/edg/ & /scg/: Elite: Dangerous & Star Citizen General #27

goyim know

>>153032391
Slag the Banu! Space war now!

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Best ship

>>153032078
welp no money for that
I guess I'm not quitting dota

>>153032646
But thats not the brutus.

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>>153032740
I think I preferred the Silverback.

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>>153032646
Wrong image.

>>153032646
The more time passes the less and less that ship matches the aesthetic of the game, I don't think it out right looks bad like some people do. (although the interior is over the top for its roll)
But it dose not mach aegis' style, the general lines of the ship kinda fit but all the detailing is to much and It certainly dose not look like is belongs to or is related to any other manufacturer or ship.

>>153032646
>design ship literally off of a whale
>sell jpeg for $250

Pottery

>>153033385
>But it dose not mach aegis' style
But aegis' current style is ugly as sin. Red and black edgy space plane shit with too many fins added to it.

>>153033548
>Red and black edgy space plane
Its cool, dad.

>>153032646
remove the "tail" and put proper engines on it instead of curling irons and it would be kind of sexy.

Don't fucking sit there and tell me "Match Ready" and then make me wait 8-10 minutes for the player to join.

That means its not ready

>>153033548
I will give you that their current style is not very interesting but it at least looks a military craft not a tonka truck nerf gun accident like the old freelancer model.

Alright guys; I'm considering jumping on the Star Citizen meme and I think I want to fly a Gladius.

The thing is though, I'm trying to make an informed decision, and I'm not sure what if anything the Gladius has going for it over other fighters of its type, size and cost.

Can someone sell me on the Gladius, (or, more importantly, convince me to look into something different if it's really not good).

didn't see the new thread
>>153032249
Some sort of compensation for ship movement and relaxing of deadzones would probably work. Some sort of ED style gimbal assist might help too.

They do work right now, and it is fun to pretend to be Han/Luke don't get cocky, kid but to make them useful your pilot has to fly very a boring and predictable flight path which - at least on the connie, you're better off just throwing the thing around and bringing your main guns to bear. Manned turrets will be great on ships that you can't throw around like a scalded cat - like capitals etc - but on these smaller, dogfight capable ships, they are pretty dud.

>Go to engineer base
>Start shooting a harmless trader
>Get obliterated by the base for being a cunt

Oh wait. FD doesnt know how to make a video game.

>>153033963
You need a starter pack first and I don't think the gladius has one. Get an aurora starter pack and if you REALLY want a gladius get a lti argo and upgrade it to a gladius

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>>153033963
You're probably better off jumping on with the Aurora LN and associated package, but if you've got your heart set on the Gladius it's a maneuverable light fighter with a beefed up version that the UEE military still uses. It's extremely nimble, but rather weak hitting. If you like zipping around the battlefield like a crack addicted chipmunk that's what the Gladius tends to feel like.

>>153034214
It would be best if he got an aurora starter package, then upgraded the aurora to something with LTI, then upgraded that to a gladius or whatever else. That would work, wouldn't it?

>>153034214
>>153034260
I know about the need to get a starter pack. I was going to get one and upgrade immediately/after a bit.

I'm just trying to compare it to the Hornet and Avenger and so forth. Speed is wonderful, but the mounts look tiny in comparison (acknowledging of course that the hornet and its variants are bigger, heavier and more expensive.)

>>153034456
What's the cheapest ship that gives LTI? And not that it matters a lot, why the Aurora instead of the mustang starter package?

>>153034618
>why the Aurora instead of the mustang starter package?

If you're just gonna melt/upgrade, the Aurora is worth $5 "trade in value"

>>153034618
The Mustang tends to be an extremely soft target. If you're not decent with the game's controls you can end up shattering massively very quickly. The LN has a fairly decent weapons loadout and is a lot harder a target than its contemporaries. It's pretty good.

>>153034701
$5 more*

Where is Grim Hex in 2.5?

I fired Crusader up earlier but didn't see it in the jump points after taking off from Olisar and had to go do something before I could fart around

>>153034820
It is in the Yella asteroid field.

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>>153034950

Cool, thanks, I'm gonna go look for it now

>>153034820
Alternatively your could gain a wanted star and be able to see it in QT.

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>>153034795

The Auroras are also the only ships that are currently skinnable, which means you can pay an extra $5 to make your LN look like a disco space bus

>>153034618
You can only get LTI from concept sales now. Right now the only concept sale is for Argo MPUVs. You can upgrade from an aurora to the MPUV, but I'm not entirely sure that you get the LTI if you do that. You definitely get it if you buy it as a standalone ship though.

>Try out the training missions for Elite Dangerous.
>Give up fifteen minutes into the advanced combat mission due to awkward boring turnfighting.

I will never criticize Star Citizen combat again. I had my choice of shitty autotarget pulse lasers that didn't do any damage, and shitty railguns that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside and spiked my heat to insane levels.

>>153035152
It's the VISION that decreed ships should yaw slowly, and the VISION is not to be QUESTIONED

>>153035146

CCUs keep the insurance from the ship you're upgrading from, this is why you can buy a $35 Argo and then CCU to a Connie or whatever and the Connie will have LTI.

>>153033963
Use a referral code!

>>153035327

i wish the ccu from gladius to sabre was cheap

my gladius feels 100% like trash and that im wasting my time having it

i have a loaner f7c to use because cat ownership I think, and tryin it over the gladius just feels like its not worth the $20 so theres really nothing to upgrade from without dropping $ 100 to get the sabre

>>153035410
>>153035327
Okay, so let me get this straight, I should:

1. Buy the starter Aurora Package
1a. Use a referral code
2. Buy the MPUV
3. Melt the MPUV for my Gladius, now with LTI
4. Possibly melt my Aurora

Or can I:
2. Upgrade my Aurora to an MPUV
and get the LTI? Or do I have to buy it standalone to get the LTI?

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>>153035463
Then wait for the buccaneer to become flyable since it will probably have gladius like maneuvering with enough guns to actually give a shit about

>>153035654

First plan, no, if you melt the aurora you lose the game package.

You can buy the mpuv and upgrade to gladius SEPARATELY and have the aurora with the game package, then an add-on gladius

your second option is definitely no, as you only keep the insurance of the base purchase so if you ccu an aurora into an MPUV, you have an MPUV with like 3 months insurance.

dont bother

>>153035703

Did I happen to miss the Buccaneer concept sale? I'd love to get a supporting pirate ship for my Cat as something else to do... Gladius just feels too limited. If it already hit concept sale, how much was it?

>>153035703
But gladius isnt ugly, unlike buccaneer

>>153035737
Okay, so end result I get the starter aurora and take my MPUV and turn it into a LTI Gladius.

Result: I have an Aurora, a Gladius with LTI and the game package.

Then I can either use the Aurora as well or upgrade it into some other shit i dunno? But the important thing is I need not to ever melt it or bye-bye goes my game package.

>>153035813
Missed it a month or two ago, it went for $110, so if it turns out shit it can CCU to a base Hornet for free.

>>153035813
Concept sale was a few months back, it was $110.

>>153035880
Don't upgrade or melt aurora
It's tied to game package and only has 3 months insurance

>>153035852
I wish Chris didn't fuck with the Bucc design and make them add big, easily destructible wings to slap half the weapons to.

No wings and big engines was the Drake motif anyway.

>>153035891

That's good to hear. That means it'll only be $20-25 to upgrade Gladius into a Buccaneer, since the Gladius to Hornet CCU is like $20.

That sounds good and I'll wait for that. Gladius just feels underpowered in a game where speed doesnt seem to really matter

>>153035880
Technically you'll have an Aurora with the game package and a Gladius with LTI :) But yes, you could later upgrade the aurora if you wanted, but it's best to just hang onto it as a game package. IF you upgrade something from it, that will only have 3 months insurance.

I mean realistically, insurance won't fucking matter. You'll be able to buy it in game for pennies and a negligble impact on your income, so it's more convenience to have LTI than anything of actual value

>>153035986
Okay. But I'm right on the whole rest of the thing so long as I don't even fucking think about touching the aurora and the accompanying package. Right? Okay.

I think I've got it through my head, treat the game package like it's a bumper sticker on the Aurora. Right? Okay. Okay.

>>153036026
>>153035852
Don't talk about my z95 head hunter stand in like that

>>153035880
Correct.

Also referral code randomizer

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-1-rpqu70wunuwc4CS9oqXwh1TnFS73f8HJAtAgKWeU/htmlview

>>153036097

For the record, you won't break anything by upgrading the aurora. You'll still keep the package, but since the base insurance is only like 3 months I think? Not really worth it. Might as well wait and buy whatever you want outright

>>153036097
Yep. Don't mess with the game package. Buy standalone lti ship then ccu to desired ship. .

Will ships go be on sale during citizencon or will they hold out for anniversary?

>>153036383

citizencon is always accompanied by a sale

>not buying glorious superior sabre

>>153036026
Yes, it's sad it kept losing features until it becane generic space plane #14. The early idea of it being able hold an external cargo box sounded perfect for a pirate raider. Fly in, disable target, have a Cutlass board ship and shove a cargo box out, bucket grabs box and takes it back to base.

But that got killed early on.

>>153036528
But what if I don't want a space F14? And would rather just have a gladius with guns that might occasionally manage to hurt another ship?

>>153036827
Space f-22 actually.

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>>153037049
What ship do I get if I want an F-35 Lightning?

>>153037153

vanguard

>>153037153
Toy model :^)

>>153037153
Well, the vanguard warden is a useless, overpriced piece of crap... That sounds about right.

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>>153037153
Well, certainly not the F8 Lightning

Alright. I got the aurora and the LTI (with attached (not for long) MPUV) at least. I'll upgrade to the Gladius once I'm comfortable that I won't prefer something else.

I went ahead and used the code randomizer, and assuming that's it how it works, here's mine : STAR-QPFF-L5C4

Thank you everyone for your help. Looking forward to flying the unfriendly skies.

>>153037434
I like this thing. But it looks more aegis style.

>>153032646
>open image
>see 4h logo
>one is a nigger
bet that one is paul

Holy shit they didn't make Grim Hex a jump point unless you're a criminal? That's fucking stupid.

So basically if you have a slow ship like an Aurora or a Mustang your options are either kill someone, turn off a comm station (and not get killed by the pirates who launch ten missiles at you the second you come out of warp), or fly to Yela and then supercruise for literally five minutes (assuming you know exactly where to go)

Holy shit CIG you're fucking retarded get your shit together

>>153037434
how long before this is in the store?

>>153037971
Wasn't this one unavailable to players?

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>>153037887
>they didn't make Grim Hex a jump point unless you're a criminal
>"oh hi UEE here is our super secret base just lit for you on your IFF. Please don't kill us."
inb4 bait

>>153037887
I thought all QD was the same speed?

>>153038165
it is. this salty faggot should stick to sucking dick and talking about elite.

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>>153038107

Yeah, it's a super secret pirate base that they will totally let you go to the second you flip a switch in a comm station.

What are you, some kinda retard or something?

>>153038165
>>153038254

QD and supercruise are two completely different things, do not post if you don't know what you are talking about

I'm Currently in L 639-45 and I plan to make it my home system for the moment.

How exactly do I go about raising my reputation with the L 639-45 Gold Pirates? I tried helping them kill opposition along the HRES but it hasn't given me any Rep bonus, nor do I hunt them when BHunting in HRES areas.

Halp.

>>153035986
>>153035880
Wait, you can't even upgrade the base game package ships without the game going bye bye? Damn. I was looking to upgrade my Alpha.

>>153038035

Correct.

>>153039689
He said it pretty poorly. You can upgrade the Aurora, but it has really shitty insurance, so he advises against it.

Can anyone tell me why I can no longer see my weapon load out and the enemy paperdoll/ship that I have targeted? Star Cit of course.

>>153039842

To be fair, insurance is supposed to be something that isn't a huge deal once the actual game is launched.

Just something you have to remember to buy every once in a while.

Also, all insurance that comes with ships (including LTI ships) is just basic "minimal essential coverage" insurance, which means that if your ship gets stolen or destroyed you only get back a stock replacement ship, any money spent on modifications or cargo you had on or in it is lost. The only way around that is to buy more expensive higher coverage/full coverage insurance.

Also, there will be different kinds of insurance for safer/more dangerous areas of space as well.

So basically, even if you have LTI you're still going to have to deal with some form of insurance from time to time, so don't sweat it if you end up with a ship that starts with only three or six months worth.

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>60mil in a asplorer sothis run

>>153032646
Just hate the huge manned turrets, they ruin the look on so many ships in SC.

>>153038921
Ah I see what you mean now. So citizens call that supercruise. I thought it was just called cruise mode.

>>153040893
Cruise is full speed flying with poor turning

Qd is like eve online warping

>>153041056
>Qd is like eve online warping

it looks similar but it's really not

>>153040279
I can never get into full-on trading. I have no clue how the trading system works.

I mean I can smuggle and shit. (currently doing runs of Imperial Slaves to a Federal System, but its turning a measly profit.)

So how much espionage is planned for the on ship stuff in SC?
Is it SS13 levels of paranoia where everyone and everything could go wrong or is it just a comfy walking sim?

>>153041339
Sothis runs is about stacking delivery missions.
The cargo doesn't really matter since you are paid for the service not the good.
Just stack the hauler missions make the borning ass trek back and swim in money.
It is very luck based since you're hoping the RNG VISION gives you misisons with decent payout and low tonnage hauls but if you're patient it's possible to make upwards of 60mil with 80t on cargo.

It really is mind-boggling boring but it is pretty much the fastest and safest way to make dosh

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>>153041634
I was there a few minutes ago, the CMDR there were complaining about a lack of hauling missions. They were probably sitting there trying to get them in open instead of switching. And if they weren't then RNGesus hates 'em.

>>153041361

Depends on how big your ship is, and how many real players you're bringing along. NPCs are probably not going to try shit.

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>>153039842
I see so i can upgrade my mustang alpha for a better ship and i don't lose access to the main game right?

Sorry to ask again i just want to be 100% sure

>>153041901
Absolutely correct, or I'd have lost the game when I upgraded my Constellation to the Phoenix ages ago.

>>153041768
I met my first open play CMDR at sothis about an hour ago.
He kept trying to nudge me into the envelope.

Tomorrow is the big day lads.
There are multiple Fed navy capital ships patroling Merope and chatting about an alien vessel.

What do you guys think will happen? Supposedly the system is the Pleiades one that matches the message from gamescom but why is Merope 5c still so important?
Maybe we gotta find the Bounty Hunter in Pleiades meanwhile ayys appear in Merope?

>>153042119
It looks like the war between the imps and feds is gearing up again.
More than likely the feds and imps will go total war on each other and the thugoids will rock up and fuck everyone's shit

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>>153042119
my murder fridges are ready to remove space kebab

>>153041768
Why is ED so retarded that you have to be a glorified mailman forever instead of letting you be an actual trader, i.e. buying and selling commodities yourself?

>>153042274
Spaghetti code

>>153042274
Well, you CAN, but it's so ridiculously not worth it without knowing where rare goods spawn that it's unfeasible for all but the most easily amused.

>>153041634
Yeah, probably the biggest thing that puts me off is how boring it is.

At least with smuggling there's an element of excitement and danger from carrying 30 Tonnes of Narcotics into a high security station with well timed heat sinks.

>>153042274
Because the players have no real impact on the economy.
if prices fluctuated significantly based on supply and demand then trading could be interesting as you could potential manufacture shortages to supply them yourself for big buck.

Shit like targeting NPC haulers for a while resulting in not enough performance enhancers arriving for example.
Straight away there's a way for the player to have more agency in the world as well as the added benefit of people forming groups, since having some people run dedicated trader kill ships and some people using trade ships themselves would want to work together for mutual gain.

>>153042274
yea xrebirth had cool station building shit

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>reaching Lieutenant doubles the exp you need to reach the next rank
>200 Missions for a single Rank Up and 4 more Ranks to go which will probably have another exp drop
I fucking can't do it anymore, how do I gain rank just as fast via combat? 17 Draconis is an abomination and I'd rather die than continue this shit.

>>153042959
I found that only lieutenant was the really bad one.
ranking post commander is going surprisingly fast in comparison.

Where do you buy Gimballed 4A Multicannons?

>>153043019
>I found that only lieutenant was the really bad one.
Are you sure about that? I find it hard to believe that other ranks will return to normal again.

>>153041143
Haven't played SC but it looks similar. Basically point to point fast travel.

>>153043108
I'm at 69% through post commander.
It wasn't anywhere near as bad as lieutenant was
I've also not been in draconis for most of that and have been doing sothis runs instead.

>>153042274
The real question is why did it work in 1993 but they can't get it to work in 2016? Shit's baffling.

>>153043030
check map for hightech systems like 64 Ceti's Jensen Gateway

New edg player reporting

is there a way to make the galaxy map less totally fucking awful?

>>153043989
pray to the VISION and its prophet Brabenicous

>>153043989
Re-buy the game in a couple months when the next $60 "expansion" comes out. the only new feature will be a slightly less shitty galaxy map

>>153038845
>sc is the finished product and the way to find the pirate base now is how it will be in the game

Even if you are only pretending to be retarded to get a (You) that the faggiest response in this thread so far.

>>153043989

Wait for Star Citizen to come out.

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>>153044331
Is there any idea what the final map for SC will look like?

>>153044694

There is already an interactive star map on the website.

>>153044694
I imagine it will look a lot like your mom taking a cleveland steamer all over you.

>>153044694
what does sub-UEE mean?

>>153042119
>implying frontier won't just pull a Blizzard and have the bounty hunter reveal another ARG with more clues towards the ayys

>>153044991

Judging by the nature of the systems, I think it means systems claimed or protected by the UEE but are not represented in the Senate.

>>153045097
>>153044991

It means outlaw or subverted developing species systems that are either controlled or monitored by humans.

It's also outdated.

Check this https://robertsspaceindustries.com/starmap

>>153042119
>federal navy ships broadcasting their conversations for entire system to hear

>>153043989

Back again, jesus fucking christ the routing system selected a route which I don't even have the jump range to start

WHY WOULD IT LET YOU WASTE ALL THE FUCKING TIME

>>153042216
You know, youre probably right, and thats the sad thing

We'd all love for aliens to get just suddenly revealed and then the game gets good. But the topic of upcoming war has been building for a while now, and its piss easy writing for the course of events to be
>Feds and Imps go to war
>Thargoids jump in with either fuckhuge mothership, or tiny by comparison dreadnaught and overpower everyone 2v1
>people decide its time to put aside differences and face common threat
>...when the next patch hits

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So I finally became a citizen yesterday, and I've been reading forums posts and trying to get a grasp of the community and the lore of the game.

Then I looked at the pastebin of /scg/ and I haven't seen any mention... does /scg/ have an Organization?

>>153046361
you've done it now

>>153045724
It never does that. Map in Elite is pretty good, if you want to see bad map look at NMS.

>>153045724
It doesnt though, youre probably doing something stupid like plotting a course, and then accepting a mission which adds cargo to your hold, and which changes your FSD range

>>153045935
>aliens to get just suddenly revealed and then the game gets good
How would aliens make game better? They would jet be another type of ships that interdirect you and in conflict zones.
What Elite needs is end game activities to spend money on.

>>153046603

No, I had no missions or cargo, I was just trying to get a faction HQ

where the heck do I grind fed rep? I just want my gunship damn it

>>153046414
>>153046469

Ok so no org, I guess I'll have to look on the official forums then.

>>153046837
Ironically, being a furfag degenerate is the major common factor holding those orgs together as much as they are.

>>153046834
do you want to be my slave boy on my carrack

>>153046837
>this entire post
How much of an autist are you? This is place to discuss specific game. You're not a band, clan, there is no membership

I was wondering, can you use the engineers to upgrade faction weapons?

>>153046716
>What Elite needs is end game activities to spend money on.
What I'd give for a base building mechanic and automated mining stations. We won't get it though because Dads never make it to the end of the game and thus have no use for endgame content.

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is there a guide or something for people who get back to ED?
whats the new money grind trick?
what ships are worth the money?
is horizon worth it?

>>153047002
>off in the distance
>if you just squint
>see The Point

You ran a bit too far there pal.

>>153047796
No, there is no point. You're just autistic.

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https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/284052-FIRST-CONTACT-The-Commander-s-Guide

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Best ship.

>>153047101
Yes.

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>>153048210
Christ.

>>153048210
do these people not realize that this isn't first contact

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>>153046837
Just because you don't have any charisma or confidence to be a leader doesn't mean we're all as pathetic as you, anon.

Just because you think all groups have "collapsed" doesn't make it so.

>>153046361
>>153046837
an org for SC has been discussed somewhat. in the end it just kind of ended at the idea that any organization that we'd make would be a very loose one, and would probably just focus on the members being a merc group selling off their skills and time to the highest bidders. I imagine that, were such a thing to happen, we'd end up fighting each other as escorts and pirates.

Which honestly seems fine to me, we already do that anyway.

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Someone please link me or post a pic on how to make a proper Tradeaconda for Sothis runs.
I grinded my ass off to get enough money and now I dont know whta to do.

>>153049223
Read his shitty post just fine.

>>153044165
>hurr durr fuck dlcs

>>153047743

i personally think horizons is well worth it. it only costs about 25€ now and the ship launched fighters are soon to come out.

i dont know why everyone hates this business model, i think its a perfectly okay way to get more money for working on the game. also this has advantages for the players who dont want to buy horizons, as they got more detailed planets and new ships if i remember correctly.

>>153049181
i dont do trade runs, but i think you should experiment with https://coriolis.io/outfit/anaconda to test the build.

>>153049343
>hurr durr fuck dlcs

Yes? Especially when they're $60 and add almost nothing.

>>153049181
also quick googleing found me this: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/3orksn/a_quick_guide_to_sothisnewhold_station/

should you really be using an anaconda?

>>153049684
i think of them more like the arma dlcs - they also add to the main game that you get when not buying the dlc

also its 25 bucks now, not 60

>>153049343
>fuck dlcs

Fuck P2W DLCs, for sure.

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>>153049223
>I bet you're confusion

Am I the only person actually enjoying ED lore?

>>153049839
I'm a fan of the false flagging, but surely the effort is better aimed at established groups?

>>153049965

>am i the only ...
no. you arent special. ever.

>>153046756
Even if you refueled, it would break it. Fuel is still weight and would affect FSD, The route plotter works, it has to be something you did

>>153050013
You would think so, but we basically just consider this training for the meta/forum wars against actual groups once the game is out. It's a fun exercise.

>>153049965
I'd like it a lot more if it was encourtered in game through NPC interaction.

Kind of sucks how Fdev is retconning the Thargoids

In previous games they returned to the known space and got cool with humans with Hengist Duval having Ally To The Aliens as one of his titles.

Maybe their general presence in the regions outside the bubble would make the game more lively. Instead we're going to have a shitty war full of conflict zones and flying saucers

>>153050693
>wanting Thargoids to be just another inert faction and not an invasion force

Dads pls go

>>153050693
>Dad: The Post

>>153042780
>Because the players have no real impact on the economy.
>if prices fluctuated significantly based on supply and demand then trading could be interesting as you could potential manufacture shortages to supply them yourself for big buck.
A player commodity exchange is something I dream about as I try to gather 25 modular terminals or whatever. "Someone want engineer materials? I've got 12 conductive polymers and chemical manipulators, going for 20,000cr each." Need Painite for a quest? Some guy put 50 tons of the stuff on the market an hour ago but he's trying to sell it for 100,000cr a ton.

Something like that.

So I have an AspX with jump range of 22ly

But the plotter still plots like 2ly jumps. Will it always choose the most effective path or can I do better myself?

>>153051371
Go to galaxy map and when plotting choose "fastest" instead of "economical"

>>153051371
In the Jump Data section, Fastest Routes instead of Economical Routes.

>>153051421
>>153051462

wow thanks lads

Finally got my Courier.

Can I build this thing for combat?

>>153051659

Yes

Weaponry is underwhelming but the thing relies on powerful thrusters and massive shields. Its not vulture where you steamroll everything but I prefer courier

You'll have to learn to maneuver right and once you do you're pretty dangerous

>>153043030
Ix has alot of shit but beam lasers.

>>153051748
I see.

It was supposed to be an upgrade to my Diamondback Scout but so far the Courier feels pretty squishy.

>>153051659
It's a better viper, double the shield capacity, utility mounts, and +2 internal bays. I had a fixed beam and 2 gimballed multiguns.

If you have engineer access, visit farseer she sells unique "enhanced drives" as a replacement to regular thrusters, with a tier 3 dirty thruster upgrade the imp courier can't be touched in combat.

>>153052037
The courier has better shields and should be smaller than the dbs. Plus it can fit scbs easier depending on load out.

I will of couse add citation needed on being smaller. That could just be my garbage opinion.

Space Rangers 1/2 is like the only space game that did alien invasion right. I just wish Elite/SC would be like Space Rangers but with first perspective real time flight instead of turn based point and click.

>>153052252
He probably should have said "lighter", DBS is 170 ton hull while the ImpCourier is a 35 ton hull, so the ImpCourier can get away with smaller/lighter components for the same performance.

>>153053056
Yes. The tonnage bit sets my autism off sometimes. The courier is 35 tons has medium hard points and sports more space vs the eagle and variant that are 50 tons 3 small hard points or the dbs which is 170 tons and less space. Hell even the python vs type 7 is annoying.

I know my problem stems from lack of understanding real world ships.

>>153054057
Anaconda vs Type-9 is my annoyance, Anaconda has twice the armor of the Type-9 while having a hull that weighs half as much.And it's a 500+ year old ship.

this seems as good a place as any to ask this question; does anyone know of a good flight stick with a rather small base? I'm thinking six and a half inches wide at the most here, preferably ambidextrous? my desktop space is at a premium and a lot of flight sticks like to have big honking bases which I understand it makes them more stable, but I can't have something that big on my desk.

>>153045423
So I'm getting a black screen with the map. I've used three different browsers with it. Any clue what the problem is?

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So what kind of pirate will you be? The honorable "drop all your cargo and we'll let you live" type? Or the type that leaves no survivors?

>>153054764
The ultimate edgelord.

Crew of pirates, eliminate everyone, loot.

Celebrate with my crew, then pop them in the head when they least expect it.

Loot everything

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>>153054764
If you let them go then you're basically throwing away valuable salvage.

>>153054764
I plan to steal ships and their cargo, so that probably involves killing them. I currently don't see how it's going to be possible to just take some cargo when it probably won't even fit in your ship or be worth the time.

On that note, I don't see the point in piracy if it doesn't involve stealing the ship AND the cargo. Like why?

>>153055137
Killing crew too often or generally just blowing up everyone you come across will eventually increase UEE and Advocacy crackdowns in the system and make any sort of illicit activities harder for everyone.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/spectrum-dispatch/14480-B0otyCall-Cleaning-House

>>153049343
It's not even DLC, it's planned BASIC content they decided to save for later so they can sell them at full price. They decided to ship ED empty of content, this was their plan all along.

>>153055668
That when it's time to move onto one of the Banu systems until blows over, get your crew a job working for one of their Militias for aslong as it takes.

>>153055863
I'm not a fan of the pricing scheme but they aren't saving it for later. There's no way FDev could have gotten Elite out with all it's features in a reasonable timeframe.

Even with it's barebones state they missed the kickstarter deadline.

>>153055863

at least they didnt go pay per ship

thats fucking bullshit

>CIG has a support position in austin open.

I wonder how much that would pay and if it's worth the relocation to give that a try

>>153056442
>trying to start /edg/ vs /scg/ drama

Embarassing.

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Are Shu Babassi data deliveries still the best way to get Imperial rep? Been away for a while and want that Cutter.

>>153056832
>negative comment
>starting war
I don't see you defending Elite when some faggot earlier kept spamming that it's shit and no one should buy it

>>153057179

Maybe people would defend Elite if it wasn't shit and was worth buying.

On the subject of ship prices I heard 50 hours to get a Constellation. And that the in-game prices will be pushed further apart than the dollar prices are.

>>153057290
Multi-crew ships are for player corporations, not balanced for individual players to own, the bigger the ship the more players have to share it to be able to afford it within one game year.

spess legs when?

>>153058125
When SJWs start every argument with "Because it's 2017!"

>>153058125
n e v e r

Ive got a fas. Went bi weave shield and size 5 and 4 hull reinforcement. 2m beam lasers and 3l multi cannons and while i didnt get wrecked bounty hunting i did incredibly bad.

Anyone have some build suggestions or should i just go back to the fdl and shit jump range. The fas isnt much better jump wise and yes i need to git gud.

>>153059253
Also im usuing a hotas setup and have a shit time with fixed weapons.

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>>153059309

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>>153059468

>>153059378
I haven't used my FAS against the new AI but last time I went out with 1xC3 Beam Laser, 2xC2 Cannons and 1xC3 Cannon and it wrecked shit hard.

>>153059253
mine's got bi-weaves modded for thermal resistance & 4 resist modified shield boosters... 2d hull reinforcements and no shield boosters

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>>153059468
>lip synching my name

That unwarranted self-importance, man.

>>153059848
*and no shield cells

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>>153059996

Anyone got the ED and SC size comparison pic?

>>153060452
Why is there a comparison? It's clear that SC isn't meant to be as big as ED, and mostly handcrafted.

>>153060647
I think it's neat.

>>153060647
SC has ships that are as big as ED's. It's just that ED doesn't have any ships that are comparable to the small SC fighters. Except for the three CQC fighters.

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>>153060452

is there a way to tell if the station has a black market or not?

>>153061279
>why do even bother trying

>>153061279
(You)

>>153061060
danke

>>153061502
Kein Ding Brudi

How much was the sabre?

Thinking about buying an ARGO and upgrading it to a sabre at citizencon

>>153061060
This image makes me think that SC's ships are more based in realism than ED's. Then there's examples in ED such as docking computers weighing a literal ton.

>>153061895
As far exterior looks go I think it's just a different design style. I don't think either game can claim realism. But you are right that the ED module weights are retarded.

>>153062072
Not exterior looks. If this image >>153056938 is accurate which I think it is based upon a comparison video someone made, the Corvette/Cutter/Conda should be able to hold shit loads of ships in their holds.

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>>153044694
This.

Though nothing is "final" because players themselves will be able to discover new jump points and even star systems, and everyone fucking knows the Vanduul will open one between Vega and Earth in S42

>>153062248
That picture looks off. The boat is 332.8 m long but a 'conda is only 152 m.

>>153054764
drop your cargo and you'll live another day.
Haulers remember that shit and if you let them go they'll be more likely to drop cargo a second time

>>153062429
Wish those small craft routes would be potentially dangerous shortcuts

>Want to trade? You can take long route or shortcut
>Taking shortcut means you need to drop into some asteroid field or debris field, etc
>You must traverse this asteroid field
>Risk dealing with pirates and ambushes

>>153062648
Ah shit, found the video. Anaconda is a bit shorter. Though my viewpoint still stands with the Cutter or Corvette. I believe an aircraft carrier has that much extra length because it needs to let the planes land and take off, which space ships don't have to do.

https://youtu.be/W4bEQlVvUvI?t=2m32s

>>153062429
Poking around on lore articles, there really doesn't seem to be a SINGLE system in the UEE, other than maybe Sol, that compares to Stanton when it comes to the amount of developed inhabited worlds. When Chris says you can spend dozens of hours in one system, and he refers to the Stanton system, don't expect that to be typical.

>>153063017
That is exactly what they are. Not only are smaller jump points difficult to navigate (the safe thick ones are trivial so big ships can fit through), but you'll notice they tend to bring you through dodgy systems like Pyro, Nyx, etc.

Is the Terrapin any good aside from look?

>>153059670
Last time i used cannons or pa's the ai would dodge them consistently because of the travel time.

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>>153062429
Here is another one, I don't like the look as much but it has more information.

>>153063340
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link//15478-Anvil-Terrapin-Q-A-Part-2
Decide for yourself.

>>153048241
why is she best ship?

Does anyone have a T16000m? I've been debating getting a flight stick and I've got some questions about it.

>>153063429
>>153062429
Note that Terra, Pyro and Magnus are pretty much confirmed the next systems to be added after 3.0, possibly Terra and Pyro first. Magnus should be very doable as well, as it has just one terraformed world. When they talk about building out their procedural tech to make worlds, you have to think they mean it for either Borea in Mangus, or Terra Prime.

>>153061328
Yes. Click on the station then click on the white box on the left side of the screen.

>>153059996
>>153059468
>>153059652
>>153060236
who tf is this guy

>>153063448
I've read it, but it seems it's good for nothing, so I'm asking if I missed anything.

>>153063262
>That is exactly what they are

But can the larger trade ships go through them?

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s l e e k

I upgraded it a bit and I've got to admit this thing is amazing.

Can you CCU something that's already been CCU'd? For example a 300i upgraded to a Hornet, and then applying a hornet-> sabre upgrade.

>>153056127
you get me

>>153063949
The Courier is the most awkward Gutamaya design in ED

>Random hump
>Sleek canopy and cockpit
>Blocky wing pylons
>Ugly butt engine

>>153063985
Yep

>>153063928
No, they have to take the long route

Can someone please link me the most current weapon comparrison chart for SC

>>153064152
So it doesn't sound like what I described.

>>153063985
As long as you are alway CCUing upwards, not downwards.

>>153063949
are imperial ships better or worse than federation ships?

>>153064075
It's a shame there's no Imperial equivalent to the FD/FAS. It's be nice if there was a ship that bridged the gap between the Courier and Clipper.

>>153064249
It's what you described, but you have to take smaller ships, like a Freelancer (or a smaller Hull) to do it.

Just look at how much time you can shave off by going via Pyro, one of the most dangerous systems. Even if you are sacrificing HALF your cargo space, it might still be worth it. Remember you can always choose to trade in smaller, more valuable goods too.

>>153064391
And it'd be nice if the Vulture came in civilian and Fed military version, but eh.

>>153064276
oh

Depends, really.
The Federation has a line of amazing heavy fighters.

>>153064276
depends on the ship and as with most things it's situational

for just raw combat power, federal ships often have the edge

>>153064391
Maybe in the fourth expansion there will be. There's still a shit load of ships missing from the game. Something in between the end game ships we can play and the Capital ships for example. That's a massive fucking jump in size with nothing in between. We're missing alliance ships, with one finally being introduced.

>>153064503
>But you have to take smaller ships

I don't see pirates bothering against smaller ships.Piracy doesn't seem like an easy or viable thing against smaller than a Hull C

>>153064194

starcitizendb.com always has a link to the latest sheet.

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>>153063793
He hates star citizen and his entire life revolves trying to convince people his game is perfect and SC is a scam

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>>153057601
Just get the crew to pay for upkeep :^)

>>153064841
>Piracy doesn't seem like an easy or viable thing against smaller than a Hull C

Why

>>153064841
Then you don't understand pirates. For a start, 90% of them will be AI, and secondly, that last 10% are well aware the only reason a Freelancer or a Taurus is passing through, is because it is stocked up with something valuable. Because otherwise why the fuck would you want to go through Pyro.

>>153063530
For ED I used two of them. Cheap and lasted me two years befor I bought the warthog. They work great, but feel a bit cheaply made. If you are buying your first stick I don't think there is anything better for the price.

>>153064910
>talk to some of his crewmembers
>hey man if you help me steal this ship and scrap it you can have some of the profit
>they let me in and join me in killing the rest of the crew
>the guy who owns it quits the game

>>153064947
Because shit blows up very easily so far. An Avenger with cargo isn't going to be worth all the risks to try and pirate compared to a slow moving ship with easy to open cargo holds.

>>153064960
>Then you don't understand pirates

We're fucking talking about gameplay here, not some random mentality that a random person may or may not have.

In SC how would you catch people in open space to fight them?

>>153065080
My problem is that my desk space is at a premium, so I really need information on the size of the base of the stick. For it to be able to actually fit on my desk I'd need it to be a little less that six and a half inches across, that's my biggest issue.

>>153065229

There will be an interdiction mechanic, and then it sounds like you will be able to stop people from escaping with tractor beams or something like that.

>>153065114
>Because shit blows up very easily so far.

Don't have any of the weapons that don't do that yet.

Nor can we salvage the remains.

>>153065114
>We're fucking talking about gameplay here, not some random mentality that a random person may or may not have.

You know this is a massively multiplayer game, right? In systems like Pyro, pirates will be able to get away with anything because no UEE.

There are weapons specifically designed for disabling and not destroying ships.

Also, you can just tell them to drop their cargo or die. Considering there are real consequences for dieing/getting your ship blown up, they might well say yes.

An Avenger you probably wouldn't bother getting to drop its cargo, but it isn't a trading ship, its a fighter with a small cargo hold. Think of something like a Freelancer or a Taurus.

>>153065346
>You will be able to stop people from escaping with tractor beams or something like that.

Tractor beams only work on disabled ships. Using them on moving ships causes damage to the emitter, so you'll likely just fuck yourself.

>>153065229
EMP missiles, catching them and firing on them with disruptor weaponry like Suckerpunches, etc etc

What's a good weapon loadout for the gladiator?

Trying to get weapons with similar speeds but it's hard matching s1 to s2/3

>>153065551
Badgers on the wings and Omnisky 3 on the turret?

Both are 2500 speed. Dunno if they're any good though.

>>153065089
damn, that sounds fun.
I want to get into a criminal organization and rob armored space trucks and banks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL9fnVtz_lc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pngGHIpzDkA

>>153065551
I find its easiest to simply forget about matching them up. Tarantulas on the wings, M3As/Bulldogs on the turret.

Is there any loadout possible for the Gladius with guns/shield upgrades to make it not shit? I REC'd the Sabre and now I'm regretting my Gladius purchase so much... the Sabre is fucking ez mode

What's the name of that whale with the dog avatar from the SC forums we used to laugh at?

>>153065898

Gladius is the most agile fighter in the game, but the guns are shit and it is not very tough at all.

The Hornet is less agile but is much better value for money overall.

The Sabre of course is the best pure fighter at the moment.

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>>153066148
hodor

>>153065898
The Sabre is a literal upgrade, its meant to be a more expensive, better ship.

Keep in mind that by 3.0 you will be able to get ships in game most likely, and anyway if you are desperate for a Sabre you can upgrade to it before then with the big sale they put on at CitizenCon.

Gladius is git gud: the ship.

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>17 Draconis is dead again

>>153066213

I have a Hornet available in the hangar that I didnt purchase (Probably because Cat purchase?)... it seems to come only with 2 fixed wing guns. Anything I can do to it to make it a good choice to fly?

>>153066219
Ah nevermind I thought I saw him in game, but it was someone with a vaguely similar name acting like him, boasting about his fleet.

>>153066397
I think he changed his name...

>>153066338
You need to get it a canard turret and that costs REC.

>>153066472
Can you remember what to?

It's every poster in this thread's duty to grief that dog at every chance we get, even in the PTU

>>153066275
>The Sabre is a literal upgrade, its meant to be a more expensive, better ship.

No ship is intended to be a vertical upgrade.

For all you know it has shit-tier fuel capacity / range or some other disadvantage we've not heard of yet because the mechanics don't exist.

>>153066213
What's the best s3 weapon to boat on the sabre?

4 mantis gatlings sounds fun

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>>153066397
he has gone by a few different names.
I'm not much of a griefer, but I'd make an exception for this shit head.

>>153033198
my nigga. only ship in the competition that actually followed a manufacturer design aesthetic, and they lost for it because CIG isn't as good at aesthetics as forum modders

>>153066751

hell the GLADIUS has shit tier fuel capacity/range... it can hop across Crusader about 3 times before being empty

>>153066297
Good thing I got to Admiral few day ago.

>>153066751
>No ship is intended to be a vertical upgrade.
>What are starter ships
>What are tier 2 starter ships
>What are variants
>What are specialised ships

The Sabre is literally in the lore as AEGIS trying to recapture some of the Gladius magic with a new high tech better version.

"This ships is like this other one but it is more expensive and better" applies to loads of ships

>>153066858
>Boomslang
>Didn't follow manufacturer aesthetic

Silverback is just a Cutlass with shit tacked on.

>>153067012
Variants / Specialised ships give up capabilities to get better at their focused role.

>starters / tiers
pls.

>>153033198
>>153066858

>literally just an upsized Cutlass with some sheets of metal attached to it

That's not following a manufacturer aesthetic, that is being shit at design

>>153064276
Fed ships are for fucking shit up

imp ships are for going fast

>>153065551
Long swords on turret, broadswords on the wings?

>>153065240
Ah. I don't have mine with me, but I'm pretty sure they're a bit bigger than that.

I'd look into getting a better desk brah.

>>153067147
And when the role is "combat", sometimes a ship's specialisation is literally that it is cheaper.

>>153066620
There was a capture of one of his gems a couple days ago, and I don't remember his name being Hodor

>>153065240
Man, there is LITERALLY not an extra inch of space for my HOTAS either side of my laptop on my desk. It fits exactly.

>>153038035
yeah and LTI ended forever on nov 28 2013

>>153067354
Not necessarily.

Sabre could have a lot less capacity for upgrading because its a new design, whereas the Gladius is a fucking old design - more parts and upgrades designed to fit.

They've said this multiple times, and that cost won't be the only factor preventing you from switching to a new ship, and that you should be able to use any ship from the beginning of your career to the end.

>>153067019
Origin making a military ship is weird in the first place. And they didn't even stick an ugly spoiler on it somewhere.

>>153067590
That kind of talk is really just to sell virtual spaceships with real money, but once you look at the meta even right now, it's obvious that what you are saying is a pipedream.Some ships are always going to be more optimal than others, even if we discount variants like the LN being a straight upgrade.

>>153063530
Get the new one with the redesigned buttons. I have the current model and it's a solid stick but it's impossible to remember which of the buttons on the base does what.

>>153067779
Not really. Rolls Royce make nuclear submarine reactors

>>153064960
Is there plans for e-war shit? Like the described freelancer baiting pirates so stealthy or possibly a jamming ship covering policia can converge and politely ask them if theyve found thier cthulu and if they want to join him?

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>>153044694
Original was too big so I had to cut some quality

>>153062429
>>153063429
I'm wondering if Pyro will become a player hub just because of all the small routes that go through.

Can't take huge cargo ships through it, but it cuts three jumps traveling from Terra to Sol.

>>153067854
>but once you look at the meta even right now

You mean the meta in AC? Meaningless m8.

>>153068032
Totally. Vanguard Sentinel is designed for it, supposedly the Herald / Tracker / Terrapin should be able to do it but less offensively.

>>153068032
Yep, some of that is already in, with how heat and electronic signatures work, you can hide on the side of an asteroid with your ship "quiet" and ambush people. And there are ships specifically for ewar, hacking is even in there letting you fuck up people's systems

>>153068187
Not AC you big silly, the babby PU. Obviously the fights in AC are not much like anything else, though they are somewhat instructive in seeing isolated cases of some ships just being better than others.

Again, the Gladius' advantages will be that it is cheap and plentiful.

>>153068068
It will. Also, it's Dying Star, with the only inhabited part that station with a ring on it, that is meant to be constantly fought over by different pirate groups. GrimHex and Levsky are meant to be babbymode compared to Pyro.

>>153068327
I don't know about your performance but I don't think my game runs well enough to draw many conclusions from that either.

I can't hit shit despite being fine in BR/SB/VS.

I'm not saying that the Gladius won't be faster to replace if you fuck up and thats definately something you'll be taking into consideration, but I think there will be more to it than that.

>>153068045
where can I find the original?

>>153068198
Damnit star citizen....you keep making me want to buy your stuff!

It could be korean grindfest and the lack of mining/bounty hunting bros and anything beyond a single player experience.


Ed is so lonely

>>153068434
I guess the other big thing is pilot preference. Once they get the balance and steering of these ships somewhat down, it will be far more of a thing to get a "feel" for a ship and decide you like piloting that one more. The Gladius turns a little better than the Sabre, giving up a lot of firepower for that though. Personally I prefer going straight for the M50, having a tiny profile is worth losing the extra gun, and it takes GOTTA GO FAST up a whole new level.

>>153068570
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/media/4fmw0n9f16yxyr/source/Starmap-Poster.jpg

>>153068610
I rant into a player today while grinding empire rep.

My first time talking to a player, actually.
E:D needs community tools desperately.

>>153068741
ran*

>>153065240
Checking mine, it's about 6 to 7 inches by 6 to 7 inches.

I'm measuring using the ruler marks on my SOG, so not super accurate.

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Fucking fags

>>153068610
SC is pretty fun to dick around in right now, if you can handle the silky smooth 30fps

The way they implemented pirates vs carebears was really clever and makes me more optimistic about the way they will eventually balance this shit in the "full" game. There are only a few basic features, but the really helped to split players into a few set groups (civs just wanting to have fun, CAREBEAR POLICE, chilled pirates who might be up to some skullduggery, and edgelords who camp outside grimhex and kill people for no reason).

Oh, and you also get players who literally spend their whole time being buses to show noobs Grimhex or other places. So far every single one I've met of these have been German.

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>>153068865
>Checking mine, it's about 6 to 7 inches by 6 to 7 inches.

>>153069187
>germans treating the game like space bus simulator

Not surprising

>>153069557
This is why the PU will be a success. It takes all types, and some people just want to drive space buses.

>>153068045
The Banu are like happy spess grandpapas

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What a pretty game

>>153069668
>>153069836
>>153069987
Only pity your post timer is providing an accurate representation of the framerate

>>153066828
>Want it
>Don't want it but buy it anyways
What the hell is wrong with him?

>rolled healing affect
>nothing to use it on
Post usernames?

Which outfits can you use in spess currently in SC? Is it just all the ones with helmets?

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>>153069834
>be 2924
>be 8 years old
>be human
>visting grandbanapapu, he's basically a grandfather to me and my senpai
>i'm not bothered by the fact he's a foreheadjew hornigger
>he sits me on his lap
>"NOW LISTENSS HERE, SONNNYSSS" he bellows
>he speaks so lowdly it sweeps by hair back with the force from his headhorn
>"NEVER PAY UPFRONT FOR ANY DEAL!"
>"THERE'S SOME DIRTY FUCKING HIGGERS OUT THERE,"
>"THEY'LL FUCK YOU OVER QUICKER THAN A M50 OUT OF A WHORE HOUSE"
>I was visibily shaking at this point as he continues to scream merchant life lessonsat me

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>Star Citizen and Mechanical Augmentation
So, I know Chris wants to use prosthetics as a way to convey damage to your body after a character "death", but how about switching out body parts on purpose?

how to grind imperial rank without horizons pls help

>>153070504
Yes.

It's illegal though so you'd have to go shadier planets for it, I think.

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>>153070504
You mean outlaw tech? It's pretty metal.

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>>153070725
>>153070504
And less invasive augments

I wonder how many Port Olisar-like stations we will get with 3.0. I'm gonna miss that comfy place once it is no longer the centre of the universe.

>>153070725
desu you're better off sticking with light stealthy cybernetics and just rocking a class-9 mech suit than turning yourself into a walking tank


thank god for illegal endeavor hope-classes and their discount surgeries.