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Welcome to Sonic the Hedgehog General. Let's talk about Sonic games, old and new, and the entire franchise including animation and comics. Share art, music, talk about new developments, discuss ROM hacks, speedrunning, etc.

/sthg/ - #571 - Instant Ramen Edition

>Link Compilation<
http://pastebin.com/J6hTXkhK (embed)

>Drawfag/Writefag Idea Walls<
http://pastebin.com/j8KkPQ4n (embed)
http://pastebin.com/jNKKMk5b (embed)

>News/Developments<
Sonic Mania Collector’s Edition for North America Announcement
https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/775697390154100741 (embed)

The Creative Director of Sonic Boom: Fire & Ice Speaks out on Changes over Shattered Crystal
https://www.sonicstadium.org/2016/09/the-creative-director-of-sonic-boom-fire-ice-speaks-out-on-changes-over-shattered-crystal/

SAGE 2016 Announced (October 15th to 22nd)
http://www.tssznews.com/2016/09/02/sage-2016-announced/

Third Sega 3D Classics physical collection announced in Japan
http://www.tssznews.com/2016/08/30/third-sega-3d-classics-physical-collection-announced-in-japan/

>Recent and Upcoming Releases<
Green Hill Paradise, a 3D Sonic fan game is now out.
Trailer here: [YouTube] Green Hill Paradise - Act 2: RELEASE TRAILER (embed)
Download here: https://mega.nz/#!bdtByBRB!QENQpUU2fzjYSs79s0Y0lR5Zx1Tt5CI6v3f-buPsUo4

Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games is out now for 3DS and Wii U.

Sonic Boom: Fire & Ice is out for the 3DS on September 27th.

The Sonic X seasons 1 and 2 collection will be released September 27th.

Sonic Boom's first season has ended! You can watch all of the first season's episodes in English here:
http://www.watchcartoononline.com/anime/sonic-boom
Season 2 will air later this year.

Previous Thread: >>155127830

Sorry about the embeds and pic. Made this in a hurry and I have to go.
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>instant ramen
I don't get it, but I'll take it.
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>>155224128
>how Gerald got revenge on humanity
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Xth for making Cassia an adorable holo-deer
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>>155224039
>http://pastebin.com/J6hTXkhK (embed)
>(embed)
Why would you do that
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>>155224128
so this is the real reason Gerald wanted to destroy the earth
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thoughts on Sonic RUSH Adventure?
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>>155224560
haven't played it yet but I plan to after I finish Rush
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>>155224039
>(embed)
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>Sorry about the embeds and pic
watch as the spoiler will be in the next thread too
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>>155224560
If it wasn't for the material grinding, ship sailing, and having to wait before playing as Blaze then it'd be better than Rush.
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>>155224560
I wasn't as big a fan of Rush Adventure as I was of Rush. Don't know why.
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>inb4 random Katella art
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>>155224358
Twan is a little fuccboi. Bunnie constantly molests him.
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>Dimps makes the Sonic Advance series which is good
>Dimps makes the Sonic Rush series which is good
how did Dimps fuck up Sonic 4 when they made 5 good Sonic games
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>>155224791
i'm not Katellafag
I have only 6 pics of her
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>>155224821
>Implying he minds at all
>Implying he doesn't enjoy it
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>>155224324
She can still have tonfa, and phase through walls with glowing eyes scaring Chao shitless, while Clove, Sally, Nicole and Ellidy look on in delight.
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>>155224912
Sonic 4 was a cheap mobile cashgrab with the 4 stuck onto it, that's why.
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>>155224324
Sally and Nicole team vs Clove and holo Cassia
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>>155224912
Because Sonic 4 was originally intended to be a mobile cash-grab, meaning it was low budget, short deadline, done by a group of entry-level salarymen.
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>>155225062
What other kinds of stuff would she use that form for?
Searching the FFs internet history?
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>>155225013
>picking him up by cupping his ass
Bunnie, pls.
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>>155225157
>Stand battle
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>>155224791
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>>155225198
What would each of the Freedom Fighter's internet histories be?

Including porn
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>>155225260
this with Sally and Clove when
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>>155225321
There isn't an internet speed fast enough for Sonic.
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>>155225198
She wouldn't need to search. In between page loads, legends say you can sometimes see her standing behind you, always judging, never blinking.
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>>155225321
Won't get into specifics, but from most clean to most "What the fuck"

Cream>Antoine>Bunnie>Sonic>Amy>Rotor>Nicole>Sally
Big doesn't use the internet
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>>155225471
I wonder what Sonic's favorite kind of chili dog is.
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Has this been posted?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49cHX7mMdiI
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>>155225772
yes
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>>155224916
I'm a Robotnikman.

Robotnikman

Burning out his fuse up here alone
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Bunnie, no. Antoine is not for sexual.
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I want a new Sonic PC port, what is SEGA Europe up to?
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>>155224916
>I have only 6 pics of her
Wow, managed to collect every piece of fan art of her eh? Good job!
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>>155225719
Sonic actually has some really generic taste in chili dogs.
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>>155226180
He needs to add some mustard to it.
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>>155226050
>Antoine is not for sexual.
He's not called the greatest lover on Mobius for nothin' anon
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>>155226180
Sonic should make a chili dog out of himself.
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What would Cassia's holo form even look like? Would it just look like her in her pajamas?
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>>155226304
>"You hush. He's still a young-un."
... I don't get it. Are they gonna play cards or something? I heard that's what married couples do when they're alone.
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Who is going to animate the new Sonic movie?
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>>155227110
It's live-action/CGI hybrid with Marza handling the CGI.
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>>155227154
The live-action decision still baffles me.
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>>155226846
It'd look like her organic self.
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>>155226081
:^) to you too
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Sally Acorn kissing Sonic the Hedgehog
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>>155227248
>The live-action decision still baffles me.
Why? It's so they can have some bland human audience surrogate character. Sonic and friends will show up in the real world and help him with his mundane upper middle class white people problems, like getting that promotion at the advertisement firm he works at, and getting the equally bland girl of his dreams. Just like nearly every adaptation of properties starring non-human protagonists ever.
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>>155224821
She even decides when he eats. She has total control of that coyote.
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>>155224039
You forgot the thread theme.
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>>155227789
Man, I have no hope for this thing.
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>>155226869
I don't know but my mom invited someone to her bedroom and I heard a lot of squeaking coming from behind the door so maybe they were jumping on the bed?

>>155227789
C-Come on now, anon. M-maybe they'll just u-use real world footage for backgrounds, a-and add in what they need for characters and objects, like in that D-Dinosaur movie from Disney.

R-Right??....

>>155228135
Fucboi coyote edition?
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>>155228220
>I don't know but my mom invited someone to her bedroom and I heard a lot of squeaking coming from behind the door so maybe they were jumping on the bed?
Huh. Adults are weird.

>C-Come on now, anon. M-maybe they'll just u-use real world footage for backgrounds, a-and add in what they need for characters and objects, like in that D-Dinosaur movie from Disney.
>R-Right??....
Oh... Oh honey, no. No...
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>>155224560
Grinding for materials was a chore but aside from that it was pretty much nothing but fun.
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>>155228135
I don't think that's going to catch on, anon. Too much work, we can't even keep that Green Hill Paradise trailer to stay a link.
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Bunnie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpT-FW_G8-A
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I hope that Mania Collector's Edition is selling well.

I fully expect a Project 2017 Collector's Edition too.
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>>155206981
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>>155227110
Avi Arad will direct it
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Is the script for the Sonic movie even finished yet?
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>>155229338
no but the writers are reading the comics
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>>155229214
>>155206981
LOL
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>>155229523
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>>155224560
Fun game, just like Rush. Waterbike and hovercraft was okay, but I could do without the other vehicles. Story was enjoyable with nice interaction between characters as well. A good time all around.

>3DS Rush never (Gens 3DS is the best we're gonna get)
>Sonic and Blaze bro-op gameplay never
>Naganuma will never work on another Sonic title
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>>155229965
I doubt Blaze will ever be playable again, really.
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>>155224560
One of the best special stages in the entire franchise.
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>>155230194
A damn shame too. I honestly found her to be more fun to play as in both games since you could pull off some massive air time.
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What do you guys think Blaze thinks of the Arkbird?
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>>155230194
>>155230309
>Blaze helped introduce boost gameplay
>will never be playable in any console boost game
fake ad gay
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>>155230509
Yup, at least we have mods.
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I want Sumo Digital to make a new Sonic Riders.
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>>155229965
why is bean wearing wanders hat?
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>>155231617
Because Wander doesn't need it anymore
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>>155231889
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>>155224560
Played up to Big Swell and then stopped. Based on consensus I only missed emmowold grinding, the true final boss, and the twist being "EGGMAN AND NEGA WERE BEHIND IT ALL ALONG WOW WHO KNEW"

Had fun though. Marine, Captain Whatever, and Johnny were fun characters and the level design was really solid. I have yet to play Rush though.

LA LAAAAAA LA LAAAAA LA LAAAAAA A NEW VENTURE LA LAAAAAA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBLVrmVeHyI
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>>155231615
I'd rather have a new kart racer.
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This character is Perfect
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>>155232375
>one of the current and longest reigning WWE tag team champions is calling out our Sonic twitter memer
>over hot peppers
This is both really weird and amazing.

Aaron better eat a ghost pepper.
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Please don't kill her.
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>Fills and posts request
>Looks at wall a few days later to find it still infufilled
>Looks at booru a short while ago
>The image isn't on there
>Didn't want to bring it up because I didn't want to seem like an atention whore
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>>155233250
Requests can take months to fill anon. Just wait patiently and I'm sure someone will fill it soon enough.
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>>155232945
Is that what they really wanted him to look like all along? I think Iizuka or somebody said that in response to people questioning the redesign after it was revealed.
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>>155233450
I think he means he filled it, anon.
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>>155233450
No, he's saying he filled one.
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>>155233450
Oh no I meant as in I drew a request, but it looks like it got overlooked.
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>>155233250
Post it/upload it. There's always a chance I missed it while going through all the threads or fireden screwed up and didn't archive it (like that blaze and silver back to the future pic).
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>>155226304
>robotic lower half
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>>155232375
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>>155233681
It was in response to Perfect Chaos skateboarding. If it is on the booru I apologize for being blind.
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>>155228220
Who did your mom invite over, Cream?
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>>155233852
They had kids somehow so whatever's down there not only still works but apparently works really well.
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>>155234038
maybe they "adopted"
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>>155234012
Looks like I just missed it, then. Apologies. It's on there now.
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this is a Perfect thread
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>>155234257
Thanks anon
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Which one has the best outfit?
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>>155234695
Maw for sure
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>>155234695
Sally. Then again it's probably because I love the idea of Sally being embarrassed to wear more feminine attire
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>>155234020
Around gators, ask questions later!
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>>155234695
None of them, honestly.
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>>155234038
>kids have cybernetics
yeah
really well
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>>155234020
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>>155234470
Thank you for bringing it up. I think it's just me and the ride archive anon trying to go and save all the OC stuff, so there's bound to be some that we accidentally miss.
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>>155234695
Thunderbolt of course!
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>>155236047
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Personally I do not like the comics because of the horrible characterization that happens in them. I believe Ian is a bad character writer as he seems more event and status quo driven than anything else, usually looking at the end goal way before he should and completely forgetting that the ride and journey can and sometimes should be better than the destination.

The FFs who aren't named Sonic have very little motivation or characterization outside of what they say a lot of the times and even before the reboot Ian demonstrated a very lacking display of skill when writing characters as per example with the entireity of the Iron Dominion arc, Fiona, Rosemary, Tails and to a point even Sally who all suffered either from character displacement where what they said and what they did were almost completely different or in the case of Tails faced complete and utter stagnation.

At the same time I honestly cannot say that he isn't biased towards the characters he does write. He seems more intent on building the world around the FFs rather than building the FFs themselves as a lot of side characters seem to have more goals and defining traits than the FFs themselves and characters like Mighty, Sonic, Knuckles and Shadow seem to have their character traits cranked up at a constant rate of 11. While admittedly Sonic's character seems to have suffered from poor characterization as well with the recent and poorly demonstrated Werehog powers he still seems to have at least twice as much character than anyone else around him besides aforementioned and maybe Amy.

Please no Haterino on my opinionino.
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>>155235456
>this beta Trioceros thinks he has a chance, but I only like big hulking Crocodyluses
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>>155237141
That's nice.
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>>155237141
I respect your opinion, but please try to avoid long-winded arguments/"heated discussions" about it.
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>>155237141
as long as you aren't a dick I don't care
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>>155237141
no fuck you, Snively and Froggy are perfection
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>>155232956
>>155232375
Wow, Aaron really hit it home with PR, didn't he?
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>>155237141
I feel like Ian lets himself get torn between the source material and the fan base. On one hand, the source material demands that the comic be more event and status quo driven instead of character driven. On the other hand, the fans like the Freedom Fighters and want them to stay. The result is a bloated main cast with ill-defined one-note personalities and little opportunity to meaningfully develop them.

I don't hate the Freedom Fighters, but the main cast can't stay at its bloated state and still be good, and I'd rather see the Freedom Fighters be demoted than any game characters.
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>>155238516
At the very least, he (and the other Sonic social media guys) have made these waits in between major things a little more bearable and fun.
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>>155235053
This. It's too tacky, like dresses you'd see a doll wear, and almost like a parody of Victorian and childrens clothing, not something actual people would wear.
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>>155239056
agreed
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>>155233250
Sorry anon, I was bogged down with work all last week and I likely missed it. What was it?
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>>155235526
>>155233681
Speaking of, here's the Back to the Future pic.
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>>155237589
Snively is objectively GOAT-tier character
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>finally got both tests done for this week
any drawing requests for when I come back

drawfag idea wall is tl;dr
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>>155240747
Thanks, anon!
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>>155240994
Jian licking the edge of her tail blade
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>>155240994
Metal Sonic giving Thunderbolt a piggyback ride
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>>155240994
Sonic playing a bootleg Sonic game.

>>155240934
Snively being great is one of the two divine constants of Sonic, the other is great music.
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>>155240994
Congrats anon. Hope you did well on them.

Would you be up for a Sally version of "boy-molesting fruit"? http://imgur.com/BuwnsXD
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>>155240994
Bunnie playing a banjo under a tree

>>155240934
I'm glad we have a "Starscream" in the franchise, and he does it pretty well all things considered.

>>155241281
>that link
D-Do I want to even know?
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>>155241209
>the other is great music
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>>155232375
Best promo he's ever cut. Which reminds me, RAW is coming up tonight.
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>>155241398
Oh just click it you baby.

Also, I kinda want to see a version of this with Tails and Rosemary
"...!"
"Oh, you like that, huh? I'm your *mother*"
"That's kind of hot."
"OH"
"MY GOD"
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>>155224560
>>155224560
Will we ever see him and C. Whiskers again?
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>>155241841
Not a chance.
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>>155241423
Honestly, even Chronicles had some good songs. It had some terrible songs too but about half the music would be legitimately good if it was properly composed for the DS soundchip.
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Guys what's the birthday's for Bump and Sage?

Like do we have specific dates? Does anyone remember
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>>155242220
9/11 and 4/20
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>>155242220
/sthg/'s birthday - July 25th, 2014
Bump's birthday - August 5th, 2014
Sage's birthday - August 4th, 2015
Thread #100 - November 5th, 2014
Thread #200 - March 23rd, 2015
Thread #300 - August 23rd, 2015
Thread #400 - February 1st, 2016
Thread #500 - July 13th, 2016
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>>155241087
What is your obsession with Jian licking the edge of her bladed tail?
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>>155242490
It's on the idea wall and I'd like to see it done.
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>>155242397
Cool. Thanks.
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>>155242397
>August 5th
Huh, I share a birthday with Bump.
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>>155242397
>I was here and actively involved in all but one of these milestones
Never thought I'd be an oldfag of anything, let alone a Sonic general.
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>>155238604
>>155238604
I think there's a very reasonable way to solve this issue after Unleashed ends. Here's what I was thinking

>Sally gets disillusioned after realizing how many times she got her friends killed because of what she thinks is her poor judgement. So in a state of distress, she disbands the Freedom Fighters and goes back to being a normal princess (This can last as long or short as you want) until she gains some self confidence
>After the FFs disband, they go their separate ways
>Antoine stays behind in Mobotropolis to serve in the Royal Guard and train new recruits
>Nicole stays with Sally to help her and try to get her confidence up
>Rotor goes off to do whatever, probably build weapons and shit in his workshop. Or he uses the Sky Patrol to help Bunnie search for her parents
>Sonic and Tails go off to explore the world and have fun

This is the status quo I think could be maintained up to issue 300 and beyond, at least for the FFs
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>>155242552
Considering this was made by one guy in Blender and Gimp after working 6 years, it could be worse.
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>>155242750
Been here since day 1 yet this whole general still only feels like it was made a few months back. Can't believe it's been two years already. Here's to thread #600, I guess.
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>>155242847
>more ideas
no, please no
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Who's the coldest woman in this franchise?
Who's the grumpiest old woman in this franchise?

>>155242397
you forgot the 2012 milestone(s)
aka it dying :^)
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>>155240994
Blaze and knuckles both spawning fire fists, preparing for a fight,
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>>155243112
What's wrong with these ideas? They don't seem too OoC for the FFs and this wouldn't be permanent. Also since they're not all together on the Sky Patrol you can focus on them individually and develop them.
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>>155242552
Whatever 2D animation I'm going to make of the Fighters Arc will probably look worse than this, just letting you know
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>>155242847
Your ideas are bad and you should feel bad.
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>>155243128
>grumpiest old woman
Probably Wendy on a bad day
>coldest woman
Tundra's wife
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>>155243285
How so? I'm open to criticism and creative input
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>>155243128
>Who's the coldest woman in this franchise?
uh Fiona I guess, I think she's the least affectionate one

>Who's the grumpiest old woman in this franchise?
Mama Robotnik

how so?
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>>155243326
>Tundra's wife
did we ever see her?

>>155243524
>how so?
/r/ing pic related so that D.va is Tails

>Mama Robotnik
oh fuck that's good Ana

>Fiona
eh probably not so good as Mei
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>>155243331
Not him, but your idea with Sally is needlessly melodramatic. Nigel is already injured, all you need to do is have Sally stay at home to look after the kingdom while he's recovering. Then she can come back at any time with the explanation that Nigel's recovered.
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>>155243828
>Not him, but your idea with Sally is needlessly melodramatic. Nigel is already injured, all you need to do is have Sally stay at home to look after the kingdom while he's recovering. Then she can come back at any time with the explanation that Nigel's recovered.
That works too. In fact, I think we can entertain both ideas. She becomes overwhelmed trying to lead the FFs and fill in for her father at the same time, disbands the FFs for a while, focuses on being a ruler, and becomes a lot more self confident and a better leader so that by the time they're reformed a while down the line, they're reformed with a much more confident, more focused Sally
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>>155243234
If I'm free I wouldn't mind helping with that. Although I probably won't cuz I'm lazy and dumb.
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>>155243775
>did we see her?
I think the joke was that she's dead.
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>>155244135
That's just cold. Kind of like Antoine's parents
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>>155243775
Mei's Chinese right?
make it Li Moon
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>>155244089
I want it to look decent, but I'm still learning the basics so it's going to take a long time to get somewhere. Some reassurance, I'm the best in my class.
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>>155244384
I'm graduating for animation soon.
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>>155240320

>>155234012
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>>155244554
Awesome. I'm part of an umbrella major called "digital media", but the knowledge and planning behind 3D projects like that video is not my forte at ALL. I'm better with 2D stuff, so I'll likely switch to a major with that in mind.
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>>155241209
I'd bet actual money that Snively's master plan is the main focus of issue 300 and the arc surrounding it. The aftermath of Unleashed puts him in the perfect position to launch it
>Freedom Fighters, GUN, and Eggman are focused on dealing with the aftermath of Unleashed and trying to get things back to normal
>Master Emerald is back to normal
>Team Dark is off chasing Eclipse
>Nigel is injured so a lot of FF attention will likely be focused at home
Stars are aligned, all he needs to do is act
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>>155232375
they should get him and aaron to fight it out. and then when they're done, superbunnyhop just comes on and casually outdoes them both. In his video he does a live eat and isn't even bothered. He forgoes the milk.
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>>155244242
I feel like as if Li Moon was the only girl to actively go after Tails. That really says something.
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>>155245654
Well, her and Barby, but nobody cares about Barby
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>>155245705
Barby literally did nothing wrong. Fuck anyone who said that says otherwise.
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>>155243775
>did we ever see her?

Technically yes, although not exactly in the best of positions.
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>>155245793
She never did anything.
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>>155243128
>coldest
Fiona, Tails' mom, or Pre-boot Rouge
>Grumpiest old woman
Mama Robotnik
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Man I forgot how bad some of the adventure story/cutscenes were.
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>>155243128
>Coldest
Pic fucking related
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I find it funny that we've gone from wanting the FF to not being tied down to the kingdom to wanting the total opposite.
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>>155246697
Well only like 3 of them would be, and all 3 of them were always connected to the kingdom to begin with. Sonic and Tails would do their own thing, with Amy maybe joining. Bunnie and Rotor would be off doing their own thing
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>>155229523

There's a much larger version at the source listed on the booru post.

MUCH larger.
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>>155246691
What even was the idea behind Lightning? Was he like the evil Crash Bandicoot of the series? Looking at him kinda gives me that vibe in some panels.
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>>155242649
Are you clumsy as well?
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>>155247120
He was supposed to be the anti-Espio. The Destructix were originally the Anti-Chaotix, but that idea was just kind of forgotten about forever
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>>155246592
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>>155246691
And that day Lightning learn that only because you love someone it doesn't means that is gonna give that love back
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also have some rouges.
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>>155243775
>>155244242
yes
seconding this
I need more art of her
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>>155242397
>/sthg/'s birthday - July 25th, 2014
>Bump's birthday - August 5th, 2014
I can't believe we created Bump just a few days after the general first started.
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>>155245420
>Master Emerald is back to normal
Man, that's gonna be the ass pull of the century. Super Sonic and the Gaia Colossus are about 5 minutes away from beating the final boss and restoring the planet while Knuckles probably hasn't even got half of the ME shards.

Still, Snively getting the upper hand and beating Eggman at his own game after all the years of abuse and playing second fiddle would be pretty tight for an anniversary event. Shame the SGW went and retconned Snively being Eggman's nephew and favorite punching bag, but them being implied to be rogue members of GUN is a pretty cool plot point. Maybe Eggman went rogue after finding out what GUN did to his grandfather and (aunt???)
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>>155244554
Do you have something you've made to show?
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>>155237141
>He seems more intent on building the world around the FFs

Because the world they were in was destroyed. The FFs have their pre-reboot characterization, origin stories, and tidbits throughout the reboot. It's no surprise he would focus more on making the toyhouse before playing.
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>>155243524
why would you do that, stupid hedgehog.
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>>155247614
>Man, that's gonna be the ass pull of the century. Super Sonic and the Gaia Colossus are about 5 minutes away from beating the final boss and restoring the planet while Knuckles probably hasn't even got half of the ME shards.
You're behind aren't you? It just got restored. Granted, it got restored by Where's Wally but still>>155247614
>Still, Snively getting the upper hand and beating Eggman at his own game after all the years of abuse and playing second fiddle would be pretty tight for an anniversary event. Shame the SGW went and retconned Snively being Eggman's nephew and favorite punching bag, but them being implied to be rogue members of GUN is a pretty cool plot point. Maybe Eggman went rogue after finding out what GUN did to his grandfather and (aunt???)
I'm amazed they were allowed to get away with implying backstory for Eggman.
Perhaps it's canon
Actually, him being a rogue GUN agent would explain some parts of Adventure 2

But yeah, Snively masterplanning like crazy is amazing. Also, using the Master Emerald to reactivate the FUCKING ECLIPSE CANNON (Why else would he have the ARK as a goal to reach?
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>>155247614
Maria is Eggman's cousin.
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>>155247460
Those were some whirlwind days back then. I should go back and read the archives for old times sake one day.
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>>155246810
Bunnie is connected to the kingdom by way of her husband, and I'm pretty sure Rotor is indirectly bankrolled by them if he could build something like the Sky Patrol.

But the way I see it, tying them down to the kingdom would remove them as major characters but would still allow for them to return in guest roles. Like Sonic and company run around the arctic fucking around with Tundra and joins up with Rotor. Or they run into Bunnie and Antoine who are investigating a secret plot being done by an Egg Boss. Or they run into Sally who's off doing diplomatic missions and she helps them handle a threat.
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>>155247276
Nice as always, dude. Is it alright if you draw Rouge, Blaze and Amy together?
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>>155247731
There's no point of a toy house if the toys aren't even there though.

Sacrificing characterization and development for world building is never justified because the two should come together naturally if you're a good writer.
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>>155247182
Sometimes I can be a klutz, yes.
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>>155247903
I get really nostalgic doing that, and I feel bad thinking I'm the only one who cares.

It's funny... this place actually managed to affect me/my life a bit. /blog
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>>155247913
>But the way I see it, tying them down to the kingdom would remove them as major characters but would still allow for them to return in guest roles. Like Sonic and company run around the arctic fucking around with Tundra and joins up with Rotor. Or they run into Bunnie and Antoine who are investigating a secret plot being done by an Egg Boss. Or they run into Sally who's off doing diplomatic missions and she helps them handle a threat.
Very true, although with Bunnie, Sonic is more likely to run into her looking for her parents/family after Unleashed is done. But something like you envisioned is how I see things going for a while. They got everyone together for the big mission, now things will die down, Sally fills in for Daddy, and everyone does their own thing. Kind of reminds me of the post Adventure adaptation days where everyone just kind of did whatever
>>155248082
The toys are there though. There hasn't been enough characterization for the FFs yet, granted, but there's still a decent amount to work with right now. The only ones who are lacking are Antoine and Nicole. Certain characters like Bunnie have actually gotten more here than they usually get
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>>155248001
I could do. I've never drawn blaze before. At least I don't think so. I'm just going through the games by release and sketching from the cutscenes.

Case in point.
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>>155248203
how did it change your life anon? was it for the better?


can you feel the sunshine?
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>>155242552
Ouch man, that feel when the will is there but the skill isn't.
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>>155248536
>I know that feel
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Booru is tagged, thanks to those who helped tag!

I see the tag aliases I submitted got approved, which is cool. Unfortunately, it broke pics with Cassia, Clove, and Thunderbolt tags, so I'm gonna have to go fix those later.
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>>155248536
>>155248743
>I am the physical embodiment of that feel
Kill me, lads
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>>155248743
>pic
kek
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>>155248743
Oh please, the only will Penders has is finding the latest Star Trek rip off he wants to put into his fanfiction next
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>>155248947
I always forget Amy has a pretty good figure
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>>155248218
What about Sally, Big, Cream, Tails and Blaze? Are you going to say they have defined characters outside of what we know before the reboot which shouldn't even count as it is a fucking reboot and it's been 3 years and yet these characters do not have any motivations or justifications as to why they do anything except for maybe Tails in some cases?

Again, sacrificing characterizations of main characters for world building is not justifiable because the two should come naturally if you're a good writer. That's pretty much a medium of story telling.
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>>155247892
>You're behind aren't you? It just got restored.
Yeah, I've only read SU up to 89, that's as far as SonicScanF goes I believe. I really need to start getting these comics myself.
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>>155249019
Yeah Adventure Amy was curvier than I remembered. Her and Rouge are almost on par because they probably used Amy's model as Rouge's base.
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>>155249086
>What about Sally, Big, Cream, Tails and Blaze? Are
Sally is actively better off in terms of characterization than she ever was pre-reboot (At least post endgame), Cream and Blaze I will give you reluctantly, and Big's characterization in the comics is pretty much 1:1 to the games and he's never been a character with any real motivations. He's like Sonic in that he just "is".

And Tails, well Tails as a character has a lot of issues, some of which come from the comic, but a lot of which come from the games. He's a character that needs a lot of work the comic can't deliver on because of its limitations

Also at the very least Blaze's actions HAD justifications
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>>>155248743

>implying

if that were the case we would've seen more of TLSC by now, instead of him bitching about Trump all day on twitter
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>>155249650
>Sally is actively better off in terms of characterization than she ever was pre-reboot
I honestly think she was at her best in the early comics (not SatAM though).
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>>155247614
> but them being implied to be rogue members of GUN is a pretty cool plot point
When / where was this?
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>>155249650
In what way is Sally better off?
I'm not going to say she was good in Preboot because she had all the baggage of Pre-Ian writer's shitfest but at least she had motivations and justifications. You could understand why she did what she did even though she was fucking retarded at times.

As of right now we have no idea why she's the leader of the FF's other than because she's the princess and everyone just let's her be what she wants. She has no real character motivation outside of "tragic past" and her relationship with her teammates is literally non-existent outside of Nicoles.

So literally only 1-2 of the Freedom Fighters have any sort of character even if we if settled on what you said.
Given I will say that Tails' problem extends a bit further than the comic but he can still be his own character and in fact there has been amble of times when Ian could have shown it when Sonic was away but he didn't.

And none of this is even going into the fact that we don't even know what the FF's think of eachother outside of Bunnie relationship with Antoine and Tails which provide problems in their own right.
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>>155248456
I'm not elaborating today. It feels gay and I don't feel like getting bullied right now.
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>>155250280
Honestly this guy is right. Everyone's too far gone to be honest, so we should just relegate them to the background and focus on Sonic and Tails for a while, maybe have the FFs show up individually once a year or so
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>>155250537
Fuck off you filthy false flagger you are not ruining this conversation. kys desu.
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>>155250637
I'm being serious. Fixing them would require too much focus on certain characters, taking away screentime from characters like Sonic, Tails, or other main characters. They have too little to work with for main characters, but enough to work with for background characters. Make them characters that show up every once in a while for a one off plot like say, Lupe and be done with it.
I think it's a perfectly reasonable solution. People complain that the FFs get too much prominence, so this would fix that
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>>155250227
Super Digest #12 featured a mini-story where Snively was being interrogated by GUN, in which he was a former agent that was solicited by Eggman into going rogue and becoming his right-hand man.
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>>155247903
>>155248203
Remember casually mentioning Bump Girl for some reason, probably because the thread got slow.
Some other anon comes around saying that Bump Girl is something they haven't heard for a long time, we start posting old memes.
Another anon joins in.
MFW my comment inadvertently started the process of someone creating Bump.

I wish to go back, go back to simpler times.

MFW thread shits itself over Sage when someone comes up with her.
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>>155250637
Not him, but the main cast currently consists of 10 characters. TEN! Nobody has room to breath without causing three other characters to be pushed into the background. The Freedom Fighters would actually get more development and more focus if they were "demoted" to recurring guest characters instead of main protagonists.
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>>155250974
>MFW thread shits itself when _____ gets created
Happens all the time. I got so much shit for creating Bait the Betta I was almost called the "new Penders" and run out of the general. You guys need to get the OC stick out of your ass before it destroys you.
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>>155251049
Which is why i'm saying shove them to the background, focus on Sonic and Tails for a while, and have them show up very infrequently, so that when they do show up, it's refreshing. Maybe have one show up one year and another the next. Cycle through them so you'd get one every few years.
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>>155250537
>>155250746
>People complain that the FFs get too much prominence, so this would fix that
You in particular. For fuck's sake, we've had this discussion more times than I can remember, nobody has budged, and I'm pretty certain you or some other poster like you got blackballed here and went off to complain on /v/. I can't tell if you're just trolling or you're a genuine but dense wonk, but I think it's pretty clear that you're the only one that wants this cycle to continue. Just quit while you're behind.

>>155251049
>>155251150
And I'm pretty sure you're samefagging. So there.
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>>155250746
>>155251049
Okay fine, I'll let this slide but only because he's proven himself to not be actually fucking retarded and destroying any integrity the conversation had.

I do agree that they need to chill and cut it out with the huge cast of characters and that the FF need to be toned down a bit to individually build each of them.
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>>155251249
>And I'm pretty sure you're samefagging. So there.
>Two people can't agree on something I disagree with
Come on anon
>>155251283
>I do agree that they need to chill and cut it out with the huge cast of characters and that the FF need to be toned down a bit to individually build each of them.
I dunno about building them. Seems kind of late to be establishing fundamentals.
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>>155251148
I missed that shitshow, thanks only to the swatbot. Hell, I was happy when Sage turned up and it was only one or two anons who didn't want Sage, but they shit all over everything.

My advice, just keep posting Bait until someone else starts posting her. It's an OC that actually fits with the general.
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>>155251148
I kinda liked that character, I might draw them when I get the time
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>>155248325
Alright then. Liking your work so far.
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>>155226439
He already did.
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>>155251148
You were ran out because you literally tried to force people into accepting YOUR oc.

Sage and Bump were both OCs that were created by various people with ideas. Not a singular person and that's why people took the offensive against you.

I'm not defending or attacking either side just clearing things up.
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>>155251562
Thanks anon.

Never watched the cutscenes for Heroes before, oy vey.
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>>155251359
>I dunno about building them. Seems kind of late to be establishing fundamentals.
Okay you can get out now you are not welcomed in this conversation as you have now established that you have no conclusive or informed idea on how stories are written.

You are ignored from here on out because your opinion is both shitty and dense at best.
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>>155251148
You keep making this same post over and over again. I think the only one that needs to get a stick out of his ass is you.
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>>155251781
>Okay you can get out now you are not welcomed in this conversation as you have now established that you have no conclusive or informed idea on how stories are written.
But why though? 30 issues into a comic isn't the time to build fundamentals. That should've been set up really early on. Now it's past the first arc, everything's supposed to be in place, and now it's too late to get people to care about the FFs. I see a decent amount of people wanting them to be demoted to background characters and I agree with that notion. Better to demote them then dedicate more screentime to characters that wont' develop
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>>155251810
What do you expect?
The guy literally proved himself to be stupid when he couldn't grasp the fact that a majority of the people in the thread didn't want or care for his OC and he took offense to that when he came to that realization. The guy has a deviantart tier ego.
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>>155251391
>My advice, just keep posting Bait until someone else starts posting her.
And give people grounds to call it a forced meme? Sounds like a bad idea.
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>>155251596
>>155251978
Except I never directly commanded you to accept her as "canon", and spent the rest of the thread trying to explain that through your autistic sperg rage. Please stop making me the bad guy when I did nothing wrong.
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>>155251573
>Battle of the Bulge
*Panzerlied intensifies*
I bet Rotor watches old war movies when he's not busy tinkering. What other character would appreciate good kino? Battle of the Bulge wasn't good kino
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>>155249086
>these characters do not have any motivations or justifications

I'm scratching my head wondering how you believe this outside of Big.
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>>155252134
Please provide me the list of why each character is fighting Eggman and then with that reason give me why they are justified to have that reason.
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>>155252134
Well why do any of the characters do what they do? Just cause? Why does Bunnie fight? Or Rotor, or why does Sally lead? We don't have answers, they don't have motivations. They're not really characters and shouldn't be treated as important characters. They should be like those Unleashed NPCs from the backups in terms of relevance . They have about as much to them anyways both in terms of motivation and characterization
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>>155251596
>You were ran out because you literally tried to force people into accepting YOUR oc.
This never happened.
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>>155252114
Your explanation was enough to prove that you wanted people to use and want her like they do Sage and Bump even though it was only you who created it.

You were literally damage controlling yourself. You can call us autistic all you want but you are just as equally at fault for believing that anyone gave a fuck about her to begin with.

Even now you still try to spite the general about it so that already means you were at the very least attached to the idea enough to actually feel like grudging someone on it is justifiable.
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Can everyone please just shut the fuck up about OCs already? It was mutually agreed upon after Sage was accepted that we'd have no more OCs period. Why is that such a hard concept?

Let what happened in the past go already it'd be better for everyone.
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>>>/v/352368206
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>>155252437
>Your explanation was enough to prove that you wanted people to use and want her like they do Sage and Bump even though it was only you who created it.
This is false. I posted a picture with a name, that is IT.
>You were literally damage controlling yourself. You can call us autistic all you want but you are just as equally at fault for believing that anyone gave a fuck about her to begin with.
You were the one causing a scene over it, other people either didn't care or didn't mind. The damage wasn't MY fault.
>Even now you still try to spite the general about it so that already means you were at the very least attached to the idea enough to actually feel like grudging someone on it is justifiable.
No shit I cared about the character, I wasted time out of my day making it and bothered to share it here. If you're so adamant about that, why don't you audibly complain about Shitpost the Scarab or other OCs made by one person? Because I bothered to call you on your bullshit? Get a grip and leave me alone.
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>>155252796
You know, you are the perfect example as to why everyone who makes OCs is fucking awful. You bitch and moan about how nobody will accept your character, blame others for your retardation, and act like a whiny bitch.

OC shitters like you need to be driven from the fandom
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>arguing over OCs
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>>155252796
Dude you're the only one continuing this shitstorm on yourself. No one cares anymore. Let it go.
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>>155252192
Eggman will take over the world if they don't stop him that works for pretty much every character
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>>155252926
>>155253069
"Here's a character I made, what do you think"
"DIE DIE DIE WORST PERSON ON THE PLANET FOREVER"
"Jesus, what is your problem"
"OH MY GOD, NOBODY CARES EXCEPT YOU"

How does a human being function with this tiny of a brain
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>>155253314
Except Nephytes and the desert Freedom Fighters so you already have characters that work against that kind of theming.
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>>155227110
>tfw you recognize this guy's name from Thomas
Autism's one helluva drug.
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so anyway, who is best comic female and why is it bunnie?
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>>155253482
Thunderbolt is best but Bunnie is ok
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>>155253374
I'm not even one of the guys who were raging at you. I'm just telling you to stop because you're doing nothing but dragging the whole thing on at this point. Just stop talking about it jeesh.
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>>155253560
I'm sorry, really. He started it, and we're both autistic to realize we should stop.
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>>155253438
See, this is what I mean. They have no motivation outside of a vague facsimile of one. That's why they need to be put in the background, because such shallow cutouts should not be the main characters
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>>155253662
*too autistic
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>>155253543

Seriously though, what is the appeal of thunderbolt? Isn't she just a short dumpy version of Amy for Eggman?
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I made a thing.
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>>155241281
I liked this one the most.
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>>155253821
well I also like Amy
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>>155251716
>heroes cutscenes

you mean these quality crop givers?
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>>155253821
She's more of a Harley Quinn type character, just with less obvious sex appeal.
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>>155253821
She's Eggman's Harley Quinn, except not nearly as overexposed and shitty. She also tries to be intimidating and threatening but is shorter than Cream
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>>155253821
no idea anon, I'm an amyfag and a harleyfag but I honestly don't see the appeal of TB. She's alright as a comic relief character but she's kinda just...there.
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>>155253857
Perfect
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>>155253857
I'll make a sexier version of this for you later, I can't post art for a few days.
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>>155254624
why not?
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>>155254753
I have to hide from the "mob"
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>>155253482
No point in arguing when you're right.
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>>155253768
>See, this is what I mean. They have no motivation outside of a vague facsimile of one. That's why they need to be put in the background, because such shallow cutouts should not be the main characters
Well, either that or just rebuild them from the ground up and change everything about them cause what we have don't work
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>>155253920
OR here, much appreciated anon.
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>>155254797
que
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>>155254034
What is going on with the characterisations in Heroes. Rouge is just bizarre and amy is cranked up to 11.
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>>155255149
> Rouge is just bizarre
Is Heroes the game where she's always going "Stop fighting SILLY BOYS :^)"?
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>>155255142
I have a very recognizable style that will probably garner some shitposting, and I don't want to do that to you.
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>>155253543
Thunderbolt isn't even the best female in the Egg Bosses.

Abyss>Nephthys>Thunderbolt>Clove>Storm
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>>155253821
The idea of Robotnik having his own Amy is pretty funny.
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>>155255494
Abyss=Clove>Storm>Nephthys>Thunderbolt
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Is Sonic. . . GAY?
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>>155255468
just post something ya pussy
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>>155255448
Ah yeah Baby.
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>>155253857
>Literally nothing but spite and malice the whole thread
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>>155255663
Sonic is a free as the wind
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>>155255149
Seeing the older CG movies makes me really glad we have Marza doing animation now.
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>>155255142
Why are there suddenly more comments in Spanish? Me pone incómodo.
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>>155249650
What is wrong with Tail's character?
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>>155255949
oh yeah.
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>>155253920
Thank you anon.
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>>155252192
>>155252274
>Please provide me the list of why each character is fighting Eggman and then with that reason give me why they are justified to have that reason

k

>Sally
To protect her home and friends. Justified because she is the princess and was the only one left to do something when Eggman first took over. Even though the city was saved she knows that he's not going to just forget about her kingdom so she continues to fight against him. And she just likes to.

>Bunnie
Loyalty to her friends and making the most of her new limbs. Justified because they are the ones that brought her out of her crippling depression and what else is she going to use her limbs for? Thrown in getting back at Eggman for destroying her home and injuring her.

>Antoine
Loyalty to his friends, kingdom and proving his bravery. Justified in that he wants to make his late father proud, was raised to be a soldier, admires Sally's leadership, was ashamed of his cowardice, and is married to Bunnie, who isn't going to just let him skip out on helping.

>Rotor
Loyalty to friends and he gets to build anything he wants. Justified in that the other FFs took him in when he was all by himself in the world and actually appreciated his inventing unlike he's oppressive father.

>Nicole
Loyalty to friends. Justified in that they were the ones that inspired her to be more than just an AI and to try to become a real person and they continue to teach her how to be one.

>Big
Loyalty to friends. Justified in that they've helped him save his best friend Froggy and are just plain nice to him.

>Cream
Loyalty to friends and wanting to prove herself. Justified in that Sonic saved her and her mom and she wanting to be like her friends who are all brave heroes.

>Blaze
To protect her world and friends. Justified in that she is the princess and guardian of the Sol Emeralds and Sonic and co. helped her on many occasions.

Dinner time so I'll do the rest later.
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>tfw bugs has met the flash and sonic hasn't


come to think of it, has sonic met any looney tunes? I know he's met some image characters, but any other bizarre crossovers?

I kinda wish IDW got the license so we could have tmnt meet sonic
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Knuckles is hot
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>>155242552
Robotnik's voice is Tommy Wiseau levels of so bad it's fucking gold.
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>>155252784
Lah is cute. Since Marza is doing the upcoming Sonic movie I hope they at least put her in a background or something.

Also, reminds of the Night of the Werehog storyboard which was recently posted: http://lastminutecontinue.com/concept-art/night-of-the-werehog/
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>>155256019
Besides the fact that his character arc is on fucking repeat and will never take the next step, he doesn't have as much to him as he should. Next to Sonic and Eggman, he's the most important character, but in terms of characterization, he has the least out of the main 4 and even less than characters like Shadow. Outside of his tech skills, he doesn't have much in the way of character.- I guess it'd be better understood if I laid it out
Knuckles
>Naive and gullible to a fault
>Expert treasure hunter
>Has some degree of ability in making traps (3&K)
>Has some knowledge of ancient languages and history apparently
>Strong sense of duty to the emerald
Tails
>Tech genius
>Wishes to be independent
>Bit of a motomouth,will occasionally blabber on about things nobody cares about or accidentally reveal details he shouldn't
>Idolizes Sonic
>Fair deal of courage

Hopefully I made it clear
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Okay I'm pretty sure the animators on heroes wanted to sneak a frame of every character looking completely baked.
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>>155251573
Why is Sally vanilla flavored?
Why is she ice cream?
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>>155256842
>dude cheese lmao XD
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>dat amount of people surrounding the booth
>holy shit how many people are actually in there selling?
>tfw sega stronk
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>>155256280
Do Froggy next
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>>155256858
>Why is Sally vanilla flavored?
Blandest flavor
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>>155256986
but how many of those people are there for sonic
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>>155257101
Vanilla pudding tastes better than chocolate pudding
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>>155257205
well she isn't a pudding now is she? You pudding
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>>155257298
I remember that his eyes rolled back as he laughed
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wat
https://twitter.com/Kidrobot/status/775411171667042304
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>>155257456
looks cool
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anyone got any good playlists of good sonic remixes?
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>>155256580
You did
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>>155256280
All of those things were told and not shown outside of 1-3 frames in the comics.

That's the equivalent to showing a 30 second flashback of one of the main characters in a show to tell the audience what they're doing and never expand upon that reason.

It's shallow and uninteresting no matter how you put it. You could keep on writing those reasons until you're blue to the face but it's still underwhelming because the only context that's given is the one you're giving it.
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>>155256986
>implying that's not for Persona 5
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>>155258274
This. They're not enough. What the FFs have is not enough. They either need to be made very minor background characters or reworked from the ground up
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>>155206981
>>155247082
O-oh my god, that Bump.

TC really likes to lewd the mascots huh?
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>>155258274
First off, each of the characters got an "origin story" in the magazines that were a lot longer than what you wrongly state. Secondly, we had to deal with a three-month hiatus along with a crossover nobody wanted, severely limiting the time we had to fully flesh out their backstories more than we did. You can hue and cry all you want otherwise, but the fact is that there's only so much you can do with a 20-page comic while not holding up the plot even more.

>>155258571
You made your point already. You don't have to keep samefagging.
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>>155258698
>You made your point already. You don't have to keep samefagging.
More than one person can disagree with you ya know
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>>155258691
Technically, there *was* a request for it on the wall. Anything to knock out some of the older ideas.
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>>155258867
Depends on how deep you want to go.
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>>155258906
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>>155258867
Either start at issue 1 and follow a reading guide or do the easy thing and start at the reboot which starts at issue 252 and Universe 55
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>>155258274
You asked for reasons and justifications. Whether or not you like them wasn't the point.
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>>155258698
Except the plot was already moving slow before because Ian was too focused on world building anyway so again, this is a problem with the writer not being able to pace himself or his writing the dude bit off way too much and even when he tried to chew it he didn't chew evenly so now the whole Unleashed arc is just a giant mess.

I get what you're saying but my point and opinion is still as valid as yours.

Also sorry, I forgot about the magazine you're right about that.

>>155258867
If you want to be taken on a psychadelic ride of fun/pain/misery and pure cringe than start at 1.

If you just want the decent to better stuff than start at 160.

If you don't care about the previous continuity at all then start at 252.

>>155258571
>>155258769
Just fuck off already. Neither side wants to deal with you anymore. You are annoying now. No one takes you seriously.
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>>155258867
Worlds Collide.
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>>155259273
>>155259113
>>155259016
Thanks
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>>155258769
When it's the exact same arguments getting recycled and the exact same lines being spewed ad infinitum, it's highly doubtful you'll convince anyone at this point.
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>>155259261
Those reasons and justifications are extremely weak though as they do not have any sort of weight to them.

That's like as if instead of Sonic outright defeating Eggman in each game, Eggman just gives up and runs off because Sonic says he can just go Super anytime but he has never gone Super on screen for more than a few seconds.

It's weak, underwhelming and hardly deserving of any merit but I'm done now because it's 12 o'clock and I'm tired as fuck.

Good night /sthg/
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>>155259273
>Just fuck off already. Neither side wants to deal with you anymore. You are annoying now. No one takes you seriously.
But why though? I'm making valid points
>>155259625
>Those reasons and justifications are extremely weak though as they do not have any sort of weight to them.
Just like the FFs currently. That's why they need to be rebuilt from the ground up into something new, something better
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>>155259625
>Those reasons and justifications are extremely weak though

Because you said so?
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The Babylon Rogues' theme is too good.
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>>155259774
>That's why they need to be rebuilt from the ground up into something new, something better
We have the technology?
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>>155260046
>We have the technology?
Yes. And the means and the ideas.
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>>155259842
I'll continue this conversation tomorrow when I wake up if anyone's willing.

But as a sound off I'm saying they're week because despite those motivations the characters themselves do not seem to adhere to those ideals and motivations. They are simply just trying to stop Eggman like as if that will fix all their problems.

Sally's kingdom won't be completely safe just because she stops Eggman.

Rotor still needs to confront his father and those who do not believe him.

I can't think of more right now but that's because I'm about to pass out. Laterz.
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>>155260115
>But as a sound off I'm saying they're week because despite those motivations the characters themselves do not seem to adhere to those ideals and motivations. They are simply just trying to stop Eggman like as if that will fix all their problems.
And they have nothing else to them to boot. Once they stop Eggman, there's nowhere for them to go in terms of character. They have no real ideals or motivations or flaws. But it doesn't have to be that way. They can be made better, you just have to change almost everything about them
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>>155260020
"AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
"AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
"AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
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>>155259273
I doubt we'll get any further than agreeing to disagree, but I at least grant you're better at elocuting your argument than spunk jockeys like >>155259774.

I can see why Ian focused on worldbuilding first, though. The main cast were character that we already knew quite well, so he went gung-ho on fleshing out a brand new world since the last one had to be scrapped wholesale. Whether or not that was a good decision is going to be a debate for the ages and generals.
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>>155260020
>implying the original Riders version wasn't better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYob0HnUiNY
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Why the fuck do you faggots even argue about how the freedom fighters should act?

Leave that shit to people who actually work on the comics
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>>155257053
>Froggy
Loyalty to Big and friends. Justified in that they've saved him from danger and reuniting with his best friend.
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>>155260329
That sounds like shit desu
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>>155260346
Because the people working on the comics aren't doing a good job with the FFs. They're barely characters right now
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>>155260230
not him but

sally - queen
antoine - royal guard
bunnie - royal hairdresser
rotor - mechanic
nicole - sally's friend

In fact, sonic and tails are the only ones with no real motivations past stopping eggman. apart from the ever vague wandering and doing good.

Just because you don't know shit about the characters don't assume they don't have any depth.
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>>155260237
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM8aBESf8EI
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>>155260621
Those are archetypes and jobs, not things with potential for growth outside of Sally becoming a queen
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>>155260346
>Why the fuck do you faggots even argue about how the freedom fighters should act?

I think the opinions expressed in the preceding argument were very stupid, but having the argument is legit.

If you didn't want to get into an autistic sperg-fest about Sonic characters... well, WhereDoYouThinkWeAre.png?
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>Freedom Fighters are bad because they're starting with little personality so the writers can give them development and growth later on that they can't give to the game characters
>The solution is to make them even more complex
Fucking hell. This is a monthly 20 page comic about bright furry animals beating up an egg-shaped scientist and his funny looking robots. You don't need complex characters to tell an interesting story, and if anything they'd be better off if they were just boiled down to a handful of unique personality traits.
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>>155260621
A job isn't character depth. It's just what they do.
Look I like the the Freedom Fighters a lot but it's ok to admit they haven't been given solid motivations. Like anon suggested earlier Ian's probably more focused on worldbuilding at the moment since we're hot off the heels of a reboot, and they haven't had much building for the majority of their existence because of hack writers. You can like a thing and admit it has problems anon.

>>155260837
Don't give them the satisfaction anon they're doing it for attention.
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>>155260837
The anon's opinion was that he thinks the main characters are weak and that they need more personality. I don't think that's really a stupid opinion considering that he articulated himself well enough and actually accepted the (most) of the points that were made against him.
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>>155260230
> Once they stop Eggman, there's nowhere for them to go in terms of character.

You sound suspiciously like a man who wants to go back to The Slap and Furry Relationship Drama.
Stopping Eggman is what Sonic and friends are about. We went down the dark road of having a million ancilliary attributes and plotlines before, and that's how we got a 60-generations-deep Knuckles family tree.

NEVER AGAIN
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>>155260968
>Look I like the the Freedom Fighters a lot but it's ok to admit they haven't been given solid motivations. Like anon suggested earlier Ian's probably more focused on worldbuilding at the moment since we're hot off the heels of a reboot, and they haven't had much building for the majority of their existence because of hack writers. You can like a thing and admit it has problems anon.
The problem is that they're barely characters. Outside of the role they have and their own character trait they don't have anything to them.
>>155260962
If "complex" means "More than one character trait and having an actual character" then yes they should be more complex
>>155261059
The Slap and the Knuckles shit was dumb but we can't have Sonic stops Eggman forever and ever. We need SOME variety
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>>155260760
They're aspirations that they have that are central to their pre-war life. There's potential whether or not you think there is.

>>155261039
I don't think it's that the personalities are weak, as they've got distinct, vibrant personalities in spades. It's that their role in the story needs more depth than just what their personality brings.
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>>155260760
aiya.


sally - queen, learning how to go from a guerilla warfare fighting tactician to a political ruler in peacetime. Navigating the political landscape of a nation divided by turmoil and patching together a dozen countries and trying to stay a fair monarch when the entire world knows her and her friends could just as much enslave it as they could free it. you really think mobius would roll over and let the acorn throne sit unopposed? also family trauma bla bla finding a decent guy after dating coolness and reliability personified in a post wartime mobius.

antoine - royal guard - honor, his family bla bla bla. being the man bunnie knows he is and can be, likely to raise a family of kids who are skilled and honorable, because any is totally a dad in the making.
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At this point, I've stopped caring about the actual argument. I just want to watch the carnage. More fun than Monday Night RAW
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>>155261323
I'm just sad we can't discuss something without it all devolving into insults and trolling. I don't expect much and I'm still disappointed.
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>>155261323
I think its winding down. I know I don't have the steam to keep going this late at night.
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>>155260760
bunnie - royal hairdresser - creative and expressive she'd have to deal with a future that has no potential de-roboticiser. Post wartime she would have to deal with being a relic of the war and come to terms with what might happen as she ages and her limbs don't. Also, mother kids, yadda yadda.


rotor - mechanic - rote would likely be responsible for nearly all the post robotnik tech in knothole. He'd be the leader in innovation. In a world that would be very fucking hesitant to let anyone start building robots and machines and shit post robotnik, rote would be that guy, trying to quell public fears, and help improve his country and the world by building useful shit and solving problems for people. Like renewable energy and solving world hunger and all that. Also building a de-roboticiser for bunnie.


nicole - sally's friend - well shit, you got me there. Nicole is just basically an omnipotent super intelligence at this point, so all she has to deal with is watching all her friends and loved ones die on her as she outlasts them all. Maybe she becomes a secret after a generation or two that looks after the people of knothole and becomes an urban legend type. preferring not to get close to anyone after losing sally.
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>>155260115
>Sally's kingdom won't be completely safe just because she stops Eggman.

No, but he is the major and most consistent threat to it (and he always will be). He gets priority over lesser threats that her father can handle.

>Rotor still needs to confront his father and those who do not believe him.

He inevitably will since his father works for Eggman and is subjugating his homeland.

Although cape comics will try to tell you otherwise, we don't need to be constantly reminded of why the heroes are being heroes. We know why, go be heroes.
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>>155261323
What are those GUN soldiers doing?
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>>155261439
I think it could be possible without the one anon that stubbornly parrots NO THE CHARACTERS ARE SHIT AND SHOULD BE REMOVED/COMPLETELY CHANGED. Even the major opposing sides learned to be decently civil once they tuned out the idiot.
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I honestly don't know. I pulled all that shit out my ass in the five seconds since you replied to me. As far as I'm concerned the FF are freedom fighters, therefore their goal is exactly that. Fighting to free their planet from a tyrant. They don't need any deeper post world saving motivation than that, because they'll never succeed because if they do the book is over.

By definition they're not allowed to retire or win. They struggle. And the reason they're in the fight is a bit weird, because quite frankly who the fuck WOULDN'T be fighting robotnik. If every citizen on the planet went after him at once he wouldn't last but then the story would be over and see point fucking 1.
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>>155261323
A lot of things are more fun to watch than Raw right now.
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>>155261136
>we can't have Sonic stops Eggman forever and ever.

No, but it will be the majority. You should accept that by now.
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>>155261601
>stupid furries hogging the TV
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Okay fuck this nonsense one last post/point before I go to sleep because I feel like people are construing my own argument.

I don't give a single fuck what the Freedom Fighter will become once everything is said and done because that will never happen. The comic will be done and finished and that will still not happen.

My argument is that I want more character in the main characters. I want more interaction between them because that's what I look for in the comic. Their motivations and ideals can be as simple as they want to make them. I just want more character in the characters. I want to enjoy them and enjoy them interacting with each other. That is what I want not this overly complex bullshit and what they plan on doing after Eggman goes away and all that bullshit.

Good night /sthg/ for hopefully the last time as I'm turning my phone off now.
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>>155261136
>we can't have Sonic stops Eggman forever and ever. We need SOME variety
You know it's only a 20-page monthly book right? With the comic enforcing the 4-issue arcs for trade reasons, Sonic vs. Eggman by itself can last years.
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>>155261984
>My argument is that I want more character in the main characters. I want more interaction between them because that's what I look for in the comic. Their motivations and ideals can be as simple as they want to make them. I just want more character in the characters. I want to enjoy them and enjoy them interacting with each other. That is what I want not this overly complex bullshit and what they plan on doing after Eggman goes away and all that bullshit.
Sadly with how the characters are now, we can't get that. That's why they need to change
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>>155261984
>phoneposter
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>>155261984
>wants characterisation
>ignores descriptions of what they do after the war, ie what their characterisations are.

yeah good night anon, you won't be missed from the 'conversation'
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>>155262078
The 4 issue arc thing died when Kaminski left. Second, I know Sonic vs Eggman is the majority, but there needs to be SOME variety once in a while.
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>>155262279
>The 4 issue arc thing died when Kaminski left
So you're saying you haven't read a single issue since then, gotcha.
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>>155262232
>>ignores descriptions of what they do after the war, ie what their characterisations are.
They shouldn't have to wait until the war's over to have a fucking character. They should be fully realized characters with fully realized motivations by this point in the reboot, and the fact they aren't is a tragedy that can only be fixed by going back to square fucking one because outside of cliched motivations (Find muh family, muh daddy) they have nothing to work with
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>>155262362
I have. Not every arc in the main book is 2 or 4 parts long like it used to be under Kaminski. I don't think you've read any issues since then
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>>155262384
>They shouldn't have to wait until the war's over to have a fucking character.

what they do after the war is determined by their character you fucking mongoloid. It's just a little difficult to find time to SHOW it when they're all fighting for their lives.


I'd love an issue every now and then of just the FF in their down time, but we'll never get it because fighting and action is what sells comics. So guess what happens.
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>>155262520
>what they do after the war is determined by their character you fucking mongoloid. It's just a little difficult to find time to SHOW it when they're all fighting for their lives.
Shame they basically have no character so it falls flat in the end
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>>155262608
> no character
according to you.


give a situation and half the anons here that actually read the comic could tell you how each character would react in that situation.

that is character.
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maybe a few issues of the Freedom fighters kinda relaxing/planning what to do next
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>No matter how I try to settle things I'm pissing someone off
>The shitposter is still shitposting.
Why do I try?
Ya know what fine. I don't like the comics because reasons. Is that good enough for you guys?
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>>155262693
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>>155258691

Everytime I see the words "TC" and "Commission" my next thoughts end up being something like "he actually did it, the absolute madman"
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>>155262497
Since Worlds Unite we've had 8 issues of various globetrotting to tie up the broader Unleashed arc, which will be broken down into 2 trades of 4 each. They've been one issue of Holaska, one of Lupe, two of Traitors, one of Chip in a temple, two with Dulcy, and the last one being the prelude to the final arc. We're currently in the middle of the final arc, which is (big shocker) 4 issues. After that we get Genesis of a Hero which is almost assuredly going to be (big shocker) 4 issues, either that or it'll be a 2 or 3 issue arc with a 1 or 2 issue post-Unleashed transition story. And every single Universe arc since Worlds Unite has been (drumroll please) 4 issues. Don't pretend that stories don't still conform to the "4 issues for a trade" format, even if it's 1-1-2 or 1-2-1 like the Unleashed wrap-up issues were.
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>>155263054
Still waiting for Sindoll to deliver.
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http://pastebin.com/JQzizEKt

I wrote a thing.
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>>155263189
Saw it last thread. Written any more on it?
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>>155263336
I have some more I'm working on, I was gonna add it when I was done. But papers and shit don't get themselves done, ya know.
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>>155263345
I don't think for a second that anyone comes here for deep, well reasoned feedback. That being said, it was nice when we didn't have BK-level shitstorm regarding topics other than our internal sources of drama. I figure if any actual people of importance come here, it would be a nice respite if we were only yelling about what we're doing rather than what they're doing.
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>>155258867

Check the pastebin for links to comic sources. The Mega link has some infographics regarding quality vs time and a regular timeline.
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>>155262693
Unrealistic. They do have to sell. The most you can hope for are backups like the Sally/Rotor and Tails/Bunnie ones.
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>>155261323
me on the right
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>>155263345
We've had artists and Ian come by from to time and accept feedback. Most recent I can think of is abt accepting some anons' criticisms of his double page spread in the last SU arc.

By that logic we shouldn't discuss anything.
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>>155262686
Fine. Bunnie being controlled by the Zeti to kill or at least horribly wound Antoine

How does Bunnie react after the Zeti are beaten?
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>>155263189

Alright, now I need to know what the fuck's going on with the tentacles. Can't leave me on a cliffhanger over here.

Virus infection? Nicole trying to annoy Sally in public? Insatiable nymphomaniac?
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>>155264583
Probably the last one. For the A.I., I was going for a kind of morbid spin on the school assigned laptop thing, where instead of shitty Chromebooks, the school gives you the minds of people who are dead. It's a relatively new thing, so metaphorical and literal kinks need to be worked out.

/blog
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>>155264306
I always feel kinda bad when "real people" stumble into my Internet spitballing.
I'm just here to get comfy and shoot the breeze with my Sanic homies, I'm not trying (or even WANTING) to influence anything real.
Really the notion that anyone ever takes anything written anywhere online (let alone 4chan) like a remotely serious idea fills me with existential dread.
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>>155264306

Woah woah woah, I keep hearing about ABT. I just figured they were some random furry artist doing commissions or some such.

I can't believe that:

1) Comic artists haven't been completely scared away from the general

2) That I'm actually this retarded
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>>155264765
ABT was ONE OF US before he was a comics artist.
He doesn't fear us. We fear him.
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>>155264735

Woah. That's way heavier than I was expecting.

I really like this idea, KEEP GOING. I like my lewd interspersed with heavy.
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>>155264765
Just come in from /v/ or something? That's cool. Don't assume we're shitters because it's the sanic general. Perhaps learn to lurk a little as well, never hurts.
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>>155264849

When you say one of us, do you mean the fandom overall or ACTUALLY the fucking general.

Because that would be really, really cool.
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>>155264858
Thank you, anon. I was planning on developing that as a part of Nicole's character arc. Don't know when that'll be, but it'll happen.
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>>155264969

I was here for the Ride and posted regularly from the first thread to about last December. Missed (a lot) of the threads over the last 8-10 months due to shitty work hours, though. Sounds like I need to catch up
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>>155264849
Hesse, too. Don't forget Hesse. He was a /co/fag before he leveled up and went pro.
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>>155265303
your not the only one trying to catch up
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>>155264849
>>155265369

The fact that hesse and abt started out here is what gives me motivation for sure.
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>>155265532
Do you think they still lurk here? Senpai as well? How much does the social media team lurk?
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>>155265798
ABT posted here earlier today.

Senpai stops in for special occasions.

No idea about the twitter team. I think Aaron has alluded to the fact that he's been here, he knows of us at least.

I can't think of any others that have been here. Hell we've had /co/ mentioned in off panels and such.

I think we even had a day where ABT and Jon showed up? IIRC?
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Man, It would be so cool if we saw Sonic 1/2 be re-ported into PC and Consoles.
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>>155265798
>How much does the social media team lurk?

Enough to know we exist.
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>>155265532

Yeah, wow. I knew about senpai showing up on occasion, until some anons demonstrated weapons-grade autism.

As for ABT/Hesse though, maybe the idea of other 4chan posters having gainful employment at all just hasn't sunk in yet. I had no idea about Hesse, and again, thought TC was commission ABT for some of his "special" commissions.

It's a little intimidating too, like the other anon said. I'm *almost* embarrassed to post gay-bait sontails shipping now. Almost.
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>>155266392
You shouldn't be embarased about that spoiler anon, but I'm sure some anons would get it deleted.

We need one of these with swatbot.
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>>155264756
Should motivate you to think before you post.

>>155266392
They've seen worse.
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>>155266392
> spoiler
They knew what they were getting into when they went to work on Sonic, anon.

>>155266541
> Should motivate you to think before you post.
I rather think it should motivate normies to get the fuck out, reeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Of course, if they're One Of Us then they're not normies, so it's all good
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>>155266392
>spoiler
I'm not.
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>>155266886

Every time I click that thumbnail I remember Yardley's signature is on it.

Was there ever a story behind this? Like some random guy decided to commission crypto-fetish fuel? Yardley just needed the cash? Totally innocent picture and the foot fetish stuff is all in my head?
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>>155267298
>Yardley just needed the cash?

Yep. It's a thing any Sonic artist has to deal with.
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>>155267587
>sonic artist needed money and had to resort to fetish art

so does archie really pay that badly? would it be a better idea to just be a lewd drawfag than a legit one?

asking for a friend...
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>>155268020
Archie pays a mid range page rate.

But the range in comics is so shit to begin with that it makes it very little in general.

Don't go into comics for the money.
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>>155268020
They're freelance so the pay isn't as consistent. Plus iirc Tracy had some family problems.

>would it be a better idea to just be a lewd drawfag than a legit one?

I've seen porn artists on patreon get thousands of dollars every month. It can happen but it'll require a lot of time to acquire a sizeable fanbase and it might hurt your chances at a legit job if it's linked to you.
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>>155268020
I know there was a charity stream for Yardley! not too long ago. I believe I read that he has a lot of kids, so there's more mouths to feed.
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>>155268312
4 to be exact.
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>>155268020

Y'know, I was just reading an article...

http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/08/the-secret-furry-patrons-keeping-indie-artists-afloat.html
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>>155268249
whats a mid page rate? Like is a monthly artist earning enough to live off? Is ABT gonna be okay?
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>>155265978
It's either Aaron or Gene most likely.
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>>155268446

he will be if we keep commissioning him
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>>155268380
> “People in the furry fandom usually want a depiction of one of their personal characters, usually an anthropomorphic animal or fantasy animal of some kind,” she said over email. “It’s their imagined world, which I get to bring to life for them. Maybe they’re exploring a ruin, going for a peaceful walk, enjoying a cup of tea, or enacting a part of their story.”

That is a lot of bullshit. It's fucking. It's ALWAYS FUCKING.
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>>155268352

I just looked at my bank statement, and can't imagine feeding one kid, much less 4.
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>>155268446
Doing one comic book a month of just pencils, inks, or colors is not enough to live off, no. Not if you plan on having a savings accounts, or having health insurance, a car, etc.

But if you live at home with your parents the rest of your life, you'll be sitting pretty.
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>>155268616
I don't see how those things are mutually exclusive.
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>tfw never been commissioned, by furries or otherwise.

I should probably make a price sheet and start advertising or something.

Any suggestions /sthg/? I have no idea what rates would be low and fair but still worth my time.

Does anyone here commission art? Do you know how much is a good price? Assuming I'm not a terrible artist.
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>>155268676
> But if you live at home with your parents the rest of your life, you'll be sitting pretty.
O-okay...
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>>155268616

I laughed at that part so hard. mostly because I've spent so much time in that dark corner of the earth

It's a wannabe Vice clickbait newsrag though. Gotta whitewash the furries a bit for the normies, unless they're doing a hackjob "let's laugh at the weirdos" piece. Which, honestly, I'm kind of glad it wasn't.
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>>155268831

Actually, looking at the site again, it's just that editorial column that's really obvious garbage. The magazine itself looks at first glance to be moderately respectable.

Still though... I wonder what kind of article they would write about /sthg/. A boring piece about youthful nostalgia and video game nerddom or a "Heart of Darkness" journey into hell.
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>>155268830
Not trying to be derogatory. But just saying. I don't know the ages of people here, but most under-20s don't realize how expensive life becomes when you actually want to do things like have kids, get a house, prepare for retirement, and all that.

There's a reason licensed comics cycle out older artists for younger ones. Eventually it just becomes unsustainable at a certain age.
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>>155269036
This is a fair point.
I got my own place recently, and with a breddy gud salary from work I thought I'd live like a fucking king.
Then six months later I'm barely breaking even pre-tax and I don't fucking know where it all goes.
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>>155269019

Probably a mix of both, honestly. It would probably be about the Sonic fandom in general and how this place is both the best place to talk about sonic and the worst. The level of conversation gets the best around here, but because no one is held accountable for anything, some bullshit goes down too.

The history of this place is pretty interesting to someone, I'm sure.
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>>155268808
Kinda hard to say without seeing any art. Is there any interest from people who have seen your art for commissions?
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>>155269296
I get positive feedback on my art, I've never really pursued money though. I'm still too wary of putting up prices as if I get no notes or comments or whatever it'll make me look terrible?

I've no real presence on DA or FA though. Maybe I should post up my stuff there and see if I get any attention? I only use tumblr.
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>>155269138
Oh, that's the other thing, freelance jobs like comic books DON'T take money out for taxes, so you have to hold on to it and save up for tax day.
So every April you better hope you've squirreled away around 5-8k minimum to pay your taxes. Tax refunds don't exist for freelancers.
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>>155269204
Now Pepe has become the most reported and subversive political symbol in the world I can believe anything.

> Tonight on CNN, we decrypt /sthg/s "Bump the Deer"
> This cartoon ruminant started life as an innocent way to promote ailing Sonic threads, beloved by artists and 12-year-olds alike
> But in recent years she's been almost totally co-opted by a sinister in-thread movement more interested in "bumping" her than in bumping content
> More at 11
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>>155268616
As a fur artist I can confirm this. For every one 'clean' picture I'm asked to draw I have to draw fifty pieces of god-awful smut.
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>>155269471
I'd say to try and establish yourself on those sites for sure. Obviously, the more people who see your stuff the more likely someone would want to commission ya.

>I'm still too wary of putting up prices as if I get no notes or comments or whatever it'll make me look terrible?
Can't you add it as a page on tumblr or whatever and not as a proper post?
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>>155269873
does it at least pay well anon? and how bad smut are we talking? can you at least veto most of the really bad fetish stuff?
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>>155270007
>can you at least veto most of the really bad fetish stuff?

You can but money is money.
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>>155270007
Pay depends on how good your art is. I charge $10 a sketch, +$5 for another character and +$5 for colour. As for vetoing... depends on what you can stomach drawing, honestly.

I just had to finish a dick vore piece. It paid well enough but... ugh.
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>>155270294

I'm curious now about the backend of the furry art economy. There are a ton of social mores, vices, etc. contending with good old supply and demand to mix everything up.

There are a ton of artists out there now, are we already at saturation? Since commissioners are purchasing work based on personal preference, and some of the niches are so small, does that make the industry more or less bloodthirsty?

Some really interesting shit going on here.
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>>155269471
>I'm still too wary of putting up prices as if I get no notes or comments or whatever it'll make me look terrible?
Well, it'd tell you if there is any actual demand for it at this point in time from the people who follow you.

If you are super concerned about prices, start real low and move them up over time.

>I've no real presence on DA or FA though. Maybe I should post up my stuff there and see if I get any attention?
Absolutely.
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>>155248001
Better late than never eh?

Also there is not much meat to those Heroes cutscenes eh? Also hi /sthg/ nice and quiet tonight?
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>>155272495
4AM, I figure most are fast asleep.
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>>155272725

Oh fuck, is it that late (early) already?

Bedtime, /sthg/. See you on the flip side.
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>>155272495
That's a nice pic!
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How far are the comics nowadays?
I stopped after Breezie Tournament / Mobius crossver destruicton with Megaman
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>>155272932
Gnight, anon.
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>>155273019
Most of the stuff after the crossover was pretty meh.
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>>155272495
>Blaze's drink is the only one not fizzing.
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>>155272949
thanks anon!

>>155273265
I couldn't possibly understand what you're hinting at.
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If Cash Cash doesn't do a single song for mania or 2017, I will be severely disappointed.
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>>155273019
Shattered World/Unleashed is ending soon. After that we get Classic Sonic retellings and a chaotic Universe arc.
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>>155258867
just buy some trades from amazon they are like less than 10 bucks
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-23zKCCg2Vc
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>>155234695
If it's not sweet, you're not wearing Honey!
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Time for another round of requests.
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>>155276834
Could you do Penelope the Hedgehog from AoStH on a date with Masonic? Thanks
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>Physics
Bad. Sliding (which essentially replaces rolling) doesn't build momentum when rolling down hill.
Moreover, when you jump on top of an enemy, there is no rebound. You simply damage them and continue falling downward.

Movement is very slippery.
You can spin dash in an attempt o emulate rolling, but when you spin dash donw a hill, you will eventually just stop abruptly. You have no inertia. No force is pushing you, even after you let go of the stick.

Grinding is just as shitty as in Heroes. No momentum required to grind quickly. No balance required. Just mash the B Button to go fast.

>Alternate Gameplay
Mixed. Guns are entirely optional. I can drop any gun I pick up. I can slide into and jump onto enemies, the old fashioned way. The downside, is that there's little incentive to do such, since there's no fluidity to these once fluid forms of movement and combat.

Destroying/collecting a certain number of macguffins is relegated that an optional task I can do instead of reaching the goal.

Unfortunately, I cannot destroy them in addition to reaching the goal, meaning exploration and racing to the end are at odds with one another, rather than being seamlessly integrated.

Different objectives being competed results in branching level structure. Adds organic replayability. READY TO HAND variety.

There are golden keys scattered about each stage, which you are free to search out at your own leisure. You can explore the stages, and the checkpoints allow for some semblance of backtracking, in order to seek them out and return to the door in order to unlock some secrets.

>Story
Mixed. Edgy and cringey as fuck. Which also makes it "so bad it's good". Still strictly bad though. On the other hand, the branching structure is pretty interesting.

>Level Design
Bad. Still a lot of mindlessly running forward, still a lot of scripted sequences, still a lot of bottomless pits.
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>>155231615
man this game was fun as hell , only played the second one, shit was cash, but good luck getting new people to understand it
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>>155231615
I'd rather Sonic team turn the Unleashed/Generations boost gameplay into a new breed of racing game.

Throw in some multiplayer, and tweak the level design philosophy accordingly.
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>>155245420
I think the recent Sonic Universe dialog King Acorn had with Knuckles, Amy, and Team Dark is pretty important. Acorn's generally the nicest guy you know but talking about GUN's dark past brought out the cold rage. It was GUN being assholes that made him desperate enough to ally with Eggman but he's trying to keep that in the past and keep current relationships friendly. With Snively's eventual master plan coming up how will it change King Acorn's relationship with GUN's and Team Dark? Maybe even outright war?

This will probably be a pretty huge drama bomb.
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>>155225013
Is Bunnie still a regular in any of the comics? I haven't read since I was a wee lad. shes the best.
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>>155277235

yes
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>>155277235
She's still an active member of Freedom Fighters and shows up all the time.
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>>155277292
>>155277296
that's cool, maybe I'll take a peek when I get home tonight.
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>>155276834
Sonic looking at/reading /sthg/
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>>155242552
meh reminds of reboot , for one guy its all right

but the voices are just caught in the last second, calling it
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>>155276834
Marine & Sticks
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>>155276834
Fleetwamy and Dreamcast Amy hanging out
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>>155276834
Please draw Metal Scourge.
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>>155277908
Does it already exist?
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>>155277950
Never happened.
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>>155277908

>Metal Tails and Knuckles completely disappear after the reboot

ree and such
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>>155277950
>>155277989
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These three are a fun trio to draw.
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>>155279094
Cute!
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>>155277908

Metal Sally is for
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>>155279094
Nice work
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>>155278129
Mecha Tails > Metal Tails
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>>155264756
>I'm just here to get comfy and shoot the breeze with my Sanic homies
Basically me. It can get pretty dense in here sometimes with the periodic discussions that go back and forth for multiple threads.
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>>155268446
ABT had made clear in past threads and streams that he treats the comic as an opportunity to improve more than anything else.
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>>155269625
Requesting a pic of Sasha Cat reporting on Bump's disappearance
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>>155269625
Oh fuck now I Bump fics
what have you done, man.
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>>155270294
Those ain't bad rates. Link?

>>155268808
I could have sworn I saw a tool to help you figure out a fair rate to charge for commissions based in how much time went into them. I'll dig around for it. If you do decide to start, I'd definitely be interested.

>tfw you'd much rather fund up-and-comers in the Sonic fanart community than rely on the big names[/spoiler
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>>155272495
Very cute, though Blaze looks like she's trying to hold it together from being surrounded by gregarious girls
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>>155276834
Sage cosplaying as Hisen-ko
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>>155279094
Adorable. I wonder if these three will ever meet in the comics again.
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Tell me this isn't incest
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>>155280712
I completely agree with you
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>>155278437
I like how the moment he saw a new Sonic, Eggman just had to build a robotic duplicate of him.
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>>155267587
>love it when the girl is smiling and or laughing, even feel uncomfortable if she isn't enjoying herself
>but also not turned on by feet and slightly weirded out by tickling
this is so conflicting
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Not even at post limit yet and we almost have bingo.
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>>155288309
Don't forget the "triggered by OCs" space.
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>>155288309
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>>155288456
SOMEONE POST AN ELLIDY EDIT
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>>155288515
It doesn't count if you instigate it.
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>>155288309
>>155288456
Should have made the free space Meta Shitposting like these bingo cards. A wonderful self-fulfilling prophecy.
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>>155288456
I'm actually surprised this morning we haven't had a bunch of cuteposting. Isn't it about time we got the usual amy in bed 'morning' pictures?
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>>155288689
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>>155288689
Lighten up, will you? They're entirely accurate.

>>155288815
I don't think anyone is in the mood for cuteposting judging by the rest of the thread
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>>155288896
>>155288905
>it's just a prank, bro
Spend your time at least trying to post something worthwhile instead of just this shit made only to create negative reactions.
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>>155289029
You're the only one having a negative reaction, buddy.
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>>155289095
And I probably won't be the last. People tend to not like being mocked.
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>It's not even past breakfast and people are already bitching over mundane shit like the free space of a fucking bingo card
You guys are spergs.

I know this because it takes one to know one.
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Alright guys time for me to share with you my hot, spicy, controversial opinion: I think Tails being able to use his tails to fly is honestly very stupid and I his "tech guy" aspects a lot more than that.
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>>155289180
90% of comedy is mocking people.
If you can't take a joke because you can't laugh at yourself then usually you're a shitty person to begin with.

There's a reason why Nihilistic humor is one of the best types of humor.
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>>155289365
90% of comedy is mocking themselves and their own habits.
I don't think calling the audience a piece of shit would work too well. In fact, it doesn't.
And I think you mean why cynical, jaded, absurd humor is the most popular.
To me this bingo card is just some passive aggressive garbage that would rather mock issues this place has rather than try and alter it. Which is entirely pointless, you see.
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>>155289539
Okay so you're actually autistic, good to know.
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>>155289767
>oh I actually don't have a defense to what he says, I guess I'll just call him names
Next time just don't bother posting at all, stupid.
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>>155289873
I'm literally going to post this at least once every thread just to annoy specifically you to remind you that your little good will and want of a better general will never amount to anything.

So you might as well stop replying to me.
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>>155290159
And I'll just treat it like I do all the other shitposts. Hurting yourself to spite me is awfully stupid.
>don't reply to me anymore, mean man! you'll just expose my low IQ!
Ok. Just for you, anon.
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>>155290159
First I was supporting you for sticking it to the shitposters, but now I realize you're both fucking retarded
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https://reddit.com/r/chemicalplantzone
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>>155290304
>Hurting yourself to spite me is awfully stupid.
Nigga wut? How the hell is me posting a bingo card every thread hurting myself? It's an anonymous board I could be >>155290325 and you'd never know so that's quite frankly fucking retarded even coming from an idiot like you.

>>155290325
It's whatever mane. I just enjoy salt and I get no repercussions for posting inflammatory shit in this general to generate it so pic related.
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Reminder that the only way to save the comic is to either sideline the FFs or completely change them
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>>155290514
>don't bother replying to me, but I sure am dumb enough to continue replying if you do
I was just tossing the low IQ thing out there. Didn't think I was right.
>outright admitting to shitposting
Wow. I was really right.
And yes, I do because you clearly do. Otherwise this conversation would have ended with my last post. Fine. Have your (You) and I'll let you have last word as well. I can practically feel how much you want it.
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>>155290756
Whatever m80 you've probably had conversations and debates with me loads of times. Don't act like as if you'll ever find out which posts are me and not. That's the benefit of an anonymous board.

Can't take the heat, get out of the thread.
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>>155290882
>Can't take the heat, get out of the thread.
And if you can't take your own advice then don't give it, shitposter-kun.
Promises were made to be broken. :^)
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>>155290235
I don't think I've seen any reboot concept art of her. How would you make Barby more in-line with the current designs clothed and still keep her physically appealing?
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>>155291028
I'll try to draw some sort of design when I get back from my classes. I have like a seventeen-request backlog.
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>>155290986
I think you've looped yourself into being just as big of a shitposter as I am senpai.

Idk if I should be proud or saddened you were the only real resistance I had.
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>>155291251
>no u
Except I don't plan on having repeat occurrences while you've told us that you will. You have flat out told us that you're going to shitpost over and over again to spite anyone that doesn't like it.
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>>155291642
That's the whole point of shitposting though.
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>>155291167
Would you a Destiny Amy?
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>>155292360
You know what? No. I'm really picky about women.
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>>155292360
no

would I Amy?
no
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>>155292426
>I'm really picky about women.
No wonder you're here,
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>>155292772
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>>155266886
>Five fingers. Four toes.
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>>155292883
>Sally loves Sonic so much she wears Sonic clothing to the gym
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>>155293006
I'm not the only one who finds that fucking adorable, right?
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Does SU#90 come out today? Or did I miss it already?
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>>155293105
nope
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>>155292883
Great. Now all I can think of is Rouge doing instructional workouts on TV while Roshi ogles on.
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>>155292883
>>155293457
I wanna see Rouge and Sally do Tae-Bo workouts now
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POCKET BUMP
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>>155295942
>POCKET RUMP
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>>155296384
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Do you think we'll ever see Underground and X again? While X might have concluded, Underground still ended at a cliffhanger. It would be nice to see Sonic and siblings find their mother before the Super Genesis Wave erases them
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>>155297382
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'd rather we get a new Sonic cartoon that ISN'T Boom.
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>>155297501
Sonic X without chris
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>>155297605
Basically, yeah. Just with better animation and less filler.

I can dream.
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>>155297501
What's up with Boom?
Like, something more substantial than "It's shit".

I like the decent characterisation myself, and the interaction between the characters, and the humour's pretty aight, ain't spectactular the show but it gets a chuckle.

What's your problem with it anon, not having a go, just curious.
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Why exactly is Vanilla X Vector such a huge thing? It was only in Sonic X.
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Boom was hit or miss at first but I think the show got better
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>>155297705
Boom, to me, gives off that kind of "blech" production quality you'd find in other cartoons like Penguins of Madagascar. The animation is a little choppy, the jokes range from okay to cliche as fuck, and the overall concept/aesthetic of the show is just bland and uninspired.

That being said, I like how they open the door for each character's personality outside of the classic plots, especially Eggman's.
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>>155297714
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>>155297957
>a reasonable response
I don't know why I was surprised.

Glad there's something you like about it though anon, that just happens to be my favourite bit, seeming as Sega isn't going to do anything with them for the next century.

But yeah, I getchu. The wilderness setting for a series that has a LOT of cyber stuff happening is odd, but spinoff and all.

Boom Eggman a best.
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"The Super Sonic Warrior returns in "Genesis of a Hero" Part Three: The 25th anniversary celebration continues with another blast to the past! Which is also to the future, and the past, and back again! When Sonic goes to see the annual return of Little Planet, he’s surprised to find it chained to a mountain! Join us for the exciting adventures of Sonic CD! Featuring cover art by the legendary Patrick Spaziante plus a “Cosmic Eternity” variant by Mr. Sonic comics himself, Tracy Yardley!
Script: Ian Flynn

Art: Tracy Yardley, Terry Austin, Gabriel Cassata & John Workman

Cover: Patrick Spaziante

Variant Cover: Tracy Yardley

On Sale Date: 12/28

32-page, full color comic

$3.99 U.S."
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>>155298625
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>>155298746

"The quirky trio of detectives return in "The Case of the Pirate Princess" Part Three: Say it ain’t so – have the Chaotix gone full pirate?! Tensions run high as loyalties are tested and pasts are explored. And as the crew reaches their destination, will it be treasure they find – or something more sinister? Featuring cover art by Sonic comics extraordinaire Tracy Yardley and a "One for All" variant by super-talent Jennifer Hernandez!
Script: Ian Flynn and Aleah Baker

Art: Adam Bryce Thomas, Jim Amash, Matt Herms & Jack Morelli

Cover: Tracy Yardley & Ben Hunzeker

Variant Cover: Jennifer Hernandez, Gary Martin & Aleah Baker

On Sale Date: 12/14

32-page, full color comic

$3.99 U.S."
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>>155297714
>Why exactly is Vanilla X Vector such a huge thing?
It is?
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>>155298884
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>>155299002

"BOOM SHAKA-LAKA! Brace yourself for the SONIC BOOM! The hit multimedia Sonic experience comes to you in the action-packed, laugh-a-minute comic book series! Sonic and his friends Tails, Amy, Knuckles and Sticks find themselves caught up in more zany adventures! Dr. Eggman has a problem – how can the evil doctor betray the trust of the villagers when they don’t trust him to begin with? The mad mechanic pulls out all the stops to woo the wary would-be victims, but he gets more than he counted for when Sonic and his pals decide to become his staff! Then it’s off to the races as Dr. Eggman goads Sonic into competing in a go-kart race! Sonic puts the pedal to the metal in this thrilling volume of Sonic Boom™! SONIC BOOM™ Vol. 2: BOOM SHAKA-LAKA collects SONIC BOOM™ #5-7 and #11 plus bonus features!
Script: Ian Flynn, Bill Freiberger, Sam Sandak Freiberger

Art: Steven Butler, Jennifer Hernandez, Ryan Jampole, Diana Skelly, Rick Bryant, Matt Herms & Jack Morelli

Cover: Tracy Yardley, Rick Bryant & Matt Herms

978-1-62738-994-5

$12.99/$14.99CAN

6 5/8 x 10 3/16”

TR

104 pp, Full Color

Direct Market On-Sale Date: 12/14"
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>>155298884
>>155299002
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQSwpI2N-vs&index=18&list=PL43030A2D37EAAE12
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>>155298746
>On a Sunday, riding my bike
https://youtube.com/watch?v=h6o8c07PQBc
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Would this count as SonAmy, ShadAmy or Sonadow?
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>>155299805
None of the above.
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>>155299002
Pirate Sally teh cute!
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>>155299002
Dear God, PLEASE let there ve tons of art of pirate Amy and Sally
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>>155299805
>love hedgehogs
>they put a hedgehog in a hedgehog
C-cute
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>>155299002
Tails isn't dressed up as a pirate
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>>155300368
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>>155300369
But he has a straw hat
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>>155300693
>straw hat
Wait, is Tails One Piece?!
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>>155300693
I did not notice that
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>>155298746
>>155298625
Honestly the throwback arc is worth it just for the covers alone. Especially Spaz, the man is still God tier
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>>155298625
This looks rather amateurish
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>>155300841
I don't watch One Piece but the ONE in the corner looks like their logo.
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>>155300693
>>155300841
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>>155301043
Oh yeah, didn't notice that.

>>155301059
That is terrifying.
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>>155300841
HIS NAME IS LUFFY
HE'S MADE OF RUBBAH
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>>155300214
Amy and Sally as Nami and Robin when?
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>>155301789
YO HO HO HE TOOK A BITE OF GUM GUM
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Damnit guys, we already have a One Piece general.
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>>155302738
GUY GO GUY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooo
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>>155301812
And Rouge as Boa.
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/sthg/ - One Piece General
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>>155303146
>>155302738
samefag
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>>155284924
I could make a Tumblr?
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>>155303926
Go for it.
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>>155299002
Continuity note; Amy's outfit is from this off-panel (Sonic Universe #55)
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>>155304220
>OI'M SO ANGRY, I'M GONNA TAKE IT UP WITH THE PRINCESS
>OI BLAZE
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>>155304790
>OI'M
What?
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>>155304907
Read it out, ya git
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>>155251530
>>155251148
I made the time. Looking at how you just shat up the thread since I left I don't think I'll be drawing them again anytime soon to avoid shitstorming from either side
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>>155304986
I don't think anyone pronounces I'm as "oi'm"
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>>155304986
up your, fucking ninny
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>>155305356
I didn't do it on purpose.

Well, maybe I did, but it wasn't because I wanted to.
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>>155305389
>not pronouncing I'm as O'im
>not complaining to your governer of state
>disparaging the boot
>forgetting to check your harness before going outside
>forgetting to pay your phone bill in dollarydoos

C'mon m8
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>>155305749
I ain't got a bloody clue what ya on about.
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>>155293212
Next Wednesday, unless someone storytimes it early.
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Sonic Twitter is at it again with the Collector's Edition

https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/778303430230102016
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>>155297705
>What's your problem with it anon

Would have preferred an action/adventure show that took use of the vast world in the games than a sitcom.
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>>155306163
What did I just watch?
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>>155306163
That's fucking beautiful.
I think Aaron is one of the best things to happen to Sonic recently.
Under Taxman and Stealth and all that, but y'know, they've been going for years.
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>>155306163
That was pretty good.
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>>155305356
I don't want to like this but I do.
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>>155306163
>alone on a friday night
I fucking lost it
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>>155306163
Glorious
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>>155306163
>but wait it comes with a game to!
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Hey guys, I just want to ask any artists here for some advice. First of all, how do I improve my fundamentals? Or rather where is a good place to learn? I'm currently reading Scott Robertson's 'How to Draw' which has been helping and I am at least drawing with my arm, but as you can see. I'm not really getting anywhere. Admittedly this was drawn in 30 minutes but even so.

I'm following Drawlovelala's guide on drawing Sonic girls, and using guides and references for hands (though of course time constraints of the drawing challenge truncate these a bit). However I don't feel I'm really going anywhere. Obviously the key is to practice, but I'd rather have a goal to my practice and a guide or a waypoint to follow. That lack along with the fact that I can't seem to make something of any note makes practice discouraging. I don't want to give up and I am drawing more, and will continue to do so, but I wish I knew how to go about it.
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>>155306163
>Tunblr tags hint at there being more clues
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>>155307096
Don't worry. This is easily the hardest part of drawer's career. It all comes down to figuring out and understanding concepts of 2D and then practicing the execution of it.
For example, if you're having trouble with perspective then the practice part is drawing a shape at different angles, with the shape getting more complex as you practice.
There used to be a youtube channel I followed that a comic artist had where he would make general tutorials, such as drawing cityshots and all that jazz, but I must have unsubbed at one point otherwise I'd throw you in his direction.
But all in all it really comes down to tenacity. Find good artists that stream and watch and try to dissect what they do and how they do it, maybe even get advice from them or be lucky enough to get redlined by someone with more skill. Unfortunately I've been so far removed from art for so long that I don't have any specific paths to send you down and I can't really tell you anything past basic art theory.
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>>155307701
Well, Scott Robertson's book does some good excercises with vanishing points. i.e. draw a line, designate a vanishing point, then draw a rectangle in front of it (all freehand, got to practice that!) and then connect the corners to the VP and then fill in the rest of the box. Or the same exercise but with two VPs. Of course, that just deals with boxes, and most of Robertson's book is about drawing mechanical objects and buildings rather than figures.

Fortunately, I know a lot of artists, so getting redlines and further advice isn't too much of a problem. I just wanted a more general/honest opinion. Truthfully I've befriended a couple I've commissioned at first but it's gone to the point that we just do small talk and set the world to rights. In fact I feel a little embarrassed to ask them to do redlines sometimes.

Ultimately, I'll just keep on trying.
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>>155308098
Yeah, just wade through the swamp.
If they are truly your friends, they will dissect your drawings and tell you everything wrong with it. The permanent improvement is worth the temporary embarrassment.
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>waiting for pc parts
>just want to play sonic on pc
Pls
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>>155308336
Aye, I should just persevere, even if it's DA-tier Sanic stuff I show them (I do have aspirations and on occasion draw non-Sonic, in fact that's where I originally started drawing, Sonic however, is a little easier to grasp, yet at other times impossible to grasp while drawing a Centurion is a complete doddle. I'm inconsistent.)
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>>155308535
Think of the 60 FPS, anon.
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>>155306163
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>>155306163
For those who don't know, it parodies the Sonic 2 ad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N16_VT4v9z8

>lost it at "alone on a friday night"
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>>155306163
who is behind the new sonic? this is funny as shit.
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>>155299002
>dat backstripe
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>>155305356
Sloth fishing!
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>>155299002
>One Piece logo

Neat
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>>155251148
I think the character was cute, but i remember a lot of suspicious samefagging with a lot of posts like "stop lil bait!", "we know it's you lil bait!" right after you posted the drawing.
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I thought Tails was a pirate already, why you all worrying why he's not dressed like one?
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>>155309725
Someone else started that, and I thought it was funny so I said it a couple of times. Clearly, I shouldn't have instigated them.
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>>155309821
>I thought Tails was a pirate already
wut?
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>>155305356
>The mere existence of a character based on bait IS ITSELF BAIT
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>>155305356
I like her, she's cute and barefoot
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>>155309905
Butt pirate anon. Pretty easy slang on the word.
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>>155305356
I'm saving this as GUARANTEED REPLIES
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Need cute fanart of Pirate Sally, stat.
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>>155310586
I'll add it to my to-do list, along with a redesign of Barby and a Sonic version of "We Be Grillin"
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So, how many anons here have been working on or have worked on fangame projects?

We had the Green Hill Paradise anon and I remember seeing an anon post webms of a blue realistic hedgehog game.

Are there any others?
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Guys...
What if the zones in Sonic Mania spell out "Genesis"?

Studiopolis was confirmed to be later in the game, so the order of zones could be

Green Hill
E???
N???
E???
Studiopolis
I???
S???

It could allow for Ice Cap, Emerald Hill, Sky Sanctuary, Isolated Island or a different stage to return.

Just a thought
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>>155306163
Hearty kek.

Who's the japanese dude again? He looks familiar but not sure what he does.
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>>155298625
Disgusting.

4 months of gamefag shit. And Sonic/Amy pandering.

I'm not going to buy these comics.
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>>155311604
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>>155311389
>The final zone is scrap brain
Imagine act 3 again
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>>155299002
>>155309480
Looks like it's going for full-on homage.
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>>155311389
Angel Island Zone
Studiopolis
Sandopolis Zone
Hill Top Zone
Oil Ocean Zone
Labyrinth Zone
Emerald Hill Zone
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>>155310939
I was working on a Knuckles fangame turned into a Sonic Jam fangame but I ain't had the time so we're still at super early alpha levels and modelling and animations.
And working retail sucks and is taking the life outta me.

GHP anon's a legend and the realistic one deserves a medal.
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>>155311389
It's been confirmed that there will be stages from each of the four Genesis games and Sonic CD. That would be some bullshit if there were only two new zones.
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>>155311836

what a minute
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>>155311389
That's too short.

Maybe GENESIS DOES would make more sense.
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>>155311868
Oh yeah, I hope you can find more time to work on it, but money is important to have.

>GHP anon's a legend and the realistic one deserves a medal.
Agreed.
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>>155311802
I feel slightly ashamed for not noticing that
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>>155312676
The technical prowess is impressive, yes, but I found the actual game tedious and kinda boring. Don't know what everyone else sees in an open-world Sonic.
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>>155299002
My worlds are colliding.
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>>155314071
I have my issues with it as well. I don't know why people make it out to be so great.
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>mfw American devs ruin my baby and then lose money for it
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>>155314071
>>155314643
>The technical prowess is impressive, yes, but I found the actual game tedious and kinda boring.
This means the foundation is great and all it needs is professional level design.
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>>155311604
shit taste confirmed
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>>155306163
>that shirt
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>>155316020
>Iizuka-san
>san
>using honorifics in English
Disgusting, desu
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>>155299002
>One Piece cover
nice
>Wet Princess not talking about Sally here
NICE

>>155299146
Boom's back baby

>>155306163
oh fuck that's good
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>>155306163
>the asian guy is kazuyuki hoshino
>the creator of amy and metal sonic for you illiterates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPGuTLB-85A
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>>155311537
Kazuyuki Hoshino, who was with Sonic Team during the classic and Adventure series
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T7hdIh-gtw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA8YQReKJ50
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Hey, Amy got her campaign in action.
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>>155317035
Actually I just realized, for being the subject of the story so far she's only on this one variant cover.
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>>155317116
>creator of amy and metal sonic
He is the best.
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>>155318915
That's cute
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>>155318431
A lot of songs use that tune but this does have potential for a SilvaGunner mash up
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>>155314071
>>155314643
I just gave it a shot for the first time, I enjoyed it. It's a bit rough and I don't really like the lack of control with the rolling, but overall I think with more polished level design it can be really good and is impressive for a one person project.

I will say, after playing it, I fully understand why loops are scripted in 3D sections. Feels good to pull it off, but often didn't send me in a great direction or fell off entirely. That might just be me being shit, though.
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>>155320582
>impressive for a one person project.
I don't think it's a one person project, anon.
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Stream happening in about 15 minutes or so at the official Twitch channel, some SoA members are in the chat
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>>155321136
probably going to be gameplay of past games
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>>155321134
Then a small fan team. It's still impressive to me.
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I love Death Metal
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What do you think's gonna happen on the stream?
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>>155322561
No clue.
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GHP dev here. How is everybody tonight? Been awhile. I hear there's some kinda' stream shindig tonight?
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>>155322561
cringe chat for sure
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>>155322871
Just some test stream for extra streams in the future behind-the-scenes at Sega.

By the way, have you seen this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ateRssORWG4
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>>155322871
>I hear there's some kinda' stream shindig tonight?
It's on now it's "sonicofficial" on twitch.
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>>155322941
>Twitch
I don't know what you were expecting.
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>>155322986
You bet. I'm glad that he had some problems with it instead of just blindly praising it.

>>155322941
Mania gameplay!! What?? This is a great surprise!
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>>155322986
This guy negatively references Unleashed a LOT. I thought people were okay with the day stages?
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>special guest
Who will it be?
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Looks like a Japanese guest will be coming on.

>>155323493
Someone Japanese
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>>155322941
>SIGN MY PEITITON FOR GAME GRUMPS CAMEO IN SONCI MANIA AND SANIC 2017
>pm me link
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twitch.tv slash sonicofficial

Get in here
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>>155323493
Someone from the fandom, or someone from the dev team, methinks.
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I just got home, what's going on
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>>155323708
they streaming Mania
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>>155323708
Official Sonic twitch is doing a test stream.
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>>155323708
Sonic test stream. Japanese guest is coming on soon.
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>>155323523
>People want Arin "Sonic was never good" Hanson and Dan "Yeah, whatever you say man" Avidan to appear in a Sonic game
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So where this stream?
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I would buy a iizuka fanclub shirt day 1
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It's Iizuka!
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>>155323942

see >>155323554
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Iizuka and Hoshino are the guests. Make sure to prove Iizuka wrong and show your support for the Iizuka Fan Club t-shirts.
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Seems like they are really having fun.
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Iizuka seems somewhat fluent in English.
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>>155323829
as soon as iizuka started looking at the chat, people were spamming 'game grumps or riot' 'get rid of iizuka and bring on game grumps'
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Damn, I actually forgot about Iizuka working in the US again.
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Oh hey, CD Mania levels are confirmed then.
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Did he just say more classic levels than new?
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ouch, classic levels more than new
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>Are there any surprises about Mania we don't know about?
>Sure. There's this stuff we already know about and stuff we can't talk about
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>Will there be super emeralds?
>...No
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Apparently, there's a new item in Sonic Mania.

>>155324673
The Super Emeralds in Sonic 3 & Knuckles were a lock-on bonus. Why the hell did anyone expect them to appear again?
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2017 confirmed for holiday 2017
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I'd buy a Izuka Tee-Shirt
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>>155324796
That was confirmed in the trailer. That's not new information.
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Oh come on, they just noded at everything
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>>155324774
Because of the mysticism behind them, and Hidden Palace itself.
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It's so hard to be angry after seeing Aaron, Iizuka, and Hoshino sit back, relax, and play Sonic Mania.
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Wow, everything that could have gone wrong on my side went bad.

Came home when the stream had already started, twitch will not load on my browser no matter what I do, log in frame does not appear when I click the log in button either...
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>>155324464
>>155324471
Appears so, not too surprising, but I was hoping for half new/half re-imagined. Still, that puts at least 5 stages for classic stuff, so I'm hoping there's 4 or so new ones.
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IM NOT HOME RIGHT NOW WHATS GOING ON
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>>155325126
You did not miss anything.
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>more classic levels than new
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>GAME GRUMPS CAMEO OR RIOT
both fandoms are autistic but the intersection is just something else
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>>155325250
One of them is comprised of low-functioning retarded children. Take a wild guess which!
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>>155325152
Aaron and an intern (I got in late and didn't catch the name) played Studiopolis Zone

Iizuka and Hoshino showed up as guests.

Aaron wants to sell Iizuka fan club t-shirts.

They answered a couple questions about Mania, biggest take is that there are more classic zones than new ones.
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>>155325220
Unless there's 12 or more zones, I'm honestly kind of disappointed.
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>>155325174
It pisses me off to no end that it just stopped working when I needed it to work and that I had to spend the time I could have spent the stream live, fighting to try to make it work.
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>>155325220
Honestly, I'm not too disappointed.

I mean, if this is successful, and I mean really successful, then it's liable that we'll get a sequel, or at least DLC.

In any case, the game itself should be fun.
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>>155325486
well the game is going to be longer than Generations so maybe
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>>155325358
I'm guessing game grumps simply because their fanbase in probably 8-15?
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>>155325373
>biggest take is that there are more classic zones than new ones.
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT
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>>155324774
Because the lock-on is seen as the whole game as it was meant to be, not two games together with a few bonuses.
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maybe it's like 10 classic zones and 9 new ones
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>>155325601
That's kinda my feeling too. Since they showed off remastered zones I felt that this is basically a test run, especially since Iizuka admitted he was worried how Mania would be received back at SoS.
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>>155324385
Which one do you guys think it'll be? And will Act 3 show the Bad Future?
My money's on Stardust Speedway
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>we could have just played/seen a significant percentage of the new stages for Mania just because of Studiopolis
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>>155325787
I would lose my fucking shit.
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>>155325787
I was thinking more 5 classics, 4 new.
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>>155265798
Didn't Evan used to come here, too?
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>game grumps are awesome i watch them every oday after shcool really want to see them as guests on this stream especially if ythey play sonic 2006 please i dont eve nlike sonci i just want game grumps to play sonic 2006 again

jimminy christmas
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>>155326034
I weep for this generation.
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>>155279094
Good expressions and poses dude, kudos.
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>>155325817
Easy guess is Stardust Speedway. I'd like to see Quartz Quadrant or maybe they take a challenge and do Wacky Workbench.

The bigger question is which soundtrack they go for.

>>155326017
She stopped by once during the middle of the night out of nowhere, drew anti-tikal from her fan comic, and disappeared.
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>>155326034
I blame Aaron for encouraging them.
I love the mememan, but he needs to cut the game grumps interaction.
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>>155326253
obviously the jap version
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>>155326034
>i dont eve nlike sonci
then why even watch the stream
holy shit
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>>155326379
i'd be ok with the Game Grump interaction if Arin didn't shit on Sonic games all the time
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>>155325681
I feel like this is a test. First they get to do the ports in the new engine, they get to add some new things along the way. Now they are remaking things with existing levels to reimagine and get to bring completely new stuff to the table.

I think if Mania does well, we get a completely new Classic game from them next.
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>>155325373
>there are more classic zones than new ones.
Well, if Green Hill Zone is any indication, at least they'll have new stuff going on instead of just a straight copy.
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>>155325817
I wouldn't mind Tidal Tempest for a water level. I'd rather them do Ice Cap from 3 than Hydrocity.

This is only assuming classics get one level each, though. And that might not be the case.
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>>155272495
As an anon who requested this, thank you and great pic! Blaze looks good, too.
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So, what do we know from this stream so far? Or have I missed it?
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>>155326379
Amen. It began as Aaron poking fun with them in order to talk about Sonic and its past flaws. It allowed him a notable outlet to say "Hey! We can laugh out ourselves sometimes!" That much is great and good on him and SEGA for letting that self-awareness happen.

HOWEVER. Arin, the head of Game Grumps, hates every Sonic game that has ever been made (except for Green Hill Paradise, oddly enough) and actively DISCOURAGES people from playing them.

Aaron needs to understand that there's a big difference between poking fun at yourself and fraternizing with the enemy.
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>>155276834
Sonic and Hatsune Miku high-fiveing.
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>>155326558
>I think if Mania does well, we get a completely new Classic game from them next.
I can only hope. The title should be Sonic 4 Real This Time
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>>155326974
The thing is, they have a big fanbase.

You can't deny that, and if you can win Arin over, just a bit, then you can tap a little bit into that base.

Really, it's all banking on Arin saying 'Ah, the Sonic Twitter is pretty cool actually', and it's worth it.
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>>155326794
The only new thing is that Mania is going to have levels from all 5 classic games (1, 2, CD, 3, &K) and that there will be more classic levels than new levels, which means there will probably be 9 zones.
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>>155326974
>(except for Green Hill Paradise, oddly enough)
I thought he sounded like a kid disappointed with his Christmas present when he played that
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>>155326974
Has he ever explained his reasons for why he thinks the classics are bad?
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>>155326794
There will be gameplay streams in the future
There might be Iizuka-san Fan Club t-shirts
Sonic Mania has more classic levels than new ones
The classic levels being from 1, 2, 3&K, and CD
Sega really doesn't give a shit about the Super Emeralds and never will
A new item is coming to Sonic Mania
Iizuka can speak a decent amount of English
Iizuka has parents
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>>155299146
IT'S BACK BOYS

YOU'D BETTER BUY IT THIS TIME YOU FAGS unless it's stopped being funny because someone wished on a monkey's paw
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>>155326794
More classic zones than new zones.
Only 3 playable characters, no Mighty/Fang/etc.
No Super Emeralds, but there is a new item yet to be revealed.
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>>155327275
>>155327315
Also, there might be some behind-the-scenes streams at Sega.
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>>155327207
>The thing is, they have a big fanbase.
So does Sonic, so what's your point?

Arin is a stubborn piece of shit who refuses to admit he's ever wrong. It won't happen. Fuck 'em.
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>>155327315
I think he simply meant that there were going to be three playable characters, not that there wouldn't be Nack or Amy or any other characters as NPCs

One thing I *actually* wanted to know was if there would be cutscenes or a story.
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>>155326558
And here I thought that the ports of CD and 2 WERE the tests. Seriously. We've already had two tests of the concept, team and engine what more could they possibly need to test?

>>155327239
Prolly cuz he sucked at it.

>>155327267
His literal criticism is
>It's... It's just nothing. You just go and jump sometimes and that's it.

So his problem with classic Sonic is that it's a platformer.
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>>155327302
It's just a trade of the remaining issues
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>>155327405
>or a story
They said there would be a story already.
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>>155317035
>>155327302
It's a trade paperback of previous issues, not new ones.
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>>155327267
>Has he ever explained his reasons for why he thinks the classics are bad?
clickbait
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>>155327405
Taxman mentioned in a post that there's a story.
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How the fuck do I git gud at Sonic 1 Special Stages?
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>>155327302

that's just a trade
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>>155327393
Well, the Sonic fanbase is on the back foot, they're an easy target of derision. That does hurt, besides, it doesn't do them any harm to be nice to Arin, you attract flies with honey rather than vinegar after all.

>>155327480
I meant as something that would be seen in the game, rather than something written in the manual.
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>>155327554
You take out the cart and put in Sonic 2's instead.
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>>155327465
>We've already had two tests of the concept, team and engine what more could they possibly need to test?
Likely how their completely new levels will go and be received. The biggest criticisms of Sonic fan games have always been their level design.
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>>155327465
Arin sucks at all games
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>>155326974
I recall him saying he didn't hate Lost World.
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>tfw Aaron will never have a Let's Play channel with Iizuka where they play every Sonic game ever
This is a feel I didn't even know I had, but it hurts nonetheless
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>>155279370
>>155280594
>>155285734
>>155326248
>>155272949
>>155273265
>>155285167
>>155326764


Cheers for the feedback guys.
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>>155327615
>rather than something written in the manual.
Well, I doubt there is a manual at all, but I know what you are getting at.
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>>155328070
i miss game manuals
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>>155327275
Also, no news on a potential downloadable Mania demo.
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>>155327848
Probably because it's barely a Sonic game.
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I wonder what Iizuka thinks about interacting with the fanbase more and doing ridiculous things in public for the sake of fun.
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>>155328147
Likewise, there was something magical about that open box smell and reading about the game you were installing. Especially when it had random trivia put in there for no discernable reason.

I probably learnt more about history from AoEII than I did from classes.
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>>155328398
Since they are all over there, I hope we get to see more of him and other folks at Sonic Team whenever they do these streams. Reading the chat, Aaron wants play all the Sonic games on streams.
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>>155327615
>you attract flies with honey rather than vinegar
>

I don'y know about houseflies, but we definitely caught a lot of fruit flies with our vinegar bowl, Hooray science!
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is it time for a new thread yet
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>>155328676
Well, we are on page 10.
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>>155307096
Practice x a million.
go to http://www.quickposes.com/gestures/timed and take the 60 timed gestures session for about 10/20 minutes a day every day. do that for a month. focus on drawing what you see as fast as you can, and throwing out all your sketches once you've finished them.

The site is good because every day your time is added and you win little awards for drawing a little bit every day for certain time milestones. It's dumb but it does help you build a habit of spending at least half an hour every day drawing.

After a month you'll notice marked improvement in your posing and your general ability to draw a humanoid form/hands/feet etc. Your poses should become less stiff and your fundamentals will improve. And seeing your basics get better will be good for you, and keep you hyped to draw.

If you're just starting out you're in a great place, because you won't have (m)any bad habits to break.

Apart from that just draw anything you can whenever you can. tables chairs, plates, rooms, facial expressions, screencaps from movies to get scenes and camera placing down.

And of course sonic style faces and bodies etc, but that should come a little while after you're happy with your drawing. It's tempting to start drawing in sega style immediately, but try to resist. Your still will look better if you get your basics down before applying styles.
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>>155328676
jesus christ I just realised the post count
someone quick
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>>155328924
But what about the drawing of shapes? I mean I'm tempted to do those, but at the same time I feel I might end up symbol drawing rather than grasping the shapes themselves.

I'll give it a go regardless. Thanks
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I have new art to post, make a new thread quickly!
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>>155325590
>>155325590
>>155325590
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>>155322437
I'm surprised at how it caught on. It was spawned from a Sonic Channel pic.
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>>155329517
>>155325590
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