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Has Science Gone Too Far?

Previous thread: >>154615228
Permalink: http://orph.link/eog

>Can I make enough ISK to PLEX during the trial?
If you have to ask, you can't do it.

>I just started, what should I do?
Do the Opportunities then all the Career Agent missions; they give you ISK, ships, skillbooks and teach you basics. Talk to players and try to find a corp. The game is only as boring as you are.

>Is it too late to start playing EVE?
No.

Read the /eog/ pastebin: http://pastebin.com/JGKUEsZy
Focus Group Logs: https://focusgrouplogs.tech.ccp.is/

Future:
>Winter: Industrial arrays, drilling platforms
>Nov 25: Eve Down Under
>Nov ??: http://updates.eveonline.com/coming/fall/ click through for devblog links on F2P and LINKS, plus teasers for rorqual reworks, industry structures, visual updates AND also free stuff, plus a new ship
>Oct 28: Eve Vegas
>Sep 27: Coronation of Catiz I
>Sep 13: Mining barge overhaul, some new frigate models, capital module balance pass
>Sep 12: CSM 11 first summit

Past:
>Aug 20: NC/PL dunk CO2/TEST in SH1-, biggest fight since B-R http://imgur.com/a/YhwzU
>Aug 13: [SoundCloud] WH CSM Townhall 13AUG2016 by OrangeEagle
>Aug 09: Citadel contracts, dmg/rep visuals, clouds performance boost, cargo notifications
>Jul 26: AT prizes announced (blood raider variations)
>Jul 23: Goons move to Delve, SMA closes
>Jul 19: Broski joins then kills QFC
>Jul 18: Billboards submissions open
>Jul 07: AT rule changes: 10 players, no cap-xfer, no CDs, blood raider ships encouraged
>Jun 29: "Shadow of the Serpent" event began, serp capitals introduced
>Jun 28: Citadel trading, overlay vectors, new implants, drugs legal, NSA nerfs, triage/seige/bastion now ECM immune, mass fitting
>Jun 23: RIP SP dailies
>May 30: RIP Dust 514 (long live Project Nova)
>Apr 27: Citadels & cap rebalance released. Tears, bugs, etc. RIP rolling yachts.
>Foozie makes a bunch of stupid pointless changes (don't ever remove this from the OP, because it is always true)
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>Amarr
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2st for SP should be removed
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caw
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rawr
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Looking for null or wh corp/alliance to join for pve content: farm, exploration, ded plexes. Want some quiet place (as it possible ofc), but any pvp activity welcome. Any ideas how and where to search people for such objectives?
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>>154875176
10/10 waifu-tier, would give her my seabeast

>>154875372
0/10 gross tryhard faggotry
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Join All-Out
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>>154875484
>he hates dogs
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>>154875501
Sounds interesting, thank you.
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>kevin
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>>154873872
Does anybody know how to turn these bracket things on permanently? I only see them when I hover over which is not very useful to me as a noob
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>>154876403
don't think you can
just use the overview nigger
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>go out in ass frigate with 10k rockets and 75 cbs
>return with a dozen skins
>sell them off undercutting the closest price by 10 or sometimes even 20 million
>count those transactions pouring in
fuck jita whores, I aint about that hourly I need that money in my hand ya hur
keep squabbling over 1 isk faggots
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>>154877906
>assfrigate
>doing purity sites faster than snail speed
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>using full autism pve shitter ships for event sites
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>>154878096
I do one site in about 5 minutes. Ass frigate is good because I can travel between systems quick, clear them out, and move on.
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>>154878865
just fly a confessor
orbit at 60kms with aurora and afk
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Post master race ships/skins.
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>>154879330
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>>154875124
Why not? All those F2P players would probably sub.
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whats a good rattlesnake fit for sanctums
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>>154879330
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>>154879330
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>>154879507
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>>154879431
[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake 30 mil tick]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier

Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Pith X-Type EM Ward Field
Pith X-Type EM Ward Field
Pith X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Domination Shield Boost Amplifier

Drone Link Augmentor II
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Ammo, scripts and drones
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>>154879403
>>154879439
>>154879507
>>154879651
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>>154879720
>Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher
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>>154879720
Used with Gecko mind you
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>Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher
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>>154879720
this is pretty over priced and shit.

>pith x-type shield booster
>no cap booster
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>Warp 20 jumps in dead as fuck null sec
>no white master race skin sites

why even live
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>>154879720
why not just use a marauder at this point
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>marauder
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>not marauder
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>>154879720
>this expensive ass shit just for 30m a tick
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>>154880362
10h = 900 mil
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>>154827787
>>154825705
Look at the picture again you stupid spastic dumbfuck retard shithead cunt

WHERE IS THE TOGGLE FOR THAT OPTION
IT IS NOT THERE
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Quick question, I'm relatively new and haven't played in forever.

When I set destination, when I hit S (my jump to hotkey) it still needs me to click on the name in the overview (annoying in systems where the destination gets buried in the overview
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>>154880541
I make 900m in one hour of L5 missions
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>>154880541
You'll make more doing incursions. A tick is 20 minutes, you're making 90m an hour

Highsec incursions make 31.5m every 13 minutes, which is 126m an hour before LP which adds a huge jump in money aswell
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>>154880598
...so what's your question?
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>>154880574
login first you dumb subhuman trash
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>>154880598
so get a better overview that filters shit or that has a travel tab
look for sarashawa overview if you want to see what a premade one looks like, but its better to make it on your own.

Also when you have a destination the yellow gates get pre selected when you jump so you can just keep clicking on the jump icon in the select window.
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>>154880614
>everyone in EVE does lvl 5

that's what conclusion I draw from listening to your lies
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>>154881096
>everyone in EVE blows 2b on some retarded shit rattlesnake fit just to get 30m isk every 20 minutes.

Congrats, you blew as much money as the average incursion vindicator to do nullsec ratting for less money
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>>154880112
Because I ran them
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>>154881096
why do you imply its hard to do L5s?
I do them too.
Just need 1 cheap carrier and 1 pilot with 7+ main faction standing, anything more than that is just a bonus.

That rattlesnake is ironically probably more expensive than a carrier
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>>154881096
Level 5 missions aren't even hard, you literally warp a carrier in, kill one thing, insta-align and warp out
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>>154880989
hotkeys requiring clicking the overview sorta undermines the idea
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>>154881418
>>154881418
Does your alliance own the pipe
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>>154881472
no
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>>154881573
Huh
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>>154881472
Your alliance doesn't need to own the pipe, you just do them.

I do them for caldari and amarr and never run into issues with locals or anything
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>>154881642
huh?
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>>154880112
nigga wat. you should be finding a site every other system or so
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tfw ccp will never fix/remove capital pve
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>>154882250
They did in w space thx foozie
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>>154882250
Level 5's are impossible otherwise
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What would be the coziest frigate to live on like a little space camper? Assuming you're not a capsuleer in a pod of course.

I vote the Probe or the Astero
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>>154885165
probe is comfy as fuck
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>>154885165
Purifier
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Some Code Chode podded me while I was trying to figure out that stupid SoE Discovery minigame, so when he started talking to me I just linked him about a dozen pictures of furry scat porn.

I feel vindicated.
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>>154883065
rattle can solo them
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>>154883065
not that relevant and also not true. you make too much isk doing capital pve
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I hope the price of the confessor purity skins goes down, I don't want to have to spend 300M on one. Anyone know how long this event is lasting?
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>>154885636
>tfw just got the purity skin for the purifier
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>>154885970
In about 8 times the time a shitty T2 carrier takes to press 1 button.

Might as well do L4s
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>>154888684
Just saying
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When will I get to that point when it isnt a grind to get enough for a PLEX?
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>>154890610
when you find something gamebreaking to do like l5 missions or wormhole pve
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Join Broski.
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>>154890610
When you get gud at hacking.
Or when you can clear L4-L5 MIssions
Or when you can join a null corp and run sites with good ships
Or when you afk rat on those sites all day long
or when you play with the market
and more

>>154891727
I'd rather kill myself than join an alliance filled with unfunny /b/ tier edgelords that browse reddit and think le funny wacky avatar faces are a meme
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>INRI
>My Wife's Son
>Steelrattty
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>le funny wacky avatar faces
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>>154891870
Why you salty senpai
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>>154891916
My wife's son is in goonswarm now
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check out this cool & good thing

http://timeglider.com/t/ed119db9b36b63b5?min_zoom=1&max_zoom=100
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>>154885857

Ironically, he can now report you for harassment.
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>>154885857
That's not funny that's just autistic
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>go to jita to pick up purity skins for all the amarr ships I use
>remember I don't use any amarr ships because they're all shit or for blobbing
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>>154896031
>slicer
>confessor
>pilgrim
>51km curse
>devoter
>omen navy issue
>harbringer navy issue
>vengeance
>punisher
>purifier
>blob shiops
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confessor-chan needs a bath!
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>>154897167
>one trick pony meme ships

punisher is good though I guess
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>>154898041
>neuting is a one trick meme
>kiting is a one trick meme
>brawling is a one trick meme
so if its not a svipul its a one trick meme?
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>>154899242
common ships that only have 1 viable fit, they're not good for soloing

and

>amarr solo
>brawling

tormentor and executioner can do it i guess
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>tormentor
>executioner
>brawl
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if I dont subscribe, just plex my account I wont get the reward in november?
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>someone undercuts me by 100mil
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>>154900796

buy it and relist it at the correct price
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>>154901131
t. undercutter
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>>154901131
its a buy order
so maybe its not called undercutting but whatever
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>>154901158

how does that make sense, he's making money off me being impatient

thats the whole reason why not selling directly to buy orders is a thing
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kek
https://zkillboard.com/kill/56111172/
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>>154902152
why does someone transport plexes in LS
why does someone put plex in a jf
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>>154902297
More like why the fuck are they keep dying to that faggot. It's several JFs a day.
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memes
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Hello, i'm new to eve and had some trouble installing it in my system (debian), it's running fine now but i only have 10 trial days left.

Is it realistic to get enough money for PLEX in 10 days? Considering i'll only be able to play about 4 hours/day? I'm not asking to be spoonfed, i'll do my own research, i just want to know if it's a realistic expectation or if it's complex enough for a beginner that i shouldn't bother.
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>>154905467
Did you even read the OP?
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>>154905772
Yes, i have, it does not answer my question.
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Is there any justifiable reason why these hack devs still cannot program believable physics yet? It's like these tanks weigh 500kg or something they just fuckin bounce off anything they collide with
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>>154906182
I know a lot of eve players play wot but come on man
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>>154906182
Cpu intensity. Calculating physics is hard. They already have it for bumping in regards to vectors but it's really simple and probably not the physics you're looking for
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>>154886207
A significant number of missions are impossible purely because the dps is so high and the neuting power is so high. All the neuts webs and towers can hit you from grid not including any neuts or dps that come from rats. The Fortress will next you dry in less than a minute
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>>154906182
'tanks'? Are you sure you're in the right thread friendo? You might be looking for /wtg/ or /wotg/.
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>>154905910
No, it's not really feasible.
Well, actually, it's possible with this event going on, that you could sell enough skins to get a plex, but you'd need a decent PVE ship.
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is the sleipnir the best subcap?
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>>154899949
PLEXing counts as being subscribed.
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>>154901382
Yeah but if you buy it from him, he gains your money but you gain your money back plus a hundred million
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>>154879156
>afk
>with a turret ship
Stratios with geckos is where its at.

>park it there
>launch drones
>shitpost on /eog/ or whatever
>come back to pick up free skin
>repeat
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What are missiles boats good for?

Please give 2 examples of pve/isk making and 2 of PvP

Thank you kindly
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>afking a 2 minute site
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>>154880745
>ignoring the 2 hour downtime while waiting for a spot
And don't deny it. Ever since goons got their shit pushed in and can't rat anymore, the waitlist has gotten ridiculous.

Moving to a new incursion can also cost you quite some time.
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>>154912652
>pve against NPCs that are weak to kinetic
>pve against NPCs that use tracking disruptors

>small gang pvp where missile travel time is not important
>huge alpha in PVP, like a fleet of phoenixes can erase a lot of stuff
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>>154912882

Thanks :)

Sorry for one more noob question - is the raven any good for anything pve? Every time I look up stuff for it it ends up at navy/rattlesnake.

I'd love to use the rattlesnake but it's so expensive
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>>154912656
>implying it takes longer than 2 minutes to shitpost on /dog/
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>>154912965
Raven is garbage. Buy a rattlesnake
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>>154912965
raven costs 200mil, rattlesnake costs 500
(not counting fits)

also you need missile AND drone skills for rattle

1, some people cant afford it
2, they dont want to pve in expensive ships because it could get ganked
(maybe they are inexperienced and want to be careful at start)
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>500M
>implying
>can't afford
lol
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>>154913097
right, its 430, glanced at the wrong data on evecentral

yeah some people started the game not long ago and they dont have bills
#woah
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>ganking a passive rattler
Yeah, nah

Unless you pimp it to ridiculous levels no one's going to bother.
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>>154913016
>>154913038

How much is the rattle fully fitted? I could run some more incursions and save isk for it before wanting to tie the noose again.

My drone skills are not fantastic but I've got supports at 4 now and I'm currently training the main one with 10% damage to V.
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>>154913132
https://zkillboard.com/ship/17918/losses/

>>154913162
>look at incursion corp description
>look at their recommended rattle fit
>copy the fit to clipboard
>enter it into evepraisal.com/
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>>154913162
>rattle fully fitted
That would depend on what kind of PvE you are doing. For level 4's, T2 stuff will do just fine so that's like 25 mil tops.

If you want to run C3 wormholes you're going to need a bit of pimp.
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>>154913231
>https://zkillboard.com/ship/17918/losses/
There's exactly one highsec loss on the first page and it's not even a gank.
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>>154913231
>so much snuggly
Wew lad.

>>154913162
Unless you go for t2 rigs not much. If you active tank it, the best DED rep is like 100m only.
Protip: the rattle role bonus is so borkne that you don't need heavies/sentries t2. Just drop faction drones and you are good.
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>>154913279

Okay sweet

WH ratting sounds ideal for me. I really want to be able to earn independently and no longer listen to TS spergs.

From my bit of reading on it though it really seems like I should find a corp? Is that right?
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>>154913353
>>so much snuggly
what?

>>154913352
yeah I didnt mean suicide ganking, sorry
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>>154913567
That's got to be fake
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>>154913567
sauce?
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>>154914862
>>154913719
Pyfa.
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>>154913567
>>154915083
>reps more than a T2
>overall, requires less fitting than a T2

I thought CCP wanted to get rid of this kind of shit?
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>cold iron skin
http://playground.schildwall.info/sisileaks/newtypes/
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>>154915289
Who still cares about skins at this point?

Most of em barely look different from the default.
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>he flies unskinned ships
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>>154915789
>implying you'll even notice my ship skin when I'm busy murdering you
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>>154915957
>mad jelly poor
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>>154916142
Poor, probably depending on your standards.

Mad and jelly, nah.
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>>154915236
Ccp is retarded.

Even then the normal armor reps are shit in the face of shield boosters even with a bonus to rep amount they don't heal that much

Hopefully someone will point it out to ccp and they'll correct it
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>heal
And they use too much mana
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Does missile velocity increase dps?
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This game would be so much better without a talent tree.
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>>154917162
No
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>>154917162
it increases your range basically
like, they can go further before running out of fuel
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>mfw there is no reason to use the moros over the nag
>mfw the moros is worse in every wa
>mfw people told ccp the bonus was garbage and the moros would be too but they didn't listen
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>>154917402
I know but when I'm firing cruises over 130k does the increased velocity make the total applied damage better? I'm fitting it for convenience tho because the travel time is gay.
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>>154917496
No it doesn't. Velocity of the missile has no bearing on damage or damage output. Your DPS doesn't increase at all
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>>154917496
no
explosion radius and explosion velocity help with the damage
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Missile_Damage
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>>154873872
Oh shit i'm sorry!
Sorry for what?
our empress taught us not to be ashamed of our white ships,
especially since they're such big size n' all.
it gets whiter when i farm for it.
hmmMMMmm!
Sometimes, i farm those sites so hard, they drop the skins!
Well my daddy taught me a couple of things too, like how not to drop the skins by using somebody else's gila, and steadying your turrets aim.
Will you show me?
I'd be right happy to. [scrams intensify]
https://zkillboard.com/kill/56118808/

Join all-out
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>zkill having shit items ovepriced again
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>>154917496
You need to increase your explosion velocity if you want dps increase.

And travel time will always be gay on missile boats. It's one of the main reasons they are rarely used in F1 blob combat.
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>>154917803
What a trash fit
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>Battleship torpedoes are such shit that even if you web, scram and target paint another Battleship you can't apply more than 65% your paper dps
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>being a retard and using torpedoes
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>>154919096
Ccp needs to buff torpedos
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>>154918939
just dont use rage torps against armour ships you fuckin sperg they're for shield tanked battleships or structures
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>>154919565
That isn't with rage tops, that's caldari navy torps
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>>154919565
>unlike every other weapon system this particular one is only for shield ships and structures because I said so and I have no basis for this at all
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>>154919565

Just don't use Gleam L against armor ships you you fuckin sperg its for shield tanked battleships or structures
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>he shoots EM against armor
lmao no wonder this thread is so bad. so many retards here
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>implying you have much of a choice when using the worst weapons platform in the game
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>>154922880

>If I shoot nova cruise missiles I will surely win against this napoc fleet
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>>154923727
If u use rapid heavies, you baka
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>>154905467
It's absolutely possible to do it with 40 hours of game time if you do your research. I dicked around for the first 20 days of my trial and made 200mil and then I found out where the money was at and made 1b in the last 10 days
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>Amarr
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>that one retard who thinks shield buffer ships (larger sig) are easier to apply damage to than armour buffer ships (lower speed), even though they mitigate about the same damage
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>people still pay to play a game that's going f2p in a few weeks
lmfao
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>>154907074

They are not impossible if you aren't a solosperg retard.
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>>154907074
>he doesn't know you can perma nos rats
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>>154873872
Question. If I'm in highsec say a 0.7 system and I see a dude in a T1 industrial/Venture/Gankship and he has a yellow suspect flag. Is that a trap? If his friends join in won't they die to Concord? Can I just load up in my Coercer and destroy him?
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>>154930382
Going to need more context but if he's just sitting there it's probably a trap, yes.
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>>154930382
It probably is a trap. Losing a coercer to a trap is not a huge embarrassment though, so go for it to learn what the trap is at the very least.
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>>154929605
They sure as hell are once you web them. It means less mids over all (web + tp/mgc) used on application because the target already has a bloated sig value and takes increased damage.
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>>154930602
The first time I was on my way to the Amarr trade hub. After jumping through a gate I saw a T1 industrial just floating there 20km or so off the gate. He had kill rights on him. The second was a similar situation this time with a flagged Atron. His friend was nearby in an Oracle but not flagged. Now I could have rekt this atron in since he was extremely close (10km or so) but I was worried about his friend. Then I thought who would waste a 60m+ battlecruiser on killing a <5m Coercer. So I was a bit confused to say the least
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>>154931298
No its still about the same
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>>154930137
It doesnt matter you can't shrug off some -400 neuting power with nos
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>>154931580
You're right, that oracle wouldn't suicide gank you just so it can save a lousy atron. Why are you so sure the oracle was a friend of the atron?
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>>154930041
You're losing so much isk/hr when you involve multiple People and you blow so much time doing them
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>>154930382
Is it in Renyn?
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>>154932016
They were in the same corp "The Conference Elite"
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>>154932092
>that name rings a bell
>look it up
>member of CODE.
Yeah that explains it.

He's trying to get rid of his killrights in all likelyhood. Doubt it was a trap.
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>>154907074
yeah I'm sure they are. capital pve is still broken though
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>>154933503
u mad?
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>>154934575
you are
>>
What's memeing?
>>
Post a webm that assures this game isn't a spreadsheet sim.
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>space ships
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>>154935770
No. Fuck you, anon.
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master race best haulers
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>>154933503
You're fucking stupid
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>>154936883
>wow poors lmao I make 2b per hour lol

>maybe capital pve is too profitable

>You're fucking stupid
>>
>[17:32:44] Kueyen > first purity site I do, and I promptly get stolen. scr*w this.
Why are carebears so entitled
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>>154937279
>not keeping range at 500 on the battlecruiser so you can instantly loot it when it dies
>>
>highsec fags
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>>154937054
It's not 2b an hour it's 500m to 900m based on the lp market

>um it's too profitable because I said s
>I don't know anything about the missions or the fact that they must be done in a carrier but you should take a fleet to one of the missions that you can't survive and take 10x the time to do it. Cutting your profit into a fraction of what it is to sub 40m an hour. Since the lp is all on one character hurricane surface I don't know shit

Literally you
>if I can't have it that means it makes too much

You wonder why no one does cap escalations anymore
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>>154937604
>arrive in dead-end highsec system
>5 purity sites
>noice
>1 other fag in local
>warp to site
>he happens to be there too
>lock him up
>kill cardinal
>loot belongs to me
>wait and bait
>he goes suspect stealing it
>scram him with faction scram
>he warps out
>fucking tripple stabbed in highsec
>he sits in station as I clear the other 4 sites
I don't even know what goes through these idiot's minds.
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>>154937991
>You wonder why no one does cap escalations anymore
because they are worthless
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>>154937991
>guys I had to buy a carrier, that means 900m per hour is fine

>and we can't nerf it because I have no choice but to run level 5 missions, so I would be forced to run them in a group and make shitty isk/hour
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>>154938248
not not even close 900m an hour hes just meme'n
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>>154915083
This has been around forever, the module does not actually exist.
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>>154938248
I actually had to buy 6 carriers, fits, fighters and more

You have no argument
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>>154938475
you could have to buy 50 and it would still be fucking retarded
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>900m/h
>6toons
oh so its 150m an hour
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>>154938597
No he means he's keeping those 6 carriers in all nearby systems so he doesn't have to light cynos.

At least that's what I think he means. It would be retarded to need 6 carriers for level 5's.
>>
Even with 1 toon its still not even close to 900m an hour
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>>154938203
Actually gave me kek. Here's one Internet
>>
Kasper stop b eing a fag.

I know you're lurking here faggot.
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>arrange turrets for optimal overheating
>ship looks retarded

ccp pls
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What about zones without prop mods.
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>>154943107
https://zkillboard.com/kill/56116563/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/56077972/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/56033570/
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>>154943107
>>154943879
what's going on here
>>
Stop posting your faggot killmails anon.

They're neither hilarious nor impressive.
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>Goons shoot blues for half a fight
>Kill 500 mil
>Loose 30bil for their trouble
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>>154944071
It's not even mine. Just memes I find when checking zkill for people in local.
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>>154938696
Where I run my missions in amarr and caldari space there is 6 mission locations where they spawn from 2 mission hubs
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>>154938565

Literally you
>if I can't have it that means it makes too much
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>>154944920

Literally you
>I'm retarded and can't read
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>>154944418
I feel bad for you anon kun
I only need 4 carriers in the Iges-Uphallant region.
And there is nothing but mouth breathing retards around the area like Escalated Entropy, Lowsec Brave and some other faggots that have given up trying to scan me.
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>>154945032
I-ITS UNFAIRRRRRRRRRRR
THEY DO MORE MONEY THAN MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
WAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
WHY AM I NOT DOING MORE MONEY AFK RATTING ON MY VNI I OWNNNNNNNNN SOVVVVVVVVVVVVV
WAHHHHHHHHHHH
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>>154945340
>I'm retarded and can't read: capital letters edition
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>>154945174
Caldari amarr lp is worth more currently so. Idc
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>amarr lp
Wasn't it garbo? They have literally nothing interesting.
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>>154938597
You keep a carrier on each system the agent might send you to.
So all you do is get on your leopard with ascendancy set and warp around at 24au/s from system to system.

The whole point of blitzing missions is doing as fast as possible, inside or outside the actual mission.
The carriers are also fit to warp faster than a T1 cruiser with ascendancy set so the window for tackling them is only open for the good scanners (pretty much nobody in the game)
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>>154945390
its ok anon, keep working hard on that plex.
I'll be over here making almost one plex an hour by literally warping around with no danger what so ever.
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>>154945718
I don't even need to make isk
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>>154945803
>still bitches about people making "too mush" isk
sure thing buddy
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>>154945940
you did not just fucking dog post me, faggot. I have the most dog pictures of anyone here
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>>154945538
Which is why I'm doing caldari lp atm
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>>154946045
I thought they were all the same implant wise?
Except for ships and modules but those are too much trouble
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>le i spend real money on eve and proud memey
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>>154946234
I'm cashing out with missiles at, they sell pretty well in faction war

I hate doing caldari navy modules because of those dumb tags. I don't know where people get them and there's no money on buying then off market
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>>154946449
They drop from rats in the fw plexes, so yeah pretty gay getting them.
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>>154946548
https://youtu.be/b_MIb3mYznE
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>>154946449
oh
I just run them so fast with an absolute maxed pilot that I just cash out in implants, sell to buy orders instantly and I'm done with it.

I only actually set up sell orders for some 05 implants when I'm at work.

Too lazy to care, too much isk to bother I guess.

Also, whats the wyvernslayer equivalent in caldari?
Do you also get high-grade snake omegas constantly from the npc?
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>>154946913
>Also, whats the wyvernslayer equivalent in caldari
It's still wyrmslayer with guest as instead of serpentis

And the implant sets are all the same
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>Crane
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>>154949198
better?
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>>154949417

>shadow iron

Is there more useless ammo for hybrids?
>>
>still not Prorator
>>
>unironical meta mods
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>>154949417
Ever wonder what small gang fleets could be flown with that sort of income?
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>>154951074
that's not how richfags work. they need that money to buy ships they'll never use
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>>154951153

I know right? Just buying a couple AT price cruisers isn't enough. Gotta have a dozen. Each.
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>>154951153
That's funky. Duos are fun.
>>
Can't wait for november and the removal of OG links. Might actually bother to login.
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>>154952790
be sure to check /eog/, I'll be here complaining about how overpowered links still are
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>>154952925

Literally nobody will give a fuck anymore since you can just primary them.
>>
>hey small gang/solo friends, just primary this command ship at 80km
>>
Give me an idea what to do /dog/. I did lots of tense pvp and need an outlet. Something chill and pve plz.
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>>154953562
Also might actually fix the raging homofaggotry that is FW/general linked ~solo~ gayness.
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>>154953721
>waa, why don't you engage my 10km/s 30km scram homoboat
>i can't post elite solo videos on whatever circlejerk forum/chat
>wawawawaaa
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>>154953909
yeah that's what anti-links people sound like right
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>>154953747
Lowsec anoms in a fessor
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>>154953747

Ice mining in forge.
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>>154953747
Suicide gank some CODE. ships
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>>154954002
>>154953747
Or belts.
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>>154954163
Is there a method to finding officers? Picking a region and nullifying every rat in proximity?

What fit?
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>>154954375
If there was a solid method of hunting officers, their mods wouldn't be as expensive as they are, now would they?
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>>154954375
The mordu rats aren't officers. As for them, officers only spawn in npc null or -1 truesec. People drop caps on them.
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>Undock nightmares
>200 man SC fleet immediately shits itself and stands down
>Paq complains about not having 3-1 odds for 20 minutes
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>making shit up
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>>154954375
>region
I think the pirate faction home regions supposedly spawn more officers.
>nullifying every rat
Yes, I think you want to clear the belts so that new shit spawn
>What fit
Whatever clears shit fast and warps quick. Mach/Ishtar? You want to bring friends or caps for the actual officer kill.
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>>154954603
I remember time when SHDC and the likes were cool and not the blob machines they are today. RIP lowsec.
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>>154954721

He's not though. SC formed 200 guys with capitals to defend a Poco and when Snuff undocked nightmares they stood down. I was there, it was real.
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>nightmares
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>>154955038
snuff pm waffles and init were together. sc wanted to do a different thing, and then it became clear they were onto sc's plans, so sc stood down. and sc's fleet was about 100
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>>154955038
>SC formed 200 guys with capitals to defend a Poco
For a fucking POCO? For real?

If those 200 guys all went ratting for 20 minutes they could have replaced a few dozen pocos.
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>>154955208
how new are you m8, nobody actually cares about the money from moons or pocos. they're all just a thing to pretend to care about, so people can have blob battles
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>>154955329
>nobody actually cares about the money from moons or pocos
Since when
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>>154955208

SC has a POCO monopoly, it's how they paid off half of EVE to not shoot there keepstar.
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>>154955493
since always. you don't deploy 100 proteuses or whatever for a thing that generates the value of 1 proteus per month if you actually care about the isk
>>
>value of 1 proteus per month
Are you retarded
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>>154955529
sc did not pay anyone
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>>154955678
I thought most big null battles always happened over moneymoons/supercap construction pos's.
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Is there any good corp I can join or at least hang out with that aren't total normies? I just want friends I can talk about EVE with.
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>>154955902
supercap pos with stuff in them are valuable, a single money moon is not a huge deal
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>>154956397
More like an entire system of reinforced money moons.
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>>154956039
Everyone in all-out has some sort of mental illness
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>>154957745
>there is something wrong with having a mental illness
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>>154958395
You have a mental illness, you're in no position to judge that, faggot.
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>FC says no
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>>154958898
You probably have a mental illness too, you are in no position to judge who has a mental illness.
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>>154959039
>anon why aren't you in your target painting bellicose?
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>>154959039
so just bring a kitsune
its not like even the fc can kill you
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>>154959045
Does crippling depression count?
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>>154959231
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>>154957745
Define that here, cuz I'm down for space autism if it means I can endlessly discuss bullshit without worrying about #triggering any faggots that'l complain endlessly.
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>>154960138
Welcome home black man
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how do we get ccp to bring back the old model
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>>154960379
Who
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>so many autists assmad about the redesigns
>omg ccp pls give it back bcuz change upsets me
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fly the slicer
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>>154960650
Alternate models
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>>154961982
that would be great
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>>154961982
>fuckton of dev resources spent to please a handful of change-resistant autists
>>
>>154963476
no you're an autist
>>
>>154961982
Oh shit... Imagine if you could model swap with CCP's consent... Fuck, I would pay to have a Star Wars model pack.
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>>154964136
>yfw it would cost as much aurum as 10 skins
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>>154960650
Why? The new one is much better.
>>
>>154963476
It honestly can't be much more than SKINS. It's not as if the hitboxes are supposed to be precise.
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>20 miners pos up while I run a purity site in my frigate
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>>154964598

Cloak up after you've done the site and take a nap. If they're still pos'd up, watch porn or something and keep delaying their mining for as long as possible.
>>
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/53323t/one_year_later_a_reminder_of_how_skins_should/
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>>154965862
I feel like I could show up in a venture and mine their asteroids for a whole day and they'd still hide in their pos
>>
>>154966021

Do they even talk in local?
>>
Why the fuck aren't reddit posts autobanned. Fuck off with your shit.
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what did ccp mean by this
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>>154966356
where is this?
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>>154966356
>great pull members Lori protein until that employee antioxidants
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>>154966513
executioner
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holy shit CCP made the barges look cool wtf is this
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>>154968167
I'm jelly as fuck
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>>154968508
No shit
>>
Why if the Rorq in industrial core mode just started mega huffing a shitload of smoke. Like wtf dis nigga doing levels.
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>>154968781
dude
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>>154969147
gneiss
>>
>>154969454
lmao
>>
where's my fucking custom stargates and shieet
>>
>>154971562
They have to finish replacing all existing structure stuff first. So, probably another 2-3 years away at best.
>>
>>154971750
ffs, why bother promise us shit during fanfest, it NEVER pans out

>player built gates, lol have this nifty clip
>custom skins, have this awesome video of how everyone can have a different coloured ship
>walking in stations, lolno the autists want ships only

fucking CCP

I know you are reading this
>>
>leave eve for months
>come back in thread
>still shit

ayy lmao faggots till the end, yes? lol, stay virgins with your neat internet space toys kids.
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>>154973094
Here's your (you). Now fuck off.
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>>154973558
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>>154973927
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>>154974398

*teleports behind you and cuts you in half*
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>>154975207
Ai habs waerds sno tleepotring.
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>>154975904
>>
Who let Broski in here?
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JUST FUCKING BUY IT
BUY MY SKINS REEEEEEEEE
>>
join pasta
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>Thorax
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>>154983574
decent ship
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>Wormholes
http://imgur.com/a/BetVA
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>>154983574
There are better choices. The omen suffers from the same problems that all the less-than-great amarr ships suffer from, terrible cap life and few mids.
>>
>Assault ships
-Immune to Microwarpdrive shutdown mechanics.
-Web resistance
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>>154986909
micro mjd
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>>154986909
Meant AssFrigs
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>corp is moving from irc to discord
>discord is a literal piece of shit that doesn't even let you set notification volumes
>miss fleet pings because it's so damn quiet
>nobody knows how to fix this

Why are the tech-illiterate so obnoxious? Why can't people just learn to use a standard IRC client?
>>
>her corp does not have organic comms
>>
>>154988054
but anon, discord has memes
>>
>>154988398
i literally cannot understand these people, my autism is hitting critical mass
>>
>>154988856
sounds like a personal problem to me. Not everyone is tech savvy, and discord is easy to setup and use. It's not 2006 any more, where most internet users were fairly tech-fluent.
>>
>>154988054
I know that feel.
I even purchased mIRC for such things.
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>>154988980
But what's the point of using something that doesn't even let you set something as basic as notification volumes?

Setting up an IRC client takes a few minutes, even if you're a retard. Grab a graphical client, put in your username, password, server, and port number, and you're set.

At least with IRC you could switch around clients and have a variety of settings, even if morons couldn't set it up. Discord is slightly easier to set up, but does away with all kinds of configuration.

It's a problem with the developers. They think that what they do is the right way to do things, and that any other way is subpar. Is there any other reason why they couldn't just toss in a volume slider?

They are literally wrapping a web interface in electron, adding a slider should take a couple minutes. But no, the developers are too high and mighty to let the user make any decision at all.

To be frank, why anybody would use it is beyond me. There is no reason to give up configurability for slightly better ease of use.

Would you be OK with CCP making it impossible to change your overlay or bracket settings?
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>IRC
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>golem
>>
>shart in mart
kys
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>>154989326
Didn't CCP remove a vast amount of customisation with color schemes? And they have this beyond dumb system with the online notification.
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>>154996872
>>
>>154986909
Bad idea
>>
>>154986909

that would destroy the games current balance hierarchy. They just need to be stat boosted.
Buff them to T1 speed.
T2 resist with higher hit point amounts.

But mostly they just need tons more fitting.
>>
>>154998893
assfrigs already get 2 more fitting slots


all frigs have 10 slots as a baseline

t1 ewar/logi, droneboats 9 slots
stealth bombers, punisher, cruor, ishkur 11 slots
assfrigs 12 slots

unless you meant PG/CPU wise
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>>154999648
>unless you meant PG/CPU wise
what fucking else would he mean when referring to an assault frigate?
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>tfw you join up on a 10 man caracal roam and get ganked by a gatecamping titan
>>
>>155000254
Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Titan Bullying Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Warp Away From The Gate Like Nigga Close Your Eyes Haha
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These new models are actually pretty sexy.
They make me want to mine now.
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>>155002186
I laughed so hard I pissed myself
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>>155000254
>he can't kill one phobos with 10 caracals before the titan gets a lock

For reals faggot?
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>>155000254
>sinshisko van raynar
Ah, it's that bunch of faggots.
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>>155000254
>yfw that titan gets killed by gate guns
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>>155002582
It was more like 7 caracals and here's what happened
>on a gate
>scout says there's a phobos on the other side
>he comes through
>he locks us, we lock him, prepare to alpha
>begin taking him down, but he doesn't aggro us and is able to go through the gate
>hear from scout
>"oh wow, well, if you guys wanna see a titan come through the gate"
>everyone's collective face when
>a few people stay, waiting for FCs orders
>phobos comes back
>phobos pops warp disruption field
>thanatos drops on grid
>ragnarok pops through gate
>this_is_eve.wav
>everyone proceeds to die
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>>155002707
>guy in charge of the gate guns nervously stammers into the mic that Lennont Lemmont has foolishly engaged in criminal activity
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Your story does not hold up. That notification on screen indicates it's in lowsec. Bubbles aren't possible.

And even if it was in null just burn back to fucking gate. One guy might have died because of being pointed by the phobos.
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>his hic doesnt have bubbles in every hislot
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>>155002959
Warp disruption FIELD as in warp disruption field generator, the one that emanates from the ship
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>>155003064
Just say scripted bubble you faggot.
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>>155003064
>lowsec
>bubbles

are you retarded?
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>>155003112
listen fucker I'll use whatever term I want
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>>155003064
>>phobos pops warp disruption field
>when talking about infinitpoint
Just kill yourself my man.

Sounds like you're changing your story every five seconds. How is a scripted warp disruption field going to stop 7 caracals?

Just admit you had no idea what the fuck was going on, you panicked and got BTFO
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>>155003318
Okay, what is this?
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>>155003428
Lowsec you retard. Bubbles aren't possible and the phobos doesn't matter. A scram would've had the same effect.
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>>155003428
When they're scripted people generally call them infinite point. No one calls them bubbles or warp disruption fields unless they specifically are not scripted.
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>phobos didn't even apply damage
>could have just slowboated back to gate before titans would have been able to lock you
My siderinos.

You really have no idea what the fuck was going on.
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>>155003428
All caracals recently lost in that system are fucking garbo. WTF are you doing.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/56133654/
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>>155003697
I'm gonna be completely honest, I was a little bit shocked by my first siting of a fucking titan in the wild. FC also wanted to at least take the Phobos with us.
It's not like I'm broken up over the loss, it was incredible
>>155003813
the fleet my corp joined was running T1 frigburner shitfits for kicks. It wasn't a serious roam.
Case in point:
https://zkillboard.com/kill/56133663/
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>>155003931
There is literally no way in hell you could've "alpha a phobos" especially with shooting kinetic on a fucking gallente T2 resists.
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>>155003931
>Pilgrim Purity of the Throne SKIN (Permanent)
Wew, could at least have injected that before you died like a bitch
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>>155004206
the character is gallente
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>>155004406
...and flying an arbitrator?

What's your point
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>>155004436
I guess I don't really have one
no free mids
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>>155004594
Don't ever pvp again. Kill yourselve and all ur friends.
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>amarr
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Subject: bad move bro
From: Faggot
Sent: 2016.09.17 11:33
To: Anon,

you've just made an enemy you didn't wanna make... Be careful out there or you might end up getting raped

Faggot has added you as a contact with Terrible Standing

i will fuck you up


Guys I'm scared.
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>>155009049
>Guys I'm scared.

You linearly are, because you didn't show the names.
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>>155009503
It's a highsec bear with nothing but exploration lossmails in lowsec on his killboard.
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>Find a WH that is right in the middle of provi's prime ratting pocket
>It's small ships only
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>>154972025
Id a cospirady anon
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>>155009692
come at me faggot. i"m ratting right now
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>>155009692
Contact bombers bar or spectre fleet or something then faggot.
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>spectre fleet
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>tfw figuring out a pve battleship
>tfw everywhere its just hurr rattle
Wtf m8. I fucking hate afk faggotry. Should I just do whatever I want. Barghest looks dank and sexym
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>>155010947
Alright anon tell me. What's so bad about spectre fleet
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>bombers bar
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>What's so bad about spectre fleet
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>anyone but your own corporation/alliance
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>>155010980
spectre is full of faggots who don't know what's up and fly shit
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>>155011197
>>155011239
nice
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>>155010957
Bargest is even more afk than a rattle because it has one less wep system.
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>>155010980
>flying with reds to shoot other reds

anon
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>>155011402
>implying I have reds
Everyone's blue to me, friend.

I'll still shoot you if I feel like it though.
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>>155011783
But blues are the ones that deserve the most to be shot at. :^)
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>if you aren't member of paplinked epic lowsec peerateh bloballiance with 20 intel channel, organic comms and 20 plugins it means you are bad
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>want to pvp
>sift through all these corps and alliances for any decent ones
>sift through the decent ones to filter out the autists
>only like 2 left
>talk to their recruiter
>set up APIs and hand them over
>few days later they get back to you
>1hour long interview on comms
>third degree of "why did you kill one of our ships 5 years ago" and "it seems you have some ties to alliance x, is that true?"
>maybe get accepted
>mandatory do this, do that
>don't even get to pvp most of the time because they're ratting/shipspinning

or

>want to pvp
>join spectre fleet
>go on roam and pvp

Yes spectre fleet is relatively bad at pvp but at least I get to pvp.
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>>155012670
>yes shit tastes bad but at least I get to eat
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>>155013474
>food analogy
kys
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>>155010980

They're fine mostly, its the concept that annoys me. Seems like it goes against the core concept of eve somewhat. Instead of joining a group, holding space and fighting for a cause, spectre promotes a lobby-based deathmatch style of pvp.

>x up for random meaningless pvp dudes
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>>155013656
So you're saying only nullsec matters?
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>>155013548
protip: it's a euphemism for sucking nigger dick
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>>155013848

No. Groups living in lowsec, WH space, hell even hisec, can carve out a territory for themselves, build citadels, get better at pvp together, create a reputation, etc.

Spectre is just mindless fleets full of randoms who don't know each other 3rd partying fights between actual content creators.
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>hisec
>territory

And only the top 1% profit from sov. The rest are just renters who can't even pvp.
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>>155014517
You don't "own" highsec or lowsec territory at all. You don't have to defend shit. No one can evict you. You can just dock the fuck up and wait till they leave or the wardec expires.
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>>155015145

>You don't "own" highsec or lowsec territory at all

Try moving into snuff or shadow cartel's home system and tell me how it goes.
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>>155013656

Meaningless maybe, but it's not really lobby-based deathmatch stuff. I remember being on a small ceptor whaling fleet that eventually escalated to fighting nightmares, a super and involving 3rd parties and stuff.

Nowhere near as bad as FW which is one step down from lobby bullshit.
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>>155015334
They live there. They don't own it.
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>>155015334
They'll just dock up when my supers cyno in m8 and I can't do shit about it.
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>>155015391

>join spectre chat channel
>x up to join a fleet
>go to a random fight

That's the closest to casual lobby based pvp eve has. You don't have to join a group, don't have to do any work to find your own content, put nothing on the line except your ship, and your actions have no consequences because whoever you kill will just blame spectre as a whole.
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>>155015483

If you believe this then you really don't play this game.
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>>155015453

How about addressing my actual argument rather than hyperfocus on the fact that the game mechanics technically don't allow lowsec entities to have their alliance name on a system.
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>>155015635
And this is bad how exactly?
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>>155015818
>How about addressing my actual argument
If they get completely BTFO by an other group, they'll just dock up and wait for everything to blow over. Then they can go back to "owning" their lowsec pocket.

Gee where have I heard this situation before.
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>>155015635
>whoever you kill will just blame spectre as a whole.
Why would you give a fuck about who you kill anyway? Public fleets don't have any "omg I'm blue to this and that and this one too so I am not allowed to shoot because resons"
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>>155015821

Like I said, I feel like it goes against the spirit of eve. The game hasn't lasted 13 years by being another casual lobby pvp game.

Maybe I'm just being an autist, but I dislike the whole no consequences pvp mindset.
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>>155016161
There are no consequences in pvp. If you are part of a blue donut, thats your fucking fault.
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>>155016161
Most PvP in the fucking games has no consequences (other than losing ships, obviously)

>FW progress bar doesn't mean shit
>Any lowsec pirates camping gates are no consequence pvp
>Highsec "pvp" station huggers have no consequences
>wormhole pvp only has consequences if someone is actually trying to evict you
>even most null pvp is just lolroams
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>>155016385

No mechanical consequences maybe. But even if you can't capture space you can pass off your neighbours, maybe generate some content if they come after you and your Corp. You can build a reputation for yourself as leet pvpers if that's what you're into.

In an anonymous organisation like spectre none of that is possible, and if everyone played like spectre there'd be no fights to 3rd party.
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>>155016640
Yeah "consequences" like this one >>155009049
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>Amarr
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>Gallente
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>doctrine
>>
meems
>>
jila
>>
all guylas join my doctrine
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>>155026135
can I bring polarized guns?
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>lacheesis
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I'm new, (~ 3 mil SP) with a bunch of money to spend. And I really like the helios. What should I do with that ship?
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>>155028271
>3 mil sp
>asks about a designated exploration ship
uh, explore.
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>designated exploration ship

>implying
>>
>3m sp
>covert cyno
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>>155028501
You don't take a shit in the ship anon. It is just a covops ship.
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>>155028424
Actually it's more like 5 mil. I just wasted the early time on mining and just using EVe as a chatroom simulator

I'm trying to figure out what I want to do.
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>>155028952
One of the many rules of eve, don't mine, ever.
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1/4 training into factions.
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>>155016385
>>FW progress bar doesn't mean shit
It actually affects how much LP you get, also if your system gets taken you can't dock there

>>Any lowsec pirates camping gates are no consequence pvp
Cry about it, gates are where 90% the PVP happens because thats where ships meet

>>Highsec "pvp" station huggers have no consequences
don't play station games then if you don't like it.

>>wormhole pvp only has consequences if someone is actually trying to evict you
There is no wormhole PVP anymore because escalations got nerfed and no one wants to put in this huge risk for diddly shit money.

>>even most null pvp is just lolroams
nothing wrong with this, this is how people find fights.
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>>155012670
>shit that never happens
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>>155012670
>look for corp
>find one with funny name
>apply
>they're chill as fuck and good at pvp
>and play vidya together
>2.5 years now

git gud
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>>155029637
>There is no wormhole PVP anymore
except I still get fights in wormholes.
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>>155030263
DO THEY HAVE DANK MEMES?
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>>155030393
Yea but since escalations aren't a thing anymore, capitals in wormholes are hardly ever used. The decline of wormhole activity is directly related to the lack of capital escalations because its not worth it because the drifters are OP as shit.
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>I get fights in wormholes guys, look at this heron kill I got last week
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>Apply to a corp
>Have to buy the CEO a game from his Steam wishlist before he will even consider reading my resume
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>>155030492
>mfw insane whfag logic
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>>155030604
Kek please tell me you didn't do it.
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>>155030604
maybe you shouldn't join that corp.

>>155030621
Thats not insane logic at all. WH activity died in the last patch because CCP took a dump on the escalations and rewards associated with them. This made tons of WH communities just pick up and leave WH's because its not worth the effort anymore.
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>>155030712
that's good. wormhole pve was ridiculously too profitable. only you retards could think fixing it is somehow bad
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>>155030447
Yeah we got dank maymays
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>>155030805
>Yea its good that no one does WH anything anymore because it was too good.

>"fixing it" to the point that no one does it is good

you're fucking stupid and you've never lived in a WH
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>>155030492
>>155030621
No hes right.

We only every maybe bust out triage because HAGs suck shit and although we easily can kill the drifter it too much of a hassle most the time.
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>>155030805
>that's good. wormhole pve was ridiculously too profitable. only you retards could think fixing it is somehow bad

it was like high sec incursions, only with the possibility of being killed, and sites respawn significantly slower.
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>>155031053
This, WH's produce so little isk now, you can do literally any other higher-end PVE and get more money at less risk.

Go do Level 5 missions, Go do Level 4 missions plus burners, Go do incursions, go rat in nullsec, you'll make more money in all of those things because WH's are literally worthless now
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>>155030940
if a pve fix kills activity in wh space, it proves you guys are all autistic pve shitters. if wh space is just fag pve, why are you so concerned with keeping it active? just let it die

>>155031053
yeah except you make like 10x as much, and nobody can kill you except members of your secret wh autism club who happen to all be your allies
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>>155031179
>WH's produce so little isk now,
I still make 450m/h running dual rattles.
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>>155031282
>if a pve fix kills activity in wh space, it proves you guys are all autistic pve shitters.
Nice deflection. PVP spurred in people's home systems and in PVE sites. Thats where people fought. The capitals in the site could then be used in the ensuing combat and Wormhole PVP was extremely diverse and very dynamic because of it. Now that no one runs escalations, no one runs the sites except in single rattlesnakes, C5 and C6 space is dead, C4 space is the worst, and the only cites you can effectively do now is C2 and C3 sites in wolf rayats with confessors.

>just let it die
congrats, you have no constructive arguments so your answer to a nerf that ruined a content of WH's was "good"

>>155031350
so thats barely 225m per hour between your accounts? Thats pretty dismal when incursions make so much, level 4 burners produce 200m/ hour and level 5's produce upwards of 700m per hour.
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>>155031282
>yeah except you make like 10x as much, and nobody can kill you except members of your secret wh autism club who happen to all be your allies
You've never lived in a WH have you?
>>
There should exist reasons to meet up in space except randomly finding a ship PvEing or also roaming.

FW is a decent idea, but it doesn't succeed at keeping space active, seemingly just because there are so many systems. Finding anybody in space over at Amarr/Minmatar is absolutely low probability, not to even specify something engageable.
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>>155031602
>so thats barely 225m per hour between your accounts?
please. Its maybe 600m I dont know.

I know its 400m solo in a paladin.

considering ratting supers get 300m/h you can suck a fart out of my ass.
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>>155031856
>There should exist reasons to meet up in space except randomly finding a ship PvEing or also roaming.
Thats how most PVP is done though, on gates, in sites, or on roams. What OTHER place are you going to find PVP? On a station or citadel? Yea I guess but thats dwarfed by the other places you find it.
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>>155031856
remove local
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>>155031602
>Wormhole PVP was extrmely diverse

funny shit m8

>congrats, you have no constructive arguments so your answer to a nerf that ruined a content of WH's was "good"

it was good. wormholes are better now. instead of being full of faggots making ungodly amounts of isk, which is a bad thing by the way, they aren't. nothing of value was lost

wormhole space has always been a huge stack of broken game mechanics, making it good and not retarded seems almost impossible. it's made harder by apparently every wh resident saying the broken game mechanics are good
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>>155032172
>it was good.


>IT MADE TOO MUCH
>NERF IT
now no one does it
>GOOD

literally you.

You have no argument because you can't even justify the nerf when absolutely no one wants to do them to the point that C5 WH space went from the most popular space to the LEAST popular in less than a month.

You've never lived in a WH and you have no idea how it works, great
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>>155032172
>broken game mechanics
What broken game mechanics?
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>>155031960
The point is that the game doesn't have a rock solid foundation for finding engagements, especially for the accounts that just PLEX (not as if PVE fits should stay on field).

It would be as simple as something a little emergent. They could be dropping Gnosises and shit in space somewhere.
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>>155032448
>The point is that the game doesn't have a rock solid foundation for finding engagements,
Yea it does, most of the fights happen on gates, its easy to find fights. What are you even talking about?

>the accounts that plex
what does this have to do with finding fights?
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>>155032296
>>it was good.


>>IT MADE TOO MUCH
>>NERF IT
>now no one does it
>>GOOD

>literally you.

what, is this supposed to make me feel silly? it's true

>You have no argument

what am I supposed to be arguing? you started this by saying ccp nerfed the isk from your carebearing, so a bunch of wormhole people decided to be bitch and leave. is this your argument for why it's bad? you or some other people complaining and leaving wh space isn't some kind of proof that ccp have fucked up or anything
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>>155032654
>what, is this supposed to make me feel silly? it's true
You somehow think its GOOD that the incentive to live in high end WH space was ruined to such an extent that people don't do it at all. You think that going from having tons of good WH PVP which revolved around dynamic engagements following and intercepting between WH's, sites and other WH's themselves to absolutely NO WH activity was a good thing. You might as well remove it entirely because this is literally your justification which is completely baseless.

>nerfed the isk from the carebearing
it wasn't just a nerf to the isk, it made the sites completely pointless, the drifters are artificially difficult as fuck and theres no reason to do cap escalations because its faster to just run them in single rattlesnakes instead of multiple capital ships. Because of this sudden drop in activity, multiple WH corps and alliances move out, left WH space, PVP drops substantially, PVE drops substantially and the most active C5 sites are now the LEAST active WH sites.

You have no clue how WH's work
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>>155032654
Still waiting on those "broken gameplay mechanics" you can't seem to name
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>>155031856
I think instead of spreading FW over a billion systems, FW should be more concentrated in like one or two system fronts that each faction is fighting each other on, that are updated frequently. Then, you'd be able to not only actually find people, but get good fights, big fights, and hell CCP could even make actual warfare lore that isnt just amarr v everyone, and FW could have an actual impact
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>>155032963
>tones of good WH PVP

m8 please we all know this never existed

>NO WH activity

who fucking cares? activity is caused by players. if the players go somewhere else, they will do stuff elsewhere. I don't place some special importance on there being stuff going on in wormhole space. there's plenty of space in eve where nothing happens. there is less broken pve now, this is a good thing

>You have no clue how WHs work

the proper thing to do would be explain the bits where I'm wrong
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>>155032560
>most happen on gates
Maybe through decs. I'm not trying to take a 300DPS logi everytime I'm trying to play.
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>>155033608
>who fucking cares?
>uh uhuhuh who cares it don't matter
congrats on defending a content no one wants to do anymore. You're literally defending pointless shit and somehow if people don't want to risk for pointless endeavors and somehow they're bad and its good

>where I'm wrong
the fact that you don't know the huge consequence of how the nerf and change up happened paired with your huge dissonance on how WH's actually envelop activity
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>>155033635
>maybe through decs
no thats through every space, most combat happens on gates, sites and stations
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>>155034037
OK, well I go through plenty of gates to nothing.
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>>155034313
>it doesn't happen to me that means it doesn't happen everywhere

Theres a metric that CCP used at fanfest 2015 and some 90% of the PVP happened on gates, another 7 happened on stations and the rest is everywhere else
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>>155033065
whatever I write, the response will be

>he isn't up to date on the latest retarded wormhole exploits!
>laughing_wormhole_fedoras.jpg

capital escalations have always been a retarded broken idea. were they not initially made to prevent people from using caps to farm with?
you can potentially have infinite ships and pilots in your home system, but there's difficult limits on what people can bring in, meaning it's impossible for anything to remove you or fuck with you, that seems fairly dumb to me. the fact that wormhole fags think spending weeks jumping in ships and logging them off just to have a fight is good confuses me
every time ccp wants to do any new shit, there's always cries of 'muh wormholes!', because basically everything breaks wormholes. I found it funny when ccp made shattered wormholes, it's like they realised normal wormhole space has been a huge fuck up and so far from what they wanted, and they can't just fix it because all the whfags would cry
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>>155034413
>this is proof that there's plenty of content
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>>155034521
>capital escalations have always been a retarded broken idea.
Thats not a gameplay mechanic. Thats how capitals were integrated into sites to incentivize people to use them in the sites.

>initially made to prevent people
no they weren't, they were the incentive.

>infinite ships in your home system, but theres difficult limits on what people can bring in
yes wormholes have mass limits.

>seems dumb
its an easy way to regulate and control wormholes and how they spawn and react.

I don't see any other examples of "broken gameplay mechanics" in the rest
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>gates are plenty of reason to meet up
>but there are so many, good luck!
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>>155033816
so between people making bajillions of isk in secret farming holes where nobody can do anything about them, and people doing other things, I would prefer people to be doing other things. and you're all mad and think I'm retarded or something

>if people don't want to risk for pointless endeavors blah blah

I don't care if people don't farm in wh space, it doesn't bother me. it's a huge step up from how it was before
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>>155034643
>this is where the content usually occurs
>YEA BUT THATS NOT TO SAY HOW MUCH
it has no bearing on how much
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>>155034940
The only statistic that brings pilots together are system kills, and those are just gate camps. Good luck finding a fleet to engage a flock of Orthruses.
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>>155034921
>secret farming holes where nobody can do anything about them,
People did tons of shit about them are you daft?

>it doesn't bother me that means it doesn't matter and those people who used to do it shouldn't care!

your cognitive dissonance is overwhelming.

>I want people to do other things
literally "stop liking what I don't like"
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>>155034813
>Thats not a gameplay mechanic

don't be such an aspie, of course it is

>no they weren't, they were the incentive.

opposite of what I was told. I don't know where to find a source either way though

>yes wormholes have mass limits
>its an easy way to regulate and control wormholes and how they spawn and react

is this all you have? you have to spend forever doing dumb shit, probably 'rolling your static' (that's faggotry right there) to get access to some system you've decided you want to fuck with, and then send in a couple of ships and log them off for a week, repeat potentially forever. you think this is a good game mechanic, and you think I'm retarded or something for even bringing it up?

and the mass limit thing really encourages not having any fun fleet diversity, there's only like 10 ships you can fly. this isn't broken, but it is fucking retarded
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>>155035057
uh excuse me but orthruses travel in packs not flocks
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>>155035267
>don't be such an aspie, of course it is
You're nitpicking on something that isn't broken, its working as intended theres nothing non-functioning about it.

>opposite of what I was told
who ever told you that, they were liars and clueless at that.

>ITS DUMB
>thats how people control it and do it
>NO ITS DUMB STAAAAAP
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>>155035247
>People did tons of shit about them

no, only wormhole autists can properly fuck with other wormhole autists

>literally "stop liking what I don't like"

no, it's "stop doing this previously broken thing if you don't want to, I don't care". there is a difference. you are partly right though I don't like wormhole space
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>>155035430
>no, it's "stop doing this previously broken thing if you don't want to, I don't care". there is a difference. you are partly right though I don't like wormhole space
>broken

Its not broken, you keep spewing this nonsense and you have no tangible lead to how it was broken
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Highend Wormhole PvP was too lucrative, but we can all agree that having it lower then highsec incursions is beyond retarded.
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>>155035430
>only people good at a certain type of combat environment are going to be able to effectively kill others in said combat environment
no shit sherlock
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>>155035404
>You're nitpicking

am I? I bring up something relevant to what we're talking about, and some guy says it doesn't qualify as a game mechanic or something

I don't think anywhere else in eve you are actively encouraged to bring in capitals and make insane amounts of money compared to doing things properly with normal ships, and hugely punished for not bringing them in

>liars and clueless

I mentioned finding a source. link one if you want to convince me. post dumb shit in caps if you want me to think you're retarded

>>155035519
they made too much isk
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>>155035728
>good at a certain type of combat

it's not about being good, you aren't good in any way btw. it's about living in wormhole space
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If someone were equally trained in all 4 race's ships and wanted to train toward a DPS battleship to do Incursions with, which one would you recommend?
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>>155035762
>I mentioned finding a source. link one if you want to convince me. post dumb shit in caps if you want me to think you're retarded
If They didn't want capitals in WH sites they'd balance against it. Players adapted to what CCP incentivised them to do. And it obviously wasn't on their radar for over 6 years since inception.

>they made too much isk
>thats broken
thats not NONFUNCTIONING CHRIST
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>>155035908
Machariel
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>>155035916
>If They didn't want capitals in WH sites they'd balance against it

I don't think so. I don't think ccp even wanted pos in wormholes, but once it was full of aspies farming 23/7, ccp didn't have the balls to come along and just remove them all, because they'd get mad on reddit or whatever

>thats not NONFUNCTIONING CHRIST

really splitting hairs here friend. they made too much isk, and now they don't. this is what you're all upset about
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>being upset that people make money
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is it just this one guy, or is the entire wormhole community all triggered about this tiny game change?
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>tiny
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>>155035903
I'm not the guy you were talking to, bud. Good, livable, shit, whatever, if you bothered to read the post you'd make the distinction between combat and combat environment
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>>155036449
The entire WH community is. People flat out left WH's for good, Activity is down across the board. I'd say thats the entire community at large
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>>155036745
that's irrelevant. if you don't live in wormhole space you cannot fuck with wormhole space

>>155036757
nice, I hope there's some mad on eveo wh section or wherever they hang out
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>>155036449
As someone who has done WH's for a while, I can tell you now that most if not all big WH corps are united in solidarity against these changes. Hell, there are even efforts being made to get more people into wormholes, even if they're not really allies, just because there's no fucking wormhole content.
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what wh changes?
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>The original sleeper capital escalation mechanic introduced way back in Apocrypha was (like many of the mechanics that ended up becoming staples of wormhole space) a bit of an accident. The escalation spawns were intended to provide extra challenge to prevent the sites from being too easy when farmed with capitals, but in practice they ended up becoming the major moneymaking source in the sites.

based fozzie
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>>155036856
>if you don't live in wormhole space you cannot fuck with wormhole space
there's not some magical kind of player that can only live in wormholes. It's a specific kind of combat environment, and entities that don't do WH shit aren't going to be really be able to take on those that are. It's a sort of home turf kind of thing.
I'm not really disagreeing with you but there's no special wormhole club that is completely exclusive and inaccessible to only the most elite faggots
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>>155037183
I think it's this https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=476010

months ago btw. literally heard no complaints about it until now
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>>155037196
This is the same time that CCP was also surprised that people started moving and living in WH's which was also unintended.
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so what's with this Jove meme that CCP are trying to force?
Lets be honest here, they're trying to do something stupid with these Jove ships that they're giving everyone, right? Some event or something to re-open Jove space, or are they literally just giving out special snowflake ships for no reason
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>>155037728
It's just a gnosis.
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>>155037728
>>155037856
There is also the new destroyer from them.

I remember reading that lore wise the SoCT is becoming more important, having replaced the Jove with the collapse of their empire or something. Not really sure where it's going, I'm not a big lore guy, but it makes sense for them to be releasing ships if they're the new kid on the empire block.
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>>155037856
>It's just a gnosis.
It's a gnosis, a shuttle, and a destroyer.
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>>155038098
>a bunch of retarded neckbeard bootlickers becoming more important and replacing the based jove of slick curves and flat resists
please no
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>flat resists
>good
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>>155039932
it is good, it means you have no holes that can be exploited and you have no natural resistance on a particular weapon system
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>>155039967
>no holes
Haha what. You get a buff to the usually native hole at the expense of the other stats being shit. Absolute garbage. The only two reasons to fly that shit is #1 when you are a noob #2 gatecamping faggot.

There is literally no reason to use a gnosis when you can actually fly your racial BC maybe except the cane.
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>>155040148
>You get a buff to the usually native hole at the expense of the other stats being shit. Absolute garbage.

Other ships have resist holes, Jove ships don't This is a huge advantage because you don't have to waste specific flavor rigs or mods in plugging them. It means all you have to do is fit rigs and mods for either omniresists or max tank on buffer
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>>155040732
you don't have to plug resist holes
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>>155040823
>yea dude running around with a 0% resist to EM on a shield tank or 10% resist to explosive is great! no need to plug it
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>Simply sitting around outside a citadel automatically repairs your ship for free
>It still costs a lot to repair your ship in stations
CCP pls
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>guys guys all my resits are low but they are flat so it means i have no holes xD
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>>155040915
isk/h my friend
the amount of isk you pay is essentially the equivilant to the time you're wasting sitting around
I'm on my away device and don't have an obviously sarcastic image macro
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>>155041013
Yes when they're flat it means you have no holes
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>>155041013
>have stellar main resists
>don't matter, because your foe immediately switched to EMP after seeing Caldari on dscan
or alternatively you have medium overall resists and are able to mostly negate any factional damage advantages
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>>155040907
it's usually fine. especially with this meme that everyone plugs their resist holes
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I baited you into loading emp by flying an armor ecm drake
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>>155041261
>its totally fine to take 100% damage to my EM hole
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>>155041261
>its a meme to cover your resist hole
>no one will attempt to switch to ammo you're most weak against
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>>155041396
you're trying to make it sound like I'm saying less resists is not worse than more resists, but I'm not. fitting an invuln or eanm is usually better if you aren't flying some ultra autist full tank fit where you go full stacking penalty

>>155041514
>switch ammo during a fight

you've already won
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>>155041693
>itting an invuln or eanm is usually better if you aren't flying some ultra autist full tank fit where you go full stacking penalty
Yea but an EANM won't plug your explosive hole on a T1 armor cruiser. One EANM and a DCU only makes you go from 10% to 42.6% which is still a huge hole.

Its always better to use an explosive pump, plug your explosive hole then use an EANM to raise your resists fully than it is to use multiple EANMS

>stacking penalty
using different resist mods is better than using multiple EANMs
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>>155041693
>>switch ammo during a fight
>you've already won
switch before the fight because I saw your shit on D-scan and I'm already primed before the engagement. People rarely switch in between fights
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>42,6% is a huge hole
Stop flying T3s. Thats perfectly fine.
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>>155041904
>use an explosive pump

maybe just 1 is ok

>42.6% is still a huge hole

this is why you're retarded. you have to compare it to your other resists. 42.6% on its own is meaningless. it will be exactly as much of a resist hole as before if you're only raising all your resists by the same amount

>>155042069
primed for what? if you're primed for me having plugged the hole, you're doing worse damage than if you use just kin/therm if we're talking t1. you also might not know what type of tank I have
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>>155042159
>this low ass resist is totally fine

if you plugged your hole then used an EANM, you'd have better resists and better tank as a result.

>>155042215
>compare to other resists
Your other resists are as follows on a standard gallente resist profile for a T1 cruiser.

68.1, 58.6. 58.6 and 42.6

Compared to your other resists, you're taking 10% more damage comparatively to therm/kinetic and 25% more compared to EM.

Your hole can still be exploited because unlike having an omni resist tank your effective tank is that much less overall.

using an explosive pump levels out your resist profile and gives you 68.1, 58.6, 58.6 and 58.1. Much more flat, much more adequate.

you're taking 16% less damage now than not having the explosive pump. Which is huge
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>>155042638
>Which is huge

no, it's 16%

and let's talk about in the real game, where not everyone flies full damage selection shit boats. by fitting a 30% explosive pump, you missed out on 15% rep amount or hp vs everything
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>>155042215
>primed for what? if you're primed for me having plugged the hole,
No if your resist profile is flat, I do the same damage as I would any other.

If you didn't plug it then I have the advantage. Big difference, I can't suddenly lose damage by making a choice that I'm either going to take advantage of or receive no bonus from, AKA I'm never at a loss.

>know what type of tank I have

if you're a caracal, I'm gonna switch to EM damage because its far more likely that I'll do more damage with this than other damage types. If you plug it, then you're less susceptible to me and my damage.
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>>155042836
>I have the advantage
>I'm never at a loss

you are, because you don't know what the other guy's resists are. you can make the wrong choice

yeah a caracal is going to be shield tanked, but there's loads of ships where you just don't know. and when you start dealing with T2/T3 cancer ships, they'll be plugging bigger holes (or not) with shit like 60% active hardeners, so you can just be completely way off

>oh it's a tristan, well that's a gallente ship so it'll be armour tanked so I'll shoot explosive
>yfw it's hull tanked
>yfw it's shield tanked
>yfw it's unironically shield + armour + hull tanked

just shoot fucking thermal like everyone else. damage type selection is mostly a meme
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>>155042782
>no, it's 16%
Thats fucking huge, thats the difference between having 30k tank and having 34.8k tank. thats 4800 extra hitpoints you have. Thats a significant difference.

>lets talk about the real game

>you miss out on 15% to everything else

its more advantageous to have a prominent and fufilled defense than to just run omniresist mods like adaptive invulns and EANM's with an explicit hole.

This is why fleet comps are fitted for omni resists EVERY single time, their logi benefits, the enemy team is unlikely to have a very select damage and if they have a specific fleet comp its better to not get caught with your pants down by them potentially exploiting your resist hole.

Comparatively, omni-tank allows you to resist different fleet comps. If the enemy has a fleet of laser ships and your shield fleet didn't plug the resist hole, you're fucked. But if you did, you're more ready to engage them without that huge disadvantage
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>>155043110
>that's 4800 extra hitpoints you have. that's a significant difference

no, it's only 16%

>This is why fleet comps are fitted etc.

no, that's because we're playing tank blobs-online and everyone goes full aspie with giant resists, because logi is crazy broken
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>>155043109
>you are, because you don't know what the other guy's resists are. you can make the wrong choice
I have a very good idea

if its a Gallente T1 ship like a Vexor or thorax, its very likely that he's armor fit and his biggest weakness is in explosive. Its very UNLIKELY that explosive is his highest resist. So I plan accordingly to the probability of the situation

Same with shield ships, if its a caracal, its very likely that its shield fit and he has a weakness to EM and its very unlikely that EM is his highest resist respectively.

>T2/T3
I know the resist profiles for those too

If its T2 amarr, its Thermal at base 35%

T2 gallente is explosive

T2 caldari is EM

Minmatar T2 resist is the only one whose shield tank is pretty flat at 50,40,40,50 so using thermal kinetic is the best in that case. If its armor Minmatar T2, then explosive is his weakness
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>>155043301
>no, it's only 16%
YES YOU FUCKING RETARD AND 16% more tank in that resist is 4800 hitpoints which is SINGIFICANT

if the enemy does 400dps, thats 12 EXTRA seconds you potentially live which is huge.

>no, that's because we're playing tank blobs-online and everyone goes full aspie with giant resists, because logi is crazy broken

nice deflection. You don't even play the game and you've never been on a fleet especially when you're a cry baby about fleet sizes, crying about fucking blobs. Don't like it? then quit and go find another corp or game. There is no "fair fight" in EVE, there is just a fight.

>logi is crazy broken
no its not, you're whining because the enemy fleet came more prepared than you, deal with it.

people omni tank because they don't know what their enemy's fleet comp is until it happens
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>>155043662
>There is no "fair fight" in EVE
This is 100% tripe.
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>>155043824
>it doesn't agree with my world view that means its false!
>stop blobbing!
>omg they brought logi, fucking losers
post your loss mail you whining shitter, you don't know fuck about fleet fights and FC-ing
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>>155043443
>>T2/T3
>I know the resist profiles for those too

I already mentioned this. if they plug their weakest with a T2 active, then you are doing worse damage vs that than if you shot their second weakest

>Its very UNLIKELY that explosive is his highest resist

I think if you weigh the damage gained by shooting his very slightly lower probable explosive resist vs the chance he's meme fitted with shields, or he has an active explosive, which would make explosive worse than thermal, you'll see you're taking a foolish risk

>>155043662
16% is about the amount you'd gain to all resists/ehp if you fitted an omni thing or trimark, so if it's significant then I guess I'm still right

>Don't like it?

I don't like your posts, I do like being good at eve though

and no, it's exactly like I said. people omni tank because it's better to fit like 10 tank modules than go with much more individually powerful slot efficient mods like invulns, because literally we're playing tank blobs-online
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>>155043897
I'm not even posting about blobs online. There are fair fights.
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>>155044016
>I think if you weigh the damage gained by shooting his very slightly lower probable explosive resist vs the chance he's meme fitted with shields, or he has an active explosive, which would make explosive worse than thermal, you'll see you're taking a foolish risk
>meme

You can't even THINK of a tangible reason to NOT omni-tank your resists so you use made up buzzwords like "meme" because you're unoriginal.

>muh 16%

Omni-tank resists is better than leaving your hole wide open just to increase the tank of shit you're already strong with.

Enjoy getting your shield ships raped by lasers, enjoy getting your armor ships raped by explosive missiles, guns and more.

>MUH BLOB
cry about it, you died because the enemy fleet was better and had more numbers and they were more prepared.

>>155044184
There is no fair fight, there is only a fight

if you get into a solo fight and the enemy has better links, drugs, and implants, or a better ship then its never fair

even if you have some rare ass shit set up where you happen to both be on the truest equal footing of having equal everything, its not going to happen. Keep spewing these pipe dream idiocies
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>>155044398
M8, the potential to fly better than the other makes it fair.
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>>155011270
Don't forget you better treat and talk to everyone like if they are your co-workers.
Trigger one person and its certain ban from the game, they're the kind of people that will organize mass reporting.
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>>155044398
>tangible reason to not

because you get more overall ehp if you don't

>Omni-tank resists is better
>anon says as his t1 armour ships get melted by hybrid turrets, because he used all his slots on explosive hardeners. if only those hybrid ships and lasers could've reloaded to explosive so your slot investment wouldn't have been a waste of time

>cry about it

I'm not complaining, I'm explaining to you so you can understand. if I'm fitting to have a ridiculous gigantic tank, I can't do that by just fitting 5 invulns, because they stack. so you fit omnis along with some specific hardeners, starting with your lowest resists
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>OMG DONT OMNI TANK YOUR ARMOR SHIP
>you'll never run into a ship with explosive ammo that'll fuck up your day, just use EANMs, fuck the stacking penalty
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>>155044803
>rigs
>vexor
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>>155044751
>because you get more overall ehp if you don't
>more overall EHP
only tangible when the incoming damage is omni-damage which it rarely is when you're dealing with concentrated fleet fights like against a single type of ship. If its cerbs, its always gonna be kinetic missiles because of the bonus, if its nightmares its always gonna be nothing else than EM/Thermal. There is rarely an omni-damage platform that runs around beyond those kitchen sink fleets that have no projection and anyone brings what ever they want.

Its always better to plug your weakness than it is to bolster resists that don't need it
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>>155044803
>explosive ammo

yeah man those stabbers and ruptures are killer I literally can't stop dying to them. FC we need more explosive resists
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>>155045024
>I mean those autocannons, missiles and drones are NEVER fit with explosive ammo
>impossible!
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>>155045024
>what is a vexor with explosive drones
>what are missiles
>implying the rupture is bad for brawling
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>>155044990
>when the incoming damage is omni damage

no, it's when the incoming damage is not explosive damage, which is basically all the time

>cerbs
>nightmares

why the fuck are you advocating fitting flat resists against fleets whose damage types you can predict. and bringing up meme fleets without selectable damage types is helping me out here

>resists that don't need it

this is not a thing. more is always better. same with damage and hp, you always want more. this is about maximising efficiency

>>155045131
>>155045263
you guys missed the point so hard. I'll make it easier for you

>projectiles
>dps

>explosive drones
>dps
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>>155045438
Heres the same vexor against Republic Fleet Fusion ammo damage profile, no anti-explosive pump

Note the tank is 35.5k
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>>155045438
>projectiles
>dps

>explosive drones
>dps

yeah thats what people say until a svipul kills their shitfit vexor
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>>155045523
fucking christ forgot the pic
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>>155045652
the only vexor that'll die to a svipul is zoltan cole's, and even he's meme tanked so the resists don't matter

>>155045706
that's a pretty small drop in ehp. smaller than the gap in dps between explosive projectiles/drones and good weapons like hybrids and lasers
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>>155045706
same fit except instead of a trimark, its an explosive pump
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>>155045821
>the only vexor that'll die to a svipul is zoltan cole's, and even he's meme tanked so the resists don't matter
thats now what zkill shows since the dawn of time
svipuls are very capable of killing vexors, even with no bling
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>>155045821
I tried sentries, and they have no aim. Sorta defeats the purpose of the fit, but I could probably meme it out to like 50k.
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I'm sorry for memeing on you zoltan
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>>155046148
My KB is getting danked. I lost 2 slicers AFKing.
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>>155046460
>joined ph
is this what selling your soul looks like?
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I'm surprised memetani is still around. what does he even do?

I tried to watch his stream a minute ago and I just found it gross and embarassing
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>>155046669
I don't even. I've been to the system like twice, and the only targets coming through the area are fucking Kestrel fleets.
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>>155046839
He just goes around pretending its all planned and how this is merely not even a setback because it was all planned all along since the down of time.
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>>155045821
Heres a better example

Caracal, no rigs to plug the huge EM hole against Scorch damage patterned ammo
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>Level 3 Security mission
>Go mine this shit
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>>155047385
sure it was not a storyline mission?
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>>155047354
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>>155047487
Nope. Regular level 3 security mission. Part of some 7-part chain called New Frontiers or something.
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>>155047525
vs one T2 anti-em rig against the same patterned scorch ammo

30k vs 34.2k
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>>155045024
>halp FC, theres berserkers on me pllshelp
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>>155047586
Jesus, L3s sound like shit then
why not do L4s anon?
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>>155047964
Can't yet. Building up standings.
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>>155047525
>>155047697
>inb4 these don't count because no one uses lasers, EM drones or Mjolnir missiles
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>>155047354
>>155047525
you know, I do actually fit an explosive pump on shit like vexors, I just take issue with the reasoning about how you always must plug all resist holes all the time and always strive for as flat resists as possible, as though there's no cost in the attempt. and I think you're way exaggerating the difference it makes in these fits. 15% better vs your weakest damage is seriously not a big deal when you consider you'll be up against hybrids most of the time, and they're significantly more dangerous than explosive damage sources. it's slightly more important for EM resists than explosive resists I think with these types of ships.
a lot of the time though, you deliberately do not plug resist holes, because you're fitting such a small tank that using an entire slot or rig just for 1 damage type would be very dumb. this is why your generalisations about what one must always do or always not do trigger me
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>>155048306
>you'll be up against hybrids most of the time
except you aren't, there are other ships besides gallente blasters and hammerheads
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>>155048382
I didn't say there aren't other ships. I said they're less common and lots of them do shitty dps (minmatar)
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>Gallente
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>rupture vs maller
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>imaginary fights that never happen
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>>155052995
Implying it wouldn't be the best fight ever
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>oneirii
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holy fuck all I said was flat resists and I come back to this
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>>155054886
lel
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>>155054886
Just ur average /dog/
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I hope there are no goons itt
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>>155057456
we used to have an unironic goon, not sure if he's still around
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>>155057456
Hi.
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>>155057783
h-hi
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>>155058026
It's okay little guy, we'll only drop fifty titans on literally anything that moves if it's inside of delve!
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>>155058859
NC. here, remember that you can do that only because we allow it.
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>>155059345
We did it to you yesterday!

I heard you're deploying to fountain, any truth to that?
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>line members say the darndest things
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>>155059470
Maybe :^)
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>>155059494
>line members

PGL here, you can go suck a dick, goon.
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>>155060231
Hi Piggles! Why not deploy 200 machariels about it?
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>>155062640
nice planet shittlord, doesn't even look populated
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>>155060801
>RETURN OF THE MACH
>SPACE VIOLENCE BROUGHT IT BACK
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>>155062640
is that a raven?
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>>155063506
KENDARR IS THAT YOU
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Hey guys, scooty bean here. Horde #1 north side alliance new eden. I killed le spaic monke ama.
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>>155064160
post your favourite dog pictures
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>>155063506
>space violence
more like space cuck
omega niggers on suicide watch
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>>155064249
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>>155063614
>>155064273
>WHEN DELVE HAD TO BE WON
>SV GON' MAKE YOU RUN
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is all-out a reddit alliance
>>
>>155064923
yes
we even have our reddit flairs to redditpost
>>
>>155064923
it's a retard alliance, never mention it again
>>
>anime masters
>>
>>155064923
no
>>155065028
>>155065039
falseflaggers
>>
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>tfw pwning
>>
Wish I had a larger monitor, a better pc, and a faster internet connection.
Feels like I wouldn't be able to play this game anymore with my toaster in the coming updates
>>
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>Rookie Help
>>
That feel when banned from the Help channel
>>
>>155068083
>your face when I got a 1080, 32G DDR4 RAM and a 120GB SSD the other day
>>
>>155068153
Velator, btw
>>
>>155068275
Does it run Crysis?
>>
>>155068374
Sadly no. Can't have everything famalam.
>>
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Svipul hunter.
>>
>>155068823
>no prop mod
Woops.
>>
>>155068275
>upgrading your computer to play some f2p garbage
lmfao
>>
>she is an omega clone
>>
tfw afk till at is over
>>
Why is minmatar/amarr FW so empty?
>>
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>tfw 200m/h ratting in a nid
>>
>mfw 500m doing level 5 missions in my thanny
>>
>tfw 1b/h ERPing in Jita
>>
>>155071737
Will you be my true Sandra wolf girl tonight
>>
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>>155072270
>>
>>155072380
>red hair

I said true sansha, not blood raider
>>
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daily reminder to fucking
dicks out for harambe
train your engi skills
>>
>le hurumbur xD meemay
The reddit invasion is real
>>
>>155072958
>t. Brutor
>>
>>155073534
epic
>>
>>155073580
>t. Brutor
>>
>undocking

I hope you guys dont actually fall for this meme right?
>>
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>tethering
>>
>POS
>>
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BROSKI GTFO OF MY POCKET
>>
dumb frogposter
>>
>>155072785
>energy pulse weapons
I'm not a cuck but thanks
>>
>>155078570

Smartbombs are required for anti-drone duty when flying caps and certain subcaps.
>>
>>155078776
>not flying caps on alts
>>
>>155078863

>alts
>>
>should i get my fleet to help me with this trivial thing that literally any ship can do

>no I'll use up precious capital slots instead
>>
>>155080080
two smart son an aposle is pretty good desu
>>
>not lif
>>
>check dude in local on zkill
>wtf why is he flying 500M vexor
>its just zkill having overpriced garbo skins again
Fix this shit
>>
Which is better: Barely any resist mods (eanm+dc or invu+dc) on a carrier + fax to keep it healthy, or two carriers for more dps?
>>
>>155081275

for what
>>
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>>155081809

Not for pvp, obviously.
>>
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>Caldari
>>
>dog
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