E randoms as soon as you get them, because you want E gems and pearls for forging. Keep at least one each of S and E randoms home to forge, but otherwise you want to march the Fathers to your front lines and use them in battle - they are not efficient researchers.

Angakoks are scarce, so you mostly want them to lead armies and cast battlefield enchants. Stygian Rains is practically made for Atlantis, because all your good troops have magic weapons that ignore it on the enemy. Grip of Winter is so strong that you won't want to fight without it once you have it. Darkness almost always hurts the enemy more than it hurts you, although you should double-check that and remember you need to give a D3 Angakok a Skull Staff to cast it. Wailing Winds is also good, but like Darkness it needs a Skull Staff on the right random. Remember to keep a few in labs within ritual range of wherever you're fighting so you can drop Wolven Winter in warm provinces.
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>>157982197
Think so. Malakal, Nicknight, Sy, Sum1won, Zramble, HegemonyMcKnickles, Vavagrey, Massque.
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>>157982274
Like community clash, but with the catch of actually happening?
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>>157983046
>Like community clash
That's the joke.
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>>157785427
>Reddit vs. 4chan Dominions Baby Cup When?
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>>157982413
You missed Rejakor. And by my count, Sy has only won 5 games.
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>>157983252
I've won 7
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>>157983252
Rejakor has won 5 games, and recorded one win in a game he went ai, because he was ahead when he went ai.
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Is there any way for Atlantis to make an ancient kraken into an assassin?
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>>157983806
Yes. Trade for a black heart
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>>157983828
He could heal any affliction he could possibly get from that right?
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>>157983950
No, the chest wound can't be healed while you have the heart.
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>>157983950
No. As long as the heart stays in, he has a chest wound.
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>>157984039
>>157984042
Whats chest wound do again?
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>>157984116
+5 enc -1 str
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>>157984160
Thats not so bad. Especially if he is in his own dominion.
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>>157983310
The sheet only shows 5. Where are these other games from?
>>157983418
So who actually won that game then? I'll assume there was a different actual winner in the case he went AI.
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>>157984923
Nobody. After the biggest player went ai so did everyone else.
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>>157985190
>Nobody
That sounds like a concession that he won it. The fact that no one ever bothered altering the data legitimizes it too.
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>>157984923
>The sheet only shows 5. Where are these other games from?
BadIdea and ScrubGenX weren't posted because one was this tri-era game thing and ScrubGenX was NatGen, so neither contribute to nation data
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>>157985425
No, it means the game was irretrievably fucked up and nobody thought it was worth playing.
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>>157985425
Forgot my name.
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>>157985425
When we first went through this, I altered the data to say that he quit while in the lead, and the game ended afterwards without a winner.
>Rejakor was leading the game, but had stopped playing when it ended.
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Don't forget to join CanIntoHost if you can into.

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=CanIntoHost

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/1/340412122407955023/
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>>157988417
What proof do we have that you CAN into host? How do we know you're not going to be a stalemin?
>>
Is there a way to find a list of potential transformation forms for various terrain types?
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>>157988816
Search "Transformation" under properties in the mod inspector.

If it has a x-survival, it can be summoned only in terrains x (eg - great eagles are mountain only, great hawks are mountain or forest)
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>>157989018
>X-survival
Does that mean that certain terrains are more likely to give better results?
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>>157989747
Yes
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Game name: GinnungagapREBIRTH
Turn number: 53

Who's sent their turn in:
Lanka 2h file received
Abysia 2h file received
R'lyeh 2h file received
Arcoscephale 2h file received
C'tis 2h file received
Hinnom Waiting for 2h file
Niefelheim 2h file received
Fomoria 2h file received
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>>157991838
Should I extend, domg?
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So /domg/, what Pretender is the best for SCing.
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>>157993902
Colossal Fetish
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Fomoria, what am I supposed to make of this? Some sort of land-lubber joke that fish don't get?
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>>157994492
Share the joke.
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>>157994898
He took one of my land provinces with this handsome fellow. Given the size of our border and the fact that he hasn't elfd me, it's really hard to take this as a declaration of war.
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>>157994492
>>157995018
It means he wants to fight a defensive war against you(gets to decide where the battles happen and first turn cast).

.t someone who did the same.
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>>157995524
No, like, if he did that to all of my provinces that makes sense. Given that both of us have as many magic phase duders as we want, it doesn't make sense to attack only 1 province if he wants a fight, since it means I can attack, like, 20 of his back.
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>"Honey what's that racket outside?"
>"Oh demons broke out from hell"
>"Again?"

Fucking hell. It's the second time THIS YEAR alone.
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>>157995715
What's funny is that the other war in hell technically never faded. We have two active wars in hell spilling over into our world.
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>>157995617
You have two options: respond or don't. If you don't respond then you'll either avoid a war with him or see a bunch of your provinces get attacked next turn. If you attack now then you might get the jump on him or at least blunt some of his big strike. Thus, out of those two options, a massive retaliatory strike is your best bet for survival because you have too much to lose by not acting.

Good luck!
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>>157996302
Well I was hoping he'd come up in the thread like "Hey, sorry, I just have a clinical incapability of using the in game message system" or somesuch. I'd rather not start a foreverwar over what could just be a misunderstanding.

Plus, teleporting that many dudes is expensive.
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>>157996458
Then I would recommend preparing your forces for the inevitable. When he strikes, you'll be ready.
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White snek, I'm taking 2 this turn because it's in my cap circle. No step on men please.
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>>157996458
You can break him now or play catch up forever.

Strike him down with everything you have.
>>
If I have tons of D2 mages, but not Horde of Skeletons, should I do an inferior skellespam or spam Bolt of Unlife?
>>
its okay pink we'll all wait on you
>>
>>157996926
Almost certainly skeletons.

Bolt of unlife is shit.
>>
>>157997885
Is spamming skeletons really the best I can do with D2?
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>>157998012
No, but if you want to evospam go with Shadowblast.
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>>157998012
I don't know, what's your research and what are you facing?

Between the two choices you gave me: inferior skellyspam (which I assume is Raise Skeletons) and bolt of unlife, I'd definitely choose the skeletons.
>>
Ermor 2h file received
Ashdod Waiting for 2h file
Nazca 2h file received
Pangaea 2h file received
Sceleria 2h file received
Ulm 2h file received
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Anyone have the "She's trying to get me back for last night's revenge - I'll get her first" picture?
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>>157999223
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>>157999223
I don't have the picture, but I've got this.
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VanillaCataclysm Pink, do your fucking turn.

If you don't do a double after that expect annexation.
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>>157999896
Just as good, thanks
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>>157998012
First you research Ench 5 for skelespam, then you usually research Evo 5 for shadowblast. And Alt 8 gives you disintegrate too, but that's late-game.
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>>157999950
Dude's probably just sleeping or something. Just play something else while you're waiting, like me. I wish /cbg/ wasn't dead, I've been on a big city-building bender this week.
>>
What's up with Kichikuo Domg? Despite 48h timer (and 5h extension by the looks of it), 4 players still haven't done their turns and the game has been delayed by further 24h.
>>
>>158000226
pls respond >>157996740
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>>157998761
I'm facing mostly heavy infantry and archers. The most relevant research I have is probably Enchantment 4 and Evocation 4.
I'm MA C'tis.
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If I want to wish R'lyeh's pretender to death, do I just wish for "kill R'lyeh Pretender"?
>>
>>158000284
>be MA C'tis
>not immediately taking Ench all the way to 5
Why even bother?
>>
>>158000284
>Ench 4 + Evo 4
With those RP you could have Ench 5 and horde of skeletons.
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>>158000543
Because I have no idea what I'm doing.
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>>158000540
Look up the name in the "pretenders of the world" screen, then wish it to death by name.
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>>158000623
Good luck, my pretender is named Ctrl+~
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>>158000281
>>157996740
Oh sorry, I didn't notice that before. I'll go check on my turn and change things if need be. Unless Pink decides that now is the best time to send in his turn, I guess.
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>>158000726
Okay yeah, everything's fine, snek wasn't going in that direction anyway.
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>>158000284
It'd be best to sit and research until ench5 or evo5 for better spells, if that's an option. As for spells you can cast right now, Raise Skeletons is definitely the best choice there.
>>
New thread when?
>>
So, let's suppose I have alt 20% site. It means I'm essentially going to get 150 gems of every type except pearls for 55 pearls, right?
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>>158001665
Uhh, hypothetically. Not like I have one in one of my games or anything...
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>>158001665
explain your math
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>>158002000
Wishing for gems gives you 25 gems of every type including pearls. It's 25 gems of 7 types, so 175 gems in total. Wish costs 100 pearls, but with alt 20% site it costs 80. Then you just subtract 25 gems from both sides of the equation and you get 150 gems for 55 pearls.
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>>158001363
When you make it.
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>>158002096
That looks right to me.
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>>157988417
Calling dibs on Machaka.

Will post on steam later when I get back to my pc.
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Szumogliika get in Steam chat.
>>
>>158004035

I'm there.
>>
What can I wish for if I want faster research?
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>>158004809
If you have wish you don't need more research.
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>>158004545
Give signs of life, anon. Secrecy is important.
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>>157984293

>+5 enc
>not so bad

Maybe. ON AN ENC 0 UNDEAD.
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>>158004035
We're doing this then eh? Mathosia could you get into Steam chat?
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>>158005360

I'm there.
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new bread pls
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>>158005524
Bake your own bread, peasant.
>>
I got a magical being, mindless commander and in his description it says "will cease to function if left without magical leadership".

Does that mean what I think it means or is the game scare-mongering me?
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>>158005674
It's irrelevant for commanders. Only mindless units will disappear if you leave them without magical leadership.
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>>158004809
>>158004923
Basically this, but if for some bizarre reason you'd still want more research on other paths, I suppose you could wish for gems and construct skull mentors/lightless lanterns/owl quills. Much more efficient than wishing for any research mages.
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>>158005827
Hypothetically, you could wish for Neteret of Many names and get +2 research bonus to all mages in a province. She does that even without gift of reason.
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New thread:
>>158006417
>>158006417
>>158006417
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>>158006972
>>158006972
>>158006972
TRUE THREAD
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