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>Wasted 20 seconds at each level-up:
>>156931949

>DLC Trailers/Gameplay/Details
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic4EHyRm_Tw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nRve2XRUiA
http://www.polygon.com/2016/9/21/12999624/dark-souls-3-ashes-of-ariandel-dlc-preview-hands-on-everything-we-know

>Character Planner
https://www.mugenmonkey.com/

>DARK SOULS 3
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u8Mak1goSv4g73g16XsWV4sJelDQUatWkP2kcO6GVAA/pub

>DARK SOULS 2
http://pastebin.com/CAx8Yc8v

>DARK SOULS
http://pastebin.com/eNY3su63

>DEMON'S SOULS
http://pastebin.com/RjpF5s7a

>BLOODBORNE
http://pastebin.com/WdLBWD8n

>KING'S FIELD
http://pastebin.com/G8zw0sc3

>Community & Fanart
http://pastebin.com/vVWz9pJm
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karla
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is a shit
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Dragons.
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Still playing Dark Souls 3?

>shortest game in the series
>bonfires out the ass
>filled to the brim with shitty references
>On-disc cut content that will be sold as DLC
>no dynamic lighting system when even basic indie games have them
>No optimization
>rehashed areas
>rehashed NPCs
>rehashed animations
>teleporting dogs
>invading sucks
>Heavy armors sucks
>armor sets don't fit properly
>brown and grey
>shit AI
>Armor variety is less than DS2 BASE game, despite copypasting a 3rd of the armors from previous games
>Magic needs 2-3 ring slots just to dish out melee level damage
>Magic itself does reduced damage for PvP
>awful scaling balance
>FP is the most awful casting management system introduced yet (worse than DeS mana, which had better regen options and more efficient)
>FP horribly ineffiecent with damage, ends up causing everyone to use 1 or 2 FP efficient spell like Great Heavy Soul Arrow
>Miracles awful, best and most viable one locked behind the final boss
>bland NG+
>awful covenants
>no blue eye orb
>blue sentinels and darkmoons the exact same
>left hand weapons no longer have full movesets
>dual wield weapons are gimmicks
>Straight Swords and Curved Sword are as fast as daggers
>Great Weapons are slower than previous games, and costs more stamina, while barely doing more damage
>1-2 Weapons ALWAYS the best in class, no redeeming qualitys for special weapons resulting in less weapon variety than BB
>very little moveset variation
>existence of Carthus Rouge
>WA are mostly shit or copypasted powerstance moves
>no tech
>No animation canceling
>No backstep i-frame
>rolls have too much i-frames and cost too little stamina
>bloodborne enemies catered to R1 spam from ss and cs
>hexes gone and dark magic is shit
>shittiest dragon form
>no dragon covenant
>refined/hollow completely dominates
>pyromancy is the quality of casters
>19 bosses, a good chunk being gimmicks
>linear level design, less branching options than DeS, DS2, and even BB
>the DLC will be trash
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5th for good dlc weapons
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poise
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What would you do if Gwyndolin was your roommate?
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>>156967641
8th for fat chance
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>>156967716
Show him my vast collection of naked Gwyndolins.
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>>156967807
>not gwynDOLLins

anon..
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FUCK FARMING FOR THE LIZARD STAFF

FUCK IT FUCK IT FUCK IT

AND THOSE UGLY FUCKING NECROMANCERS? THEY ARE FUCKING FEMALE, CAN YOU FCUKING BELIEVE THAT?
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>>156967326
Yeah, Curse Ward Greatshield is kinda shit as a greatshield (even Lothric Knight Shield has almost as much stability), the only good thing it has is the all-round defenses (which most greatshields have) and the curse buildup reduction (which is worthless in PVP). And CKGS is one of the worst ultras, at 40/25 Str/Dex it literally does more damage as Refined or stock than as Heavy.

Kudos on the effort, but the odds were pretty stacked against you from the get-go.
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>>156967638
how does it feel to be more pathetic than lucifer? spamming this everyday doesn't make it any less wrong. honestly, this is just as sad as seeing the nioh spammer all over /v/

please, either get a life or kill yourself
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>>156967950
Why would you want the lizard staff in the first place? It's not the best by a mile.
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>>156968009
>implying it isn't lucy
>implying luci hasn't done this shit countless times before
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What do you think Gwyn's 4 knights did when they weren't being badass? Did they hangout?
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>>156968154
nah, he craves attention too much to not leave his trip on. the worst he's done is spam his shitty BB webms
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>>156967641
>most uncreative paired weapon imaginable
>cookie-cutter spear in a game that already has 18 fucking spears (the largest single weaponclass in the game) with a WA so slow you could close the distance and rollBS on reaction
>Cookie cutter axe with generic moveset and warcry when we already have 5 cookie cutter axes with generic movesets and warcry
>every other weapon wielded by an enemy in the DLC will probably also drop
>they will probably all continue to be generic shit recycling movesets from the main game and bringing nothing new or worthwhile to the table
>UGS that wastes its WA on an elemental buff, literally just a reskin of Lorian's GS
>yet another scythe with frostbite
Temper your expectations, anon. This DLC is not going to be good.
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>>156968175
They probably
*dabbed*
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>>156968175
Do the gods have to eat? Do any undead have to eat?
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Has anyone played Salt and Sanctuary? Looks kinda neat
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>>156968175
Gough, Artorias, and Ornstein all had sex with Ciaran, at the same time every day
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>>156968247
They probably eat whenever they're bored, but really have no need to.
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>>156968175
We're talking about a race that can spend literal eons patrolling the same few feet of ground without sleep, food or breaks. Even when faced with an imminent apocalypse, they just keep walking back and forth.

Gwyn probably just unplugs them when they're not in use.
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Post characters.
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>>156968229
the dlc will be good. from has never made a bad souls game and the dlc has always been better than the base game. already i'm excited for the throwing javelins and whatever boss weapon you get from lloyd
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>>156968278
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>>156968175
They teamed up and went on adventures?

>>156968220
Nonsense, people have caught caught him posting without his trip all the time.
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>>156968395
>tfw Lloyd's soul just makes a duel charm and Miyazaki indirectly apologizes about it in an interview 3 years down the line
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>>156968229
>shitty torch with a shit weapon art that will be a worse pyromancy

>>156968395
>from has never made a bad souls game
All three under Bamco.
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>>156968376
why mix and match when the full sets are too sexy?
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>>156968438
How did artorias possibly fail at killing manus when he can easily kill chosen undead? And why doesn't the chosen undead succumb to the abyss? AND WHY ARE GOUGH AND CIERAN THERE BUT THEY DIDN'T HELP ARTORIAS?
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>>156968229
>UGS that wastes its WA on an elemental buff, literally just a reskin of Lorian's GS
Lorian's buff was tied to its stomp WA. This one is strictly a self-buff, meaning it doesn't have to be 'balanced' alongside the attack it's strapped to. Also, judging by the buff animation, that ain't an UGS.
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>>156968438
The one thing that I will always love about Dark Souls is how awesome the armor looks.
>>156968356
Artorias found time in his patrolling days to raise Sif.
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>>156968395
Nice anon. Be ready for the dark souls 2 is a shit game memes.
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>>156968548
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>>156968395
>Yfw lordvessel str weapon
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>>156968696
that's what i'm hoping for

bashing people with a bowl and pouring soup all over them
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>>156968596
Artorias probably told them to not follow him. Even if he died, they could live on.
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>>156968548
>continuing to purchase, play, and discuss a game series you hate
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>>156968583
has anyone figured out what the crests on the firelink set are?
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>>156968696
>Big ol' bowl like the cauldron of the machete hollows in the settlement

nice
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>no book weapon that casts miracles
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>>156968548
If you really think all the 3 Bamco Souls games were bad, then you're a fucking sap for buying DS2 after 1 and especially retarded for buying 3 after 2.

Fool me once, shame on you...
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>>156968613
>meaning it doesn't have to be 'balanced' alongside the attack it's strapped to.
None of them are.
Every elemental self-buff WA adds 80 flat elemental damage, regardless of whether it requires you to complete an extremely long WA attack animation, like the Profaned GS and Swordspear, or is applied near-instantly like a resin bundle as with Lorian's GS.

The best part is that if it;s anything like the Profaned GS, where it lacks innate elemental damage outside of buff uptime, then that +80 dark damage will have virtually no impact on its actual damage in pvp.
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>>156968596
>How did artorias possibly fail at killing manus when he can easily kill chosen undead? And why doesn't the chosen undead succumb to the abyss?
Artorias had "nary a murmur of dark", while chosen undead "smelled very human indeed". Artorias probably didn't even get close to Manus, and got fucked up just by touching the abyss around him. Chosen undead, being undead and a walking humanity pinata, didn't have that weakness.

>AND WHY ARE GOUGH AND CIERAN THERE BUT THEY DIDN'T HELP ARTORIAS?

Because Artorias was the only one brave and dumb enough to walk face-first into a giant miasma of anti-life, and the others noped out when they saw what happened.
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>>156968773
i think he was just being cheeky
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>>156968247
Siegbrau item description implies that undead do not eat or drink
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>>156968696
>implying we'll get a one-of-a-kind unique weapon that belongs to a class all its own and has completely original animations
Not a chance in hell. You'll take your recycled axes and you'll like it.
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>>156968548
That's not a torch, you ignorant slave. It's a consumable item that lets you use the torch to breath fire. You can see the player character use it when before they start firing, and you can see the hollow enemies chug something before the same.
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>>156968843
And he had a broken arm at the time as well.
AND he left a powerful shield with puppy Sif to keep her safe.
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>>156968915
every dlc has had unique weapon animations
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>>156968009
please just stop replying to him
ignoring him will be the only way to make him stop
he loves every (you)
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>>156968954
>It's a consumable item
That's even worse.
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>>156968837
Greatsword of Judgement adds 90, not 80.

Don't give a fuck though, that dark effect is sexy as hell and will pair perfectly with black flame.
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>>156969015
i think he's doing this to get himself off, seeing as he usually gets a max of two replies each time he posts it

hell, the nioh spammer sometimes wont get a single reply
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>>156968805
>no crystal sphere to cast sorceries
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I've done this twice on accident and dunno what the fuck I'm doing or how I did it.

I'm doing sorcery, using the basic sorcery staff. I don't have magic weapon equipped, but I've dropped my controller and some combination of buttons enchants my staff or makes it blue.

the fuck am I doing when that happens
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Hey guys, what about :
>WA of Lucerne swaps the weapon head you do damage with, so you can switch between doing blunt or piercing damage
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>>156969146
Have you ever used your brain to think? Look at your weapon art retard
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I really hope the dlc makes naked hollow torch men and women meta and we get in touch with our hollow roots.
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>>156968462
2hand that shield and bash people away. that's what I do with greatshield cosplay.
stay strong like Felicia
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>>156968548
>all thre under bamco
You just can't be that retarded anon, I don't believe it.
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>>156969146
it's the staff's weapon art
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>>156969146
That's its weapon art, you dumb fuck. Either two-hand and press L2, or press L2 while it's in the left hand.
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>>156969062
You could probably apply the effect to any weapon you wanted with CE without ever actually buying the DLC. If all you care about is style over substance, you could just mess around with effect values and pointers and probably do a better job than From ever could.
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Hello what is occurring?
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>>156969146
2hand it and press l2
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>>156969135
yeah i've never seen him get more than two replies
>nioh spammer
would that be on /v/?
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>>156969176
It should have just swapped sides between 1H and 2H.
1H is hammer-face and strike damage
2H is bill-face and thrusting damage
That way you get thrust for HA trading, and strike for DPS
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I'd like to see a graphic novel of Gundyr killing all of the bosses and becoming a LoC, kind of like a "Punisher kills the Marvel Universe" thing
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>>156969196
>>156969261
Thank god, that makes sense. Thought I was going crazy because I couldn't reproduce it.
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>>156969273
YO fuck off
>>156969353
no, here. he'd post a few webms, we'd tell him to fuck off and he'd lie about been told to fuck off from ps4g and bbg
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>>156969264
Not that I have PC or know how to cheat like the pros, but if the buff appearance was only designed with that weapon in mind then wouldn't it not copy well onto other weapons, if at all? You'd get the buff number, but not the pretty looks.

PS4 here, fuck your instakill shit
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So I've got both DS2 and DS3 in my steam library now. I've played Demon's Souls and Dark Souls with PS3 back in the day but I couldn't have been arsed to do those two newer ones yet.

Should I go straight to DS3 or play DS2 first?
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>>156969273
I'm bored Havelmom, got any god webms?
>>156969437
>being this retarded
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>>156969403
Commission artwork from Lordran and Beyond authors.
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>>156969201
>Torches and broken straightswords now have insane scaling when hollow infused
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>>156969472
Since you have DS2, you might as well play it.
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>>156969353
yes. he's like barney fag in that he has some sort of program that informs him whenever 'souls' or 'bloodborne' is posted and starts spamming these shitty webms regardless of the context of the thread. people used to tell him to fuck off but now it's kind of sad and they've started to ignore him
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>>156968798
>Gives you poise similar to those npcs
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>>156969472
Try 2, switch to 3 if you don't like it. DaS2 tries to do a lot of new things but they don't all pan out, DaS3 is tried and true stuff from DeS, DaS1, DaS2, and BB.
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>>156969472
Play DS3 so you have a character ready for the DLC (if you like PVP that is). Otherwise it doesn't really matter.
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>>156969473
It's my first time ever playing a sorcery class in any game and I don't look at guides. I know weapons had specials but didn't know the staff did or how to use it.
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>>156969472
Das2 is more of a "meanwhile in this other area" story. nothing of significance happens narratively.

it's still fun though, if you can play all of the souls games
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>>156969526
i'd like them to do it but that would be a metric ass load of commission bucks for a graphic novel
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>>156969529
I was sad when I first played ds3 that the broken straightswords WA wasn't a like crazy hollow slashing away until all your stamina is gone
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Any good enb/graphic mod that make DaS3 not look like mud smeared all over my screen?

God this game is dull looking.
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>>156969529
wew lad

>>156969662
Everything that can be equipped to a hand has a weapon art. Except the torch.
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>>156969464
That's not how it works.
There's a separate memory address for the VFX of a buff, and they all scale to the dimensions of the weapon they're applied to because they are all just minor variations of the same base code, the one used for resins and spell buffs. This is why you can gesturebuff/tumbelbuff unbuffable weapons and still have the buff FX align properly with the weapon.

That particle effect is literally just a charcoal resin with the white/black colour pallette of dark pyromancies. Imitating it with CE such that you could apply the effect to any weapon would probably be the work of an afternoon. What's better, it'd take even less time for the devs themselves to do it, which is why the idea that they'll be expecting you to pay 15 dollars for trash like that is absolutely galling.
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>>156969529
>wa is the tardrage
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>>156969662
>I ignored item descriptions and the tutorial
>anime reaction
truly you are the worst shitter here
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>>156969796
the fuck are you talking about? it looks fine.
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>>156969893
>triggered by cartoons
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>>156969893
>Following the tutorial
lmao
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>>156969669
Dranleic is lordran tho
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>>156969568
no anon stop telling me these lies
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>>156968210
>filename
I've never sent Greirat away after Irithyll. Does he not make it back from Lothric?
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>>156969974
you bring shame to the rest of us weebs
we are the master race and you are untermemesch

>>156969991
>pressed every button except L2
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>>156969974
>hello I am a meme
get the fuck out of here right this instant you tensile phimosis
captcha: road exit
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>>156968696
>tfw 66str build
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>>156969994
no it's not. It's obvious that is what Yui wanted but M had to put his foot down with that shit.

Drang his Drangleic. Lothric and Lordran are two separate locations as anor londo was pulled in from afar
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>>156970108
Simply pressing L2 will make you attack with the staff.
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>>156969832
Ah, okay. But why do buffs/resins not fully cover the Executioner's Greatsword?

>What's better, it'd take even less time for the devs themselves to do it, which is why the idea that they'll be expecting you to pay 15 dollars for trash like that is absolutely galling.
>CEfag justifying piracy with entitlement

Meanwhile, nobody was up in arms over the Possessed Armor Sword despite it having the only fire self-buff with inherent fire damage. If it's just yet another a greatsword with a dark self-buff whose only distinction is that it looks pretty, then there's nothing galling about it. It's just by-the-numbers meta shit. It doesn't look like trash though, it really is quite pretty.
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>>156969994
it's really not, from even said it's the south pole to 1's north pole, figuratively speaking
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I just realized master's attire is the same set of rags naked hollows from DS1 wear
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Gwyndolin is for _____!
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>>156969953
>it looks fine

>>156968583
Look at this shit. The whole game has this brown/grey tint all over it, feels like I'm playing fucking CoD.
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>>156969994
>http://www.polygon.com/2012/12/19/3783452/dark-souls-2-staff-discuss-the-vga-trailer-and-what-having-real

>If Dark Souls was set in the North Pole, this one would be in the South Pole

>There is no direct connection in the story between Dark Souls and Dark Souls 2, but the two games share a similar core, according to Dark Souls director Hidetaka Miyazaki

Literally the title and first sentence of the article.
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>>156970297
AND I JUST REALIZED FROM STILL HASN'T NERFED CARTHUS EVEN THOUGH THE GAME HAS BEEN OUT FOR 6 YEARS
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>>156970308
>that ugly mouth
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>>156970039
Correct.

>>156970184
No, that's R2 while right handed. Pressing L2 is the weapon art, if it's in your left hand. If it's in your right hand, you need to two-hand and press L2.

Did you skip the tutorial, anon?
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>>156970338
That was pre-Tanimura.
Shibuya's Legend of Aboriginal Souls was going to be its own thing, disastrously so, and then he got canned for it. The DaS2 we got is directly, intimately connected to the plot and setting of the first game.
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>>156970308
killing to get the better looking buff
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>>156970409
wew
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>>156970464
>Putting weapons in your left hand
>Implying I'd ever need to 2hand it and press l2 for some reason
Of course I skipped the tutorial.
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>>156970463
>he doesn't want his trap with luscious lips

Is this better?
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>>156970297
anon, you can finally use the Pontiff Knight Curved Sword
Congrats!
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>>156970501
Anon, those statements are directly from Miyazaki.

>>156970543
>Putting weapons in your left hand

Yes? Did you read the item description? It says the weapon art can be used in both hands, so you'd normally put it in your left hand so you could use it with L2 without needing to two-hand or put your main weapon away.
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>>156970409
>Game has been out for almost 6 months
>In that time, none of the core mechanical issues have been addressed
>Graphical assets still fail to load in several areas throughout the game
>Carthus Sword hasn't been balanced
>Washing Pole got buffed
>Glaives have literally not been touched even once
Fromsoftware is a joke.
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>>156970676
Blocking with my right and attacking with my left just isn't correct.
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>>156970731
>people discover a way to sequence break other than the one intended
>hey hey hey now, can't have that
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>>156970676
>those statements are directly from Miyazaki.
Who wasn't directly involved in DaS2 and isn't a source of canon regarding its lore and its place in the overall series. They are also statements made regarding a different design concept for DaS2 that did not get released as the DaS2 we know. They are about as valid as the claims he made about being able to create bonfires back in DaS3's early press.
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>>156970731
>expecting a patch two months before the next dlc
>expecting a patch 16 days before the dlc

>>156970789
... What are you even talking about? You put the sword in your right hand and the staff in your left, dummy. You don't replace your weapon with a staff, that's retarded.
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>>156970315
that's a low res screenshot from google you tard
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>>156970913
But I'm shit, how will I block on the off chance I need to? I have my shield on my left and my staff/sword on my right. I don't need my staff and sword out, that seems silly.
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>>156970913
How about
>expecting a patch at any point in the first 6 months of a game's lifespan that addresses ANY of the core issues plaguing its performance, mechanics or balance
Can;t have that now, can we. What an unreasonable request for an entitled consumer to their faultless developer overlords. Let me just go eat directly out of Miyazaki's toilet again, it's clearly all that we're worthy of.
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>>156970731
They took away the infinite combo from the black knight glaive didnt they?
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>>156970858
>miyazaki, father of dark souls, isn't a source of lore for his own series
>miyazaki canning a director who fucked with his lore and replacing him with loyal tanimura-san isn't evidence that miyazaki's statements take precedence over all else
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>>156970858
but he is involved in 3 and he rectonned that shit

>>156970145
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>>156970731
>none of the core mechanical issues have been addressed

What issues are your referring to?

>Graphical assets still fail to load in several areas throughout the game

This has never happened to me. Sounds like a problem on your end.

>Carthus Sword hasn't been balanced
>Washing Pole got buffed
>Glaives have literally not been touched even once

Another scrub QQing about weapons. Honestly, when it's not the washing pole or the CCS it's the estoc of the dark sword or the FUGS or whatever you lost to.

Just get gud faggot.
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>>156970951
That was an example, Einstein, look how bland it looks.

Also,
>color filters having anything to do with resolution
you what
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>>156971079
Miyazaki was not CEO of Fromsoft when Shibuya was canned. He was, at the time, working on the then unannounced Project Beast as its lead director and had no time to concern himself with the development or business drama of the studio.
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>>156968229
>most uncreative paired weapon imaginable

More like "only logical paired weapon imaginable".

Sword and shield is the best possible dual weapon, followed by sword and dirk.

2spear, 2mace, 2kat, 2sword, and 2dagger are all completely retarded anime bullshit almost as bad as the oversized "warhammers" that are really just lumps of metal or wood attached ot a stick.

At least sword and shield will allow the shield to be used as a weapon, just like shields really were.
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>>156971243
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>>156971071
I prefer the slow, gentle, surgically precise balance fixes Bloodborne had over the NERF IT TO OBLIVION mentality of DaS1&2. In BB, weapons were still usable after being nerfed, while in DaS1 you don't see people running around with the father mask and giant armor unless they're being "ironic".
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>>156971243
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>>156971243
That's gay tho
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>>156971245
i just took this

graphics are on par with BB and there's no filter
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>>156971243
>kissing

faggot
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I think 'Knight' has been uncensored. I've been seeing more and more people with it in their name recently.
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>>156971243
>That asshole
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>>156971274
>At least sword and shield will allow the shield to be used as a weapon, just like shields really were

We hope. And that's assuming it's a paired weapon and not two separate weapons.
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>Miyazaki: hey guys let's finally make the most iconic part of our game a weapon
>what should the moveset be?
>Miyazaki: standard bastard sword
>um.. ok, should we make the Weapon Art something cool like transforming the weapon type?
>Miyazaki: nah, save time and just copypaste the drake sword R2
>what about the scaling?
>Miyazaki: Why quality of course! But make sure to put in those INT/FAI requirements
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>>156971307
>slow, gentle, surgically precise balance fixes Bloodborne
What, you mean the "lets not do anything and leave the game as an unbalanced mess of shit" approach?
The closest thing to balance changes BB got was fixing the riflespear bug (which left the weapon as total dogshit) and nerfing the cannon into abysmal uselessness. Everything else was just "reduced the stamina cost of the kirkhammer by 0.5%" a dozen times.

BB's balance was hardly touched and it was completely shit as a result. There's a reason people call it the worst pvp in the series, and double bolt saifs are two of those reasons.
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>>156971062
Just roll, don't be in a situation where you absolutey must block, use a WA shield so you can do both, or git gud
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>>156971483
>tfw it's actually just an unusable NPC weapon set
>all of the dlc weapons are
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>>156971470
Why is knight censored? is it because of Nig? Ive seen people get away with capitalizing nig in knight
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>>156970731
WP has been both nerfed and buffed, with a net nerf as the result
the glive combo got nerfed
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>>156971214
>This has never happened to me. Sounds like a problem on your end.

Not him, but the game is missing textures in several locations.

>giant bricks wolnir's room
>random white pools at archdragon peak
>missing ground texture at lothric castle
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>>156971565
I just told you I'm shit. I prefer shield up for surprises.
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>>156971553
Fuck you, I like the Firelink Sword.
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I dont care if the DLC weapons suck. They just need to be different. Beating scrubs will be a whole new level of fun while I watch the horror on their faces while they try to deal with something they dont know shit about.
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>>156971637
The WP wasn;t nerfed. The "hitbox" adjustment people assumed would be a range nerf was anything but, it just made the weapon break hyperarmor.
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>>156971564
>There's a reason people call it the worst pvp in the series
>because PCfats
>and bell system
That's why.

>saif
>problem
wew
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>>156970858
>Write my own harry potter novel
>Declare it to be cannon
>J.K. Rowling says it's a separate entity
>"Well she didn't write it so she wouldn't know"
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>>156971752
>no counterarguments
>resort to consolewar shit
>when you're arguing with another PS4 player
Pretty pathetic, man. Don't you have anything better than this?
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>>156968646
Ds2 isn't bad. It's just not as good as the other dark souls
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Given that weapon variety is actually minimal, how many "unique" weapons are there per class?

The Dark Sword actually has a relatively different moveset and the stomp stance instead of the hold stance, and the broadsword has that (ridiculous, retarded) lunging slash with a huge windup, but most of the other straight swords are just a variation on the same moveset - either thrust thrust, thrust cut, or cut cut.

And spearwise, the Partizan and Yorshka's Spear are the only ones that feel really different (unless you count Lanza Grande as a spear).
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>>156971661
Smashing dat bp is not gay but kissing is over the line you fucking homo.
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>>156971564
Bullshit, the only unusuable weapons in BB pvp were tonitrus and beast claws, and even tonitrus had its perks. Saif and Rakuyo were an unbalanced, OP mess, but by then they'd already started working on the next game.

People didn't call BB's pvp the worst in the series because of weapon balance, they called it the worst because gun spam was unpunishable and the bell maiden system combined with phantom HP penalty was as bad as DaS3's "can only invade gankers" and embers.
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>>156971589
Yeah, it's because of nig, but I'm seeing quite a lot of people with just 'Knight,' no weird capitalisation or anything.
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>>156971774
Different thing. JK Rowling owns the Harry Potter IP.

Miyazaki doesn't own the Souls IP.

It's like Lucas trying to control which bits of Star Wars are canon. He can't, because he's a shameless whore.
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>>156971726
WP can't even R1 to R1, it's been reduced into a weeaboo javelin.

>>156971480
this
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>>156971774
>implying J.K. wouldn't accept
Hermione's a nigger now so
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>>156971713
>invading bl30 hosts with cosmic tentacles
Best part of the game right there.
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>>156972138
>mfw her logic was "In the books I never said Hermione was white, I just said she had thick curly hair and buck teeth, she was obviously always black"

GG Rowling
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>>156971860
Straightswords are one of the most diverse classes. They all share R1s in common, but there's 3 1st 1HR2 variation, 4 1st 2HR2 variations and 2 2nd 2HR2 variations.

Compare that to something like Axes, where in the entire weaponclass every single WA is a self-buff and every single axe but one shares the same R2s.
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>>156972138
thats kindof to be expected though, the whole mudblood thing was a rather heavy handed analogy
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>>156972260

The sheer number of weapons that are just "press L2 to buff" are completely retarded

All weapons should have had a stance based WA, then you could chuck in either the buff or the attack depending on whether you hit R1 or R2, while "mundane" weapons would just have had two different attacks
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>>156972248
JK Rowling is one of the biggest cunts alive. She also campaigned hard to remain in the EU.

She's you typical chamagne socialist who loves niggers and currymen because she lives in a palacial mansion and never has to interact with them.
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>>156972248
Didn't one of her books literally mention Hermione's white skin?
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>>156970308

>No tits
What is this fake shit?
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>>156970731
>Carthus Sword hasn't been balanced

You fags were all crying about dark swords and rapiers so that's what they nerfed.
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>>156972487

Yes, the same book where Harry and Hermione hooked up instead of her getting paired off with that literal waste of oxygen Ron

I wish that was a book
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>>156972509
He lost them in 3 and got a harder jawline and some shadow too
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>>156972260
Hand Axe is an axe too, it's R1s are different.

Thrall Axe has quickstep, and is basically a better Hand Axe.

Dragonslayer's Axe doesn't have a different moveset, but its inherent lightning means it can be used on different builds for different reasons.

Butcher Knife is big and steals HP.

Winged Knight Twinaxes is the most fun shit in the game.

Eleonora's bong bong is better than anyone gives it credit for.
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>>156972432
>mfw a Lothric Knight uses the stance WA with their spear
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>>156972540
At least I can parry the dark sword effectively
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If you could remove three things from the souls series, what would it be? i.e weapons, armor, online system, etc.
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Speaking of movesets

>literally all of the swords only either cut or thrust
>even the swords that should at least be able to slash

What the fuck FROM, the only swords that can slash in your dumb game are the curved ones
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>>156972432
What they should've done is make weapon arts equippable to attunement slots, then make 3-5 arts per weapon class.
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>>156972698
Bamco.
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>>156972698
>latency
>Bad hitboxes
>invader gimping
bonus: Can I remove the lack of poise?
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>>156972432
Warcry isn't bad in principle, the implementation just sucks.
Why do I have to charge my R2 for like 3 seconds to get the unique attack?
It takes so long to charge it that someone standing point-blank can literally turn around and sprint back out of range before it goes off. It's too slow to catch or surprise someone, too slow to pressure them, too slow to be an option. The only time someone will ever get hit by it is if they've never seen it before and don't know what's happening. There's no practical function for an attack like that when it takes so long to go off, and even in pve it does less damage than two R1s for like triple the amount of time.

If they hadn't overbalanced some of these WA attacks to be completely irrelevant, then the game would actually have some diversity.
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>>156972698
>way of the blue covenant
>seed of giant tree
>soul memory
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>>156972698
Miyazaki
The playerbase
/dsg/
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>>156972698
>Russians
>Brazilians
>'stralians
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>>156972698
Remove ember HP buff, make +30% hp natural for everyone.

Remove half flasks on phantoms, everyone gets full flasks.

And as long as we're increasing things by "removing" the opposite, I'd like to remove the inability to connect two or more systems together for LAN party matching and enjoy lag-free pvp for once.
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>>156972698
parries and backstabs

since demon souls i've hated these mechanics. they completely trivialize pve and pvp

from 3 shotting gwyn to one shotting someone in a match.
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>>156972721
What's the difference betwen a cut and a slash
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>>156972487
Yeah
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>>156972698
Memeazaki's bias against invading.
The mentality of "hurf durf meta is the only thing that matters" that goes around.
Sony, so BB can finally come out on PC.
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>>156972952
>way of the blue covenant

This, blueberries should have a blue orb or just be summoned in to help whoever's being invaded

>seed of giant tree

But why, seed is hilarious at the giant's courtyard in pre-anor londo

Just running in and out between giant's legs, naked, while Aldrichfags and redfags chase you down
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>>156973082
A cut relies on percussive force while a slash relies on "drawing" the blade along the contact area to deal damage

If you cook, it's like the difference between the way you chopping and slicing carrots
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>>156972946
I think the reasoning behind Warcry R2s taking so long is because they have long range, massive poise, and turn your entire body into a moving stagger wall. The attacks are great when they finally go off, it's just getting there that's the problem. Fun to use in Dungeon if you can pin the other guy in a cage, though.

IMO, Demon's Greataxe WA should've been Warcry, with the explosion slam being its WA R2. That way you could let go and fire it off early if you ever needed to.
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>>156972446
>also campaigned hard to remain in the EU.

You guys are destroying your currency
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>>156973071
Parries and backstabs are the cornerstone of Souls PvP you retard.

They both allow you to punish bad players for making mistakes. Without them PvP is just mindless R1 spamming.

Honestly scrubs like you should just stop playing this game and go back to WoW.
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>>156973120
>seed is hilarious at the giant's courtyard in pre-anor londo
You don't need a seed for that, giants can hurt invaders anyway.
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>>156973373

THEY CAN??
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>>156973309
Don't stop them now, at this rate I'll be able to move to EU and buy up a whole bunch of land in six months.
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>>156972446
>leaving the EU was a good idea
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>exploding zombies hurt invaders too
I shouldve known.
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>>156973120
Seed takes away the only advantage that invaders have. It's broken as fuck. Now on top of the host and his 3 phantoms I have to worry about mobs too? Fuck that.
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>>156973341

Gee wiz! it sure is fun to deal 90% of something's health just because i'm behind it!

Oh man! this guy got a lucky parry on me and took away all of my health in one hit from max HP! he sure is good at this game!

if you rely on parries or backstabbs AT ALL in souls games, you're a pathetic casual. fact.
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>>156973481
>Seed takes away the only advantage that invaders have

Yeah, but it would be just fine if not for the embered/unembered discrepancy and the fact that nowadays hosts can summon a ton of motherfuckers

Seed isn't inherently bad, but the environment 3 has created makes it bad
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>>156973309
>>156973442
>controlling our own borders is a bad idea

Fuck off eurocucks. I can't wait to see the EU collapse. Gonna be laughing my ass off.
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>>156973481
Seeds should just be disabled if you use the dried finger.
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>>156973547
>Bloodborne is basically parry: the game
oh fug
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>>156973426

They can hurt them but they aren't aggroing them, so you have to bait the attacks.
Same with the big Mr Crabs in the crucifixion woods for example.
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>>156973426
Yeah. I've had reds try to lure me to the giants when they ran out of estus, only to be crushed by them themselves.
And I definitely didn't have a seed active.
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>>156973547
Don't be a salty faggot because you're shit enough to fall for something that is easily avoided
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>>156973582
Seed would be balanced if it could only be used when the host has no phantoms.
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>>156973601
Your ass isn't the only thing falling apart right now anon, if you want to see a collapse look inside your own borders.
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>>156973547
If you get backstabbed in pvp you deserved it. And its definitely not 90% of your HP. Don't carelessly attack if you don't want to be parried. All you have to do is walk around someone and backstab them if they try to parry you
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>>156973547
Backstabs don't take 90% of your health you fucktard, even with hornet ring.

>got lucky

How about he outplayed you because you mashed R1 like the predictable scrub that you are and got your ass riposted.

Keep crying scrublord.

Parries also happen to be one the only ways to win invasions when you're up against 3 phantoms.
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>tfw the partizan r2 is the best anti-backstab tool around

The partizan's 1h hitbox in general is fucken stupid
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>>156973689
hornet ring fag detected

spamming l2 sure is a great gameplay strategy, huh? really works your skills

i mean, fuck genuinely fighting something, right?
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>>156973732
>you deserved it.
Can people stop with this meme? The fact that people deserved it doesn't imply it's a good game mechanic. Let's say we're playing rock paper scissors without scissors. If you actually are dumb enough to play rock, you deserve to lose for sure, but that doesn't mean removing scissors was a good idea. The fact that intelligent players can avoid the most of the consequences doesn't prove DS1 backstabbing is a good mechanic.
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>>156973731
You're pretty funny guy. Our economy's doing just fine. Enjoy the decline Eurocuck. You'll be paying for those refugees for decades to come :^)
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>>156973732
>>156973783
> they completely trivialize pve and pvp

learn to read faggots
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>>156973582
They should limit how many times a host can summon. As it is now, the host can just go back and summon more cannon fodder if theirs die without even needing to rest at the bonfire.

>>156973547
In DaS1, lagstabs were game-breaking. Early DaS2 lagstabs were harder to but just as bad until they nerfed the damage to where they were barely worth the effort. In DaS3, backstabs are hard enough to do that the only way you'll get hit by them is if you specifically leave yourself open for one.

Being parried is only a problem if you fall for setups or spam attacks in a predictable manner. Learn what setup parries are and stop being predictable.
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>>156973797
says the one spamming R1 and gets punished for it. I don't even use hornets, i'm just not some dumbass who thinks this utmost depth of this games pvp is spacing and r1 mashing
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>>156972576
It was always so dumb that she ended up with Ron when they treated each other like a little brother or little sister.

And Harry and Hermione had serous chemistry in that one part when Ron fucked off due to jealousy
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>>156973797
Ironically enough, parry spamming is punishable by backstabs.

Just stop posting you fucking scrub. You don't know shit about PvP in this game.
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>>156973920
>Our economy's doing just fine.
I'll let you believe what you want, anon
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>>156973947
>They should limit how many times a host can summon
Or
You know
Just disable summoning entirely if you're invaded
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>>156972636
age and hormones are the bane of traps
>>156972795
this. so much this
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>>156972698
no bias for gank squads when invading (ds3)

katanas (maybe keep one to keep the weebs silent)

not a single recycled asset from previous games (keeping it to a minimum is acceptable)
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>>156973947
>In DaS1, lagstabs were game-breaking.
Except they weren't and every BS attempts all have ways to counter them.
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>>156973921
>Pvp and pve
>pvp
>PVP
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>>156974001
>>156974028
why should parries and back stabs do critical damage at all? if they're to punish spamming and positioning, it's still a casual tactic because of how much damage it does without the hornet ring
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>>156974003
>It was always so dumb that she ended up with Ron when they treated each other like a little brother or little sister

Maybe they're into incest?

>>156974038
I wouldn't go that far, I mean you shouldn't be forcing 'honurabl duals' on people who don't want them. The problem isn't that hosts can have summons at all, it's that invaders have way too many disadvantages compared to them.

>>156974114
With other backstabs. You counter backstabs with backstabs, which are countered with backstabs and backstabbing backstabs while circling for a backstab.

Backstabs were to DaS1 what Steath Rocks is to Pokemon.
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>>156974185
Because other wise there's no reason to go for it aside from a normal r1r1 combo that deals maybe 200 less damage. So you're rewarded with a few hundred more damage by pulling off a ripost/bs instead.
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>>156974003
I think she publicly stated that she regretted having her go to ron
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>>156974030
Look it up m8. I know that you wish all the doomsday predictions were true but they turned out to be utter fabrications.

Now explain to me why the eurozone is the ONLY economic zone in the world that's experiencing a recession.

Even Turkey doesn't want to join your utter failure of a union.
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>>156972698
>Backstabs
>level up waifus
>FP

Funnily enough, all of these things had been fixed in previous games at some point.

Make it so you need to do a power attack to backstab.
Level up at bonfires so you don't have to go back to the hub all the fucking time and just make the waifu into a merchant character or something.
Go back to limited spell uses because it was fucking fine before and FP only fucks up the Estus economy even more which was also perfectly fucking fine in DS1. WAs really don't even need to be limited at all and doing so only makes the combat less varied and more boring.
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>>156974319
Do not sexually bully Maria
Leave corpse well alone!
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>>156974114
>opponent teleports directly into your ass, nearly oneshots you, then pops blackflame/great combustion/wotg on wakeup
just git gud, right?
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>>156974185
Because they require timing and positioning to pull off. Therefore, they should be rewarding.

Have you PvP'd at all in these games?
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>>156974290
>few hundred

yeah right
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>>156974185
Without them the game is just mindless r1 spamming. If you land a regular hit to punish for r1 spamming then im just going to keep spamming because im gonna hit way harder during my spams than you will for your "punish"
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>>156974402
They don't teleport you retard. You walk towards them so like an angry overly aggressive mongoloid and get punished by them straif bsing you.
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>>156974424
>>156974460
the fall down from backstabbs or parries should give time to heal or apply buffs

not deal over a thousand fucking damage
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>>156974460
The game IS just mindless R1 spamming.
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>>156974610
But it IS punishable.
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>>156974303

She did, but she's never apologized for that godawful epilogue scene
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>>156974597
>time to heal or apply buffs
Why would i ever heal or apply a buff if i'm already kicking your ass?
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>>156974357
>Make it so you need to do a power attack to backstab.

Honestly the backpat/avoidable backstab of 2 and 3 is okay by me, it's DaS1 and DeS that had really bad backstabs.

Bloodborne's Charged R2 > back Visceral was pretty good too though
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>>156974424
Lag is so ubiquitous in pvp that whenever someone says backstab they actually mean lagstab.

Lagstabs require less timing and positioning and more knowing how desynching works so you can backstab people out of animations or even out of other backstabs. It requires no actual game-related knowledge or skill and reduces gameplay down to whoever can exploit lag more efficiently.
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Tell me your honest opinion guys. Miyazaki said that he is not going to continue Soul Series but he didn't say someone else couldn't do it.

So what do you think, is DS 3 last in the soul series ? Or Perhaps Yui "The Hack" Tanimura is going to try once more ?
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>>156974597
You don't need to crit someone to heal. You can just chug estus in their face and there's nothing they can do. Estus healing is ridiculous now.

Backstabs are also much harder to pull off than they were in DaS 1. If you get backstabbed you got outplayed plain and simple. You deserve to have your face crit off.

It's possible to land a lucky parry by spamming L2 but doing so will likely result in you getting backstabbed if your opponent has a clue.

In short: get gud.
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>no parries
>a fight ensues

>with parries
>get a lucky parry off
>insta kill from full hp

LEL GIT GUD SCRUB DONT YOU KNOW HOW PVP WORKS GOD IM SO GOOD AT THIS GAME
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>>156974909
Miyazaki is the CEO of Fromsoft. His words as such represent the entire company. Fromsoft as a collective are "done" with souls games, and won't be touching the IP for a very long time, if ever again. BAMCO owns the rights anyways, so whether or not another gets made is up to them, and who makes it is also up to them.
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>>156974939

I dunno dude, parries are just as much a part of the game as spacing and the hard cap on histun decay
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>>156974865
Complaining about lag is a completely seperate issue. Lag sucks in PvP but lagstabs are much less frequent than they were in DaS 1.

Overall the netcode seems to be better this time around.

Lag sucks but saying that you should remove backstabs and parries because of lag is just retarded.
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>>156974939
>no weapons besides fists
>a fight ensues

>with weapons
>get a lucky hit with a larger hitbox weapon
>insta kill from full hp

Do you understand how retarded you sound?
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>>156972698
Fucking 99 in every stat. Remove that shit.
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>>156974909
Bamco owns Souls, of course it'll go on
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>>156974939
If you got parried you got outplayed. End of story.

You deserve to die.

Complain about it all you want but parries and backstabs aren't going anywhere. They've been a staple of the series since Demon's Souls.
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>tfw caster
>any slightly competent player dodges 95% of the shit you throw at him
>ashtus system means you're always at a disadvantage HP wise
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>tfw have always used the sellsword twinblades my favorite weapons
>never seen anyone use them a couple of months ago
>see them all the time now
What the fuck happened, should i just switch to the gotthard's twinswords?
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>fighting someone at pontiff's
>get a big health lead
>he starts chucking Lloyd's at me for some reason
>he chugs back to full as soon as he tags me with one
>I'm missing a 1/4 of my health and now can;t heal
>fuck it, we keep fighting
>he's obviously getting increasingly salty as the fight goes on, chugs after every hit and keeps chucking Lloyd's to try and keep me from healing
>down to one hit from dead
>bait him into a parry
>chug a divine blessing right while he's on the ground
>proceed to run him out of Lloyd's, then run him out of estus and kill him
>A Connection Error has occurred
Sometimes this game makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
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>>156975324

And there are plenty of tools you do have against parrying. Dead angling is the most basic and a failed parry can give you a huge lead
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>>156975215
has that ever fucking happened? no

>>156975324
>it's in the game so it must be good

just like soul memory, huh?
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>>156974357
They had WAs right before as well, all the way back in DeS weapons with "special" R2 attacks would drain extra stamina and take a chunk of durability, giving durability a purpose without turning it into a chore and not interfering with spellcasting at all.
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>>156975484
Dead angling in DaS3 is a meme. Your attacks don't magically become unparryable just because you change direction. Please stop parroting reddit.
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>>156975397
>tfw no 'get the fuck off me' spells from DaS2
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>>156974939
>have a good fight
>land a good parry with them at half HP
>my dick when watching that HP bar drain from my hornet ring
>the animation
>the huge splattering of blood left afterwards
>imagining their despair as they are outskilled
>the pure satisfaction of knowing they attacked me with a parry tool out and regret it
better than weed
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>>156975535
>Dead angling in DaS3

We're talking about good Souls games though, not DaS3
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>>156974909
Same shit as other franchises like Halo or Metal Gear. Just because the original devs don't want to do it anymore doesn't mean the publisher isn't going to beat that dead horse until it turns into quivering cubes of jelly.

Better look forward to Kart Souls, Moba Souls, Clicker Souls, and Tennis Souls in the future.
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>>156975496
Yes. A lot. It's called a one-shot build.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6uA9yi3-lA

Maybe if you actually knew what you were talking about and didn't complain about basic combat mechanics you would know how to play the game and not get parried every time you retardedly run forwards with a one handed UGS.
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>watch trailer
>Yhorm pops out the casket and roars
>get hype as fuck
> A Lord of Cinder boss fight is one of the worst in the game in one of the worst areas of the game, ruined to reference a better Demon Souls boss for no reason
>fight is already a joke, but then they tie a NPC questline to it to make it even more anti-climactic
>too lazy to have the sword deal bonus damage against any other giant but Yhorm

Why didn't they just give DS3 more dev time?
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>>156975496
>parrying
>present in every souls game

>SM
>present in 1 souls game

Funnily enough, the best anti parry tool is in 2 too.
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>aldrich isn't dead in my game anymore
Guys what happened?
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>>156975496
>it's in the game so it must be good

I never said that. I merely stated that complaining about it is pointless. It's like complaining about headshots in an FPS. It's a core mechanic of the game.

I listed numerous reasons why the parrying system adds depth to PvP, rewards skillful play and precise timing whilst punishing R1 mashers and you just ignored it.

I can only assume that you're an assblasted scrub who got his ass parried and riposted one too many times.

Get fucking gud you scrub.
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>>156975535
Maybe you should actually test things yourself instead of saying stupid shit.
Yes, it works.
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>>156975496
>japanese
>full name is Naaaani Haiyai
>full on retarded, a huge fan of the souls series
>buy dark souls 3, even get to play it for a little bit before it ships worldwide
>playing Pyromancer, enjoying myself and the new game, using handaxe as a joke because why not, it's fun
>invaded
>oh shit gaijin.jpg
>invader has this huge ass ultra greatsword, looks like it might actually be the FUGS from Dark Souls 2
>swing
>he swings back
>swing again and hit him for 104 damage before being oneshot by the FUGS
>cry to miyazaki
>"FUGS Damage has been adjusted."
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Dodge rolls look stupid, and rolling doesn't help you avoid anything, it just makes you a target while simultaneously wasting a ton of energy

Instead there should be varying degrees of sidestep depending on encumbrance

Discuss
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>>156975767
DLC 2.
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>>156972698
>the requirement for players having to be on NG+ to see Gaylord phantom.
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>>156975397
FP is so goddamn limiting, holy shit
Even with the Dusk Crown Ring that literally takes your ember bonus away, 35ATT isn't enough FP to actually complete a fight against another player unless they're afk or something.

I remember in DaS2 where 40 attunement meant I could have 16 casts of great combustion on top of 3-8 casts of every single other worthwhile spell and never, ever had to worry about running out of casts in a single duel, on top of having consumable spell restoration items in case I did. Now I have ~6 casts of any spell before I need to chug blue juice
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>>156975673
bamco is garbage and thats why, expecting a game every year like it's the CoD of ARPGs

>>156975809
parries work in a 360 degree sphere and on failed bs attempts as well, dead angling is just a shield meme
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>>156975909
BB dashes were one of the best things to come from it.
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>>156975406
>tfw using darkmoon blade twinswords without even knowing who oroboro is
>get messaged that i'm a copycat oroboro cuck by an assmad host
>look up his videos

I just thought it was a cool build. Then again, I darkmoon blade everything, but the twinblades are just fun.
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>>156975909
Why not both? Witcher 3 handled it pretty well. BB too.
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>>156976003
>having DMB

I would hate you if I wasn't so fully committed to the whole LIGHTNING VALKYRIE PRINCESS (male) theme that I use Sunlight Blade over DMB regardless

I literally have one Concord from being summoned

ONE. Across ALL PLAYTHROUGHS.
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>>156976003
>using dmb
fag
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>>156975989
>parries work in a 360 degree sphere
No, they don't.
They work directly and when you're turned 180 degrees backwards (only on some relatively large weapons).
In any other situation you will be able to deadangle instead of getting parried 100% of the time.
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>>156975397
>previous games
Manage your stamina, casts and timing

>DaS3
Manage your stamina, fp, timing, spacing for chuggs and hp
Negative stamina? read a book while you wait
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>>156976182
Is there anything that /dsg/ won't shit on you for using these days?

It seems like just about everyhting is OP.
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>>156976180
Post character
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>>156975635
What is happening here?
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>>156975909
Rolls should just be a heavier looking tackle-leap-dodge kind of move with a longer recovery, weight dependent animations for lighter weight, and slight stagger at heavier weights when you smack into someone. Kick should be replaced with a sweet elbowing or the crossbow-tackle
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I want to be Kars


How do?
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>>156976285
Broken straight sword is the only correct way to play.
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>>156973920
Are you serious? Your currency is as weak as its ever been in the last 2 or 3 decades
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>>156976303

PS4 screenshots are a pain in the ass to transfer so NO
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>lightning spear can't be aimed or maneuvered

good fucking job fromsoftware

boy oh boy this faith build is going to be fun
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>>156976374
CE yourself 99 stats on SL1 and turn on infinite iframes plus speedhack plus no fall damage
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>>156976285
I never said it was OP, it's just slightly annoying.
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>>156976480
>lightning spears do 3 damage in ds3 without 60 faith
Good job From
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>>156976003
oro stole that build from the jap community anyway
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>>156975673
>Literally 3/4 of the game is spent pursuing Aldrich specifically
>The quest to kill that single lord takes up most of the game's narrative
>You literally stumble upon another Lord of Cinder entirely by accident while pursuing Aldrich
>their fight is a joke because they're an earlygame boss that can be parried and backstabbed, stunlocked/knockdown-chained like a normal poiseless enemy and have less HP that a single fucking darkwraith
>Countless NPC dialogue, lore and flavourtext builds up Aldrich to be this integral character to the plot and this big important important bossfight you'll finally have a showdown with
>Even Pontiff Sulyvahn's lore is literally just "oh by the way this guy works for Aldrich lol"
>finally face off against Aldrich
>it's literally just "lol remember Gwyndolin? DaS1 was the best!"
>fight is a joke that apes mechanically from the crystal sage, an earlygame boss.
>even the BGM is just a remix of Gwyndolin's music
>oh and don't forget O&S' bossroom in Anor Londo because DUDE THROWBACKS

Lets face it, Every character introduced in the intro cutscene of every souls game is a shitty, disappointing fight. Aldrich sucked, the Watchers sucked, Yhorm sucked, Nito sucked, BoC sucked, Seath sucked and Gwyn, Lord of "kiss me I'm parryable" Cinder sucked.

It's just the nature of these games and the ineptitude of their director.
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>>156976480
Get Lightning Stake as fast as possible if you want to have fun.
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>>156976424
I'd rather have a weak currency than 2 million refugees running rampant across my country thank you very much.

Some things are more important than >muh economy
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>>156976462
DO IT NOW
>>156976374
Get muscular wear that one helm that covers your hair and equip the manikin claws or something.
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>>156976462
>plug in usb stick
>copy screenshot from ps4 to usb stick
>unplug stick from ps4, plug in to pc, transfer screenshot to pc
>upload on 4chan

Takes a minute and a half at most, you know.
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>>156976602
wow, you sound like a pathetic cynic
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>>156975909
If I wanted to dodge left and right I'd play those 2.5D fighting games
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>>156976230
My blind ass can't see this that well but does that mean aiming my attack at their 3/9 o clock deadangles the parry?
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>>156976676
>not just making a twitter account and uploading there
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>>156976627
>I'd rather have a weak currency than 2 million refugees running rampant across my country thank you very much.

... the Welsh?
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>big manly strength weapons
>mostly vertical slashes
how the FUCK do i win in pvp with these weapons? please gib tips
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>>156976829
Abuse range and 2hit combos
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>>156976627
It's also only a short-term decline brought on by political uncertainty. There's no real grounding in the decline of the pound beyond the fact that currency traders are worried there will be unforseen consequences and pulled out to avoid risk. When those consequences don't materialize, the economy will stabilize. A small and temporary decline in currency value is good for trade in the short-term, and in the long term is definitely worth divesting from the globalist hogwash that is the EU and their refugee army.
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>>156975909
see
>>156976702
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What are some things that you find super strong but see no one bitch about?
Hollowslayer greatsword is too good
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>>156976912
>ultras
>2hit combos
Good luck with that.
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>>156976602
>you will never lead an army of darkwraiths against the abysswatchers

The lead-up to that boss fight was great, with the two darkwraiths slaughtering their way up to the boss door and the boss itself having multiple allies. Why didn't they go all the way with it? Why'd they throw it all away to make a dude on fire?
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>>156976829
>STR weapons
>win

Good luck, cuck.
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>>156976697
He's right though
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>>156977002
People overrate the hell out of the blender. It's a retard check and that's about it. The only thing exceptional about the hollowslayer is 540AR hyperarmor thrusts with pike range, and those are just "good"
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>>156974303
>>156974217
Also can you imagine any high school girl not falling for the international super star who is literally good at almost everything.

>captain of the quiditch team
>star and once in a generation level seeker
>naturally amazing at defense of the dark arts
>highest marks in potions in decades
>family is fucking loaded
>not just one but TWO trust fund inheritances from two wealthy families

What high school girl wouldn't go for all of that but go for

>red hair pale boy
>middle child
>not particularly good at anything
>family is poor

It's like choosing Robin when you could get Superman
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>>156977094
stop samefagging any time
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>>156976926
I agree completely.

I'm just humouring the eurocucks that go on about the pound losing value.

I honestly don't give a shit about the value of the pound as long as we don't import any more dirt people to this country.

Merkel can keep her rapefugees.
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>>156976676
>>156976629

No that sounds hard

Instead I have a valkyrie lightning princess (female) from PC because I can't be bothered to find my USB drive

>tfw this build literally only works against spin2winners since anyone who plays cautiously will never get hit by maximum oversunlightspear
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>>156977178
Superman is a fucking shithead tho.
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>>156977174
>blender
what?
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>>156976230
not him, but I'm sure I've seen back parry with a ss.
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>>156977297
It's spinny and kills retards
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>>156974807
Haven't seen this picture in years.
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>>156977178
Some girls prefer nerds, because popular do-everythings are usually fucking shallow and full of themselves. You don't grow as a person when your personality is never tested and challenged.
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>>156977275

Yes but he's a shithead who can do this to any Stacy who tries to bully you, while Robin's sole qualifier is that he has a nice ass and his dad is rich

Truly, Superman is the perfect boyfriend
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>>156977297
The 2HR1s hyperarmour frames get better the more you press R1.
The "Blender" refers to just standing and continuously performing delayed R1s to bait people into attempting to punish you, only to get trapped in a 600 damage combo that will reset into another combo it you roll in any direction that isn't straight backwards
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>>156977174
So, in other words, it's a good weapon that's not broken? That can't be a bad thing, right?

>>156977376
Mild heh.
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>>156977361
And longsword have bullshit phantom range making them larger than some greatswords so they certainly count as "relatively large weapons".
As long as you deadangle correctly you don't need to fear parries.
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>>156977517
Exactly.
It's not "too good" as that one anon put it. It's just a solid greatsword with some strong gimmicks.
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>>156977059
>anime reaction
>calling me cuck
Stones in glass houses etc etc
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I just finished all the ds3 achievements and I'm wondering whats a fun build I can make to go into the dlc with.
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>>156977448
And Robin's rich daddy can hire a hitman without making you a target for anyone trying to hurt Superman and lure him into yet another kryptonite trap. Robin doesn't have the kind of world-breaking enemies Superman tends to attract.
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>>156977583
>anime on 4chan

Reconsider whether or not you belong here, cuck.
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>>156977695
>cuck
Stop projecting.
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>>156974938
I got back stabbed today and it wasn't being outplayed it was due to lag.
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>>156977361
what shit fashion
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>>156977623

... but Robin's dad is best friends with Superman

At that point you end up sharing world-breaking enemies sometimes, to the point that Bats has taken bullets meant for Superman before, but somehow survived, because "lol peakhuman"
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>>156977787
In that case, blame someone's shitty internet connection, not a core mechanic of the game.
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>>156977868
The way the game's netcode handles poor connections is definitely a core mechanic to online multiplayer. If 100ping breaks the game then the failure lies directly with the developers.
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Someone wanna help me with Oceiros on pc? Pw is dsg
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>>156977808
Right. Superman has the kind of enemies that only Superman is equipped to handle. Robin has Batman as a direct mentor, Superman is the family friend, and daddy's loaded. Supes may be the strongest being on Earth, but from a bachelorette's perspective Robin has all the advantages over him on top of still getting Superman as a rescuer anyways.

Connections go a long way.
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>>156978000
I'll put my sign in front of the boss fog
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>>156972509
I just requested it, I never drew it

I had to request it for like a week before it got done, so I'll take what I can get
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>>156978000
>Bikini
Okay
>still wearing those bloodstained bandages
Not okay
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>>156977549
First YT result and the guy gets parried while using a dagger, so it can't be just range.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0rp-YZi36g
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>>156973297
>Demon Greataxe WA shouldve been Warcry
Thats actually a really fucking good idea, considering that the demon itself ALWAYS buffs itself, knocks you down, and then sets itself on fire, but hardly does the actual WA with a mile-wide radius. Fuck, the only good part of the current WA is that it catches people that dont know the splash zone, but still doesnt do much damage.
Really, you should also get the long range axe-dragging R2 because thats what the demon also does.
Fuck, why cant From just make unique weapons copy the enemies movesets?
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>>156977808
>>156977623
>>156978051
To be fair, when Superman's enemies do come after him, they're strong enough that the planet is at stake so even if you were Robin's girlfriend there's still a chance that you get caught in a Superman related crossfire, when people are slinging around stupid shit like kamehamehas and planet destroying attacks. So, you know. Date whoever you want. It won't save you.
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>>156978117
Would you rather see her scared up wrists?
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>>156975397
Yeah I was invading at sl30 in the cathedral for the past few days and killing noobs is sort of enjoyable since it's actually a fair fight.(ds2 I could 1v2 or 1v3 on the iron king bridge regularly as a pure caster)

Now I'm ds3 if I fight anyone who knows how to roll I can't actually hurt them with anything besides the occasional dart and trading hits with flash sword.

I'm starting to think casters are only good in groups while the enemy is busy dealing with something else
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>>156978206
Yes.
Or maybe at least some nice long gloves to go along with the new outfit instead of soiled rags.
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>>156978281
That's just filthy.
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>>156978191
In that case, Robin's probably safer to fuck. Superman's come would fire like ballistic weaponry and is probably radioactive.
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>>156978281
>that leg tapering
Holy shit that's horrifying
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>>156978281
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Am I in /dsg/? Stop with the offtopic, you cretins.
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>>156978281
>still can't draw noses
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Which twinblades are the least used?
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>>156978465
Don't bully scas
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>>156978472
Gotthard probably.
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>>156978454
>Superman
>Brexit
>Dead angling

Fuck's sake dsg
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>>156978472
Do all twin weapons count? Because Brigand Twindaggers and Drang Twinhammers are pretty rare.
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>>156978451
W-why is she so pretty, bros?
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>>156978000
Sorry, he was lagging all over the place if you lose you can summon me again.
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>>156978454
welcome to /v/
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>>156976926
>currency traders are worried there will be unforseen consequences and pulled out to avoid risk

But most of the average traders were going long on the pound before it just crashed.
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>>156978451
i'd frick it.
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>Profaned GS has this beautiful fire trail on its charged R2s
>no other weapon leaves trails when buffed with flame
Why?
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>Lightning spears are bad

Is this a meme? They're doing more damage than my backstabs and as much damage as 2 charged r2's
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>>156977427
But her and Harry had much deeper conversations than she had with Ron.

Ron couldn't even understand what they were talking about a lot of the time and he wasn't even a jock.

>Harry not being challenged and tested
>literally getting bullied and challenged to duels and fights to the death since a kid
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>heavy saints bident at 27STR/60FAI buffed with darkmoon blade
>like 320 damage per poke with that insane range and safety
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>>156979338
yeah, never got why people talk shit
i mean you probably won't hit anyone in pvp but invasions you can get 1k+ damage AND hyper armor on cast
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>>156977427

Ron isn't a "nerd" though. Ron is a poorfag with a gigantic family who's also pretty stupid.
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>>156978281
the nose is fine, but see the filename
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>>156979394
>holy saint
>with dark moon blade
Stop this.
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>>156978051
Maybe Robin was a bad example but Ron doesn't have any of the benefits that Robin has as Ron's family is dirt poor.
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What's the best class for a min/max quality build
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>>156979338
Sunlight Spears are good, but only at 50+ Faith.
The rest are shit and arent even situationally good like any of the Soul Arrows.
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>>156979338
Sunlight Spears and Lightning Spears are different spells, you know. Basic Lightning Spears certainly don't have particularly outstanding damage.
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>>156979715
knight
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>>156979715
Warrior if you wish to go absolute fuckface with stat efficiency and will never use FP
Knight if you wish to spend a few more levels for much better stat spread.
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>>156979848
why not use steak?
probably similar damage and an aoe
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>>156979715
Warrior unless you're going to use magic of any kind.
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>>156979848

That lack of hitstun decay though

Landing that melee sunlight spear allowed you to do so much damage
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>>156979715
Warrior has the least base points in Att, Fai, Int and Lck, same if Lck is factored out. Knight is second.
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>>156979862
What do you mean a few more levels for better stat spread?
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>>156979925

Steak does about 60% of the damage of Sunlight Spear, but it's good for catching people

Sunlight Spear is the single highest damage miracle, including WoG, which is super garbage now
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>>156979925
Didn't have it at the time. It's pretty great though, even if people with common sense will just bail on you.
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>>156980086
>Steak does about 60% of the damage of Sunlight Spear
are you sure?

i've seen SS hit for 1.2k but never more than 300 on steak
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>>156980070
warrior has 11 luck which does nothing for him if you ain't going for hollow quality
knight has 7, and those 4 points are in much better stats
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>>156979715
warrior for pure unadulterated quality
However knight gives you an attunement slot, 4 vit, and 1 int for a net loss of 5 points, which isn't a terrible deal if you're going to 120. If you wanted the point of int for a 9/9 weapon it'd be a net loss of 4 points in exchange for 4 on vit and 4 on attunement. Basically you're getting the equipload and attunement for half price, which is good and sometimes makes things worth it worth it, but if it's something you absolutely don't have a use for, don't buy it.
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>>156979715
Warrior but if you use WA and carry heavier stuff then knight is a decent choice. I'm using knight currently and WA plus being able to carry a few more weps was worth it.
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>>156977182
Oh fuck off dude, not everyone who disagrees with you is the same person.
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>tfw you get reverse-roll hornet backstabbed
It's literally like playing DaS1 all over again! I love that anything slower than a straightsword R1 can be instantly punished on-reaction with a 1k damage critical bug. It's a deep and nuanced chess game of only using a handful of viable weapons and never, ever attacking first.
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warrior is only good for pure str

knight for quality
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>>156980441
Like every other souls game. I love it too
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>>156980407
>bannd
?
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If I were to do a cospoor of Paladin Leeroy in DaS3, should I use Old King's Great Hammer for a weapon similarly shaped to Grant, or Morne's Hammer for an actual Paladin's weapon.
I probably wouldnt invest too much in Faith though, nothing like using it for Sunlight Spears. Heals and buffs maybe.
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>>156980174

I think so, I've seen Steak do 5-600 at point blank

I might be mistaking it for something else since I rarely use steak
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>>156979715

Warrior for pure physical and vit builds.
Mercenary if you use a lot of weapon arts.
Knight if you want both vit and fp.
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>Life Hunt Scythe

Why does this even exist? 0 thought was used when making this shit miracle.
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>>156980464
40/40/40/40 warrior build uses less levels. Only if you use the vit AND att knight is a better choice
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>>156980637
Why does anything exist?
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Does Irina drop the maiden set? Can't find it anywhere else. Should i kill her for it?
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>>156980580
;)
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>>156980189
Thanks for being so helpful. Could you perhaps show me a decent knight build at sl 120-125?
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>>156980583

If you intend to use Eygon's compensator, you will have like 50 faith anyway
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>>156980693
It's in Cathedral of the Deep by the feet of the first giant.
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>>156980693
Don't you fucking dare!
It's in the Cathedral, you fucking animal.
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>>156980527
DS2, BB (can't even be backstabbed unless standing still for 5+ seconds) and DeS didn't have hornet ring
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>>156980637
the damage it does it beyond a joke even if the speed was viable it wouldn't be worth the attunement slot

>>156980693
cathedral of the deep in the swamp part with the giants

>>156980583
morne's with faith
tears of denial too
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>>156979969
>net 400 damage
less than CBV, though he's low level so I wouldn't know how much better it gets when you invest more.
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>>156980693
No she doesn't the maiden set is in the cathedral of the deep by the giant by the big doors. Behind those doors is the saint's bident.
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>>156980779
Everything too slow can be punished on reaction too. Your big slow weapons will never reach the top tiers
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>>156980693

She's blind, why would she be looking at the Maiden in Black
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haven't played DS3 in a while, did they add any way to know the amount of people around your summon level in an area?
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>>156980464
WTF is this meme?

https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3

Check the optimal class finder.

The only reason to go knight over warrior is if you want to rely heavily on spells (i.e. more than 12 att)

If you want melee go warrior. If you want a caster you're probably better off with a pyro or sorcerer anyway.

Knight is a meme starting class.
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>>156980654
if you need 1 int (typically for 9/9), then if you level vit OR att knight becomes better
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>>156972698
Just i-frames

jamming the roll button merely for i-frames is silly concept and should be punished. If something hits you, you get hit.
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>>156980819

Well at high level ideally he'd be using Sunlight Spear + 2 R1s, which usually eats someone's healthbar whole
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>>156980910
>I never played Bloodborne
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>>156981063
>1 int
1 more int than warrior I mean, obviously all classes have at least 1 int
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>>156981063
No it doesn't. See >>156981010
Warrior has 5 levels of advantage for a generic quality build.
You'd need to invest 5 levels into att/vit/int combined for it to be worth less then knight.
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should i use a bonfire acetic on the rotten? or should i wait for ng+ to get the crypt black sword?
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>>156981286

Do you already have the Giantsoul from the Undergiants in that area?
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>>156980910
If any weapon in the game forces a roll, it's not punishable.
The exception is, of course, reverse-rolling with a hornet ring, which allows you to rollBS anything larger than a straightsword on reaction with 100% consistency.

It's great. If you're on the receiving end, you literally enter the backlstab animation before they even finish their roll. It's completely inescapable damage every time you press R1, which naturally means that gitting gud here involves never pressing R1. What an excellent game. Sasuga Miyazaki, the master.
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>cheat engine table in the Dark Souls 1 pastebin is locked

Well then
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>>156981618
just go on the CE forums, anon
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>>156981432
yeah, also i have sotfs edition. i dont think it will make that much of a difference
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>>156981286
Kill the giants under the gulch first
If you're a dark build with strength to spare, nothing will be better than the blacksword. It's definitely worth popping an ascetic for, especially if you already have ornifex unlocked to make it
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>>156981981

Then by all means ascetic that shit

The Rotten's pretty easy so giving him a health and damage boost won't change the fight much anyway
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>>156980721
Here you go.
For 120 go with 39 vig.
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>>156982091
i was going for a different build but now i want to use a soul vessel and respec. The thing is i dont know what stats i need. im only level 84
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>fighting someone passive
>they do nothing but backpedal, strafe and fish for whiffpunishes
>literally never attacks unless I attack first and miss
>swap to sun princess ring and start backpedalling, too
>new song comes on my playlist, it's about 4 minutes long
>we circle each other at a safe distance for the entire duration of this song, I've literally only got my thumb on the controller, holding the movement stick to the side
>song ends without him ever moving forward or attacking
>end up back to full health from the regen ring and we're still just circling each other
This is "fun" for some people. I can't even believe it.
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>>156982292
Absolutely retarded. Even with those stats you'd be better off as a warrior.

Knight is a terrible starting class.
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>>156982369
Look it up on the wiki.
The Blacksword only needs minimum stats and raw to outperform pretty much everything else you can find. The only limiting factor to it is the huge stamina costs, so make sure to leave yourself tonnes of endurance.
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>>156982292
Stop spreading misinformation, he could just go warrior for something like this
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>>156982531
>not baiting him into a parry
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What is this Cathedral? We never went here in the base game.
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>>156978465

You are supposed to look at her feetsies
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>>156982919
That's Anor Londo.
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>>156982531
I had an awful invasion where the host wouldn't leave the scaffolding in the Belfry area, and they had a friend with a greatbow sitting on the far ledge.

He miss every shot but it was a pain in the ass. Fun for some people.
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>>156982606
>>156982642
Warrior in this build only has 1 point of advantage, for 7 att, while the Knight will have 10 natural att which gives way better FP for WA.

In this case, Knight is better.
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So I never actually played the DLC for DS2. What do you guys think is the most fun PvE build to experience that shit? I know literally nothing about them going in.
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>>156982606
Warrior saves off a few points by investing into an irrelevant shit stat unless you want a hollow quality. Knight's vitality allows to equip a few more points of armor and has a little higher absorption which more than compensates negligible level difference and also can afford more weapon arts, making it perfect for quality builds.

The only one retarded here is you.
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>>156983142
Go full physical build. Most enemies will laugh off your magic
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>>156982292
see? warrior is clearly superior
check dat 16 vit
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>>156983228
The retarded here is you. That's not why Knight is better in this situation as you can reach 15 VIT with a Warrior on the same level and stats.

What you sacrifice is FP.
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>>156983142
Str/fai served me well enough.
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>>156978281
>ywn have those legs wrapped around your neck
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>>156983238
So just straight 40/40 or do weapon buffs on infused weapons still reign supreme?
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>>156983068
>better FP for WA

Are you memeing me? You can't possibly be arguing that having more attunement for using your WA makes the knight better.

Knight is the reddit of starting classes. It's for people who have no fucking clue what they're doing.

A melee focused build is much better off starting as a warrior.
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>>156983142
Tanimura learned from the base game and built the DLC's to laugh at all elemental damage. You're going to be shitfucked unless you have at least some physical damage output.
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>>156983292
Oh no, one point vitality advantage for 4 point attunement disadvantage, what a trade.
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Anyone want to help me farm sunlight medals in Dark Souls 2 Sotfs Ps4 version.Im on ng+ and tring to get summon for the rotten fighr for easy sunlight medal farms
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>>156983525
>DaS2
>PS4
>NG+
Sorry for your loss.
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>>156983434
Physical or bust. Elemental resistances are retarded high for DLC mobs.
Bosses are fine for a buffbuild
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>>156983238
>Most enemies will laugh off your magic

The bosses weren't laughing went they got hit by Climax with easy 5000 souls you can get from any mook in the DLC.
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>>156978281

>Her dad is mad that his daughteru gets sexualized
I'm proud that I got it the 3rd time
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>>156983292
>using a chain offscreen
>being a bitch nigga
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>>156983486
>attunement
>on a melee build

Stop it.
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>>156983486
Then he an run pic related, or move on att point into int.
Face it, there is absolutely no reason to run Knight, ever, unless you make use of his high vitality, which most builds don't.
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>>156983434
You're better off using weapon buffs instead of infusions so that you add elemental damage on top of the most physical damage possible for the weapon. Infusing an element reduces the base physical damage as well as the scaling, reducing the physical damage output by a lot. Even if the weapon innately deals damage of that element, the smaller physical loss is still a loss.

>>156983597
>using Dark against Fume Knight or Elana
I'm sorry for your loss.
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>there a bunch of maggot hollows that are banging their heads against nothing but making a noise

....why?
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>>156983692
>her
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>>156983697
With chain it looks like this
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>>156983780
No anon, you are clearly retarded.
Why chose between them if you can have both of them at once?
Knight is especially good if you want to fit a blessed weapon onto your build while still keeping points in vitality which makes it far better than anything warrior can accomplish.
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>>156978281

Kreimhild is truly best waifu

Do you think she sodomizes Albert and Kamui on a daily basis with a crystal soul strapon
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>>156983879
you're being memed, fool
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>>156983936
If you want to fit blessed weapon Cleric is the best.
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>>156983963

Why are they even attacking me
Albert is a fucking traitor and helped me earlier
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>>156984029
>13 luck
Go away retard.
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>>156983936
>a blessed weapon onto your build while still keeping points in vitality which makes it far better than anything warrior can accomplish.

Okay now I know you're trolling. Nobody can be this dumb.
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>>156984118
Don't worry anon, you might actually shit out actual counter arguments if you try hard enough. Just try it. I have my faith in you.
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>>156984070

Albert is weird because he black crystals out if you murder Emma in front of him (i.e. abandoning you to the Dancer), so he's probably loyal to Lothric

Kamui is the last of the Black Hands loyal to Lothric, unlike that faggot quitter Gotthard

Kreimhild probably just loves them scrolls
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>>156984084
The try it. You'll see it's better.
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>>156984029
not going Mercenary and buffing with magic weapon
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Finished my first playthrough of DS3, now I wanna speed through again on a new character to gear up for PvP.

If I go offline and just use god mode in CE, no stat changing or items or anything, will I get softbanned?
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>>156984029
you only need 10att and 10fai plus the faith ring
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>sick of meta shitters
>make a meta shitter build
>lose every time
>even to non meta shitters
I'm so opposed to cancer that I can't even become it, fuck
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>literal autists still arguing about 10 SLs that won't even matter in the end
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is Kings ultra gs bugged in ds2?

the rolling attack consumes double stam
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>>156984346
Probably not
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>>156984249
Lol nice try kiddo.

Multiple people have already proven how wrong you are and that the knight is one of the worst possible starting classes yet you keep defending it.

We get it. You started as a knight because reddit told you so and now you're trying to defend your retarded choice.

I'm laughing at you m8.

For the guy who wants to roll a quality build: don't be a retard like this guy. Start as a warrior.
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Post UNDERRATED weapons
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You fags can stop arguing now.

This is the only acceptable build.
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>>156984443
>he doesn't know
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>finally cave in and embrace the quality meta
>I now use every strength weapon better than a strength build
>ultras finally do the damage they deserve to do and kill most people in two stunlocks instead of 3+change
>maces hit as hard as greatswords
>axes are actually powerful and can compete against meta 1H weapons
>can answer glaives with a 700AR great machete that both outranges and outtrades them
>all while having access to all of the top-tier meta weapons with their optimal AR for dealing with other metashitters.
I can see now that this is really the only way to play the game. I suppose why fight bad balance when most of the game's variety is locked behind this arbitrary stat investment.
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>>156984517
>muh leddit
>>>/v/
>>>/out/
>>>/trash/

Now how about actual counter arguments, my friend?
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>>156984542
nice bleed build
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>>156984664
You're the one that needs to disprove the argument that warrior is by far the best starting class for a quality build.

Still waiting...
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>>156984532

Literally shit. You're better off with any other spear
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>>156984532
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>>156984728
>bleed build
>11 luck

Are you retarded?
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>>156984476

It's fine, From hates STR.
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>>156984884
No, he's fucking with you. Obviously.
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>>156984751
I'm still waiting for counter arguments for my post which you simply brushed off as a "trolling" as it was the last sensible thing in this chain of replies.
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>>156984595
Let me tell something even more interesting. You aren't playing it any different from a 66 str build. Everyone who complains about refined is unable to realise that, if the only difference between their weapons is their damage, their playstyle won't change at all. In fact, if refined was nerfed, the variety of the game wouldn't change at all too.
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>>156968438
>tfw no jrpg where you party up as the four knights and go on a quest for gwyn to slay a powerful dragon
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So will Bamco still softban me in SotFS if i use the deadzone fix? It's fucking retarded that I even have to worry about this, but I just don't want to get fucked over somehow since I just bought the game on sale and want to play with a buddy.
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>>156984532
Trying it out on my faith build along with lothric's holy sword

The range is totally deceptive, and it gets some pretty sexy AR with lightning blade.
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>>156984993
Tell us again how attunement is useful for quality builds. I could use a good laugh mate.
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>>156985026
Gameplay variety for each individual weapon wouldn't change at all, but build variety would. Build variety is the one that determines what other weapons a character can use, and normally would prevent someone from swapping out their Yhorm's for a Washing Pole without more than a few sacrifices in one area or another.
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>>156983936
But why do you need vitality? Its returns are always inferior to vig until very high SLs.
FaP + base vit is enough to carry most stuff plus an armor in each slot.
The only reason to pick a knight is if you want more armor for fashion reasons, which is justifiable, but we're talking about which generic build makes the most of their SLs
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>>156983841
So then the only question is, is it better to go 40/40 and just use consumable buffs or 40 of one and then a magic stat to allow weapon buffs and utility spells?
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>>156983292
Thanks to the anons who helped me out with the build making. I didn't intend for you guys to get into an argument but I'll go with this build I think. What rings would you recommend besides Fap ring
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When will From buff the heavy infusion?
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I wished they completely removed the stupid S,A,B,C,D,E symbols and replaced them with the actual % boost you will be getting.
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>>156985278
>But why do you need vitality? Its returns are always inferior to vig until very high SLs.
We're talking about SL125 builds that can softcap vigor just fine and then a few points of flat resistance and a few more % of absorption can save your ass.
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>>156984791
found a retard
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>>156985390
Never. Instead, they'll make 1-3 twinkling weapons with pure strength scaling in this and the next DLC and people will talk about how awesome Strength is while forgetting about the infusion.
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>>156985110
Pretty sure no. I used the deadzone fix ever since I first installed the game back in June and I used ds2fix until a few weeks ago, which I removed because of fears of softbanning (pretty sure it doesn't do anything anymore since the durability bug, the main reason for my using it, was apparently fixed). And I still saw summon signs on the ground as recently as yesterday.

The bigger problem is that since PVP is largely dead because of DaS3 existing, and Soul Memory, there's no real point in trying to not be softbanned.
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>>156985329
Fap and cloranthy are always good. After that it's personal preference.

If you're invading, obscuring ring is always handy. Hornet ring and Leo ring are good depending on your playstyle. Sun princess ring is also good in long fights.
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>>156985329
Life is a must. the rest you can swap during.
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>>156985390
There's no need to as it is fine as it is, being an optimal infusion for low-level builds wanting to utilize more STR-oriented weaponry before they hit level ranges that allow to change your build into the quality.
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>>156983865
because the game was made out of bloodborne's scraps and rushed within 5 months
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>>156985557
>>156985530
Thank you friends, Ive mostly done pve in Dark souls so thanks for educating moi in pvp shite
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>>156985270
I'm using a shitload of weapons already with just 40STR/16DEX on lower level build, including clearly non-STR oriented weapons like corvian greatknife. Virtually nothing will change if i go full quality.
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>>156985463
Show me a build capping 50 vig at 125 while not hurting end and their damaging stats.
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Thought:
DLC adds a casting medium that can channel all non-dark sorceries, pyromancies, and miracles, while losing spell buff power the more hollow you are.
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>>156985596
Stop deluding yourself. Its completely shit for people who invests heavily into strength for late game and want to use something other than greataxe and greatclub.
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>>156983974
Actually, I hadn't counted the total stats, I really thought he had chain because of the 16 vit. Oops
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>>156985802
Who was talking about 50 vig?
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>>156985596
>it's fine

It's not fine when refined is better even for strength builds.
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>>156985132
Not the guy you're replying to but SS WA R2's pretty good. Spin WA's are also useful when you're expecting a parry and want to do something other than sprint for the BS.
I find knight to be a more fun class because it allows for more armor variety and more WA use. Though I guess that's not really what the argument is about.
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What does "quality build" mean? Is it the most well rounded build you can have for a Soul Level or something like that?
And if I wanted a quality lvl 80 build, what would that look like?
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>>156985929
Until 50 vig, any point into vig is worth more than a point into vit, so if you're maxing survivability, vit isn't that relevant
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>invade "black kn1ght" twice
>cosplay
>always starts off with the bk sword and shield equipped
>does nothing with them and then switches to the bkgs
>gets fucked and then switches to the bk glaive
>but
>de equips everything first
>spends a good few seconds in the menu
>whilst backpedaling 40 ft away
is hotswapping really that difficult
Also I keep getting 4 hit comboed a lot recentrly, the fuck is going on
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>>156985987
40 Str/ 40 dex is quality

For SL 80 27/40 2h will perform just as good.
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>>156985636
No, I thought that when I first found one. But there's five or more, it's absolutely deliberate.
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>>156985887
And why the fuck would you continue to invest in one stat past softcap? The only thing that changes is numbers on your screen, your playstyle stays the same.
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>>156985807
Nobody is hollow in NG+ though, and dark spells are bad anyways. It would just be everyone's favorite catalyst even if it was literally just the Crystal Chime with pyromancy.
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>>156985987

Quality means 40/40 in Str and Dex, or 27/40 if you're planning to 2 hand.
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>>156985026
When I can kill people in two combos, doing 470 a hit, my playstyle is definitely very different from when I'm barely doing 290 and take 3 or 4 full combos. I'm able to enjoy using ultras because they're doing the damage necessary to support the playstyle which is actually enjoyable to use them with. When I was a 66str Heavy build and I struggled to break 500AR with all but the FUGS, it simply wasn't that enjoyable to use them. Now instead of needing to consistently outplay someone twice as fast as me across a fight that lasts an overage of 3 minutes, I can rely on setups, baits and gimmicky tricks to score one of the two hits I need to end a fight in under 60.

Sure, I'm not any better off vs washing poles, but now I can hardswap to an estoc and BK shield and bully washingpoles with their own medicine instead of letting them have their way.

I can actually play my high risk/high reward weapons with a high risk/high reward playstyle instead of playing like a bitch because any amount of risk ends in low reward.

Also the FUGS is hot fucking trash and I hate it. I hate needing 40 endurance to do what a zweihander does with 25 and I hate thrusts that don't do thrust damage and I hate two-hit combos that never combo for two hits. The FUGS can go FUG itself, all of the levels saved by going 66str instead of 40/40 are lost in the extra vitality and endurance needed just to make this enormous piece of hot garbage function.
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It's just me or the Dragonslayer Greataxe is better as a pure STR than a str+faith?
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>>156985057
You can cosplay the knights in 3 and pretend that it's a decaying Kingdom where the knights got sent to to kick ass.

Overall I'd love to see cool themed co-op runs like Reah and the clerics and Shiva+Ninja buddy.

Or Alva, Zullie and Saint Serreta.

Personally I just started a "Slayer of Demons" run in DS3 where I'll only use items that were or had a direct equivalent in Demon's, use upgrade paths that existed in that game (and rather than going quality on everything, get shard Uchi, Heavy Battle Axe, Fire Longsword, Blessed Lucerne,Simple Falchion and so on) and only use a single bonfire per area+boss bonfire.
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>>156985325
Dex scales about half as well as Str in terms of damage bonus, but the two also get the most in attack bonus between 30 and 40, so not maxing them out to 40 can screw you out of a lot of the potential damage you're getting.

Most utility spells aren't all that useful outside of a few situations, and even then you can shrug that off via other consumables like mosses and lifegems. Soul Arrow can maybe be good for picking off distant enemies without committing to arrows, but given how dead the PVP is, Soul Memory doesn't matter a whole lot.

At the end of the day I'd say that any build can still carry you through the game, since as a desperation move you can just use a Raw infusion to up your damage. I beat Fume Knight using a Hex build that had enough Faith to let me buff my Syan's Halberd with Sunlight Blade, but it still took me a bunch of tries.
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>>156986146
Yep.
The faith scaling is ass and it doesn't have enough base lightning damage for a split-stat build to be efficient

Treat it like a Great Machete with a permanent pine resin rather than a faith greataxe.
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>>156985980
The knight is objectively worse than the warrior for quality builds.

If you want to gimp yourself and level vit and att because you find it "fun" then be my guest but please don't spread misinformation to new players.
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>>156986072
There it is, the apologist mindset. Gee, maybe because I want certain weapons to better with specific stats than everyone running around with 40/40 bullshit being completely dominant with every weapon.
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>>156986179
>no dmb fugs
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>>156986290
>maybe because I want certain weapons to better with specific stats
And you get this. On lower levels.
It's like complaining that in DS1 the only thing you see past SL100 is 27/40 quality, kek.
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>>156986179
Too bad Doran's armor is now super heavy in DaS3.
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>>156985636
False, actually. Development for DaS3 apparently began in 2013, while DaS2 was still in the works and only one year after Project Beast began.

It's still a rushed as hell game, and the game did benefit significantly from utilizing Bloodborne's engine, but they did not shit it out from scratch within the span of one year.
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>>156986146
Its actually another quality weapon don't let the scaling fool you.
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Why do I play way worse when I buff my weapon with resin?

It's like the sound distracts me or something, I just can't concentrate.
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>>156986451
All things are quality weapons, anon. Even Yhorm's, because 40str can still two-hand and be 60str.
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>>156986443
Miyazaki mentioned in one of the early post-reveal DaS3 interviews that the game had begun under the supervision of a different director without his involvement and that when he took over the project after becoming CEO, he immediately scrapped everything they had done already because he didn't like the direction that the game was taking.
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>>156986564
A 40/40 Yhorm's wastes 31 levels that do absolutely nothing for your character. Also a 60str Yhorm's has less AR than a 60str heavy greataxe. You need the 66+2H bonus to really make Yhorm's machete shine and justify that enormous stamina cost
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>the warriors who are both strong and dexterous are better than just strong or just dexterous
Call the fucking presses.
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>>156986578
Apparently he made the right choice, because that shit sold like hotcakes and still has people defending weird design choices like agility and SadoMasochism.
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>>156986278
It's not gimping if it gives you way more options (both build-wise and mid-battle) at a very low cost, good players use Knight for the ATT and VIT as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXO08R0vkQw
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>>156986546
I think that's because you're subconsciously rushing to make maximum use of the buff. It's also why Poison was good in DaS1 despite not doing much damage. It was good at playing headgames with hosts who got aggressive and started making more mistakes.
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>>156986682
delet
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>>156986682

Honestly all weapons that aren't ludicrous anime weapons should be Quality
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>>156986682
I always did think quality being the best made sense
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>>156986065
>>156986107
thanks

are there different builds for magic users? Or is quality strictly a melee thing?
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>>156986408
You're fucking retarded. DS1 had weapons like Demon Greataxe which completely dominated as pure STR. The BKGS performed just as well with STR investment than it did quality.
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>>156986679
Sure, but a 40/40 can still use it on top of using everything else in the game.

>>156986682
More like

>the warriors who are pretty strong and pretty dexterous are better in every way than the warriors who are superhumanly strong or impossibly dextrous

We aren't talking about one build with 30 extra levels in offense compared to two others, we're talking about three different builds with less than 10 levels difference between them, and one build being blatantly better than the others.
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>>156986875
>Demon Greataxe
the only thing that demon's greataxe was dominating in is getting your anus wide open for backstabs
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How is Darkdrift as a weapon? I heard its special move got buffed.
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>>156986873
Magic has 60int, or 60fth, or 40int/40fth. Not much point using spells at anything less.

>>156987018
Still bad. They actually buffed more than just its special skill, but it didn't help much.
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>>156987018
Its a katana
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>>156987018
Related, how is Bloodlust? I want to go full Maria-tier unapologetic edgelord.
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>>156986993
>moving goalposts
typical shitsouls 3 cocksucker
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>>156986936
>superhumanly strong or impossibly dextrous
That is impossible thanks to softcaps.
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>>156974319
>virgin
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Why is so annoying to fight against people who duel running round unlocked? For some reason I just want it to end as fast as possible
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>>156986682
>a clumsy overhead chop where you just flail the weapon into the ground like a primitive ape benefits greatly from being dextrous
>strength determines how well a sharp edge cuts bare flesh, even though the amount of force needed to cut flesh with that sharp edge is less than what a preteen girl could apply
Yeah, makes perfect sense.
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>host and his phantom are ganking
>kill the phantom
>invader comes along
>they had prism stones down so he thinks its a fucking FC and squats like a retard on the sidelines
>heal up because the phantom got half my health and the fucker is using a glaive
>honobru invader runs in and r1 spams me to death with his glaive alongside the host
I swear to fucking god glaive users drive me up the motherfucking wall
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>>156987083
Are quality builds what everyone is using for PVP? I never got into PVP but want to try it.
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>>156986875
>Demon Greataxe
Yhorm's Great Machete or Heavy-infused Greataxe dominate as pure STR as well. So what? STR weapons were shit in DS1 pvp and all good weapons were either dex- or quality, with quality being able to squeeze more AR out of even dex weapons.
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>>156986791
>tournament at pontiffs instead of an actually good arena
>idiot rushing down a buff with a limited duration instead of timing it out
>1H carthus
>unironically blocking a guardbreak in a competitive fight
Holy christ this is bad. It's actually embarrassing to watch.
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>>156986791

That's starting to look like DaS2...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJCnr7RnvXs
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>>156987207
>force needed to cut flesh with that sharp edge is less than what a preteen girl could apply
Please never post on this board ever again.
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>>156986936
At 40/40 you might as well just use the Great Machete and have the same reach and damage for significantly less stamina cost and weight.
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>>156986682
You're missing the point. Dark Souls isn't a simulator.

If Quality builds are always better and more efficient than going full strength or DEX there's less incentive to make more characters/builds than shitting out the same 40/40 Quality without having to make any choices. The problem with DS3 is that too many weapons that should be pure STR are for some reason quality scaling and the quality infusion is 2stronk due to the scaling benefits. Quality should be balanced by losing out in AR to STR/DEX due to having less scaling but balancing the STR/dex scaling. As it stands, too many weapons start as quality when they should be clearly either STR/DEX weapons.
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>invaded in the road of sacrifices
>all caps name
>fallen knight's set
>katana
>caestus
>has at least 10 base estuses

did I just encounter xxSephirothxx29
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>>156987275
This wasn't about PvP you fucking retard. Its about invesment for damage. The fact that you had to bring up Yhrom and Greataxe goes to show how limited shit souls 3 is. Investing into pure STR, and minimum dex didn't result 50-100+ AR loss like shit souls 3.
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>>156987097
On a pure dex build it's the highest AR katana while buffed, but it's also one of the shortest and you lose the katana weapon art, one of the best in the game.
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>fight guy with miracles
>he has a backup dark broad sword
>it deals as much damage as his spells, it's way faster, way safer, has practically no startup

I hate how overpowered ss are. We've had broken weapons before but this is a whole class.
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Should I run and grab the Fire Keeper Soul in New Londo real quick?

I don't I handle the place yet, but it's right there, so I should be able to grab it and run right back to the Firekeeper, right?
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>>156987406
>he fell for the myth that cutting with medieval weapons requires strength
Embarrassing. There's no reason a curved sword, especially one that causes blood loss, should benefit meaningfully from being STRONG. The entire design of the weapon is to cut skin effectively with minimal force applied.
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>quality
>build
Build implies that there was a choice to be made. Quality is the ONLY choice at current meta with the current weapons. What do you sacrifice for going quality? Useless spells that never hit and do shit damage. Not even weapon buffs, since resins exist and quality ALSO BENEFITS HEAVILY FROM THEM. I mean fuck, you can take a STR scaling weapon, go 40/40, slap refined on it and get as much if not MORE damage than a 60STR build does with a heavy version of that weapon. What the fuck.
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>>156987508
Bloodborne was even worse for this shit.
It's like they took everything broken about the saws and applied it directly to straightswords in 3.
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>>156985530
>Fap and cloranthy are always good. After that it's personal preference.

Life ring is far more mandatory than chloranthy

>>156981281
read what I said

>if (you need one more int), then (if (you level vit OR att) then (knight becomes better))

If you need that one point of int for a 9/9 weapon like the ever popular gargoyle flame spear, then the warrior now only has a 4 point advantage, with 4 more luck and 4 less attunement and vitality. Putting on single attunement slot will bring it up to the same SL as a knight, only it'll have 4 more luck and 4 less vit, which is a net loss since unlike vit, luck actually makes zero difference as opposed to just a small unnecessary one.On the contrary, just leveling vit will cause them to be identical but with the knight having a free attunement slot instead of a completely wasted 4 points on luck. So long as you need that one point of intelligence, you only have to level vit or att for it to be worth it, not both.
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>>156987446
>Dark Souls isn't a simulator.
This doesn't excuse a lack of common sense of every person crying about muh dex or muh str. Both of those feel fine at lower levels and they are free to stay there. But if someone has both dex and str he is a better fighter than those two, plain and simple.

I have both STR and DEX builds around SL50-60 and they feel great. Retards are just complaining because softcaps exist.
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>>156986791
>all that item swapping
>muching grass every 5 seconds
How many nukes does it take to cure Nippon of such cancer?
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>>156987793
In fact, I'm pretty sure the only weapons that are better pure str than quality are the ones that have no dex scaling at all, or the strength-leaning ones which can't be infused, like Yhorm's or the FUGS.

Greathammers are the only weaponclass in the game in which none of their infusable weapons are better as refined under any circumstance.
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>>156987645
Nigger you're trolling or retarded and for your benefit I'm going to assume it's the former.
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>>156987892
>jinwoo chung
Looks chingchong to me, man. Probably just imported a bootleg jp copy because that's all China has ever been good at.
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>>156985270
Not that much.

Here's a thing I just made, picking Yhorm's and Demon greataxe in 1 and 3, since that's what you used. Both comparing the same stat investment in either full STR or a quality build (who'd be using more weapons)
As you see, the AR difference is even greater in 3 than in 1, but quality is used more in 3 despite that. It's definetly not a problem with the scaling of such weapons.
(warrior would be 62/62, I forgot to swap from knight)

>>156986124
See above, heavy weapons viablity in 3 has nothing to do with quality scaling, even if refined beats heavy on base dex requirements, well, why not invest into a refined gem giving you free AR without changing your actual build at all?

The problems STR weapons have in 3 aren't about 40/40 being better than 66 str for some of them, it's their movesets and the general way 3 plays like. It's actually very annoying people need to complain about AR every time instead of pointing out how swing speed and HA frames determine how useful they are. It makes me think people don't care about STR weapons besides the raw numbers because their AR is the last of my complaints in 3 and I'd be more than happy to play the game with unchanged AR but an actually useful HA system
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>>156987563
Technically you can do it, but in the very beginning of the the you probably have so little VIT that the extra healing power doesn't matter that much. You'll get one from Parish anyway and can come grab it when you're ready to go to Blighttown.
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>>156986791
>Dark Souls pvp tournament
Play a real fighting game you faggots
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>>156987645
>He fell for the swords are sharp meme
You're not going to cut any halfway-decent armour with any sort of sword. Your best bet is actually bludgeoning through it, which is why a lot of extant sword techniques look more like wrestling than kendo
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>>156986179
>Alva, Zullie and Saint Serreta.

I want to do this playthrough but no one plays ps4 in this thread
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Weapons should just stop scaling off of Dex. Dexterity, by definition, isnt something that would determine how hard something could hit. It also doesnt determine fucking casting speed. Itd determine how well you wielded it, or if you were even proficient enough to wield it at all.
Dexterity should just become a barrier-of-entry stat. Shit like Yhorm's or a Great Club takes no dexterity because all you have to do is swing at an enemy and crush them with the sheer weight of the weapon. Using a katana or a dagger properly could take finesse, but it really wouldnt benefit your damage to become more dextrous with it.
DaS needs more weapons like Morne's. Ludicrously high barrier of entry, big payoff. Its the only way really promote build and weapon variety: make it impossible for them to use more weapons by raising their requirements.
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Why people choose pvp spots with retarded lightning that you'll FOR SURE get sick off?

>iron keep red bridge
>pontiff vomit blue
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>>156987839
The softcaps should still be higher and FTH/INT should affect the elemental damage of resins and infusions.
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>>156988318
b-b-b-but muh nippon steeru forded one birrion timesu ;_;
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>>156987839
>muh dex or muh str
but they're right. If I go 66/13 for a piked mace (a pure str weapon) I'm allocating 79 stat points of investment. Going to 80 points of investment for 40/40 instead should not yield such drastically enhanced returns.

>>156988117
>The problems STR weapons have in 3 aren't about 40/40 being better than 66 str for some of them, it's their movesets and the general way 3 plays like.
That's the bigger problem for sure, alongside stamina consumption and the lack thereof on other weapons, but that doesn't deny the claim that the refined infusion would be better off removed.
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>>156988384
>The softcaps should still be higher
This would be absolutely retarded.
>FTH/INT should affect the elemental damage of resins
Thank fucking god you're not a game designer because you just want an SL500 meta apparently.
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>>156988318
>big payoff
>Morne's
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>>156988151
Nigga, that's why curved swords straight up tell you "attacks are greatly compromised against armoured targets"
They are sharp swords designed to cut flesh of unarmoured or lightly armoured targets by distributing the force of an attack in a cutting motion efficiently. They need very little strength to break skin and draw blood, and no amount of strength will make them effective against plate armour or even quality mail.

Except that's not the case in game, and instead we have curved swords that benefit immensely from strength and cut through solid steel plate like butter by bludgeoning through clumsily.

Let's face it, quality scaling is a poor gameplay abstraction that doesn't make sense on a large number of weapons it's applied to. You don't need to be strong for a cutting edge to be effective against exposed skin, and no amount of strength will make it effective vs armour. You don't have to be dexterous to let a massive hunk of iron come down over your head and slam into the earth, and no amount of dexterity will somehow make that action more harmful to whoever is underneath.
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>>156988460
>66
In other words you're going past softcap then crying that you're not getting any returns anymore. Stay at lower levels where your AR for that thing are optimal for one attack stat investment instead of two, retard.
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>>156988318
>DaS needs more weapons like Morne's. Ludicrously high barrier of entry, big payoff
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>>156988321
I always thought Iron Bridge was a bit ugly, but I don't mind pontiff. It also has the added bonus of being the Aldrich Faithful zone.
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>>156988321
>Irithyll
>not beautiful
Fuck off heretic.
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>>156988102
All gooks etc etc
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>>156988526
Maybe a bad example. Great Hammers in general could stand to be greater. Still though, having 600 AR, Persevearence+1k damage WoG at 50 str 30 faith is pretty good. Its a great bundle deal, the class could just use some work.
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Sweet fucking jesus christ unparryable attacks is more of a curse than a blessing
>invade cunts
>every cunt two hands their big meme weapon while the straight sword use in the back gets ready to stunlock me for them
>the fact that my own big meme weapon is unparryable means jack shit in the face of this
>get anally raped
>finally parry the ss user
>get backstabbed out of iframes
nevermind, I'm seeing nothing but bk glaives now
not that they're parryable if the user has any fucking modicum of sense
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>>156967405

I keep reading unsourced comments about how DSIII isn't going to be the last entry in the series, or that Miyazaki is open to doing more, but all the sourced comments say the opposite.

Which is it going to be, is DSIII the last or not?
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>>156988619
>swords are sharp IRL
>swords were even used in serious combat IRL
o i am laffin
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>>156988315
I'll try to procure a PS4 early next year so maybe we can co-op then.

>>156988321
Redditbridge is good because there's a completely bossfight in there which allows you to keep the area open. Also, there's a bonfire close by and a monitoring area for hosts. Same with Pontiff's and Townshit.
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>>156988724
You've clearly never used a GH. They are by far the worst weapon class in the game, worse than whips.
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>>156988778
try to not be a one trick parry ponies
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>>156988794
I think it means don't expect dark souls 4, or another souls anytime soon, but that people like it enough that we're likely to get another soulslike eventually
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>>156988860
As someone who has used them extensively the regular hammer class is probably worse.
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While were talking about the realism and practicality of DaS weaponry and scaling, can we also address the fact that many weapons in the game, despite not being thrust weapons, still have their riposte animation as a thrust THROUGH the enemy?
DaS2 made all these new animations for this shit and then they just didnt adapt or use them for DaS3. What the fuck?
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>>156988672
I despise Pontiff's because the piercing white albedo spewing off every surface. Every time my camera accidentally pans to let that blazing moon into view the silver-white photonic vomit fills my screen and blinds me. If I spend a few hours playing there, like during the Vicar event, it legitimately gives me eye fatigue and headaches.

I don't understand why this community always picks areas with obnoxiously loud ambient SFX and explosive diarrhea of bloom to be pvp hotspots.
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>>156989024
>DaS2 made all these new animations for this shit
And all of them were fucking ugly with the exception of spear backstab.
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>>156988639
>complain about a problem with softcaps
>"Ha! You're just complaining about a problem with sotcaps! Gotcha!"
it's like you're actually retarded or something
pointing out the problem that I'm highlighting about doesn't make it go away, it literally does the opposite
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>>156989024
Because fuck ds2
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>>156989089
Open DS3
Hold a Curved Sword
Hold R2
Tell me it looks good
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>>156988992
That's debatable but possible.
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>>156989116
How did you even find this place, Miyazaki?
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>>156989108
There's no problem with softcaps, they are here for a reason to discourage mindless leveling to the 99 in every stat. The only problem is with retarded DS3 community full of newfags. Quality being one of the best builds possible in DS1 was accepted as a given. But when DS3 does the same it's somehow not okay at all.
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>>156989024
>ds2 lance backstabs
>ds2 lances in general

I want them back but they'd be bad anyway in the land of bloodrings and endless free rolls
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>>156989198
Yet DS2 managed to make much worse and uglier animations.
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>tfw a mace with B/E scaling becomes B/B with refined, and is equalized to the extent that it gains the exact same amount of AR from a single point in str or dex at any level.
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>>156989294
I think the main reason is that there is almost no weapons that are pure dex or pure str, when this was the case in DaS.

Like, why all UGS scale equally from str and dex? It doesn't makes sense.

Another problem is that those weapons who DO scale better with just STR, are in the 2 worst weapons classes in the game.
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>>156989068
try messing with the colour settings on your monitor? only think I can think of that would help.
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>>156989427

>tfw when they buffed the Manikin Claws they just changed it so their scaling when Refined shot all the way up to B/B

I think From just likes Quality and we have to accept that.
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>>156989460
That, and refined existing means even pure scaling weapons become better at 40/40
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>>156989494
That would naturally fuck with the rest of the game, and with everything else I use my pc for.
The problem isn't my settings, I just can't handle prolonged exposure to excessively bright lights anymore. It's one of those things that reeks of the game devs not actually playtesting their game to realize how offensively bright this shit was
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>>156989068
Fucking this
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Why is the framerate locked at 55 when you play on windowed?
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>>156989621
Is it really? I never noticed
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>>156989089
>He didnt like the cross-slash longsword riposte and backstab
>He didnt like the left-hand punch setup into a visceral chest slash riposte on longer weapons
Some animations were ugly, but the ripostes felt meaty and impactful. With A-teams aesthetic magic, they couldve been refined and made really satisfying to watch.
But nah. Lets just stab everything with shit like reapers and halberds, or just hit stuff in the chest with hammers. Or treat every hornet riposte like were caving in their chest with an axe, but its really a sword.
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>>156989460
>almost no weapons that are pure dex or pure str
There is as much weapons that are pure dex or pure str (or having better dex/str scaling up to a certain point so they are better on full dex or str build up to some level like it was with SL80-100) as it was in DS1. The only problem is that none of those weapons are the as meta as DS1's chaos blade or gold tracer. Give something similar and most of the complains will instantly stop.

Meanwhile i'm invading with sellsword chaos blade dex build in SL60 range and absolutely shitting on people and their half-baked builds.
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>>156989068
>>156989605
maybe you should try going outside ever
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>>156989546
>tfw right before that buff I slabbed and hollowed a pair of manikin claws on my pure luck build because they were a straight upgrade to the regular claws
>that patch nerfed hollow manikin claws, buffed refined manikin claws, massively the AR of normal claws on every infusion and made their WA go from not working to godlike.
I felt betrayed.
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>>156989621

I play windowed and it's locked at 60 for me. Maybe you have set the FPS lock in your driver settings?
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>>156989294
>Quality being one of the best builds possible in DS1 was accepted as a given.
Hello newfag

people complained constantly that dexfaith etc was significantly better than str, and overleveling dex with BSS wasn't uncommon since you got more returns from that than you did from leveling strength past the bare minimum requirement, not to mention katanas, which had zero strength scaling at all, and in the case of the ever popular chaos blade didn't benefit from faith either.

>softcaps are here for a reason to discourage mindless leveling to the 99 in every stat
If something is only going to scale off of one stat, you should be able to invest twice as much. Heavy weapons need better scaling compared to what quality weapons currently have available, and removing the refined infusion would be the best way to adjust that. The refined infusion lets you run clean past softcaps and go 40/60, it's absurd. Right now the problem with softcaps is that they exclusively hurt things like str weapons, which are already disadvantaged due to their overall worse moveset.
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>>156989836
Dunno, seems to be 60 on fullscreen though
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>>156989710
>I fight random pve-ers that aren't prepared for pvp, don't have builds prepared to fight other players and probably don't even know how to pvp in the first place
>this is evidence for the viability of my build.
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>>156988619
>No amount of force
Pretty sure when you've got enough strength to swing something like Yhorm's machete, you've moved into fantasy land where you can just straight up smash through armour, assuming your sword doesn't break.

Then, having the dexterity to hit something important probably helps you do damage as well.

Also, from a roleplaying perspective, it just makes sense for warriors who are strong and dextrous to be better than warriors who are just one.
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Did anyone play through the game more than necessary and has a Life+3 to spare for a knigger?
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>>156989947
Astora great is the best, but it's an outlier that you may as well treat as its own weapon class.
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>>156989842
>dexfaith
dexfaith was a horrible shitter stomper, any decent quality player absolutely facefucked anyone with glowing dildo in their hands, a fucking demon's spear was a quality weapon for fuck's sake and that's one of the most blatantly broken weapons in the entire game
no returns past SL100 were as effective as going for quality build with the exception of MLGS/MBH vitgouges
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>>156989710

The biggest complaint I have personally is that while in 1 there was a similar amount as you said, there were far less weapons in general so they stood out more compared to the many quality options that existed. Meanwhile in Dark Souls 2 there was a quality options for almost every weapon class as well as almost always there being a pure STR/DEX option, along with slightly less common Magic/Faith/Pyro/Hex innate weapon options in a game where you could infuse almost anything. 3 meanwhile keeps the same amount of dedicated STR/DEX options from 1 but with a vastly expanded weapon category in general, so much so that there are about 10 pure STR weapons, about 4-5 DEX ones, with everything else being quality save the 2-3 actually dedicated elemental weapons across the entire game, oftentimes changing scalings of some returning weapons to fit this quality overdose of weapons.

It still bothers me greatly for example that the Drakeblood Greatsword is now a Raw/Quality weapon when it has the best S-Dex scaling in the Greatsword class in 2.

>>156989947

When buffed with Gold Resin and Bundles yes. When it's not Profaned GS will do slightly more damage. Astora's is the most practical UGS though due to its bugged rolling attack and light weight.
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>>156989842
That and dex affected casting speed, meaning pyromancy, which did not scale at all, was at its best on a very high dex build. Katana/BSSfags got instant blackflames and fast GCFBs for virtually zero investment.

I think many of the people who complain about how things are "now" don't remember how awful they used to be.
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>>156989947
Questionable.
As long as you have a gold pine resin on it, it will do the most damage per hit, but it only narrowly beats a profaned or BKUGS while buffed and loses out by a solid margin when not buffed.

It does have the advantage of being the strongest quality UGS with a viable stomp but that's not a big deal.

It is the best UGS option against shields, ironflesh and dragons though.
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Anyone got a character at sl 91 in DaS1 that they need help with? I really need to get summoned a few more times for sunlight medals.
Vanilla lightning spear is hurting, guys.
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>>156990121

On PC btw
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How long will it take for DaS4 once From's next IP sadly bombs?
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>>156989976
sorry that i'm doing the pvp as it was designed by the developers instead of duelfaggot FGC rejects
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>>156990178
Why is Astora the best? I've heard it said but i'm not sure why. Seems to have very low AR and a moveset as slow as every other UGS
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>>156990270
Forgot to mention I'm on PC, I'm a faggot.
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>>156989024
>spear/thrusting sword backstabs in DS2
Sexy as fuck.
What I don't get is that DS3 has the same backstab for scythes as it does for spears. What the fug indeed.
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>>156990405
Unparriable bugged rolling 2hR1s that do big thrust damage
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>>156990270
>>156990440
I'm currently at SL60 but I'll just jam 20 levels into VIT real quick I have lord souls routes, gwyndolin, DLC and Gwyn left if you want to do any of those.
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>>156990180
>dexfaith was a horrible shitter stomper, any decent quality player absolutely facefucked anyone with glowing dildo in their hands
That's bullshit, a dexfaith build can use most of the same good weapons a quality build can. BSS was better than any quality straightsword, and had a better moveset to boot. You can't say that dexfaith was just a shitterstomper while quality wasn't when they play near identically save for the fact that one has WoG available.

>demon's spear was a quality weapon for fuck's sake and that's one of the most blatantly broken weapons in the entire game
still waiting for your rebuttal to my remarks on the chaos blade pal
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>>156990463
Isn't the rolling R1 a big overhead swing? Why does that do thrust damage?
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https://youtu.be/mHfo47pVfro
Seriously how is this not better than Stab Souls 3?
>That setup on most swords to cleave open their chest
>That fucking knock-down crotch-cleave on UGS
>Cleaving their skull with an axe
Ooh baby I feel tingly. The amount of time people spend on the ground was dumb, but it excuse the beautifully long setups on some of the animations. It feels like watching an execution rather than just a parry.
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>>156990657
He just said it's bugged.
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>>156990208
I'm not denying that being able to go 40 dex and compete with a 40/40 quality build was a problem; it totally was. If someone wants their weapon to have as much output as a 40/40, they should be willing to sacrifice roughly the same amount of SL. DS3 just has the opposite problem; I can pump 66/10 and spend about as much as a 40/40 player, but get way less return.
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>>156990779
Right, I was thinking he meant bugged in that it came out fast, or had phantom range.

Thanks senpai
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>>156990310
There's nothing wrong with invading, but taking "I can bully clueless hosts" and using it as an argument towards game design or balance is just silly. You don't need stats, or builds or armour or weapons or upgrades to beat on some of these abject shitters you encounter in invading.
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I lost a bunch of souls in Dark Souls 1 because of a collision glitch. How can I edit my save to give myself the souls back?
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>>156990769
>>Cleaving their skull with an axe
By far the best part of DaS2. That fucking wind-up and swing is satisfying as all fuck.
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FUCK HEIDE KNIGHTS
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>>156990949
Quit being a bitch and farm them back up
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>>156990949
Just dupe a soul like quelaag's until you have as much as you lost. How much did you lose?
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>>156990887
Sort of as well? It seems to come out faster than the animation would indicate (along with HA), does thrust damage (and so hits counters), and is unparriable.
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>>156990990
Just 2HR2 twice and then roll away.
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>>156990769
>went from scythes having a sensible critical animation where they actually use the dangerous part of their blade to inflict damage to just shoving the whole thing through their chest.
You can tell that there was some animosity and bad blood between Miyazaki and the DaS2 team. So many straight improvements from 2 were abandoned for no reason other than raw spite.
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>>156990990
If there by themselves, excluding the spear and lance ones there super easy to parry. When I played ds2 I usually would just use crimson parm and dagger to three shot them with parries.
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>>156990949
You can just use the duplication bug instead of CE. If you've got a boss soul, roll, press the button to use it, then press start before the roll completes. Go into your menu and use an item, preferably something that isn't consumed upon usage like an empty estus flask or the silver pendant. When you get out of the menu, it'll ask you to use the boss soul, but saying yes will only consume the item you'd selected in your menu instead of the soul, all while still giving you the souls from popping the boss soul. This works with fire keeper souls for humanity as well.
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>>156990769
>Could've used DaS2's animations with DaS1's for a nice blend of different moves and bs's/ripostes
>Only animation imported from 2 belongs to Drakeblood and Hollowslayer
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>>156990180
The demon spear has absurd reach and 0 recovery. It would be broken no matter what kind of scaling it had.
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>>156991205
BUT THERE'S WA!!!1
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>>156991205
>Lances became Pikes and lost everything that made them worthy of being a separate weapon class
>Twinblades just got fucking cut completely because no fun allowed
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>>156991147
The spear ones are super easy to backstab too, just wait for them to do their double-swing into stab, and sidestep right as they perform their thrust. Puts you in the perfect position to backstab them.
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>hawk ring affects throwable pyros
I should have guessed judging from the other guy's video
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How to make Saint's Bident effective?
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In DaS1, you take a broken sword and restore it to form the true Greatsword of Artorias
In DaS2, you take a pole with a rock stuck on it and break it to uncover the true Santier's Spear
In DaS3, the game is broken.
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>>156991543
Probably by slapping on a 60-point CMW/SLB/DMB.
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>>156990309

Pretty sure DaS4 is already in development.
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>>156991181
It works for any consumable that is consumed on use and asks before being used, meaning hw bones and eyes of death, but not creos
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>>156991543
attach a mophead to the end of it and use it to clean your floor, because it's useless as a weapon and forever will be
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>>156990779
>>156990657

I think it's the same attack as the Zweihänder R2. Can anyone confirm if that does thrust damage as well?
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Fug I miss twinblades
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>>156991559
>a rock
It's some nigga's head yo
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>>156990623
>That's bullshit
good to know that you don't understand shit in ds1 meta
> BSS was better than any quality straightsword
that's not saying much because ds1 straight swords are awful and bss is hilariously overrated
>one has WoG available
thanks for a free backstab
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What should I name my quality warrior?
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>>156991721
Isn't Astora's 2HR2 a thrust attack as well? It's probably that, might even just do the same damage too.
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>>156991738
>Tfw styling on niggas with a twinblade
>Tfw dunking people who think I'm an easy parry
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>>156991739
>Kukris have S dex scaling
>Lightning Urns have S faith scaling
>No Magic urn for S Int scaling
>Cant just throw a rock for S Str scaling
It wouldnt even have splash damage, itd just have a beautiful arc and brain people
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>I might soon get my hand on bloodborne
Im so happy now
Is the wheel a good weapon?
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>>156991543
27STR/60FAI with darkmoon blade.
320 damage per poke.
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>>156991878
>he couldn't use BSS
okay anon

>still ignoring that the best weapon in the game was uninfuseable and benefited purely from dex
go back to complaining about toggle escapes like the claymoreposter you are, assuming you aren't actually the newfag I'm taking you to be
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What's a recommended area for some Jolly Co-operation at level 75?
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>>156991904

Yeah it's a thrust and when uncharged it does exactly the same damage as the rolling R1. I was thinking that the rolling attack being unparriable might have something to with it being the Zweihänder R2.
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>>156992067

The Whirligig is better.

Have fun dungeon-diving for gems.
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>>156992139
>from takes a bunch of shortcuts creating serious bugs in the process
And the sky is blue
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>>156992154
Yeah I think about using this one instead.
What about the Kirk hammer or amygdala arm? I always use a strenght weapon on my first playthrough in each souls game
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>>156992118
BSS is a hilariously overrated weapon that you would never see in any fc with good players, i'm sorry anon. It's almost as overrated as great scythe or buffed falchion.
There's no single best weapon in DS1 and most of top-tier weapons benefit from quality scaling or have quality weapon requirements like murakumo.
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>>156992457
If you're going to use a strength weapon, I suggest the Hunter's Axe. It will never let you down, it's one of the first weapons, and its diverse moveset in both its regular and tricked form make it one of the best pve weapons in the game. You can go through the whole game without any problems using the Hunter's Axe.

The Kirkhammer is for hammer lovers, if that. It's moveset is a bit visually boring if you ask me, but it isn't terrible. The arm is cool, but again, it's something you've got to like the moveset of to commit to.
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>>156992457
Kirkhammer ain't great but it's pretty satisfying to use.
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SoI wanted to farm for the mendicant staff, and when I got it I killed the snek again out of anger and got a second. Then, when I went to farm 3 pale tongues, I got over 10k in souls, three dark swords, four dark masks, seven dark chests, seven gauntlets, six leggings, and 28 cracked eye orbs.
Did pretty good.
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>>156991443
>Twinblades
>with Pontiff Eye and Carthus Beacon
A man can dream.
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>it's cold
>there's ash in my crotch
>where are the honies
>I wanna go back to bed
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>>156992706
Ill probably use the axe for the begining of the game from what I saw the moveset and novelty is not as interesting as a big wheel to crush enemy or a pizza cutter

How is "magic" in this game? I saw that the moonlight sword and the ayyy lmao form are focused on arcane, are arcane build viable for pve?
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>>156992897
>deprived
Why?
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>>156992894
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Wanting to do a Faraam Lion Knight cosplay, in DaS2, in the text on Faraam Armor stats, "Although the Lion Knights wore heavy armor, they were feared for their nimble two-handed swordplay."

So, curious as to what SS, GS or UGS you think of when you think, "nimble two-handed swordplay?"
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>2-handing a rapier
Does this even make any sense? My hand seems in the totally wrong place to provide any kind of additional thrusting power, let alone range.
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>>156993050
>are arcane build viable for pve?
they are straight broken
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>>156993050
'spells' are infinite use unique items. Arcane is very powerful at LATE game, but you have to do an entire playthrough of pain, even with a guide, to get there. The wheel is fantastic, even on a raw strength build. It shines most on a str/arc build.
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>>156992561
BSS was a perfectly fine weapon considering that it had a fine moveset and required minimal investment, invalidated only by the fact that the chaos blade was better and only took six more points of strength to hold, which most classes had partially build in save for the wanderer.

>you would never see in any fc with good players
>"any instance where you may have seen this weapon simply didn't count"
sure

>There's no single best weapon in DS1
Well I'm pretty sure it had a less diverse meta than 3 does, which isn't doing it wonders, anon :^)

>Murakumo
You're calling weapons "idiot killers" then bringing up the backstab-my-deadangle poiseakumo?
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>>156993246
>DaS2
>anything being nimble
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>>156993246
It might have been referring to wielding two blades at once, rather than big swords
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>>156993246
I guess two straightsword, or the same type of sword I guess,
My first dual wielding character was with a curved sword and a thrusting sword, it was pretty damn useful
Dual wield what you like
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>>156993340
Oh no, it's a "retard talks shit about kumo" episode. Go away moron, if someone doesn't understand how broken kumo was he doesn't understand shit in ds1 meta in general. Watch some oroboro videos, he will show you the true epik overpowered metabuilds.
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>>156993326

Arcane is actually easy mode playing through if you focus on elemental weaknesses. Just dump all your money on fire (fire paper, flamesprayer, molotovs, and gem up a fire saw once you can) to completely and utterly dominate all of the early game beast bosses, then grab the tonitrus and you'll be ready to turn off the ayy lmaos later on.

One big advantage towards 'spells' in BB is that they use no stamina, so you burn your stamina bar with your melee attacks then start throwing molotovs or turn on the flamesprayer.
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>>156993353
>>156993246
>when you mistakenly shitpost
Thought it was "Faraam Lion Knight cosplay in DaS2"

Hollowslayer, maybe. I think Drakeblood has the same animations as well.
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>>156993250
2-handing a rapier pretty much doesn't exist. It goes against the entire fencing fighting style and stance
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>>156993353
Mirrah's?
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>>156993050
If you're interested in magic, this is helpful.
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>>156993618
Those were the two I was thinking of as well, I love Hollowslayer, never actually used Drakeblood GS in DaS3
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>mfw dropping the twinkling Dragon torso doesn't make hawkwood passive
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>>156993869
Drakeblood has high damage if you buff it with darkmoon/sunlight blade, but lacks the range and pokes of the hollowslayer, meaning your only realistic option for actually inflicting that damage is to hyper armor through everything.
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>>156993618
Wishing I could get my hands on a Loyce GS to be honest =/
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>>156994040
>>156994040
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>>156974807
Holy fuck this was one of the pictures that made me first question my sexuality all those years ago. Now I'm a raging lesbian. Thanks for the memories anon.
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>>156988318
>Swords and spears designed to cut and stab people with minimal force applied
>Benefitting from strength

lol
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>>156989024
>Curved swords can't stab despite clearly having a point
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Can anyone help with NK on PS4? Password is jolly.
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