/domg/- Dominions General

/v/anheim community clash team is Cirno and two noobs

/domg/ team is sum1won, Sy and coolstory

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>>152948424 seems to have been created a few seconds earlier but since this one already got a post, let's just use this one. What does /domg/ think of this unit (exhaustion 1)?

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>>152948524
What about this one?

>>152948524

70r? You will be barely able to recruit two of them per turn with prod3 and good cap and as such completely useless.

>>152948672
What about if the nation also happens to have a desirable +15res mage?

>>152948656

This unit is great actually, not really for combat but for fielding massive armies of and patrolling.

Does some damage tho.

Abysia 2h file received
Agartha 2h file received
Arcoscephale 2h file received
Caelum 2h file received
Man 2h file received
C'tis 2h file received
Gath 2h file received
Jomon 2h file received
>>>>>>Unexpected Nation Waiting for 2h file
Marignon 2h file received
Mictlan 2h file received
Midgard 2h file received
Patala 2h file received
Pythium 2h file received
Ragha 2h file received
R'lyeh 2h file received
Bogarus 2h file received
T'ien Ch'i 2h file received
Ulm 2h file received
Utgard 2h file received
Xibalba 2h file received

DO YOUR TURN YOU PIECE OF SHIT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>152948726

Could be monstrous if you could get 6 of those per turn with N9E4 or even N9E4 W/F9

>>152948524
that bullshit thing should be able to expand alone from turn 2 with a N9E4 and a priest to bless it.

once i had an even better version of that, with no ethereal, but no exhaustion, slightly more hp, and H1 for autoblessing.

>>152948656
super broken.

>>152948826
TOP KEK

>2 threads

That's it. That's the last time you fucked up /domg/. You're gonna regret this.

>>152950171
You forgot
>you guys are evil!

>>152950171
plz stop bringing steam drama into the thread

>>152950420
how about
"no"

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Meanwhile on Steam

>>152950529
Completely based

>>152950529

That reminds me. Need to find a sub for him in Fistful as well.

I am not helped in this by the fact that I have no idea what the fuck he's playing in Fistful.

>>152950689
tc

>>152950689
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/0/359547436744778145/

>>152950742
>>152950779

Fair enough then! I'm pretty sure TC is fucking up Ys pretty good, situation wise.

Who wants it?

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>I play Vanheim

what would be the quickest way to reduce your own dominion on just one province as Pangea ?

>>152951273
shut up soph

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>>152948781
HOLD THE FUCK UP


>Next turn due: 08:00 GMT on Thursday September 1st

WHAT
NO NO NO NO NO NO

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Latus_3_Big_Trouble_In_Little_Ragha

>>152952017
Lemuria asked for an extension until Thursday yesterday, anon.

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http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/0/359547436748226560/

L O L

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>>152952237

>>152952237
Your group is supposed to be all about happiness and having a fun.
>tfw you will never have a fun on vanheim

>>152952017
>>152952145
If coolstory takes Lamberts turn you'll be fine.

>>152952778
Lambert is Ragha though, not Lemuria.

>>152952860
fucking lol changed the wrong email

>>152952971
That explains things.

Sorry
I wanted to write you a message to apologize.

my shitpost spree in the past was inappropirate, disrespectful, and wildy selfish. this general is supposed to be all about staling in pbems and forester bob memes. i want you to know how truly sorry I am for the shitposts i sent to this general last night. It was in very poor taste, and I am sorry that it offended you. Looking back on it, I am glad this general has accepted my memes. Please accept my sincere apology for my insensitivity and be assured that I will no longer shitpost you like that. I promise that I will change and you can trust me by posting much steam drama.

So, Lemuria, email me [email protected] so I can give you back your nation.

>>152950529
Okay what the fuck is happening to /v/anheim? Why is it so dramatic lately? Are these bans for real? Will I not get bombarded with Blitz announcements every four hours from now on?

>>152952237
What did he say again?

And god damn how can people live with that sort of forum system nowadays, having to do a public apology to get back and all that shit, 4chan spoiled me rotten, if I say stupid shit it gets forgotten the day after, if I get banned I just reset my router and get back to calling OP a faggot, it's like a whole 'nother world out there.

Defenders or tower guards?

>>152953991
Tower Guards usually. It's a choice of 4 really good or 5 good. When it comes to crossbow-spam, which is their main use, numbers are what you want. Tower Guards can also hold a line very well and their extra numbers for the same price should go a ways towards making up for their slightly inferior gear.

>>152954119
Cheers, Never played man before

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>>152954239
>Never played Man before
Prepare to fall behind and die due to having no mage versatility. I'd recommend looking for a neighbor who has no shields. You'll need to become very conventionally strong quickly if you want to stand up to the blood nations. Ideally you'll kill the blood nations before they gather any significant strength.

LA Man really aren't that strong a nation. They have awesome crossbow-wielding heavy infantry, but beyond that you're kind of strapped for options.

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>mfw someone burdens my time

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>>152954559
>play non-human nation
>he gets dogpiled while I occasionally prey on those throwing their all at them

>>152952971
>>152953353
Goddamnit admin.

And goddamnit Lemuria who is surely in some weird timezone and will wake up in 12 hours at least because things can never go quickly.

About how dangerous is 10-20 cavemen? Will mostly heavy infantry have a problem with them on an early expansion?

>>152957298
they are decently dangerous against ermored troops.

they basically counter low defense high armored units but are as hard as 20-40 regular shitty indie units otherwise.
note that in a cave you'll have lower attack and defense and precision. archers do work well against them but unfortunately they will have low precision in the cave.

>>152957298
Cavemen by themself are pretty crap, they're only dangerous because they hit hard and they're usually in caves and so all your troops get a darkness penalty. Just think of them as bigger barbarians.

>>152957416
>>152957551

Alright, sounds decently dangerous then, as I imagine they can one-twohit heavy infantry. And with the penalties in darkness it might not be worth risking so early.

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>>152957416

>ermored troops

Cavemen is also one of the types of troops that can consistently kill expanding earthsnake. They can hit through its prot and it can rarely kill them fast enough because of the high hp.

>>152952017
>>152952145
>extension on the first turn
It's gonna be a good game, I can feel it already.

>>152957979

Let's just restart because I got a shit start location.

>>152957979
>>152958270
It was an error with the subbing, Lemuria will turn in his turn as soon as he gets his email back, I hope.

>>152950863
What part of Trippical if not filled isn't obvious?

>>152959854

"If not filled" is pretty obvious, yes.

Uhh... Mr. admin, I already made my turn, what the fuck? Because of your mistake I can't sub for Ragha in the same game. Apply yourself.

>>152960060
I meant if not filled before I left, whatever suits you though.


I'm as suprised as you are that I have Internet access.

>>152960381

Yah, just figured I'd throw it open in case anyone else wanted. Will have to track down Trippical when I can get on steam, no doubt.

>>152960223
YOU DUN GOOFED COOLSTORY

>>152960457
LIKE IT WAS MY FAULT YOU ILLITERATE FOOL

>>152960498
I TOLD YOU I WAS RAGHA

>>152960554
WHEN YOU GET THE TURN YOU DO THE TURN THATS HOW THE WORLD WORKS

>>152960618
I can't fault that, and everyone was waiting for Lemuria.

Gonna need a sub

>>152950863
>>152960381
I'm not getting fucked up, but that army is scary. I hope trippical is a noob for my sake if he's gonna steer that stack into my lands.

>>152961328
Aka, can we find a noob sub?

Get your Latus turns in boys! Work is less important.

>>152962330
roger dodger

>>152962550
don't think you aren't welcome here.

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Where the heck is MemeOfTheAges admin hiding? There is some subbening to be done.

>>152950863
I'll take it if it's free. Who are you on steam?

>>152948998
>>152948741
If it has the gladiator tag, they disappear after one battle which makes them decidedly less good

>>152950529
>August 26th, 2016. 6:19 PM.
>It's only 11 am where I live.

The future is bleak.

>>152960456
Will be on Steam for the rest of the day sorry I was indisposed last night

Just a heads up to anyone thinking of buying this game.

The AI is broken and it will never be fixed. Most people on this thread will lie or make excuses for it instead of pushing the devs to fix it. Don't listen to there bullshit.

>>152965017
Bro, literally everyone here will tell you that singleplayer is only for practice because the AI is dogshit. Multiplayer is where it's at.

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>>152965017
You mean, telling everyone who plays the game in singleplayer to play it in multiplayer instead because the AI is bad?

>>152965017
Are there lurkers in /domg/? Why would anybody who isn't already into the game come here?

>>152965291
It's possible that someone heard about the game on /v/ or /tg/ and got interested.

Yesterday there was a thread about the new Master of Orion on /v/ that turned into Dominions shilling halfway through.

>>152965414
>new Master of Orion
what's this?

>>152965443
I haven't played it so I don't know if it's any good, but apparently there's a MoO remake that came out on Steam and GOG yesterday.

>>152965562
groovy, I'll have to look into that. How did it link to Dominions?

>>152965151
>>152965228


to anyone who's confused and looking to buy this game and listening to these morons.

The AI in the game is shit. Multiplayer unit AI is shit. The game is buggy and unintuitive. When you see all the excuses people make for it I hope you can come to the same conclusion.

Either way, don't waste your time on this broken game filled with niggers who make excuses for the devs and the shit game they play.

>>152965630
People were complaining that MoO was too dumbed down and asking for alternatives, somehow Dominions got mentioned and some people asked questions about it, so I decided to post some pictures and answer questions.

>>152964632

No worries. Now you just need to pit yourself in gladatorial combat against >>152964379 in order to determine who gets to sub in.

I'm at work at the moment and will be on steam in maybe two hours.

>>152965875
groovy, we need more recruits

That was a Great fight, Pan! Glad to see you didn't lose many mages, that would have sucked for you to recoup those, with all the unrest you have to have by now with all those Revelers. Maybe in 15 or so turns we could have another fight and see how our armies stack up to each other then. Good luck with your other conquests though!

>>152965017
You might apply the same logic to virtually every strategy/tactics game from StarCraft to Civ. Most strategy games have an AI that does effectively random stuff, the primary difference is that Dominions gives the AI more rope to hang itself with rather than its decision-making process being particularly awful (for example, in SC2 it tends to do "a bit of everything" kind of builds on one base such that any attack with high-tech units it might do, could be beaten by triple blind expand because it's so undecisive and comes so late, while any determined early attack will push it over because it spends so much on tech it simply doesn't have enough troops to defend).

>>152965797
For anyone who doesn't remember the previous argument he started, this guy's 'problem' with the game is that he gave an order to his units and they didn't do exactly what he thought they would.

>>152966326
Literally this.
It's not good, but it's on par or better than most highest difficulty AIs of other strategy games.

What happens when two commanders attack each other's province in the same turn?

>>152967134
Random. Either one commander moves to the enemy province and the battle happens there, or the other way around.

>>152967174

There's also a chance that they move past each other, but that's much less likely than a battle.

>>152967303
I think that depends on the size of the forces involved

>>152967174
>>152967134

it depends on army size and other factors. no one knows the exact mechanism, but we can safely say one very small army won't stop a definitely bigger one from moving for one turn .

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>>152951091
Superb taste! I main them myself doncha know?

-Aiwas

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>>152950442
yes

WHICH NATION HAS THE LEAST AMOUNT OF BLACK PEOPLE IN IT?

>>152968082
Machaka.

>>152968082
All of them except Machaka and Beri.

>>152966143
Reminder that next time, it will be tarts people fight against.

>this feeding frenzy on slanteyes

>>152968180

Devs of this game are revisionist fucks. Everyone knows Europe had mixed populations in them during the medieval and classical ages. The dream of a white utopia of yesteryear is just a myth spawned by neo-nazis and white nationalists.

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>>152969291

>>152969291
Is this spillover from /v/ or /pol/?

>>152969291
are you for real or just delusional?

aside from minor arab-north african presences in south italy and spain there was not much africa-europe racemixing going on.

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>>152969291
>magic beings, mythical beasts, undead and other minorities not counting towards diversity
Check your privilege, human

>>152969494
>>152969563
>>152969578
>>152969818
I sure hope you niggers realize that's not an honest attempt at bait but sarcasm.

>>152969578

Actually there weren't that much population movement during the Arabian conquest of Sicilly. Mostly just Arabian nobles that took up residence there, while the native population were Sicillian. It also didn't last enough to leave a lasting impact.

The Moors in spain though is another question. The medieval/modern Castillian ethnicity has long been a mix of north Africans, Visigoths and Iberian natives. While a lot of systematic purging is sure to have taken place during the reconquista, the cultures more or less merged together, even though there were a lot of forced conversion.

At this point I want Tashna to die just so the turns will go faster

>>152969818
>Human
>Privilege

What about health, magic resistance, recuperation, map move, strength, stealth and dick size privileges of satyrs for example?

>>152969971
I think we all do.
>>152970128
And here it is, when others get good stats entitled humans are pissed. Shame on you.

Which nations are best for raiding?

>>152970690
Caelum

>>152970690
Alfir

>>152965875
>MoO alternatives

Just play MoO 2

>>152970690
Tier 1:
Recruitable stealthy fliers: Xibalba

Tier 1.5:
Recruitable fliers: Caelum, Ragha

Tier 2:
Elves (ponyman thugs with stealth and ability to Cloud Trapeze in combined with strong stealthy armies)

Tier 2.5:
Other nations with powerful stealth armies (Pangaea being #1 in that regard)
Non-recruitable fliers that can be massed up in large quantities: Blood nations should they choose to summon units like devils or ozelotls en masse with flying commanders
Nations with good remote attack spells (such as Send Horror while tagging provinces with an indie scout)

Tier 3:
Other nations with stealth armies (for example, Kailasa could in principle engage in raiding game with stealthed apes but they lack the sheer efficiency of centaurs), affordable thugs or mobile troops that simply perform well in small numbers. Raiding doesn't require any special characteristics from units, pretty much every faction is better off diverting some of their forces at least to a degree

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I know some people have trouble visualizing province distances on maps like Oeridia and Flatus with a lot of indirect movement so I made this to show off how interconnected the fleet system in Flatus is.

A MM3 Flying army starting from a white province can reach any other colored province in one turn. The effect is even more pronounced with longer ranges. I'm thinking about doing one reaching out to 6 provinces to show Teleport and Cloud Trapeze options but that would take longer so maybe tomorrow or something.

Also, I knew that the blood plane was literally free money but I hadn't realized until I was making this how incredibly defensible it is. Unless you're attacking with amphibious armies there's literally a 1-province chokepoint for that entire region AND it's very far removed from the very interconnected rest of the world. Even if you're attacking over water there's still just two fronts, three if you manage to break through the portal.

If you're anywhere near that side of the map please get some scouts up there asap so we can know who's hiding in there and fund your fatwa against them.

>>152971787
LA Caelum has recruitable stealthy fliers which completely TRASH the ones Xibalba has.

>>152972774
Xibalba's dudes have no HP and no helmets, one rain of stones and they are literally all dead, however by the time RoS comes on line they should have all arch devils and ice devils and 3 turns away from all demon lords

>>152968753
Who borders Jomon? How many free provinces did they get?

Also, damn this game is going fast all of a sudden.

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>>152973210
???????

The discussion was about stealthy fliers. Caelum's stealthy fliers are much better than Xibalba's.

>>152971787
Situational: add +1 to your tier if you have sailing and are fighting someone along a coastline.

>>152973494
you're using them to raid. Your goal is to hit low PD. Having cheaper, lower res flyers is better than more expensive ones. Xibalba's are also foreign recruit which is frankly HUGE and matters much more than many other factors (eg - I'd say that EA Ulm is better at raiding than most elf nations)

>>152973494
>>152974221
That said, Raven Guard are dank af. Love me some LA Caelum

>>152971787
desu having cheap squads is as good as having stealthy ones. I'd say that a nation like TNN is bad at raiding compared to Lanka or Sceleria, because it's easy for them to send 40 longdead to every province on your border, whereas TNN's troops are relatively expensive for what they do in a fight.

>>152972070
I've got a person there, no contact yet.

>>152974221
To be fair, a big asset for raiders is ability to redeploy them in pitched battles should this ever be required. This is especially true for flying armies that can fly to a single province at will and crush the opponent with overwhelming numbers and then immediately spread out to cover more territory (this is why I think flying is a much bigger deal than mere stealth).

Was getting caught part of your plan?

Alright, I'm home. Ye who would sub, show up in chat. I know Trippical's already there, but he's apparently fucked off AFK.

How does /domg/ handle their games? Just let them crowd the inbox? Archive them into a seperate folder?

I'm using PBEM manager and it seems not to like if you delete turn messages. At least it will give you very confusing messages. Mostly I've dowloaded the turn and deleted it, but now I think I should archive them, if I can get PBEM manger to read the right category.

>>152975118
I have a seperate gmail account. I rarely log into it, PBEM manager handles everything fine.

>>152974330
How exactly do you play LA Caelum? EA/MA tactics with spammable Thunder Strikers seem to be effectively disabled due to absence of reliable A2s and Storm caster. Is it using buffs like Strength of Giants on Raven Guards while throwing out Shadow Blasts/Bane Fire Darts with harab Seraphs that were lucky enough to get useful randoms or how do you play them?

>>152975118
I made an image showing how to organize Gmail to keep the games separate that I've shared a few times. I just use the built in label management. Takes about a minute to set up for each game I join and it works very easily from then on out. Plus it keeps everything archived for me which is neat if I ever want to go look back at old games for some reason.

>>152975118
I just deleted 1500 emails of turn confirmations. I was losing messages from friends and family, and it's bad enough abandoning them in meatspace to play turns without also forgetting their attempts to reach me.

>>152972070
>If you're anywhere near that side of the map please get some scouts up there asap so we can know who's hiding in there and fund your fatwa against them.
It's really easy to check who's hiding there, there are only like 3 possible candidates in my experience.
Ragha, Xibalba, Abysia.
I've done quite a bunch of respawn tests and nobody else spawned there.

Losers get dumped into a wasteland plane of death, fiery plane or a mountain plane of air.
So you just need to confirmation from two loser nations on their spawn position to know who's in Blood.

>>152974960
I'm at work. I can't join chat, but if you have a steam name I can message you with my mobile.

>>152975118

Got filters set up. If sender is turns@llamaserver and subject contains: [GameName] then shift it into that game's folder.

Makes it easy to see where I've turns pending and such.

>>152975651

PyroICFF

>>152975648
That's not a great position to be in. Either admit to an insanely strong start or admit to starting with lots of extra gems. I suppose starting in the fire plane is the closest of the three to a normal start since >fire gems.

>>152974907

Black, you certain about your decision? I see the whole map, I see exactly how you are in the middle of quite a few nations. I see them massing their forces near your border and I see that you are already at war with Burgundy in the north. You broke your word and I gave you the chance to rectify it by returning that which is rightfully mine, even offering to pay for the loses you took in taking the province. You decided to taunt me instead. So, again, are you certain this is the path you are going to take?

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>>152975648
>>152972070
>>152974568
Don't bully bats pls

>>152975440

Can you repost the image?

How do you play asphodel? Popkill and expensive mages seems like a flawed setup. Should I just transform all my panic apostates?

>>152976625
Unfortunately not now, I'm at work.

>>152975708

Are you using a local client? I'm using the gmail web client.

>>152976662
I believe W9 Black Centaurs give you an early start, and afterwards you rely on summoned mages and hordes of mannikins.

Of course, I've lost every game I've played as Asphodel, so I may not be a good source of information.

>>152953887
No, i gave Tadgar moderator as a joke so he could shitpost without any of the mods being able to kick him. He proceeded to go on a banning spree i undid. I found it pretty funny.

>>152977265
Sounds fairly based to me.

>>152977392
Of course it was fellow mod- i mean anonymous poster. The moderation sure is based.

>>152976601
You have to learn to share, or you have to learn about typos in summod.

So, I'm getting ready for a new version. Any bugs people want to report?

I'm aware of the barbarian thing, abysia spell, Lemuria message, and raghan elephants.

>>152977556
Merge my Ur + thed changes plx

>>152977556
You know that when you blind expand turn 1 you get two welcome to summod messages?

>>152977556
nerf skelies and buff EA Ulm

>>152977732
You can have up to 4, awake pretender + fucking lucky scout.

>>152977556
Wait is there a barbarian thing? Earlier I just bitched about them being buffed from vanilla which I thought was intentional.

>>152977949
Somebody kept crashing due to a sprite error with them.

>>152977556
The item Wound Fend Amulet, that costs 5E5S gems in vanilla, and is supposed to cost 5S only in Summod (from what I gathered), and cost 5S5S instead.

>>152978063
99% sure that's intentional.

>vanheim drama
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>>152978416
Quality post

>>152978062
Oh right that.

>>152977695
Not a bug, also no pull to merge.

>>152977732
Easy to fix. I'll make it cap only.

>>152977783
Not a bug.

>>152978062
Yep. I can't reproduce the error, but I'll try messing around, see if that works.

>>152978063
Added to list

>>152978416
WAD

>>152978586
Thanks friend

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"Bane, I'm CIA"
"Dr Pavel wasn't alone."
What did he mean by this?

>>152978731
Fine, I'll set a pull.

Also just make there be two events, one with #notext and one without

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>Ragha working his way to Jomon's cap straight through like 4 provinces
>Lemuria just jumps right on it across the river the turn before Ragha gets there

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>>152975118
this. and when the end i shove them into a "multiplayerarchive" directory.

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>>152979073
Yeah sorry about that Ragha, you should have gone faster.

>>152977556
i found a serious bug when playing Pangea.

>>152979672
If you cast transformation and ended up with a spellcasting bug then that's vanilla.

>>152976757

Yeah. My own mailserver down into Thunderbird. I dunno if gmail lets you set up message filters.

>>152966526

I'll bite.

What can a player do to avoid having a ranged squad rush into melee when a single member is attacked in melee range? Because the "Pull Back and Fire" command doesn't work with a squad when a SINGLE unit is in melee range.

What can a player do to make it so his mages aren't retards that fight assassins with shitty spells? Because instead of retreating (They die if they retreat IIRC, even though they're escaping from there assassin) or casting good spells (Like Return or something useful) they just normally cast shit spells and die easy as all hell.

What other common "Not broken AI you're just bad" problems are going to come up that will push a player off this game?

Because as much as I want to enjoy this game all that shit is retarded as fuck and even if I "get used to it baddy" I expect to find a bunch more "Not broken" shit to get annoyed at because of it.

>>152979534
>i staled

>>152980195
Assassins versus mages is the most infuriating goddamn shit I'll give you that but overall it's hardly a problem and it's something you can work around if you need to. That does sometimes mean certain options basically don't exist (fire and keep distance) which is a flaw but the game is still very enjoyable, challenging, and rewarding in spite of its flaws.

>>152979803
it's not that.
it was more about being the best nation to put up one of the best gemgen global early(which is accidentally in the same school it wants for battle), very good capital gems, one of the best expansion phase with sacreds, upkeep free freespawn in hilarious quantities, the best gold based non sacred troop, Really good paths in all of its mages, access to one of the most wanted and rare of the cheap boosters, access to blood troops, forest recruit of mages, commanders, scouts and troops, cheap temples,archer cavalry and troops of various kinds, palisades while having good paths to summon siege chaff, sacred mage assasins with summon paths that might automatically retreat into a safe province after having done their job(saving themselves from any patrolling),having an extremely good, big and thuggable mage that isn't cap-only, being able to recruit the best scout of the game in any forest, and above all having all of this shit stealthy.

>>152980195

In order to prevent your ranged idiots from meleeing, a group of melee troops in line formation in front of them set to Hold and Attack Closest will prevent them from advancing close enough to get caught.

The casting AI is less than ideal, but providing your mages who are at risk of assassination with autosummon items will generally go a long way to helping. They also tend to perform better with deeper research, because the spells they have access to are better. Also, patrol regularly. If you're being attacked in your own castles you shouldn't have issues hunting down any assassins. If you're on an enemy fort, you're just gonna have to suck it up and gear those mages.

That and the gem use thing are the main ones.

Is that you, MAMemegames Machaka?

I graduated from navy boot camp so now I can finally get into vidya again.

>>152980895

Revellers aren't particularly amazing now that they're undisciplined.

They're still pretty good, but they're not amazing.

Also archer cavalry is terrible why the hell do you think that is good.

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Ragha has fire weapons

Burds have ice weapons

What if they touch?

>>152981419
???

I didn't post a picture

>>152981549
yeah u did

>>152981419

Clearly you did, Black. Now answer >>152976526, instead of ignoring me.

>>152981865
Fuck off, natgen games are shit

>>152982007

We're not playing a natgen game, you furry faggot.

Does PD count towards the army HP on the battlefield, for the purposes of rout check thresholds?

>>152982296
Yes

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>>152982087
Say that in my game not in yours see what happens

>>152977556
What about the LA Pythium snake transformations, I haven't check the rest of the things, oh also is it intended the Snake priest to become H4 when propheted up from H2

>>152982394
t. Pan

>>152982394

He's not the one who can't recognize a Cataclysm game.

Atlantis, why the outrageous demands? You are not exactly in a position were you can do that.

>>152982492
They are intended to become h4, yes. I remember being told about the snake issues, but I'll need more details.

What exactly is the effect of the H level on preaching? Do you get more temple checks with a higher H level or does it just give a better chance at dominion spread?

>>152983923
M A N U A L

>>152980195
All games are about working within the limits of game systems such as they are and it's almost inevitable that non-trivial games tend to have some weird shit (many of the most celebrated games do). A game like Brood War isn't a lesser (and certaintly not worthless) game because you can unintuitively clump up mutalisks by including an overlord in the control group, and neither is Dominions because of its oddities. Flash didn't go "bawww, mutalisks shouldn't be able to be microed with such efficiency, Blizzard pls fix the group movement behaviour", he built turret rings and recruited goliaths and valkyries and generally devised his strategies and tactics to beat how the unintentional and flawed mechanics of the game actually caused mutalisks to function in practise.

Similarly, while scripting options in Dominions have some major limitations (fire and keep distance command IS one of them) even despite it being the best of its kind (there are squad-level tactics games with pre-planning but I'm not aware of anything army level), units not behaving exactly as you might want them to is an inherent part of the system. Lack of omniscient control where you can micromanage units at will is one of the big strengths of the game (it enables the simultaneous turns format, developing a plan to counter the opponent and then waiting to see how it works out is incredibly thrilling, and it approaches the mindset of historical generals - Hannibal wasn't there microing his Iberian and Gaulish troops to pull back, the troops were instructed to do so in advance and after the deployment Hannibal could only hope that they did follow his orders instead of routing, and that his plan would work as intended) and while there's room for improvement for unit AI, the nature of the mechanic is such that they don't always do what you wanted them to and you should have predicted this behaviour and planned accordingly.

>>152982964
He has no bargaining power, I'm taking all his lands.

>>152983923

Preaching does not generate temple checks.

>>152980195
Already been explained to you multiple times, kindly fuck off

>>152968753
Jeez don't you guys know you should buy a lad some dinner and some roses before a gang bang.

>>152987098
>>152980195
As for the whole assassin deal, there would be even more mage deaths if mages immobilized themselves with Communion Slave or passed out from casting Army of the Lead so following combat scripts isn't a good solution. Unit AI trying to "intelligently" determine if they should follow the script is the exact opposite of what you want (not to mention it would be even more infuriating if a mage decided to not follow your perfect anti-assassin script, predictability once you correctly understand the mechanics is good). Having separate scripts for assassinations would be horrible bloat.

And besides, there are plausible thematic reasons for mages behaving such as they do (for example, suppose spells require various materials and other preparations in order to be cast and a mage surprised in his bed doesn't have them at hand) and there are plenty of assassin counters (ranging from autosummon items like Bottles of Living Water or bodyguards to patrolling or simply accepting the possibility of attrition and setting up redundancies in battle scripts).

>>152987174
Well good, I've killed his snake. Everything on my side of the mountains is mine, everything on the other side is yours. Nothing goes to Atlantis.

>>152987803
You can also bring a shitton of decoy indie commanders and scouts.

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>>152987803
>>152987098
Damn bruh. Nice.

No Machaka, its not cool to send gems instead of gold. I am fucking broke and I needed that gold. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>152987803
Still, though, caster AI could really use another pass for assassinations. I about had an aneurysm as LA Abysia watching dozens of my H2F2D1 mages get assassinated turn after turn. They all started with Bless (I had no bless!) and Holy Avenger then usually died right around then. I know that the game weighs different spell options against some table of input to decide what to cast but there's absolutely no reason for those two spells to be valued so highly. The goal of an assassination battle is to kill the other person. Secondary to that is not dying. Bless and Holy Avenger technically fall into those categories, I suppose, but only in the tiniest and least helpful ways.

I know what I'm asking for is a complicated and time consuming effort but some of the decisions in this game seem so infuriatingly baffling. Maybe that's just because I can't see the low-level decision making process.

The B2 guys at least will cast Infernal Prison and Summon Imps with a few slaves. Love those guys.

>>152989142
Just send your troops towards Vanarus, they'll die and you got some spare income.

Any new games starting?

Is it possible to repopulate a completely empty province?

Ok what the fuck is going on. Is Lambert still around?

Also Lemuria email me you goddamn email so you can win this game.

>>152989981
In principle it's possibly by wishing for population. There are also events that can change population.

Realistically, however, no.

>>152989742
All the time. You just need to make one or wait a bit.

>>152990117
>Wishing for population

You can do that? How? I just thought Wish just plucked single units out of the void for you to use, which is kinda unnecessary when you can just use Magical Enhancement on Sacred commanders to substitute.

>>152990301
unfortunately it's very cost ineffective at repopulating provinces.

>>152990301
Similar to some classic RPGs, you can wish for all kinds of things. The thing is, in real practise only a handful of units (such as Seraphim or Chayot) and gems are worth the massive cost (if you have Arcane Vortex up, by spending the gems on stuff you get enough astral pearls to cast another wish).

>>152989983
>people let Lemuria win a game
/domg/ is such an unleashed scrubbery, that it's not even funny...

>>152990529
I'm playing a bot game, and I have absolutely no qualms in wasting all my gems to repopulate the Scelerian capital and border fort.

Thanks for the advice, though. But do I seriously just type in "population" into Wish while having my mage sit on that province?

>>152990301

Wish can do a lot of things.

But yeah, wishing for population doesn't actually generate new population, it just moves the entire population of some other province to the one wish is cast in. Including any army that was present.

>>152990728
http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/a-guide-to-wish appears to have a list of possible options

>>152990710

Lemuria has won many games. Meme games with giant maps are especially fertile for Lemuria wins.

What's the best nation for playing Simcity?

>>152990710
If Lemuria survives their initial neighbors, it will take several years to actually beat them, so most people just AI or chainstale at that point.
And I don't mean in game years either. People should know how hard it is taking 1 fort from Lemuria. Now imagine taking several hundred.

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>>152990806
>>152990805
Oh, "kill [name]" is also a potentially useful command and in some circumstances wishing for an artifact might be. But those are already comparatively niche, gems and seraphim are what you typically wish for.

>>152990849
Well, you are right, indeed, but that just means that people in an extremely large maps have to remove Lemuria with all their might.

>>152990971

I've actually had my pretender survive someone wishing for his death before.

Monuments are hard motherfuckers.

>>152990853
Sauromatia

>>152990971
Things worth wishing for:
Gems (on an Alt site, or with Nexus)
Seraphs, Telkhines (depends on what you need)
Certain Heroes (Abductor, Kin-Breaker if N9, some others for rare diversities)
Demon Lords (if an enemy has them, and you want them to not have them).
Artifacts (Either the Gatestone, or again, if an enemy has them and you'd rather they didn't).
Bloodslaves (only if you cannot bloodhunt any other way - good for bootstraping).
Magic Power (only in memegames, cheaper than empowering in Astral after a certain point though).
Kill <name> (for when you want to maybe kill a pretender).

>>152990971
>>152991079
>>152990806
>>152990805
Is there any downside to having an Immortal use "whatever"?

>>152991217
How come?

>>152990971
Oh, and Genocide can be useful for dealing with Lategame Blood if you're ahead of them in gems.

>>152991296

You're out of a hundred astral pearls for some shit that is not worth 100 astral pearls.

>>152991717
And even if you needed gold, on average, wishing for gold would net you a lot more.

If I cast Transfer Mind, is there any way to pick out an individual to Transfer to?
I have a bunch of elephants that are all identical in an army and I want to leave one in the garrison for my nature mage to transfer his mind to but I see no way of knowing which one that is when I'm choosing a target for the spell.

Also if I cast Transfer Mind on a unit in an army that is moving this turn, will the Mind Transfer'd target remain in the province or move with the army?

>>152991264
>Seraphs, Telkhines
I can tell those are probably SCs, but I don't exactly think SCs are that useful against the wide variety of bullshit Vanheim can deploy.

>>152991872
also amazing magic paths for forging/rituals

>>152991872
They're super-powered casters (both on and off the battlefield).

Seraphim are really good SC chassis, though, because they have such good resistances and other properties that it's actually quite feasible to cover the rest of the bases as well and make them survivable against all but dedicated counters. A Seraph with Phoenix Pyre and a lot of reinvigoration for example is really difficult to take down for most armies.

Is there a spell to change chassis aside from transformation?
I remember a mind-transfer thing, but i don't know if it's the same.

>>152991296
I usually have a rainbow pretender heavily favoring astral in games where I end up using wish. I always wish for magic power to boost all of his paths at once. It's guaranteed to be worth at the very least, twice its cost in gems.

>spent weeks turnbullying, slowly advancing the turn timer from night to alte afternoon so i could do doubleturns
>llamaserver fuckups and the subbening push back turn timer at like 6 AM

fuck that.

>>152992624
didn't Leumuria in the last Latus end up with an all 10 pretender?

Can a "Magical Power" Wish backfire?

>>152993645
No, it's always +1 in all magic paths.

>>152993794
Excellent.

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>Moggers denies me a cap and a throne
>Go half way across the map to snag a two different thrones and win anyways
lmao

>>152992978
No, I ended up with a whore of a god who got visited by 2-3 doom horrors per turn.
I had a Grand Lemur who hit S10, with at least 2 in everything else. Felt no need to go any further.

Just got a Stalker from a random event. What should I do with him?

>>152995224
call the police

>>152995224
Stalk qties

>>152995224
keep it as scout, then when you can craft water bottles use it as a surprise assasin with a water bottle.

>>152995525
>craft water bottles
Dafuq? I'm looking over the crafting list, and the only water bottle I can see is the Bottle of Living Water.

>>152996921
That's the one, yes.

Water Elementals are retarded.

>>152996921
That's it. Best way to win a on on one is to bring friends.

Units temporarily lose two defence PER ATTACK right?

>>152997069
>>152997041
Huh.

Still, isn't there an item that gives commanders imp guards in fights?

Spam camazotzs with black hearts, yes or no?

>>152997320
Yes, but the blood slaves needed to forge lifelong protection are arguably more valuable than 10 water gems, and water bottles aren't cursed.

yes take it berytoes before a random event pop up a fort over it like it did with madagascar; just leave poor madagascar alone, it's going to be used for housing refugees.

>>152997320
Imps are trash, they flee if a stiff breeze hits them and deal no damage.

Water elements hit super hard, are pretty durable, and never flee.

Same theory, but one is a lot better than the other.

>>152997794
Kay.

What's the most ideal setup for stealth-focused assassins?

>>152997984
Better way of phrasing that, actually: What are the best stealth items?

>>152997984
You can't assassinate without stealth what are you talking about? You could put ranger's boots and cloak for a total of +50 to existing stealth which will put you at 100+ stealth on most assassins

>>152998352
Technically you can if you have a commander with a black heart in a beseiged fort.

>>152997984
Chuck a ranger cloak and boots on them, give them two water bottles.

Expensive, but it works against 95% of mages in the game.

>>152998352
Ah. Thanks.

What about for hands and head?

I was testing out some stuff with the debug mod and I've had Kurgi and Hunter of Heroes under my control for about 10 turns, I thought they had like a 50% chance to go rogue. Is wishing for Horrors worth it now?

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Where does one get the nat gen mod?

Pic unrelated for visibility

>>153000157
https://github.com/elmokki/nationgen

If you're referring to the specific seed being used in a game, you should be able to download it via llama. If not, ask the admin.

Most female pretenders should have a seduction trait desu I mean you'd have to be gay not to say yes to some action from a (possible) Goddess.

>>153000157
Check the steamgroup thread about the game, mega and vola are dead but the zippyshare one still works.

>>153000492
This poster is based

>>153000492
There should be an item that gives seduction

Now I can't select my nation; I already tried creating a new game with the mod enabled. Even started a new game and made a pretender too.

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Abysia 2h file received
Agartha 2h file received
Arcoscephale 2h file received
Asphodel 2h file received
>C'tis Waiting for 2h file
Ermor 2h file received
Man 2h file received
Marignon 2h file received
Nazca 2h file received
Pelagia 2h file received
Ulm 2h file received
Vanheim 2h file received

>>152960935
On turn two?

>>153002418
>>153001941
He apparently bailed right as the game started

Well, anyone want in a MA game? You aren't really even picking up some one else's pieces, the game is on turn two so you're basically in a fresh game.

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>>153001647
If you were a virgin neckbeard sitting in the library studying magic all day and a 6m tall snakewoman with huge tits shows up and wants snu snu just like in your import-only Yomi scrolls, items don't come into it.

>>153002418
I bet he blind expanded and lost his god or something. Play it out Jesus Christ...

>>153002685
I don't remember posting that image but whatever.

>>152977556
Please god let this new version work. Its a wasteland for non summod games and Im dying

>>153002825
Nano'd, bitch

>>153000735
Did you try turning it off then on again?

Serious suggestion actually.

>>153002685
More like you are an alpha zealot making 200k a year working for God incarnate when Satan herself appears before you and tries to seduce you with lust.

Best helmet and arms for assassins?

>>153003408
Don't waste gems on helms and weapons, *maybe* a vine bow or a banefire crossbow or a wand of some sort. Just the skeleton talisman is fine.

>>153003408
Generally none as it is a waste of gems and could fall into enemy hands.
But if you want to make a million dollar man tier assassin Skullface would be the best as it lets you cast horde of skeletons.

>>153002967
No dice. I'm sorry Lambert, it's gonna stale.

>>153003697

On the less ridiculously expensive side, the terror spam mask works pretty well. It only has one target, and they only need to fail once. Helps against shit that can chew through the skelespam faster than the assassin can spam.

>>153003696
You sure about Banefire?

>>153005563
Nope, it's pure theorycraft.

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>>153006537

>>153002681
I'll do it, be in the chat for the next hour or so

>>153007241
Typed in chat, awaiting email

You know, I'm honestly a bit surprised that "slow turns" doesn't ever seem to be used as justification for coalition against a particular nation. You'd think it would be the one thing people could agree on.

>>153006537
Then what's the next best weapon?

>>153009716
Summoning more water elementals. Failing that, Vine Bow to nuke their defence while your bottled water beats them up.

>>153008928
That would involve being a massively petty cock, and also opening you up to retaliation if you ever happened to make a series of slow turns.

For all it's autistic faults, the Dominions 4 community has some principles which it seems to stick to implicitly.

>>153008928
As long as they're not staling I don't care.

>>153002685
>>/x/

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>>153010313
more like /xxx/ amirite?

>>153008928
That seems like silly reasoning. I base my in game actions on what's actually going on in game.

>>153010529
Depends on if that person is weak. If they're strong, no one will want to fight them, so making a coalition against them is pointless.

>>153011205
>let's not fight the strong guys and let them have their way
Classic /domg/. I really wish you were wrong, but it's a mindset. Everybody's too scared to take on the top dawgs.

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>>153013505
Good thing I'm always top dog
always

>>153013920
Is that the badmin ?

I'm sorru if I tale. I think I have a girlfriend now.

>>153014639
That's not an excuse
t. have a girlfriend

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>>153014797
Me too. Pic related.

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>>153015189

>>153014639
I'm going to rush you.

>>153014639

I still do my turns and I've been happily married for three years! And married for another five past that.

No excuses faggot.

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I KNOW THIS HURTS YOU

>>153015189
Best_girl.png

You forgot the "_for_ants" part.

What are the best mages to wish for? Is there a list of commanders out there that I can browse?

>>153015989
List of units: http://larzm42.github.i/dom4inspector/

It can depend, but usually you're wishing for demon lords, seraphs, telkines and some specific heroes like the Abductor.

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>>153015860
BETTER?

>>153016310
Keep digging yourself deeper, anon.

>>152991860
Anybody got any info on this? I just realized it's a spell from ME so it may not be something a lot of people know much about. I'll do some testing myself and post results if no one replies.

>>153016148
It's spelled "github.io".

Hey, wait a minute. The Dom4 inspector says there's an item called "Ivory Bow" that does the same thing as Banefire Crossbow, but isn't cursed. Why can't I use that weapon on my Stalker?

>>153016148

Chayots are also potentially worthwhile, if you are rich in N. When Transformationed, they become 6F6A6E6S10H

Which is fucking bananas. If they don't turn into a foulspawn, at least. Needs 58N though.

>>153017109
Because the banefire crossbow is much cheaper and easier to forge.
15 death gems and 5 air gems for a banefire crossbow that doesn't curse you and has more attacks (but no aoe on the decay effect) isn't worth it, especially not on an assassin that might quite easily die to a mage lucking out and casting a good spell.

>>153017128
>58N
That's a funny way to say 200+ N. Need to empower to N7 and all sort of sucks.

>>153017128
I like that picture of a chayot that has been turned into the most badass frog ever.

>>153015843
Does it work if you go with two charms ?

>>153017128
10H? Seriously?
Why would you need 58 nature gems? Or what do you mean with 58N?

>>153017908
You need several hundred nature gems to transform them to a form without -6 pathboost All.

>>153018018
Do you transformation doesn't usually have minus to paths? It's standard to transform your panic apostles as Asphodle.

Why is it different for those units?

>>153017612
So you're saying if I didn't care about Gem cost, the absence of curse would be worth it?

>>153018331
Because they start at -6 Nature path? You need to empower them 7 times before they're even N1. And you can't transform them before that.

>>153018479
Possibly? Most of the effective assassin techniques involve the assassin staying well away from the target in question anyway. Cheap and plentiful is better than few and expensive, when it comes to assassins.

Well, if you have all the boosters, you get +4 from items (+2 treelords, +1 moonvine, +1 ring of sorc) or even +5 if you want to give up the body slot, so you need to empower them to only N3

>>153019120
Nope. Items cannot increase the path of someone who has no path. And anything 0 or below is considered no path.
You can use a booster to go from 1 to 2 though.

Do Hydra Hatchlings turn into Hydras? If so, when?

>>153020015
no

Well, you need to empower it at least once regardless, and having a pathboost below zero still counts as having that path, so boosters still apply.

For example, you empower a monster with -4 pathboost all to N2. You then give it a Treelord Staff and a Moonvine Bracelet. It will display as having N1, because it now has N5, but -4 from the pathboost, despite having N0 without those items.

>>153020236
That's fucking stupid.

>>153020558
Hydras hit old age at 270. I've ne'er seen a dominions game go far past 10 years.

>>153020558
If it worked like that, EA Riley's freespawn would become insane with BoT.

Hey everyone.

I'm afraid I'll be moving shortly, and as such, I ask for understanding on any slow turns in the following games:

Persian dream
Big Trouble in Little Ragha
When you stale IRL

I don't forsee any causes for staling, but it may be difficult to find the times to play turns.

>>153021193
>When you stale IRL
How appropriate

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>>153021193
>slow turns

>>153016952
Transfer Mind is literally just Gift of Reason that can only target animals and kills the caster. It should work however Gift of Reason usually works.

>>153021416
>>153021234
In the event I stale, I will happily endure the penance /domg/ demands of me.

>>153019417
Have you never put D boosters on Pan's hero?

>>153021861
If you stale, you must win a game as triblessed MA Machaka without summod to appease the dominions illuminati.

>>153002815
He apparently didn't he's got a serviceable build actually, would have mixed the scales around personally and not gone for that particular bless but it should work out. I have no clue what my pretender chassis is or if it's imprisoned or not though, so I get a surprise. Oh boy!

>>153022050
Well shit, I was gonna go with Tribless MA Ulm. That's marginally less shit.

>>153022467
Well, at least tribless MA Ulm still has non-cap mages and troops worth a shit.

>>153022218
Computer issue to be honest

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>back from the beer store
>two turns waiting for me

Awww yis

>>153024720
What beer did you buy anon?

Should I switch to ME 1.2?
I think I'm gonna switch to ME 1.2 unless anyone objects.

Here's the remake again btw
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=GinnungagapREBIRTH

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