/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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Ohayou gozaimasu, /rlg/!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's play our best today!

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>crystal plate armor on D 2

doom hounds are the gayest shit on this gay earth
is there any way to get rid of the debuff other than waiting it out?

cummies

>>154319063
Managed to escape but D:3 has the gnoll fortress thing so I'll have to skip it too. Wonderful.

>>154318939
>Caster

>>154319289
>playing a Dg
Why?

>>154318998
Cancellation works on pretty much everything, so I don't see why it wouldn't work on that.

fuck this tum tum shit get in here:

>>154319192

>>154319063
>d:2
Lel, just come back later on and clear that shit for free xp

>>154319236
no

>>154319359
fuck the tum tum? okay!

>>154318998
But it's so INTERESTING and TACTICAL

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>>154319294
>died on D 7 anyway

can't forgive this kind of incompetence

Why dont we post wins in the OP anymore? Are people just not winning their roguelikes?

>>154320327
>Are people just not winning their roguelikes?
>roguelikes
>winning

>>154318998
It's dispellable. So yara, purple breath, cancellation.
BTW yara's the best spell ever, plznerf.

>>154320327
Same reason Crawl bots stopped announcing the deaths of most uniques: this happens too often now, got no value.

someone should win mumo again

>>154320812
oh nice, didn't even know that spell existed

>>154321253
Sap, corrosion, petrification, howl, EVEN GLOW! This spell is OP as fuck.

>>154318596

What rougelike would you recommend to a girl who only played a rougelike-lite like Faster than Light?

>>154321442
Brogue or DoomRL, both are very easy to pick up.

Don't listen to the autist that will recommend DCSS, that's not a good "starter" roguelike.

>>154321442
Demon

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>>154321442
>a girl

>a
>g i r l
>i
>r
>l

Please give me attention and pussy, girl.
Also read the FAQ and What To Play in the OP.

>>154321413
wait, isn't yara supposed to be used against monsters since it also hurts a ton

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Nice lair entrance

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>>154321713
Nah. It does hurt a bit, but not that much. Getting rid of the debuffs costs way more than some measly <50 hp damage.

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>>154321759
Just stick a dildo up my ass and read
https://exhentai.org/g/907030/16b541ea0a/
https://exhentai.org/g/900993/3bfbd7442d/
https://exhentai.org/g/897400/ba2c128c1c/
https://exhentai.org/g/884711/fc95ee58df/
https://exhentai.org/g/880242/1b70498393/
https://exhentai.org/g/875612/a334028f4f/
https://exhentai.org/g/873589/da86b1ea57/
https://exhentai.org/g/858988/0b0434beb9/
https://exhentai.org/g/846292/b0b9e89f0b/
https://exhentai.org/g/822066/45ad93e7e9/
https://exhentai.org/g/796487/12a64c387b/
for example and get off while the dildo stimulates my prostate.

>>154322212
doesn't it also malmutate you?

Also what's the deal with the other thread
did they take the tumhate seriously

>>154322316
It does. That's why you use lichform.

>>154321713
seems to deal like 20dmg
whoop de doo

>>154322129
Yeah I had that once too.
Fucking bullshit.
Had to burn 2 blink scrolls I had if I recall correctly.

>>154322291
>no nezumi
>no denshin
>no peta
>no scat

pretty lame

>>154322598
I just picked the recent vanilla shits so the sensitive types wouldn't run away.

>>154322598
Peta? Why would you want PETA to protest inhumane behavior in your gookporn?

>>154322730
JK

>>154322717
The sensitive types will get pandaitis. If they actually go through to the content they deserve the real prize.

>>154321693
Oh I'm not a girl dude, I'm just asking for my girlfriend.

>>154322809
>real prize
>literal shit

>>154322905
You say that as if that's too much for you to handle.

>>154322905
https://exhentai.org/g/742590/4843007076/

>>154323140
Joke's on you, I didn't even set up the setup to get past panda.
I only fap to normie shit like traps and futa.
Pleb and proud

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>>154323159
I'm just gonna pretend you picked that as an example of the worst thing I could ever see.

>>154323309
I hope those are horses at least.

seriously, fuck hell
summoners summoning summoners summoning summoners and hell force summoning summoners and summoners
there's like 5 turns of peace after dealing with the enemies until you get hellforces screenfull of summoners again
i even have abjuration but it honestly doesn't do much.

>>154323593
>horses
e621's better for that.

>>154323706
Abjuration sucks. Use tornado instead.

>>154323593
I tried fapping to futa with horsedick, but it didn't work. Non-human dicks don't work for me.
No animal horsedicks, that's for creeps!

>>154323929
Do not reply to me ever again

>>154324092
Never fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.

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Why

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>>154324668
So you suffer.

>>154324668
just paralyze the nigger

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>>154324668
>going to a volcano as a demigod with no real crutches

>>154324735
>this screencap
Oh my fuck
Are soulstards really this autismal? That's anime fan tier bullshit

>>154324909
Oh wow I never noticed his mr was that terrible before

I even had been training a few points of evo to get my amulet of rage more reliable, time to go full heracles

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>>154323929

>posting porn
>posting gore

This isn't /b/.

>>154324668
He has baby MR. Give him a zappydoodle.

>>154325070
yeah i died to nessos a week or so back not knowing that, due to horrible luck.

>>154325160
This painting manages to cause more heatenings than photos of sluts with disgusted faces facing the camera

>>154325034
Don't know. Might be a troll. It's too much of a masterpiece to be real.
http://rgho.st/8j9TYCPST

You hear a lot about meme mail and too little about MDA
>almost as light as leather
>hard as scale mail
>provides a (niche) resistance

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FREE TROVE

>>154328910
They nerfed it, now it sucks. Before, when you could +9 it and wear ozo's over it — yes, lots of people used it. Now though? No thanks. Troll leather is better and MUCH more common.

>>154329568
I loved that one usk piety trove.

>>154329568
Free.. troves..?

>>154328910
dragon armors are all good, they're just much rarer than mememail

In the end, we can all agree that the evangelion movies make fuckall sense.

>>154330691
Yes.
But they're true anime kino.

Is um.
Shiren 5 good?

>>154331213
Shoo shoo shirenposter

>>154331342
??
I never come get but I just want to know if the game is good?
Otherwise which pokemon one on 3DS is the best one?
Only one I currently own is Holy Sorcery Saga with the Mota lolis.

>>154331553
According to one guy who is probably you, Shiren the Wanderer is very good

Can't vouch for the mystery dungeon games

>>154331679
Also if you want a roguelike on the DS and are comfortable with a bit of homebrew, try POWDER

>>154331679
Why is it me?
I never played the game.
It just has a high asking price and I want to know if it's good first.
I also enjoyed Izuna Unemployed Ninja on DS if that helps.

>>154331553
The PMD series is consistently top notch, but i haven't played the 3D one. I personally suggest playing blue rescue team first, then explorers of time/sky, and then super. The story is surprisingly engaging, its the only series that managed to make me cry over it

>>154332182
>crying over pretend animals
kek

>>154331970
No one really pays for roguelikes here since most of the good ones are free, if that gives you any pointers

There's one guy who's obsessed with Shiren the Wanderer and mentions it whenever people ask what the best roguelike is/what the best mobile roguelike is/best designed roguelike. He hasn't popped up for a while but from his shilling I gather the series is at least decent. You're probably best off not buying it or asking elsewhere

>>154332182
To expand on this, the other MD game that made it over, EOMD, is awful. You're supposed to have a party of 4, but going solo is always better. One class has a stat buff that's permanent. So you can go into dungeon, spam it, leave, repeat, and utterly break the game.

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pretty weird how hunting pigs is harder than absolutely anything else these are super fast even when wounded, rather tough, extremely rare compared to elk or stags and they actually have less meat and their hides are not as good as fur.

How about Yoda Stories?
I remember my brother showed me it when I was younger but back then everything that didn't have guns and violence was "gay" to me.

From the previous thread

>do LCS and Iron Shot have the same accuracy or is either the more accurate one?

LCS has higher accuracy. However, their damage per MP is similar.

Why don't we set up a github with a basic roguelike code and start modifying it slowly?

I want to make roguelikes great again with the help of my fellow comrades.

>>154333948
I've tried to make a fork of Crawl. Too much work. It'd basically be a full-time job and I've got one already.

>>154332284
kek all you want, the little shits really get to you after a while

>it's an ugly thing on D7 episode

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>>154335115
>it's a dargon on L1 episode

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>>154335413
save me xom

>>154333286
lcs has ~3d20 more damage and isnt resistable though

>>154335729
>Iron shot
>Resistable
Yeah, by the walls

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I wonder what does a door mimic feel when it is sealed.

>>154337183
it's like that one scene in the matrix

Already spent 4000 turns in this shithole, do i bite the bullet and go down?

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>>154339356
ha ha ha fuck me

>>154339564
Go down to Abyss 5 and post your splat toughguy

>>154339564
why do you have such shit defenses at xl 24?
you should have shatter and cblink and and haste easily below 10 (if found the books) and easily 25+AC

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>>154339963
Joke's on you i found this after just a few steps
Getting onto it was a bit harder though, i might just burn another ?blink to get the bloody rune

>>154340593
>why do you have such shit defenses at xl 24?
If you take a real good look, you can see he's wearing some faggy ass enchanted robe, not actual armor. paying attention really helps.

>>154340804
yes, but if that robe doesn't give him like 8 int and other stuff, he has no reason to wear a fucking robe at xl24 as a fucking demigod

>>154340705
>>154340804
oh he was transmuter nvm then

>>154340705
whyyoualwayslearnapportation.png

>>154340593
I have statueform for when i need AC, that shitty robe gives me 6 int and rF, plus the cloak and boots are also very good to have. Sadly no haste yet, but i'm trying to use passage of golubria while training for cblink
And besides
>Casters
>Needing defenses

Now, the million dollar question:
Is robust1 worth keeping with teleportitis?

>>154341273
There's actually a minor meme about "caster" being a meaningless distinction

You should get defenses and a weapon no matter what you do, trying to do a "pure" glass cannon caster is gimping yourself

>>154341589
if you have to ask, no

>>154341273
there is exactly one reason to be a "caster" and it involves winning the game before turn 88000

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I'm just gonna post this so you all can have a good laugh, i'm going to bed. Should've quit while i was ahead
This is completely ownfault, an eye of draining sucked me dry and i did not have any magic pots left

>>154342478
How can you get to extended so reliably and still splat every single character so hard?

>>154342478
dont feel so bad, i just splatted a 12-rune demigod earlier today to even dumber shit (died to a iron giant's iron shot in Hell after not using my HW for like 6 turns or drinking magic to cblink)
playing past 1am and being bored makes you fault like never before

>>154342540
getting to extended is the easy part with many of the race/class combos, especially demigods.
trying to go through the extensive cesspool of dcss postend that has little to no variation between level just makes your brain activity plummet to braindead-level so you fault like 10turns in a row and die, cause otherwise it is impossible to die.

>>154342540
I find that every time i start to feel even a little powerful is where i get destroyed. Basically as soon as i stop playing optimally™
>>154342837
Don't worry anon, it would've shot you after the first HW anyway. And here it's more like 4:40am, but yeah

>>154342478
>Corr (-20)
>-10 mace
>4 scrolls of blinking
Really

>shatter is online
>51 int
>doesn't grind at all in ziggurat

>>154343052
>cause otherwise it is impossible to die.
or actually it is possible to die if you're playing challenge classes like felid or low-hp races like spriggans but even those splats would come mostly due to shitty skilling choices

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>>154343087
>Don't worry anon, it would've shot you after the first HW anyway.
no i literally let it hit me down to like 80hp, then entered the portal to vestibute, walked for 3 turns away from it and then it shot me dead for 20+ damage when i was at 17 hp

>>154343212
>Blink away
>Get shot and die
Healing was my only chance, as you can see i got shafted for very little
And i have bad experiences with ziggs, i'd rather be overprepared than splat because i didn't correctly gauge my power

What is with the OOD spawn rate in trunk? Seems like I'm constantly getting shit way out of depth now. isn't this supposed to be rare?

>>154344310
OoD has been out of whack and getting worse since 0.17. It's now a part of the game, you can safely expect that there will be at least one monster capable of fucking you 11 ways to sunday with its pinky finger before Lair

>>154332943
boars are not pigs

to hunt boars IRL you'd have a whole team of dudes with hunting dogs and specially-designed boar spears to stab it in the face while it charges at you

>>154344310
>>154344560
i usually hate everything in the new versions but honestly, the OOD spawns are a fun addition. it teaches people to walk away and use the other stairs.
>>154343892
he means you faulted when you got to -8+ corrosion with ?blinking and knowing where stairs were, while continuing to melee the jelly

>>154335729
do you even know what resistable means

>cast hibernation on a worm with 48% chance
>after 15 tries, it has still failed every single time

>>154345071
There's only a 52% chance of that happening!

>>154345071
Most probably it worked first time, then it woke up and you didn't notice. Then the worm got temporary immunity.

>>154345310
they can't wake up the same turn nope.
stuff like that happened to me with 10+ casts of confuse with 50-70% chance multiple times when playing SpEn

>>154343892
monster ai in crawl is stupid

it just has a X% chance to use its spit each turn, and being at 1hp won't make it any more interested in actually using it

so as long as it failed that X% check one time you would be able to blink away and live

>>154345673
I used to doublepress the button accidentally. Found out what had actually happened by reviewing the log.

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Did I get into the poschengband neighbourhood?

The messages for a monster passing the MR check and for being immune because they already woke up are different.

But for some reason the spell targeter still lets you aim it at the immune monster, even though IIRC it will complain if you try to cast the spell with ONLY immune stuff in los

>>154346485
not until the boggarts start summoning more boggarts

unfortunately in DCSS you can fuck up the whole chain reaction just by killing the original boggart, which will cause all the shadow creatures to go poof

>>154346620
Well when you are in the spell targetting mode you can put it on any open/actor-occupied space.
You can use Z to bypass the "nooo you can't" whining in any situation.

>>154345310
Nope. I checked, It just failed every time. Although 2 of those were miscasts.

Is kiku a good choice for my Human Enchanter? I'm thinking shift towards longswords/necromancy when hexes stop working. Or is there better choices? Dith sounds cool but hes never been all that great when I tried him.

>it's the Lair 8 "swamp" vault

God, this is the exemplary example of bad design. Is there anyone in the entire world who likes this vault?

>>154347694
>the exemplary example
Ah, just started at the department of redundancy department for your co-op semester?

>>154347694
>Lair: 8
What did he mean by this?

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Should I put my scrolls of enchantment on the Speed Sword of the War Axe?

>>154346943
I'd probably take Oka, Chei, Ru, Gozag or Zin. Lots of gods go well with En.

>>154346943
if you haven't already started on a weapon skill I would probably go for M&F (to have an easier time finding a weapon to painbrand) or polearms (to reach over zombos)

>>154349180
Fuck you for making me want to play brogue again.
Also I really like the 19 weapons, but runics are too fun to pass up playing with.

>>154349601
Well, I wasn't able to use any of my scrolls because I decided to use-ID a scroll of discord and got myself killed by my allies.

>Banished to the abyss
>Wander around for 100 turns
>Stumble upon the rune on Abyss:1
>Right after I grab it a gateway out appears beneath my feet

What an easy game. The only downside is Oka gifted me something in the abyss and I didn't notice until afterwards.

>>154350375
Anon you're terrible.

>>154350438
go back and get it m8
don't want to make oka mad

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>>154341731

AC and EV are bloat

>>154351695
they're bloat if you're going necro or tmut, yeah

>>154351927

You mean lichform or whatever? I don't have those. You don't need them and they're just a waste of spell space

>>154352046
Nah, death's door and Brog and haunt

>>154352636

Those are the same, even more waste of spell space.

>Anon can't win the game with just iron shot and blink
What a shitter.

>anon can't win the game with just zap and Rmsl
What a shitter.

>anon can't win the game with just a stack of 50 tomahawks and a cursed -2 short sword

>>154353136

>using spells at all

a shitter indeed

>Anon can't win the game with just his fists and a +0 buckler
The pharaoh has seen your sins, and he is punishing you

>>154353502
HALFLING PRIDE
DUNGEON WIDE

>got to D15 with just mephitic and ignite poison because no decent conjuration books, but emperor scorps stopped me in spider, and a welcoming party on shoals 1 is eager to rip my asshole out

Guess it's time for elf

>>154354262

Who are you worshiping? Okawaru?

http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/#watch-rlgrobin
What kinda character do I kill lads?

>>154354386
I'm a demigod wizard, nigga. This game has been very generous with weapons and armor and trash for books.

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Hope I don't splat

>>154355313

>wizard

you sure love being a faultmaster huh

In CDDA I welded a storage battery to the electric motor, that should be it, right?

But when I try to refill the battery with regular batteries, it doesn't work??? Did they fuck this up too?

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What if Xom sent you here as a FoCk? I can only think of banishing yourself to the Abyss but can Formicids even do that?

>>154357441
you'd be pretty focked

>>154357441
They accounted for that, the vault can't get created if you're a Formicid.

>>154357502

that's such a hack this is the best Depth floor one can get

>>154322291
Can i stick my dick up your ass while we play roguelikes?

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What.

>>154357293
they removed that because it was stupid and didn't make any sense

>>154357441
i don't think xom can teleport formicids?

you can definitely get shafted into there as one though, there was a pic of that posted a while ago

>>154359954
>muh mersion
>gotta have ten steps to a simple action

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>>154358827

That's what you say when you see something good

>>154360034
you have accurately described cdda, yes

now go realistically wash some realistic laundry

>>154360023
Xom can and will teleport and fuck up formicids in every way he does with every other race, except berserking.

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I really should stop doing dumb stuff during orb run

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If orb of destruction is ever removed for gameplay reasons, there will be hell to pay.

>>154362014
i hope you splatted

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Hmph, nothing personnel kid

>>154364740
amuletswapping savescummer detected

>>154333090
But Yoda Stories had both guns and violence.

How can I play as Dio Brando in DCSS?

>>154367156
VpGl of Usk/Hep/Dis

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Since when does being near a Hydra make my everything fail 100% of the time

>>154364740
if you ever feel like not being in range of a lucky firestorm, try using some of those consumables you have laying around

Someone play OpTm on rlgrobin, I want to know how do you survive early game phase.

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>tfw lost a character in ToME 4 by fatfingering a useless spell instead of teleport

>>154369782
Spider Form before Lair, Ice Form in Lair, spam Sticks to Snakes; once you get those forms castable, train Fighting+ UC* Dodging+.

>>154367354

>using consumables

But anon, that is cheating! Look at Cerebov, he only has a CereHaste, CereStorm and Sword to fight me, I should respond the same except !resist because rF1.

>Try to play brogue online
>Incredible 5 seconds lag

This is unplayable.

>>154370880
>Not having rF+++++++ by the time you get to extended
Shit RNG son

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>>154371025

You don't really need more than a single pip of resist for extended though as long as you're not fighting either Antaeus or Cerebov.

>>154370241

I'll worship Hep instead of Chei, inability to run away on OpTm early game is too much.

>>154372663
>Not training stealth

>>154372817

>training stealth at all
>as an otabber

lmaoing at ur life

>>154369782
I could do it if its dire need, im not the best Tm but i can manage it

>>154372663
>inability to run
>chei

does not compute

Completely unrelated, but what do you guys use for downloading torrents? Last time i checked a lot of clients turned out to be honey pots or installed bitcoin miners on your machine

>>154373585
Just do it, make sure to post the link so I can watch.

>>154374178
uTorrent 2.2.1
Why don't you just check the /g/ wiki?

now playing android weaponsmith at 20 something level and don't really know where to grind

>>154374393
Sure, here you go, OpTm
http://crawl.lantea.net:8080/#watch-rlgrobin

>>154374178
I use deluge

>>154374465
Because i trust people more than webpages

>>154374178
>what software?
Google /g/ wiki. It's called install gentoo or some such. Good recommendations. I use qBit.

>>154375196
Webpages are made by people.
The posts you are reading are on a webpage.

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>>154374525
>weaponsmith
>not a rune knight

You fucked up, son.

>>154374178
qbittorrent

I'm pretty new to the genre, how casual/hardcore is tome4 compared to other roguelikes? I'm getting my shit pushed in but I'm enjoying it and I feel like I can actually slowly make progress where as playing nethack was like beating my head against a brick wall of dying over and over and over again in the first 10 floors.

>>154375506
Yeah, android rune knight are da best, i know. Borderline cheat mode, that's why i wanted to try something else.

>>154375689
Should've gone mauler then, Weaponsmiths are shit.

>>154375617
It can be very difficult with the proper settings, but it's a stupid kind of difficulty. Honestly, I'd recommend something like Crawl or Brogue or Norrendrin if you've been having trouble with Nethack. Each of those simplify the game a great deal and make it more of a tactical game rather than a trial-and-error simulator. ToME4 is a decent game but it's very different from most other roguelikes and it might teach you some bad habits if you don't have a solid grounding in the genre first.

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>>154375617
Remember to play roguelike mode or you can't post about it here.
Also no one really cares about normal difficulty since it's piss-easy.
Anyway, it's a borderline-roguelike and pretty shit.

>>154375617
tome is pretty easy if you know what you're doing up until some specific endgame areas that are absolute cancerous rng bullshit
don't play nethack, its fucking rng trash too
stay away from ultra casual ones like delver too

>>154375889
>i will absolutely not let you play the games I don't like
DCSS audience

>>154375712
damn, too bad, concept of improving my stuff and that essence thing looked really neat.

>>154375969
In theory you can do neat things like slap +12% life on your armor or +10 con on your +10 speed boots or a hat of genji or whatever, but actually finding good non-artefacts and enough essence to do cool things is difficult.

Enchanting your stuff up to +20 isn't bad either.

>>154345071
What are the odds!

No seriously, what are the odds?

Let's pretend the chance is 50% so it's as if you tossed a coin 15 (fifteen) times and always got tails. So the chance is 1 in 2^15, or 1 in 32768.

You are pretty damn unlucky!

What would you acquire as a spriggan artificer of Gozag? As i understand it, spriggans shouldn't acquire armor? I'm severely lacking a good weapon.

>>154374393
>>154374554
Im done, as you saw im not that great, but you get the general idea i guess, hope i helped somehow even tho im not that great or anything

>>154374178
deluge is the only good answer

>>154374525
I hope you're playing the new elliposchengmpaband.

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I can into Atheism now

http://pastebin.com/vaWTthCq

>>154377678
I'm playing latest poschengband

>>154377869
Elliposchengmpaband is also 5.0 but with some additions by elliptic and marvinPA. One of the additions lets you calculate how much a certain piece of gear will add to your construction score as an android, which is super useful.
There's a link in the old thread of a compiled windows version if you want to check it out.

>>154378024
>nobody will ever say that to you in real life

Am I the only one who prefers snake to spider? Getting spider with no digging/disintegration is my worst nightmare. It's like all the enmies there are designed to be as incredibly annoying as possible

>>154378104
looks like you're having a pretty shitty life, my man

have you tried rerolling?

>>154377476
Yet the chance of his next cast succeeding is still 48%

>>154377619
Yeah, I watched when you're mangled by the hydra.
It's not that you're not great, it's just that OpTm^Chei is fucking garbage and Chei doesn't help at all during early game.

Someone said it's better to use a better god early Ely and switch to Chei later when you're strong enough.
No penalty and at least you can heal yourself during that time.

>>154378314

Spider is doable without rpois and relec though. Not like it's not the same to Snake but that's mostly because the Nagas spitting/enhancing poison are either hard to kill or surrounded by tanks while it's the complete opposite in Spiders except for the occasional Ghost Moths double turning you.

>>154378490
yes
that is indeed how chances work

>>154378558
I'd trade that away if it means I don't have to deal with orb spider

Jesus christ who in his right mind designed that thing

>>154378518
Yeah i know it isnt that great early on since it doesnt help much, but i hate abandoning gods because autism pretty much
Other than that, it would be wise to go with ely and switch to chei after lair/dungeon cleared and you get some items

>>154375889
>nethack
>rng trash
>The game where everything needed to win the game is always generated

>>154378719
Orb spiders are the only fun thing left in a 3rune, fuck you

>you pound the tum like a gong!!!

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>>154378719

>>154379142
>fun
>standing in a corner plinking them at range ad infinitum or getting endlessly kited if you try to take them on melee

>>154378719

Whaaat? Are you still a new to Crawl or something? Those things are actually the least of your worries.

>>154378719
>not reflecting the orb back to them
>not blowing their shit up
???

>>154379343
It is possible to melee them easy, especially with like a trident or something

>>154377561
wand or weapon (quickblade)

>armor
you don't want to wear heavier armor, so armor acq is definitely out.

>>154379426
Literally just having rpois and decent ac neuters the bulk of spider's monsters. You're left with spark wasps, orb spiders, entropy weavers, demonic crawlers, emperor scorpions and tarantellas. I've never been on a situation where a demonic crawler is dangerous at all, spark wasps and emperor scorpions practically never generate outside of the end vault, entropy weavers can be trivialized by a LoS break and tarantellas are squishy as fuck

>>154379781
>neuters the bulk of spider's monsters
>Wolf spiders and redbacks
>Bulk

>>154379781

>squishy as fuck

So that's like, 95% of Spider's population huh except Emperors and some kind of freexp crawler that's color black whose name I can't remember because they don't do anything

>>154379998
Yes, most of the monsters you're going to see in spider are redbacks, wolf spiders and tarantellas. The ones who don't turn into popcorn by slapping rpois or who aren't popcorn on the first place on are very rare by comparison

Also forgot jumping spiders, but those are a non-issue as well

>>154380082
Tarantellas are the second squishiest thing on Spider, after redbacks. And there are a lot more redbacks than tarantellas

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>>154377727
Well done m8.

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One of the dumbest splat I've seen today.
His shadow step failed to kill orc warlord and he quaffed berserk potion afterwards with 3 AC.

The end result is clear.

>>154381331
that's a hell of a fault

>>154318998
Cancellation may work, but it's way easier to just prevent him from howling in the first place. Zap the hound with a wand of paralysis or confusion. They have no MR to speak of, so you have a decent chance even with negligible Evocations training.

>>154347940
He's playing 0.18 instead of trunk. Some people really do prefer the stable version.

>>154350438
>finding rune on Abyss:1
What version are you playing? Ever since I started, the rune doesn't spawn until you hit Abyss:3 or deeper.

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>>154370971
Which server are you using?

Also, thanks for letting me know that online Brogue is now a thing; I'll have to try it after finishing my current DCSS run.

>Hit for a 50 DAMAGE hellfire

What the fuck

>>154379781
You forgot ghost moths. I usually run into at least one or two of them in Spider:4, earlier if I'm unlucky. They're right bastards if you can't see (or go) invisible.

>>154321413
Nice trick, I don't know that you can use Yara to clear debuff on yourself.

Howl is free exp if you have Tornado, but I fucking hate Tzitzimitl's Dispel Undead
Corrosion, I rarely get lich form book before Slime Pit.
Sap magic, petrification (irresistible hell effect) are fucking annoying.

I remember that I skipped a zig level because I'm badly sapped.

>>154383369
That's only slightly above average, what are you on about?

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My 2 cents on spider

>>154379781
>spark wasps and emperor scorpions practically never generate outside of the end vault
>practically never
i wish

>entropy weavers can be trivialized by a LoS break
except they're fast so they'll catch up and if you don't pack some serious firepower, without rCorr you'll be down to -20 and below before you kill them

>>154370971
The 5 seconds lag isn't that bad, really. I'm at D13 right now and it hasn't put me in a difficult situation yet. ('Lunar' in case anyone wants to watch.)

>>154377727
>G) amulet of faith (curse) {GodsAreBloat}
Made me laugh.

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>>154383994
ballsballsballsballsballsballsballsballsballsballsballsballsballsballsballsballsballsballs

For some reason I can't run infra arcana on linux even though I'm using the linux version. Anyone else get it to work on linux?

>Transmuter is one of the hardest starting background
>Octopode is the second most hard race to play
>People reccommend OpTm
I mean, i get that they synergize pretty well, with the increased forms AC and 8 rings that don't meld, but it looks more like a late-game fantasy rather than an "easy-mode" Octopode.
Hell, it makes octopodes early game even more of an hell, and the early game is the hardest part of DCSS.

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Would you wear the last ring from this shop? Is slay+6 and dex+5 worth getting confused from time to time?

>>154386024
Early game transmuter is really easy, actually. Spider form is incredibly powerful at lower level. The only thing that you would need to worry about is killer bees, and you can either get ice form before D7 or use lignification.

>>154386024

You say all that but you don't need to reach late game to get 8 rings or a randart ring.

>>154386024
Use spiderform. It's awesome. Use snek. They're even more awesome. DON'T train unarmed at start, the returns of transmutation, dodging and a bit of stealth are much greater.

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Today i'm finally going to beat this shit.

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>Free reflective Troll
>Fall down a pit trap the next turn
>See this
Explosive allies. Right. TOTALLY a thing I want fighting by my side. Thanks, game.
If there was a way to give allies order, I'd keep it, maybe. Well, I could free it and eventually entrance it, move it next to my enemies, and firebolt it... if it were anything else. But I sure don't want a now-angry, low-health, burning Dar fucking blinking next to me to explode in my face.

>>154386461
The *corrode is worse than the *confuse, but fuck yes
And that amulet on F is amazing as well

>>154386024
You trade at least +15 AC from body armor for 8 rings, it's not worth it because even a sling bullet from goblin will taste like yaktaur captain's arrow.

Player typically will fill ring slots with bunch of defensive rings (rF, rC+, rN+, MP+9, wizardry, EV, dex, int, etc).
It's not that great because even with 2 rings slots, you can change resistance on the fly, or drink potion of resistance.

>>154386461
*Corrode and *Confuse rings should be thrown to lava.

>>154387643
That's why you go statueform/dragonform/ozo's. Before that you have 40+ EV in spiderform.

>>154387572
That amulet is not very useful for me since i already have plenty of magic resistance and no use for regen mp or int. rn is good, but i would rather have guardian spirit.
>>154387643
>*Corrode and *Confuse rings should be thrown to lava.
Maybe, but as a spriggan with a quickblade slaying is so incredibly tempting for me. And dex too.
>You trade at least +15 AC from body armor for 8 rings
A transmuter doesn't trade anything since body armor gets melded when you transform, unlike rings.

>>154384448
Fuck, nice one

>>154383994
>He didn't recharge paralyze to avoid this nightmare

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That's a decent pickup.

>>154386461
What i would get from the shop is, and im saying this without your knowledge of any rings and background and race almost, since sInv is grey, b, e, f, g, j, l
I wouldnt get m because im not sure if rCorr stops corrosion from rings in that way like it does from jellies, confuse aint something to worry about too much since it doesnt proc that often
Also the stuff i named to buy varies on your background and race and which items you have already, so buy suitable to your needs and weaknesses

>>154388571
>decent
Nigga, thats a 5rune right there

>>154386461

I won't because the only useful thing in that ring is MP+9

>>154388249
Only some forms meld all your armor and you only really need blade hands, which doesn't

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really makes you think

>>154382963
>gif
Holy shit, saved.
(...really though, by the time you get to D10 you should have ways to deal with Ogres, or at least a few potions to chuck at them. Wraiths are just nastier Ogres.)

>>154378719
I don't play Crawl but orb spiders kinda make me want to, they sound like the rare kind of monster that's fun to fight.

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I been using these weapons and gear pretty much since the beginning. I'm a human enchanter of kiku. I just reached max piety, but i'm not sure if I should go for pain yet or wait and see if I find a quickblade some time later. I just finished clearing lair until I found my 2 branches, now i'm about to do Orc.

Even though pain is nice, this vamp on my weapon has saved my ass many times.

Please advise me, oh wise ones.

>>154389592
You should modify your rc file so you must press enter when your flight is about to expire.

>>154388587
Thanks for advice, it's spriggan artificer. Though i REALLY don't have free inventory space for additional rings.
>>154389194
You don't *need* blade hands. It's just a spell powerful enough to carry you through the game. But dragon form is a lot more powerful, gives you GDR and flight and with ozocubu's armor and/or AC rings it's not squishy at all.

>>154390280

vamp is always shit on short blades with one sole exception

>>154390280
Never mind, I splatted. Fucking fuck. I underestimated an etins ability to 1 hit KO me.

>>154389592

What is /digging?

>inb4 but I have no /digging!

What is waiting?

>>154389592
>evoking flight with low evo
FAULT
Besides, should have just digged from the back side, you would face an obsidian statue and theres some loot there, its decent i guess

>>154390474
>SpAr
Yeah, i figured youre a Sp or Fo mostlikely
And no space for rings? You always have space for rings, most jewellery is situational

>>154391162
I had 15 evo.

>>154390474
Dragon form also is a xp sink and has shit defenses unless you're an octopode. It's fun but not practical

>>154391371
How did your flight time end so fast then?

>>154389592

Just a word of advice in terms of hell effects, be careful when flying over Cocytus' deep waters. There's a hell effect that cancels all of your enchantments reducing its duration to 1 turn or 2 before expiry. Nearly splatted to it and would surely splat if I got the wrong map of Cocytus:7.

>>154391489
Low dice roll? How does the formula work?

>>154391467
Not that much of an XP sink. You only need 16 transmutation. With that you also get irradiate, which is very powerful, hydra form to get rid off all your food problems and yara's violent unravelling for late game buffing mobs. You can do 25 AC 27 GDR just with ozocubu's armor.

>>154391916

>GDR

you wikitavernshitters need to fuck off

>>154392214
The tavern is actually better than this place for advice because you can tell if it's MisterLister or elliptic giving you tips

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Looks like One Way Heroics is getting a sequel and you can play as the Ultimate Student from Danganronpa.

>>154378314
Spider is dangerous over time (monster spawn rate is ridiculous and they all know exactly where you are), Snake is dangerous all at once (guardian serpents+tele other).

>>154382583
Not him, but it appeared in an angel vault for me.

>>154392832
not a roguelike

>>154392832
Wrong thread?

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>>154391280
>You always have space for rings
Not when you have to carry wands and rods in addition for scrolls and potions.

>>154393217
>>154393331

Always seen One Way Heroics discussed here so what's the problem?

>>154394054

http://pastebin.com/SgMJ7Xwh

It's also listed in the pasta.

>>154393824
The scrolls and pots you dont need drop them in lair or orc, on :1, same for equipment you might use some day as well
Learn inventory management, please anon
You can easily drop like 4 rods, the shitty G&G, scroll of immo and holy word, as well as silence, drop ambrosia and cute mut pot.. Thast like 8 slots right there atleast

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>>154394054
>Always seen One Way Heroics discussed here

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>>154394054
Beat it! Scram! Get >>>/out/ , you rascal!

>>154394490

Sorry, it's in the pasta so take your autism elsewhere.

>>154394054
OWH is a roguelike, has always been, and has been discussed here as well.
these seem to be some faggots trying to force the "not a roguelike" meme on a game they probably haven't even played/ever seen, because of your pic

>>154394490
>N'wah

Good times.

>>154394198
>Dropping silence and holy word
After getting killed so many times in the late game by demon hordes and unique casters i will never leave those.
>Dropping rods
Wut? They are, like, main ways to destroy difficult enemies for me. I'm an artificer after all.
Immolation is pretty useful, too. I guess can drop G&G and brilliance and leave enchant weapon and armor in my vault near the vaults (though i will need space for those anyway when i'll find more in the future).

Is there any resource on parsing PCB score.raw data? Particularly the race and class ids, since i don't wanna go source browsing through each and every race/class/monster file for those...

>>154380082
i think demonic crawlers only exist to make spens sad
well spens are still sp... i guess it's to make vpens sad

they have good MR, sinv, OK enough AC+resistances to ignore a qblade of elec...

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The joys of spen

This was ensorcelled hibernation at 41%

>>154392426

>I'm too mentally challenged to decipher which among these numerous advice are correct from people I don't know at all so I will rely on someone with 10000 posts a.k.a greatplayer for good advice

>>154395085
>After getting killed so many times in the late game by demon hordes and unique casters i will never leave those.
so ytou go back and pick them up before entering lategame areas with undead threats like depths/vaults
you don't need them NOW, and they'll still be here when you come back

for the same reason i usually drop cmut. malmuts are rare enough that they're not worth the inventory slot until you're about to enter Zot

>>154395729
>0.6 movedelay
>somehow in melee range of 3 enemies
anon
what the h*ck anon

>>154395542
what raw data is that? i've never heard of it...

>>154395758
The only reason you would ask for advice is that you don't know what to do, anon. Are you stupid?

About greaterplayers:
>greaterplayer[1/3]: Players who have won every currently available to play race and class. Lifetime membership once you get in!
So no, you're just butthurt at a bunch of people you don't know

>>154392426
>The tavern is actually better than this place for advice because you can tell if it's MisterLister or elliptic giving you tips

If you want to really git gud, just get the morgue files and recordings of top players and look at what they do.

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>>154396108
The one in PCB/lib/apex/score.raw.
I think it's the only way to get the high score data out of PCB?
It should be the same for for every *band, but I couldn't find the ids of the races/classes that PCB adds in.

Why doesn't Crawl let you intentionally turn yourself into a shroom?

>>154396496
You could just ask them on person since a lot of them frequent the tavern

It's not mutually exclusive

>>154396539
>The one in PCB/lib/apex/score.raw.
oh that one.
No idea.

>>154396620
But you can. If you get the "that would be overly suicidal" then you just have to edit your RC file. It's a precaution so you don't aim wands at yourself or walk into lava.

Oh wait sorry I was supposed to say something like "that'd be too nethacky"

>>154395085
You drop scrolls/items/pots you dont need AT THAT POINT, like youre in slime pits, you dont need either of those scrolls, after youre done, you go back to your stash of items and pick them up and continue
>rods are powerful
Yes, but you dont need 2 shadow ones and elev and fire one.. Also slowing wand is usually useless as fuck and should drop it instantly, as well as enslavement

>>154396262

see >>154395758

>>154397105
>as well as enslavement
now I know you're memeing.

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>>154395542
>>154396539
Well nvm, I found it all in one place in src/defines.h.

>>154397173
That's not an argument, that's butthurt

If you're always capable of picking between bad and good advice, you don't need to ask for advice at all. That post is just a string of childish incoherent rage at absolutely nothing except maybe the implication that someone could use a website different to 4chan or that people somewhere are better than him at something

>>154390713
the unrand vampire's tooth is still shit though

unless you meant your exception was "bloodless vpen using vampstabs to heal because 0regen"

Is 28 SH with Reflection and a +6 flaming double sword better or worse than 0 SH with the amulet of Vitality and a +4 elec triple sword?

>>154397758

Why would you think would I even imply that a 4 base damage """"""lifesteal""""""" is worth anyone's time? There's a big game out of it

>>154397382
Im not, in depths and beyond, its pretty much useless

>>154398285
Elec on a slow and heavy weapon is not much better than other elemental brands

Triple swords need a lot of investment and double swords are more than good enough to win. If you already have that much in shields, use the double sword

>>154398285
What lbl skill do you have, what's your apt, and how much do you need skill experience for the next few levels?
Most of the time I would say the double sword, but a lot of really good players swear by two-handers. At the very least, both options are very viable, and won't kill you instantly.

>>154398559
>>154398556
I'm swinging for 0.7-0.8 AUT with the double sword and 0.8-0.9 with the triple sword. I'm a XL23 MiBe with 21.3 long blades and 18.3 shields.

>>154398724
>18 shields
Double sword. If you didn't have shields, that investment would have put you at almost the trisword's mindelay, but like that the double sword is definitely better

>>154398724
you should train longblades a bit more to get mindelay with your 2sword

if you've already invested in shields just stick to them, don't bother trying to train higher skills for a 3sword

>>154398724
>>154399298
wait what
>.8 delay 2sword
>21 longblade skill
you should have hit 0.7 delay at 16 skill then you shouldn't have raised the skill any higher

>>154399439
Probably has a large shield or did they remove the delay penalty from that?

>>154399890
>>154399439
I do have a large shield.

>>154399978
well you wasted huge amounts of xp getting 5 levels of longblades you didn't need, but i'd just stick to sword and board

oh god everything feels so good

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gg

>>154400761
>3 int
Everytime

can I swap places with peaceful npcs in UnNetHack like I can with my pet blocking my way in a corridor?
those fucking dwarves just won't let me through the corridor in the mines, I fucking must explore