/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

Op pic is kinda nice. I've experimented a bit with creating maps in GIMP, using the exported detailed maps, but I've always gotten stuck at placing the civ borders.

Also, having a separate mastershit thread is genius move.

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>three threads

based three threads edition

>>153277634
>>153277662
Well I checked the archive before creating this one, turns out I created it 8 seconds after the first one.

>>153278197
Post times say this one was first.

>>153279103
Oh, wait. You meant the mastershit edition. Well, fuck that thread.

Usually when I search wtg in the catalog it's the war thunder general sperging out and making three different threads

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>>153277634

>>153280143
Oh well shit, I didn't notice someone made a thread at almost the same time.

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>>153280778
Migrated back over here btw, I guess I didn't refresh the catalog that last time.

how to become a mist zombie?

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>getting the hang of it now
>start new fort
>this is to be my triumph
>all forts have been super quiet so far
>I haven't lost once
>what was that about difficulty
>anyway find the perfect place etc
>everything goes smootly

>it comes autumn, and sandstone approaches
>a caravan has arrived
>fuck them, I don't need anything at this stage
>go on about my dwarven lives
>and suddenly
>The Weresloth Thad Uthorosnonu has come!
>Now you will know why you fear the night.
>oh fuck
>defenses are nonexistant
>I have like 19 dwarves and 100% them are in immediate danger
>i built a bridge to act as a panic seal of the whole fortress
>just one thing
>no lever
>panicingly try to hook up the bridge to a lever before the monstrosity enters our lives
>"the caravan is leaving"
>that's what I would do
>rush a dwarf up to the bridge on a suicide mission
>and before the entrance I see
>the mangled corpse of the monster
>in a pool of blood
>mfw when the leaving merchants slashed the menace in half single handedly on their way out
>mfw I lost three dwarves to that fuck
>mfw a group of random merchants saved our whole fortress from absolute devastation

>>153281543
>find mist
>hope it makes you a zombie

All there is to it.

>>153281907
>tfw a weremonkey came and attacked my first fort when I had 20 dwarves
>tfw after like 2 minutes he turned back into a goblin for some reason
>my tormented dwarves maul him to death after watching 8 of their own die

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>>153281907

>>153281907
Werebeasts are fucking annoying. It's even worse when they kill a bunch of people and then morph back and get away with it because no one chases them down and kills them.

>>153283648
>had a werebeast kill a bunch of dorfs
>turns back into a human, everyone immediately ignore it
>hunting dog corners it and tears it limb from limb
>then returns to the corpse of his master and stays there
Loyal dog. Good dog.

>>153283648
Werebeasts are no threat as long as you know what you're doing. Even if worst comes to worst, you can still use profession nicknames to keep track of everyone who got bitten.

Whether the beast gets away has very little impact, since most worlds have so many of them that you never kill off all of them in a single fort.

>>153285403
It doesn't matter how much you know what you're doing when they decide to attack early in the first year. Unless you embark with weapons and armor and abuse danger rooms you're not going to have a military that can handle one yet.

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Just randomly remembered this from one of the last games I played as long as df.

>be me
>playing ffxi
>totally not addicted, but really am
>hanging out in the aery with a friend and their shell
>early morning
>fafhogg still hasn't popped
>jp shell is there
>they're bullshitting and talking shit to a na shell up there with us
>I start getting involved after overhearing something
>one of the catgirls said something about "storking"
>ask if they meant like a heron or something
>figure out they meant "stalking"
>we start talking about bird cum
>they ask "what mean cum?"
>before we can say anything
>"like corn beef?"
>mfw I explain that 'yes, when I cum there is an explosion of corned beef'
>I should probably see a doctor about that

>>153285403
Fuck I lost track of guy who was bitten. I guess I can wait until he turn.

Also my vampires stopped killing people in crowned rooms so I spare them from punishment (especially since no important dorfs were killed and I have large population).

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>>153286620

>>153286640
>(especially since no important dorfs were killed and I have large population).
See that's your line of thought right up until they kill your legendary armorsmith. You're playing russian roulette man.

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>>153286935

>>153286620
WHAT THE FUCK are you talking about?

>>153286983
I know. I'm fully aware of risk, but I have large population. And it add some degree of Fun to this.

On other hand, one of those vampires is my queen who so far didn't made any noble demand or mandate. (And she is free to wander into her throne room or whatever instead spending her time in jail what she used to).

Diplomats who are vampires are worse anyway.

>>153287503
Corned beef obviously.

>>153286620
Did you claim faffy at least?

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Death... This is truly horrifying...

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I'm posting boats until we get boats and fishing in DF

it says I am a cave, I see troglydytes, but I see no cave entrance...

>>153292330
Well I'm not sure why you're expecting to see your own entrance. I'm not even sure how you can see at all because caves have no eyes but whatever I guess.

>>153292140
>critters
You mean vermin? "Critter" is not part of the DF terminology.

>on a super trained town slaying vampire grizzly bear man
>traveling to new town
>nightfall
>4 bogeymen
>oh no
>oh shit I just killed all 4 with my teeth, claws and fists

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>>153294035
Well that's impossible anon, haven't you heard that bogeymen are THE STRONGEST enemies in the game?

>>153294717
>haven't you heard that bogeymen are THE STRONGEST enemies in the game
Yeah, because this game is easy as fuck

>>153294717
>>153294717
They weren't nearly as dangerous before gaits were introduced in 0.40. In 0.34, any mid-game adventurer could easily kill off a bogey wave without sneaking(which wasn't nearly as OP as in 0.40 and forward).

>>153294035
>>153295138
>>153295443
They're a lot easier when you charge them to knock them down. Their speed is reduced when they're on the ground so you can land hits more reliably.

>>153291283
Hell I can't even remember what the outcome of that one was, I remember one of them which was a hilarious wipe that took place after I had taken sleeping pills when another ls got claim but were unable to prevent rage, and I remember flailing everyone and getting murdered for it a few times.

>>153295894
Yeah but there's still like 8 million of them and they usually just jump away from your charges unless you're a vampire

>>153296346
Note I took the pills to actually sleep, not like "well fuck, they got claim, time for suicide!" which is how it looks without context and I just spit on my screen from laughing over that.

>>153296357
There's like 4-5 and if you're letting yourself get surrounded you deserve to lose. They are quite fast, you're right, but they're never impossible to hit. Obviously if you're playing a weak adventurer you should just avoid them, but you don't need to be hueg in order to stand a chance.

>>153296729
They spawn surrounding you though, and if you get out of their circle they teleport to you. The only way to keep out of that circle is to be a vampire or necromancer so you can stay on sprint without getting tired.

>>153295443
A mid-game adventurer can still kill off a bogey wave. I was exaggerating to poke fun at the anon from last not-prematurely-dead thread insisting that bogeys were the hardest creatures in the game.

>>153297878
They are though because everything else is wimpola pansy shit that explodes into gore when you breathe on it.

>>153297447
Not at all. Switch to jog and use the multiattack->dodge technique to keep your distance.

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>>153298536
Except hydras, webbing titans/fbs, inorganic dust/deadly syndrome titans, ettins, and night trolls. All of which are more of a threat than a horde of bogeymen, the problem with bogeymen being people trying to outrun them. I learned quickly in my first adventures to keep my speed down, use short waits to let them get close, pingpong them off a tree and dodge away.

>>153299096
>use the multiattack->dodge exploit
Might as well just use DFHack to give yourself masterwork adamantine gear, legendary+5 in all skills and 10000 in all attributes

>>153298536
Night trolls, any demons, angels, titans, or fbs that aren't made of soft materials, any armed and armored weaponmaster sentient, any creature that's been husked or thralled, and every megabeast are all harder to kill and more dangerous than bogeys.

>>153299192
>night trolls
Only a threat if your wrestling skill is shit.
They'll murder you in an instant if you're a newbie adventurer, but once you do some combat training they're a little disappointing.
I'd say they're probably slightly more dangerous than an individual bogeyman, and significantly less dangerous than a full pack of bogeymen.

>>153299447
>any armed and armored weaponmaster sentient
>wrestling
>grab weapon with hand
>mangle their weapon arm while they struggle to regain control of their weapon
>GG EZ
Alternatively
>mangle their leg
>mangle their weapon arm
>GG EZ

Humanoid angels are the exact same thing as bogeymen except armed and armored, with weaker stats, smaller groups and the potential to made of shit like water or whatever. They're the exact same size range as bogeymen and have lower stats, so unless RNG decides to fuck you with angels made of steel or whatever then they are literally just weaker bogeymen who also have weapons.

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>>153299221
>built-in game mechanics is an exploit

>>153300070
Angels can be very large, too large to wear their gear as a dorf even, some are tiny, and some of the delicate ones are dangerous for their own reasons, like exploding into superhot flames when you cut them in half.

>>153300531
>built-in game mechanics is an exploit
Yes? It's going to be fixed eventually. Do you think perpetual motion machines and deconstructing trade depots to steal caravan goods aren't exploits either?
Did you think using training axes for woodcutting wasn't an exploit?

>>153300932
Put up a bug report for it.

>>153301793
There is one, and Toady has already said that he's going to address it.
How new R U?

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>>153300070
>with weaker stats
Their attributes are procedurally genned within given ranges, just like bogeys'.
>exact same size range
No. Bogeys are always under 20k size, humanoid angels are often much larger than dwarves.
>smaller groups
No. Have you ever attacked a vault?
>armed and armored
Makes an enormous difference, especially considering that they're armed and armored with divine metal.

As for the weaponmasters, they have very high defensive combat skills as well. Their combat rolls follow the same rules as a player character's. You can't just walk up and grab their gear or start pulping their body parts any more than a random goblin could do it to you. Unless you use kisat dur exploits, but that's obviously not what this conversation is about.

Guys, I've noticed plenty RimWorld players play also Dwarf Fortress, and vice-versa. Since both generals are slow, and the games are in the same genre, would you mind merging both?

(I'm asking the same question at /rwg/)

>>153306385
What's RimWorld?

>>153306385
No

>>153306656
"Dwarf Fortress meets Firefly".

>>153306828
>Firefly
Ew.
I mean I guess I could understand how it could to appeal to some people but ehhh.

>>153306947
Anyway, nevermind - it looks like people in both generals are opposed to this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf8BzbACjVg

>>153306385
/rwg/ is only a thing because everytime someone tries starting a discussion about here they're run off for off-topic posting. So no, keep your DF clones where they belong. Anywhere but here.

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>>153306385

>>153307040
I mean personally I'm not opposed to merging the generals just because I don't like RimWorld. I was fine with Terraria/Starbound general even though I'm not a fan of Starbound.
It's just that usually when you merge generals one of them just takes over and the other one dies out.

>>153299221
>>153300932
I see no evidence to think its an exploit. It comes at the cost of the unlimited fucking dodges of .34.xx.

It doesn't even make you unhittable or whatever, at a minimum night trolls, angels and of course bogeymen can still hit you while you're dodging away.

>>153300070
"Bogeymen are hard" is a meme left over from .34, in which essentially anything can fuck you up with a good hit. In .34, you can be size 110000 and have a limb be rendered permanently nonfunctional by a fucking ordinary crab clipping you in the leg.

I see angels larger than dwarf size all the time, but there are no bogeymen of dwarf size or above.

>>153306385
Sounds retarded. It would accomplish nothing other than confusing newbies and as a way to funnel more shekels into Rim... oh! I get it now.

>>153307626
Not a clone but a game on the same genre. Still - I get what you mean, most people here would rather see a single game general instead.

>>153307626
>>153306385
>>153308714
Merging the two would be like having the same thread for Starcraft 2 and Red Alert.

>>153306385
No, fuck off. You are cancer and I'm sick and tired of you fags shilling your shit game here.

>vampire grizzly bear man going down cave entrance
>see no one but mole dogs
>kill 1 goblin who is randomly on like 15th floor down
>...

>>153309718
>discovered cavern
>now seeing stone wall fortifications
>did someone build a civ down here or?

>>153312468
>>153309718
>seeing a lot of web

>>153312647
>met a gorlak?
>discovered even farther DOWNWARD PASSAGE

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We've had green devourers, fire men, and now another rarity, an iron man. It's only the second one I've ever seen. It'll probably get killed by the FB roaming around down here, but it's a neat sighting nonetheless.

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So I'm wondering. Would a 4 tile wide hallways with a 1x3 staircase and a 1x1 staircase in the corners be okay or would that lead to pathing lag?

>>153313362
>>153313261
>just btfo a green devourer
>see warm blood cluster
>think it's a civ
>horde of crundles

>>153313565
>using staircases

Don't do this.

>>153313362
Those are some nice colors, anon.

>>153313565
There's not a simple answer to your question. It depends on the rest of your layout.
That's asymmetrical, though, and thus should be dropped in magma.

>>153314201
What, and leave an asymmetrical block of obsidian? Get out.

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>>153314201
Ah I see. Is there a good guide for layouts? I always see this one and it's been called shitty. And yeah I know asymmetry is the devil, I usually do 3 tile long hallyways and thought I might mix it up.

>>153314013
Vherid dark sand with substituted LCYAN and LMAGENTA, but I don't remember which schemes I took the subs from.

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>>153314440

>>153314440
It's not strictly shitty, though it's also no the most efficient possible layout. It's efficient enough for most forts. I personally don't stockpile a lot of those raw materials, dye and thread for example, as I feel it just makes extra jobs when your worker could take them right from the shop. You may feel differently, and that's fine too. I also think high-efficiency layouts are boring after you've done it a few times, but if you haven't it's worth doing just to get a feel for workflows and production chains, and learn how to avoid (or intentionally create) bottlenecks.

>>153315134
Cool, thanks anon.

It was inevitable

dfg please help!

There's a pair of human visitors who tried to leave the map through the edge of the river, and now they're stuck at the very edge of the map in the draining river tiles where the water depth fluctuates between 4-6, so they're not drowning to death. I suspect them swimming there eternally is doing bad things to my fps. How do I get rid of them?

>>153317972
Water depth of 4 SHOULD be drowning them. Are you sure they aren't corpses?
You could always build floors over their heads and force them to drown.

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>>153318185
The whoresons are alive, alright.

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>>153313362
As expected.

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>>153318983

>>153318185
>>153318821
They seem to be very very gradually accumulating injures from the current (currant? ESL) mashing them up against the riverbank, but i think they'll die from old age before their wounds kill them.

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>>153318821
A floor above their heads should assist in curing that unfortunate affliction.
You could also designate some large serrated discs to be dumped into the river upstream. I hear weapon pollution poses a significant risk to aquatic wildlife.

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>tfw your gem windows are out of sync

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>tfw you legitimately forgot that strange moods make the dwarf legendary in that skill
It's been so long since I've had anything other than possessed that I actually forgot WHY I hated possession.
There has got to be some kind of bug going on here. Has anyone else exclusively gotten possession and never fey or secretive since the emotion update? Because that was the last time I got either of those.

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>>153320913
fffff

>>153321549
I'm getting about the same numbers of each as I did before
sorry for your suffering anon

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>>153321564
FFFFFFFF

>>153319214
Unless they're being mashed into the riverbank by fruit it's the current.

>>153276905
Is there a program to gen maps like this or was it done manually?

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>>153319540
>floor above their heads

Built a floor above their heads and then caved it in on them. Did the trick alright! But sadly it didn't seem to generate a combat log.

>>153323062
It was done by hand. If memory serves, that was one of the entries in a contest a cartography club held to draw DF maps.

>>153323062
it was done manually, but it looks like it was with some mapmaking software as opposed to being done from scratch in photoshop
you might ask in /tg/'s world building thread or something

>>153323550
on second viewing, this guy >>153323456 is right
for some reason I thought it was on a hex grid

>>153321549
I haven't noticed any difference. Maybe rng hates you. Statistically someone will eventually be so ridiculously unlucky as to never see a non-possession mood.

>>153322821
Thanks. Always get those two mixed up.

>>153323802
mixing up currants with water can make for some pretty tasty juice, keep it up anon

>>153323772
Well that's apparently me I guess.
I don't even know why possession is a mood in the first place. It should only happen if someone is taken by a mood, then dies before they complete it and then doesn't get memorialized.

>>153324462
that would be FUCKING AMAZING

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HOLY
SHIT
IT HAPPENED
I mean the bitch will probably just end up being a legendary bone carver or some bullshit but at least it's not that fucking pink exclamation mark.

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God. Damnit.

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She made a horse dildo. I'll bet the elves will love it when they come around to visit next year.

>>153324462
I'm sure at some point in the magic/myths cycle toady will revamp all of that, but yeah, it always seemed strange to me that possession was just a straight downgrade with nothing interesting
at least if it gave a much higher % chance of a foreign clothing item or whatever it would be interesting, if not useful

>>153326106
>the held bell

what a nice name, do you randomize them? I always get shit like "the obtuse boat"

>>153326520
>lumbering creature husband Tun Whippedsack

I love this game.

>>153326861
Yeah that one's generated.

>>153326106
Wow, by the way, just hit 2nd spring and have had NO migrants whatsoever. Is it because this is a reclaim? This might be a problem, since I only have 7 dwarves plus my adventurer.

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I fucking love all the new procedural music and poetry

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>>153306385
>since rimworld was made in a few months, the playerbase has already run out of things about it to discuss, and as a result, the general is dying
>in order to solve the ensuing new identity crisis, they try to reach out to a general in the same boat
lol, how about no? memes aside, dfg isn't a dead or dying general, just a slow one.

OH BOY IT'S THE CIRCUS
I just wanted some fucking weapons grade metals. I should have just been satisfied with tetrahedrite.

>>153331257
use the candy to kill the clowns

>>153331368
I didn't fucking get any

>>153331257
Should have made a sarcophagus around it before starting digging.

After that, one should always dig one layer at a time, and make sure to separate the different levels from each other using hatch covers. By locking these hatches in case of emergency, you'll stop the demon hordes; even demons can't break a locked hatch cover from below.

>>153331960
I didn't have the option to build any hatch covers or anything like that. It was hollow all the way to the top.
One second it was "RAW ADAMANTINE! PRAISE THE MINERS!" and then two seconds later "HORRIFYING SCREAMS COME FROM THE DARKNESS BELOW"

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>>153332140
tough luck pal

Well the shitload of clowns crashed my game before they were able to entertain all my dwarves, so looks like I get another shot. My embark has two candy stands, so I'll try my luck with the second one.

I just had a dwarf see some crundle corpses in my corpse stockpile and get overwhelmed with horror, and it reminded me of one fort where I had a massive pit to drop invaders in that doubled as a garbage dump where I threw all my corpses.
For some unfathomable reason, my idle dwarves would go to the pit and just stand there screaming in horror at all the goblin and troglodyte skeletons laying everywhere. There was no reason for them to go there at all, and it was super out of the way so they had to intentionally seek it out. IIRC one of my dwarves died of dehydration because he was too busy screaming to go get a drink. It was the funniest fucking thing I've ever had happen in this game.

>>153336180

>" IIRC one of my dwarves died of dehydration because he was too busy screaming to go get a drink. It was the funniest fucking thing I've ever had happen in this game."

How was this even possible? Did you not have buckets or available water anywhere? I'm pretty sure dwarves get their discipline skill high enough (to stop being huge pussies) to make it across even the longest maps after getting horrified by death enough to make it back to anywhere to feed and hydrate themselves. I thought after walking past like less than a dozen corpses or something like that is enough to get them to stop crying about mortality

>>153336462
I don't even know. I don't even know why they were going there in the first place, let alone how they were still getting horrified by it after the 80th time.

how do i know where to sell shit in adventure mode

Hey dfg, I got a question that you guys probably don't have an answer to but I want to ask anyway

If a minecart carrying items gets full of water (by taking a dip or something) and dumps the items on a grate, will the items go through the grate? I got an idea on how to seal a panic room but still keep it stocked

>>153328618
doesn't this just mean that your civ is basically dead an you're the only dwarves left alive
that would also explain the queen buisness

>>153340372
No, apparently it's a bug that occurs when you start after spring. The cycle just needs to roll back round to spring before it can start.

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Made a thing in commemoration of my dorf fort
I got a bit teary thinking back on it's almost decade long(?) history.

Damn it was eventful

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what other armor pieces do i need to steal before starting to kill things

>>153342024
>Not killing things without armour
You can kill things even without armour, Urist McTincan.
You just need to fight smart and have high agility

>>153342092
yeah but i'm a retard

>>153342116
Typically you want to always aim for the legs/feet arms/hands first, whichever is the easiest to hit initially.

Once you get them to fall down, you can start wailing on the vitals.
stab -> upper torso for a chance at lung or heart damage,
attacking the lower torso to get them to puke and interrupt a retaliation is also good.

Only go for neck or heads if you know you can finish them off in one or two hits, otherwise repeat the aforementioned attacks until he passes out.

>>153342247
i also can't seem to find any (worthwhile) companion
only farmers

>>153342406
yeah it's a bitch to find. You wanna go to fortresses or cities and look for anyone that has a warrior occupation.
i.e. swordman/dwarf, pikeman/dwarf.

If you're too far from a city or a fortress, just look for holding cells in hamlets or such, you can usually recruit people in there.

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>>153342474
alright, I recruited two suicidal guards, and now this lady wants me to save her.

What do I actually need to do?

>>153342702
Look her up in the events, has anyone mentioned her in relation to a kidnapping?
If not, try to find her name among the names and look for where she's from.

>>153342010
nice

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>>153342804
She said there was an army on the march to where she was.
Feel like I'm playing an old rpg where I need a pen and paper notebook near me so I can keep track of what's relevant to me right now

Nothing showed up in events, this is her people page

>>153342937
>lady of the gleeful band
Find the region, find a castle or meadhall, take her to there.
It's not that hard,

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Will my fortress stay under siege as long as I keep this goblin in a cage? I want to use it in my silk farm until it dies of starvation or whatever, but if that'll stop me from getting caravans then it defeats the purpose of my silk farm.

>>153342458
Saladin was Indo-European, so I'd portray him as an ooman. His men should probably be portrayed as elves or dorfs, since both of those races are middle east inspired.

Still pretty solid though. Keep up the good work, Timbuk-kun.

Anons, please help me.
I don't know what to do anymore.

>Be on 64-bit Windows 7
>Everytime I play Dorfs, saves corrupt as soon as I shut off the game
>Turned off save compression, can't even embark
>Turned off TWBT, can embark but saves still corrupt
>Game not in Program Files folder, shouldn't be Windows fucking in on a pit roast
>Even tried installing Masterwork, hoping maybe Satán will grant me his unholy blessing and lets me play
>Saves corrupt still
>Google issues, only find either unresolved bug reports and solutions that don't work for me

Anyone has any idea what I could be doing wrong?
I just want my Dorfs to live long fulfilling lives filled with Fun, instead of being consumed by Armok's IT guy 4-5 seasons in.

>>153343598
Goblins in cages are no longer part of siege.

I often get plenty after each siege. To bad it's little use for them.

Also is Giant Crystal Spider thing in DF or it's modded? (Made it pet anyway).

>>153345879
It's my own personal mod. It's just a giant cave spider made of crystal glass. I wanted to make its webs have a fixed temp of 1000 like nethercap does, but I don't think it worked.

>>153345379
Ok, just to clarify:
You did delete everything DF related on your machine, redownloaded the new version (64bit windows) right off the bay12 website (and made sure the download is not incomplete), and extracted it to a new folder.

You then turned of save compression and generated a new default world. No old save or anything.

You really did these things, all of them, completely and in that order, no cheating;
And you still get save corruption?

>>153346229
I deleted the previous installations, turned off save compression and generated a new world.

The one thing in there I didn't do, is download the 64 bit installation, as I'm using certain DFhack tools (like TWBT which I also turned off for safety's sake), so I install with Lazy Newb Pack.

What bugs me, is that I had the original download put away for safety purposes. I re-installed the same version (this used to work up until at least a few weeks ago), and the issue persists.

What kills me, is that this exact installation from the exact same source (again, had the original download) used to work, so all I can think, is that some 3rd party software is interfering, and I hope someone here has recently run into similar issues.

Maybe I should give up on DFHack and move to vanilla new version, but that wouldn't really help figure out what I messed up in the system.

>>153346501
Wait, which version are you even using? Dfhack doesn't work for the new version.

First of all, do what I said, with the version you intend to use (the last one DFhack works with, I assume).
Test for corruption. If it's all good, install dfhack, test for corruption again. Don't install TWBT, don't install the lnp, ONLY DFhack with nothing enabled.

If that works, enable the plugins you want to use one by one, test for corruption for each one (or do a binary dissection, but once it's fucked up, it might stay fucked up, so I'd advise against that).
If you enabled every plugin you want to use and it's not corrupted yet, you're good to go.

Also, just don't use the LNP - It's really not a good idea to introduce YET ANOTHER layer of possible problems on top of such a complicated install.

And while we're at it: NEVER EVER -- seriously, N E V E R -- extract a new df version on top of an old one, and never use init.txt and other files from old versions without comparing them first.

>>153346823
>And while we're at it: NEVER EVER -- seriously, N E V E R -- extract a new df version on top of an old one, and never use init.txt and other files from old versions without comparing them first.
Oh yeah, no I get that.

What I mean is that when you download LNP, it includes the full DF installation, plus all of DFHack and etcetera.
I just unzipped that again like I've done previously after deleting the previous installation.
I didn't install a new DF version over it, I didn't install a new DFHack version over it, just the exact same files as I had when I installed it last.
Basically:
>Months ago: Download LNP
>Install it
>Play without problems
>Take a few week break
>All of a sudden save corruptions left and right
That's all that happened

But yeah, I guess it would give at least a bit of direction if I'd started from scratch like that.

Still 90% sure this has something to do with a windows update or something of the sort. I don't remember having these issues before.

Ok, I get that big mods like masterwork are not really liked around here but, there sure got to be interesting mods to be played, right?
It can be anything, creatures, arms, illnesses, do you have anything cool you made yourself?

how do I carve bone armor?

>>153347561
If you're an adventurer, you don't :(

If you're playing fortress mode, you tell a bone carver to make bone stuff in a craftsdwarf's workshop, but only certain items can be made.

>>153348613
;_;

where do I get/make giant armor?

>>153347297
My current modlist includes
>A desert orc civ with access to steel and a shitload of tamed animals. Their ethics cause them to usually be at peace with everyone except the elves, who constantly try to attack them. Their caravans come in winter
>Weaver spiders, which are cat sized cave spiders with eggs that can be processed into silk
>Giant crystal spiders, which are giant cave spiders made of crystal glass. Their silk was supposed to be a fixed temperature but I messed it up and can't be fucked to fix it
>Cavesnappers, which are essentially just plump helmets reflavored as venus flytraps for variety
>Trollfur moss, which is a pig tail clone
>Ghostroses. The bushes themselves can be milled into spectral dye, or they can be processed into petals which can then be pressed into oil for soapmaking. Ghostrose soap is significantly more valuable than usual soap because who would choose to smell like crundle tallow when they could smell like roses instead?
I really like making mods. It's half the fun of the game for me. I have a few mods I plan on making eventually too. An alloy of adamantine that just makes it impossibly dense, some kind of elf-vegan metal derived from trees that only elves can work with, and a new secret type that grants dragonfire.
I also had an idea for rock-based creatures that would lay rough gems as eggs, but my first attempt was a disaster. I want to try again eventually though.

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>>153348653
You might be able tell your dwarves to make some in fortress mode, aside from that, I dunno. I don't play adventure mode a whole lot though, so someone else might know more than me.

Speaking of giants, will a giant go away eventually if I cower behind my walls or do I have to kill it?
>listening to Attack on Titan/Shingeki no Kyojin music while a giant attacks my fortress which relies primarily on its walls for defense

>>153348692
Im pretty new to the whole modding stuff, So I don't think I know the limits for modding in this game, what's the most weird thing you could do with it?

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>>153348992
>giantess

>>153348992
Do SNK Titans are possible in DF. Can you have creature what instantly regenerate wounds unless you destroy specific organ?

Been already a month and my dang dwarves won't train. There's only 2 in a squad, set 2 minimum to train in schedule, training in barracks, both have training spears. JUST SPAR ALREADY! I want to build an army.

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>>153353818
>I want to build an army
sounds pretty fascist

have you tried negotiating with the gobbos instead? maybe they'll reward you with some shiny beads or something

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>>153354202
>fascist
Not wanting a homogeneous society. Are you a faggot?

>>153353818
There really should be an option to toggle between sparring to demonstrations.

I think the greatest thing I accomplished in dwarf fortress was catching a dragon and training it to be a war dragon where I would unleash it against siegers and just see crows them turn to ash from the waves of flame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf8BzbACjVg

>>153301914
Would you link it for me? Searching multi, attack, dodge, and so forth under adventurer mode -- combat provides nothing like you describe.

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Unsolicited update from newbie war monger

>Managed to repair the 1 murky pool enough that I was able to get it filled with water, and through use of floodgates and smaller holding tanks and shit I've now actually got a reservoir
>Meanwhile I made it into the caverns, there is no water in the section I've entered but plenty of stuff that isn't sand
>Gatherers keep running off into the depths of the caverns for ??? and dieing, dunno what's going on there
>As a precaution I sent the Pillarmen and their fuccbois (2 schmucks with bows) to the cavern as I entered it
>Meanwhile one of the merchant caravan's guards became a wereiguana
>Big mess, lost about 25 dorfs by the time him and the fuckers he turned were dealt with
>And one of the wereiguanas died in my murky pool, so the only water supply is fully contaminated with blood
>Pillarmen don't seem to really care

bage den

>>153355612
I never bother with caverns unless I have a military. Too much annoyance from dwarves getting killed in there. I just choose to wall off all entrances to caves and dig around them.

>>153355146
Also tried under any besides just the advneture combat section.

>>153357919
>not settling in the caverns

ishiggitydiggity

>>153353818
>a month
They're not going to spar after a month. They won't spar after a season. If they started with some combat skills already, you can expect them to start sparring at ~6-8 months.

>>153357919
I can see the appeal, but I finally found metal so I'm not letting it escape me
Even if it's just lead

Last time I opened up a cavern there was a big lizard creature that emitted dust that turned people into stone. Fucker ended up getting killed by missing a lunge at a kitten and breaking its leg

Has anybody ever been in a position to make bronze?

I always either have no tin or an abundance of iron.

Looks like its finally time for me to man up and get some adamantine. First time ever and I've played for years

>dwarf fortress only has two song tracks
>tfw this song doesn't play once screams come from below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D5Sa2Yq-2g

>>153359616
I guess this is why you always get 2 military dwarves right away so they can teach faster to rookies later on.

>>153360419
personally I don't bother with anything <adamantine for weapons or <steel for armor

>>153360419
My current fort has a lot of tetrahedrite and some other pleb tier ore, but no iron, not even on the deepest levels so everyone gets bronze armor and weapons

>>153360419
many times, I love bronze
I usually set my mineral scarcity to around 4k, and so rarely have iron. tin isn't super-common, but copper is, so if you find tin in adv mode or something chances are you'll be able to make bronze
I like having the option to make fine pewter too

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If a werebeast bites one of my dwarves but only bruises him, but then shakes him around and causes deeper tissue damage, is it possible for him to have also been infected by the disease?

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>no escape from the fps death hell that is starting adventure in a fortress.

Trying to dig magma, it would be easier if magma sea was contected to cavern.

If i want to spend every adventure punching things so hard the part explodes could i make a race that automatically starts with stats high enough? Think vampire levels.

Has anyone here experimented with building adventurer camps in hell? I know camps in the wilderness may attract animal men, I wonder if you can get any followers down in the depths.

Is there no point in using workflow anymore? I returned to Dwarf Fortress and apparently the manager can do what workflow does?

Also why am I not able to dig through molten rock?

>>153362392
Disabling temperature helps.
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/v0.34:Maximizing_framerate

>>153362215
Yes. It still counts as a bite.

>>153362215
no, shaking doesn't count, it says it in the wiki

>>153364808
Cheers mate.

Are goblins "evil"? I felt a little bad following a clothier down a hall punching him to death.

>>153366996
Yes, they're insanely destructive. "Peaceful" goblins are even worse, as they constantly shill for their vile beliefs, infiltrate other civs and breed uncontrollably til one of them is appointed King Of All Dwarves, etc.

>>153367169
Excellent, the true slaughter shall commence.

>>153364651
Anyone?

Finally magma sea and adamtine. Now to set up proper mining.

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Guys so like I can't load a world in legends that smaller or pocket sized? I keep getting this error and I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Can someone please help?

>>153368506
Make sure it's not a problem with a faulty installation (i.e. install fresh vanilla DF and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING else - no graphic set, no lnp, no nothing), and if the error persists, tell the guy that writes the program.

Telling us will obviously achieve absolutely nothing.

>>153368506
I have no trouble with pocket worlds. Perhaps the elves are behind this?

>>153368789
>>153368839

Ah ok, I was just hoping that maybe someone else experienced the error. But thank you for the advice.

>>153368506
You're not doing anything wrong. Legends viewer just shits itself over some worlds. It will do it on larger worlds as well. You'll just have to make do with native legends mode.

How do people feel about the Oldgenesis mod? I actually really like it, its a happy medium between vanilla and Masterwork and adds a tooon of crafting options in adventure mode. Plus crossbows get bayonets and are much more viable.

If the lord gives me a hearthperson quest and nobody in the entire town knows where I'm supposed to go what should I do? Also there's a army marching here.

>one of my army dwarves' favorite actions in combat is to bite their opponents teeth off

The fuck

>>153370471
They call him "the Dentist".

How can I get my dwarves to train at their archery targets? I'm guessing I'm going to have to set the squad to inactive and as well disable all the labors on the marks dwarves. But I really want to avoid doing that. It would be great if I could use my training schedule of 2 minimum. Any advice?

>>153372072
If you make an archery range and assign them then they should train there automatically if their schedule is set to do so.

>>153372437
Did so but they would not.

>>153372072
Make sure you set proper firing direction

>>153373023
Set as well.

Elves

>FATAL ERROR - Nemesis Unit Load Failed
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=9985

WEW GG

Dammit I had ipresion that there are just 3 sizes of clothing and armor and I was making aligator man rmor as large armors for humans.

>>153376406
>didn't even bother searching the bugtracker before posting
>reporting a bug with dfhack enabled
>never heard of that bug

How are picks as weapons?

>>153381067
good

Please give ideas for building near a lake. Should I make my entrance on the lake or near it?

Should my fort span the edge of the lake or just go under it?

There is a river leading into the lake , can I do anything with that?

Just general lake fort ideas please

>>153379207
Didn't see anything valuable.

Also I'm a bit worried about starting another fortress as I don't want this unavoidable crash again.

Advice?

>>153382118
Copy the dindus of the central america past and have your fortress be in the middle of the lake.

>>153382602
>Advice?
read the bug reports. It's a known issue, and basically nobody has any idea when and why it happens. It's not reproducible, so it most likely won't happen to you again any time soon.

>>153383404
It's reproducible in the save, happens every time, so I thought I would just compress the entire game folder to help out with debugging.

Should I regen the world to be safe?

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>>153382742
make mexico great again

>>153383541
>Should I regen the world to be safe?
Doesn't hurt.

>>153364542
I think Rumrusher tried and it doesn't work, you can't build down there.

Any reason to use marksdwarves instead of another squad of axes or swords?

95% of the time markdwarves will just fire once and sprint towards the enemy to beat them with their crossbows as clubs.

>>153384096
Web shooter titans/forgotten beasts

Against conventional foes they don't sit still long enough to do shit unless you have them hide inside fortifications.

Against web shooters they'll be the only dwarves that don't die nigh instantly, unless you cheat and lure the thing to a staircase so you can bum rush it.

>>153384096
you just have to use them defensively, behind fortifications etc. making them fight enemies out in the open is just silly

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How?

>>153385214
I built a tower on the surface for them to shoot from

They climbed out of it, jumped down, and the ones who didnt break a bone charged the enemy

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>>153385430
how what

>>153385430
Vampires are immortal, super strong, and they do stealth kills. They rack up a ton of kills over a long time.

>>153385601
You need to put a roof on that shit. They can't climb out if there's nowhere for them to get out.
Also if there's no roof any flying faggot will jump right in.

Contrary to how the real world works, altitude difference reduces range no matter how high you are. It's best to shoot from the same z-level, so it's better to have a bunker rather than a tower.

Is it better to use compressed or uncompressed saves to avoid FATAL ERROR - Nemesis Unit Load Failed?

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>>153385735

Reminder that if you dont make your military dwarves live and train on the surface you are a pleb who deserves you upcoming death

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Procedurally genned playable sports when?

>>153387686
Why shouldn't you make your enemies fight in the caves?

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Decided to finish playing for today when FB showed up, it don't look dangerous.
Do I get shells from it?

Also
>rock above magma are market as warm stone
This makes mining around it to painfull.

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tfw the meal-based economy is the best economy

And I don't even have any prepared panda intestine meals yet. But soon! Once the breeding program gets started!

>>153387995
>it don't look dangerous
>stone construct FB with deadly dust

You got a pair of high test balls on you, anon. I'm quaking in terror just thinking about it.

And no. No shells. Construct FBs can't be butchered and so won't produce a usable shell part. I THINK the only way to get a shell off this one is if someone lands a lucky blow and manages to sever the shell.

>>153386702
Always uncompressed. Compressed saves have to be uncompressed each time they're loaded and compressed each time they're saved, which leads to a higher chance of corruption/errors occuring.

>>153388736
Darn, I had it on incompressed too.

>>153388736
Isn't compressed on by default? Why would the least stabile option be on by default?

>>153388552
I already beaten one like that. My army should be fine. Only problem if I they fail to intercept it before to do to much damage.

>>153389998
If I get dubs Toady will add an almost real-life communication system to the game
If I get trips, you can use it with a microphone, and the waifus you talk to respond in generated voices

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>>153391136
no waifubloat for you

where do I find gods to offend? there are no human towns

>>153391136
>>153391886
reroll, I need this in my life

>notice "cannot give water" spam
>look around, find 3 dwarves stuck in a tree, trying to reach a giant sparrow corpse, 1 dead dwarf at bottom of tree
>cut tree down to free dwarves
>one dorf dies in the fall, other two survive
>injured dorfs brought inside
>general melee breaks out, unsure how it started
>8 more dorfs die in the ensuing brawl

>>153392496
>there are no human towns
Your world sucks. Gen a new one because this one doesn't have any temples.

>>153389879
Toady is a mysterious beast and doesn't care much about stability or efficiency.

See also: gamelog and errorlog bloat. He could easily code in an option to clear the log periodically, but nooooo, they just get bigger and bigger.

>>153392656
dem fukken dorfs, man!

>>153392719
Reading the combat logs, it appears as though when I cut the tree down, one of the dorfs, a child, slammed into the other dorf, a hunter. The hunter then shot the child WHILE FALLING. The child died a few seconds after landing.

>>153393062
>loyalty cascade from a counterattack
Report that shit, that's a bug.

>>153392656
For some reason whenever a dwarf cuts a tree with another dwarf in it, the treed dwarf and any witnesses become hostile to the cutter (maybe only if there's an injury?), though no crime is registered. It can blossom into a mini loyalty cascade.

>>153392496
>>153392681
Dwarven forts can have temples.

>>153394186
The only fort was full of goblins and the staircase led to a large cavern full of wild and stray animals.

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>http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=160307.0
what the fuck, bay12

>>153394383
>not wanting to be named Glove Bootpants

>>153394383
what the fuck are you complaining about exactly

>>153394383
Fuck that guy, Sandled Daggermine is a great name.

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What did he mean by this?

>>153395239
True df fans only get horny with the accuracy of a simulation such us the game, because of the autism
Putnam is basically flirting

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>cripple bandit
>he yields
>tell him I killed his boss a hour ago
>spits in my face
>start hacking him to pieces with two handed sword
>"Is this a attack? What's going on?!"

>>153393970
Counterattacks haven't been a thing since 34.11.

>>153276905
I love maps and I have no idea how Dwarf Fortress works, can someone explain what this is?

>fortress has quite a few experienced axedwarves popping up
>this turns out to be because the woodcutters are constantly interrupted by Giant Keas, and charge the giant avians and chop their heads off before going back to work

>>153396171
its a map

>>153396171
It's a map someone made based on one of DF's procedurally generated world maps.

>>153396171
It's some kind of magical wizard shit is what it is. I've never seen a DF world look so interesting, though that's technically a good thing because a world like that would have next to no interaction between civilizations and possibly wouldn't even generate humans at all.

>>153396425

and does it generate all those cities and roads and stuff?

>>153396078
this new yield system is dumb as fuck

I can slaughter towns and no one fights back anymore

>>153396480
Yes. I don't what exactly triggers roads and stuff to be built, but they'll usually connect human towns. I don't think goblins can build them, and I've never seen elves build them either. Dwarves can build them, but they usually build underground tunnels instead since they settle almost exclusively on mountains.

>>153396480
Yes. And populations, historical figures, some geological formations, weather patterns, ground drainage and aquifers, wildlife distributions....
Probably more that I'm forgetting

>>153396483
>new
It was added in .40, 2 years and 35 updates ago.

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RIP in piss my civ. I cannot fathom why the weakest civ in my world is shitstomping the strongest civ so hard, but considering my civ accounted for more than half of the global population I suppose it's for the best that the goblins balance things out a bit.

>>153397145
Maybe they still have their original ruler, who has gone out on the warpath himself. Also, if its journey pets happen to include cave dragons or jabberers or something else nasty the there could be a sizeable population of them participating in the battles, which tends to skew things heavily in favor of the side that has them.

>>153397593
I would die jizzing if gobbos in one of my worlds used cave dwaggins.

Hell, its exciting enough when they use ogres and blizzard men.

How do I get a book out of a doorway? I can't dump it

>>153397662
Can't you just add the [PET] and [EVIL] token to the cave dragons, and the gobbos will start using them?

>>153400497
But they can already have them as it is, can't they? I thought it was just the rarity of them that made them, well, rare. Unless adding those tags make them pretty much omnipresent like beakdogs?

>>153397039
>almost seven years have passed since I first downloaded DF
I feel so old.

If I use the die dfhack command, doesn't that corrupt saves and can give me fatal error nemesis?

>>153397145
How do you know they are in your civ? Are you also able to view the map while in fortress mode?

>>153407296
You can't view the map while in Fortress mode, but as far as I'm aware your outpost liaison only brings info from your own civ.

>>153407296
Pretty sure it only brings news about your civ. Also I had just recently had one of my dwarves become a baron because he was the rightful heir, and after checking legends mode it looks like his father lived in one of those sites that was conquered.

I had a fire breathing triceratops attack my fort and made short work of it. A while later, I noticed my corpse stockpile had suddenly burst into flames around the area its corpse was in. Is this new? Nothing the wiki lists as being able to cause a fire was anywhere near, so my only assumption is that firespewing creature corpses can somehow cause fires.

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Oh my god SHUT UP I DON"T CARE
There's an option to mute all these "masterpiece" announcements, right?

>>153408707
Some of if not all of his body materials were probably set to extremely high temperatures, so they set fire to the other more flammable corpses.
It's the same thing that happens with fire snakes if you let your cats kill them.

>>153408853
data folder /init folder and then announcements.txt
read the header that tells you what commands do what

ctrl+f (search)

masterpiece

find the one for crafts

>>153408853
>Aslot Plaguemaggots
Sounds like a nice fella

>>153411182
He was an elf. The figurine showed him getting killed by a giant leopard.

>>153409059
Shit. How do I deal with something like this? If the temperature stays that high, its just going to keep setting fires when new corpses get placed there. I can move the corpse stockpile, but I don't have anywhere good left outside to do so. I'd prefer to just get rid of that particular corpse.

If I want to modify orientation of dwarves, all I have to do is edit creature_standard.txt and add a [ORIENTATION] token right?

>>153413738
You could always just dump it into a pit somewhere.

>>153413876
do a search and replace of
[CASTE:MALE]

with [CASTE:MALE]
[ORIENTATION:FEMALE:0:0:100][ORIENTATION:MALE:100:0:0]

and reverse for females

>>153414452
I think you need a middle value as well no? Just found the caste thing as well. Also I already have a fort/save running, I'm scared if I edit the raw that it will corrupt things. Thanks for the help.

>>153415279
Middle value? Its just 3 values.

>>153415561
The 2nd value, I think you need the lover value.

>>153415279
You can alter creatures at will in an ongoing save. Some changes you make take place immediately, while others will only apply to creatures who are being loaded into the player's presence for the first time. I suspect an orientation change falls into the latter category. If I'm correct, then you'll need dfhack to ungay the dwarves that are already at your fort.

>>153416302
I hear it must be done before world gen.

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how can i make high-quality doors? all of my doors are just "passable"

>>153416641
Try encrusting them with stuff.

>>153411669
hah serves the knife ear right

>>153416165
They'll still become lovers on their way to married couples. Adding a middle value just makes it so some won't get married.

>>153417183
Oh, I was reading some guy had problems though.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=141129.0

>>153416550
You hear incorrectly.

One dwarf with one job is very efficient
Two dwarfs with two jobs are non efficient
A strong testament to the value of specialisation

>>153417183
Unless the bug has been fixed (last I checked it was not) the potential to be lovers and the potential to be married are mutually exclusive. That means dwarves who are capable of getting married have to do so during world gen or they effectively become asexual because you can't get married without being lovers and you can't become lovers if you can get married.
It's a stupid bug, but I'm all for anything that reduces fort-mode birthrates.

I've never really had dwarves get married. They're usually either already married or the age gap is too big among the people they're around.

I did see a gay spouse that was a lord consort. He was a good fighter. Some Sacred Band shit.

>>153417717
I keep up with bugs pretty well, and I've never heard of that. As far as I'm aware isolating compatible dwarves together is still a working method of getting them to marry. Could you link the bug report?

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>forgotten beast single handedly killing my fort by dropping my framerate to 1fps with fire

>>153419492
I'll see if I can find it. I remember seeing it while trying to figure out if making all dwarves guaranteed to be homosexual would prevent births during worldgen too.

http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=7905
Looks like it was in fact fixed, and quite a while ago too.

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>Colossus comes to fort
>Beats on duck for a solid day before it finally dies
>"Colossus: Death surrounds us... this is horrifying!"
Combat dialogue ruins everything

And by ruin I mean make better

>>153420328
>as i watch my dwarves slowly try to kill this forgotten beast, another that also breathes fire appears

welp there goes the fort

>>153421438
Wooden cages do wonders against fire breathers.

>>153421938
they're forgotten beasts
they bypass cage traps

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>>153421438
Let them fight each other. The survivor might be weak enough for you to take.

Bump for elves

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>>153424337
would you bump this elf?

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This is different.

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>>153424726
Absolutely. I would bump all elves. I would also bump all goblins. I even keep a special bumping rock just for such things.

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>>153424945
What the hell.

>>153425349
keep us posted, I wonder if it will disappear when it gets rained on

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>>153425951
We've been here for over 10 years and it has never rained on the mountain portion of the embark.

>Page 9
It was inevitable.

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>>153428467