/dfg-/ Dwarf Fortress General

I am a DWARF
And I'm DIGGING a HOLE
DIGGY DIGGY HOLE
Digging a HOLE

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So how are your forts/adventurers going /dfg/?

Anyone else having issues with dorfs just refusing to sit at tables to eat? I have no idea what to do to solve it and they keep getting the negative thought due to lack of chairs.

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Sometimes these night trolls would at least TRY to be threatening or something

>>153700101
Put a table/chair combo in each of their rooms and they'll usually sit at it to eat.
Make sure you don't have a tavern either, taverns are AIDS that ruin everything and provide no meaningful benefits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnUnYrLKKYo

>>153699748
A giant attacked my settlement and got killed by a millitia of 8 dwarves. One then died to a giant anole.

>>153700101
They will always eat at the nicest dining hall they are allowed to eat at. So, dig out a large stone area, smooth and engrave both the floor and the walls, put a stone door at each entrance, then load the place up with stone tables, stone thrones, and maybe some statues and rare animals in metal cages. Your dwarves will always eat there. You can then designate that as a meeting area via zones and maybe set up a control room nearby where all your levers are.

>>153699748
Waiting for winter. I neglected to install a bridge in my waterfall, so now it's flooding the cavern layer it feeds into and threatens to spill into my fort, but I have to wait till it freezes over before I can construct anything to block the flow.

Also, discovering the elephant men move fucking slow in fort mode. Like half the speed of my dwarves, if not slower.

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>>153699748
Business as usual.

>>153704651
I swear I'm literally the only person I see talk about Dwarf Fortress who gives generously to the elves. I like being able to have exotic pets I can use in my traps or as part of my meat or leather economy. Not just here but when I used to shitpost at Bay 12 Forums. You'd think I was the guy who came up with Obok Meatgod but no, they ban me instead because I like elves and I don't vote Democrat.

>>153704634
Retired adventurers?

>>153703846
who

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>tfw you're near a fine bed

>>153705185
>I like elves and I don't vote Democrat
Well duh, everyone knows elf sympathizers vote green party.

But seriously though, I would be more tolerant of the elves if they weren't so god damn useless. Every spring I haul all my trade goods to the market, hoping for giant tigers or something cool, and every spring the elves bring a pair of larks and a bucket of wooden crap, so I offer them a lump of charcoal and hope it'll offend them enough to trigger an invasion.

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>>153705185
If the elves bring me something worth trading for, I trade. If not, I kill them. If an animal I traded for dies of old age, the caravan dies whether they bring me something nice or not.
The diplomats die every time, though. One does not give Fath Spiraloil, the Rider of Rampages, Duchess of Relicwebs an ultimatum and get to go home.

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I was wondering why the demon overlord of the goblins was listed as alive but was not in charge of the civ, and then I found out that she was taken prisoner by a band of 130 humans who attacked the dark fortress, killed 150 goblins and then kidnapped the demon and have her chained up in some hamlet in bumfuck nowhere.
I didn't even know that was possible.

>>153705221
Yes.

>>153707757
http://bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=9588

>>153708221
Huh. I'll try removing the [MEANDERER] tag then, see if that works.

>>153705185
I'd trade more with the elves if they had more goods that were worth trading for. Exotic animals are ok but everything else they have at the moment is garbage. Literally all I buy from them right now is fruits and occasional animals.

I miss when elves had cloth to sell. That was actually useful for supplying resources for a clothing industry.

As they are currently they're almost useless trading partners. The only other thing they're good for is trap fodder and fodder for military.

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>building an aboveground structure
>somehow a floor tile collapses
>falls 1 z level
>huge cloud of sand is kicked up
>3 dwarves are caught in the cloud
>1 dwarf somehow gets her leg, arm, and neck mangled in the cave in
>all this from a single falling floor tile
>just one block fell
>she's a legendary miner
>she's a great poet
>she's a talented writer
>mfw she suffocates due to a fractured spine

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>/dfg-/
>hard to type past the violent eye twitching

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>>153710591
Fuck, I didn't notice until you pointed it out.

Is there any way to remove fire with DFHack?

Keep crashing due to a fire spreading fucking everywhere above ground

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So a while back I cleared out a necromancer tower, took the slab, gathered up all the books, and then carried them to a volcano and threw them in.
I just stopped by the tower again on my way to kill a cyclops and I found the slab and every single book was back at the tower as though I had never taken them at all.
The slab even still has blood on it from the night creature I killed with it.
What the fuck is going on?

>>153712942
You can use tiletypes to spawn water over it.

>>153713634
There used to be a bug where trying to remove an artifact from the site it was created at would result in it being removed from your inventory and respawning at the site. I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be fixed. What you're experiencing sounds related, as books and necro slabs are considered artifacts.

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>>153712942
df.global.world.fires should list them, if you're not sure I don't think deleting them would hurt anything, I do the opposite with my firestarter script.

>>153714172
Artifacts and books which get placed on tables get a weird sort of status now as a result of the campsite changes.

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Rolled up on a big bunch of bandits I vaguely recall hitting with a different character, this time I've got four axedorfs I'm getting used to trauma, so I tell them all to yield and drop their shit, some do, some try to act tough, when I run out of new people to bitch out I let loose the dorfs of war!

(it was gruesome, I've been buffing and gearing these four actively, 5 vs ~15 with me just sitting back to chuck bolts around was a slaughter, stay in school and don't become bandits, kids!)

>>153714764
Oh, I meant:

gui/gm-editor df.global.world.fires should give you the list and you can then hit ctrl+d I think to clear the entries (not sure if that's the default hotkey or my own, hit ? to check in gm-editor) and it will remove the fires.

>that feel when you dont have the patience or the skill to play dorf fort

You know what I hate most about rivers?
It's not that you can't just fast travel across them if you know how to swim, or the river is frozen, or you can fly, or you're fucking amphibious.
It's not that they spawn fucking everywhere and there's no way to disable them from generating.
It's not that you have to be miles away from them on either side in order to fast travel, meaning that crossing them manually involves loading dozens of cells before you can leave.
No, what I hate most about rivers, is that every single time you cross one, there's a flock of birds or a school of fish or some other worthless pack of wildlife, and by simply existing in your vicinity you get inundated with pages upon pages of SUMMARIZE THE CONFLICT IN WHICH A RAVEN ATTACKED A RAVEN and SUMMARIZE THE CONFLICT IN WHICH ATTACKED YOU.

I fucking hate rivers.

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>>153715876
>skill
>dwarf fortress

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>>153705402

>>153717029
>it's autism if I don't know your favorite let's player
smells like cancer to me

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>>153717304

>>153717304
Pretty sure he meant that autism was who it was.
Calling someone autistic for not knowing a letsplayer is too dumb to be a thing that happens unironically.

>>153717413
>autism: only just now noticing there is sound on those videos, explaining how people can tell which player is which right away
>brotism: caring which player is which
Don't be a brotist.

>>153699748
Pretty good.

Ettin attacked me and got his heads caved in by the first dwarf he met, before the militia even got to him.

Dragon attacked me and started an embark-wide forest fire. Every tree on the map burned to cinders. Which of course the elves blamed me for, so now I'm at war with the treehuggers.

>>153717832
That trips a "wait, it doesn't work like that" flag: trees which catch on fire don't disappear generally, just the branches and leaves and shit, the trunk and whatnot remains. That being the part elves jerk off over, it seems that even if this could happen, it couldn't happen like that.

>>153719675
Well, I don't know what to tell you, but the elves were cool with me before the dragon, but they aren't now. Got a diplomat complaining to me about my mistreatment of the trees, then we're at war. Perhaps all the collapses from the fire counted as felling the trees?

I don't really know.

Modest Mod updated when?

>>153720125
>>153719675
OH I think I just figured it out. It was all the saplings that burned completely. They disappear from fire, unlike multi-tile trees.

So much like they blame you if a bronze colossus kills their merchants, it seems reasonable that they'd blame you if a dragon torched a bunch of saplings.

>>153714764
>firestarter script
Explain pls, I want to burn goblins.

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>>153720476
>too lazy to fuck with anonymizing it via pastebin or whatever
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/maxthyme/maxthyme-scripts/master/firestarter.lua

Put the cursor on a tile and run the script, it will set a fire on that tile, view an inventory and run it, poof everything burns, view an item, just that item burns.

Whenever dfhack catches up I'll have to rewrite several scripts to fix new structures and shit, I'll make sure firestarter works in fort mode too, the item/inventory part should work but the "I want a fire here" part is advmode only.

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>beast angels were mini humanoids made of vomit
>humanoid angels were even smaller and composed of ash, armed with whips, halberds, pikes and warhammers
>archangel was a snail composed of vomit who died immediately when my pike chipped his body
>vault pikes were actually a downgrade compared to my old iron pike? I guess the lighter weight means less force?
I got the slab though, and the demon in question is alive and well inside his fortress. I'm gonna go kick his ass now.

>>153722869
You mean make him your bitch, right?

>>153723350
Even if I wanted some wimp-ass gopher demon as my bitch, which I don't, I'd still banish him. I'm a paladin of the god of sacrifice. Doing anything else would go against my entire adventure thus far.

>>153723634
Make him haul lumber and build shit for you!

Design a massive temple and set him to work on it alone while you go adventure, put the slab on a table in the middle.

>>153723718
Wait you can do that?
Fuck maybe I should do that.

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>>153722869
>using a tileset
>201X

>>153724720
>being triggered by pretty fortresses

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>>153724720
>not knowing the definition of a "tileset"
absolutely 2016

>>153699748
Embarked onto a glacier that half melts during the summer, so that's pretty cool. The other half is constantly covered in frozen dwarf blood.
It's a good thing I'm not colourblind.

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Ahh, the bay12 modding subforum.

How would you nerf plump helmet

>>153729382
Make lack of variety in booze/food have more weight. That way they're still good, but it's necessary to include other sauces of food/drink.

>>153729382
after 2 years of only drinking and eating plump helmets dwarves will turn into plump helmet men

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>>153729382
>implying plump helm abstinence isn't the worst possible thing

>>153729382
In my opinion, it's a good thing that the food and drink industries are the simplest ones in the game, as it's the first one new players learn and the first thing you do in every single fortress. It's still a little bit too effective though, and could definitely make room for more complexity on the higher end of things

>Make dwarves require cooked meals, and make cooking give seeds. Plants that are edible raw are still edible, but dwarves will avoid eating them unless forced to and it will give an unhappy thought, just like booze and water
>Make meals require unique ingredients. No lavish meals of finely minced plump helmetx4
>Reduce the yield of unfertilized plots and increase the yield of fertilized plots. A 3x3 plot should be fine early on, but it shouldn't feed your entire 120 dwarf fortress without at least some fertilizer
>Make variety in food and drink more important. Dwarves only get happy thoughts from eating something if they have a preference for it or if they haven't eaten it within recent memory.
>Buff alternate food sources, so there's actually a reason to get a fish or meat or beekeeping industry instead of relying on plump helmets, chicken eggs, turkey eggs and guineahen eggs. Mead should be the most valuable drink in the game

>>153730454
>plum
ONE JOB

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>a grey langur has stolen a (steel anvil)!

Has anyone tried to enslave a demon in adventure mode by reading its name in a vault and later retire both companions in an old fort of yours, to live there?
If my experiments are correct, you should have that demon living in your fortress, being able to write books or serve in your tabern, and eventually he'd petition to be a member of your civ

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Wanting to do a mad max themed fort but, I don't know what would would be the ideal setting to embark in to capture the gritty wasteland feel.

>>153733006
savage desert for giant roos

>>153730487
>beekeeping

now there's an industry that needs a buff

>>153733006
savage rocky wasteland?

What's the deal with ichor and blood barrels

Anyone got a fortress musician guide? How do you get them to compose?

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>>153733417

Fuck, I've been looking through this damn map for ages and I totally forgot that rocky wastelands exist and what the look like, I thought it was either sand desert or badlands.

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>>153733559
Placeholder for future reactions/mechanics and crafts, once the magic/myth and the starting scenarios updates get done

>>153734232
Gee I can't wait to have a use for barrels of gremlin sweat

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Bili, my name is Urist-fiya.

I’m a 27 year old Dwarven Thitathi (Elf fan for you wanaras). I engrave trees and flowers on my smooth walls, and spend my days perfecting my art and playing on superior Elven string instruments. (Ici, Ova, Athi)

I train with my wooden sword every day, this superior weapon can cut clean through grass because it underwent photosynthesis over a thousand times before I picked it from the tree, and is vastly superior to any other weapon on earth. I earned my sword license two years ago, and I have been getting better every day.

I speak Elvish fluently, both ÿora and the Amalaefeye dialect, and I write fluently as well. I know everything about Elven history and their Esefatha code, which I follow 100%

When I get my Elven visa, I am moving to Cacameinire to attend a prestigious High School to learn more about their magnificent culture. I hope I can become an acolyte for the queen or a shaping tree operator!

I own several grown fiber robes, which I wear around the fortress. I want to get used to wearing them before I move to the forest retreat, so I can fit in easier. I bow to my elders and seniors and speak Elvish as often as I can, but rarely does anyone manage to respond.

Wish me luck in the forest retreat!

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Where's /pol/ when you need them?

>>153735574
What did you think dwarves where based on?

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I found a real-life dwarf fortress
http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/09/bizarre-ant-colony-discovered-in-an-abandoned-polish-nuclear-weapons-bunker/

>The wood-ant ‘colony’ described here – although superficially looking like a functioning colony with workers teeming on the surface of the mound – is rather an example of survival of a large amount of workers trapped within a hostile environment in total darkness, with constantly low temperatures and no ample supply of food. The continued survival of the ‘colony’ through the years is dependent on new workers falling in through the ventilation pipe. The supplement of workers more than compensates for the mortality rate of workers such that through the years the bunker workforce has grown to the level of big, mature natural colonies.

Ant-fort when?

What's the deal with baron consorts? I've been getting some asking for residency.

>>153717304
stop shilling yourself here you insufferable faggot

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>>153734793
kek

I'm getting kind of bored of my first real fortress without the quickstart guide. It's lasted a few years already, two FB attacks and a goblin invasion, and with 130 dorfs it doesn't look like it will fall anytime soon
Do I just retire or do I wait for something to rek the fort?

>>153737731
Make your own fun. Start messing with lava and minecarts and shit.

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I'm posting boat until we get boats and fishing in DF

>>153738942
>vermin

Sure you don't mean critters?

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>>153735701
>sim ant was over 25 years ago
>no gf
>still virgin
Kill me

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>>153739031

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>>153738942
>he thinks shitposting on 4chan will affect the development of a game

Is it possible to get live large fish from traders? I want to make a huge aquarium in my inland fort.

>>153740673
Nope. You can get amphibians though. Go get those giant pepes for your aquarium.

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>>153723878
Yar, set it to be built, designate it all with enough lumber, then choose them as a worker and leave. I did this with a bunch of elves when the update came out, then kicked them into a volcano when they were done.

>>153735701
Well that's horrific in a weird way.

>>153732520
>keas arrive at your camp as soon as you embark
>everything is stolen
>fucking dindu birds

>>153742071
>tfw I can tell that despite not knowing what 'dindu' is, I shouldn't use it in polite company

>moody Dorf is taking adamantine wafers
Is there any chance for Glass Furnace producing weapon or armor artifact?

>>153742252
Dindu is a /pol/tard meme. It is how niggers say "Didn't do" in america. It is usually followed by nuffin

>>153742481
>4 wafers wasted on earing.

Why should I play this instead of gnomoria?

>>153742584
What would I do without you anons reminding me that the rest of 4chan is a shistering fethole of vum and scillainy?

>>153743070
Wrong question mate.

>Do you want to take part in creating your own crazy emergent stories? Play df.

>Do you want to play a game? See if you can get the key to those handcuffs out of your thigh with your teeth before the room fills with scorpions, you have 90 seconds until it starts.

>>153743070
You shouldn't. Shame you wasted your time here. Bye.

>>153734273
>tfw in v.63.08 dwarves start using perfume to affect their carisma rolls and gain social buffs
>You are a peasant in adventure mode, destined to spend the game living of the land and saving money to go to the city and search fortune
>Your older sister traded your hand-made *wood sword* for some quality perfume
>Youaremyloyalcompanionbutthisstandsbetweenus.jpg
>Fill her perfume bottle with some gremlin sweat from the basement's barrel
>put the perfume on her finely baked +apple pie+

Man, her burial was costly, but that bitch got what she deserved

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>>153735574
We are coming senpai

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>>153744253
It wouldn't be nearly as annoying if only 10 or so showed up once a year

>>153739038
that game was really amazing
>>153739304
>not believing in meme magic
for shame anon-kun
>>153744136
>perfume and smelling
>baking cakes
>Grudges with onee-chan
You won't fool me again anon, DF will not be this comfy, EVER

>>153744527
That would be awful for everyone who isn't bad at DF.

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>>153744253
they learned from the best

>>153744720
>implying DF is hard, not just a question of how anal you want to be
Enjoy your clusterfuck, I like to get to know my dwarves

What is the loodest thing you have done in DF?

I once made a small elven fuccboi in adv mode and teamed him up with a tall human axewoman. I mean it isn't lood by itself, but I'm sure your imagination can fill in the blanks.

>>153739304
After 3 years fo wishing for marek to be gassed, he stepped down as CEO of keen and /egg/ is ushered in a new age of progress.

>>153745332
You shitters bitch all the time about how your forts fall apart when you reach [some arbitrary number of] dwarves. You can pretend it's about learning every dwarf's favorite food or whatever, but you and I both know that you're full of shit. Besides, you can set your pop cap to whatever number you like and increment it as often as you like. The only thing bad in this situation is you.
Some of us have shit to do, and 10 dwarves a year isn't gonna cut it.

lazy newb/ the rapist/ pdate when

>>153746113
hopefully never

>>153745978
Sure thing, expert. Years from now I'm still gonna prefer small population slow paced forts.

>>153746158
I've come to enjoy playing vanilla DF now that I've had to ween myself off the LNP. Having to keep track of the bastard's labors is part of the challenge for me now - makes me feel like an overworked admin at times who makes mistakes and who occasionally just says "fuck it" and lets the morons do what they want while I watch cats play.

>>153747016
Pretty much, I still prefer using the manipulator plugin, which really should be an official part of the game (HAI TOADY, WE KNOW YOU LURK HERE, DO THE WORKFLOW > JOB ORDERS THING FOR MANIPULATOR > Vee Pee eL) and the searches are hard to get by without, while in adventurer mode I just miss being able to pos-edit myself across rivers on the travel map, and launch myself up on buildings and off of mountains.

>>153749708
>HAI TOADY, WE KNOW YOU LURK HERE
he he he

Just used the DFHack probe command to try and figure out what biomes my fortress encompasses, but the only relevant info I seem is what seems to be the biome number (In this case, the first area I checked was 4 and the second 5), but I can't find a list of what those numbers actually correspond to
Or did I just go about this the wrong way?

Are taverns supposed to be job-killing machines? I mean, my ocd can get a break by looking at my 0 idle dorf number, but them little motherfuckers wont start any assignements because of all the socializing they do. Is there a way to have the bar open just a few days a week o by seasons?

>>153749708
>WE KNOW YOU LURK HERE
Stop this stupid meme.

>>153750774
They're not. Dwarves will fuck off to an activity zone when they don't have any available jobs or when a need has been left neglected to the point of distraction. All of those green socialize jobs you're seeing are dwarves that would otherwise be idle from lack of work.

I have one Forgotten Beast stuck on place it appreared, on edge. Trapped between 2 cave trees.
But I should free it now.

>>153751134
...which is exactly what Toady would say if it was him!

>*whips off mask to reveal it was actually Old Man Withers the whole time*
>wat

do you think the guy who wrote the meatgod's story browsed 4chan?
Why would he decide to post his weird ass erotic deviances on a dwarf fortress related forum?

>>153755034
For the memes of course. He had to know the shitstorm that it would cause.

>>153755034
someone post the equestria fallout mod pic please

>>153755034
>don't mention le obok meatgod xDDd
worst bay12 meme desu

>>153735840
Barons need bitches. What else do you need to know?

Hi, I'm building a walled area above my fort at the moment, like a castle. And I read somewhere that walls can now be climbed, Can my retracted drawbridges also be climbed? How can I make my walls not climbable?

>>153757432
make the wall higher than one level
build with blocks
make an "overhang" on the top

The last one will stop creatures from climbing over the wall entirely, while the first two will just slow them down.

>40d version
>most dorfs near breakdown because of being triggered by corpses
>haulers do shitty job and most of food and corpess are rotting and generate miasma
>Im trying to dig to Hell
>duke is one of dorfs who often trow tantrum or is oblivious
>mayor spend large part of her duty to be yelled by random citizens in her office full of vomit
>mayor status "Everything is Fine"

>>153758396
That's not 40d. That's .40. Very different versions.

>>153759465
Pfff I know. Noticed it after posting.

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>>153757960
You can also use a fortification hanging over the edge to stop climbers, but your tards will jump through to bash shit with their crossbows randomly.

>>153751309
So i should let them small fuckers drink themselves to oblivion just because i pushed them a bit too hard with the production of valuable and tradeable goods? Wasnt aware my dorfs were a bunch of sissies.

>>153763747
They're going to drink themselves to oblivion anyway. Having a tavern doesn't affect the frequency that dwarves need to drink.

I started in the year 125 and am now in the year 126, and a dwarf migrated to my fortress that is 114 years old, and has mad social skills, Is good in 3 parts of the metal industry, but has no kills on his name according to Dwarf Therapist.

Is this a regular dorf? Or is he a vampire?

>>153766243
>no kills

I don't think he's a vampire and using Therapist for checking is cheating

I'm capable of playing without it, but I do miss Therapist. I hope it comes back soon, it's hard to make giant sweeping changes to labors without it

>>153766551
I thought Rapist was working for for the non-x64 version?

>>153766243
>>153766349
Order engravers to made his image in stone. You should knew if he is vampire or not.

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>>153769297
Not him, but I see a problem here.

Vamps all use false identities in fort mode. In order to find the vamp in the image creator, I'm pretty sure that you need the "true" name used by the hist fig, as opposed to the false name you see in-game.

I might be wrong, of course.

>>153769913
Actually not. If you type his name , image creator will show vampire true name instead and will describe him as vampire. However it could be bug and be fixed at some point.

>>153764907
They wont? Ive read quite a few tales about how dorfs magically drop dead at taverns, beign the cause of death asphixia. Them idiots forget to breathe cause they are too busy gulping booze

>>153764907
Just noticed i missread you. Thought you said "wont drink themselves...">>153770530

>>153770530
You can see it in adventurer mode, tavern keepers stop serving drinks for exactly two things: death and sleep, as in they won't serve a dead or sleeping patron a drink, and they won't serve drinks while dead or asleep.

If you pass out, barf for an hour, and manage to come out of a coma, they'll happily pass you another mug.

It was kind of annoying when I was first trying to collect dance forms and whatnot since spontaneous dances aren't as common as stories and poetry, so I'd set myself up with a bunch of crap in my backpack until I was moving at 0.099 speed and then just hold down right/left up against a wall so I kept bashing into it repeatedly to zoom time forwards faster.

Pretty soon half the bar is dead.

l made stockpiles for everything :D

>>153773313
no masterwork clutter for you

>>153773967
fuck :(

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>>153770491

>>153775464
at least you'll get rid of the annoying blinking items in the trade depot

>>153770530
As long as the dwarves are in the tavern, the tavern keeper will continue serving them drinks, whatever their activity is, which leads to idle dwarves and visitors dying of alcohol poisoning. That isn't the same as dwarves stopping work to drink, which they do with the same frequency as they always have. The purple uninterruptable needs-maintenance jobs don't last long enough for a dwarf to drink himself to death. Busy dwarves won't be in the tavern often enough for it to be a concern at all, as the green jobs are just things they do when idle. If you keep your dwarves busy you'll almost never see one of your citizens die of alcohol poisoning.
Alternatively, just don't have a tavern keeper. Dwarves can get their own drinks just fine when they're thirsty.

>>153735701
>there's even a corpse stockpile outside the secondary colony
my god that's uncanny

>>153775559
So... were they playing a ball game of some sort?

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>>153735701
Now I know why I started liking dwarf fortress
I've had ants colonies since I was a little lad, and those motherfuckers sure were disturbingly persistive
>tfw you realize ants also farm some type of fungus to eat

>>153778129
Oh god, why hasn't anybody ever suggested procedurally generated sports?

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>>153779872
Please no. The current sports we have are just fine. Procedurally generated ones will ruin it just like instruments did.

>>153780156
>bashing on procedurall instruments
Your stupidity does nothing but to reinforce my need of games with random rules and roles, and international competitions for easing the tensions between civs

>>153779872
They're in at the moment in a placeholder format, check legends or storytelling and you'll see shit like battle axe throwing contests and footraces and so forth.

>>153780547
> df
> team sports
> for easing the tensions between civs
How about NO?
If we'd ever get procedural sports, there absolutely should be some kind of hooliganism with it.

>>153779872
It has been suggested. Multiple times. And discussed in FotF at least once that I can recall.

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Climbing was a mistake.

>>153782045
I really hate that climbing up got implemented, but climbing down did not.

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>>153782045
He climbed up 10z to the rescue scaffolds from the last time this happened that I hadn't gotten around to deconstructing yet. Instead of down 1z to the ground right below him.

>>153782208
They can climb down. They just almost never do unless it's the only direction they can go to allow them to stop climbing.

>>153782638
He climbed 10z instead of using stairs/ramps?

>>153783496
He had a dangerous terrain cancellation when the ground he was walking on was channeled out from under him, and grabbed one of the pillars. Then he climbed up 10z to one of those ramps, going pillar to pillar to reach the one he liked, instead of down 1z to the ramp right below him. It was sheer luck that the one he picked was where another miner was stranded in a previous cancellation-related climbing incident.

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>usually run around with my uberconstruction adventurer race of dorfs
>a dorf is one of my modded steelboned/scaled dragons shaped like a dwarf, basically
>they can fly and shit
>perfect for silly construction in volcanoglaciers right
>also magmaproof
>right now I'm playing a dwarf
>can't fly
>can't see or swim in magma
>just for the challenge of doing similar construction tricks without flight and magma swims
>setting up a scaffold with some ice floors hanging off of it
>you drop 1/7 water from a minecart in mid-air and it's freezing, poof, ice floor
>do it again, poof, ice wall
>make sure you move fast!
>I'm going 9.9 spd from my buff items and shit so np
>go to jump back over to where my companion/helpers are hanging out
>misjudge and land IN the volcano
>fuck
>can't swim in magma if you can't see
>not burning for some reason
>standing on a lava flow
>wtf
>figure I'll have to crash the game to get out
>dropping water out of a minecart while swimming in magma does this!
>hit my macro > reaction > make water in cart > drop water
>game didn't crash
>also I'm not swimming
>travel over a square and back to my camp so I end up back on the worksite
>no fucking clue how I survived this unharmed
>pic related
>memory afterimage of the lava flow I was standing on

>>153784538
That sounds like a bug. Or bugs. Though I have idea what one would title such a bug report.

>>153784834
*no idea

>>153778129
It would appear so.

>>153779323
>>tfw you realize ants also farm some type of fungus to eat

Honey ants also farm aphids for their nectar in exchange for protecting the aphids.

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>>153784834
Well, standing on a lava flow SEEMS to be survivable because unlike items which are destroyed instantly, living creatures are able to, uh... swim above them, as magma crabs do, so the game gives a bit of wiggle-room there?

I've knocked people into the open pits in the troll rooms under dark fortresses before and had them make a multiple-cavern layer 3 point shot down to where water was draining onto a magma flow before, and I remember being baffled at them just chilling out on the flow.

At first I assumed it was because of the water landing on them, but they ended up dying when they got too far from where they were standing.

I assume if I hang out down there on a flow long enough I'll die, hell, I guess I'll go ahead and test that real quick.

Incidentally here's some of the scaffold I was making, dropping an ice floor into magma with a structure in place clears the tile right above the structure briefly, dropping an ice wall the same way would produce a block of obsidian, so I use the walls where there is open space above a magma flow to clear those tiles (teleporting the magma up above where it fell from) and the floors to put walls on top of existing structures for expansion/cleaning up layouts.

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Whats the difference between v0.43.03 (which Dwarf Therapist works for) and v0.43.05 (which it doesn't)?

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>>153787650
>43.05:
>64 bit
>some worldgen bugfixes
>43.04:
>armor damage
>joint damage
>masterwork trade bugfix
>workorder stocks check bugfix
>second library/tavern storage bugfix
>adv mode tribute demand fix
>couple other less major bugfixes

>>153787513
Well my first test I landed near what I had built and started bleeding when I was moving, but I was able to repeat the water drop on a magma flow to stop swimming trick, and dropping it while swimming crashed the game directly as expected.

>>153788063
>43.04:
>>armor damage
>>joint damage
Ah that would be why I haven't encountered these yet.
From what I've heard about them, I'm hesitant to update.

>>153699205
I AM A DWARF!
DIG DUG DONE
I AM A DWARF.....where has all the milk toast gone?

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>>153788063
I dropped on the same tile I landed on at first, was able to keep dropping water on the lava flow and hang out for a while without getting hurt but then it all burst into steam and I started melting, so I swam around to see what I could do.

I couldn't climb up out of the lava into the structure I had built, but you can see the smoke from where I was burning underneath it, so I went over to walls at the edge of the volcano and climbed out that way, went down into the structure, then climbed back up the stairs and decided to see if I could put myself out with water dropping, but apparently my blood puddle+water=block of ice so I killed the process and went back to building.

>>153789514
Eh, it's annoying in the sense that you've gotta track that shit now, but it's nice having that new factor to combat, and ends up being a difficulty boost which is something various anons and posters on bay12 seem to think would be nice.

Plus the 64 bit release is a big step towards a lot of shit, it's already faster in situations where the 32 bit version was lagging, just from my own testing I noticed it in world-gen, where 64 bit worlds ran to the same target year (300 in my case) completed a minute and a half or so earlier while having a couple thousand higher population totals, and running the same world gens for a set time period (I forget how many minutes I did it, 3 or 5 or something?) resulted in the 64 bit gaining a couple of years (like 184 vs 186?) with the same 2k or so higher population count.

Means it will help stretch out shit where your old favorite fort was running slower, giving more breathing room before you hit the same point where you can't keep going.

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Domold, the only successful monarch any of my forts ever had, even though he drowned.

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>>153787513
This is the goal with the ice shit btw, there is a previously built structure under the ice there, but I wanted to expand it more so I need to clear the magma, dropped the ice floors you see here and I can build right on top before the magma floods in.

>>153790802
We <3 you Timbukdrew, you know that right?

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This one depicts the natural hate between goblins and dwarfs. even at young infant they have been known to brawl.

>>153791180
Love you guys too.

>>153791007
>he drowned
Sounds like there's a story there.

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>>153792136
>tfw timbukdrew still haven't made any high school themed DF pics

>>153792898
>>153793419
Requesting an explanation of the drowning via a school days montage!

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>a migrant has arrived
>adequate woodcutter

>>153794390
That at least means he brought a free axe with him right? Draft him to the military.

>>153795195
I have plenty of weapons and plenty of military. What I don't have is plenty of trees to cut.

>>153794390
What about caverns?

>>153795871
You're right. After I've magma'ed away the deadly blood all over all 3 cavern layers, run out of the hundreds of logs I've traded for, and my other 3 (very rusty) woodcutters have died I'll be really glad this adequate woodcutter travelled halfway across the continent to contribute his considerable skill to my fort.

He's never going to chop down a tree here, and his axe will be melted.

>>153698703
I have a demons slab. How do I summon it in the vault?

This game has changed so much over the years. I remember back when terrifying was not only playable, but basically required to get any kind of challenge out of the game. Also, I made a gas-chamber using a forgotten beast, lol.

I was thinking about picking this game back up, but I still have no idea how to make training work, and just thinking about the amount of reading I'd need to do to figure it out is mind blowing.

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>>153797118
You don't, you go track it down and then tell it you're in charge and it is your bitch, and then use it to build a temple for you before banishing it for laughs.

>>153797442
>but I still have no idea how to make training work
It's actually pretty easy
>Get military squad
>Get equipment needed for squad
>Make uniform telling them to equip the stuff
>Assign uniform to squad
>Set squad as Active/Training
>Put down an armor rack somewhere and designate it as a barracks
>Assign barracks to squad
>Leave dwarves to train 24/7, confident in the fact that unhappy thoughts do literally nothing anymore and there are absolutely no negative effects of leaving them permanently active

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>page 10 is not a state of mind here in /dfg/
>it is a way of life

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>>153698703
brother's i am trying to learn how to play as the warlocks. I am a 2016 piss baby dwarf. I am running it on a mac and already feel at a disadvantage. Regardless i am hoping i can get it to work, for my faith in armok is strong. Masterwork is moved to raw/objects, proper races have been added to object entity.txt still have no idea what i am doing.

any suggestions/advice is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

>>153800747
Move raw/objects to root/trash, go here and download the regular df: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/ then learn how to mod in shit like warlocks and whatnot.

God, I am unbinning everything right now and it's such a hassle. Trying to get back into using quantum stock piles when your fort has been going on for a while is a pain in the ass. Having to designate dump on tiles then 'k' looking and toggling dump on the bins, all just to separate the gems, block/bars, goods from the bins. FUCK.

Can you make bins work with quantum stockpiles that use mine cart stops?

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>>153803489
I always designate bin/barrel piles on their own, and forbid both from my qsp feeders and piles directly.

>>153804014
I don't understand what you said. Maybe from the lack of sleep.

You mean you keep bin barrels at 0 for feeder stockpiles and QSPs? I'm afraid I'm going to fuck up and allow bins and then they start putting crap into it.

Are you able to make a QSP with a bunch of bins like finished FINISHED goods?

What's your average FPS in the game once you establish your fort? I'm getting about 45 fps with temperatures disabled and 200 population on 4x4 embark.

>>153804950
Also do you guys tend to dump all the stone for your stockpile and workshop rooms? I'm thinking it's faster than smoothing atm, also hiding stone won't help stone blocking some stuff in stockpiles.

>>153804950
50 fps, 3x3, 100 pop

id was inebitable

God damn workshops are too hard to see on vanilla graphics.

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>>153804212
===========
===========
=Bins/Barrels=
==Only here==
===========

~~~ <- arbitrary distance

=== <- QSP feeder, no bins/barrels
=[]= <- trackstop/minecart
+=+ <- QSP

In this picture here, the two large piles to the northwest/east are barrels/pots for drinks, with the main qsp down in the middle. I don't like to fuck with bins due to never getting them in my rotation back in 40.xx and just ignoring them generally.

Do you guys tend to have a single industry or multiple?

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God damn these workshops are barely visible.

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;_;

>>153809482
The trick is to always use a bright contrasting stone block for workshops. Microcline, cobaltite, serpentine, olivine, cinnabar and orthoclase are your friends here. If you somehow have none of these, then you can always use DFHack to change some rock blocks to them. It's not like the change will be anything more than cosmetic anyway. As far as I'm aware none of those stones are magma safe or worth more than other less colorful stones.

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>>153810371
Don't really have those in supply.

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Post df smugs

>>153810647
I see 29 cobaltite. Rock blocks turn one boulder into four blocks. Just tell your masons to make ~20 cobaltite blocks and you should have plenty for all your workshops.

>fort gets an immigrant from one of my other forts I retired
>said immigrant was a militiaman, gets shoved into a new militia
>a werebull comes, fucks up some sheep and kills three dwarves
>this veteran, one of a few that have come only to be drafted once more, approaches the werebull
>punches every single tooth out of that fucker's mouth with one strike, making any werebeast infection impossible
>proceeds to chase down the fucker once he transforms back and snaps his spine before kicking his head in

Point being it takes some serious balls to punch a werebeast's teeth in.

Boo yeah, got a legendary gem setter from artifact crafting.

>Urist has been stung by a honey bee!
Is this bad enough to warrant an announcement?

>>153813116
you'll be glad for it once the creepy crawlers start ambushing and crawling inside your dwarves

>>153812186
What was his old fort like, this guy could have seen it all already and a werebull might have been like -3/10 on his fear scale.

>>153809137
All of them every fort. Why wouldn't you? By the time you've got 50 dwarves you could specialize in every labor and have plenty left over for military.

About to see how my single candy-clad grand master axeelephantman fares against a 90 man goblin invasion.

>>153814673
The old fort they came from was certainly a lot rougher.

Not only were there constant hordes of a hundred or more elf or goblin armies that would promptly be knocked to pieces by mace, axe, bolt and fist (ironically mostly fist because I trained everybody as wrestlers for at least a year before giving them weapons), but there was constant turmoil in the fort with dwarves getting really upset over trivial reasons. It was cramped,crowded, and despite being enormously wealthy there was a dwarf beaten to death every couple weeks or so either by a tantruming dwarf upset that they didn't get their favorite food for a few years or said tantrummer getting their neck punched into ground beef and suffocating on the floor after the fortress guard came to punish them for disturbing the peace.

I would have wondered why they'd leave that fort but looking back despite it having a huge tavern full of visitors from all over the place, an unbeatable militia covered in steel, temples for every god and a grand library filled with the knowledge of the world, rooms for all dwarves and unceasing floods of food and drink, it was honestly a huge shit hole.

>>153817246
Good luck, I feel like the new damage system will see them killed after about 15 dead goblins

Also what the fuck have you done to get sieged? And is there a way to get attacked within the first year?
I lowered the siege population requirement under goblin entity, so far nothing has changed.

>>153818327
Under a year? I don't think you can, outside of necromancers who don't care about population. You've just gotta stack wealth and gobbos will eventually come if they have a functional site within range of your embark.

>>153817246
n-never mind, a few of them fell into the river fighting a random visiting crossbowman and drowned sending half of them sprinting off the map like pussies, then some more got shredded by a couple of traps and the rest of them sprinted off too. My axeman only got to chew through like 5 of them. Pretty lame.

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>Dwarf Therapist still hasn't updated

Also I updated the OP so use the new one next thread please and thank you.

>>153817881
So pretty much the average dwarf fort.

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>>153817603

plump helmet man plump helmet man tissue

>>153823049
Just... dang, propshaft done wrapped my bones all up... I mean... dang.

>>153815465
Because I only have 60 male working dwarves out of 200 for some reason.

How much FPS do you lose from not using QSPs? I kind of love the charm of organizing stockpiles and running out of room.

>>153781061
No way, really?
>>153781617
Well, that's just added fun
>>153781647
Really, what did Toady say?

>>153829050
I've never used them

>>153829561
What's your fps, and what pop and embark?

>>153829561
Do you use bins as well?

>>153829561
what about barrels

do you use barrels?

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Uhhhh, is this normal?

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>>153830807
Yes.

>>153830807
he's a dwarf

>>153830807
Babies and children do like their alcohol.

Why the fuck do I have an elf poet making me wooden bolts?

What is your DF jam? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjbUB6fnefI

>>153831874
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6FXeupOp04

Are dwarves able to make crafts from blocks? Is there no reason to turn all the stone in your fortress into blocks?

>>153831874
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfAm8NeguFs
for when that non-organic, deadly dust forgotten beast attacks
shit quality on youtube tho

>>153832229
Aside from certain buildings, they can't make anything from blocks.

Why is it so shitty trying to get ore from caravans? I put magnetite on the highest importance and I get only 4 from the caravan. I only have copper on this embark for fucks sakes.

>>153830974
Because his rhymes are so fresh, he'll shoot you dead? Or maybe his rhymes are as bad as mine so he has to take up a practical craft.

Oh what the fuck. I tried stripping my prisoner qsp and I let out a bunch of vermin into my fort.

>>153832745
So citizens that came to perform can now do labours? But can't do labours if they're long-term guests?

>>153832724
Really need advice on this as copper sucks ass.

Is it just me or is it incredibly easy to cheese invaders with drawbridges, etc?

>aboutt to ask if adamantine vein around molten rock means its right way to get to hell.
>"You have discovered an eerie cavern.

Nevermin.
I wonder if that one possesed kid will finish artifact.

>tfw no humans or elves nearby
>missed first dwarf caravan cause forgot to make depot
>missed second trade because trader didn't know the item values and offered too cheap a trade
time to wait another year again

>>153833126
you could try to find cassiterite or get some tin, then you'd be able to make bronze

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>>153833126
Maybe try buying the other items outright? Such as the bars, weapons, etc.
I know that's kind of a shitty suggestion, but you did this to yourself (assumingly) when you chose this embark

It appears that one of my dwarves got in a fight, but there's nothing in combat records about it, what gives? She's got yellow lung wounds, though nothing about those mentioned in her description, is being carried to the hospital and has thoughts about having been fighting.

>>153832724
>>153833126
Well, you could try getting them to bring all types of ore, bars, and metal objects to melt. It won't be efficient, but that's about all you can do.

>>153833786
I didn't find it up to -60 z-level.

>>153833851
dig dig dorf

>>153833842
How do you do your embarks? I've done plenty of forts, but most of the time I never have anything good on embarks.

>>153833907
Are you trying to tell me to dig up *insert hidden fun*? Not yet.

>>153833710
>missed second trade because trader didn't know the item values and offered too cheap a trade
That has never happened to me, even with a completely untrained broker. You have to annoy them repeatedly to get the dwarven traders to go away early.

>>153833982
And that's what I did

>>153833982
I'm not sure if this helps, but I think it does. Try trading in small quantities and get successful trades and you can get the person who you're trading with have a happier mood about trading, it should say so in the top. More successful trades makes them happy.

I'm getting around 30 fps now, FUCK.

>>153834952
Funny, I manually set my fps to 60 and 30. I don't like it when things go so fast I can't keep track of anything.

Is a hammerer even needed? I haven't noticed any deaths/murders in my fortress.

>>153835303
Same with captain of guard.

>>153835303
I don't think the justice system is fully implemented. Most appointed nobles are just for flavor and aren't necessary.

>>153831874
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljGMhDSSGFU

>>153835083
I do a lot of pausing, so it's annoying waiting.

>>153833126
Edit the raws so you can craft stone hammers.

>>153833368
Yes. You can also just set up a corridor filled with cage traps and imprison entire invasions in 5 seconds.

>>153836590
I would rather accept my demise.
>>153836683
Exactly.

Why do I have goblin crossbowman and poet as visitors/citizens to my fort? What the fuuuuuuck? I am not familiar with these updates.

>>153835303
>>153835376
>>153836406
So...not only justice nobles, but what nobles you envision are gonna be created in the next years?

>>153831874
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha7Eun4kzAY

also, the street sign captchas have gone too far

Hello 30 FPS, my old friend...

What do you guys use to do strip mining, etc? I don't like holding down shift and waiting with arrows keys designating lines.

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All of the texture packs I've seen look like AIDS, but I do like the sprites they have for items and shit.

Are there any texture packs that leave the terrain as ASCII, and only alter the appearance of items on the ground?

>>153839053
gemset is perfect if you want graphics that conserve the ascii aesthetic

>>153839053
You can use the original tileset but update certain items & creatures raws.

>>153839053
You're looking for the dfhack plugin Text Will Be Text and overrides specifically.

>>153838705
Well first I like to put on something with a nice blues-y feel to set the mood, then I slide out of my top, grab my pick, and start pounding it into a thick veiny lode of ore.

What does a brown ¼ symbol mean? I think its fucking up my trade depot access.

>>153842215
tree root?

>>153842215
Use 'k' to look at it.

>>153842215
Press k and hover over it.

>>153842340
>>153842565
>>153842593

Oh yeah, I got it.
There was a tree 2 Z-levels above it

i was just confused because theres no way to remove tree roots in isolation - you have to order your dudes to cut down the main tree.

thanks lads

Can you use wheelbarrows for dumps? I like to dump stone out of my stone to make it clean as waiting for the room to be smoothed takes a while.

>human caravan arrived
>invading demons are near surface

If I size his stuff , will stay on map or go away?
I probably just leave them until demons reach them.

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>on embark
>name one dwarf 'RealJew'
>he becomes mayor
>he keeps becoming re-elected
>he becomes a baron
>is both a baron and mayor

Are danger rooms still ridiculously overpowered where afterwards your dwarves can kill dragons with ease?

>>153843180
Go ahead and try it.

>>153847317
No, they're just normally overpowered now.

>>153847317
no, but they're still useful
normal training is pretty strong now though

>>153842909
>no way to remove tree roots in isolation

Pretty sure dwarves can dig through tree roots just like through soil or stone.

I think I just had a swarm of buzzards send a human caravan running for the hills, and they dropped a shit ton of stuff in the panic. I'm not thrilled about it, but I guess free stuff is free stuff. Anybody else had something similar happen?

Having 2 types of demons with web attacks reduced any fighhting chance my fort had. Even if many of them are made from stuff like ash, snow or steam.

>>153852779
What about Crossbow dorfs or ballistas?

Fort almost wiped out, below 10 dorfs and migrants arrived.

>>153852779
Ambush them at stairs or corners.

>>153853398
Marksdwarves were screwed too, if I prepared better it could change something. But I didn't focus on preparing that much.

>>153853598
from what?

>>153853819
You didn't prepare very well for releasing clowns?

>>153853981
I just wanted to reach Hell and destroy fort that way.

>>153854203
Oh well if you wanted to end your fort that's the way.

Need emergency help, my brewery isn't able to brew alcohol and randomly stopped. There's 60 empty barrels in my furniture quantum stockpile but that's what the brewery is complaining about, no empty barrels. I tried reclaiming the quantum stockpile to double check for forbids. I tried deconstructing the brewery and constructing it again. Nothing seems to be working.

>>153855125
Found the issue, long story. I made a burrow for my magma artisans, and I made the dining room also a meeting hall. Then a bunch of pilgrims came down to the magma meeting hall and drank all the booze down there with my dwarves dying of thirst due to the burrow. So I extended the burrow to the main floor dining. However, the burrow that was extended to the main floor had restrict options setting on (had no idea what that did until now). Problem solved.

Are you able to make make minecarts dump at a stop but also keep moving to go back to its original position without help of a dwarf pushing it?

It will take some time until it will be over. Only one demon reached top (having one big trail of dead dorfs and animals on this way) while others are busy destroying stuff on lower levels.

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>>153857934
Got it.

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>>153857230

FB arrived. When Demon invasion is near end.
I hope they will fight.

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>leave my buds to work on the camp
>head out to start getting some respect
>first town has an elf lord
>tell him about shit I've killed
>demand tribute
>he says no
>tell his bitch ass to yield
>he does
>still won't pay tribute
>pinch his ears off
>still nothing
>grab his knife from him when he tries to stab me
>demand tribute again
>still won't do it
>hope your pride is worth it bud

>>153860591
It was organic winged maggot and was killed by snow quadruped demon.

Any reason to build a structure above ground with wooden blocks instead of logs? I know the value of doing it for stone but curious about wood.

>>153861920
Im really expecting more psychology updates to come to DF, to make blatant shows of cruelty like this to have impact in the game
You know, Toady has talked about more complex relations menus, both in fort and adv. mode, where your short and long term opinions and thoughts on each person you know are represented.
In my perfect DF version, Hardcore experiences like this should really impact the opinion you have about somebody, and more than possibly give you traumas and mental problems

>>153862382
I think you get more constructions using blocks instead of logs as a log gives more than 1 block I think. Just a guess.

>>153863962
Nah, default reactions will only give 1 block per log.

The only benefit of using wood blocks to logs is that the wood blocks will be lighter and take less construction time.

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>>153862828
Well, you do talk about being horrified over stuff until you get hardened to the sight of death, which usually involves developing a need for booze as a nice touch.

Interestingly, while trying to get another lord to pay tribute I greeted one of the high priest dudes who is apparently none too fond of said lord.

How do I get dwarves out of caverns once they're in there?

>>153865754
They will go out the way they came. Unless they fell in, in which case you need to make stairs.

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>>153865553
Huh, looks like df has frenemies?

Anyone got a script example of autohotkey working with shift arrow keys? I want to make lines of digging for strip mining faster.

Dorfs will sleep on hospital beds, even with little injury while demon is in room.

>>153865553
nah man, I mean deep phobias or mental problems deriving from great stress situations
It's just that the actual stress system is a bit dissapointing
Im a such a bad person for wanting dwarves to 'lose it' and fall to the ground crying when they hear about the 'great war that happened 30 years ago where he lost his arm and his wife'?

>game crashes while saving
>want to avoid Fatal Nemesis crashes
>backups were disabled
>use windows previous versions of the folder
>the date was 1 hour behind but realized after pasting it was as well a couple days older
Welp, there goes my fort.
Theme of my fort: https://youtu.be/eVTXPUF4Oz4?t=54s

>>153869125
I haven't been to this general that much, has toady ever talked about this, or atleast mentioned rehauling the stress system?

>>153869125
Yeah, I'm sure that will come in bit by bit, I expect parts of it will come from the magic system, otherwise a lot of the effects wouldn't work right.

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And Demon invasion is over, my noob fort is finished.
I will play around legends for while and maybe try adventure to visit ruins, and will do game upgrade at some point.

These are clowns who visited me

>>153705961
she's literally being their semen demon

>>153870846
oh, good to know
>>153871167
So... any news on sexual relationships, now that the subject passes by?

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>>153871821
None yet.

Weapon traps full of large serrated discs that fling stuff into lava is causing my game to crash--which sucks. Looks like it's a problem nobody has found a good solution, does anyone have any great ideas?

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I adv world generated a world and edited some creatures raw to gas the gays out of the game. Is this supposed to be normal to have Giant Toads as neighbours?