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Bloodborne
PC

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> dropping the twinkling Dragon torso doesn't make hawkwood passive

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>>156994040

You know what I really like? That the editions are back.

Quelana found her already dead sister and died clinging alone to her body

>>156994118
goldface

here come dat poise

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POST CUTE

Still playing Dark Souls 3?

>shortest game in the series
>bonfires out the ass
>filled to the brim with shitty references
>On-disc cut content that will be sold as DLC
>no dynamic lighting system when even basic indie games have them
>No optimization
>rehashed areas
>rehashed NPCs
>rehashed animations
>teleporting dogs
>invading sucks
>Heavy armors sucks
>armor sets don't fit properly
>brown and grey
>shit AI
>Armor variety is less than DS2 BASE game, despite copypasting a 3rd of the armors from previous games
>Magic needs 2-3 ring slots just to dish out melee level damage
>Magic itself does reduced damage for PvP
>awful scaling balance
>FP is the most awful casting management system introduced yet (worse than DeS mana, which had better regen options and more efficient)
>FP horribly ineffiecent with damage, ends up causing everyone to use 1 or 2 FP efficient spell like Great Heavy Soul Arrow
>Miracles awful, best and most viable one locked behind the final boss
>bland NG+
>awful covenants
>no blue eye orb
>blue sentinels and darkmoons the exact same
>left hand weapons no longer have full movesets
>dual wield weapons are gimmicks
>Straight Swords and Curved Sword are as fast as daggers
>Great Weapons are slower than previous games, and costs more stamina, while barely doing more damage
>1-2 Weapons ALWAYS the best in class, no redeeming qualitys for special weapons resulting in less weapon variety than BB
>very little moveset variation
>existence of Carthus Rouge
>WA are mostly shit or copypasted powerstance moves
>no tech
>No animation canceling
>No backstep i-frame
>rolls have too much i-frames and cost too little stamina
>bloodborne enemies catered to R1 spam from ss and cs
>hexes gone and dark magic is shit
>shittiest dragon form
>no dragon covenant
>refined/hollow completely dominates
>pyromancy is the quality of casters
>19 bosses, a good chunk being gimmicks
>linear level design, less branching options than DeS, DS2, and even BB
>the DLC will be trash

15 weapons in DLC, hope one is Loyce Greatsword, same moveset.

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>>156994237
Two cute
For you

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>>156994171
Now why did that picture come out. I didn't even know I saved it.

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>>156994237
http://pastebin.com/ka8KDGbk

>>156994317
This person is trash.

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>>156994237

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>>156994360
sauce?

>>156994419
stop
Maria is for hug, not fug

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post fashion
r8 fashion

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>>156994479
Stop giving him (you)s, that's all he comes here for.

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>>156994419
More

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>>156994523
Maria's for bully

>>156994634
Soon, I'm trying to get the motivation in

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>>156994523
Why are you posting dead people?

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I FUCKING HATE DARK SOULS 3 BUT I CAN'T STOP PLAYING IT

I CAN'T STOP PLAYING THIS SERIES, BECAUSE ALL OTHER GAMES ARE MEDIOCRE IN COMPARISON

PLESSE HELP

>SL 200
>SL 100
>SL 50

All three characters ready for whatever the matchmaking for PvP arena may be

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Reminder that this is a thing.

>>156994479
>>156994609
Surely this is a bot?

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>>156994523
Don't have source, unfortunately.

>>156995018
>he doesn't just CE his builds into existence
wasting your life pham

>>156994957

I have the same medical condition. Dark Souls made me lose interest in most other kind of games

>>156995112
I think it didn't show up a few threads ago, though. But probably yeah.

>>156994407
If two posts happen at once the images can get swapped. Or sometimes it displays a different image in the thumbnail than the post. For me it once posted gay furry porn when I meant to post a completely different pic.
Also
>using a name

>>156994957

I know that feel, bro I haven't played anything other than a souls game in like 2 years now.

>>156995018
>first bracket is 0-140

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>>156995080

>>156994957
I don't hate it, but I don't love it either, imo I believe that DaS2 was a better game, and if they had borrowed more things from two (mechanics wise) than three would've been a much better game.

>>156995080
What in the
God
Damn?

>>156995307
What am I for using a name, a homo?

>>156995080
What in the FUCK

>>156995251
sexy as fuck. Will fap to later.

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>>156995080

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>>156995080

>>156995268
I would but I'm concerned about getting softbanned. It's just so frustrating farming for items, I miss Bottomless Box.

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Has anyone tried Salt and Sanctuary?

>Sacred Chime Shield didnt make a return
Why does From hate things that are different?

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>>156995080
holy fucking shit

>>156995838

Yeah, and? It's going under her tit.
I have C cup fat moobs, let me take a topless demonstration picture real quick

>>156995838
That's not how it works, dumdum.

>>156995080
I can't open .webms so do you mind telling me what this is?

>>156996091
good metroidvania
don't go in expecting a souls clone, treat it as its own thing
magic fucking melts the game worse than in souls
at least in souls you can't spam screen-covering aoe during your entire gameplay

>>156996216
Bundles deflect arrows

>>156996216
A catastrophe averted.

>>156996091
It's pretty good. The only thing that sucks is the cruddy character art.

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>>156996091
We did. If you are afraid of being Lord of the Fallen'd again, don't be.
It's good.

>>156995838
holy shit man, I lol'd

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>>156995425
What mechanics should've been borrowed from 2 to 3?

I think for the most part 3 did an alright job of being a Demon's Souls 2.

>>156996091

I played through it a few times actually in the last week finally and got 100% cheevos. It's a good castlevania game with select elements from Souls, I could give a detailed review if you want but I'll just say the major positives were that level design overall was good, most bosses felt distinct and good save a few (Tree of Men is literal Bed of Chaos tier boring design) and every build has distinct options it feels like. Negatives are some design choices I disagree with like the Wounding/Stamina decay over time, some mechanics imported from Dark Souls not feeling very well-implemented like Balance (i.e. poise) and what feels like a very poor difficulty curve through the mid and late game which is similar to initial Souls difficulty curves.

>>156996091
The artstyle is bad but everything else is good.

They actually improved the estus system by tying it to the covenants and adding something called "injury". Basically, every time you lose HP, you also lose max HP until you rest in a bonfire. This means if you rely too much on sipping you get punished.

>>156996803
>Demon's Souls 2
But that'd be terrible.

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>>156995080

>Landing on a Giant Crab's head instantly stuns it for a visceral
Why would thry incorporate this if you can only safely do it from 1, maybe 2 spots?

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I've noticed that if you hit the pus to disable the dragons but don't kill it, one of them just randomly dies and gives you its drops as you run up the stairs to Homo Bros. What's up with that?

>>156996091

Any game that allows me to sword and board with a holy glowing sword is alright by me

Although greatscissors are stupid

>>156997248
Because it's neat?
There are tons of things like this in the games

>>156996803
Actual working covenants
Roll distance and stamina recovery scaling with equip load %
Power stancing
Backstab prep animations
Actually being able to punish Estus use
Being able to buff infused weapons
Elemental resistance being purely a case of % reduction without the flat defense

>>156997248
Fun.

>>156997332
He dies when you kill the DS armour I think

>>156997248
If you attack as they rear up for the smash attack you also get a free VISCERAL

>>156997462
Why would it wait until I'm all the way past Archives to give me the drop then?

>>156997363
>Actual working covenants
That's a laugh.
The DS3 covenants for the most part work better. DS2 covenants were glorified duel arenas.

>>156997643
Because it didn't load the drop.

I once got the Crystal Sage drop while I was fighting the princes.

>>156997332

Those wyverns are just weird. If you kill the pus on one of them, the other stops breathing fire at you. They also seem to have a timer for some reason, if you wait long enough they die like you just experienced.

>>156995080
Wait

Is applying a quickbuff a secret fucking PARRY?

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Post UNDERRATED weapons

What's the best place to farm embers early game? I'm enjoying Halfway Fortress-area watchdog PvP but I'm kind of a scrub so I'm running low, and I don't have an orb/watchdog thing of my own yet.

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I think it's time for a FC.
Do you guys want one on DaS1 or DaS3? For now I'm going to be at HIGH WALL, pass is dsg.

Why do shitters insist on having 1vs1 duels in a game that promotes 6 player gameplay?

>>156997882
>The DS3 covenants for the most part work

At the expense of everything

>the co-op covenant now gets rewards for murdering players
>bluecops have to wait for a hideously unreliable queue instead of jumping in as they please with orbs
>wolffags function, but are in a lower level area with mandatory bosses so after earlygame there's no point even being one unless you create a character for that purpose
>aldrichfags are just the wolffags, but for a later area, with another mandatory boss

The only covenants that are alright are Rosaria's and the grapes

Although the grapes are probably the best idea Miyazaki's ever had covenant-wise and I forgive him for everything

>>156997882
The DS3 covenants work better because they don't really change much, just the ranges for different matchmaking and different rewards.

>>156998060
I'll turn up if you're still going in four hours

>>156998039
Co-op bosses.

>>156997363
>working covenants
>two that died permanently a few months after release
>glorified arenas holding your orbs hostage, one of which demanded you to waste an item, leading that one covenant to stagnating and hardly working either
>area invasion covenant (always around)
>handholding covenant, works as well as in 3, when the game is active
>sunbros as always
>good PvE covenant
>dragonfags as always (3 lacks them, I think it's no big loss)

>>156998186

Because For Honor doesn't come out until next year, they're too casual for Mountain Blade, and War of the Roses is kind of shit

>>156998038
You first

>>156998301
Do people summon for Greatwood or am I gonna have to get to Crystal Sage? If they summon for that either, I guess.

>seeded on NG+7
>SL 150
>people who still have less than 1000 hp

How the fuck?

>>156998186
Why do you insist on putting so little effort into your bait?

>>156997882
>Darkmoon is a literal copy of Blue Sentinels
>you are literally unable to level up the covenant because it's broken, and there exists no option to invade sinners, a feature that was present in the last two games
>Sunbros are unable to cash in their rewards until just before the last major boss of the game
>players are forced to create ad-hoc duel arenas in the worst places in the game, instead of having a built-in feature for it
>you're given near-useless dragon items, replacing a covenant that rewards you through victorious duels and gives you weapons and armor
>no PvE covenants to give yourself a more challenging single player or access to other areas of the world

I mean, the DLC might fix the arena part of it, but come on, as flawed as DaS2 was it still managed to do covenants better.

>>156998438
I see summons for Sage all the time, less so for Greatwood, but, however easy Greatwood is, some people do have trouble with it. Put down your sign and you should be summoned pretty quick.

>>156998186
Come to me when playing embered 6 people fights is possible

Can I use CE to get equipment without getting banned

>>156998241
>the co-op covenant now gets rewards for murdering players

The point is they can do jolly co-op with other invaders now, and it gives Sunbros and alternative way to gain medals while still incentivizing co-op for them.

>The only covenants that are alright are Rosaria's and the grapes

Rosaria's Fingers have nothing distinguishing to them when actually equipping the covenant, it does nothing, they are the equivalent to DaS1 Darkwraiths but there is no reason to actually be in the covenant to use the Red Eye Orb and you gain no benefits from being in the covenant that you don't already get from just talking to Rosaria.

Grapes are a good idea I agree but in implementation they turn into just a differently colored invader with a kill limit attached. That makes them good for just killing a phantom or two and getting your medal, but there's no way you'll get summoned as a grape with your white sign unless it's by someone new to the game and that'll happen only once per person, there's no benefit to that otherwise nor is there any benefit for summoned grapes to not just kill the host. Now if they added something like reds being able to summon grape signs in host worlds or allowing grapes who are summoned or invading to help with PvE to get a shackle through either killing a set amount of enemies or killing the boss that would make the covenant perfect in terms of being the ultimate wildcard.

Started my first Dark souls 1 run and got the gravelord sword because I read it's a good early weapon, but I find it too slow and i cant hit for shit, I dunno if I should upgrade it or not, so I'm using the drake sword right now. Is it worthy leveling strength to 24 so I can one-hand it, or the moveset is even more crappy?
I'm so unlucky that I killed the black knights and dont got the weapons, is it worthy restarting to get one?

I'm enjoying this game but I miss the more fast paced combat from 3

>>156998792
>No point of being in Rosaria's Fingers
I thought when you Red Eye Orb'd in Rosaria's you had a larger range for matchmaking?

>>156998802

The very first time I played DaS1 I got a BKGS drop from the second Black Knight, it was very lucky.

I wouldn't restart just to get one, but it was a lot of fun.

>>156998592
Nice, thanks! Do you have to have the boss alive in your world to be able to place your sign? I've never done this kind of thing before.

>>156998740
Yeah

>>156998973
Is there a specific way I have to do it? I just don't want to have to grind again.

>>156998895

That is not true at all and I'm not sure where you would even hear that since no one's said that since launch. Red Eye invasion ranges don't change with any covenant, the only covenants that change multiplayer ranges are Watchdogs/Faithful for blue invasions as they have a slightly expanded range iirc, Rosaria's Fingers changes nothing for Red Eye ranges.

Anyone want to help a nigga drop the ceaseless discharge?
DaS1, PC, sl91
Bring your golden boys, as I kinda need medals right now.

Yo real?

Niggas talking bout the BSS was over rated?

Yeah sure maybe on its own it's only good but paired with 45 dex Pyro it becomes God like.

It's moveset coupled with 45 dex is fucking amazing. They both cover ranges and approaches that the other can't.

>>156997363
DaS2 covenants but with optional arenas and 1st rank red/blue eye orbs.
No bluecops, just darkmoons and WoB -and the moons can invade anyone with more than three tongues/shackles or kills, rank 3 gives Yorshka chime in addition to DMB
Moundmakers can now be summoned as pinks from regular white signs with a 33% rate at random, only applies with the covenant on and causes all players to drop to unembered max HP upon invading(not from summons), same murdering rules though and dying gives the host full HP
Watchdogs gain the ability to use red eye orbs to invade holders of swordgrass as well as their regular areas but get 2x grass from red signs/abyss watcher coop
Rosaria fingers can invade with embered health at rank 2
Faithful ignore giant seeds and take away 1 summon slot with the first invasion, having two phantoms and losing one loses your slot
Covenants fixed now y/n

>>156999049
It takes like 3 hours to make a character

>>156998946
No, when trying to get summoned ideally your boss is dead or you're unembered so you can't get invaded.
>>156999049
Just drop an item (I usually use a prism stone) and use the item swapper to change it to something else (and optionally change the amount). For flasks I've always spawned in the upgrade items and to get souls I've spawned in stacks of huge consumables to pop. I've also set bosses to dead and bonfires to active (though I've only done that while offline) and no buns.
If you just want one rare thing (or a few things) on a character I can drop it for you if you like, though messing around with it yourself is more useful for future characters.

>>156994479
Csnt believe you guys are still giving me yous after a week.

Only took me less than 15mins to create this pasta

>>156995510
Seems you need to work on your aim.

>>156999336
Not when you have to grind items. Trying to get a full set of Cathedral Knight armor and weapons takes a fuckload of time.

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>>156995080

>>156997916
>>156997643
I think they just die once tou reach the Princes
No real reason why, they just do

>>156998802
Drake Sword is shit. You don't want to level Str just to wield it, but you do want to level Str to wield bigger weapons and do more damage in general (you know, the generic quality build). As long as you're not doing the Lightning/Fire/Chaos upgrade paths, since none of them scale with your stats.

The Black Knight weapons can be nice, but they're all slow as fuck and super heavy. Their movesets are fun, but not really to the point of building for them (again, outside of leveling for quality build). They can shine in Demon Ruins and Lost Izalith because of the +20% damage against demons. You can also just use Cheat Engine to give yourself the weapons, since it isn't punished at all in DaS1.

DS1 question

what has a longer cast time, sunlight spear or crystal soul spear?

>>156999165
Mound makers actually have a slightly larger upward range than normal invasions. That's it though

>>156999670

CSS, but Sunlight Spear pancakes and is therefore hilarious

>>156999670

Sunlight Spear.

>>156999783

I mean, CSS is faster, rather

>>156999294
Also silver knights drop cracked blues often, darkwraiths drop cracked reds still, invading range is slightly bigger in exchange for the limited use. Any kind of red orb use marks you for Darkmoon invasions like tongues and shackles though.

Rosaria now sells crackeds and some robes like hers. Yorshka sells cracked blues, Archdeacon fatass exchanges dregs for spicing down spells and miracles only, or exchanging reqs, favor is earned with kills of any kind while invading

>>156999653
>You don't want to level Str just to wield it
I was talking about the gravelorsword, I find its 2handed moveset horrible.

>As long as you're not doing the Lightning/Fire/Chaos upgrade paths
Are they worthy btw? Or they are easily outdamaged by normal weapon with little investment?

>You can also just use Cheat Engine to give yourself the weapons, since it isn't punished at all in DaS1.
I dont want to use CE in my first DaS run ever

>>156999783
>>156999802
Do I have enough time to cast a SLS after a parry?

>>156995080
>runs toward them immediately after the parry(?)

Well I'm certainly intimidated, hope he won.

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>>156998321
Reminder that abyss invasions gave you bonfire ascetics, which could be burned for five cracked orbs. Never run out of orbs again.

>>157000090

No, lightning miracles are for killing monstahs, not men

>>157000090
Fuck no but you can try with offhand bellvine and using your main casting tool to fire it off

>>157000170
shame abyss invasions also were DEAD AS FUCK

>>156998321
Dragon duels were fun, plus the icon was cool.

>>157000263
>implying

>>157000263
They are now, yeah. Back when DaS2 was still alive it was a great place to invade though, because hosts would be running through thinking they were in a solo PvE zone and not prepared for a player invasion. Then they'd waste seeds thinking it made a difference and run to the boss door thinking they could escape.

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>>156995080
N-nani?

>>157000381
there's nothing to imply
they died even faster than ratfags

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>>156995080
I want to know more.
Tell me now.

>>157000170
That was my died permanently after release part, being a good covenant is as inportant as being an active one

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Can someone drop me some souls ?
PS4

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>>157000584
>>157000263
>Tfw I invaded in the abyss and helped people through the areas

>>157000768
No.

>>157000768
Nice wrist

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>>157000780
Please don't make that face at me, I don't know where your mouth has been.

>>157000030
They do flat damage (like Raw weapons), the most "efficient" way to use them is to get the bare minimum stats to wield them and then dump the rest of your stats into Vitality and Endurance. The elemental damage can be nice, but that depends on the enemy you're facing (a bunch of enemies shrug off fire damage for example, and the final boss, who you probably already know who it is anyways, is virtually immune against lightning).

As for CE, you don't have to, but if luck really fucks you over the option for drops is there. The problem with Black Knight weapons is that if you don't get lucky with the drops, you won't get a chance to use them until right before the final boss, since none of them respawn.

I personally don't think Black Knight weapons are as fun as they are in DaS3 (especially the BKGS and its space launch), but they do have pretty unique move sets.

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>>157000780
>not just let Prince "Rape the women kill the children" Ricard take care of it

>>156998553
>you're given near-useless dragon items, replacing a covenant that rewards you through victorious duels and gives you weapons and armor
Fuck off, dragonfags has always been useless and obsolete, both in terms of their functions as a covenant and the rewards.

>>156999294
The one thing DaS3 did correctly was to ditch the arenas and gave everyone the chance to infinitely invade with the Red Eye Orb like in Demon's Souls, encouraging low level pvp.

Watchdogs should invade in the Farron swamp too though.

>>157000584
>Back when DaS2 was still alive it was a great place to invade though
if your definition of "great place to invade" is "rape eye orb for 30 minutes straight only to invade one and the same person over and over again"

>>157000946
The rapier is wielded by an abyssal phantom NPC though, and those are one of the most broken in the series.

>>157000965
>encouraging low level pvp.
That existed for maybe a month. By now it's 95% twinks

>>157000336
They were no different than regular ones since their rules are already followed by most people and if an icon being cool is enough to please you I don't know what else to say

I'm a shitter running a cookie cutter knight just trying to get through the game, what kind of stats should I be going for? So far I've been going Vigor > Strength > Endurance.

>>157001264
Just make a refined build like everybody does. It's the only good build

>>157000939
>like Raw weapons
Looks like raw is a horrible infusion, what the point of it? Is it just for when you dont have chunks?

>>157001130
Just like every other game. From tried their hardest to stop twinks in 3, but the only way to stop them would be to remove low level invasions

>>157001264

Luck and bleed.

>>157000957
In DaS1, the reward for dragon duels was dragon scales, which could be used to upgrade dragon weapons and also your covenant. So it had a practical purpose beyond just being a dragon.

DaS2 fucked it up by making the scales good for ranks only, and made petrified bones a completely unrelated thing that had nothing to do with the covenant.

The DaS3 went and demoted it from a covenant to a pile of rocks with certain themes implied.

>>157000974
At 1,000,000 SM it was a great place to invade, and I'd get a different host every time I used an orb. At least, until a few hours later when they ran out of effigies. Nice way to burn an afternoon, though.

>>157001460
hru

>>157001395

If you're a caster with minimum stats for a weapon but want higher damage for your sidearm

>>157001490
Scales could be farmed faster through wyverns.
Just like ears were farmed faster through crows

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>tfw finally able playing Dark Souls on pc

hmm
feels good

>>157001490
>In DaS1, the reward for dragon duels was dragon scales, which could be used to upgrade dragon weapons and also your covenant. So it had a practical purpose beyond just being a dragon.
Except literally nobody on planet earth used dragon signs. I don't even fucking know what they look like in 1

>>157000957
It offered 100% gank-proof duels you fucking retard

>>157001490
>At 1,000,000 SM it was a great place to invade
shame that when abyss was at least somehow active you could only invade at 1m for like 30 minutes before getting kicked into higher sm tiers because soul memory was such a good system

>>157001130
Yeah who cares about "twinks"? There will always be shitter pve nerds who are worse in the game than those who want to keep invading. And DAS3's pvp strongly favors the hosts so they deserve to lose if they manage to get killed. Can't take the heat? Play offline or stay unembered.

>>157001646
Ganks weren't that big of an issue for duelfags. At least not a big issue that a single covenant should be dedicated to solve it instead of bigger issues

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>>157001643
I did. They looked like the dragon eye itself, basically.

>>157001615
Not if you win a lot, and getting one guaranteed scale per kill just feels better than getting one scale every 7 or so wyverns.

>>157001684
Actually, abyss invasions had an enormous SM range that the standard red invasions didn't. I was invading as much as 1 mil both ways, with people accusing me of hacking because my stats seemed so high compared to theirs.

>>157002038
The summon times are far bigger. If you knew what you wanted to do with the scales, you were bettter off with wyverns

>>157002128
You know what? I disagree. And this comes from someone who autistically farmed scales to upgrade every dragon weapon to +5 and got sick of that shit. Either dragon duels were faster, or they felt faster and it didn't make a difference to me.

>>157001643

That's the great thing about them. DaS1 has some things you'll probably never see.

>dragon eye
>drift items
>gravelords

These make the game world feel more mystical.

>>157002276
>tfw used to be a big fan of dumb crpytozoology shit
>looking up info on vagrants and trying to figure out what they were and how to find them felt like that all over again

Games need more of this, desu.

>>157002276
That's my biggest problem with all the games after DaS1. They took out almost all of the asymmetrical online mechanics to focus more on PVP

>>157002267
They are more fun, I'll agree with that. Scales were more efficient, but I'm more than willing to admit actually fighting people instead of killing dragons non stop is more interesting

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Have they nerfed Straight swords yet? I havent played in months

Broadsword is the best weapon, right?

>>157002543
DaS 1 is the only game where everyone PvPs at 100% HP every time

>>157001395
Raw is just to deal a lot of damage with a weapon, while having the bare minimum stats to wield it.

For example, the Halberd takes 16 Str and 12 Dex to use. Two-handed, you can have 11 Str instead. If you upgrade it as normal up to +15, you can do 275 damage per swing plus whatever you get from Str and Dex scaling, more damage for more points (quality build).

However, if you take it down the Raw path and upgrade it to +5, you'll do 254 per swing, and won't do any more with extra points in Str and Dex. Pretty shitty, but this way you can deliberately leave Str and Dex low, since leveling them up won't give you more damage, and instead put those points into Vitality (die less), Endurance (get more attacks in and/or be able to roll more), or Faith/Intelligence (if you're a caster). So at the same level as another guy who went down the regular upgrade path, you'll be doing slightly less damage, but you'll also be a lot tankier and have a bigger stamina bar, and maybe even be able to fuck him up the ass with spells.

The elemental upgrade paths are about the same, but even better in lots of cases (the trade-off is requiring more materials). If you have a Lightning Halberd +5, you'll do 275 each of physical and Lightning, with no scaling. Again, pretty shitty, but if you kept your Str and Dex at the bare minimum, then you have a lot more points to dump into other areas. And again, the elemental damage can come in handy against certain enemies.


Keep in mind, DaS1 had the worst upgrade system out of the three. Crystal was worthless, Raw was decently okay but very abusable, Chaos was better than Fire in every way as long as you had 10 liquid Humanity, and Fire and Lightning didn't scale at all meaning that it was pointless to build for Str/Dex if you used them. Add to that the fact that Divine and Occult dealt Magical damage for some fucking reason, and you have yourself a half-assed system that everyone was glad to be rid of in exchange for the infusions.

Is there FC right now?

>>157002976
>he didn't zaphander
t. loser

Just installed Dark Souls 1 on Steam. Do I still need DSfix or were there official updates that made it obsolete?

where do I invade at SL 100-120?

>>157003040
Try high wall dsg, not sure if still up

>>157003253
No

You need DSFix

>>157002976
>For example, the Halberd takes 16 Str and 12 Dex to use. Two-handed, you can have 11 Str instead. If you upgrade it as normal up to +15, you can do 275 damage
>However, if you take it down the Raw path and upgrade it to +5, you'll do 254 per swing
So whats the point? +15 weapons are always better than raw

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>>157002276
>It's more fun if nobody does it

>>157003253
Get DSfix, get DSCM.

>>157003141
>zaphander
what?

>>157003508
Lightning zwei unpatched used to be top rape before chaos overtook it post meta-shift
Zaphander flipdads and shit

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>>157003508
He
DOESN'T
KNOW

>>157003508
*in western accent*
You new 'round here boy?
*cracks knuckles*

>>157003618
>>157003621
>>157003628
I started playing when DaS2 was released, I finally bought DaS1 two days ago

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>>157003508
Did I stutter

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>>157003735
Pre-patch DaS1 was another time

Full on retard damage
giant dads
flipping havels
Fog ring
skeletons not dropping souls
the original Londo archer locations

>>157003345
The main reason to upgrade Standard was if you had the Str/Dex to take advantage of the scaling.

Raw does eventually become worthless, but if you compare a +5 Raw to a +10 Standard (both require the same amount of materials), the Raw deals more damage unless you have a bunch of Str/Dex where the scaling offsets it. The same principle applies where if you just kept your stats at the bare minimum to wield the weapon, you can do a comparable amount of damage to someone who upgraded Standard and has investments in Str/Dex, but can instead dump those points into Vit and End to be overall tankier (unlike DaS3, armor in DaS1 actually did something). And as above, Lightning and Chaos let you probably do more damage than a +15 Standard, with a fraction of the stat investment.

Simply put, the upgrade system is part of the reason why Giantdad was possible.

>>156998039
Red orb invasions give embers and you don't risk anything but maybe ur souls

>>157004015
>balder leggings
>useless
At least this artist can draw stupid sexy armor in their other works

>>157004019
>And as above, Lightning and Chaos let you probably do more damage than a +15 Standard, with a fraction of the stat investment.
Wasnt split damage as shit as it is now?

>>156998060
Is the FC still up?

>>157004228
Yeah, but the raw damage was so massive that it worked out, and lightning generally wasn't resisted as well as other elements

>>157004190
but it's sexy

>>157004228
Split damage is not shit. In fact, good DS3's elemental infusions (crystal and dark) deal only 10-20 damage per hit less than quality weapons, and that's with a bonus of an entire casting system added in top of your build.

In DS1 elemental weapons were good for bs fishing vitgouge builds mostly.

>>157004325
>lightning generally wasn't resisted as well as other elements
in pvp yes,

>>157004753
>good DS3's elemental infusions (crystal and dark)
Dont you mean chaos and dark?

>retards accepting the removal of content because "i-it wasn't used" "b-because its just a gimmick"

This place if filled with redditors guzzling up whatever trash is thrown at them.

>>157004963
>chaos
>good
>when everyone maxes str

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>>157004963
>Dont you mean chaos and dark?
No, chaos is shit because fire defense is tied to STR. It's only good in pve, overpowered as shit actually.

Crystal on the other hand deals magic damage, one of the LEAST resisted damage types naturally because magic defense is only increased by investment into the INT which is rare as fuck for vast majority of builds. Crown of dusk also allows you to get almost the same damage output from magic weapons as dark weapons can from pyro builds despite int builds being one-stat. And on top of all that int builds have some of the best special non-physical weapons in the game, namely crystal sage rapier (same ar as dark estoc) and MLGS.

>>157002276
I miss the curse statues and I tjink they should've expanded some of the mechanics like players dying in other worlds would have the same effects as gravelords would, or do things like cause regular enemies enter a buffed up mode.

>>157004271
Do you want it to be?

>>157005926
more pcfc
thread dead

>>157005926
Not him, but I'd love an FC

>>157005926
i'd go to a pcfc

>>157005926
Yes

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PC FC
HIGH WALL
PASS dsg
>META NOT ENCOURAGED

See you there!

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>>157006504

>tfw too tired to fc

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>get into fight with a Red
>both of us zero estus before the fight
>immediately discover that no one had told this guy that lightning miracles are shit

BUT NO ONE TOLD ME THAT EITHER

>>157005365
Is 40 vit/60 int focused on crystal/raw buffed melee the meta counter

>>157006827
so uh
what is the point of that post?

>>157006087
>>157006127
>>157006176
>>157006237
Where are the signs, faggots

>>157006986
I did 67 damage with a 30 fth lightning spear is the point

And he was doing like 100 damage with lightning steak

Both of us should clearly have just gone pyro

>>157006504
I'm at a Thanksgiving dinner. Gimme about an hour and a half.
Don't you dare stop hosting before I'm home!

>>157006920
Buffs are shit. Now a good passive mage with a crystal sage rapier or tinder is an asshole to deal with.

>>157007069
He only had that amount HP left dummy

>>157007069
Oh
I thought you were one of those guys who go "x is not broken" while posting cherrypicked webms
But yeah, faith and int is super backended, you get no damage up to maybe 50 FAI

I wonder if there's also a big gap between 40/40 pyro and 60/60 pyro

>>157007069
You can't deal more damage than hp left

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>Tfw offensive miracles outside of WoG are trash in PvP every time except for in 2

>>157007069
DaS3 only shows how much HP the other guy had on the killing blow, not how much damage you did

>>157007168
Yeah but a tinder mage is only annoying because of the tinder. A quality build with a bkglaive and a full count of throwing knives is basicallt the same thing.

>>157007273
>2
>good miracles

Maybe on release, it's time to let go

>>157007273
In DS2 offensive miracles are all shit as well, the only remotely usable one is heavenly thunder. DS3 has the best sunlight spear and Force.

>>157007273
Who cares about PvP?

>>157007248
Pyro's equivalent softcap is 45/45.

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>>157007226
>>157007314
YOU'RE RIGHT

But still, 146 damage is super unimpressive

>>157007408
Great farron dart deals 3 times more damage than throwing knife and has better tracking. You can quickly stack 200-300 damage on someone before they can even react, and that shit is so FP-efficent you have around 60 casts on 30 ATT with a single blue estus.

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>>157007273
The are anime as fuck in DS3 though.

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>>157007716
>Great farron dart is good because it outdamages throwing knives!

>>157007706
Now combo two r1s off that hyper-armored 146

Well my internet is still down and Ive got CE
Someone give me a build to use from the very start that I otherwise wouldnt be able to use

>>157007943
100-110 damage per fast as fuck cast IS a very good number.

>>157007905
and that did about as much damage as one or two sword swings

>>157007905
>those DSA hitboxes

>>157007958

I haven't been using Unfaltering lightning spears at all because

>lol Saint's Talisman

>>157007905
god damn those hitboxes are sexy

>only 3 guys at the FC

This is entertaining, but I want to see more matchups.

>>157008247
warboy wins all matchups

>>157007943
>Literally free damage is bad

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Alright, so it turns out the Lothric Knight Greatsword was rotated and resized twenty different ways, so attempting to scale it up causes it to act up. This supports the idea that some of the scaled down weapons were adjusted directly from the versions larger enemies use.

There are some weapons I guess I'm going to need to leave out of the Giantmode/Tinymode stuff, because there's just not an easy way of getting them working.

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>>156994237
Cute!

>>157008421
>Weapons models are directly lifted from the enemies that use them
>Their movesets arent
From has a really shit thought process

>>157008421
Hey zullie, could you explain how to find the bullet id of some bosses spells ? Like the soul masse Aldrich use, finding the bullet of regular spells is easy enough, but i have no idea for the bosses one

>>157008306
But that's not true.

>>157008583
>you don't even wield them like the enemy

The shitty 2h wielding of normal weapons, and every great weapon being slung over the shoulder really triggers me

>>157008790
JUST WATCH WARBOY WIN

WITNESS

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>lorians set is not black nor gold but a strange fuckmash of both so it goes with nothing
Good to know From's always looking out for us.

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>>156994237

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>>157008421
>Giantmode/Tinymode

So this is really going to be a thing?

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>>156994237

>meet Gwyn's firstborn son, the god of war from ages past
>the leader of Warriors of Sunlight since Gwyn's time
>not connected to the Fire in any way, he's just content to sit where he is yiffing his pet dragon
>the player comes in and murders him just because
>there's no dialogue, nothing even if you're dressed in full sunlight gear and have maxed out the Sunbro covenant.

I know the story is basically to serve the gameplay and not the other way around but it's kinda dumb there is no other function for him except to be murdered so we can make a good weapon.

>Sunlight covenant members get rewarded for killing the leader of the covenant
Pretty retarded desu.
Imo ADP should've been the only place where the Sunbros can invade and putting down the sign there should be barred from Golds.

>>157009301
Should break the covenant like in 1

>>157008421
The lothric gs is also used as an environment prop in several areas, including SoC's boss arena. Each variation has different dimensions so it's possible some funky business was involved in scaling them

>>157009241
Yes he is. The fucker isn't even a proper posterboy

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I need cute pictures of the Battle Chicken.

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>>157008568
Nito is cute!

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>>157009471
>From put the final boss on the cover

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>there are people in this thread RIGHT NOW that think of themselves as Souls fans while only have played 3 out of the 5 games (60%, barely over half) in the series

>>157009301
sunlight covenant has nothing to do with him directly, it's a bunch of raving fools who worship him without him probably even knowing about that
it's pretty fucking obvious that at this point he hollows after being alive since the age of gods and just waits for someone to challenge him so he can die in combat, entire archdragon peak is just one trial to decide whether or not you are worthy of fighting him, i'm pretty sure he would be happy to die on battlefield instead of going full hollow like his father

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So if you back kreimhild into this corner she does nothing. Huh.

>>157009607
There are only 4 games in the Souls series.

>>157008662
It's actually pretty easy to find Boss related bullets. From set it up so that the bullets match up with those bosses' reference IDs.

For instance, Aldrich's ID is 515000. Aldrich's first bullet is 5150700 and his last his 5150760. So you just look through the bullet param for IDs starting with the same first three numbers as the NPC ID.

>>157009706

>it's literally CURRENT YEAR
>and he still takes pictures of his screen

>>157009573
It was a top tier trolling as well as what those fuckers did with Ludwig.
>all DLC footage hints at him just being a boring beast boss
>except he has a sword on his back and mumbled something about his moonlight when he was defeated with black screen covering the start of his transformation

>>156996075
What I do is go offline, item swap for souls of a great champion, level up, then go back online. I've done this several times and I've yet to be banned.

>>157009718
>KF, DeS, DaS, DaS2, BB, DaS3
>4

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>>157009706
>taking a picture of your screen

Any PS4 guys up for an FC in the profaned capital?

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>>157009706
she wants that ashen D

>>157010035
Is that a mole? Fucking dropped

>>157009573
Soul of Cinder is all of the Dark Souls protagonists put together so he's technically both of the DaS posterboys.

>>157009761
You're the real mvp thanks

>>157009895
if you ever even touched kf games you would understand how different they are from souls
it's like trying to compare ultima underworld with an tps action game

>>157010163
stfu

>>157009818
>>157009915
Xbox fag. One of the few

>>157010125
>he doesn't like beauty marks
Spotted the pleb.
And no, it's not.

>>157010129
i'm fairly certain that ds2 protag just found the crown and fucked off into irrelevance

>>157010276
Doesnt xbone have a screenshot feature though?

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>killed dancer and went through Lothric castle first so now I have a +9 weapon and the rest of the game is too fucking easy and boring

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>tfw want to continue to fc, but also want to watch the presidential debate

>>157009895
>King's Field
>BB
>Souls games

Not a Souls game if it doesn't have "Souls" in the title. DeS, DaS, Dark Souls 2, Dark Souls 3 and Slashy Souls are Souls games, those +BB are Soulsborne titles, but BB is not a Souls game, and neither is Salt and Sanctuary or King's Field.

>>157010335
>ds3 has no sequence breaking

>>157010291
>If I call something ugly beautiful then it's not ugly

>>157010276

I'm pretty sure both PS4 and Xbone have a built-in screenshot function.

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>>157010353
>Caring about politics

Olive, you might want to wear some armor.

>>157010326
Yah, then I'd be taking a picture of a screenshot. I might as well go to Camera, point it at that, screencap my fucking camera and post that.

>>157010538
armor is for cowards

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>>157010353
you americans are so cute, you really think that your choice will matter in the end or something

>>157009161
Yeah. I've had a friend testing out the pointers and it seems to all be stable. Now it's just a matter of adding support for weapon sizes, since they don't scale automatically with the player.

>>157010353

Don't you have a TV in the same room? If not just play a stream of the debates while playing to listen to the audio.

>>157010353
The Serpents have pre-selected who is going to win, everything else is just very expensive theater for the populace. Just always vote who the establishment hates because he's thr only non-lizardman.

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>>157010543
Or you could just use USB stick or some twitter account thing to upload it

>>157010421
stfu retard

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>>157010543
While I'm at it, how's my fashion?

>>157010353
>caring about the puppet show that is the election

>>157010752
>he has no counterargument so he resorts to calling names

>>157010795
Pixel shit

>>157010795
Poor xbone users

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>>157010795

>>157010737
To lazy.

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>>157010795
>Lautrec's golden helmet with black (?) armor and a blue-ish shield

>>157010873
stfu?

>>157010795
I like it

>>157011004
*grabs u by the throat*
FUCK OFF??????

>>157010795
cute

>>157010795
get a pc and be my pcfcbf

>>157010295
>fucked off when he found his cure and became undead NEET
livin' the dream

>>157011081
*it's an illusion*

>>157010295
You can't even do that in DaS2 before the DLCs. And even if *your* protagonist didn't link the fire, there's evidence to suggest that plenty of others did.

>>157010795
The colors suck bit I like that fashion

>>157011529
>all these faggots without untrue dark ring
dsg is the worst.

>>157011529
That isn't the current FC. The current FC has a beige sky and only one person has a shirt on.

>>157011582
>showing your neck

>>157011608
>only one person has a shirt on
Go on

>>157011640
So pick armor that doesn't have obvious seams, fuckboy.

>>157011760
Nevermind, more people came and Olive put some armor on.

>>157011391
>DaS3 canon made O&S fight literally an illusion,robbing DS1 players of their most prized accomplishment

Somewhere a child cries. I feel nothing.

>>157011853
>Caring about lore
Fuck off

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>>157012041

>>157011829
Olive isn't the host.

>Multiple FCs today
>Cant participate because of hurricane damage
Is Siegward there?

>>157011829
warboy always stays shirtless

>>157012514
Who said he was?

>>157012528
He'd be posting if he was

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Two bosses

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Why we didn't get this

>>157010421

>it's not called Blood Souls so it's not a Souls game

>even though Bloodborne is 100% a Souls game in terms of developer/mechanics/gameplay/progression/every single thing that makes a Souls game, people will still deny it just because of the title

pretty sad desu senpai

>>157012689
That helmet looks dumb. It obscures way too much of your face

>>157012706
Yeah, it's really sad that Bloodborne couldn't be a souls game

any good weapons to make a twink build?

>>157012874
Which game

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>>157012689
The same reason we didn't get this

>>157012931
that looks like ass

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>>157012874

Dark Hand.

its the prisoners chain still useful at 55 SL?

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>>157012689
Why we didn't get this

>>157012931
Looks unfinished, but still great.

I prefer the other one, but I'm a sucker for frogmouths

>>157012906
dark souls 3

>>157012983
Helmet looks a little odd, doesn't have anything inside and needs some chaimail. Other than that it looks great.

>>157012793
That's not a very good reason to cut it from the game.