/eog/ - EVE Online General

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best frigate

Daily reminder that the moros has nothing over the nag

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Best frigate

>>153773865
Hull tank, cheapest suicide dread

>>153773865
Well when you warp to a stick at 30 the moros land at 30 the nags land at 50.

>>153773938
are those meta launchers

>>153773942
All dreads have the same cost to build

The nag is better than the moros in virtually every statistic

>>153774029
Skin covers guns.

>>153773938
It's nothing without links

>>153773835
That's not the Atron.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=suspect+baiting+mattp

>>153774082
Rev's cost more to build

>>153774104
I guess they just don't have a large skinned area, they look like shit

>he needs links to compensate for his noskill

>>153773996
The nag has more optimal range and falloff the same dps and selectable damage meaning it's gonna outpace the moros in dps even moreso

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>Amarr

>>153774225
No they have the same build costs in monerals

Even then the nag is better than the moros in every way

>>153774414
http://evepraisal.com/e/12527984
http://evepraisal.com/e/12527991

same build cost?

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>putting a price on free monerals

>>153774501
>minerals

>>153774501
He said minerals jackass

Even then we're talking about the nag and moros, not the rev

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>EE constantly begs SC to save them and vice versa
>Gets mad when they get counter blobbed

How pathetic can lowshitters get.

What's the highest DPS T1 frigate?

>>153776142
punisher

>>153776041
>how pathetic can the most pathetic people in the game be?
gee anon, I don't know, very?

>>153776041
your alliance is shit

>>153776142
Probably something like a merlin or incursus

>>153776142
Daredevil

>merlin

>faction is t1

manufacturers pls go

>that one guy who thinks inertia stabs make you more catchable because of sig radius

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>>153777315
>Sister launcher

>>153777315
>inertial stabs and nano
but why

>>153777439
whats wrong with that?
if you can fly T2 ships, you should not be a shitter anymore

>>153777439
They're only 30 mil now. I could fit a t2 launcher, but its worse. The 28 mil is worth the strength bonus imo.

Can you station trade FROM trial accounts?

I.e. can I start a steam account, use wallet to get Plex on trial then send that to my main account?

>>153777725
Negligible gain and it almost doubles the cost of your fit.

>catch an astero
>4 warpstabs
>small shield booster
>t1 claok

>>153777725
After you lose a couple of them you will start using T2

>>153777810
Yes, you can always send/receive isk. IDK if any of the skills for order amount are banned for trials but it should be possible

>>153778096
I just notice the differ3ence between t1 and t2 rangefinding array is 5% which is the same as t2 launcher from sister. I'm going to go switch to the t2 now.

>>153778223

Noice

Free Plex for me today then

>>153777850
>negligible
>when scanning
no such thing as negligible, its the same thing in missions, sites or ratting.
Time is literally isk that scales with performance.

also
>dying on a ship with covops cloak
how shit can you be?

>Time is literally isk

if the +x% scan strength doesn't mean you can probe in fewer cycles, it isn't getting it done faster

>>153779174
yes it does.
it could mean the difference between 2 scans or 3, between having to look at the dot, move it, shrink it and scanning again.

Now multiply it by 100 or whatever many shit you'll be scanning and it literally means getting extra scans for free.

>>>/v/350652598

>>153779464
>it could

yeah but it basically never is, so who cares

>>153779559
I guess that's the difference between people that get rich and people that stay poor counting their shekels pennies and never take risks/investments

>>153779520
haha epicbread lmao

>>153780110
yeah picking a more expensive module even though it's functionally the same is how you get rich

also posting 'le poors' meme increases your isk/hour

There's no way to create a trial account on steam now is there?

>steam

>>153782735
Just make a buddy invite trial

>>153782735
no, and why would you?

>>153782916
>>153782943

Got wallet money for Plex but I didn't realise you can't make a trial. Trying to figure out the best way to actually use it

>he doesn't use RSS probes
what a poorfag shitter, enjoy never being able to plex your 30 accounts and own a titan

>RSS
The memeist.

>>153783048
you just missed the ever only try eve for free in steam I've ever seen by like a week.

your best bet is to buy the starting edition with wallet and then buy the plex.

then convert the steam account a real account so you can log in normally through the launcher without using steam, but you will be still able to buy plex, aur and subscribe that account through steam if you want.

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>tfw blow up some rando's mtu and they throw an autist fit in corp chat

hahaha fukin retards

>>153783468

Only have enough for 1 Plex, so creating a new account with 30 days would be pretty pointless.

Ah well, guess I'll use it on something else

>>153783790
sweet iteron, which skin is that?

>>153776041
Dopple is single handedly carrying snuff with his tower autism.

It's pretty impressive.

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>jaguar

>>153784682
But support skills are for all ships.

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>shitposting

>>153784914
Yes, which is why training them just to fly frigates is fuckery.

>>153784995
How about not flying only frigs you fag?

>frigs
>fag

choose one

>>153785128
I choose two.

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>>153784886
Best looking assfrig.

>>153784778
>not just nefantar rifter instesd

>nefantar
>literal race traitors

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>169
>1+6.2
>2620

>>153785087
That has the most amount of ships for the least SP.

Post cheap cruisers

Where the fug is a Battleclinic archive

>battleclinic

>>153789038
what kind of thing do you want

>>153789038
https://o.smium.org/
This is the new hot thing to look at shitfits anon

confessor-chan scored me 160m for some low effort hisec sites today

thank you, confessor-chan!

>>153790621
>160m/day
how do you live?

>le poors meme

that was epic for the win

>Role bonuses:
>200 %bonus to missile velocity
>50 %penalty to missile flight time

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So, how do we argue that unlimited alts is OK for FW?

>>153789349
Just playing. There were super cheap fits.

>>153790890
what is a le poors meme?
you do know this is not reddit right?

>>153790749
I only played for an hour or so u dumbo

>>153791125
Can alphas even train sentries?

>>153791227
No.

Still.

>>153790749
I'm sorry I can't guess how long it took you from your shitty post with no information of any kind, including the worthwhile to read type of information.

Go make a blog instead.

>>153785561
I'd rather fly a svipul at that cost

>>153791016
Gives RLML's super huge range but does fuck all for HAM's

>drake navy issue

>>153793243
its cheaper to get an orthrus that does more and better

the drake has the same PG and has to fit more launchers its retarded

>>153792907
I mean it is literally a T2 svipul without modes with that fit.
AFs need to be way faster and have bonuses to AB decreasing your sig or some shit

>>153793391
If AFs were faster, they'd outplay every frigate.

>ab decreasing sig
what

>>153793481
Which is the reason they should be price balanced.

>>153793481
You mean they'd get on par with other frigates.

>>153793608
No, because they have resists, range, and other benefits.

T3Ds are too cheap, or AFs are too expensive. With cruisers about 10M, I'd say it's the latter.

>AFs

why do so many people give a shit about this class

>>153793597
well for 30m+ I can get a cruiser to do everything that the AF can do and better. AF's are terrible in their speed, agility, cap, fitting and pretty much everything.

They got balanced way back in 2009 and were never touched again

>>153793814
afs are better at damage mitigation, but damage mitigation is a joke in eve

>>153793754
It's a t2 hull. All of them are expensive. It has the same price as ceptors or covops.

>>153793928
ceptors and covops have huge demand and speciic niches

AFs don't

>>153793972
It's a T2 hull. It needs moonshit. Moonshit costs money.

>>153794054
There's no place for them with cruisers and T3Ds existing at their prices.

>why not just delete frigs because cruisers exist lol xD

>>153793782
>why do people that play this game care about this 8 ships in the game that are completely worthless?

what ships do you like?
what if I buff everything around the type of ship you like to fly and leave them like that for 6 years to rot in mediocrity?

And even if you don't fly them, you should care that the game is kept updated on every aspect, or you risk having the devs stop giving a shit and having it all over the place with outdated modules.

>>153794223
The suggestion was either lowering their price or increasing t3ds'.

>>153794229
why do you like a set of frigates that have always been shittily designed trash?

what particularly about very slow frigates with fitting and cap problems appeals to you

I just pretend this class doesn't exist, it doesn't matter. they have never been essential for anything

>>153794292
I've always been down to increasing the costs of materials needed to build T3Ds.
Even as a fag that flies them a lot.
Killing one and losing one should mean more, right now its too much effort and firepower needed to take down a decent fit and piloted one just to be worth 80mil on average.

>>153794292
You can't just increase the price because you want to. And even if you did put them on the same pricelevel as navy frigs, they'd still be inferior. Comet and slicer totally outclass the assfrigs in every single way. Hookbill is dank as fuck, althought people use harpies for some long range memeing. Firetail is somewhere inbetween i guess.

>>153794445
>always
except that's not true, they were widely used and were very popular before T3Ds shat all over them, just because you didn't play back then does not mean that time didn't exist.
pretending things don't exist is dodging a problem, like I said, once it happens to something you like and remember liking, you'll regret ignoring the past issues.

Would there be something bad about AF's being better then other frigates for actually fighting? I mean, covops go stealthmode, cepters are super fucking fast and bubble immune (i.e. great for tackling)...I don't really see anything wrong with AF's being legitimately better in a straight up fight. Honestly they should pretty much just has the same speeds as T1 frigs but be more combat capable, and see if they can't drop the hull price from 40m or whatever it is now to like 20m.

Not really sure how AF's and dessies should compare to each other though. Perhaps a rock-paper-scissors thing where AF's are good at killing cruisers (in 2-3man gangs), cruisers are good at killing dessies, and dessies are good at killing AF's/other frigates?

>>153794551
why can't you?
people seem to think this game is 100% player driven, but deep down CCP controls is all.
they could change many things and costs in the blueprints
they could change ore is so many ways
they can mess with inventions

>>153794654
>widely used

only harpy meme fleets. other than that it was just shitters flying bad ships ironically or whatever

it seems so retarded. do you go around complaining about how quad light beams and dual 250mm rails are bad? everyone knows they've been shit forever. everyone knows they'll never get fixed. but they aren't valuable gameplay, it just doesn't matter

>>153794551
Frigates have speed, so there's no place for a subclass that just tops them in DPS and EHP, not to mention range..

>>153794769
The hull price is already about 23M.

Dessies having awful speed is a problem also, for fun.

>>153794907
>complaining about a module is the same as complaining about a entire ship subtype
I'm all down to fixing broken modules, start with 650 artys please.
But I'd rather fix the ships that are completely fucked

>>153794907
Hawks used to be a thing, even here. They could rep so much.

>>153793880
So? The cruiser tanks way more than you'll negate in mitigation.

>>153795046
so post an idea to fix them. and it had better not be just buffs so you can be a special t2 heavy assault faggot

>>153794654
>except that's not true, they were widely used and were very popular before T3Ds
No they weren't, AF's were already superceded by T1 buffs in 2010 and 2013 expansions. Same with cruisers vs AF's Frigs and Cruisers got good rebalances but AF's haven't been touched since 2009.

>>153795271
>2010
>2013

>>153795252
AB bonuses.

MWD sig reduction.

>>153795252
>ASSAULT

>>153795252
It probably will just be general buffs

AF's will probably have their Inertial modifier decreased to give more agility then have their mass halved because they're fucking massive for some stupid ass reason. They'll probably receive just flat bonuses and buffs to their hull stats

>>153795389
2013 was odyssey and 2010 is another I can't remember

>>153795418
>AB bonuses

game breaking, makes entire class into noncommittal coward brawlers with retarded damage mitigation

>MWD sig reduction

this is a kiting bonus

>>153795432
kys

>>153795528
more like nothing will happen. if ccp rebalance afs before t3ds, t3cs, logi, caps and t1 destroyers I'll be triggered

>>153795813
>more like nothing will happen. if ccp rebalance afs before t3ds, t3cs, logi, caps and t1 destroyers I'll be triggered
according to CCP at fanfest AF's are the next thing to get rebalanced

>>153795813
>>MWD sig reduction
>this is a kiting bonus
Which is fine if they are to have a place with the BC buffs.

>>153795854
what, after t3cs and t3ds?

>>153795928
supposedly before, or its all gonna come during the November patch because they haven't done any balance passes in some 5 months

>>153795813
>mwd sig reduction is akiting bonus
lmao this guy

>kys
wow cool reply. Assault implies shooting things, just like hacs. They don't have any electronic memes like recons or hic/dics. They just shoot.

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>>153795252
>Assault module that boosts all damage and speed at the cost of heating everything.
>Decrease cost of invention and manufacturing by 40%
>Buff speed to match ceptors but lower agility to noobship status
>Let them equip emergency hull modules
>Buff damage via role bonus to give them an extra weapon like with pirate ships
>Give them all role bonuses to drone bays m3 and control that lets them fit and control medium drones
>Immune to webs and scram turning mwd off (one or the other)
>Allow them to fit medium guns with reduced fitting requirements
>Boring general stat buff
Any of these not shit?

>>153795898
>webs drones and rapids have broken damage mitigation, making smaller ships useless if they don't kite. should we fix it?
>no, just make more kiting smaller ships

>>153796078
>shooting things

wow nice, unlike t1 ships who do not shoot things. great t2 role you thought up there bro

and yes, mwd sig reduction is a kiting bonus. if you spend more than a very small % of the fight burning around with mwd on in a short range ship, you've lost. you aim to mwd as little as possible, and the sig bonus is infinitely less useful for you than on a kiting ship

>>153796184
Web drones don't fucking work, stacking penalty barely gives them 15% to speed reduction

>Attack Frigate role bonus: Immune to rapid light missiles.

>>153796184
They all have range bonuses.

>>153796224
webs and drones, not web drones

>>153796158
Hulltanked gallente would be used 99% with that.

>>153796184
>wow nice, unlike t1 ships who do not shoot things
HACs and AFs don't have any role. They fucking shoot you stupid nigger. Cerberus is better caracal, Eagle is better Moa. Vaga is better stabber.

>>153796390
>Vaga is better stabber.

>>153796512
I hope you aren't implying stabber is better than vaga, or anything actually.

>>153796158
>>Allow them to fit medium guns with reduced fitting requirements
please

>>153796307
you're right, except the vengeance. but so what? the way they are now is retarded. to say that what they're called or what their shitty bonuses are currently should determine what the class should be replaced with is dumb, since they currently don't fill a role. they mostly are not good at kiting. and kiting is not a special thing, it's just a subset of normal combat ships that shoot people

>>153796390
yeah, and they're really shittily designed and making more things like them would be retarded

>rlml retribution
>quad light beam vengeance

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>>153796618
>he doesn't know about the arty stabber

>he thinks stabber can fit arty

>>153796820
you got them backwards
and there would be nothing wrong about a 720mm arty jaguar

>>153797000
The ship would fucking go backwards if it fired.

>he thinks the stabber can't fit arty

>>153797084
>not fitting a prop-less jaguar and nano turning 180 degrees real quick to propulsion yourself backwards towards your target
pleb

the only retarded gimmick roles I like for dumb redesigns of anything are anti-logi and anti-capital

>>153797327
It's called neuts and ewar.

>generates a million cap/sec
>9999 sensor strength and stupid ewar resistance

>also not actually specific counters since they work vs everything, and a lot better than vs logi or capitals you retard

>>153797327
>New module for Attack Frigate!
>Tick Time Bomb!
>Range 1000m
>Duration 30 seconds
>Attach your Attack Frigate to an enemy capital or logistic ship becoming one with their ship.
>During the course of the module cycle, leech 2000GJ per second to fuel the bomb.
>After module is done cycling the ship will explode violently dealing 50,000 + (Neut Leeched) damage to every ship within 40kms.

>>153797682
>stupid overreactions
>hurr why can't my merlin gang kill this carrier

>hurr why do people want to not just make a big capital blob to fight my big capital blob, what could possibly go wrong with a ship class that can only be killed by itself

>>153798132
caps can be easily killed by other caps, supers, titans.
whats wrong?
too poor to own a drive-by DD titan?

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>>153795252
>>153796738

Essentially AF's should be good at killing T1 cruisers in 2-3 man gangs, T1 cruisers should be good at killing dessies (which are slower and bigger), and dessies should be good at killing AF's.

Alright, AF idea:
>Keep tank roughly the same
>MWD sig reduction bonus stays
>Speed is actually OK if you're hunting for cruisers, speedcreep is bad and we don't need another fucking class of 3000m/s+ ships flying around
>Fitting reduction and damage to medium guns (a la attack BC's), Hawk/Veng get HAMs, Ishkur gets med drones
>Range reduction to medium guns to around 8k optimal 5k falloff (so you have to skirmish-brawl and also can't ownzone other frigs while sitting on a gate)
>Low sensor strength to increase lock times against other frigs and increase susceptibility to EWAR (Same reason as above + counterplay)
>Low capacitor amounts, high cap regen rate so that they are more vulnerable to being capped out by medium neuts (counterplay again).

Honestly I don't think we really need 8 of these bloody things in the game, and it would probably be OK if we got rid of half of them.

speedcreep is fine because fast is fun

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>>153800970
im ok with this

>>153800970
>>Speed is actually OK if you're hunting for cruisers, speedcreep is bad and we don't need another fucking class of 3000m/s+ ships flying around
Well the speed is seriously lacking, some of these ships especially the armor ones can't get above 2km/s with a MWD so its seriously lacking. This is due in part to their ridiculously high mass and low agility.

I think their cap has to be higher and comporable, medium shield and armor reps eat a lot of cap and if you get below a certain threshold you're gonna cap out no matter how good your regen is. They need cap thats better than T1 frigs because a lot of them now have explicitly worse cap than T1 frigs.

>low sensor strength to increase lock times
you mean scan res, sensor strength is for resisting jams and probing.

I don't really like the AF medium weapon thing. It seems disingenuous, just stick to small guns and give them enough fitting to fit the high end weapon systems like Focused Beams, Light Neutron Blasters and 200mm guns.

>>153800970
>Low capacitor amounts, high cap regen rate
This means you get neut alpha'd and everything shuts down. No.

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MADE IT SAFE TO JITA

>>153801426
if the recharge is high enough you can still creep under the neuts and keep the tank/guns rolling
Just need enough regen to creep under mediums and heavies, small ones should still cause trouble

>>153801563
>if the recharge is high enough you can still creep under the neuts and keep the tank/guns rolling
Not really

Low cap capacitance means even if one of your modules draws under the 33% threshold you'll cap out extremely quick. Its better to have large capacitance and slightly lesser regen rate. Even then don't fuck with the capacitor beyond making it better than T1 frigs, theres no need for a gimmick, 2 cycles of a medium neut will cap out any frig super easy.

>>153801276
>Strength/Res
Your right, my mistake
>>153801737
Fair enough.

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>>153801478
>made it to Jita :^)

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>Prowler

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>anything wrong with the prowler

capacitor

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[Vagabond, Arty Vagabond]

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Reactor Control Unit II

Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
Thukker Medium Cap Battery
Corelum C-Type 50MN Microwarpdrive

720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP M
[Empty High slot]

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II


'Augmented' Hammerhead x2
'Augmented' Hobgoblin x1

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>>153801478
>>153801908

Fuck off Term. No one cares what Globby gave you.

I'm going to fucking gank you.

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>>153773528
You're getting the first part of this review wrong. #1 mistake: This game isn't about mining. Mining is just a result of people needing to get that building material in order to build that thing so they can A) sell it for profit or B) use it to kill other players. In the end B is the only alternative, but if you can make a profit on the way, it's even better. People who mine just to mine aren't dumb, however. Some people get a lot of I. meditation out of it, and there's actually a pretty cool element of II. socialization in it. So yeah, to preemptively sum of this comment about mining: The best ship in EVE is the friendship, and that's why this game has endured for so long.

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>>153808045
Great review but your dig at miners wasn't necessary. I know some miners. Some of them run huge operations, and they enjoy it. They do it wqhile they pay attention to their families at night. I knew a guy who mined while he drove cross country. The mining community is very social. They like that they can hang with their friends, keep it casual and still progress in the game. This is what eve gets right, it's a sand box, people make of it what they will.

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>crane

>bumping

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Share your fits /dog/

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>need to gift plex to a steam account so it can be traded to me
>literally no one in this game I trust enough
>stuck being poor

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>>153818069
why?

>>153818482

Because its 2bill isk just being handed on a silver platter and I've only been back playing a short time

>>153817735
what the fuck is that for?
its not even that fast

>>153818529
So you bought a plex in steam, without a steam account, and now cannot load it in game? Sounds retarded, ask for a refund, or forget about it and hope you befriend someone with steam down the line

>>153820545

No I haven't bought it yet. I've been trading the shitload of cards etc and a couple items/gifts I've saved over the years. Have enough in my steam wallet for 2 plex and there's nothing else I'd rather buy atm.

>>153820594
Might be easier once f2p is around, just make an alpha then, redeem and donate to your main.

>>153820686

Yeah, just a pain to wait aye. Would help me a lot to get going now to have that isk.

Ah well

>>153777315
I dig it. Is that a slippery pete finder?

>>153822709
Yes. If the tengu is in a relic site

>oneiros

Does mjfg work on Orca?

>PL video
>it has nigger music

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Who /comfy/ isk making here?

Eve going f2p
Eve is dead

>>153827568
Pretty weak bait baka desu

>>153827436
I set up some SP farms for that sweet free isk but profits are tanking pretty fast
Carrier ratting anyone? How good is it?

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>>153827858

I just run incursions every month or so to keep my sub at 6 months. I wouldn't mind getting into carrier ratting but eh I dont have that much time and too lazy to handle the increased risks atm

>>153817735
There's so much wrong with this fit I don't even know where to start.

Step 1. Find an active or passive shield repper, preferably passive
Step 2. Engage at 3km.
Step 3. Wear him down past peak regen or until his boosters run out, if RLML or RHML fit just laugh as you run 1 repper during the 30s he can't shoot.

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>>153828708
fuckn derp

>he think he can break my cap stable DED LSB vaga

>90m in rigs
>uses t2 reps

>>153828782
Why not just fucking fly brutix navy or a fucking Eos if you want to slap 100M in rigs on it?

Should I go with 1MN afterburner of just mwd on griffin (fleet fights)? Oversized afterburner is kinda meh.
Also is it worth the effort to try to sig and speed tank in case I get primaried? I guess I would stay like 70 km away from enemy fleet going 1300m/s. Can I survive it to apply cancer for longer before warping out?

>>153829194
Because the navy brutix is a meme ship. The Eos is about to undergo a massive change

>>153829959
MWD, normal sized ab is shit on an ewar ship

>>153820741
You can trust me anon, I literally just traded an anon his trial plex.

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>>153817735

>>153807523
Garbage fit

who want's to give me a plex, so that i can return to the game?

>>153833134
Post your name.

>>153833775
Mentier TheGreat

>>153833134
Sent :^)

>>153833978
for real? :D

>>153832727
>small shield extender

>>153828782
remove kinetic pump for a nanobot accelerator

remove both EANM's replace with flavor hardeners to maximize tank. If you go out solo you're gonna need it

replace rigs with T1 variants and pop an exile booster instead. Or if you have those mid-grade asklepian implants thats really good too

>>153832727
>all that faction garbage yet still shit

>>153832727
Dread Guristas modules are massive traps, they resist the same as T2 variants iirc unless it was changed.

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>>153836095
They use less cpu and aren't especially expensive. Avg price is 18mil, to protect a 200mil mining barge 40mil in specialised hardeners isn't a terrible investment.

>>153834526
I went with pic related instead. It can rep 2000+ against EM, over 1000 against hybrids or 1300+ against pure explosive. This is with a standard exile of course (remember kids winners do drugs) and the reasoning for this is because of the adaptive hardener being so strong on this kind of ship.

>>153836326
300 mil mining barge is more accurate, they are 270 mill sell.

>>153834201
you liar, you didn't give me shit...

In EFT the raw volley damage is what type of hit? Smashing?

>>153837807
Just a normal average hit, the value you get when you hover over the guns. "Smashing" and "Penetrates" refer to hits that go for 125-150% damage.

>>153836326
>I went with pic related instead.
Yea thats pretty neat, just know that RAH's are easy to fuck with resists on, so don't expect it to save your ass.

a thorax with warriors can evenly split your resists between 20/20/20 therm/kinetic/explosive really easy

>>153827858
I would, but no carrier or skill points.

Sounds fucking fun.

>>153836326
>he expects honorabru solo peeveepee in a battlecruiser
You gon' get blobbed son.

And as soon as you're up against 2 or more people the chances are pretty good that the reactive meme hardener is only going to give you 15% to each armor resist.

>>153818069
Message Zoltan Cole.

>>153842380
That's how I balance my fits, I assume 15% to all resists. It's just really handy to have this for guys using hobs and hybrids since they will at best/worse be doing 2 damage types and you can tank fat amount of dps like this.

>>153842269
>can't do x, better cry about it

>>153842619
Still, you're flying a battlecruiser m8.

Nothing cruiser down will consider engaging you. And if they do, you bet they have friends close by.

>tfw subbed 60 days in advance
>great exploration skills
>decent free isk handy

Suddenly exploring became way more fun now that I'm not worried about the money part of it. I'm also making more money now since I'm not so worried about isk/hour efficiency and I'm way more patient/calm.

This is fun/awesome man.

>>153843310
Loving the exploration thing too as roughly a month old, subbed early on to get cloak and not worrying about plex is definitely good, especially as you can use your isk to inject.

Wormholes are especially fun with the cloaky proteus paranoia. Pulse still goes up every time I uncloak and start hacking there. Exploration in null has been kinda boring in comparison.

>>153777810
Dont make steam account you retard.

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So how many cloaky proteus's do you think are in this hole?

I want all these things SO FUCKING BAD, I haven't seen a single thing on dscan the entire time I was scanning.

>>153844810
What's your ship worth?

If it's a shitfit heron/imicus then you have no reason not to try.

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>>153828782
>70M in rigs on a 50M ship

>>153845794
a brutix is better for a hull tank than the myrm

>>153845858
Myrm has more mids

>>153846040
so? brutix has more lows so you can do more hulltank shit

more highs for more guns, more damage, the mids at that point don't master

>>153829959
Even a MWD is going to speed tank most drones

>>153842853
>sounds fun
>any semblance of upset

>>153845620
60 mil ship + implants.

>>153846081
2 webs and an mjd is better than whatever shit you can put in your 1 webs and an mds slot layout.

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>>153846519
this is better than the myrm in every way

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>>153845794
>using a hulltank on a ship with a native rep bonus.
Ok. You could just downgrade to t1 rigs if price is an issue.

You can't really bling a myrmidon without the price going orbital thanks to really oppressive faction/dedspace prices.

>>153844810
Don't be a pussy, do it. There's always a cloaky proteus on grid but sometimes they are nice and let you go.

>>153846827
I've done 4 sites so far.

>meme tank shitfits on /eog/

docking request accepted x7

tornado hits you for 3,315 (graze)

docking request accepted x9

tornado hits you for 6,215 (smashing)

warp drive activated (warping to sun in pod)

ccp pls, this is bullshit.

>>153847149
sounds like you landed off station

and if you were SERIOUSLY slowboating to station for the 20 second cycle time it took for the tornado to fire twice I feel really bad for you being such shit

>>153847061
>implying its the players fault that local reps are unbalanced against humongous t2/t3 buffer tank fits.
>implying local rep t2 resist fits are competitive
because the modules are broken. They were last rebalanced in 2012, same as AF. Notice a relation?

>>153847149
Dock range is 400m or so. You can land up to 2500m away. Do the math

>>153847346
that's wrong though

but hey keep on not fitting a prop mod and being unable to repair yourself and thinking you need 3 webs

>>153847346
Not really, every solo fight where one guy takes on a ton is always active reppers

but the regular T2 reppers are such shit theres no reason to use them ever

>>153847456
>>153847491
I'm the myrmidon guy
yes and I know that t2 reppers are shit, but you can't tank on ancillary forever you might as well run 2x T2s if you're in a fight that lasts longer than your 8 injections and you need the extra reps.

>you can't tank on ancillary forever
>local reps are unbalanced
>the modules are broken

so triggered. these low tier bads, every time. how many times do I have to explain basic game mechanics to r/eog

>>153847637
You can usually run on one ancil and a T2 and let the reload happen, exile really helps and so do the new implants.

faction and dead space medium reppers are way too rare and expensive. Unlike shield reppers that are so common

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>143 AU to warp bubble collapse

>>153847912
>tfw you do this in a freighter
Just get up and go take a shit

>>153846827
I got all the sites I could do. Only 121 mil though.

Is there a single useful moros build? one with webs and scram maybe? since carriers can easily kill subcaps im thinking about something that can land at 0 on a carrier and keep it webbed while it burns it down.

>>153849847
Nope, not a single one

the nag does everything the moros can, but better

>webs and scrams
>on a dreadnought
>useful

>>153850045
heavy scrams for pointing supers

>implying a competently flown super will be in range of your dread

>>153850092
a scram from a rifter can scram a super

>hey this dinky frigate can shut off the MWD of a fucking super 1000 times its size

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>>153850016
I don't think that a nag can hold down battleships and assfuck them quite as good as even a bad moros.

>>153850641
the nag has more optimal and more fall off.

the nag shield tanks better than the moros

the nag has more overall tank

the nag has capless guns and more damage because of selectable damage

the moros has nothing

>>153818069
If you still want to do this ive got a steam account, I'll give you the name of my main and stuff.

>Moros niggers trying to make their shitty potato better than the Nag but they just can't

>>153850462
Heavy scrams have more strength and let you do it with far less numbers. Not to mention a frigate in scram range will get smartbombed very fast

>>153850727
Phoenix life

>>153851343
>Heavy scrams have more strength and let you do it with far less numbers
A single rifter's scram turns off a super's MWD and Jump Drive. the only thing the super can do is warp away

>>153832225
>>153842459
>>153851052

Just woke up

I do but I'm just too afraid of someone screwing me over atm

I'm poor irl too so it's not something I can do every day. I just got lucky selling some steam stuff for high value

>>153851490
And even then, any single scram will do this because CCP think's its balanced that a single scram does the same shit as a HIC scram

>>153851494
Well if you want to do it message Msyltek in steam.
All I can tell you is that I've never scammed anyone in any game and i've got retarded amounts of money to care about stealing a few plex.

and only >>153851052
this post is mine

>>153851187
>>153850727
A shield nag is probably better 99% of the time,
but you take the load off the tackle by using this moros because once you land at 0 on the carrier you can assrape him the whole way because it's just not possible for him to get under your guns at 25m/s. So it predicates a few things, getting the drop on the enemies capital assets or in a situation where you want to limit yourself to one capital in a hotdrop then a double web moros can defend itself much better than a nag which will have 0 chance to hit anything smaller than a space station near it, and wont be providing any measurable benefit to its support fleet with its presence unlike scram/web moros because scram/web is always useful for trash disposal.

This is just the same argument we've always seen with shield vs armour tanking, shield is really easy to push in to massive performance but you lose all EWAR in the process.

>>153851730

Okay mate, well I appreciate the offer.

It's still early so I'm gonna catch a bit more shuteye, but I'll send you a message in game when I'm up :)

>>153851954
>no genderqueer exotic dancers

Come on, it’s YC118.

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>not making your own library

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>>153851952

>>153853515
hi, I'm new

could you send me 10 billion ISK so I can buy some learning implants, please?

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>>153854374
whats your name rookie?

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>>153853515
>>153856502
Azis?

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>escalating entropy

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why do people in this shit game not fucking listen

>put up advert for my corp
>say very clearly no FW no Wormholes no Nullsec
>retards keep trying to recruit us for FW, Wormholes and Nullsec f1 blobbery
>put up an advert for myself
>I DO NOT GIVE ANYONE MY API
>retards keep messaging me asking for my API as if they didn't read my ad

eve shitters are just desperate to get somebody, anybody to join their corps they don't even read recruitment posts

>>153858767
What? Are you recruiting for your corp or are you trying to join a corp?

>>153857706
who?

>>153858860
we were looking for an alliance to join, but all the '''''pvp'''' or ''''merc'''' alliances sit in one system and never leave it be it a high sec trade hub or a low sec entrance system.

>>153858767
>I wanna join a corp
>but I don't wanna give anyone my API
good luck getting into no one's corp with that additude, go join Horde

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>>153858980
>he's worth so little he has no wealth or wealth-making apparatus to hide
>he hands out a read only backdoor into his client to random people in a videogame

>>153859164
>back door into your client
no thats not how API's work you mong

API's are like resumes

>>153859164
>hahaha those idiots giving out their API's to people they join corp with
>what? I'm not a spy, just trust me because I said so, no I'm not giving you my API
>What the fuck why won't they let me into corp

Like I said go fucking join horde

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>Gave a corp my API key once
>They stole all my ISK and SP

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>>153859164
>>he hands out a read only backdoor into his client to random people in a videogame
you can't possibly be this retarded can you?
API is literally nothing but statistics and data about your in-game doings/assets/mail etc

Its literally like plugging one of those heart monitors on your phone when you go out running and then giving the information to some random stranger, he doesn't magically get control of your body, he can't infiltrate your home by knowing your bpm or burned calories.

>>153859164

Autism

>dude just give us your apt it's totally secure
And I woke up to no isk, all my sp drained and none of my friends will talk to me.

Don't fall for the Api meme

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>>153859848
>give corp my API
>they steal my social security number and my identify
>Now a wanted fugitive
>My super sexy imouto is now having incestuous relations with a double they used to replace me
>All I have left is a mission of vengeance

>>153860069
unless you were typing your account into in mails for some reason and never deleted them there is no fucking way someone hacked you through the API

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Noob here, I'm thinking about buying a plex, selling it, and getting a couple skill injectors. Is this a good idea?

I have about 3 million SP right now, and a general set of mainly fighting/fitting skills right now. I have all race's cruisers trained to level 3 (no battlecruisers or above, though).

If I get a couple skill injectors, what should I use them on?

Should I max out my drone skills?
Should I get a bunch of manufacturing/research skills (or should I make a highsec alt for that?)
Should I do various specialization skills to fly T2 stuff?

Any tips about "highly important" skills to max out for a beginner?

>>153862316
>Noob here, I'm thinking about buying a plex, selling it, and getting a couple skill injectors. Is this a good idea?
Yea you could do this

How many SP do you have right now?

Also what you choose to spend that SP on is up to you, what do you like to do?

>>153862316
>Any tips about "highly important" skills to max out for a beginner?
advanced weapon upgrades 5

>>153862769
>How many SP do you have right now?
3 million or so

>what do you like to do?
I'm still thinking about it, there are a lot of things that are interesting to me

I am in a nullsec corp, and I like to pvp in small groups (i fly light tackle and never get any killmails, only lossmails but it's still pretty fun)

I want to get started in manufacturing and researching bpo's, but I will need all level 5 skills to even consider that, otherwise the big, established guys will undercut me out of the market. I am currently getting a Venture bpo to time efficiency 10, not sure if that will be useful later or not.

For money, I'm right now ratting in asteroid belts, getting the bounty and reprocessing the loot.

I've heard incursions pay massive ISK, but I don't have skills for that, right now.

>>153862918
That's a good idea, thanks.
I only have weapon upgrades at level 4 right now

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>>153862316
>couple
you might afford 2 injectors with one plex right now, MAYBE, if you sell the plex well and buy the injectors well.

I would get all basic fitting skills at least to IV
get a frigate and small weapon system to V and then light drones/drones to V and supports to IV

don't bother flying T2 shit, pirate shit or battlecruisers yet.
T1 cruisers are alright but you won't get good fights regularly on your own compared to T1 frigs, because you get to choose your fights without a problem as a frigate and they are extremely cheap, dying means nothing, which means you get to learn faster.

I would recommend Gallente for T1 cruisers and frigs.


Just in general, nav skills, targeting skills, tackle skills you want them all at III mandatory, and only get them to IV when they unlock something you need, for now.

Don't train for manufactring, research or anything not PVP related on a PVP pilot.
Get a new pilot for that if you really want, but be aware that its hard to turn a steady profit with manufacturing and research right now if you are new.

In short, keep flying T1 ships for a while while you learn but try to learn T2 modules for those ships.
Weapon and tanking modules come to mind as first to get.

>>153862918
why would you recommend that to a new player?
it unlocks nothing worthwhile for him and it its a 1,5mil sp skill to V
The small bonus of pg it gives is not worth it compared to all the other skills available.

>>153863394
>I want to get started in manufacturing and researching bpo's,
Thats usually an expensive endeavor because it takes a lot of money to get BPO's people want.

>>153863653
fine then tactical shield manipulation 5

>>153863445
OK, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the tips!

>>153863710
>fine then tactical shield manipulation 5
>le funny shitposting to fuck with a new player for no reason
let me guess you are in gorski

>>153863843
gitgud

>>153858767
>eve shitters are just desperate to get somebody, anybody to join their corps they don't even read recruitment posts

You really don't need to take it so personally. Because they don't, either.

>>153863835
All the races are fine but Gallente has some top tier ships like Vexor, Thorax, Tristan, Atron, Maulus, Celestis, Fed Navy Comet, Catalyst, Algos, VNI and all of their battlecruisers.

Also just because you can use T2 modules does not mean you want to fit everything T2 on your T1 ship, sometimes being cheap is the smart choice and the advantage.
Having high risk tackle atrons for your corp be as cheap as possible that cost less than 2mil is smarter than losing 8mil atrons back to back.
And only use your solo T2 atrons for actual combat where you need every bit of damage and tank.

When you decide to fly cruisers, active fits are very hard for new players to fly properly, brick tanking or nano passive is the smarter choices (brick being the easiest)

Gallente also has really good ships to PvE btw

>implying all those ships are top tier

>>153846783
It's the exact same thing without a prop. The myrm can null dda for bulkheads.

>>153867010
I can drop 2 bulkheads, have more tank than you a shit more damage, your myrm only has a MJD as well

>>153867009
only the maulus and celestis are not technically top tier, but they are good ships for a newbie to have as his disposal to use with his corp

>maulus and celestis
>not top tier

>>153847343
>>153847452
Not him, but I'm pretty sure I've landed on 0 points and didn't dock, after sending the request, at all, incoming damage or no.

>>153847149
request refund if it really happened
and post mail

>not flying the kebab removal machine
https://o.smium.org/loadout/101469

>not flying the triple rep vengeance
https://o.smium.org/loadout/30591

Whats a good way to start using a stratios if I'm used to using a covert ops frigate?

I don't want to try it and grossly over/underestimate its abilities.

>>153868492
for scanning?
no reason to ever upgrade from a astro or Helios

>>153868620
or buzzard

>>153868620
umm I'm getting used to/pretty good at exploring in a covert ops and I want to expand my versatility when I explore.

Like my Helios is super awesome if I just want to hack/scan shit. But I'd also like to be able to go on long trips through wormholes and shit and creep on people while they are ratting and stuff. Carry a mobile depot and refit for PvP from exploring/scanning.

I'm falling in love with a longer view of exploring, not just getting loot and getting out, but setting up wormhole chains and information having sites pre scanned down and stuff.

I could also use a tengu but I'm not sure if thats what I want.

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>tengu

>>153869275
Then basically the Stratios is a VNI with more tank and pg/cpu but no tracking bonus.
You just hug people, neut them to offline and be done with it.
Nothing complicated about it, just don't use guns.
Consider investing into augmented drones for the max dps combo drone squad.
Bring tons of cap boosters, and container trick to fit as many as possible.

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>stratios

Fleet where.

>>153872197
>every single fucking day when i dock up this little faggot just sits there and gives me this stupid look on his face

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>>153872502
every single day anon

How to clear fittings?

>>153873345
strip in the fitting window

>>153873501
Saved fits.

>>153873547
right click delete fittings?

or import CREST to pyfa or whatever and mass delete them and synch.

>>153873652
>as if I know how to mass delete them

>how do I delete these 200 fits
>you right click each one and press delete :^)

>drifter incursions

>>153867318
If you have a session timer (e.g. your cyno ship just exploded, you left a fleet, etc), you have to wait it out. Other than that, landing at 0 guarantees you get in. It's the whole reason JFs are said to be unkillable if you aren't retarded.

>>153873732
>>153873886
I just told you niggers.
Get Pyfa
Under the CREST menu log into the account with the pilot you want to delete.
and delete them

>>153873886
not my fault you are autistic, deal with your mistake