/domg/- Dominions General

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first for funky disco lights

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Second for ichtyids

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Third for reminder to remove elves

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>>153145174

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There is literally nothing wrong with playing elves
I've won a single multiplayer match on both TNN and Eriu, and they were neither anything special

>>153145597

Fuck off, weeb

Does dominions porn exist

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>>153145696
There's this Kitsune x Kurgi and Wailing Lady x White Centaur smut fiction

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>>153145696


>>153145597
They used to be the boogeyman to remove. Now it's bats and birds and other annoyance.

What's your pro fort strat?

Do you plan for your first fort to be out by the end of year one. With full lab and all

Or do you plan for your forts to have begun construction before the end of year one?

>>153145597
>>153145893

It's a meme from /tg/, of which I expect at least half the playerbase is from.

Bullying elves is our national pasttime.

>>153146470
i try to aim to start the construction before turn 10.

>>153146470
Typically, you want forts to begin constructing as early as it doesn't hamper your expansion, and that depends entirely on the faction's expansion potential, fort era (palisades can be constructed much more readily than fortresses never mind larger forts) and to some degree starting location. It's possible for some nations to have not just one but several forts ready by the end of the first year, while for others having a fort started at that point is good timing. Gold events will obviously change things further.

>>153146470
I try to find a good place, and save money for an investment on the turn that fits the most, all before the end of summer or autumn if it's LA and all the forts cost an arm and a leg and 1000 gold.

>>153146715

sidhe slave, wat do?

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Well that didn't go as planned

>>153147705
>Underestimating Shark Tribes

Bone Fiends.

Yes/no?

>>153148165
Probably no unless you really need some crappy troops right now

>>153147705
Apart from the fact that Shark Tribe are maniacs who often hit above their weight class, you should work on your positioning so you reach the enemy on your own turn. Getting the first hit in makes a huge difference vs indies.

>>153148165
They're decent troops for their price, and they're a lot faster to summon than other demons.

If either number of blood slaves or time is an issue, they could be worth it. Otherwise go for other types of demon, they're far stronger.

Can anyone please tell me why my turn file is corrupted or how to fix it?

It's memeoftheages. Could it be cause I died or whats the deal?

>>153149326

Try going to the game page on Llamaserver and requesting a turn resend. Sometimes things get unstuck somewhere in the process of getting the turn into the mailserver and sent.

If that doesn't fix it, I dunno.

>>153149432

Oh shit, I resent it five times and no go, still error.

Oh well, I was losing anyhow.

RIP shit Mictlan.

TC, I'll leave that Ermor fort in 52 this turn if it would be more convenient for you to take it.

Also, check in-game messages.

>>153148882

How do you figure out how your position should be? I can check out how much they move and how much I move, but who moves first? How much distance is between the two front rows? Etc.

>>153149481
Noooooo mictlan, don't give up!

>>153152529
The defender always moves first.

There's a handy diagram showing the size of the battlefield and the space between front rows, but I can't find it right now. I hope some other friendly Anon can post it.

>>153152529
10-15 rows between the fronts.
Defender always moves first.

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>>153152529
>>153152670
Never mind, I had it after all.

>>153152775

Holy shit is that a useful tool. I can't believe I've been playing without it. I can now actually figure out just how far my spells will be able to hit instead of guessing at it. Thanks a lot for this.

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>>153152775
You got it all wrong. Here, I fixed it.

>>153152775

Do indies always start in Front row, or more towards center? Randomly somewhere in between?

>>153153619
Indies and PD always start around the center as far as I know.

>>153153619
Ranged units in the back, melee in the center

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>>153153365

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=AntiquisTerra
Reminder to join this shit.

>>153154257
Why?

If you have a Fort in a province with a Farm of Plenty, does that affect supply use when sieged?

>>153155461
All site bonuses are legit even for sieges, including gem income and supplies.

>>153154398
Because you must.

I really need one of these merc companies, you guys.

What are the stats of Durand's Cavalry anyway? It's not on http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-3-the-awakening/forum/thread/calahans-complete-list-of-mercenaries-mercs-mercenarys which is what I've been using. Looks like a Heavy Cav commander so 10x Heavy Cav?

Get in vanheim lads I'm doing a blitz

>>153156231
http://larzm42.github.io/dom4inspector/?page=merc&panes=merc+13@605@71:unit+292@301@71&mercq=durand

>>153156510
Oh geeze there's an entire page there labeled "Merc". I never even paid attention to that before, thank you.

>>153156231
Hol up, I want to recruit them too. It's heavy cav galore where I am, and I want to fight fire with fire.

>>153156231

Outbid me 1v1 IRL bro, see what happens

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>it's a "Green tries to assassinate but accidentally attacks" episode

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Is this a random event, or was there some magic heresy involved?

>>153160926
This is what happens when you turn story events on.

Enjoy your war in hell for 50 turns, random demon lords, ermorian cultists, and 200 barbarians attacking the same province over and over.

>>153160926
It's an event. The battle happened after all regular battles. (Order is magic rit battles > battles > event battles)

Also, meanads don't have stealth :)

>>153160926
>entire female population
>random event gives pangaea 15000 maenads on my capital.

>>153152585

I tried everything, I juuuust got my sick mages online too.

Oh wells. Maybe if I stale a turn it will magically reset somehow.

So Unleash Imprisoned Ones will cause the 3 titans to spawn in other people's provinces rather than yours, right?

A-asking for a friend

>>153163316
Yes. And when they die they transform into legions of gods.

Hey Asphodel are you considering (6) and (8) your side of the mountain of mine? Waiting to hear back from you before I send my turn.

>>153163367
Yeah those are the real deal, the titans themselves aren't too bad. I assume the spawning is completely random and you won't be making any friends casting it.

>>153163316
They can spawn in your provinces, just not on your capital. In a singleplayer game I run one landed on Man's capital i conquered.
I think they have a preference for thrones/capitals in general.

>>153160926
sounds like feminism if you know what i mean ;^)

Bats and Ragha both on blood plane, panic.

>>153165546
Well, that's novel.

If Ragha isn't retarded he just won the game.
>Rush bat capital asap
>get free cap
>proceed to kill everyone else with endless gold.

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>>153163367
>>153163910
Why is Legion of Gods better than the tartarian? What makes it good?

>>153165752
Look at it in dom inspector. You'll be terrified.

>>153165721
>try to rush bats
>get raided lose because he weakened you
wew i hope he doesnt do this

>>153165843
All I'm seeing is a 55hp ethereal unit with 5S

Which can easily get rekt by any kind of magic weapon wielding undead or demon, because they don't give a shit about fear

Or a high level Mind Duel caster

Or the typical Stellar Cascades spam

>>153165752
Horror tier stats except for protection
true ethereal
25 (!) fear
Teleporter
An instant kill attac
Damage reversal
Innate spellcaster whilst having strong paths
Increases unrest and kills dudes

The fear and true ethereal are probably the most annoying things about it.

>>153166007
True ethereal doesn't care about magic weapons.
There are ways to deal with it, but it can screw up unprepared armies.

>>153166007
That's not ethereal.

>>153166007
So, you don't see true ethereal, innate spellcasting 2, and consume soul? Not to mention +5 to a random path.

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>You will never have a wild orgie with hundreds of meanads, wild and crazy for dick

>>153166007
I can't even tell how triggered I am by this dumb post. Okofire, is that you?

Innate spellcasting 2.
Innate.
Spellcasting.
2.

>>153166337
>>153166235
Innate spellcasting is junk on indies. Legion of gods doesn't cast anything of value ever. Not even if you give them gems.

>>153165863
t. scrub

where is my summon dragon spell

>>153166268
They are probably smelly anyways
2/10 would not bang

>>153166163
True ethereal ignores all mundane weapons, treats magic weapons like normal ethereal treats mundane weapons

>>153165863
Hi bats.
You got no forests anywhere in the area, ragha can counterraid with much stronger flyers and your troops will mass desert without gold anyway.
At worst raiding this early into the game is a loss of a few provinces worth of income in exchange for capital and the dominance of a very good plane.

>>153166543
Nobody's saying that those things are unkillable, they're just REALLY annoying to deal with. It will drain life from your troops while casting evos and teleporting around.

t. seal breakage witness

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>bravely defends a province from the undead menace
>inspires men to fight in the crusade
>game won't let me rename her to Jeanne D'arc

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>>153166731
Do you know where you are, punk?

Do you know what we do with those who have nipples around here?

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>>153166938
Hiroshima said that nipples are allowed if they're not from porn, unless you also want to ban me for this.

>>153167132
Berserk is revenge porn, so your argument is invalid.

>>153167203
I wish. Not anymore.

>>153166709
>True ethereal ignores all mundane weapons
There's something like 1/16 chance for mundane weapons to get through.

Which is basically immune in practice.

Oh boy, I'm so looking forward to what's going to happen next turn. This gonna be good.

>>153166747
You know what the real worst case scenario is?

[Spoiler]If they work together.

I wonder how mages feel like, being ordered by their god to transform into mindless monsters just so they can skip on paying their salary.

Being an employed mage sounds like a shit job in the domverse.

>>153167668
>two small nations is a worse scenario than one big one

uhuh.

>>153167385
I'm so looking forward to what's going to happen in 5 turns.

>>153168492
Admin is going to mercykill Flatus again?

>>153168381

Well, from worst to best, One big nation killing you < Two small nations killing you < Two small nations killing each other.

>>153145696
If you want it so bad, you ought to make it.

>>153168561
Did Flatus really end after ten turns?

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>>153172013
It was more like 20 or so. Let me look it up.

Yeah, 23 turns. C'tis and Riley gave me death gems, I cast BoT, and Gath scammed everyone for pearls.

>>153161681
I almost like that version of dominions more.

New version of summod is out with mostly bug fixes.

Illwinter's last patch did some stuff with events, and a few of the more complicated new mechanics used event modding to make stuff happen. It also makes Thed less strong (earlier versions of summod overbuffed them)

>>153172309
I mean you're Lemuria again, I'm 100% fine wrecking the blood plane so it's actually a game...

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>>153168326
Mindless only if they're unlucky, otherwise they are continuing their mystical journey of the soul, ascending to a different, possibly higher form, in the best case scenario unlocking further the secrets of the arcane. In these new forms they have no more use for gold or other petty material things.

>>153155515
But not for sieging forces

>>153174112
Yeah. It's like sites are inside the fort, no matter how silly it may sound.

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>>153172309
>Gath scammed everyone for pearls
That was hilarious to watch in thread. I can't believe that the admin was such a faggot desu

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Uhhh... sum1? A little help here?

Ceasidh, I'm withdrawing my troops. Seems if we continue this, Ashia is threatening into attacking the one who doesn't stop. Next turn your cap will be free of my forces.

>>153174875
>Ashia is threatening into attacking the one who doesn't stop
That's an empty threat. Ashia is using all of his troops every turn and the vast majority of his mages.

>>153174505
It's a bug that is fixed in the newest version. I forgot to add notext for an event.

>>153175000

Well it doesn't matter either way, because the bats are now right on our border with Ashia, besieging his forts with hundreds of of bats. Seems we have no choice now but to stop this war and fight the bats.

>>153174875
>Ceasidh backs off
>you get to rape Ninai uninterrupted and basically get a free cap

Not a bad deal.

>>153175180
Now see, that's a much better reason.

>>153175130
Do I get those randomly, or is there some preset? I can't find anything about that in the changelog.

>>153175229

I won't be raping anyone, Ashia is about to be eaten by batman, and he'll likely come for me and the elf next.

>>153175317
Nah, you're cool. This Ashia thing's actually going to take a while, and Djeris is next.

What does Magic Expanded have that makes non shit nations good?

>>153175697
Uhh... Caelum is a non-shit nation. It gets AoE summon storm power. C'tis is a non-shit nation. It gets bane fire + skelespam well, shadowspam in a single package. Etc.

>>153175898
Whoops, meant shit to mediocre. MA Mari and EA Aby get anything?

>>153176709
EA Abysia has a global that makes volcanoes erupt all across the world, so that's pretty cool.

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Agartha 2h file received
Caelum 2h file received
Man 2h file received
C'tis 2h file received
Gath 2h file received
Jomon 2h file received
Unexpected Nation 2h file received
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Mictlan 2h file received
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Pythium 2h file received
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Bogarus 2h file received
T'ien Ch'i 2h file received
Ulm 2h file received
Utgard 2h file received
Xibalba 2h file received

>>153177415
Arcoscephale 2h file received
Atlantis 2h file received
C'tis 2h file received
Hinnom 2h file received
Helheim 2h file received
Lanka 2h file received
Pangaea 2h file received
Therodos 2h file received
Ur 2h file received
>Xibalba Waiting for 2h file

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Caelum 2h file received
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T'ien Ch'i 2h file received
Ys 2h file received

>Caelum Waiting for 2h file
Gath 2h file received
Unexpected Nation 2h file received
>Midgard Waiting for 2h file
Pangaea 2h file received
>Ragha Waiting for 2h file
R'lyeh 2h file received
T'ien Ch'i 2h file received
Ulm 2h file received

>>153176709
Magic Enhanced 1.2 has now been added to the inspector, so you can check it out for yourself

>>153177595

Oh shit that's me!

Abysia 2h file received
Agartha 2h file received
Arcoscephale 2h file received
Asphodel 2h file received
C'tis 2h file received
Ermor 2h file received
Man 2h file received
Marignon 2h file received
Nazca 2h file received
Pelagia 2h file received
Ulm 2h file received
>Vanheim Waiting for 2h file

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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=AntiquisTerra

>http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=AntiquisTerra

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=AntiquisTerra

pic unrelated?

>>153175314
You have a small chance of them during the first 12 turns. It's intended to prevent commanders from throttling expansion too much early on.

There's a similar event for tribunes, but I remembered notext for that.

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>>153178735
Gomen nasaiiii ne~~~~~~ (^0^)/

>>153179579
Took you long enough you goddamn knife-ear.

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Fortyboys WW@

I guess re-hiring a mercenary does not recover any of his troops, right?

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>>153180320
Fun fact: none of the fortresses are adjacent to one another

It is my perfect design

And it is not yet finished

>>153179674
You are confusing us with Tolkien elves, we are merely the harmless Vanir variety, nothing to see here

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>>153180320
Is that how many forts a player is supposed to have by the end of year 2?

I always minmax fort placement as much as possible, only tiles with a minimum of 5 surrounding provinces to get as many res as possible, while also being positioned in a favorable place for any upcoming war, but I wonder if I'm not overthinking stuff and I should instead just pop them everywhere.

Agarthan heavy infantry

vs

Defender of the Halls?

>>153181091
>Is that how many forts a player is supposed to have by the end of year 2?
Depends on the nation

Some nations absolutely need to have as much fort mages as possible, and you'll need to spam pallisades for that

Meanwhile nations like Yomi & Ur don't give a shit about forts

agarthan heavy infantry every single time

>>153154257
I'm going to join in a couple of hours. Is this the right map?

http://www.moddb.com/members/llanite/addons/archaeaea-beta

>>153181091
Generally you want to be able to recruit as many magi/spies/whatever and troops as your gold will allow while being able to defend positions and have the ability to levy forces of national troops on different parts of the map. Every nation, map, and game will be different.
in other words, it depends.

>>153181715
The map maker said he was going to upload a new version with fixed connections sometime this week, but for now this is the map.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1IGVeRBBP-8T1N2cnFTY2VnZ0k/view?usp=sharing

Reminder that there is a new summod out and you should all switch to that if the game hasn't started yet.

>>153181949
See above.

>>153181382
I should give those nations a try then. I prefer quality over quantity and want a select amount of well defended forts.

>>153178085
There's a space marine as a summon

What's the best way to use clockwork soldiers, or any units that lose fatigue each turn? Mass Flight? Just put them up front and hope they reach the enemy before they fall to the ground?

>>153182212
>I prefer quality over quantity
Most nations that don't want a lot of forts have low res cost troops and/or mages that only require a lab.
Nations with quality high res troops generally want lots of unoverlapping forts.

>>153182212
>I prefer quality over quantity and want a select amount of well defended forts.
Ur and Ulm, then. Urs forts are very expensive, and their big battle mages are recruited outside of them, whereas Ulm tends to rely on labs on their own to spam out mages.

That said, unfortunately Dominions strongly rewards fort quantity, because the most important purpose they serve is allowing you to recruit your national stuff, especially mages. In most instances, you want your cheapest fort option with either a lab or a lab+temple to enable mage production.

>>153181949
Shouldn't we have more players before we start?

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>>153182961
>Mass flight
>They gain even more fatigue

?

>>153183124
I'm not starting until it's full, so it will be a bit of a wait.

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>>153183306

>>153183495
Badmin indeed.

>>153183306
>>153183495
>>153183592
FUCKING BADMIN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Fucking badminton how the fuck do you even play it?

>>153183306
What deed you doooooooo.

So are we playing or did the admin just fuck up?

>>153183495
>Start with 1/2 players
>Of course I still have neighbors to limit my expansion in every direction.
Badmin pls.

>>153183495
God damnit....

>>153183134
>?
Don't be that guy.

>>153182961
Since the E summon guys gain fatigue naturally but have 0 fatigue from combat, you want them to start fighting ASAP. You're right that Mass Flight is great if you can cast it, but even those speed boosts in N can be useful.

For Clockwork Horrors, because of their 12 attacks/square Strength of Giants is insanely good, as is Weapons of Sharpness if you can cast it. Since their high density also means that you don't want them to be in the very front, something that I've found to work is having them start towards the middle of your deployment zone set to Attack-Rear or Attack-Closest rather than hold, and then have the buff mages positioned in front of them so that they can start buffing them while they run up. That way, you can still have your evo/arrow tanks set up ahead of them and have the buffs cast on the horrors. This is all assuming you aren't casting Mass Flight, though. If you are and your opponent isn't putting up storm, you can position them wherever and use either Hold-Attack or make sure that your buffs go up round 1.

badmin wtffff

>>153184060
??????

>>153184059
Just restart it, the pretenders will be kept so nobody has to send them again.

>>153183841
Fucked up somehow, I changed the Summod version and after saving the modified settings it started.
Either way it's unstarted now.

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>>153184059

Just unstart it, also pretender names for fun of it.

Does Abysia not benefit from growth scales?

>>153185434
Technically, every nation benefits from growth scales.

>>153185506

Except MA Ermor and Lemuria.

>>153185434
They do, they just don't get penalties

>>153185620
No, they do benefit. It's just never worth it

>>153185620
This >>153185678.

>>153185678
>>153185678

For something to be beneficial, the advantages of it must outweigh the disadvantages. Taking Growth scales for popkill nations does not meet the criteria because you are throwing away valuable pretender points for a very temporary gain in income.

>>153185434
it does benefit and they are really good for money and bloodhunting.
they just dont take 2-3 % less income from death but still lose pop. death is actually really bad on abysia

>>153181949
no tga file to go with it?

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>>153185945
>something is technically true
>"not if I define it in a very specific way that is only beneficial to my argument!"

>>153184524
>that one guy who doesn't meme and uses a vanilla name

>>153186396
They are the first to get rushed, as are the ones with the tired and outdated meme names.

>>153181382
>Yomi not needing forts.
You must be new here.

>>153186396
If I see one like that, I immediately assume they're going to go AI or stale. Happens 9/10 times.

>>153184489
Badmin, why the fuck would you upload and call it "summod latest"

You know it'll stop being latest as soon as he releases a new version, right?

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>>153186758
Oh my god, did he really do that?
>mfw Final.Final.REALFINAL.latest

People that do this should die.

>mfw when i know who is the badmin fucking up
>mfw when i am happy he's getting btfo
>mfw when i know someone is enjoying it even more than me

>>153186758
I didn't upload it, it was just the newest one since the last one I had on there which I was informed was outdated

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Wow. Just wow. He did it again.

Every time I wreck his pathetic attempts to drop 999 steel maidens onto my capital, he does it again. No PMs, no anything. And with an insultingly small amount of troops too. I guess some are sneaking to other provinces or something.

>>153187543
>der gott turn at this hour

Color me surprised.

Van did you get my message? Do you want to pay the difference, or should I send you what I've made from the gems so far?

>>153187241
Let us enjoy the tears anon, tell us.

>>153188454
Badmin is P-pan?

>>153188240
I assumed that you had dwarven hammers, and with the usual 2 gem markup (and 3 gem cost) 5 gems per bag is a fair price. If you don't have them, I can rent them to you for a few turns. Because come on now, who's going to buy bags of wine for 7 gems. If you don't agree to that, then send what you already made and the remaining gems.

>>153189008
I'm not particularly rich on earth gems, and I prioritize speed over cost. (So rather than make one item out of say 10 every month with a hammer guy I make all 10 in a single month with non-hammer guys, since I can't exactly equip 10 guys with hammers.)

It's a shame our philosophies do not match, I will send the items I've made so far, but if you want I can give you a full refund of your gems. (And sell those items to someone else, it's not like wine bags are a niche product.)

In other news, to anyone interested I got a Lifelong Protection from lucky event and I'm willing to sell it for 4 any gems.

>>153187395
You don't get the problem

The problem is that you chose a name for llamaserver that asserts it is the most recent version. Based on the update frequency, that'll be true for another week, and then you'll have confused the shit out of everyone going forwards. There's a reason everyone else calls their mods version 1.2 and 5.5 and 0.66 - so people know which of the latest instead of "most recent final v2"

>>153189813
>lifelong protection for 4 gems

typo?

>>153190168
No, just jew.

>>153189813
No, just send me bags you made and surplus gems. I'm probably going to kill Ulmy next, and I don't know how many supplies I'm gonna need to feed 300 vanheres.

>>153190326
You're ripping yourself off, is what I'm saying. Lifelong is 20 blood slaves and actually pretty good.

>>153190585
It's hard for me to mentally convert blood slaves to gems, I just applied the same price system I used for normal gem items. (Construction 4 : 1 gem, 20 blood slaves = 3 or 4 gems???)

Guess I'll be particularly jewish and sell it for 5 gems then. Hope I can live with myself after this.

>>153190968
Oh, actually, make me that nature booster, please. How many more gems do you need for it?

>>153191189
Thistle Mace or Moonvine Bracelet?

Thistle Mace would require an additional 6 any gems.

Moonvine Bracelet 13 any gems and 5 astral pearls, to cover production.

>>153191545
Get me both then. I'll send the dosh.

>>153190150
I didn't choose the name though

>>153191646
Both of those prices are based on the 6 gems you had leftover from the bags.

To make things clearer:

Thistle Mace : Base Cost 10 gems + 2 production gem = 12 total.
Moonvine Bracelet : Base Cost 15 gems + 5 pearls + 4 production gems = 24 total

So basically you only get the 6 gem reduction for one of them. Should I still send both? Thistle Mace I can send this very turn, and bracelet next one.

Speaking of which I can also make a Treelord Staff but the base cost of that one is 40 whole gems. (production price would be 4)

>>153192267
Send both. I'm sending you pearls and earth gems.

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wat

A while ago I looked into changing fort costs. Currently, illwinter only gives modders the ability to increase fort costs, not decrease them. What I can do instead is use event modding to include a "rebate" for fort construction of 50 or 100 gold a turn.

>>153194573
Happens randomly and is incredibly annoying.

You get drops out of it but it's annoying.

>>153194735
>not charming all of them

>>153194573
The dev's Mary-Sue D&D party

>>153194573
Supposedly it used to be possible to copy paste their scripting of attack commander

if you have stealthed units set to guard commander on an assassin or seducer, can they show up to the fight?

>>153196073
No. Otherwise Pan's dryads would always have a centaur retinue.

>>153177415
Sorry lovely, just got home. Double incoming.

>>153198496
>people taking turns right at the big boy nappy nap time

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>Winning the game hard but losing the will to play it

Threadly reminder to join
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=GinnungagapREBIRTH
for highly concentrated memes.

Holy shit I think I have cancer from how bad my expansion is going this game. Seriously I played so goddamn many 12-turn single player games experimenting with different options and not a single one of them went as poorly as the real thing.

How bad are undisciplined mages?

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Wow ignoring the possibility of burden of time you should really thinking that theres more pressing matter than ermor don't ya think? btw my income is at 2600 and his gem income triples mine of ~13 per turrn sooo you do the math senpaitachi

>>153181382
Yomi loves forts. You can build demons in them!

>>153199941
Undisciplined has no effect on commanders beside morale penalty, I think.

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>>153199924
>Your archers will never snipe commanders and cause routs before the enemy reaches your troops in actual games

>>153200086
This. It would make transformation a lot worse, otherwise.

>>153199983
Which nation are you? Mari? There are so many skeleton removers I lost count.

And yeah, I can't say who I am, but my neighbor that you can all probably identify yourself has 3 capitals already. Throne rush soon?

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>>153200271
Its not that bad his army graph is shit compared to everything else. His entire army is about 700 and he is sending about 500 to my cap so his lands will be easily raided. he has no globals up, and if people get into removing vodkaelf itll all be fine. On the other hand ermor is probably scared and is spending a stupid amount of death gems spamming longdead horsemen.

>>153195947
it's considered extremely bad tatse

>>153200963
Ermor troop graph is irrelevant, to be honest. We already know what troops he has skellingtons, what a surprise and how to deal with them.

>>153185956
Why do people keep spreading this lie. They do take the income hit, they just don't take the supplies hit.

>>153201035
It's also no longer possible

>>153201343
EA, at least, does not take an income hit. It displays like they do in pretender selection, but they do not in game.

They keep spreading the lie because it i snot a lie.

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>>153201484
Congratulations on being complete faggot, anon.
I appreciate the effort you put into being wrong on the internet.

Retards like you are the worst thing about this thread. 3 fucking years and you cant get the basics right.

>>153202467
Does their pop still die?

>>153202683
Of course.

>>153182621
what unit?

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>I'm not scared of Vanheres
>you can't defeat me in a conventional war

Enjoy your 15+ horrormarked god

>>153203575
What bless tho?

>>153203867
no bless because I submitted a pretender without magic paths that I used for testing.

>>153204071
welp

I guess they're still cool dual wielders and all.

can someone give me examples of items they've forged and who they've put em on?

I'm really struggling with what to forge and such.
I just did the belt, crown of command, some arbalest. then the myrmidon champion with it all died

>>153204239
with gr8 stats and berserk 5

>>153204602
The Classic is probably Vanjarl with Vine Shield, Frost/Fire brand and a belt of might. you also need alteration high enough to cast mistform and you have a commander that can mow through a few dozen plebs

>>153204602
>Baobhan Sidhe
>winged shoes
>dancing trident
Flying assassin that can kill nearly all non-thug/SC commanders

>Sidhe Lord
>Frost brand
>Vineshield
>Girdle of might
A handful of these will wreck armies.

>>153204602
Something to know about items is they won't make a bad unit into a good one, but they will make a good unit into a great one.

Pick a commander that already has high stats, some kind of natural defence (such as ethereal, awe, regen or glamour) and a few magic paths. Examples are a Vanjarl, Troll King or Spectral Mage. Give them a weapon with an aoe attack such as a Frost Brand, something for defence like a vine shield and something that grant Reinvigoration. Script some buffs > Hold one turn > Attack rear and they should be able to take out lightly defended provinces on their own.

>>153205546
For spectres, which have a life drain attack, you just need a shield, maybe some armor of the knights, and a giant's belt.

>>153204602
You've got four basic categories of items: Thug gear, SC gear, mage gear, and boosters. Then there is everything else. All items depend on what paths you have access to, as well as what units you have. There is some overlap, too.

Generally, thug gear is cheap but efficient items such as frost brands, girdles of might and the like. You put these on commanders who are beefy and have good stacks to create a unit that can reasonably expect to take on 20-30 dudes and come out on top. But then, you also have mage thugs and regular thugs. Mage thugs are the likes of Sidhe and Vanjarls, who open up by casting a couple of buffs which, in addition to their items, allow them to lawnmower troops. Regular thugs are bane lords and their ilk, just really big dudes that rely on having good stats, rather than having buff magic.

SC gear is similar to thug gear, but contains the more expensive and niche items. Typically thugs get given a weapon, a shield, and maybe a misc slot, all else depending on what they are doing, what nation they are, etc. SCs want to fill all their slots with good gems because they are designed to fight armies by themselves and win.

Mage gear are things like eyes of aiming, water lens, fire in a jar, that whole bag. You generally won't forge these en-masse unless you have an excess of gems, or a high forge bonus, but you often forge a couple to give key mages an edge.

Boosters are items that boost magic paths. Extremely important.

Then there's the rest. There are a shit-ton of items and most of them are useless in 90% of scenarios. Ring of Levitation is worthless unless your enemy is casting earthquake, for example. Duskdagger is a very specific counter to an enemy strategy. Copper plate is good when you need quick lightning resistance on something. Everything is situational, but some items are more situational than others.

>>153205490
>Flying assassin that can kill nearly all non-thug/SC commanders
>dies to a small fire elemental

>>153205490
>>153205546
>>153206870
okay thanks for all this!

>>153206870
You forgot about RP bonus items like quills and lightless lanterns.

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>anon asks for item advice
>nearly every example is from the perspective of an elf nation

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>>153207759
Obviously because elves have best thugs. And butts.

>>153207965
>those ballet feet
Sometimes I appreciate when art is inaccurate

>>153203445
Soldier From A Distant Star

What are some simple or beginner friendly nations? I'm kind of overwhelmed right now.

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>>153204602
>>153206870
There's 1 fun item set that you want to be familiar with if you have access to astral mages: crystal hearts and slave matrices. These allow you to add non-astral mages to communions and thus bust out all kinds of horrific high-level spells.

>>153208503
MA Ulm. EA Vanheim.

First one allows you to mass good troops and mages, and spam evocations to destroy enemies. Second one relies on elite cadres of troops and thugs. First one needs no bless but needs scales, second one almost requires a good bless (I've never seen EA Van without one, and that would be pretty silly).

>>153208503
Early Ermor. It's got a solid line of troops, easy to use mages.

>>153208503
MA Ulm is what new players generally start with

Some of the best troops in the game
Simple straight-forward magic

>>153206870

Are there any viable non-giant chassi that are good thugs? I just wanna make cool human-sized heroes, but all the good thugs are either summoned fuckers or national gigga-niggas like niffles or other giants.

>>153208607

You cheeky bastard.

Crystal Matrix is the communion master one. Crystal Heart just gives your dude a chest wound and a chance to not die when killed. And isn't removable.

Don't mislead the newbs for your own benefit.

>>153208984
Wraithlords are human sized :^))))

>>153208984
Vanjarls and Sidhe Lords?

>>153208984
If its not an elf, giant or undead it's not a thug. Humans are weak and rely on numbers and magic from range.

>>153208984
>Are there any viable non-giant chassi that are good thugs?
Most elves have great thugs. Sometimes a blessed vanhere from 1PD can kill an enemy god.

Vanjarls can cast mistform/air shield/flight and just evaporate troops without magic weapons.

Sidhe lords can do the same + cast regen.

Helheim is not that impressive without summod, but with summod it gives you elven skelespammers.

>>153208984

Thugs are generally summoned. For non-summoned ones you're mostly looking at elves or giants. Centaurs are also viable. Humans rarely cut it, because their base statline isn't good enough.

>>153208241
Yeah, he's a bit of an Easter egg. There's a very small chance (2%?) of him appearing instead of one of the regular options when you cast Reach Through Dimensions.

>>153209643
Oh. That's pretty dope.

>>153208984
Humans have bad statlines. Elves make great thugs, but it's mostly because of their magic paths.

A couple of national human heroes make decent thugs.

>>153209643
>2%
>small percent for an easter egg

>>153208984
They're not thugs but knights with brands are breddy gud in pitched battles.

>>153147705
Don't fuck with the Shark Tribe.
Dual wielders are not to be underestimated.

>>153208984
You're going to be disappointed because humans in this game win through magic and weight of numbers.
You're not going to find a worthwhile human thug because humans have average stats.

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>Innate 3

My boys this is no joke, spells are going to be flying

>>153174145
I like to imagine it was the same shitmin as Castle Doctrine.

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I saw a post in the steam forums mentioning that Marverni is actually quite strong despite everyone shitting on it saying its a bad nation

So which is it /domg/? Is Marverni gud or not, and why

>>153211782
UNLIMITED BOAR WORKS is viable as fuck once it's up and running.
Their human troops are pretty decent.

>>153211782
Maxu B9 Boars m8
Maxu volume

Does summod or magic enhanced make skull talismans level 2 construction or something? Why can't I make one now?

>>153212835

Yes.

>>153212835
Summod

>>153211782
>access to sacred freespawn with trample
You do the math.

>>153212915
>>153212916
FUCK

>>153211782
>sacred 0-upkeep trampling free spawn
>troops are all low resource berserking maniacs that deal high damage and almost never route
>second fastest research in the game because of super cheap s1 mages.

The nation is certainly no powerhouse, but it's pretty viable.
The "Marverni is bad" meme started because people tried to make the s1's communions slaves for druids, and that never ends well.

>>153213643
LotNS+Stellar Cascades and Gifts work just fine, it's just the fact that often Marv can get their shit pushed in by bats, centaurs, or elves early on.

Is the disease demon as effective as his spell description says he is? From the looks of him he could easily kill indie commanders forever but how about thugs and SCs?

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Welp, that must've felt pretty embarrassing.

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Awe from shield is nearly useless on its own, and is only good as another layer of protection.

Demon whip caps single target damage, so if you encounter something that resists fire, good luck killing it with that 1 damage.

Starshine skullcap... Just why. NEVER rely on invulnerabilty if your base head protection is 8.

With a single Iron Face and ring of regen you would've cleared everything.

3/10 thug.

>>153216103
I had to double-check if it was AI.

No. It's made by an actual player.

>>153216260
>hotseat singleplayer

>>153216103
And how do you get an Iron face as LA mari? trading maybe but they have literally no fucking earth at all.

>>153216724
Yeah, didn't think about it. Anyway, any prot 20 helmet in that case.

Still, come on, STARSHINE SKULLCAP.

>>153216879
b-but muh MR

>>153217098
>MR+2
Mari, is that you? Want me to send you 10 amulets of antimagic? Are you a new player?

>>153211782
Ah, yes, Rejakor.

He's right, as it happens. Marveni was considered one of the weakest nations by many players when it came out. It has a bunch of frail humans with mediocre stats, lost it's rec-anywhere elderdruids (they became cap only STR instead), and generally looked worse.

Turns out that people are just bad at assessing nation strength, so most of that mumbling stopped when nation stats were compiled, showing everyone that marveni actually does pretty decently.

>>153216103
Honestly looks like an AI SC.

Displacement mail is only really good on enc 0 thugs or dudes with a shitton of reinvig. Demon whips is garbo the vast majority of the time. Awe shield is a good choice, as is the ring of regen.

I would have thrown an armour of knights on there, given it a dragon helmet and a set of boots of stone if I couldn't get an iron face, otherwise switch for a set of boots of youth.

Assuming rainbow armour and the like isn't available. Ideal setup would be gleaming gold shield, fire/shadow brand, iron face, rainbow armour, boots of youth, ring of regen, and then a resist item against whatever he suspects you'll counter with. Antimagic amulet or an elemental ring. Acorn necklace or some shit.

That 78 fatigue is not good.

>>153216103
It's either some one new, an AI, or a desperate attempt at maybe pulling some shit off with no gems.

>>153216724
Yes they do, are you retarded?

Trade for a set of Earth Boots, put them on an E1 Geotic Master, give him a +B item, have him forge a Blood Stone. Boom, E3. Go forge some fucking Iron Faces and stop being shit.

>>153218139
>an AI
>>153216260

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>>153218141
No I'm not, are you?
>inb4 muh sum1mod
Fuck off retard

>>153218598
Dude, if you don't know how to make E3 into E4, I have no words for you.

TROLL KING COURT

>>153218141
You missed the summon Father Illearth or a trollking step

>>153218842
Let me pull out 85 fucking earth gems out of my ass with a just one or two cap only str mages site searching for E. Yea good fucking luck doing that before turn 45+

>>153219056
Dude, there's no need to be upset. The basic gist of the argument was "mari can't into E". It can. Of course it takes gems.

And we were talking about that angel thug in the first place. Could you at least admit that ANYTHING would've been better than skullcap?

Clearly this is why LA Mari runs Earth Snek

>>153219231
No, crown of command is objectively worse.

I don't think Ironface is a good choice here. (Still better than star hat). It creates a huge lightning vulnerability, and mostly doesn't stack with invulnerability 25. A blacksteel helmet adds as much effective prot for way less.

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>>153219620

>>153219256
I always ran an E4N9 for LA Mari.

Sure, you have a shit early game, but your lategame is fucking fantastic.

>>153219620
Crown of command has +1 prot over the starhat

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>>153216103
Here is probably why

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>>153220695
w-what

the

fuck

Who writes this shit? Is that some meta wiki trolling?

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>>153220695
TOP KEK!

>>153220774
Thats like, years old if I recall.

>>153220774
That's a copy and paste from a dom3 guide, where MR was pretty much the most important thing for SCs.

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>>153220695
/domg/ does it again!

>>153207965
>redhead elf
muh dick

VD Sauro, aka Rejakor

Send your turn already, please.

>>153222234
Rejakor does as he pleases.

He's probably going to stale again/

>>153222361
i sent him 50 turn resends to make sure he doesnt stale.

Honestly, Rejakor should join leddit team for community clash. Or special needs team.

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>See this game get recommended in /v/ strategy game thread
>Finally buy it last summer sale
>Clocking 200 hours in single player alone because its fun as shit
>It's community is apparently pretty much dead besides this general
Why does every game I take a liking to have to be dead or dying.

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>>153223480
Doing god's work.

I made a mouse pointer script to resend him his turn every minute. I'm going to work right now, and will return in 11 hours or so.

>>153223760
it's pretty alive, but unpopular.

the users here are pretty active imo.


Welcome

>>153223760
For a niche game like this one the community is super active. Hell, we're having the first ever Dom4 world championship right now.

>>153223812
I love you anon.
Who are you? :3c

>>153224008
The hero /domg/ needs.

>>153223931
It's actually not the first time this was tried, but last time it just ended up being SA v Desura

>>153216103
What actually caused it to run away?

I can see a bunch of possible issues, but poor physical defenses isn't one of them.

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Okay, I won't do this anymore because I care about llamaserver's performance, but I hope we learned something today, kids.

DO YOUR FUCKING TURNS

>>153225003
I sincerely hope you didn't actually use that, because seriously fuck you for hurting Llamaserver just to maybe slightly annoy him.

>>153225105
Maybe a little.

If anybody knows Rejakor's e-mail, just post it here. I'll make sure it's in all possible spam databases.

>>153223760
It's got enough people that you can always be in multiple games, and there are always new players, many of whom stick around.

>>153225201
That's honestly going way too far.

Also, suggestions for /domg/'s team name

>>153225417
That's So 'Dominions 4 Player with More Memes than MP Victories'

POST YOUR /DOMG/ TEAM NAME SUGGESTIONS

CURRENT SUGGESTIONS:
Team Rejakor
Team Forester Bob
Team /domg/

>>153225558
Team Shit
Team Bad
Team Awful
Team Terrible

>>153225558
I'LL MAKE A POLL AFTER 24 HOURS

I probably won't rig it

>>153225558
T. Pan

>>153225660
All those names are already in use by /v/anheim's team ;^)

>>153225732
THIS

>>153225775
Savage

Also, team Harmony and Contentment
team BlackStale

>>153216103
>Starshine skullcap... Just why.
At least that one is relatively decent.
Fallen angels are what, size 5 or 6? Head hits are rare against them and if they even meet a well geared counter thug giant, odds are they'll be dead anyway, with or without proper hat.
Meanwhile extra MR is useful.

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>>153226147
>>153224512
555-come-on-now

And he retreated to the enemy territory too. RIP.

>>153216103
>With a single Iron Face and ring of regen you would've cleared everything.
Actually he got really lucky that he routed because if he stayed his death is near guaranteed. No cold protection for starters. At least 4 mages that will default to frozen heart spam once he gets close.

>>153226362
Well, i guess he was fucked either way.

>>153226362
Hmm, that's a bit surprising.

Iron Face would have done absolutely nothing there, though. It doesn't stack with invuln and the issue there was too much fatigue.

Did he not have soul vortex, or did he just get blitzed before it could remove his fatigue?

>>153227782
The scripting sequence was, uhh, Invulnerability, Soul Vortex, oh, yeah, there were two wyverns and they rushed him after that. And then cav reached him too.

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>>153223760
Dominions 4 is fairly lively, just not big is all.

Joining multiplayer games will result in a few early ass-kickings but it doesn't take that long to get to the average /domg/ player's skill level and playing against other people is 100x more satisfying than single-player, which I actually enjoyed a fair bit before joining here.

Big battles are always way cooler when both armies were assembled by working minds.

>>153225558
The Meme Horrors (my favourite one)
Sum1's Seraphs
Team okofire
The Hudson Hawk Experience

>>153228369
>The Meme Horrors
I like that one.
http://astral-corruption.corgiorgy.com/

>>153228369
I like the Meme Horrors and The Hudson Hawk Experience

I don't care what you like, gibe more suggestions for the actual poll.

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FUCKING FORCEHOST

REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>153228785
Bob's Foresters
Kannibal Kikes
The Stalwart Stalers

>>153228785
Team Quadblesschan
Team Redchannit
moot's minions
Hiro's Harbingers
Snacks' Saviors