/dsg/ Demon's/Dark Souls General

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Second part soon.

Still playing Dark Souls 3?

>shortest game in the series
>bonfires out the ass
>filled to the brim with shitty references
>On-disc cut content that will be sold as DLC
>no dynamic lighting system when even basic indie games have them
>No optimization
>rehashed areas
>rehashed NPCs
>rehashed animations
>teleporting dogs
>invading sucks
>Heavy armors sucks
>armor sets don't fit properly
>brown and grey
>shit AI
>Armor variety is less than DS2 BASE game, despite copypasting a 3rd of the armors from previous games
>Magic needs 2-3 ring slots just to dish out melee level damage
>Magic itself does reduced damage for PvP
>awful scaling balance
>FP is the most awful casting management system introduced yet (worse than DeS mana, which had better regen options and more efficient)
>FP horribly ineffiecent with damage, ends up causing everyone to use 1 or 2 FP efficient spell like Great Heavy Soul Arrow
>Miracles awful, best and most viable one locked behind the final boss
>bland NG+
>awful covenants
>no blue eye orb
>blue sentinels and darkmoons the exact same
>left hand weapons no longer have full movesets
>dual wield weapons are gimmicks
>Straight Swords and Curved Sword are as fast as daggers
>Great Weapons are slower than previous games, and costs more stamina, while barely doing more damage
>1-2 Weapons ALWAYS the best in class, no redeeming qualitys for special weapons resulting in less weapon variety than BB
>very little moveset variation
>existence of Carthus Rouge
>WA are mostly shit or copypasted powerstance moves
>no tech
>No animation canceling
>No backstep i-frame
>rolls have too much i-frames and cost too little stamina
>bloodborne enemies catered to R1 spam from ss and cs
>hexes gone and dark magic is shit
>shittiest dragon form
>no dragon covenant
>refined/hollow completely dominates
>pyromancy is the quality of casters
>19 bosses, a good chunk being gimmicks
>linear level design, less branching options than DeS, DS2, and even BB
>the DLC will be trash

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Starting it off with my own theory

>>157034107

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Gonna dump this comic of a deprived chick killing a giant crystal lizard cause I'm bored.

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>>157034235
>osierus is sperging out making crying baby noises and squishing sounds

>>157034216
I like you better than the other guy, at least you don't destroy the thread with /b/ teir pasta.

>>157034185
Yeah, you need some constructive criticism here.

I'm bored, going to line-by-line this shit.

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>>157034339
better take a quick sip-

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>>157034378
I've never written a lewd before. I'm down.

>>157034235
Sounds good, but the timeline doesn't really work out.

If Yorshka was around to see Gwyndolin, then she was around before Sulyvahn started his coup, and before Aldrich linked the flame. That means she was around before Gwynevere had any kids with Oceiros at all.

Also, Ocelotte seems to be a baby, while Yorshka is at least a young teenager

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Post underrated weapons

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>>157034447

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Post weapons rated exactly as low as they should be

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Posting again for the new thread, didn't realize it was so close to bump limit

I'll reply to this with my bloodborne one too for any interested in that

>>157034481

Black Knight Sword.

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Faraam helm and Morne's gauntlets go quite well with Alva's set, I feel. What do you guys think

>>157034621
Alva's unreasonably bulky shoulders make Faraam head look tiny.

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>>157034574

>>157034457
>If Yorshka was around to see Gwyndolin
She talks about him by name, though?

>That means she was around before Gwynevere had any kids with Oceiros at all
I don't think they had kids together, Gwynevere and Seath had Priscilla (assumed). I don't know who Ocelotte's mother is supposed to be.

Yorshka also explicitly says that the Pontiff locked her up there.

>>157034556
>even naked character always has a nice white shirt
>ok but make sure to ignore that for the comic because DUDE GAZONGAS LMAO

So whats the easiest upgrade path in DS2 for PVE? Elemental or stat focused?

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>>157034659

How's this (Standard build type)

>>157034739
Sorry for being unclear - what I meant was:

If Yorshka was Ocelotte, then she'd have to have been born after Lothric and Lorian, as Ocelotte was Oceiros' final child.

Given that Lothric and Lorian were slated to become Lords of Cinder after Aldrich, they were probably born after he linked the fire and it began to fade again.

Then, Yorshka, who knew Gwyndolin and thus existed before Aldrich ate him, probably predates Lothric and Lorian, let alone Ocelotte.

So Yorshka =/=Ocelotte, at least in my view

>>157034621
>tfw they ruined alva armor in DaS3

>>157034574
Roll

>>157034871
A lot better
Personally I think Alva and Faraam just look bad in general in 3 even though they were great in 2

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>>157034556

>>157034769
>being gay
you can't one shot stagger with the starting club either friend

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>>157034216
>Heavy armor sucks
It really does. Havel's armor barely absorbs more damage than the knight set.

>>157034769
I think it's been done pretty tastefully, and honestly the undershirt looks kind of silly.
I'm sure they'll find something to cover themselves soon enough although probably not that soon considering the pace it's been going at.

>>157035001
DS3 naked clothes are /fa/ as FUCK

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>>157034965

>>157034965
>>157034556
>>157034447
>>157034339
>>157035126
God bless you anon, and bless this artist for drawing good effects

>>157034574
Man I hope the DLC's adds some new covenants

Bloodborne's did, and Dark Souls 2 "kind of" did with the loyce knight soul farming. Essentially the Loyce Knight covenant without being an official one.

I hope we get a Velka covenant in DLC where we invade hollows or something

>>157034574
rolling

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Fine day to you m'lord

>well, what is it replaced by welcome
I guess I can take it, even if there's no immediate insulting undertones and spamming it over a corpse is less effective
>no 'get rekt scrub' gestures at all, no look skyward or no way, nothing
Alright FUCK you FROMSOFT, Applause doesn't count

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>>157035126
and that's it.

Wonder if the crystal lizard had any good memories. Probably about waddling around eating souls, and that one time it got its knee cap caved in.

>>157034968
source?

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Is something horrible around this corner? I'm out of estus...should I go back and use my souls first?

>>157035554
use humans to heal dingus, you've got 11 full heals right there

>>157035438
i've seen more, she walks to wear you find the ashen estus and there's a guy standing there

>>157035554
Around that corner:

1. room with a titanite demon that WILL kick your teeth in
2. Unlockable shortcut that contains the full Silver Knight Set, but on the other hand it also contains two pissed as FUCK silver knights
3. A path to the main hall with TWO (2) giants, a silver knight archer, and for online play the most common invader spawn
4. A hidden surprise with the eye orb from Anastascia if you have it

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>>157035201
Seems like it'd be a no brainer, what with sin already being a thing in the game but not actually doing jack shit.

>>157034574
Rolling.

>>157035526
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQq-BGGtVB4

>>157034107
It's been said a few times, but ocelotte is referred to as a male, yorshka seems female. Although with gwyndolin as her oniichan, it could be moon magic

>>157035201
Pretty sure there's gonna be an arena based PVP covenant, unless they're really that fucking lazy and just going "oh look, people who own the DLC can summon here instead of Pontiffs!"

Personally I'm hoping for a surprise and they add the Champions Covenant tablet at Iudex Gundyr just to bolster the replay value.

Is the guy shrinking/enlarging the weapon models still around? I'm curious about something, you said some swords are in 2 pieces is that true for some of the katanas? O&U in particular have this weird model seam on them if you look at certain angles.

>>157035749
thanks

>>157035701
Yeah...got the shortcut to the bonfire open and then got immediately invaded....

>>157034890
But Aldrich ate Gwyndolin after he reawakened

>>157035701
One is pissed, the other is pretty chill

>>157036280
Did he? Fair enough then, although Ocelotte seems to still be a baby regardless.
>>157034968
That was pretty great, m8

>>157035962
>zullie
>guy
>>157036567
You seem to be forgetting the twins are old as fuck. We know originally it was a baby but it was cut and oceiros us clearly deranged

>>157036480
Which silver knight is real chill mad then

I think it's the chest one, the one on the stairs always seems to be on your case the second you enter from either side

>>157036769
>zullie
>guy
>implying it matters at all in this context

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>>157037234

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>the true reward

>>157037395

hey it's archers guy. gj on o&s

>>157037318
I like Havel

He wasn't a super special person, he just had an unending autistic hatred for mages and for dragons so he carved his armor out of rock and wielded a dragon tooth to counter act both

>>157036769
How old are the princes? I didn't think they were very old

>>157037474
Thank you but I didn't really do much, I just kinda wanted to stay out of the way so I wouldn't block you guys and just heal you mostly, it took me like 4 hours to get through Anor Londo and to the boss so I didn't wanna do something needlessly stupid to make it go fubar

On a bleed build do I want to infuse with the blood gem or just use carthus rouge?

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>>157037395
tiddies
>>157037598
Check their faces, there's an NPC and boss uncovered face vid on YouTube. Their whole story is fujobait so everyone draws them like bishounen fucbois but they're actually really old and butt ugly

>>157037669

go refined or hollow, bleed infusion sucks complete cocks

>>157037692
So they could be ~70, but are they old by the standards of everything else in the setting?

>>157037757
The point is they are old enough for ocellote to make sense to be around yorshka's apparent age.

>>157037726
What's the advantage of going refined compared to no infusion? Isn't the stat investment higher?

>>157034185
>>157034453
Here's the first half.

http://pastebin.com/Qq7zx3JE

Overall it's not terrible, just a little purple in places. Your biggest issue seems to be self-editing - there's a lot of unnecessary words and phrases. I know it's hard butchering your work and cutting stuff, but you need to learn to be ruthless with yourself. This isn't high-school English and there's no word count you need to hit. 600 lean good words is better than 1000 bloated average ones.

I'm not going to say anything about the second half yet (after she blacks out in the clocktower) - your homework is now to read what I've said, go over the second half and start cutting and editing it yourself. Post back when it's done, I guarantee it'll be much better - i'll take another look through it then.

Also, I hope i'm not coming across as to harsh - I'm certainly critical in what I've written, but I don't hate it or anything. It is tough putting your work out to the world, props to you for doing it.

>>157037839
That's the thing though - if Aldrich ate Gwyndolin before he linked the fire, then they're absolutely too young.

If Aldrich ate Gwyndolin after reawakening, then they might be, but you still run into the problem of hearing Ocelotte as a baby, and seeing Yorshka as a teen.

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>>157038007
I don't mind anon. I just write in an almost exaggerated style in order to achieve a sense of extreme detail to satisfy my need for the lack of it most of the time.

It's a meme fic anyway, but I'm enjoying writing the second part right now. I've never really written a moderately long story before.

I DIED TO FUCKNG VANGUARD

AS A FUCKING TEMPLE KNIGHT

FUCKING FUCK

HE HAD 5% HEALTH AND I SPAMMED R2 AND THOUGHT IT WILL DEAL ENOUGH DAMAGE

FUCKFUCKFCUK

>>157038515
delete the save file

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Rate my Abyss Watchers cosplay.

>>157038556
conehead/3

>>157038556
Abyss Watchers/Artorias

>>157034890
I think Shanalotte was the mother of Ocelotte.
>Oceiros+Shanalotte : Ocelotte
>Emerald Herald says she was 'born of Dragons' so she would make an ideal mother for Ocelotte.

>>157038556
abyss/wachers

Which is cooler, casting Carthus Flame Arc or using Charcoal Pine Resin?

>>157038721
Damn that's like really good
>>157038762
Fuck you dickhead
>>157038842
Thanks man you're a pretty good guy.

>>157038828
Keep in mind that Shanalotte is artificial as fuck. Seems like Oceiros took more notes from "the first scholar" than big papi Seath.

My personal head canon is that Shanalotte ain't the momma, but did nab him from Oceiros.
The baby crying we hear is actually just an overpowered version of Yearn, meant to keep Oceiros off their trail.

>Creates a warm soul-like orb that serves as a decoy and lures foes toward itself
>People regret loss, and yearn for what they do not have. Perhaps the name of this sorcery harkens to this irony

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>>157037480
He wasn't alonne though, the description of his chestpiece in DaS1 mentions "havel's warriors". Twice. I have no idea where "Havel was just 1 person" meme and people shitting on DaS2/3 for having multiple havels came from.

>>157039102
>Havel + Havel knights were the Souls world's /pol/

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>>157038556
Rate my Aldritch faithful cosplay

>>157038828
>>157039050
Have we ever established who was Lothric's mentor though? The 2 common theories seem to be that it was either Aldia himself or Pontiff FuckShitUp.

>>157039102
Something regarding the weapon. Havel's armor and gshield were mass produced, the dragon tooth was not. Could be bullshit though

>>157039149
I really dislike how that shield looks. So thick.

>>157039102
I never said that

I just said that he made the rock armor and pulled a tooth out because he really genuinely hated dragons and mages

Besides, 2's havel is just another soldier and 3's could also be another soldier despite the present possibility of being Havel O.G.

>>157039149
Not bad, but the sword looks a little thin. Cathedral Knight GS instead perhaps.

>>157039254
I really dislike how we don't get to fight a Pursuer in this game.

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Does anyone know what breaking this chain does?

>>157039262
>inb4 there's a Havel boss in second DLC

>>157039375
>dark anor londo
fucking dumb dumb

Lets you pick up one of the variants of magic weapon on the ground floor of that hall

>>157039375
look down, nigga
also why'd you attack the waifu

>>157039375
Makes a mess of the cathedral and gives you a buff. I wonder if you can kill people by dropping it on them

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>>157039417
>>157039417
>also why'd you attack the waifu
>fucking dumb dumb
Dumb trapfags.

>>157039348
It would be REALLY funny if they put a pursuer corpse somewhere.

>>157039537
>gwynevere
>trap
Classic sillyman

>>157039585
Oh no, he was right. I was talking about waifu(male)

>>157039417
Idk I thought that's what I was supposed to do?

>>157039431
I dunno!

>>157039613
But you don't darken anal rodeo by killling moon princess(male)

>>157039710
Maybe he meant the moon princess(male(female))

>>157039556
There'd be no reason for one to exist in DaS3. Beyond that, they never left corpses in DaS2 (though as a counter-point, Silver Knights didn't leave corpses in DaS1 either).

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This boss is just too strong for me...I die in one hit...where should I go to power up and come back later?

>>157040478
BOB AND WEAVE
BOB AND WEAVE

it's an easy boss senpai

So aren't sun and moon both illusions in DS? And why does the moon remain in DkS1 and 3 when Gwyndolin is ded?

>>157040478
Take advantage of your surroundings

>>157040535
I'm just no good at it, I've been at it for like 2 hours I think, I hate the run back only to die ine 3 seconds, I'm getting really frustrated and there's plenty more I can do instead and just come back later

>>157040609
He shoots through the walls...

HOWV DOD YOU FUCKING SKIP VALLEY OF DEFILEMENT

I JUST WANT TO BEAT THE BOSS

I DON'T WANT TO DO EVERYTHING LE NICEAND SLOOOOOOWIOW BOPORORORTOROROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORIIINNNNNNNNNG


>advance in level
>get killed by their fucking random shit attack
>want to rather rush
>everything blocking off my path

Who designed this shit level and the fucking meme town in 5-2?

>>157040597
Not illusions. It's magic.

>>157040478
Use poison arrows

>>157040662
even at endgame level if he pegs you with his muti arrow attack you're fucked

i frame the big blue ball, the pillars can block the multi ball

>>157040698
Same shit

>>157040662
That attack easily be rolled or even strafed

>>157040775
Illusions can't hurt you and magic can.

>>157040806

O&S could hurt you and so could the silver knights

I haven't been around for awhile and I think I missed a patch. I'm assuming 40 VIG is still the minimum right?

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>you will never slather yourself in oil and wrestle naked with gwyndolin
>you will never "apologise" as you "accidentally" insert yourself into "her" body

Life is pain

>>157041005
GOOD
fucking fag

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>>157041092
It's not gay since he's basically a girl you dumb dumb.

>>157040860
True. My post was dumb.

Sun and moon aren't really illusions like they are fake or something, they're kept in their form through power of the souls or whatever. They might be exactly the same as our sun and our moon from real life. Moon wouldn't go away because it's a rock in the sky, like you can see from archdragon keep but if there was no power left it wouldn't shine like it does in Irithyll. it does only shine in a crescent moon way. maybe cause gwyndolin is being absorbed. That's my take on it.

>>157041005
I prefer the part where this literal tranny got his dick bitten off by a blob monster and raped mercilessly.

>>157040676

get good shitter

just sprint across the mire and hug the shack fence until there's an opening. then just take the rickety bridge up and over

>going through DS1
>understanding that bridge drake was actually protecting the statue of Firstborn
Miyazaki defined his role even back in DS1, huh?

>>157041551
stfu retard

people like you brag all the time and then get wrecked by the fucking dogs in das3 lmao

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>>157040721
>>157040783
I'm just going to come back later, I'm sick of doing it over and over and making no progress

I got my weapon though, took me like 5 tries of sprinting through the catacombs :>

Is there a good place in the first game to frm souls? I kinda wanna upgrade my gear, and I need to find a better bow and start thinking about what armor I'm going to upgrade to max

>They didn't carry over the scythe critical animations from 2, it's the complete bullshit from 1 again
Miyazaki fucking hates this series. It went on too long

>>157041969
if you didn't make it dark you could have farmed the two royal sentinels before o/s
like 10k per run plus chunks

>>157042159
Well it's too late for that, I thought I was supposed too but then I found out you can get to the boss without doing it...oh well...

SEATH THE SCALELESS?? MORE LIKE SEATH THE POWERLESS LMAO

holy fuck, thi guy went down like a bitch, just like nito... i've literally random mobs who were more of a challege than those two """""""""""""""""lords"""""""""""""""""""""""""

Is DS2: Scholar of the first sin worth a buy on PC? Currently it's $14 on steam with the sale.

>>157042557
Yes. The DLC is fantastic and the PvP is the best in any Souls game. PvE isn't too great, but it's good enough. Definitely worth the 14 bucks.

>>157042557
yeah, because it comes with all the dlc which is great

i spend more money on dinner

>>157042557
I unironically spend like 20 bucks every day on lunch.

I never understand how people think games are expensive compared to the use you get out of them.

>>157042831
Who spends 20 bucks on lunch? Do you eat at restaurants every day?

>>157042384
>no scales
>no legs
Bitttttch

>>157042831

I spend 1€ on a cheeseburger each day

>>157042908
I usually hit up the sushi train and eat like 4 plates for 4 bucks each and then a drink

>>157034216
well, I sure won't be buying DS3 now.

>>157042557
Do you want the slowest and clunkiest souls game that doesn't even feel like a souls game for the most part? It's literally DS1 underwater in terms of speed and with broken deadzone to boot.

>>157042831
Seems like a lot of money to spend on lunch.

How much do you make a day?

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magic

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>>157043272
The thing i really loved Brew for is that it explodes mid-air and has a lingering hitbox which makes it awesome for catching people with unlocked aiming or simply punishing them for careless backdashes
Shame there's no fireball type like this in ds3

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>>157035438
>>157035126
>>157034965
>>157034556
>>157034447
>muscle woman
yes, this pleases me, more pls.

>>157043558
>this is a fist weapon in BB

wew

>>157044082
Bone Fist fags can brag about their weapon as much as they want but all the best fist weapons were in BB.

>>157043968
https://tapastic.com/episode/419171
Heres the author page with the full comics

>>157044253
I don't know if I like this or not.

I mean the art is obviosly good but I'm not sure if I like this exaggeration and overseriousness of everything. It feels kinda cringy.

But hey, the art is really good.

>>157041129

>that bulge

>>157044082
No anon
Fist weapon is steak tenderizer, that one is tentaclerape weapon

>>157042950
>le fat american face

>>157044330
I personally like it.
The author is doing a good work with is art and the use of expression to tell the story
It's also a good idea to show the memory through souls
I don't see how it is overserious, it's very similar to the atmosphere of the game

>>157044253
>https://tapastic.com/episode/419171
I dig it also feel bad that i can't draw anymore

>>157044340
>Implying it aint a puffy vulva with a puffy clit

>>157044709
I don't know man, maybe it's me who is broken.
Like, really, was that lizard so hard? I remember killing it without taking a hit on my first playthrough, and I also went with Deprived. Or the hollows, they basically stay there asking you to smash their faces in one hit.

>>157044813
>was that lizard so hard?
It's because you've been playing for so long that any shit from throws at you seems trivial unless it's a gimmick boss.

What was the best katana behind chaos in DS1? Were the iaito's fun moves viable at all?

>>157044985

Uchigatana or Washing Pole.

>>157044813
Well yeah, but it still hits like a truck at that level.

>playing souls games for their graphics

i wanted to punch my friend for not playing dark souls 1 because the graphics werent good

>>157045165
I actually like the old look of DS1. Gives me that "playing D&D in your basement" feeling.

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>>157045165

His loss desu. The art style really compensates for the average technical side of the graphics.

>>157045165
DaS2's graphics aren't good.
DaS1 looks technically dated, but it's still pleasing to the eye if you can get past that.

>>157044941
That's not true at all. I struggled a lot in my first DaS3 run in some parts, it took me over 40 tries to beat Pontiff (after I started counting, I had already died a few times). I remember thinking I would never be able to beat NK, so hard I thought he was (then I tried fighting unlocked). The Dancer grab killed me so many times I started taking a picture every time I got one shot by it.

But you don't even need to talk about bosses: The Crabs; That one goat guy, you know which one; Frost Knights; Trying to melee the giant worm; Tsorig; Sully Dogs; Irythill human skull infinite stunlock dogs; etc

Anyway, I can recognize a few instances where the difficulty spikes, but that lizard? Really? That weakass retarded enemy that has enourmous tells in all his attacks and you can literally beat his shit with starting equipment?

>>157041614
Holy shit

Cum.

>>157041614
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>157045316 Also forgot three difficult spikes that really stand out in a first playthrough. I forgot them probably because they are super easy for me now.

First is Irythill. Spinning knights with unending combos that rape you into oblivion and witches ganking you with hollows shitting fire everywhere.
Second is the Dungeon. You can easily get lost there and capping your max HP is frightening.
Third is upper Lothric Castle, specifically the part between the Dancer and the first castle bonfire. Those Lothric Knights absolutely destroy you if you didn't got gud at fighting them. I think most people felt pushed back real hard at that part.

>>157044813
Don't think with the logic of the game itself and your own experience but more with the logic of progression in a story
It wouldnt be interesting to see the story about her breezing through every encounter and not seeing her overcoming the trials. I mean would like more a story of a flipping havelmom oneshoting every mobs?

>>157045316
>>157045663
I don't mean to be rude, but....have you considered you just might not be very good at the game? Pontiff isn't easy, but 40+ tries isn't normal.

>>157045316
There are two of those rapeface goats, and most people don't deny him being annoying.

If you actually read through it, it looked like the character just took some damage beforehand and forgot to heal, which is pretty understandable. What I find more strange is that they looked like they took more punishment the second time around, but hung on through the force of sheer anime willpower since the author had no better means of explaining how they were able to stagger and riposte on a hugeass lizard.

>>157045774
Not him, but it seems normal if you are using a slow weapon and no shields.

Unless I'm shit too.

>>157045853
But I play that way too - you just need to be ok at rolling

>>157045774
His point was that you can struggle with the game and find the aforementioned lizard easy nonetheless.

>>157040676
All caps is the cruise control for cool but you still have to steer.

>>157045774
It was my first playthrough, I was underleveled, using a Great Mace and no shield.

Of course I can kill him with anything easily now, but back then I remember I struggled. Also that besides the point.

>>157045843
>how they were able to stagger and riposte on a hugeass lizard

It probably staggers in 4 club hits. I mean, it staggers every 2 L1 from the dual sellswords.

>>157044813
>souls vet has no trouble with early game enemies

No surprise there, but the story is supposed to be from the perspective of a blank slate, they haven't got literal years of experience, christ they forgot their weapon the first time, they clearly weren't prepared for what the world had to throw at them.
And there's the intimidation factor that really doesn't hit when you're playing a videogame, the lizard is like four times as big as the character, for a player it's just "oh, he's a big guy, haha I wonder if getting caught was part of his plan" but taking something that size in a fight would really shake you the first few times, Gundyr will probably get a bunch of attention too despite not being much of a challenge for hardened warriors that don't blink at fighting 30 foot giants with a toothpick and three coconut halves.

>>157046258
I don't remember saying I was a souls vet.

>>157046258
Dude I let my girlfriend who never played a souls game try it and she killed that lizard just mashing r1 and backing away when he attacked. She didn't even roll. That enemy is easy for anyone.

>>157045165
I like the look of des1 the most, bb and des3 look pretty muddy at times and its much easier to miss things. On my first play through of des1 I only missed 1 thing that being the 2 invisible walls in that giant tree, bb and des3 i missed a lot more stuff.

YOUR TRUE COLORS ARE _________________

>>157044253
My dick. My heart.

>>157044253
makes the protagonist some stupid waifu lmao

>>157046547

grossly incandescent

>>157034715
I've actually never seen this one before. Roll

>>157046678
My waifu killed everything in ng+7 without taking damage and has over 3 THOUSAND confirmed pvp kills.

>>157044253
I still prefered christ-chan comics.

>>157044253
>she didn't teleport to the lizard's and git clipped through the ground while riposting

I've never actually seen that riposte but I did it countless times

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>>157046745
>christ-chan comics.
Chris chan now cosplays your favorite Souls waifu. How fucked up are you?

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>Drang Hammers
>L2 is slow as fuck
>no HA
>all attacks wiffs most of time because fuck you
Any ways to kill ganks fast except Sellsword, low lvl 60int, 66str and tumblebuffing?

>>157047220
>daughter of crystal christ-chan

fund it

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>>157044082
I'd call that a natural weapon more than a fist weapon. It'd be like a dragon attacking by biting or tail slaps.

Dragon claw weapon in DLC? pls miyazaki

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>>157047271
>66str
>killing anything

>>157047341
>Dragon claw weapon in DLC? pls miyazaki
No. 15 rehashed quality shit

>>157047434
>15
Where does this number come from anyway? Memeazaki actually said it?

>>157047402
You 2HKO anything.

>>157047493
He sure did.

http://www.polygon.com/2016/9/21/12999624/dark-souls-3-ashes-of-ariandel-dlc-preview-hands-on-everything-we-know

15's actually a pretty big number.

>>157047493
Yes

>>157047341
>Twinkling Dragon Claw
>Scales off of int
>Transforming with twinkling dragon stones turns you into a crystal dragon now

I just want to be Seath god damn it.

>>157047434
>rehashed
pretty sure we never saw a javelin in series

>>157047539
>>157047575
Neat. Seems like a pretty good number.

>>157047626
Gimmick. Another useless WA. 100%.
Like everything in DS3 even after thousand patches

>>157047628
Highest per any individual DLC in series and almost as much as in sunken + iron king combined

>>157047515
If you hit anything. Instead you try to attack, the other guy can reacting roll your attack because of the slow startup, and then they gank you to death with darkswords while you are on your recovery frames which have no HA.

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>>157047341
>tfw constantly picturing a dick photoshopped in place of the Estus flask

Need head
but
if only I had some friends...

>>157047686
>rehashed
>but it's actually not rehashed
>D-DOESN'T MATTER! DS3 IS SHIT LALALA
crawl back to /v/, shitstain

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>>157047583
>implying it won't be str/dex or pure str
>when the twinkling stones are int/fth

>>157047626
Spear moveset with throwable WA where you can recover the javelin somehow. Hardly something to be hyped about. Probably works the same as lightning spear.

What are the summon ranges for the Red Sign Soapstone?

>>157047793
>Spear moveset
We don't actually know that as enemies using it had a new moveset.

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>>157047783
Hold up, that makes sense.

Dragon form gets a Str/Dex weapon and a sick moveset to be like beast mode.

Then they add pus of man in the next DLC with Int/Fth scaling and a gross moveset like kin mode.

It'd be like how the BB DLC was originally going to be before they combined it into one big DLC.

>>157045774
Sully was really difficult for me as well first time around, but I was also using a UGS.

Considering that he has attacks timed specifically to catch spammed rolls also makes him much harder, especially when you're low on health and keep getting smacked down every time you get up, panic starts to set in, you mash harder, get punished etc. etc. etc.

I'm also just bad

>>157047872
Right. 15 days until I have a giggle.

>>157047793
What if it hits through rolls?

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>>157047757
>h-he's from /v/
???
Compared to BB, most DS3 weapons are trash. Especially their copypasted useless WA
>faith weapons without scaling
>fixed in patch after 3-4 mounths
>E scaling
>int weapon that shooting magic moon beams
>fixed in patch after 3-4 mounths
>shit scaling
>all CGS have SAME moveset

>>157047997
I can predict the future and that won't be the case. Also it sounds dumb and I don't see a reason for them to make it like that.

>>157034574
This is better, rolling

>>157047928
>sick moveset to be like beast mode.
Friendly reminder that beast embrace claws are shit compared to non-werewolf mode.

>>157048060
They're strictly better for PvE due to the range, higher damage, and faster beasthood buildup. They're also strictly better for PvP because they're actually viable if you play them defensively unlike vanilla claws which aren't viable for anything.

>>157047793
>Probably works the same as lightning spear.
I have same feeling

>>157048053
>Compared to BB
Why the fuck would you compare a souls game to a completely unrelated and done with entirely different design philosophy in mind, i don't know. Please just fuck off to a place that might actually get triggered by such a worthless bait.

>>157048059
>knight
>great hammer and no shield
>aldritch faithful with dried finger

Did I just roll my first playthrough, but with dried finger so I can see all the twinks?

>>157048053
>guy just spams the pizzacutter dash attack
I'm glad that kind of autism made it to BB too.

>>157048116
>They're also strictly better for PvP because they're actually viable if you play them defensively unlike vanilla claws which aren't viable for anything.
How so if they're legit slower? And why'd you play defensively if the weapon's gimmick is stacking more F R E E damage?

>>157048116
>They're also strictly better for PvP because they're actually viable if you play them defensively unlike vanilla claws which aren't viable for anything.
I have bad news for you but Beast Embrace claws completly useless in PVP.

>>157045165
DaS1 looks pretty good though, and I'd outright consider it impressive for the year when it was released

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>>157047928
>SATURATED mode
I'VE BEEN DREAMING OF THIS SINCE THE EARLY SCREENSHOTS
PLEASE FROM
I BEG YOU
And bring back goo sacrifices too.

>>157048173
Let's compare DS3 weapons to DS2 or DS1? :^

>>157043272
>dark orb
>ultra great combustion
>lightning firesnake
>baby pursuers
>fire orb
>1 unique spell which is wog+soulmass
Groundbreaking
>>157044783
And "puffy" wrinkly hairy balls dangling underneath
>>157047583
Oceiros, your family is in a shambles. Fuck off to fix it.
>>157047783
>seath
>aka paledrake
>aka bitch
>being str

>>157048304
>new, interesting idea
>better fucking cut it, references: the game can't have original things

>>157048308
Go on, because base DS3 has the best and most diverse weapons among all base souls games.

>>157048338
>>157048304
>you will never choose where to put bonfires

>>157048365
What about CGS with same movesets?

>>157048053
>Compared to BB, most DS3 weapons are trash
No shit, BB is just DaS that kept only the 1-2 weapons per class that were actually good. Except Tonitrus/Boom Hammer.

When you compare DaS3's good weapons against all of BB's weapons, you see that DaS3's outnumbers them. Especially the ones with cool weapon arts, like Tinder's Punitive Flame or Lothric's Sword and its fuck estus beam.

>>157048304
they updated that effect since zullie made the webm, so it's gonna happen. maybe not for this dlc, but might be the next one.

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>>157048370
>“This exile was chased from his homeland, and haunted by a black sun”
>“To honour and shadowy retreats. Fear the sun’s tempations, and the winged executioner”
>this was never expanded upon or even explained
>just cut from the game, like the rest of epitaphs
hold me, /dsg/

>>157034574
rolling

>>157048370
Good. It would gamebreaking or completely useless and I'm glad they removed it.
>>157048475
>they updated the effect
Sauce/webm/link?
>>157048515
Reminder that /dsg/ predicted invading golds

>>157048421
Oh yes, a weapon category that always had the worst moveset diversity in all base souls games and one weapon that is blatantly better than all other ones? What about it?

>>157048214
>>157048217
You don't chimp out in pvp because players can dodge out of attack spam or just shoot you, and the naturally short range of claws with either moveset makes aggressive play too risky. They're the shortest fucking weapon in the game, even BoM has range on you. Not to mention, the defense drop just means you die faster.

Embraced claws have step-in range for spacing, the roar that staggers long enough to let you follow with an R1, R2s that track really well and can catch people out of quicksteps, and the hyperarmor rape charge that blows through pretty much anything for 800 damage. It has all the tools it needs.

>>157048580
sunwraiths are literally the dumbest fucking idea fromsoft has ever implemented

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>>157034235
>Well, I will not give him up, for he is all that I have.

Three options here:
>Yorshka is actually male
>Oceiros forgot the gender of his child
>Yorshka is not Ocelotte

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>https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/129978621/#129982175
>tfw no demon of feces bossfight
Damn, pre-release /dsg/ threads sure were comfy, but why did we have to overhype the game so much.

>>157048475
Well, BB has 28 main weapons and only three of them are not very good choice for pvp. Dildo, Beast Embrace and fists with flat runes.
But in DS3 there so many weapons and most of them are awful. You can literally remove them from game.

>>157048553
>assassin
>clubs
>medium shield
>SKULL+CALAMITY

Oh boy, sounds like a good time to try the blacksmith hammer.

>Sodden Knight already rapes my asshole
S&S confirmed for hardest souls

>>157048580
>gamebreaking
if they execute it poorly and without limits
>useless
Not at all. They could put one bonfire at the start of the area and let you choose where to put another, instead of having the shitty bonfire layout we have now. They could have some special locations for the bonfires even.

>>157048731
No, you're just a scrub.

>>157048627
>he doesn't want to jolly coop with other reds
It's not dumb, just poorly implemented
>>157048675
It's moon magic, I ain't got to explain shit
>>157048680
>the pleasure of being cummed inside

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>>157034235
>those flowers on pontiff's crown
JUST LIKE IN THE ASTRAL CLOCKTOWER
WAKE UP YOUNG HOLLOW
WAKE UP

>>157048801
Obviously, I just started playing

>>157048680
>Firstborn of Embers
>actually happened

>>157048618
DS1/DS2 GS movesets
vs
DS3
?

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you guys got a link ro that spread sheet with sliders?

my old char is on it and i'd like to re-use her

i assume it was removed from OP because it wasn't being used

>>157048731
He's one of the hardest bosses because of how under equipped you are for him.

Also if you want to have fun, use Greataxes/Greathammers. They are actually good, satisfying and powerful in S&S.

>>157048724
And DaS3 has more than 30 viable pvp weapons, and that's ignoring the ones that are better for pve or just useful as strap-ons like OWCS or Morion. All in all, build variety in DaS3 may be down the shitter but weapon and playstyle variety are higher than Bloodborne.

Dark Souls design philosophy isn't "this is how hunters fight, so fuck you". It's "you can use a ladle if you want to, you fucking lunatic". The game ain't better for having a pile of trash weapons with a handful of really good ones on top, but it isn't worse either because the trash weapons are literally a non-factor. They don't affect the game one way or the other.

>>157048810
Sunfags are cooperators who definitely want to linkt the fire. Invading is anything but cooperation and might result in somebody failing on their mission to link the fire. It doesn't fit them even slightly. It just makes DaS3's absolutely consequenceless covenant system even worse. There's no way they could not implement it poorly.

>>157048973
They're in the DaS3 Pastebin.

>Join Blue Sentinels
>Wear ring for fun
>Who cares? Not like I'll ever be summoned because this covvie is ded lol
>10 mins later get summoned
>Oh
>Arrive in Huntsman Copse
>See host battling invader in the distance
>Fuck will I make it in time?
>No I won't
>Because this invader is shit
>Host kills the invader just as I arrive
>As soon as I gesture I am given a free token and sent home

Ironically, the invader's name was Top Kek.

When fighting bosses i keep forgetting when war cry is up and doing charged r2s, got me killed at least 3 times because the animation takes years

>>157049029
No, it doesn't fit your headcanon of what sunbros should be. Firstborn was always a god of war, and a traitor to the flame. Dragons have nothing at all to do with the age of fire, mate.

>>157049029
They're a warrior sect of sunfags who worship Nameless instead, it was mentioned in the interviews, IIRC.
What's so surprising about that, though? Lots of time has passed, so it makes sense that not only Way of White got corrupted/has changed their ways.

>>157048920
base ds1: one generic moveset with one variation among all cgs
base ds2: one generic moveset with two variations moves among all cgs
base ds3: one generic moveset with four variations among all cgs thanks to WA and their followups
No matter how much your autistic hate for DS3 blinds you, it doesn't change the fact that base DS3 has the best moveset variety among all base souls games.

>>157049029
Sunfags worship nk, not gwyn.

>>157049167
Except all Dark Souls 1 weapons had an unique R2.

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>>157049219
>all Dark Souls 1 weapons had an unique R2.

>>157049008
>but weapon and playstyle variety are higher than Bloodborne.
You can be turtle in BB too.

Where can I find the CE resources to increase my character size to fight Yhorm at giant size myself?

>>157048843
>the deep is clearly inspired by lovecraft shit
>but let's shoehorn in a bunch of other shitty implausible "connections" and bold random words that aren't even related to each other

No one's saying the Deep and Bloodborne don't have the same themes, because of course Fromsoft was going to recycle that. What are you even trying to get at, is my question.

>>157049272
that table is still in the making

>>157049259
It's true.

>>157049219
Server has the same r2s as murakumo.
The only unique move among all curved greatswords is gravelord gs r2 stab which is identical on both one and two hands.
Meanwhile DS3 has a curved gs with absolutely unique WA set that true combos from R1 and a CGS version of aerial spin slash not present on any other CGS as well.

>>157049260
I'm actually giving BB the benefit of the doubt here, and saying that each unique weapon has a different playstyle from the other. Chikage is used differently from Kirkhammer, stuff like that. If I were a retard trying to say "loool can't turtle in BB" when DaS1 turtles didn't even need shields and could flip ring around with a spear and poke you to death, nothing I said would hold any water.

>>157049323
Are you zullie? Can you make the critical attacks to play at normal speed instead of x2?

>>157049370
Who cares about cgs

>>157049370
>Server has the same r2s as murakumo.
>The only unique move among all curved greatswords is gravelord gs r2 stab which is identical on both one and two hands
To be fair, that's also the entirety of curved greatswords in DaS1. If none of the three CGSs had any moves in common, then the weapon class wouldn't have an identity.

>>157049468
You started this discussion with a question about CGS you fucking troglodyte.
Though it doesn't even matter as situation is the same among all weapon classes.

>>157049370
DS3 CGS all have the exact same moveset. The Kumo and the Exile are IDENTICAL, except the Exile is better. The CCGS has the curved swords WA slapped on it with bleed.

CGS were always a shit and limited weapon class.

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>>157049316
Yes, it's just a religious organization members of which either transcend their humanity by becoming alien-looking abominations with branch-like wings or devolve into more animalistic, beast-like shapes, with their leader having odd powers over dreams and, oh, the odd influence that one certain celestial body has over the city, locking the sky in a permanent state of eclipse.

>>157049567
>DS3 CGS all have the exact same moveset
Weapon arts are a part of the moveset and two out of 4 CGS have unique WAs.
Try again.

>>157047814

Please respond.

I can find the summoning ranges for all types of co-op and PvP online but for some reason the Red Sign is excluded everywhere.

>>157049167
>Abyss Greatsword
Unique
>Bastard Sword
Standart
>Black Knight Sword
Unique
>Claymore
Unique
>Crystal Greatsword
Standart
>Flamberge
Unique
>Great Lord Greatsword
Unique
>Greatsword of Artorias
Unique
>Cursed GS of Artorias
Unique
>Man-serpent
Standart
>MLGS
Unique
>Obsidian Greatsword
Standart +"WA"
>Stone Greatsword
Standart + "WA"

>>157049520
I'm not saying that DS1's moveset variety is bad. It was nice for that point in time. DS3 just has a better one.

>>157049464
No. instead of 2x? never heard of that
but you can change your own speed and the worlds speed

>>157049627
The CCGS WA is not unique.

It's literally the curved sword WA. It doesn't even fit the model.

>>157049654
Please read the chain of replies next time before opening your mouth. Thanks.

>>157049627
>Weapon arts are a part of the moveset and two out of 4 CGS have unique WAs.
>Spin Slash
>Spin Slash
>Spin Slash
Only Wolf Leap is unique

>>157049762
Don't talk to me in this tone.

>>157049736
>The CCGS WA is not unique.
It is unique for its weapon class. Otherwise i would discard half of DS2's "unique" movesets as they are taken from different weapon classes.

>new DLC has only two bosses
I wish they had just focused on one more BB DLC instead desu.

>>157049958
>Otherwise i would discard half of DS2's "unique" movesets as they are taken from different weapon classes

But we do discard them.

Unique means unique. Slapping one weapon moveset into another doesn't make it unique.

>>157049958
Actually, this is a matter with DS1 as well. Golem's axe r2 animation is a copypase of one of the chaos blade's R2s for example.

>>157049998
I wish they'd just release BB on PC instead desu.

>>157049615
>no one's saying the deep and bloodborne don't have the same themes, because of course fromsoft was going to recycle that shit

Miyazaki already stated BB wasn't connected lore-wise to Dark Souls you idiot. He said this before the game even came out. Which, of course, would be why he made a Bloodborne analogue in DaS3 so he could do Bloodborne-style stuff anyways.

I'll give it to you in one sentence: DaS has souls, BB has blood.

In DaS, souls are what defines the living and the state of being sane. In BB, life is just a natural thing and you're sane without needing a shiny id bubble. In DaS, you go crazy when you lose your soul and get a hunger for souls. In BB, you start with a hunger for blood and go crazy when you let the hunger overpower you. In DaS, magic is done by channeling and manipulating souls, and there are several different types. In BB, "magic" is done by using the blood as a catalyst for interdimensional eldrich shenanigans, and there's only a single category of spells. In DaS, bonfires play an integral part in the world and its state of being. In BB, bonfires aren't even a thing and you have Victorian-era lamps with tiny invisible abortions swarming around them.

And before you try and say "BB is dark age hurr durr", we already know what an age of dark in DaS looks like. Everyone is hollow, everything is dark, and it sure as shit doesn't look like BB.

The gameplay is similar mechanically, but their stories and lore are incompatible without heavy modifications a la Cathedral of the Deep. CoD actually changes a lot from the BB mechanics to make it work in DaS.

>>157049998
But then Bamco couldn't sell a Season Pass.

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>Stomp
>Stance
>Stomp
>Stance
Real unique experience

I'm a fag and used the tree thing to get the Silver Serpent Ring and Estus Shard, is there any other reason to buy the tower key or should I just use the souls to upgrade?

>>157049150
>>157049186
NK still is a light god and benefits from the age of fire lasting. Memezaki himself said that Solaire links the fire in his world if he's saved in Izalith.
>>157049162
all sunfags worship NK, and the reason for them suddenly being invaders is never explained in the game

>>157050039
>But we do discard them.
Oh no, given that any DS2 fan loves to boast about how "unique" santier's spear was when that thing has not a single actually unique move.

Actually, i also forgot to mention that DS3's curved greatswords have unique 2h jump attack animation as well.

>>157050242
Firekeeper set, estus ring and a lovely npc merchant

>>157050242
Patches/Greirat/Siegward questline, Firekeeper set and Estus Ring, Firekeeper Soul if you don't like going hollow.

>>157050257
NK is also hollow, and Solaire calls himself an adherent of Gwyn. Crazy fucker thinks the warriors of sunlight are Gwyn's personal army.

>>157050274
Nobody is saying DaS2 had a lot of unique movesets. We're saying DaS1 had.

Are you retarded? Can't you keep up with a simple conversation?

>>157050415
>We're saying DaS1 had.
No, it didn't. In all weapon classes it had less unique moves than DS3 and even Golem's Axe which is widely regarded as one of the fan's favorite weapons had no actually unique animations.
>Can't you keep up with a simple conversation?
I can address this question to you as initial chain of replies was about ds1 and 2 vs ds3 moveset variety but it's probably too hard for you to keep a track of it.

Someome better to make DS3 DLC bingo
>Stomp/Stance WA
>reused movesets
>Saif 2.0 meta edition
>Magic/Pyro/Fatih nerf
>no fth/int scaling
>CCS buff
>etc

>>157050157
Then why are there statues from BB present in DaS3 :^)

Not him, but I don't think it's impossible that BB and DaS, even DeS, could be set in the same universe and separated by ages. Kind of like how FF is.

Perhaps Yharnam is distant and untouched by the curse, or maybe the curse of beasts is a precursor to hollowing.

>>157050519
>Golem's Axe had no unique animations
maybe if you never press the R2 button, which is quite common for DaS3 players

>>157050637
>R2 button
Animation is taken directly from chaos blade moveset.

>>157048990

I like how he has like 4 or 5 phases because his combos get longer and longer as his HP drop. Just when I thought I had his shit down he did something else.

>>157050682
the 1hr2 is kinda similiar, but it's a different animation
the 2hr2 is completely different

>it's a two autists that hate videogames try to convince each other that their videogame is better than the other one's episode

>>157050237
>Warcry
>R2 gives you a good charge that breaks poise and does tons of damage
Axes are underrated

Most GS in DS3 have SAME fuckin moveset. It's so pissing me off. How do you can defend this? Instead of making unique moveset for unique GS + WA they just copy pasted standart moveset for most of them. Yeah Wolf Knight has cool WA but WA is not part of R1 R1 R1.

>>157050607
The problem is that the beast scourge is 100% reliant on blood being a thing. It's the analogue to going hollow and losing control of yourself in a world where you can't go hollow. Pontiff sillyman uses magical rings to turn people into beasts, but that can't become a full on werewolf apocalypse scenario because it's entirely controllable and just as easily avoided: only the people who put the rings on turn into beasts, and you can avoid becoming a beast by simply not wearing the cursed rings. Also, DaS3 beasts fuse with their armor, while BB beasts tear through whatever they were wearing as a human.

Because of this, Cathedral of the Deep can never play the role the Healing Church did in BB. The most that can be done with beasts is maybe have some dumb fucker running around with the black eyes and not knowing what they are until he hulks out and starts sprouting hairs between the cracks in his armor. Nobody who doesn't have the rings can become a beast, there's no need to go on constant purges to kill beasts or even medicate against them, and there certainly isn't a need to experiment with different forms of beasts because the magic is specifically designed to do exactly what Sulyvahn wanted it to in the first place, which is to exile people as punishment and turn them into super powerful guard dogs so they're still somewhat useful.

>>157050837
>kinda similiar, but it's a different animation
https://youtu.be/XnAMAdqhUvk?t=9
https://youtu.be/YtF1IXREc2w?t=6
Nope, literally the same animation with just a projectile sprite added on top of it.
>2hr2
Shared with Dragon King Greataxe

Actually, after going back to the list of DS1 weapons it feels like it has less actual unique moves than a fucking base DS2 of all games, which was a copypaste galore as well.

>>157034574
Roll

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I love you, /dsg/!

>>157051119
>posting an anime instead of any Souls characters
Fuck you, love is over.

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>>157051119
I love you too, strange anonymous poster I've never met before.

>>157051060
>R2 gives you a good charge that breaks poise and does tons of damage
which you can roll and bs cause of the long animation or just parry like it was the stance r2

>>157051119

>Feet hidden
The armpits are truly the only sexual thing about this picture

>>157051214
Who is talking about pvp, autist? It's great in pve and can be used as much as you need it even without warcry damage boost. It looks great, it feels satisfying to use and it's the only thing that matters.

>>157034574
never got anything fun out of these
sigh
rolling

>>157034574
Rolling again because I already have that build

>>157051097
At least you have a different moveset. Greathammers have 1 moveset.

>>157051293
>talking about pve
Not him but you're more autist. "Great in PVE"? Nothing matters in pve when you can roll from all attacks and beat bosses with any bare fists. Everything is great

>>157051293
you need to warcry to do the charge.
>Underated
anything is viable in Pve, there is nothing to rate

>>157051410
>Nothing matters in pve
Everything matters in pve. The game is pve-oriented with small amount of pvp elements, deal with it.

>>157051326
>left hand: bows and crossbows
>right hand: curved greatswords
welp, guess who's gonna cosplay alva

>>157050257
oh shit, i didn't know memaire had access to nk's personal agenda. the more u kno...
>>157049697
in the vid she uploaded she had increased yhorm's speed to make it more of a challenge, but on the visceral the animations didn't play out properly as in yhorm got knocked back before the second hit of the riposte

>>157051645
>i didn't know memaire had access to nk's personal agenda
He doesn't.