/domg/ - Dominions General

Reminder, that people who discussed politics in the last thread got banned for 24 hours.

Think before you post some Dom4-unrelated shit you probably know absolutely nothing about.

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summod is a mod of peace

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Third for the best Dominions player in the world.

>>156609268
Imagine how proud Malakal must be because of his fame. Especially when he comes back from his plumbing job all covered in feces.

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>>156609591
Poles in Poland don't clean toilets. WE have qt3.14 Ukrainian grills to do those kinds of jobs.

>>156609746
>forcing qt girls to clean your toilets
Poles truly are subhumans.

>>156609854
If its any consolation the rest of europe forces qt polish girls to clean our toilets.

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>>156609854
If we are subhuman and you keep losing to one of us, that makes you below subhuman.

>>156609973
Subhuman girls for subhuman work ;^)

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>>156609973
That means you're subhumans as well.

Listen, Malakal, stop it with your inferiority complex, please. Do you realize that the very first thing you did ITT was posting how awesome you are? Please, go back to /v/anheim with your circlejerking steamshittery.

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In regards to the current situation.

I am covered in bats and pegasi. I'm trying to defend my forts, but it's not working out that well. I'm living off of earth gem alchemy, summons, and hope. They're using mystics communioned to spam acid rain, gifts from heaven, etc. It's decidedly unpleasant.

Still though, I'm doing what I can. Send gems and gold if you want to help me drive them back.

>>156610469
Better to be subhuman than to be the servants of subhumans.

>>156610751
>that bogus in the cap circle
Best possible timing.

>>156610751
>an Arco that actually uses Wind Riders

What bless is he rocking? Who commands them?

>>156610881
It's probably Moat with his cookie-cutter W9.

>>156610881
E9, led by a prophetized win lord.
>>156610865
He's been there forever, I accidentally sent hawks to his province instead of the neighboring one. It's literally just him, and somehow my hawk died retreating. It's vxing.

It's turn 54 and both Atlantis and Helheim seem to have problems sending their turns on time. How about 48h turn timer, admin?

Yo /domg/, can anyone link me to the pirate copy?

I'm currently in the path of a Category 4 hurricane and will probably lose power/internet for a while. If I'm lucky, I might be able to continue my games with just an extension, but if it's off for more than a day I might need to sub out.

I'm the Sahuagin in ScrubWarriors and recently subbed in for Agartha in Olathe.

>>156612315
aready got you covered. will extend turn 24 hours after hosting

>>156612389
The day it actually hits, you mean? It's not until Thursday night.

>>156612584
it's alreay on a 24 hour interval, so it will be another 24 hours, then will add as needed since I also live in florida

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Thanks guys, you really pulled through

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You still around, Sauromatia?

>>156613546
>3 uw thrones
>ea r'lyeh is the only waterbabby

If he gets uncontested dominion over the sea we are fucked. I'm willing to subsidize Fomoria if he plans to go on an early war for the water.

>>156613546
That game sure started fast.

I'll have to join the next one to crop up.

Is Vampire Queen a legit pretender for LA Ulm?

>>156615028
You can make her work. That's basically it. There are better options.

>>156614020
Whats a good way to get into the water for someone with a good supply of water gems but no water breathing?

>>156615172
Summod? Just build UW breathing gear. All of them became much better. There are both 5W options and bigger options for bringing more troops.

Wew it's getting cramped in here. Any chance I could talk to Eiru, Scleria, Ulm and Pan in the chat

>>156613897
He got wrecked by abyssia, expect chain staking.

>>156616504
I'll hop on, though I'm a little busy at the moment. Responses might be slow.

You mean the Vanheim Steam group, right? I haven't actually used Steam chat for this before.

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Speaking of pretenders, I always wanted an excuse to pick Dagon for SC, but I can't see practical way to keep him from gaining affections.
Should I just give him blood and go with it?

For nation, either r'lyeth, atlantis or ma xibalba

If I have 6 size 1 units in box formation, will they stick together in the same square?
If not, will line formation cause them to stick together?

>>156618191
Just tell him to stop being such a qt

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>>156616504
nobody ever invites me to a party

>>156615028
She flies and is stealthy so good for capping thrones I guess
She won a recent LA game as Ulm

>>156617727
If I don't get a response and he stales again, I think I'll set the nation to AI sometime tomorrow. Seems like Sauromatia's in pretty bad shape, so there's probably no point looking for a sub.

>>156609215
They should ban the cocksucker who keeps baiting with OP images that are unrelated to the game.

>>156618534
They should fit at 6 units per square no matter the formation.

>>156619559
I know they will fit I just mean will they stick together during the battle?

>>156619712
Yes, just like 3 size 2 units will stick in one square. It's the same but with smaller dudes.

>>156620003
gotcha, thanks.
By the way is there any way to tell how units will be packed together if there are variable sizes in the same squad? Does it have anything to do with the order they appear in and is there any way to change that?

>>156618191
>affections

cute!

>>156620503
No idea about that. I assume the game fills the squares so they have the maximum of units per square ratio if possible, but I could be very wrong.

>>156620503
They're arranged according to unit ID, or how they appear in the troop selection menu, and there's no way to change it.
This means, for example, if you're playing Jotunheim and recruit size 4 giants and size 1 vaetti, they'll only be in the same squares if their ID's go something like giant, vaetti, vaetti, giant, vaetti, vaetti

>>156621183
Or you have a line of giants and a sparse line of vaettis behind them.

It's not perfect, but the vaettis will move up to fill the gaps.

>>156621327
Why sparse and behind them?
I assumed units in line formation squads would form up in the same square if you put them in the same position and their sizes add up to 6 or less.
Was I wrong?

Hey guys so update on the staling happenings, Abysia did not stale this turn. Jotunheim however did stale again, so that's 3 turns in a row so if anyone is interested in subbing let me know.

The map is Oeridia and it is of course a Meme Game, he as 4 stales in total but don't think that would rule you out. The map is gigantic and previous badmin started it without a full slate so 4 steals is really not that big of a deal and you should still be in the game. As for is position and bless I can't speak for that because, well the map is too fucking huge so I haven't seen him.

>>156621606
>Why sparse
Because you only need 2 per square all across the line, instead of 6 bunched up in the middle.

>and behind them?
Putting two lines on top of eachother doesn't produce reliable results afaik. Might be something worth testing though.

I know this is a 24 hour game and all but how long does it really take to take your first turn?

>come home from animal brother ready to take turns
>gypsies have broken in and stolen all the copper, wires included
>such is life in rural Romania

Could I have a 24h extension? Hopefully will have my shit back up and running tomorrow.

>Community Clash thread
>someone made a joke
>suddenly massive autism
Is this going to be a recurring theme of that game?

Also if pre-planned subs are a thing we need, I can put my name in. Didn't try to join initially because I don't think I'm good enough, but if another person is needed I'm totally down to play.

>>156624098

23 hours and 59 minutes for me.

>>156624620
>animal brother
What?

>>156624705
Fugg

>>156624760
Maybe he means animal brothel, I think they have those.

>>156624620
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIcbIxm5z48

>>156624760
Well, he did say Romania.

>>156624760
Perchance he means the negro.

>>156624698
I'm just surprised that so many different people took it seriously. I thought the joke was pretty obvious.

My rundown of the game.
I expanded really well thanks to W9 Helhirdings and Ship Wreckers (allowed me to take the lake and bypass a lvl2 throne in my capring, which blocked my expansion to the west). I elfed what was left of Kailasa after they lost the game to story events. I ate Sauro, who AI'd during their war with Mictlan (Aztecs got birded before taking Sauro's cap). And when TNN attacked Caelum, I backstabbed them with R'lyeh's help. After that, I only needed to take some unclaimed thrones and drop a pair of ponymen and a stealthy Bishop Fish on Caelum's unforted one.

>>156563949
This, tbqh. No idea why I haven't been attacked at all, despite being the strongest nation pretty much the entire game. And my only attempt at diplo was suggesting R'lyeh to attack TNN when they were doing really well in their war against Caelum (and I really thought TNN might be a threat after conquering burds).

>>156564986
I found a quite a lot of nice sites. 25 D gem income or so. Even though I've been spending quite a lot, I had 400 (!) left when the game ended, ready to be used for WoM and Rouse Draugar in 2 turns.

>>156565179
Magic3 and indies. Elvish research is as bad as ever.

>>156624620
Uhhhh this is not me... But I guess that's Romanian education for you so let's give this lad an extension.

>>156625815
Never underestimate how autistic people can be.

>>156621862
I tested it. Stacked lines work fine for the most part, but there's occasional (and difficult to replicate) weirdness with vaetti taking up a square of their own and bumping giants out to the side. I've personally found that putting the vaetti just behind the giants works better.

Don't do sparse line, though. There's a few reasons for this - first, depending on what target they selected, they will occasionally act like dunces and stand behind a full square rather than filtering around the sides. Secondly, they have reduced morale. Third and most importantly, vaetti are going to die to one hit whereas the jotuns don't, so it's actually really helpful to have spare goblins to move forward and take up the gap when their buddies drop.

>>156624620
I dunno about gypsies or animal brothers/brothels, but we're nearing turn 50 on a large map so maybe 48h turns are in order.

SNEK EATER ABYSIA SAURO MARVERNI

are you fuckers done playing grab ass

helheim is mopping everyone up you little shits

>>156626640
>gypsies
Irredeemable scum of the world.

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>>156626762
HAHAHAHA

>tfw just launched an invasion and now waiting anxiously for the turn to see what your enemy is doing

why is abysia's research so bad this late in the game

how are you going to beat the elves with fire flies you red hot fuck

Can someone please link me to the pirated version?

>>156627880
It's like two years out of date.

>>156627880
Just buy it.

>>156627936
I don't have any money.

>>156627880
https://mega.nz/#!3wpkWIKQ!v1THky_egFtEua0kiZQ-aPbVjCKgWRHwrHMEGD6YFvc

>>156628012
Sell a kidney.

>>156628073

B-but I need my kidneys...

>>156628050
How up to date is this one?
Maybe put it in the OP next time.

>>156628135
Sell someone else's.

>>156628171
Uh, I think it's 4.20? Which means about a year old, current version is 4.26.

>>156628135
You have two, you'll be fine.

>>156626762
stop being such a malakal

I've only attacked you (birds) and you're actually fighting back - compared to abyssia mopping up free sauro provinces

>>156628012
Are you really poorer than the Romanian who gets his copper stolen by gypsies?

>>156628843
A Romanian who gets his copper stolen by gypsies probably has a lower cost of living than most people on this board.

>>156629225
And a much lower income.

So how are you're games going?

>>156630427
Ekwipt has yet to showcase the power of a million crossbows, but then again it's still year 1 and folks are expanding.

I've seen only 2 foreign candles, but both were with sloth, which kinda makes sense given the game settings. I'm feeling like I should have run sloth 3 as well.

>>156630427
Game: MAdden_2016_Hexxy_Edition
Turn number 56
Next turn due: 16:44 GMT on Thursday October 6th

Abysia 2h file received
Agartha 2h file received
Arcoscephale 2h file received
Asphodel 2h file received
C'tis 2h file received
Ermor 2h file received
Man 2h file received
>Nazca Waiting for 2h file
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>Nazca Turn received Turn received Turn received Turn received Staled 4

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>156629935
That's what they get for choosing turmoil and sloth

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LUL

>>156630427
Better than I'd feared but I'm about to start a war that will result in my slow but inevitable death.

>>156630427
Way too well, I'm in 12 now, I expected to be out by turn 30 in most of them, but looks like I'll be lasting way longer in all of them.

>>156630832
how can you be so bad at taking screenshots?

>>156631394

He's Polish. Any technology more complex than plumbing is a major struggle.

>>156630427
I'm joining games with newbies and then intentionally turning my brain off while taking turns in an attempt to recapture the feeling of the games when dom4 first came out and this general became an active thing.

Nobody knows what works. Everything is innovative. Memes flourish naturally without being forced. People are genuinely happy that they got BTFO in an amusing fashion.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>156630427
Not bad, but I'm only in two games. I'm in a relatively good position in one, but I feel like the fan is about to hit the fan so I gotta seize opportunities. In the other I'm awaiting death, I know it will come sooner or later, but I got tricks up my sleeve to at least defend myself a bit.

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ha

>>156631598
On one hand, that sounds like fun. On the other hand, you're trashing a noob game.

>>156631598
Where these newbie games at famalam?

>>156626215
Are larger units in a square more likely to be attacked than smaller ones in melee or is that only applicable to projectiles?

>>156631394
>>156631538

Please discuss the LUL not the 5s screenshot

>>156631628
>>156631708

As expected of t. Pan

>>156632259
I'm guessing it was 2 unscripted bloodhunters and unscripted patrol chaff

>>156632259
Nothing to discuss. Your shit army won over his shit army. Big fucking deal. Or do you need to stroke your small ego over this like you're stroking your tiny wiener right now?

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>>156609746

>>156630427
Playing cancer nations, getting better at manipulating and dealing with the inevitable dogpile, looking forward to making life as miserable as possible for enemies in future games.

>>156632416
Whats some good cancer nations? I know Ermor but I hear R'lyeh isnt so bad anymore.

>>156632626

Asphodel and Theoderos are fairly good.

>>156632626
EA and MA R'lyeh are fine. EA R'lyeh is one of the better UW fighters, and summod makes it very land capable as well. MA R'lyeh has the Pelagia issue, but is fine if it's in its own pond or otherwise doesn't need to worry about triton dongers. Neither are cancer, though.LA R'lyeh is the cancer nation, and it's still awkward to play, since it's a gold dependent pop kill nation.

Aspho is fine, though a bit obvious in terms of what it does. Therodos in vanilla is the worst nation in the game bar none, but in summod it's pretty good

>>156632756
>>156633114
What makes Theoderos so bad compared to the others? I never really paid much attention to them.

>>156633415
How about I just tell you what you can make with Thed.

It has no UW recruitable units outside of its capital. Within its capital, it can recruit size 3 heavy infantry with one attack, at a rec limit of two.

Its only UW recruitable commander is an N1X1 on an expensive chassis with too little HP to thug without a decent bless.

On coasts, it has an actual mage worth recruiting (an E1X1) and sacreds. The mage produces resources, so you could recruit extra units if your sacreds didn't have a rec limit of 2 in spite of being mediocre size 3 one attack units, but also raises unrest.

They have freespawn with an MRN attack, similar to Lemuria's, but gets vastly reduced numbers of them.

So to sum up, they are a popkill nation with weak freespawn. They literally cannot produce enough sacreds to even expand without assistance. They literally cannot produce any units other than said cap-only rec limit 2 sacreds UW. When they do get on land, they reduce their income further with unrest when recruiting their only decent out of cap mage, and again have rec limit of 2 on their size 3 one attack sacred. It's literally worse than Oceania.

>>156631727
I'm doing a pretty good job at playing like a newbie. Alcohol helps.

I'm actually losing.

>>156634178
Dang. Sound pretty useless in multiplayer anyway.

>>156632363

Dakini was moved there to stop my raiders and it had 45 gems and 10 slaves worth of equipment. Guess the LUL wasnt apparent enough.

>>156632364

>army

>>156634818
Surprising. I guess it's relatively hard to make something devil-proof without a very large HP pool.

>>156634345
Well then.
I've played some blitzes and turns in regular games drunk, and didn't notice too much of a difference aside from minor scripting snafus

MA Pelagia or MA Vanheim for a FFA game? Not sure if other UW nations have been picked.

>>156631598
Well shit, I guess I must be a noob.

What's a good easy nation for a beginner? My wife's son wants to try playing but he's not very good at strategy.

>>156636531
EA: ermor, vanheim, LA china, formoria, mictlan, Niefelheim

MA: Ulm, Pan, Pelagia, acro, sceleria

LA: any nation except lemuria or jomon, or rlyeh

>>156636713
> EA: LA CHINA
This is bad and you're retarded.

>>156636531
Abysia is easy vs the AI. Just take production scales.

>>156636949
it was a mistake but *EA* china is very easy to use since there is a heavy reliance on summoning sacreds
>>156636949
the son should use nations that aren't legitimately bad

>>156637030
You're suggesting multiple nations that require knowledge of non-intuitive game mechanics to be effective. Ermor is fine. Vanheim requires knowledge of a bless, and probably thugging and glamour, too. EA China is mediocre until you know how to leverage sacreds. Mictlan requires understanding a bless AND understanding blood. Niefelheim requires attention to scales of target provinces, and thugging.

>>156636531
>My wife's son
>he's not very good at strategy.

Pretty subtle way of saying he's a nigger, not bad anon.

>>156636713
>>156636949
>answering seriously

Did you miss the "my wife's son"?

>>156637214
>>156637253
Blesses are extremely easy to learn, or did you miss the series that marrland did where he made his son play niefelheim?

>>156637253
>what are stepchildren

>>156637330
Maerlande's son is not retarded. Also, he has the advantage of being taught by Maerlande, whereas anon's wife's son is being taught by someone who doesn't understand which nations have simple mechanics.

>>156637458
very true. I concede my entire point. Keep him to EA ermor, MA ulm, and LA acro

>>156637348
t. cuck.

>>156637214
Vanheim is literally the easiest nation in the game to play, other than maybe MA Ulm. Reccing Abysia is bad, as its one of the hardest nations to play on a map with any amount of players larger than 4-5 (where it plays like a weaker Vanheim in EA).

>>156635692
Depends on map. MA Vanheim is probably easier to win the game with, but Pelagia's my favorite nation to play as a mage nation with mystics.

>>156637458
And note, that vs the AI, Vanhere are so hilariously potent that a bless isn't really *needed* to obliterate them, it just makes it easier.

>>156637704
What pretender and scales do you like for Pelagia?

>>156634702
They also get decent access to every path except astral and blood, can summon philosophers with crazy fast research potential (+2 for every point of sloth). Not to mention they can create a huge array of magic items with the diverse paths and master smith abilities of daktyls, and mass produce things cheaply after making some forge bonus items to combine with the natural forge bonus of a Kabeiros (which can be recruited on any coastal fort).
A few of those Awe sacreds (Awe 6 on the slow to recruit ones) fully slotted with magic items make a pretty strong force even by themselves.

>>156638421
Sounds like they would be better for a disciples game than a regular free for all multiplayer.

>>156637609
You're assuming multiplayer, and any starting knowledge at all. I have a brother who is also *bad* at video games, but likes them and likes to do the things I do. I got him a copy of dominions. He plays the shit out of it. One day I looked at his ma mictlan game, and he had recruited swarms of medium infantry (the guys with maces and javelins) with the occasional standard or eagle warrior and some priests. He only recruited priests (mictlan priests of various kinds), "so he could use his bless." His bless was something like A4D4F6 (don't remember exactly). He had death and prod scales. He knows about blesses, how they work, and vaguely understands the magic system - I've walked him through games before. He just doesn't put any of it together. At that point, what you want isn't a nation that is good when played well. You want a nation that is as close to idiotproof as possible. EA Ermor, MA Ulm, MA/EA Abysia, Arco, etc, fit the bill. They're hard to fuck up. EA TC, Vanheim, Mictlan are good when used competently, but I don't assume competence when someone says they are bad at vidya.

>>156637538
You sound adopted.

>>156638830
your brother is basically 1/4 of all /domg/ players.

>>156638830
Is your brother me?

>>156638370
Assist please. I assume W9 would be good if there's another underwater nation I could rush.

>>156638370
Depends on the water situation. W9S6+ if I'm fighting for my seas, and either E4/Sx or N9/Sx if not.

Pelagia loves astral end game options on its pretender, since it has access to more pearls than most but can only boost itself to 4 natively. If you want rings/nexus/wish stuff, you need it on your pretender.

An N bless is unnecessary, but makes your expansion parties take less attrition and gives you N-shroud golems later on. An E bless is similarly low value, but Pelagia's cheapest S chassis for a pure scales build is a statue that includes E on it already, so you may as well take it for your encumbered amphibious sacreds.

For scales, they can actually be played with almost anything, and just function differently depending on their scales. In general, you want very positive scales, but the exact nature of these is up to you. Turmoil/Luck will let you get additional gems, which is very valuable for such a magic focused nation, but Order will let you build more forts to churn out more mages. Since you're running a mage-focused strat, you can take Sloth and use primarily summoned front liners, or go up prod and use your coastal hoplites to save gems for other uses. Similar arguments can be made for magic v drain (you have a cheap mermage and DO want research done quickly, but you'll also primarily want to recruit mystics which have high enough RP to make drain less painful as a dump scale).

The only scales you always want are temp at 3 (because UW only goes up to 1 anyways, so it's like 2 free scales) and Growth at 3 (because it gives the most dosh and doesn't give more events when lowered).

>>156619035
Remilia a cute!

>>156639985
Oh also - if you go Turmoil/Luck, you should also take Magic because the gem events are higher.

>>156639985
Wonderful. <3 Thank you for the write up, anon. Time to run through pretender creation for a bit and see what I come up with. Much appreciated!

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>>156640301
>much appreciated
Here you go!

>this province contains 80 units
>they appear to be mostly barbarians
Damn. Sure hope that drops to about 30 when my scout gets there.

>>156638626
Maybe, I've never played a disciples game.
They seem like they would be fun, but I digress.
I've had much better experiences as Therodos compared to other cancer nations to be honest. Maybe it's because they don't kill pop as fast and don't get dogpiled on as much as a result.
Or maybe it's just a psychological thing. Therodos, their lore, and their image don't reall seem nearly as sinister as all the other cancer nations so people might be more willing to accept them.

>run into Ermor in the early game
>try to avoid them, expanding in other directions
>see just a few undead popping up in their provinces
>"huh, that doesn't seem so bad"
>several turns later, still the first year
>army of over a hundred skeletons at my doorstep

I guess I should just go AI now, huh

>>156643504
>Over a hundred

That's a minor scouting force, anon.

It's like that old chestnut about the Americans in WW2 sending 5 Shermans to take on 1 Tiger. 5 Shermans is the smallest possible operational unit, they simply wouldn't send fewer tanks in the interest of being sporting or what have you. Similarly, skeletons operate in groups of hundreds just because there's no point in going smaller.

>>156642878
Have you played them post-nerf without summod?

>>156638830
I'd consider Vanheim (but not Mictlan/TC) more idiot proof than either of EA Ermor/Arco. Not that there aren't ways to fuck up on Vanheim, but there are FAR more on Ermor/Arco.

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>>156643847
>Mfw people get cocky after killing a few hundred skellies before getting rekt by the real army.

>>156645034
My favorite is when they drop some serious RoS/EQ casters on your army (sound tactics, don't get me wrong) but even killing thousands of skeletons for free isn't enough to stop the onslaught. It's just too little too late and the surviving hordes just march forward and roll over the enemy army.

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>>156645169
>mfw the real army gets rekted by a good firestorm or wraithful skies because the ermor player didn't take B9
>mfw ermor players try to cover it up by saying "muh endless legions" but it's just as easily destroyed by the same spells over and over

>>156645257
I have no doubt this is true in theory. I'm certainly not trying to say that it's impossible to lose with a large enough skeletor army; battlefield kill spells obviously scale much better.

Just, in practice, the people capable of applying those tactics properly over a large enough strategic scale also seem to be the people capable of killing Ermor before that becomes necessary. The longer Ermor survives the larger his armies are and the lower the odds that a player in that game can adequately deal with armies of that size. It's a compounding problem.

>>156645694
at the same time though if you truly want an "endless chaff army" real players dont' play ermor, they play sceleria. Sceleria gets all the perks of being ermor and lose the strong sacreds for actual gold and a true amount of mages

>>156646143
Yeah no doubt. But it is pretty fun to be the obviously evil bad guy from time to time.

>Formoria is the largest on the map, has Caelum's cap, and is currently eating Helheim
Yomi do something for fucks sake

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>game is in late stages, everyone reached 9 in all schools at this point
>Went to war with guy who was very close to winning, like 10 turns away winning
>successful stop the win but war is in a stalemate, neither side can get the upper hand
>other neighbor is the other superpower, is slowly but surely getting a substantial lead over both me and the enemy
>war has no end in site

will this ride ever end abysia?

>>156650201
The Domg natgen?

>>156650575
that's gythia, and he's not at war with 1 guy, he's at "war" with literally everyone else

>tfw throne of knowledge in your territory and you don't wanna be rushed

>>156651226
>yfw shattered throne and you're not a blood nation

>>156651312
You count as a blood nation, Patala.

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>>156611861
The eye of the void is upon you.

If my prophet winds up with less than 3 holy magic somehow(I don't know if that's even possible, but just in case), can he still claim thrones?

>>156656485
No.
H3+ is the requirement to take thrones.
It's the reason why summons like Bishop Fish and Seraph are sought after

>did something risky last turn
>it's the new turn now
>afraid to check it
I-I'll just go cook dinner...

>>156659846
Check it! Maybe your risk paid off!

>>156659846
Don't worry, llama died.

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>>156659846
>check my e-mail
>not one of my games

>>156656485
The most common way for it to happen is if the prophet gets a mute affliction that halves his magic paths. If this does happen to you as a nation with no H3 priests and you can't heal the affliction, you might as well suicide him.

>>156652827
I always suspected the entire state of Florida was horror marked.

>>156660247
Fapped so hard my fapping hand (right, fyi) gained a life of its own, stroking my one-eyed purple giant rapidly for 3 hours straight with such a tenacity it became clear arthiritis was the least of my worries, so clear was it that I could lose MY ENTIRE SCROTUM to this bizarre possession. Suddenly my erection smashed through my floor, pulling down my fapping hand as a hapless hostage. Smoke filled my bedroom and I woke up god knows how many hours later in a small village south of Aokigahara.

The people of this modest commune emerged slowly from their shacks, all of them viewing me with what I can only describe as suspicion mixed with awe. Suddenly they began throwing spears into the air and running towards me. I SHAT BRICKS, but then they GRABBED ME and LUNGED ME INTO THE AIR, praising my name and kissing me. The chieftain came down later and over a feast-for-one explained I was to be crowned The Chosen One, the Kamisama of Smug Fap foretold in Nihonese folklore to appear in the year 2016. At this moment an old Japanese woman - she must've been 85 years old at least - began doing some kind of dance, spinning around in circles whilst singing "Sorairo Days" and throwing confetti into the air. I was DOWN with this state of affairs, let me tell you.

For 300 years I trained with the chieftain in his private dojo, fapping to smug anime girls, every day becoming quicker. At first I could fap to 10 smug girls per minute. After only 2 weeks I was up to 5 girls per second. After a century my SGPM (smug girl per minute) rate rose to and stalled at 200 per minute.

On the last day he graced our planet, my sensei bestowed one last task to me: fapping to this smug anime girl, the smuggest of all smug anime girls.

I did not respond with words. Rather, through our eyes he knew I would obey.

This one's for you, Otousan.

>mage takes damage for no apparent reason and dies
What?

Ermor, I got your message. Let's chat in steam.

enemy fatigue causing spells/effects

>>156636531
Vanhiem is fairly simple, as is non-LA Ulm.
Agartha is great for getting the hang of relying on summons and mages to win your wars.
Basically, just don't start on a blood, underwater, or communion nation and you'll be just fine.

What the fuck are Soultorn, and why the fuck did my best-outfitted commander using his Twin Spear to cast Summon Lesser Horror cause a bunch of them to pop out of nowhere and kill him? HE HAD MY FUCKING GATE STONE!!!

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>>156663042
They are, would you guess, horrors. You summoned them.

>>156662478
Wait, shit, is Nick Ermor?

>>156663156
That spell description never fucking said the horrors could turn on you! He wasn't even Horror Marked!

Game: SnekEatersAnonymous
Turn number 31
Next turn due: 12:00 GMT on Thursday October 6th

Abysia 2h file received
Caelum 2h file received
C'tis 2h file received
Helheim 2h file received
Marverni 2h file received
Sauromatia Waiting for 2h file

>>156663483
>the spell description never fucking said the horrors could turn on you!
>"The caster sacrifices human blood to attract a few Lesser Horrors. Horrors will feed off the fear and suffering of dying soldiers and will continue to attack until EVERYONE IS SLAIN.

>>156664063
Huh.

Well, fuck. Not using Twin Spear again, at least now without a squad of bodyguards.

What are some cheap commander summons with good magical leadership?

>>156666858
Sleeper

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Can anyone explain what happened?

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>>156666952
Don't mess with this elder.

I used to wrestle boars back in the grove.

>>156666952
Blood Vengeance?

Doesn't seem like a good explanation, but I can't see any other way Gifts would kill the caster.

>>156667195
Blood vengeance does that much damage?

>>156667228
It can, yes.

What are the best communion spells for fire? I mean the ones who scale most.

>>156667994
If you are in a communion, you probably want to cast astral magic instead of fire. Flame Storm and Living Fire are the two big ones worth casting with a giant swarm of augurs, though.

>>156668263
Doesn't endless stellar cascade spam become boring though? Also I got a lot of 2FS1's and I figured I'd get more bang for my buck with fire.

>>156668530
I prefer enslave spam.

get yourself 4 slaves with high HP and regen or have a D master cast soul vortex and surround them with high regen units. With that and LoNS all your S1s can cast enslave forever.

>>156668263
Falling Fires has decent scaling too. Doesn't have great damage against armored troops, sadly.

What should I do with a nation with literally no A magic that somehow got a lot of A income?

>>156669362
Trade it for something else or start empowering

>>156669362
if you have access to N5, save 80 air gems so you can summon a Faerie queen and empower her, then forge Winged helmet. With that booster every faerie queen of yours can cast Fog warriors. Alternatively, get Bag of Winds too or try to get a Queen of elemental Air.

If your air income is really really high, you can get draconians, which are awful but have no upkeep and the draconian chiefs call more draconians, so after some turns you got a real lot of flying units with high strength. Also call of the winds for bloodhunting or great eagles to siege.

In case you don't have at least N4 or N2 and access to rings and can't get Faerie queens, then there is nothing you can do other than trading it or empowering several times.

2016-10-05 17:10:55 +0200
Version 4.27
Old save compatibility fixes

2016-10-05 13:32:13 +0200
Spell AI improvements
Stat and typo fixes

How do you guys decide what magic paths to research?

>>156673835

Experience. Play the game, fail a whole bunch, watch what other people do and figure out what you need to research in what order with the nation you're interested in playing.

You here Szumogliika?

>>156675214
Oh did you two collide already?

>>156675717
No collision but we've met, so I'd rather avoid a collision.

>>156675717

*collude

>>156674493
>>156675214
>>156675717
>>156675782
>>156677062
t.Malakal

>>156677493

t. Malakal

>>156677776
>>156677493
>>156677062
>>156675782
>>156675717
>>156675214

t. Malakal

>>156678721
>>156677776
>>156677493
I don't get this Malakal meme, you are all obviously jealous of him.

>>156673835
Tell me a path and I'll tell you good spells

>>156678868
Oops forgot to remove my name.

>>156678879
S1N1

>>156679087

Communion master/slave, stellar cascades, light of the northern star, power of the spheres, swarm, creeping doom.

>>156679229

Oh and body ethereal I guess, for buffing elite troops.

>>156679087
>>15667922
A good list, I'd add:
communion masters can cast personal regeneration to give slaves regeneration and help them survive.

Howl, Panic, Relief, Sleep Cloud, body ethereal , wooden warriors, the battlefield luck spell.

Strongest are stellar cascades and swarm imo.

>>156679087
I'd go alteration if I had good troops.

If I have poop troops go for stellar cascades in evocation.

Depends what other mages I might have though.

>>156679463

If you add personal regen dont forget about enlarging spells for extra hp for the slaves, those are also N.

Storm of thorns is a decent N evo if you want that, bit high up tho. Relief, howl, mass regen, mass protection etc are high end N spells that usually need a big communions, but sure, they are good.

>>156678879
Say I have easy access to water and death.

>>156679229
>>156679463
>>156679606
>>156679649
Mind doing one more?

D2E2

>>156663412
No, Nick is Hinnom.

>>156680229
Depends how expensive. If I can mass a lot of them - horde of skeletons spam. Enchantment 5 asap. Otherwise I'd focus on the earth part.

If facing heavily armored troops destruction. If getting rushed earth meld asap. Alteration is pretty strong in earth. At high alteration you get disintegrate for D2.

If I have other good elemental magic or nature 2-3 - conjuration 5 is good. Howl + elementals. Otherwise a value conjuration 3 for summon earthpower.

Later game you want evo7 for earthquake.

If facing lightly armored troops blade wind is good.

Another spell of note is strength of giants if lacking for damage.

Legions of steel if you have good armour to make it better.

>>156678879
D1N1?

>>156680948
In a pinch Horde of skeletons with a D gem.

Best use is swarm.

>>156680948

Dust to dust against undead, frighten against the living, animate skeleton, swarm.

>>156680948
>>156680948
Oh and protection or wooden warriors with a gem.

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AntiquisTerra Agartha here?
There are things to discuss.

>>156675214
Yes.
Is this about 185?

80 barbarians will probably fuck up giants good this early right?

>>156683002
it depends, barbs have shit morale.

>>156682309
Jump into Steamchat if you can, so it's less of a pain.

>>156683134
Hmm. Still not too comfortable sending my guys in, they arent very replaceable yet.

>>156683424

Nah, mate, you're good, just go for it, YOLO.

>>156683461
Thats what you would say. Think I'll just bully lion tribe a bit first.

>>156682309
>>156683330
Actually nevermind it's so short it doesn't matter.
TL:DR:
Lets use the mountains as natural border, I won't expand further past them than I have now, though I will request that you leave me 185 as it is very close to my capital.

>>156667228
Blood vengeance reflects damage. Gifts from Heaven deals about 7 metric fucktons of damage, so failing your MR save in such a situation will turn you into paste.

>>156683712
>further than I have now
>teehee sorry I took 10 provinces where I wasn't supposed to my bad ok now I keep them

>>156683712
You're already over the mountains, but I'd be fine with those borders, but I am taking 185.
You're already very close to my capital with 162.

>>156683875
>10
1

>>156683928
Fair enough.

>new captcha has you lasso-select shit now
Fucking hell.

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>mrw admin gets struck by a hurricane

So, in addition to assassinations Illuminati can cast ritual spells now.

This is deeply concerning.

>manage to convince my neighbours to attack each other so I have secure borders
I think i'm becoming malakal


CAN'T WAKE UP

>>156685510
I feel like the US is at Order 1 and Luck 1, except for Florida who is sitting at Turmoil 3 neutral luck scales.

>>156685510
The dominions illuminati finally caught on to all the dominions players in Florida it seems.

I keep seeing people say Jotun Skratti make good thugs, but can't figure out how to utilize them. Do you just give them a brand and shield and throw up some water buffs?

>>156683794

Blood Vengeance does not reflect damage. Damage Reversal reflects damage.

Blood Vengeance just makes the attacker take damage when it deals damage to a BV target and fails it's MR roll. The BVed target will always take damage even if the attacker fails it's MR roll.

>>156687462
I am aware, I'm just terrible at english this morning.
>>156687413
That's how you use most thugs, yes.

>>156687413
N9 bless plus shroud helps a lot if you have it.

>>156687413

Start them in werewolf form, give them a shroud, a brand and a shield, and they will fuck shit up. The high W ones are best, for lower fatigue Liquid Body/Quicken Self/Breath of Winter. The werewolf's got 10% base regen, so combined with your N9 and giant HP, they're hard as nails.

If you start them in giant form, and they get damaged enough to go werewolf, they'll drop their items (because they cycle back through the wolf form to get back to whichever form they started the battle in). This is why you start as Werewolf.

>>156687532
>>156687693
Ok on the same level I've tried thugging with Panii and they just got wrecked. I would give them a Strength of Gaia, and stronger prot buff, and regeneration...

>>156687890

Pans have half the HP, three less Attack/Defence, and no base regen.

>>156687890
Okay, right. The problem there is that you're not giving them reinvigoration, and as such, they're tiring out.

For a pan thug, I would recommend the following:
A frost brand.
A vine shield.
Girdle of might.
Perhaps a horned helmet.

As for things they should cast:
Summon Earthpower
Ironskin
Personnel Regeneration

And then set them to attack closest. They'll have 20 protection, good reinvigoration, regeneration, and the ability to clear out a square at a time.

However, they're still not ideal thugs. Pans are meant to be casters, rather than thugs.

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Here's a shitty try at mapping out the ScrubWarrior starts. In the next few days, I'll toss down what I can piece together from chat and my own intel.

>>156688208

Temper Flesh is also worth casting. Halving anything physically typed that gets past prot is useful.

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>>156685510
If I die I blame malakal

>>156688285
>tfw starting in Europe

Fuck, so damn crowded in here.

>>156688523
So hopefully the hurricane wipes the state clean, right?

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>>156688840
If it's any consolation, I'll have all your neighbors listed out soon so you guys can start diplomonstering.

>>156688285
There was one start missing so I went ahead and starred it. I also did ten test games for the Sea Devils. They started around the Indian Sea most of the time but I had one start in the Atlantic. I threw down a star on their most likely location and a circle for their possibles.

I'm sorry, Arco, but one does not simply takes a province from an AI neighbor without being at war with them. You can take 84 back (I thought it was Agartha's province), but 98 stays with me, just like all other Agartha's provinces.

>>156690670
>>156688285

>Enormous amounts of free provinces for High elves, dark elves, lizardmen
>Everyone else gets to fight for scraps

>>156691278
Nowhere near as many as you'd think, province distribution is pretty good.

>>156690909
>but 98 stays with me, just like all other Agartha's provinces.

Not if I have something to say about that.

>>156692734
You're not Arco unless you screenshot your turn, my dude.

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If those were boys, I bet the Greeks wouldn't have been so quick to abandon the siege.

>>156692797
Never claimed I am

You're still not getting all of Agartha's provinces

>>156693061
Say it to me in-game and not IRL and see what happens.

>>156687413
My jotun brother!

How do you tell if something is truly immobile or if it can teleport?

Sauromatia is now AI.

Assuming I did it right. I haven't actually done this before.

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>>156682241
Agartha to prevent your nudists from dying, come do some diplomancery before it is too late.

They are getting badly burned out at sun.

>>156694237

It'll say in the description, and show up under the key "special" in the inspector.

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>>156694237

>>156695169
>>156694237
Note that 'regular' immobiles like the Monolith or Demilich still can't use most movement spells, like Faery Trod, Cloud Trapeze, Stygian Paths, or Gateway. They can ONLY use Teleport

>>156694998
Cool, thanks. Looks like I can just empower my pretender three times and win the game. Potentially, at some unspecified time in the future.

>>156696014
That or use bishop fish.

>>156696038
I'd still have to empower once, unless I get a super lucky random, and then I'd need a fish traipsing all across the map. Still, might be worth it to have anyway, if this war takes longer than I expect.

I'm still in the path of the hurricane, power outages are looking likely. I'm about to do the current turn but I'll almost certainly need an extension for the next one.

>>156696014

Dies to Magic Duel

>>156696343
Do you have time to do a double? If you then when can squeeze out an extra turn before the break.

>>156692895
And people say Lemuria is the best turtle nation. I can vouch for Pan being great when you fuck up terribly in the first year but still don't want to lose.

>>156697576
How can you fuck up with Pan though?

Are those flagellants from an event?

>>156697663
Lose 40 white centaur to Vanheres year 1 and subsequently get your provinces steamrolled when they split up and blitz through your territory

>>156696473

Jokes on you, my demilich is S6

>>156697762
That's pretty much the only way though. Other wise it's you who are steamrolling.

>>156697959
I've also beaten Pangaea with a PD trap and earth melds, but that was no longer technically first year

>>156696343
How long?

Let it be known that Nargo is NAP breaking motherfucker.

>>156698818
>NAP
>domg

>>156699579
hey now, I stick to my deals and I know that most other high profile players do too

>>156699676

Sum1won will break the nap as soon as it is convenient. So will most other players.

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>>156699676
>high profile players
pic related

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>>156698818
>NAP

What's the best way to give cold resistance to large numbers of units around the middle levels of research?

>>156699676
>high profile players
You're a funny one.

>>156699676
NAPs are meant to be broken when it's convenient, especially in /domg/ games.
Honestly I don't bother with them.

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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ADMIN EXTEND THE TURNS TO 48 HOURS ALREADY

>>156700150
NaPs are also violated more often than they are not in games with named forum users. They were also violated more often than not historically, between sovereign nations.

>>156700086
Winter Ward in ench with W or Fire Resistance in alt with F

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The tale of the three stooges continues. I've kept a scout parked on Xibalba since a few dozen turns ago, and in that time:
>C'tis and Niefel have failed to understand how assassins work repeatedly
>C'tis and Niefel have taken turns sitting on the capital getting wrecked by assassins and never learning
>Xibalba meanwhile just sits there watching
>C'tis and Niefel have now started fighting over the cap neither of them could crack open over 30+ turns

Meanwhile monkeys are slowly making their way here since C'tis and Niefel didn't bother taking the adjacent bat forts, maybe they'll finally finish it, maybe they'll just join in on the great battle for the short bus. Would be funny if it's the latter.

>>156701589
What are they not understanding about assassins?

>>156701589
How do you get your hands on longdead giants?

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>lose a battle
>enemy loses three times as much gold as I do and has way worse gold scales and more bless

>>156701589
I'd really prefer to stay out of that place, also I imagine C'tis will be able to breach the walls now.

If you set things to defend commander, do they get in the way when that commander flees?

>>156702537
they move with the commander usually. unless paralyzed or something.

>>156702391
Giant nations get a chance to summon them with their regular longdead. It also makes HoS better for Ashdod

>>156702590
Neat.

>>156699852
Nonsense! Sum1won is very honorable with big penis.

>>156702903

t. Malakal

>>156702903
Forgot my name.

>>156702903

t. Malakal

Am I doing it right?

>>156700150
Two turns ago, I completed a NAP without breaking it.

I considered breaking it, of course, but for practical reasons I ended up not doing so.

Just go AI already people.

>>156698787
24h for now. If it's really bad I'll turn my phone on and post in the thread again to let you know. I'm inland, so it shouldn't be more than a couple days.

>>156704280
Which one of you fuckers figured out how to cast ritual spells without telling anyone anyway?

The hurricane is putzing around so if you guys get your turns in quick I can send mine in and then delay afterwords before I lose power

>>156704280
Extended 24h.

>>156704665
I'll add "Plays his Dominions turns outside during a hurricane to get better signal" to the NickFacts list

>>156704665
Who are you playing anyway?

>>156704857
Ermor

>>156704732
You don't even need to play them outside. Just play inside, then copy your turn file to your phone, make a makeshift ballista from planks and furniture, then launch your phone with embedded turn into the hurricane. This way you'll get the best signal

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>tfw my main drive crashed

Luckily I already took all my turns this morning so I'll be able to get things working again before I stale, but goddamn it I had so much stuff on that thing.

>>156704891
I guess I should just go AI now, huh?

>>156705027
Why?

>>156705131

It's an EA game. Ermor is fine.

>>156705131
Why not?

>>156705245
Because then I'll ask Llama for your e-mail, and ban you from llamaserver?

>>156705217
You know I totally forgot Ermor wasnt all skeletons all the time in EA. What do they even have?

>>156705348
EA ermor is basically an LA nation in the EA

>>156705348
Mostly Astral and Fire IIRC, but they're pretty diverse.

>>156705348
They're neat, actually. They have recuperating cavalry, so they CAN take a bless if they want one, but they're a human nation and therefore mostly a mage nation.

They have cheap S1F1 fire mages and expensive S/F/D mages out of every fort and some foreign rec fire/elemental mages.

The big mages do banefire, the little mages are mostly just used for astral, but later on in the game they're good at the fire end game stuff like pillars and flame storm on account of the ease with which they can communion up fire levels.

>lul

Reminder that Malakal is a Twitch chat level retard. If you see him in a game you admin, change his email address without telling him.

>>156705987
Don't be mean

>>156705987
If I'm gonna admin an anonymous game, and some shitter like t.Pan or Malakal join it, Imma set them AI, don't worry.

>>156705987
>mad cuz bad

>>156705987
t. Malakal

>>156704547
He could've at least cast Well of Misery or something. Or fata morgana if he only had air.

Hmm, so, let's say I have a D/S caster. First turn - Soul Drain. At the start of the next turn all fatigue will disappear (considering the enemy has a large army), so I cast Master Enslave. The next turn it will disappear again, so hypothetically I can cast Master Enslave two-three times in one battle, right?

>>156705310
It's very easy to get around an e-mail ban. Llama can CD-key ban, though, which is more effective

>>156706663
Okay, I'll talk to him about that.

>>156706663
Good luck, I have 5 copies of the game.

>>156706763
You'll have 1 less soon enough ;-*

>>156706869
I'll get 2 more just to spite you. :^)

>>156707317
But then you'll risk getting killed by Illuminati ;3

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>>156706064
I actually like t. Pan

>>156707601
Do you like players going AI after a single battle? I'm done talking to you.

>>156706068
Don't get mad, get Vlad

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>>156707674
t. Pan a cute! You're just a meanie

>>156694779
He died doing what he loved.

I'll be on the steam chat until the power goes out in my region.

>>156707869
You're R'lyeh in Latus3, right?

Prepare to die.

>>156706763
I thought I was the only one who did this