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/pdg/ - Payday: The Heist and Payday 2 General

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Previous Safehouse DW Heist : >>152921948

>(NEW) Workshop Manual
http://www.overkillsoftware.com/workshopmanual/

>Upcoming Payday 2 Tournaments:
http://www.overkillsoftware.com/payday2-tournament/

>Extremely Autistic Guide on the Mechanics of PAYDAY 2 (Frank is back)
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=267214370

>Skill/Weapon Stat Calculator:
http://pd2skills.com/

>Old Skilltree Guide:
http://i.imgur.com/nUXjB3J.png

>Perk Deck Guide (out of date, somebody update this shit already):
http://i.imgur.com/hFYr1Io.jpg

>Stat Ranking and Breakpoints (slightly out of date):
http://i.imgur.com/TY14uav.png

>Weapon/Armor/Damage/Pickup Spreadsheets (not up to date):
http://pastebin.com/dSyuTzdt

>Weapon Skin Checklist (totally up to date):
http://pastebin.com/jivyLi3A

>Big Oil Engine Calculators:
http://payday2skills.ru/bigoil.html
http://albertkung.com/bigoil/

>PAYDAY Wiki:
http://payday.wikia.com/wiki/PAYDAY_2

>Latest Updates Here:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/218620

>ERP Group:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/itfeelslikesomethingsintheair

>Mods and Lua:
http://pastebin.com/HR91ZxX2

>Weapon skin previews
http://pd2stash.com/

>Daily Dose
http://fuldans.se/?v=bawawkvbhb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VbhCe21nhc [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHEkCM3fTrc [Embed]
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First for Shadow Raid ecm rush aka the pinacle of skill, agility and coordination

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wImz-_RMO6k
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NGBTO fags kill yourselves
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>>152896256

>Someone actually made it
>It was made by a fag
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>>152938128
AMR-16fags, stop lying about your rifle being good
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>>152938894
word
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Now that frenzy is kill, what's a good way to mitigate damage? Is suit anarchist still viable on it's own?
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>>152939683
best way to mitigate damage is to not take damage
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>>152938128
ngbto is only bad if you use it on overkill lobbies
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inb4 we are dying again because OP still says ">ERP Group"
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>>152939970
well yes but I'm bad
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>>152939683
ICTV + Infiltrator + underdog aced can be a good protection in the right conditions.
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>>152940574
>ICTV
Ugh, I hate going slow, but it's better than dying. Infiltrator seems legit at least.
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Listen here, big guy. No one here's a shitter but you.

I've wiped entire teams of Bulldozers as Dragan, whom I bet is on the bottom of your heister tier list. I've been accused of hacking multiple times by players from the tightest crews ever. I am better than you.

There's a reason you're this mad at the game, and it really is very simple: You are a retard, you fucking suck, and you are unable to adapt. Idiots like you who aren't able to cover the outside of the bank for flankers shouldn't be allowed to ruin other people's heists. Maybe if you weren't fucking blind, you'd be able to react accordingly to the laser sights of snipers.

Sure, some things in the game need change, but everyone as laughing at you, the ultimate shitter, who dies preventable deaths and blames them on basic game mechanics.

Go fucking play Killing Floor or some shit.
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Idea to help fix stealth: just simplify Thief's light/sound system.

You can have low light, normal light, and bright light; low light makes you harder to spot and reduces the distance guards spot you at, while bright light does the opposite. This also applies to bags, corpses, etc. So stashing bags in a shadowy alley is now viable.

For sound, specifically footsteps, just define three types of ground; soft (like dirt), hard (like concrete), and loud (like metal catwalks). These modify the sounds caused by your footsteps; sprinting on dirt doesn't cause much sound, but normal walking on a metal grate would.

If you want to be really complicated, add places where you can hide bags even in bright light; bushes, piles of trash bags, and so on.

This, plus designing stealth options for more heists and a few quality of life changes (moving dominated guards, being able to circumvent alarms on windows and such GLASS CUTTER WHEN) could make Payday 3 a decent stealth game.
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>>152941827
>Payday 3
Dropped

>GLASS CUTTER WHEN
Already on The Diamond :^)


desu all the STELF heists need atleast 1 usable trash dumpster to place the bodies
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>>152942016
Maybe not dumpsters, but SOMEWHERE. Hell, the stealth tutorial mission has the vents at least.
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>>152940683
Maybe I've just been gone too long, but ICTV feels pretty sanic fast compared to before
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>>152942647
Yeah, but try it after being used to a suit and it feels really slow.
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>>152941827
>Payday 3

Despite the announcement, it won't come until 2020. Devs have their hands tied with at least two other games to make (if the john wick VR game doesn't count).
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>>152938441
I liked it, what's wrong with it?
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>>152942016
What stelf heist doesn't have safe spots to dump body bags?
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FOR SOME OF YOU THE ACTION IS THE JUICE
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>>152942016
All heists do have at least one spot where you can safely dump bags though, and dumpsters don't thematically make sense in some levels. I guess what I'm trying to say is why don't you git gud instead
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>>152944539
As in git so the they don't have to kill the guards with their unpredictable paths?
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>>152944653
Why wouldn't you kill the guards? Saving pagers in case of fuck-ups is planning to fail, just learn hiding spots, whack 'em and stick 'em in there
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git gude
git pocohude
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Daily reminder for your safety to never look for heists with the worldwide option activated. You never know about the kind of shitters you'll met there.
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>>152945218
How do you even see if they have that?
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>>152938128
Get the fuck out of my lobby, shitters.
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>>152938441
Sorry anon, you could always just make your own. I am not that good at this.

>>152898832
Added Rust, was using an old-ass template
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>>152947406
>sokol
>gay
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>>152947406
Rolling
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>>152947406
rollan

>>152947775
>sokol
>not gay
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>>152948498
have fun spending the next six months in a sex dungeon
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>>152947406
Roll
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37th for pdg-tan hotglueing
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>>152947406
Rollin
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>>152947406
roll
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>>152949063
The cutest of the payday gang.
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>>152949270
excellent

there's literally 0 downsides to this
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>>152947406
Trips or quads should be /Pdg/-tan
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>>152949738
Good idea, had no idea of what to put as pros and cons though. Is she an embodiment of /pdg/ or her own character?
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>yfw discovering how much the Mac-10 is meta
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>>152947406
Would be better without all the gay shit
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>>152951961
>not liking gay shit
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Also nice job giving post numbers to it dumbass. Now every thread will turn into a roll thread
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>>152953551
wouldn't mind every threads turn into a mac-10 praising thread
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>>152953551
>no fun allowed
how would that even matter anyway, we have the slowest moving general on /vg/
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Any better combinations for the kawaii mask ?
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>>152954253
forgot pic
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>>152954376
Is it a bug or what?
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>>152954495
Mask customization is working as intended, not a bug.
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>>152947406
YEAH
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>>152947406
roll that shit
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Is it normal to have fps drops on birth of the sky that often or just toaster issue ?
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>>152950919
I discovered it last week after a year of not playing this jew game
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>>152947406
Rolling for
Uništio sam Tejzer.
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>>152947406
roll

>>152958749
loosen up, it's not like we're hitting bump limit too fast
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>Today we start a new stream where Overkill Employees will start new PAYDAY 2 profiles and play the game from level 0!

>As usual we will have OVERKILL_Jules answering questions and getting helped up by his teammates.
why
why the fuck are you doing this
fucking work on the game you shiteating cocksuckers god fucking fuck
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>overkill 0-100 stream
>first heist is going to be four stores normal

this is going to be a train wreck
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>>152961315
>Overkill employees play the game
>not explicitly stated to be devs
>I still refuse to believe anyone from Overkill actually plays their game because if they did it surely wouldn't be so fucking terrible
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Sometimes I think about going zero infamy and just shitting up games.
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>>152961315
>work on the game
That sounds like effort. In fact, reading that comment was effort. I think we need another well deserved vacation ;)))
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>>152961805
To be fair most of the employees dont have to play or understand the game besides the designers
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>getting down on normal
>NORMAL
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>>152962151
>bought a secondary instead of a primary
>using his AMCAR instead of his 80 damage secondary
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>>152962151
>that armors help
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>bank heist cash
>"lets do it on HARD difficulty"
>"we're all going to die horribly"
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>>152939683
Frenzy is still good though, you're just not an invincible god of fuck you anymore
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How jealous do you think ashley is of Anna? ya know because shes actually a woman
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>the people that balance this game struggle on even hard difficulty
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>>152963641
>she
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>stealth god masks up in front of a camera
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>>152947406
GIVE ME JIRO cos I miss my dad a lot.
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>looking for the vault keys on big bank unironically when you could just bring a saw,

best stream/10
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>>152964106
>getting in custody on hard difficulty,

wooohooo
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>>152964831
>4 doc bags
>going into custody
>FOUR D O C T O R B A G S
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even though they're shit at the game these are some solid bantz
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>2016
>not spamming the stream with group invites
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>shadow raid

oh boy
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>>152965447
>ten seconds in-game,
>already spotted,

you can't make this shit up
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>>152965681
>spotted again the exact same way

not like this
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>>152947406
Witness me
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>>152958749
>implying /vg/ is not shit
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i understand now why the developers want payday 2 to be a casual game.
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>>152967345
>this is why ulf left
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>that stream,

that was sure something.
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>not even halfway through to 100 and they kill the stream

epic
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>>152815507
>>152886520
Hello heisters! New side jobs are out!

Today's Daily Side Jobs are:
- Bain It Up! (bain_4_jobs)
- Saint Francis (voff_1)

Keep those helmets flying! ;)
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I thought I was shit
I may be shit but at least I'm not as shit as Overkill is apparently.
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>no achievement for completeing an armored transport heist in under 3 minutes
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>>152969251
You're really late today bot
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>>152970368
good, even less reason to play those shit heists
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Sydney is pretty cool, definitely worth the $4.99.
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>>152970921
why are the armored transport heists so disliked?
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>>152970921
train heist is good
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>>152971069
same garbage every single time, the cash and xp is pathetic, and they're boring - you either wait forever using drills or open the trucks with c4 and be done in 3 minutes

>>152971197
train heist is the only good one since it's different and i like moving all the bags - feels like you're actually stealing something
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>>152971069
I think it's because the payout is bad, if you don't have two-three people with c4 you might as well not bother doing it, and the XP payout is low as well

It's also like 5 heists that are literally all exactly the same. open the truck with c4, saw the boxes open, alright now do the exact same thing in a different location
they'd be so much better if the payout wasn't so shit, and that if there was more variation.


they just lack depth and heart desu


>>152971197
>side jobs """bot""" is slipping
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Sociopath is a top tier perk deck
I get 85 fucking armor every 2 seconds just for clicking on heads
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>>152970162
>devs go for stealth,
>ace the ecm feedback skill,

Yeah, even the shitters roaming the four stores normal lobbies are better than this.
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>>152972092
>ace the ecm feedback skill

What did he mean by this?
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>https://steamdb.info/sub/124386/

Free weekend incoming guys, prepare to spread your wallets and your legs.
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>>152972335
what a great time to take a break!
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>>152972335
I can't wait to host all the best DLC heists in Overkill and carry the newfriends hard through them!
At the end of each I will make them look at my mask and tell me it looks good or I kick them!
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Daily reminder that the golden green casino heist is and will be the only thing close to a ocean eleven movie in this game.
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>>152972335
>>152972375
>>152972832
I can't wait for those rats day 1
Payday launch all over again
At least now you don't need for bain to tell the chems a second time
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fun fact
ilija can kill capt winters
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>>152947406
roll
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>>152974882
ilija is my waifu
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>>152974016
Golden grin is so shit. why do i have to move 99 bags from one end to the other.
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>>152976408
>he doesn't know about preplanning
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>>152975537
illija heister when
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goat simulator heist is the worst place on earth.
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>>152978928
I always liked Goat Sim, it was a nice break from 'sit and camp out while you wait for (x) to finish'

I could do without Vlad's constant peanut gallery shit on day 1 though
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>Ahahahahaaaaa! BABUSHKA

What did he mean by this, /pdg/?
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>>152980058
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xckBwPdo1c
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Guys what's the song that goes like "du, nuh, nuh nuh nu. du-nuh-nuh-nuh nuh-nuh-nu." and at the chorus it goes like "du nuh-nuh nuh nuh nuh nuh du-nu-nuh!"
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>>152980516
I'm pretty sure it's not what you're looking for, but that beat sounds similar to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkVsuO2Ichk
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>>152980516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54aygAZCKzw

figure it out
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>>152980803
No it's in game in some loud heist
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>>152980960
By chorus, do you mean like actually voices or just like, a repeating beat?
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>>152980516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtRbtKI7zbsk
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>>152981049
The same two beats repeat pretty much forever
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>>152981186
Do you remember any other details about the song?
Like how 'heavy' the beat is during 'intermission'
How the instrument sounds? Etc?
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>>152976408
>one end to the other

don't act dumb
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>>152981340
The "chorus" sounds like a trumpet sampled from a commercial or something
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post tracks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mn1ZdNROXA
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>>152981608
is it golden grin casino loud?
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>>152980516
Ode to Greed or maybe Supersledge?
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>>152981608
>>152981701
As in, this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0b_XVwXCe8
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>>152981608
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ0yCHnPwRI
IS THIS YOUR CARD?
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>>152981648
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrdQiGotAoo
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>>152981821
Thank you
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>>152981648
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLQ2_bZ5784
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>>152982094
WE MADE IT YALL
WE DID IT
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>>152981821
Thanks
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>>152981648
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvrBTDQPxBo
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>>152982195
WE DEM BOYZ
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>>152982094
>>152982229
>>152982195
THAT WAS A WONDERFUL PIECE OF WORK, HEISTERS
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has anyone successfully drifted the cars in this game
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>>152982741
not in a fun way
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>>152982741
No, i play under 30 fps, other players laugh at me.
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What do you think about the ak 47?
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>>152983726
it shoots bullets
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dragan is my spirit animal

why does he look like he's out of fucks to give all the time
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>>152984089
>bullets
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>>152984259
dragan a hot
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>>152984724
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>>152984584
it certainly doesnt shoot memes
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>>152947406
lets see if i get gay shit
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rate

i tried to make sly cooper but i gave up after a few minutes
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>>152986053
>using deathwish skull
>using fox mask
>that fucking anubis mask
Dropped like a baby nine months after prom
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>run out to kill winters on dw rats because im bored and use messiah
>i get CLOACKED because i didnt have counterstrike on my build yet (not that it matters when they instadown you through walls)
>the brs call me stupid in broken english
>they all proceed to die in the house 2 minutes later

justice is served
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>>152947406
rolling
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>>152987364
fuck you for stealing my heistfu
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>>152986750
>messiah
>counterstrike
do you have shockproof and run faks?
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>>152990004
i dont usually use counterstrike on that build since it eats points i want to use elsewhere for little return

i use doc bags and shockproof
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>>152937873
Best OP pic
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IS THAT ENOUGH?
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>>152994468
despite the glaring tumblr-esque artstyle, it's quite cute
i'd like a sitcom about the shenanigans of the payday family
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>>152984724
9/10 would let him stealth my murky warehouse.
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>>152986750
At least it was funny
>>152995551
I can't help but wanting to cuddle shota Houston...
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>>152995840
>shota
Anon no!
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>>152995872
Just spooning, while we're playing vidya :(
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>>152995551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXjX8_xerRw
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>>152984259
Jiro is my spirit animal

why does he look like he's out of fucks to speak english all the time
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>>152947406
Rolling.

Hope I get Yakuza Dad.
Then I'll pitch a sitcom based on my kookie life experiences.
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>>152986750
>they all proceed to die in the house 2 minutes later
Can't leave them alone for 2 seconds.
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>>152995840
>>152996019
at least you guys realize Houston deserves some love. he seems lonely ;~;
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>>153004692
forgot my pic lol
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>>152986053
i won't lie

it's bad
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>>153004639
>it's overkill too
Christ almighty
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Why does my friend refuse to play Deathwish? He's good enough at it to fucking dominate, but he always complains when I ask to do something more than babby mode Overkill.
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>>153009515
Ease him into it maybe.

Start off with base game heists and newbie levels like Jew Store and Four Stores. Those kind of suck though. Maybe H&T DW.
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>>153010628
He's a XXV-100 with 2000 hours and he's been playing since the game came out and is also far, far better at the game than I am.
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>>153009515
Overkill = Stomping grounds that are so easy it's not even fun
DW = Not so much "hard", closer to "bulletsponges but ALSO you gotta deal with all this bullshit"
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>>153010750
Yeah I don't know then.

Maybe he just really doesn't want to.
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>>153009515
because deathwish is just a boring metagrind, with extra objectives that's not fun whatsoever

in overkill, you can play with literally any build and have fun
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>>153012371
but if i say i like playing /ovk/ /pdg/ shits on me for not playing DW only
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>>152937873
who is this even supposed to be

i don't recognize any of these heisters

why can't tumblr faggots just stay on-model
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>>152952023
go back to /utg/
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alright i got rid of the /utg/ shit
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Biggest problem with Death Wish is what I call the Watchdogs D1 Effect.
To make the game "harder" they just gave all the cops retarded accuracy values and extremely fast lock-on.
The result of this is a massive difficulty gap of sorts: The game barely gets any harder in closed spaces, but any open space becomes your worst fucking nightmare because every single cop that has line of sight to you from across the map WILL mince you alive with their laser accuracy.
This shifts your survival into a new metagame: "Always be in the LoS of as little cops as possible". In other words: The only way to play DW in any open map or open map segment is to camp.
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>>153013280
If you're not going to come up with replacement lines why even bother?
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>>153013657
Cop accuracy never changes between difficulties I think. Damage goes up, sure, but not accuracy. Because cops don't have spread like we do, they do dicerolls and can hit you 100m away with their virtually no damage falloff if it's a success.

Also WD Day 1 has a stack of broncos at the start. I go out of my way to run into the street to clean them all out so that they can't down me or anyone else.
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>>152969251
>>152970652
Hello heisters! New side jobs are out!

Today's Daily Side Jobs are:
- Earn Some Pocket Money (earn_250k_cash)
- The First Line (the_first_line)

Keep those helmets flying! ;)
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>>153014232
The diceroll chances for some (not all) cops vary depending on difficulty, and DW has some crazy jumps at long ranges. Shit like 25%->60% or something like that last I checked.
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play as the cops when
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>>152990004
>Run

Fuck off
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>>152937873
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>>153019225
Isn't Sokol the baby and Wolf the one with the drill?
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>>153018636
fuck off /utg/ cuck
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>>153019307
This
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Daily reminder to stealth bank heist on DW if you really need money and xp but have no real skills in this game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzJYHBmaKAw
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dead
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>>153020935
Don't fucking do that
Bank heist stealth is a chore
Turning the game into a chore is how you get tired of it
Just play some ez heists
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>yfw the devs said multiple times in stream that cheating was fine as long as peoples are not feeling triggered by it.
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>>153028829
Cheating in your own lobby is fine, the problem is when you join other people's lobby and try to pull that shit without warning. C'mon son, that's what the "disable auto-kick cheaters" tag is supposed to be for, you're just taking advantage of the fact that the game has no actual anti-cheat.
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>getting tased with the saw out
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>>153014752
when this steaming pile of shit is released
http://paydaycrimewar.com/
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>>152950919
>not knowing this since launch
nigga
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>>153030813
>80 ammo pool,

Just get out of here.
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>>153033479
why is that a bad thing again
you do know you can get ammo back from killing cops, right
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kross vertex is REALLY op
like mac-10 on meth and with no spread
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Remember back when dozers were scary because there were no HE shotguns and everyone was tricked into thinking the CAR-0DPS was good?
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>>153035473
this
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>>153019225
every fucking time you faggots mess this up
if you can't tell from the artstyle you can at least use their ages to figure out who's who
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>>153013657

>Always be in the LoS of as little cops as possible

Sounds like taking cover to me
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>>153019225
>>152937873
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>>153014623
iirc that's only on the hostage rescue teams, and even on overkill they do so much damage that you should have a natural reflex to target them above all else
even the greys do almost nothing in comparison to them and tans deal barely anything on deathwish so if you're getting sniped at by a few low health cops across the map it's completely your fault for either staying where they can hit you or not hitting them first
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>>153035473
>mfw the saw and smg were overpowered against dozers,

I always feared more tasers. Unless you were real close to them and could fuck their face up easily, odds were high they would mind-break and put you in custody.
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>there are peoples in this thread not using this mod already,
>http://lastbullet.net/mydownloads.php?action=view_down&did=13061
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>>153035341
Accuracy and stability are meh on this smg to be honest
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>>152947406
roll
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you think overkill lost the point of what dlc weapons should of been? I feel like they treat them like masks and just add them in, dlc weapons should of been interesting weapons that added new mechanics or were good. The mini gun, The flame thrower ect stuff like that was good dlc. but sometimes they just bog down weapon category by making you pay for mediocre assault riffles or by making sniper rifles mediocre. So how are they trying to sell dlc to people if part of the dlc sucks ass, take S
Sydney for example butterfly knife sucked ass until they balanced all weapons around which was faster, not even basing damage off swing speed, instead of giving Sydney an lmg a weapon category that could actually use some more weapons, they give her a fucking AR that acts like an lmg but is mediocre. My question really here is why?
Why put all your shity weapons in the AR section, why not make clover come with stealth shit, instead of a club an a AR?
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>>153037985
jacket is fucking dead in 1991
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>>153037985
why is houston in a skirt
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>>153044802
Jacket is fucking dead in 2016
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>>153046240
i agree
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>>153045968
because he's a tumblrist
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>>153045968
houstons a fucking fggot
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>>153045968
He's a fuccboy, what did you expect ?
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immersive and competitive full total crime robbery experience
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Fuck me, we needed those cooks. I'm going with caustic soda.
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>>153048474
>implying muriatic ASSid isn't the right one.
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i put sode
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>tfw you have 4 builds you swap between on a regular basis
>tfw you've maxed out your weapons for each one
What are some meme weapons I can put together?
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>>153049528
clarinet
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>>153049528
>builds
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>>153049762
perk decks
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i run builds
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i proc berserker
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WOW WHAT A FLAT
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>that feel when the devs will never be able to fix teleporting cloakers
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>>153052209
D-don't act dumb
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>>153052209
>>that feel when the devs will never fix teleporting cloakers because no one is paying them to
ftfy
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>>153052801
>>>tfw you have to pay people more money to fix bugs they make in product they sell to people for money.
ftfyfy
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what skills do you need to have in a selfish build. I mean skills that only benefit you like messiah, shockproof counterstrike. those sorts of things.

Going to clear my progress come free weekend and really fuck with people.
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Why would hector rat on the PAYDAY gang?
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guys should i get killing floor 2 and finally stop playing payday?
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nth for nerf gangsters
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>>153054309
bring 14 FAKs but dont share them, also no inspire
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GET YOUR FIRST AID KITS HERE

FIRST AID KIT
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>>153054380
He got caught.
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>>153014870
Kill yourself.
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>tfw Bain invented Pokemon Go before Niantic did
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>>153052801

>tfw they will never fix teleporting cloakers because the engine is old and busted
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>>153042721
They hate being accused of peddling p2w dlc so they intentionally make the weapons shit. Stuff like Grinder are accidental and they have been trying to nerf them on every balance patch if they can't shitcan them on the first pass.
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>>153060310
>They hate being accused of peddling p2w dlc
But it's true though.
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I played payday 2 at release thinking of playing again but i own 0 dlcs and I hate missing out. Which ones are the best which should i skip.
How is the game now?
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>>153060732
Wait until Oct. 11

OVK is going to relaunch the console version of PD2 for $49.99 and probably will release an updated GOTY edition that'll be cheaper than just getting a handful of shit at a sale.
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>>153060867
K. I play on pc btw but I guess there will be one there too
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>>153060929
I only mention it because the GOTY edition on Steam only exists because it came out with the consoles' Crimewave edition.

This is probably why OVK never updated the GOTY edition for 2015 because they want to synchronise DLC packs with the console version for some reason despite the fact that they're going 485 days with no updates for the consoles.

Did you know that the consoles still don't have voice chat? They have to awkwardly type on the on-screen keyboard or use those USB controller keyboard things.
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>>153050323
>>153050519
I kill nerds
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>>153061342
No john
You are the nerds
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>>153061163
Thanks for the help. Saw something about PD3 was in the pipes but I guess that's years away as everything else that you want to play
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>>153061465
There is no PD3.

OVK will just keep extending support for PD2 like they have the past three times because a PD3 would imply that the Starbreeze+OVK devs wlil have to make a new game and then port all the old heists...again. PD2 is lasting at least until end of 2017 so if you're going to hold out for PD3, you'll be waiting for a long, long time.

A lot of the meta weapons are actually base game and free community weapons (because DLC weapons being good means it's p2w so they go out of their way to shitcan them at the first sign of pubs happily using them) so you don't need that many DLCs to do shit. The usual list is like courier mods, shotgun ammo types, and maybe a couple others. Try out the free guns, see if you like them or not, and maybe just get a GOTY edition at best since that should cover everything up to, but probably not including, The Bomb DLCs.

The game is also ridiculously easier than it was at launch so once you relearn the game mechanics and git gud, you shouldn't have a hard time even with DWs. And if you need help, give a holler here or on the Steam chat and see if there's anyone who isn't afk who would be willing to help.
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>>153061163
>No voice chat
Thats not true. I was playing a framing frame over a year ago on xbox with a bunch of level 70s who were trying to stealth it and someone got caught and the host started going off. Is this only on ps4 and xbox one that they dont have voice chat? I was playing on 360
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>>153062548
Yeah, seems like it's a PS4 issue.

https://www.reddit.com/r/paydaytheheist/comments/3a5t5t/ps4_crimewave_edition_voice_chat_broken/
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>>153054005
>his goal is to make payday 2 "the dark souls of heist games"
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>>153054380
FBI gave him a choice: going in jail and be raped for the end of days or help to put the payday gang in jail so they can be raped forever.

Also he trusted in the ICTV and Izhma 12G way too much for his own good.
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Payday 3 opening video the police launch an all out assault on the gang's safehouse which results in the arrest of the entire gang. The first mission is a prison break which must be completed before accessing the rest of the heists.
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>>153064868
He died before Sydney could endow him with Anarchist armour.
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>>153054380
Overkill was preparing to release a new Hector DLC heist, along with a live action trailer while they were brainstorming Hoxton's Revenge.
But Hector's actor had better things to do, so he said 'nothx' to Overkill.
Then, in a fit of asshurt, Overkill scrapped the DLC, called an intern and told him to do a few lines impersonating Hector; they also made a sloppy 3D model of him and threw it on the HoxRev heist.
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>>153066732
>But Hector's actor had better things to do, so he said 'nothx' to Overkill.
Need source, this is too funny.
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YEAH
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safehouse customization fucking when ? I just want to see if it will be a disaster or something actually decent for once.
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>Stopped playing around the paid skins fiasco
>Oh look they have cars and shit now and new skill trees
>Maybe i was too rash
>Nope, everyone else dropped it too

I do miss shitposting in here though about car-4 meta and whatnot.
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>>153069612
>hope
That's how you get hurt anon
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>>153069826
Car 4 is still really strong. Also they changed the skills. For example nerfed inspire and buffed stockholm syndrome and if you think those are bad changes you are retarded.
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>first time playing Alesso Heist
That was insultingly fucking awful
Can car shop really be worse than this?
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>>153037761
No, because infinitely respawning cops will infinitely respawn in your flanks constantly and they only need a couple seconds of not being dealt with to fuck up your Christmas. You don't just take cover, you need to camp.
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>>153069612
>Chains brother in the background thinking if his family loses he going to fuck up the clown.
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>>153070385
CAR-4 was ALWAYS a downgrade from the Commando and it baffles me that nobody would figure this out back then
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>>153071894
But the commando is shit now what are you even saying.
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>>153071894
>CAR-4 was ALWAYS a downgrade from the Commando
Hi commandofan.
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>>153072183
CAR-4 is shit now too, haven't used either since the rebalance, I meant back then though
>>153072291
You know it's true
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>>153070834
Right now Alesso is shit because of the circular saw duplication bug preventing you from ever completing the heist solo because you can't pick up any past 3, but it's an okay heist loud. It just takes forever to grab the C4 and pubs run around not understanding what to do for most of the heist which isn't necessarily their fault (except the pyro part, fuck them if they fuck it up for you). Just don't do Alesso in stealth. In fact, you don't need to do Alesso in stealth for ANY achievement so you can easily skip it forever.

And yes, Car Shop is worse.
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>>153072450
I know you've been saying Commando > CAR-4 since the beginning of time even though it's wrong. I was wondering where you went.
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>>153072471
>it's an okay heist loud
It was 40 minutes of fucking awfulness and tedium, where the objectives DIDN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE
And extremely loud bad music
It was not okay
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>>153072596
Let's do something, you tell me why it's wrong and I'll tell you why it's right. You start
Prior to the rebalance that made them both shit, I mean
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>>153072959
Not that anon, but as far as I remember the primary difference was quad mag vs reload speed
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>>153072793
>where the objectives DIDN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE
I never said they did, but I usually just join for the sake of shooting lots of cops in crowded hallways. It's one of those heists where you can just set up somewhere and just be a comfy cop shooter for 40+ minutes while pubs run around ignoring objectives. Like Hoxton Breakout Day 2, and all the Transports. It's probably me getting real-life Stockholm Syndrome to Starbreeze+OVK devs' abuse.

Fuck lockpicking five fucking doors and digging through boxes. Let the pubs do it.

I'm just there to shoot cops.
Sometimes I wait until they're all in custody and plant the C4 by myself when I'm the last one left.

>And extremely loud bad music
Opinions on the music are pretty polarising.

I'm used to bad music because my friends force me to listen to their shit all the time so it doesn't phase me as much.

>It was not okay
Completely understandable. I'm just saying it's okay as someone who used to hate it at launch for all the obvious reasons. Eventually I kept going back and once I understood the heist more, I felt that I don't have to actually stress about anything anymore. Maybe one day you'll think so too, who knows.
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My favorite payday song is Ode to Money
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>>153073457
Quad mag vs:
>significantly faster reload speed
>significant RoF improvement, the CAR's biggest flaw that noone liked to admit
>better hipfire spread
RoF alone is a clear winner
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>>153073931
If more RoF actually mattered past the CAR-4's, everybody would be using the Clarinet full stop. But they aren't. Because it's not.
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>>153075335
The clarinet was meta the day it came out you dolt
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>>153075335
that's like saying if magsize above 30 mattered everyone would be using the bootleg
which is retarded because they're different weapons, it's just one stat, and one is DLC from a bad DLC
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>>153076545
It's not retarded if the argument boils down to
>It's the same in every way...except RoF.

Sure you can talk about how you like higher RoF or slower RoF or single-fire over auto-fire but saying it's objectively superior is pretty silly.
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>>153076732
>completely ignores 2 lines out of 3
>higher RoF is not better than lower RoF
Epic
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Death Wish objective /pdg/ : say one good thing about the goat simulator heist.
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>Check the PD2 steam hub to see if Overkill's fucked up anything lately.
>They've literally done nothing except announce yet another "do our work for us" contest.
gg this game dead
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>>153079918
It doesnt follow the same formula of most heists, aka camp here okay timers up camp here alright timers up camp here alright timers up move bags escape good job
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>>153080328
But it does do that.

It has drills, it has power boxes to hack, it has sprinklers, it has Winters. It basically has every single kind of timer in the game.
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Did they stealth-fix the sprinting reload animations? They suddenly aren't broken for me after stopping sprinting
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>>153080471
no it's still broken
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Check mate Overkill_Jules, i finally made the Commando good.
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>>152947406
rollin

i want clover pls
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dear /pdg/, what's your favorite heist movie, and why?
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>>153080775
>two piece stock
>acough sight
Aw shit nigger what are you doing
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>>153080916
Heat. Flawless heists, flawless ost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlo7Yo5eb_Q
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>>153080775
>2016
>47 damage
>80 accuracy
>714 RoF
>"good"
Nope.
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>>153081121
>flawless heists
Kinda. Waingro kinda fucked the first one up directly, and the second one up indirectly.
But I agree, it's a fantastic heist movie.
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>>153079918
You can run over Capt Winters
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>>153081258
>not wanting endless dakka
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>>153081465
>47 damage and only 714 ROF.
>dakka
You wunt no dakka if it blasted you
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>>153081606
>300 rounds
>absurd pickup
Say what?
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Can I get a team to do GO Bank loud that doesn't suck dick at the game
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>>153082524
I still don't understand why they felt the need to switch out the Almir voice lines with a new set of voice lines and not tell anyone.

Goat Sim is truly the worst update.
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>>153079918
music
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NEWS FLASH YOU CAN MAKE ANY GUN VIABLE, IF YOUR WILLING TO USE THE SILENCER BUFFS.

but like seriously if your one of those memecunts that use the comando without all non conditional accuracy or stability buffs in the skill tree fuck you.
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>>153084203
>all those players using the JP36 on DW without any of the accuracy buffs

couldn't hit that kick button any faster
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why is thread so ded
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I beat a DW Big Bank roof escape with those goodmod mutators on for increased and faster cop spawn and increased cloakers
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>>153088589
Got a vid? Sounds like fun to watch.
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>>153084203
Shitty newsflash, here's a better one
YOU ONLY NEED SILENT KILLER BASIC TO MAKE ANY AR VIABLE
Aced version is a waste of points because it doesn't get you past any decent breakpoint.
Furthermore:
ANY ACCURACY PAST 70 BECOMES 100 OR PRETTY MUCH 100 IF YOU JUST ACE FIRE CONTROL
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>>153084203
NEWS FLASH

YOU DON'T NEED SHITTY SILENCER BUFFS TO MAKE ANY AR VIABLE
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>>153080775
>5 concealment
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>>153061342
but what if the nerds proc bleeding on you and then run?
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>>153091138
what if I whoop your fuckin candy ass
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>>153089490
HOYLSHIT ARE YOU THE FIRE ACED CONTROL MEMER?
its literally an honor to give you a (you)

>>153090576
Yeah you do some AR's are uttershit and if you want to denie that, that's fine you're wrong, but it's still fine. Just please don't mislead other people.
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>>153091515
>everything is a meme
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>>153054454
Both are ded games so yes
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>>153089490
I've always wanted to ask you a question, about fire control. wouldn't rifle man aced be better?
It increases the accuracy you get by 50% as opposed to the 20% of fire control aced.
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>>153091350
what, did I proc you?
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>>153091745
The tooltip actually lies, they removed spread while moving and weren't sure what to do with the skills that affected it (what the fuck is even going on at Overkill?)
It's not +50% accuracy, it's specifically +16 accuracy now
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>>153091515
>everyone who disagrees with me is memer

>using the you meme invented by /s4s/

epic
upvoted my /b/ro
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We're still a few billions behind TEAM HEIST THUGS
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>>153092097
Wow, Well thanks very much for clearing that up for me I'll stop using it and take your advice now.
Cheers Anon.
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I can't wait for #OVERKILL to release #TheBigScam on XBOX ONE and PS4!
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>>153092723
>>
these all heisters don't even smoke crack

these heisters couldn't be the next el chapo guzman
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>>153093616
>>
>cookfags on HM day one
>kill yourselves
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>>153093918
>not cooking 6 bags before the barcode scanner finishes
Pleb.
>>
Fuck me, we needed those procs.
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>>153093989
everyone just stays in the basement and doesn't even cook until escape is ready then it fucking takes like 45 minutes to beat one day because 4 retards wait til the end to cook
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>>153093989
you can cook all of like 3 bags if your team gets the right barcode
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>>153094220
Board up the bathroom then go afk.

To be honest, I usually do a good job of stealing the crowbar and then cooking while everybody else screws around.
Sometimes I put in the wrong barcode just to have an excuse to cook another bag if everybody leaves the basement or I'm the last man standing.
>>
Does anyone want to do 12 Angry Minutes
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>>153097120
maybe
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>>153097120
do you?
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>>153097120
Sure anon whats ur steam id
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>>153097532
yes but I am cooking food right now
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>>153097120
Yeah why not
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>>153097120
no thanks
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>>153097120
I'l help you
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>>153097120
memes
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>>152947406
rollin
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>completed Kiss The Chef months ago
>it still shows up as completed,meaning i can't do any more monthly sidejobs
not a problem really since monthly jobs are stupid/easy as shit but seriously overkill
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>>153102238
doc misreable took me a fucking hour to complete. fuck that.
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>>153102010
go home Tribe, you're drunk
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Does Shockproof ace negate the basic? Can i escape tasefags I can't see?
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>>153102238
Did you just never get a new monthly job until now? Were you on a break?
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>>153103885
Kiss The Chef shows up as completed
i completed the thing 3-4 months ago and i still hasn't changed
i wasn't on a break,i played (or at least opened) the game once a week
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>>153102416
>he doesn't enjoy shooting cops with the m308 and loco/OVERKILL ACED combo
boi
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>>153104081
Yeah I dunno then. The game should have replaced your monthly job then if it retrieved the side job info at least once after Kiss the Chef rolled off.
>>
BIG LOBBY WHEN
>>
we need to go back to basics

we need another good ole fashioned bank heist
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>>153104449
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>>153103562
the way shockproof basic works is every second theres a 30% chance to be freed while tazed
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>>152947406
Jap father pls
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>>153107790
That is also acceptable.
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>>153106889
So the ace isn't worth getting?
>>
Let's heist together
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>>153109058
probably not
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>>153109058
yes it is

it literally deletes tasers from the game
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>>153109058
>Not getting ACED shockproof
If you gave a shit about tazers enough to get shockproof I find it insane you would consider not getting the better version of the skill that actually counters tazers.

Don't waste the points for the 30% if you're not bothered to ace it.
>>
>>153075335

Of course ROF matters, but no one uses 40 damage weapons because they've been left behind in the unbalance patch. The new meta is M308, and if anyone still uses a non-DMR assault rifle it's usually the AMR-16.
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>>153110624
I still use my CAR-4 :3
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>>153110624
> but no one uses 40 damage weapons because they've been left behind in the unbalance patch
>40 damage weapons
FUCKING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
fuck you over kill. thanks for killing half of the dlc.
>>
so what's the difference between 39.9 and 40 anyway

does it matter
>>
clover porn when
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>>153112645
:(

the ones we have are so mediocre that it fucking hurts

i just want a really well made sfm animation and i'm happy for life
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>>153112556
doesn't matter

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=267214370#387832
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>>153112764
are there models

id do it if i wasnt a lazy shit
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>>153113240
there actually is sfm porn of clover
but there's very little of it,and barely of 'em are animated
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>>153112556
They're both worse than 80
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Anyone up for a VH Shadow Heist?

I'm level 100 Inf 2.
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>>153115261
>100-2
>Very Hard
there's no conceivable way this isn't bait
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>>153115458
I do it all the time. Is something wrong?
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>>153113240
please do anon im begging you
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>>153112556
40 meme doesn't exist anymore, and by extension, 39.9
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>modded bots can take dominate cops
>still no official arms/legs hitboxes
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>>153115709
too bad, clovers face looks like she held onto vlads nukes for too long

might make a short animation if theres a sydney model floating around
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>>153117662
arm/leg hitboxes would make the game unplayable anon, you wouldnt be able to run the game with more than 4 cops on screen
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m308 mods are asleep post Gewehr 3s.
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HEY YOU, GET ON YOUR FEET
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>>153119707
the freakin best
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There should be a silent saw blade but it's only 1/3rd as durable
>>
>>153118019
anon please clover is pretty

sydney is fucking ugly and a retarded anarchist bitch
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>>153118019
>>153124557
do something with clover while she's masked if you don't like her face that much then
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>>153124336
there is already a silent saw motor, having a silent saw blade would make no sense
also you literally couldn't even make a saw silent by changing the blade, that's actually not possible
>>
Why isnt pocohud being updated? I just want a quick switch from my loud and stealth loadouts
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>>153124695
it's possible because it is a video game
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>>153119707
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Reminder

https://www.f-list.net/c/pdg-tan/
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>>153125148
But you already have a silent motor
It would change actually nothing
It'd be obsolete from the start
>>
someone play gaymemeday 2 with me
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>>153127131
I will.
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>>153127627
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198021762583/
>>
daily reminder that the devs will ruin the remake of panic room and turn into an infinite heist where you can cook coke forever
>>
someone give me a fun build please
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>>153129565
micro uzi and gl40
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>>153129565
Masterfug grinder with 14 first aid kits, GL40 and Baby Deagle. Totally new, i swear.
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>>153119707
:^)
>>
LETS WORK YOU DONT WORK YOU DONT EAT I DONT WANNA HEAR ITS HARD IN THESE STREETS MOTHAFUCKA LETS WORK IF THERES MONEY TO GET GET OFF YO MOTHAFUCKIN ASS AND GO AND GET THAT SHIT LETS WORK
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>>153130907
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>>153128347
I'M HERE AT THE DROP ZONE

FUCK ME WE NEEDED THOSE COOKS

YOU GUYS NEED TO CLEAR THE ROOF

I'M GOING WITH CAUSTIC SODA
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>>153129565
http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mnpr:eFGHjkL:tCefgHJl:gIjl:fMNoPQr:ibcdea:::a7

Then use piglet and the RPG and the katana.
perk deck is yakuza or anarchist.
also ammo bag as secondary equipment for RPG
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>>153129565
http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mAbCeFGIjKl:eGhiJLMNoR:gjlr:ibcdea:pM8:::a7

Forget about armors, health is your main amor now.

invincible/10
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>>153070834
Now now, play Alesso on Death Wish. You'll never be the same.
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>>153070834
>play alesso stealth,
>cam room is in the entrance,
>mfw getting to the basement part with the titans

Not cool Overkill, not fucking cool.
>>
>I don't get people who like white chocolate more than milk chocolate. I mean, what the fuck?

What did Rust mean by this ?
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418th for swedish quality coding.
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>>152937873
>tumblr edition
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Name 5 things that aren't the thermal drill
>>
>>153143376
easy
1600 PENN
THE TIARA
THE GOLD
THE FLAT
THE THERMAL DRILL
>>
>>153135224
Why get die hard aced when you are using ICTV
>>
So what's the most OP single thing/skill/ability in the game right now?
>>
>>153145494
Insprie.
>>
>>153146082
I don't think inspire will ever not be the most op thing in the game
>>
How can we fix rust perk deck ? It just feels so weak imo
>>
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>>153014396
Hello heisters! New side jobs are out!

Today's Daily Side Jobs are:
- Elephant In The Room (elephant_4_jobs)
- Hot Lava 2.0 (bob_8)

Keep those helmets flying! ;)
>>
>>153147658
That's how you know we don't sell p2w DLCs good goy ;)
>>
>>153147658
Just play on overkill
>>
>>153150964
>tfw the devs just dropped the ball and don't care about balance anymore.

At least beardlib saves the day and the modding community
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>>153137521
that he prefer chains cock
>>
>>153151960
This webm brings back too many memories.
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>>153152774
>memories
This shit happen on a daily basis. Just join any shitter and their stelf lobby and its still like this.
>>
>>153153229
Nobody rushes (and fails) to ECM rush Diamond Store for the stelf bonus anymore though.

The +40% and +50% bonuses made it special.
>>
>>153151960
Pure gold
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>>153119707
mine is sexier
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>>152947406
>Jimmy
>Surprisingly good at keeping the house clean
I see what you did there

Rolling for jimmy.
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>>153150964
>P2W DLC
Ree this makes me so mad.

we need more like the BBQ pack and less crappy AR's and mediocre melee weapons. seriously stop fucking adding them to the game fucking stop. You don't give a shit about them please stop adding them.
>>
>>153124695
why not a blowtorch
>>
>>153156267
cuz it blows
>>
>>153156476
ill blow you
>>
>>153156761
lewd
>>
its bad knowing that melee will be permanently fucked throughout this games life cycle just down to the fact theyve added so fucking many it would be impossible to make them all unique
>>
>>153157628
Atleast more fire weapons are relevant, FBI/Police weapon pack when

Also, Military weapons when, military enemy units when
>Who are these guys, ex military?
>>
>>153157628
i wouldnt mine some just being reskins of others but 95% of melee weapons are shit
>>
>>152947406
rollin for swedish friend
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>>153157628
Yeah they really just kept adding them into the game like more = better.
I would really be happier if we had a quarter of the weapons, but they all did something unique in their charge animation, or had some cool effect like the buzzer or the katana.

but they cant remove them and theres to many to fix.
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>>153160621
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>>153157628
>mfw seeing anyone using anything that isn't the katana or buzzer
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>>153161164
>not using the shovel
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>>153161164
>ice pick don't real
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>tfw pistols have no recoil in this game,

so much bullshit
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>>153161164
>>153161942
>>153161967
>people don't use the fastest melee weapon in the game.
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>>153164035
Because they use two hands try shooting akimbo.
>>
>using the buzzer on a taser
Is there anything more satisfying?
>>
Haven't played the game in over an year now, how are the sentry guns?
>>
>>153165480
about yea high
>>
Sweet fucking Christ. I've been trying to do Private Party solo for the last five days. Somehow one cop always manages to plant a single foot in the fucking store, usually through the back windows.

What am I doing wrong?
>>
>>153166091
hold from the vantage point, do not open any windows
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>>153165480
You missed when they used to be good.

Devs nerfed the ammo pool into the ground so they're unusable again instead of being like situationally viable or something.
>>
>>153166091
Sniper vantage spot, go to it, shot at air to make it loud, survive on that spot killing them in the street
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>>153166091
Doing it solo.
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>>153166402
>>153166648
That's literally what I've been doing. Going on 30-ish attempts now and the achievement still hasn't popped.
>>
>>153166768
Read the achievement again?
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>>153166768
>usually through the back windows

do
not
open
any
windows
>>
>>153166857
I'm not, but somehow they're getting in there and I don't think it's through the front door either.
>>
>>153166768
Stop
opening
Windows
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>>153167149
cloakers don't count
they literally cannot enter the store except for the front entrance, assuming no glass is broken and no windows are opened
>>
I'm thinking of making a vantage point build so I can sit back and ignore my team mates. should I use drm or a sniper?
>>
>Music you play while heisting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udtPY0FDX-g
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>>153167740
>not available in my country

IM SORRY I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brT1aqpXeWs

majority of HM music is great for heisting loud
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>>153167373
Snipers so you can at least hurt the enemies decently.

Enjoy getting buttfucked, alone and frightened.
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ONE

This guy sucks at cheating too
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>>153167373
Jack of all trades, fak and ammo
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>>153168728
>wick player is so shit he has to resort to cheating

boy im surprised :O
>>
>>153168728
>Profile is private
Fucking shitters http://pd2stats.com/permission.php?&profiles=76561198033177911
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>>153168728
>XXV-100,
>doesn't have three detection risks,

wouldn't need cheats to judge him as a shitter
>>
Hitman being revamped when ? Don't see any reasons to use this shit.
>>
>>153165056
getting tased 2 seconds later by that taser
>>
>>153170090
Hitman revamp never.
>>
>>153137521
White chocolate isn't even chocolate. It's literally fucking ~50% sugar, mixed with milk, oils and a tiny bit of cocoa butter.
The fact that it has "chocolate" in the name is one of the biggest evils of marketing to ever exist, right after "essential" oils (they just smell).
>>
>>153171138
white chocolate mochas are great though
>>
>>153171138
Doing gods works rust thank you.
>>
>>153145494
Overkill the shotgun skill
>>
>>153145494
low blow. critical hits changes a man.
>>
>>153168728
mod?
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>>153176973
Lobby player info, a must have
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>>153175261
Crit javelins too good for this world.
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>>153177264
>2 on custody
>One down
>Wasting time and getting down too
>>
>>153177432
That was the last bag to cook. It was either deal with the Titandozer who was guarding it, or the 500 cops behind me who were shooting at me. Wasn't going to make it to the last guy even if I tried.

Pubs just don't give a shit and run around the map far away from any other teammate doing fuck-all instead of just moving all 9 bags to the zipline together and then holding out on top. And they wonder why Lab Rats is so hard.
Still a shit heist.
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THERE SURE IS SO MUCH HEIST DIVERSITY WHEN IT COMES TO PUB GAMES
>>
>the only skill that universally increases swap requires shotgun skills
>>
>>153013280
aeiou
>>
So what's your excuse for not being able to stealth Hoxtolicious revenge ?

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKJ3LKZTLhU
>>
>>153178689
stelf?
>>
>>153178993
But I already have on the release day. and it's fucking shit, so I'm not doing it again
>>
>>153178993
Seems like a lot of work for that money
>>
>>153181003
Anything to get paid.
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>>153181003
>fun
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>>153178993
>anti cheat: disabled
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>>153179712
seriously, why do pubshitters like to stealth so much? are they too shit to do those heists loud? (not counting the stealth-only heists)
>>
>>153186530
>are they too shit to do those heists loud?
Mostly this. They get in custody on ovk difficulty most of the time.
>>
>>153186530
>are they too shit to do those heists loud?
Yes.

Also they usually pick up Payday 2 because of the stealth alone, not because they want to shoot cops. A lot of the playerbase hates doing any loud heist and usually the ones that stick around after doing the stealth portions are the ones that would have picked up PD2 for the loud bits anyway.
>>
>>153186690
how do they even breathe if they fuck up playing something as simple as a fucking OVK heist?
>>
>John Wick
>Hitman 4/9
>Akimbo Chimano Customs
>4 aid kits
>CTV
>"Cloacker!"
>>
>>153187349
thank god ngbto exists
>>
>>153187487
It's a funny thing to see shitters under 100 hours trying to join my DW heists. The lowest one I got was at 5 hours. I mean fucking really? I can't understand what drives those low levels to Deathwish.
>>
>>153178818
>not just using hitmememan
>>
>>153187884
The problem is the fucking Crime.net screen showing them DW heists in the first place.

4 yellow skulls tells them jackshit about whether or not they should be playing on DW. This is also a large failure on OVK's part.
>>
>>153188250
Logic says it's the hardest difficulty, yet shitters with a playtime as low as 5 hours try to join those right off the bat. What the fuck?
>>
I thought you couldn't join until you were like level 85 or had an infamy level
>>
>>153188453
>ONE
was he using Wick as well?
>>
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>>152947406
fuck it
>>
>>153188459
It really doesn't take longer than 5 hours to get what payday is about.
>>
>>153188531
that should be a rule

>>153188626
no idea he was kicked before he joined lol
but probably

either that or bodhi
>>
DW isn't even that hard, compared to PDTH's OVK145+
>>
>>153188531
There is basically no level limit to joining or getting shown heists on Crime.net.

HOSTING on the other hand, has limits.
>>
>>153188670
Well then, it seems like the majority of the playerbase doesn't know that. I mean there's even guys at, like, infamy 2 or 3 who are still using an empty crew chief perk deck, have a shitty build and the concept of taking cover seems entirely alien to them.
>>
Question time: why do most shitters gravitate towards either Wick or Bodhi? I'm genuinely curious.
>>
game over deluxe

fucking idiot suicide noobs getting custody

nice cable waste

nice panic bag

nice tips from suicide hell

shall i call putin's bag heli for the rest of the bags?

stupid brain fried opium noob using the ammo eater deluxe

good luck with ammo

stop this weed madness
>>
>>153189298
>opium noob
What.
>>
>>153189047
the perk deck system is poorly explained
I've noticed alot of people don't even realize it's there, with the new menu its better but before it was hidden away.

infamy doesn't mean shit you level up way to fast in payday. Point still stands though if ovk is a cake walk so it stands to reason people will try the next difficulty.
>>
>>153189208
Because they think non-original heisters are PREMIUM tier but they only have access to the free heisters.
>>
>>153189506
his brain permanently fried and gone over to the opium hell

an idiot noob for life

thanks for useless non-cover while i fix saw

thanks for useless non-info tips from suicide hell

thanks for useless panic bag with no extra tactical cover

shall i call putin's ammo heli deluxe?
>>
>>153189718
no anon, you are the opium fried brain noob

Seriously though, you're not making any sense
>>
>>153189835
fuck you and get kicked you idiot noob

host kick this weed noob
>>
>>153189898
no fuck to you you codeine fried brain shit of noob
you are the faggot of ass
fuck to you
noob
>>
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Grenade launcher with incendiary ammo is OP it's like unlimited molotovs you can block off choke points forever
>>
>>153189649
Either that or they view them as the edgiest. Besides, there are also many shitters just playing Dallas.
>>
Dragan and Bonnie are the "hey look at me guys I'm different, am I cool now" heisters
>>
>>153190653
Dragan is paid DLC.
>>
>>153190653
>talking shit about dragan

i bet you play wick or clover/sydney you fucking faggot
>>
What do you guys think about Rust?

BITCH-ASS
>>
>>153190941
Wick is for shitters and Clover is for animefags. I haven't decided what Sydney is yet but I don't play as her
>>
>>153190973
He can't stop talking about boners and hellboy.

7/10 He's a cool guy.
>>
>>153191108
>CLOVER FOR ANIME FAGS
>NOT SYDNEY

stop posting.
>>
>>153191845
He's a guy we can relate to.
>>
>>153190973
FUCK THISCOCKSUCKINGMOTHERFUCKINGCLOAKER
>>
>>153192015
FUCKYOU, YOU CLOAKER FUCK
>>
ONE
>>
CAUSTIC SODA
>>
1600 PENN
>>
Reddit lit up like a Christmas tree
>>
Just buy the fucking DLC you stupid goyim
>>
>>153195275
THEN MAKE SOME FUCKING GOOD WEAPONS YOU JEW FUCK, STOP MAKING SHITTY DLC WEAPONS THAT ARE ONLY GOOD IF WE GET YOUR STUPID FUCKING SAFE SKIN. FUCK YOU
>>
אוי ואבוי
>>
>>153195275
Almir glad I caught you here is how you do dlc unlockables for weapons, just reward the player for using the item. The falcon is unforgivable.
>>
>>153195686
Whoa there! Don't act like that or we might feel like going on yet another well-deserved vacation!
>>
>>153195686
OYYYYYYY VEYYYYYYYY, YOU MEAN ACTUALLY PUT TIME AND EFFORT INTO OUR GAME? We don't care that much, and you dumb goys will buy whatever we shitout in a week regardless if its good or not. Why don't you have another free (*for 4.99) character pack and safe? ;;;;;)))

>>153196008
>HURR DURR DO STUFF THAT WON'T NET YOU ANY MONEY
Fuck off ;)
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>>153195686
>>
hahaha epic i like to make strawman on le internet

reddit meem power storm KKKlan legion anonymous 9gag army /b/rothers unite
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>>153198057
>>
>>153197679
ironically you're strawmanning right now :)
>>
>>153199168
>everyone who disagrees with me is le strawman boogeymang

epic
i love this epic meme invented by /ink/
it;s so epic
so upvoted
so upkarma
so upgold
>>
Has someone finally cracked up ?
>>
>>153199323
are you ok?
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>>153198646
>>
/PDG/ BIG LOBBY WHEN
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>>153199763
>>
>>153177264
fuck off solarmemex
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>>153200263
>>
Shitter Confession: I can't do the Diamond floor puzzle
>>
Dad Gam
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>>153201503
>>
cloacker!
>>
clocker
>>
>>153189208
Wick shitter here, I only main him because I actually enjoyed John Wick and a few other movies Keanu has been in.
>>
About to do City of Sin and Well-Oiled Gears if anyone wants to join i am in the chat
>>
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>>153201983
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>>153199615
>Any one who disagrees with me isn't okay
ahahaha nice meme
upvoted
posted to 9gag
liked shared and subscribed
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>>153202992
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRcUFvbcWCw
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>>153203325
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>>153203370
sure anon
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yeah nice one wiseguy get my hopes up make me think I actually have someone who will join but no I'm sitting here empty lobby no other players and I have it on public
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>>153203325
stop falseflagging you cucklord
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WOW, JUST, REALLY GREAT WORK.

PUBLIC OFFICE... GENTLEMEN, WE'RE IN THE WRONG LINE OF WORK

1600 PENN, MAYBE WE GO THERE FOR OUR NEXT BIG SCORE

GUYS THE THERMAL DRILL, GO GET IT

THE TIARA DOESNT HAVE TO BE IN THE BACK
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>doing big bank ovr
>two guys just shooting cops
>host says hey guys move bags
>one guy replies I'm out of ammo
>the two guys one infamy 25 and zero infamy die and go into custody
>infamy 25 leaves as soon as he gets thrown in custody

fuck this game and fuck people like this.
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>>153209949
>leaves as soon as he gets thrown in custody
why do people do this

getting custody is not the end of the world
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>>153210208
>people leaving when they went into custody back when the Stockholm Syndrome glitch was still a thing
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"custody"
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how the fuck do you do the parachute achievement
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>>153194613
...wait. Did The Elephant actually say reddit
What the fuck?
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>>153212180
Bain says it at the end of Framing Frame
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>>153211262
Pinpoint landing? Fall inside the coffee/"restaurant"
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>>153211262
jump out of plane to the right, shoot restaurant ceiling and fall in
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Post achievements you will NEVER get

>Guessing Game
>120 Proof
>Euro Bag Simulator
>Farmer Miserable
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>>153217256
>No One Cared Who I was
>No Turning Back
>Tip The Scales
>I Want To Get Away
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>>153217256
Already got all of them except 120 Proof. How the fuck do you even get that?
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>>153217730
GL40/RPG
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update when
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>>153217872
Yeah but

120 kills? What the fuck.
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>>153218563
3 days mAAYBEEEEEEEEE

Who knows
>>
now hand custody yourself
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>>152945218
I live in the UK. Close still nets me all the slavs so worldwide means better lobbies overall.
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>goatsim
>throw goat into air, kill cop, catch goat
>repeat 3 times
>no achievement
What did Almir mean by this?
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http://lastbullet.net/mydownloads.php?action=view_down&did=13061
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>you're gunfu is in the game
>but it's forcefully shit because it's the starter weapon xddd
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>>153218590
120 kills isnt that much, youll get three times that doing something like THE DIAMOND on normal plus the ammo pickup rate is nuts
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>>153220719
they broke the achievement in the last update
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>>153221585
[muffled ree in the distance]
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>>153156267
if overkill added a blowtorch it'd just be some shitty melee weapon
and you wouldn't get to burn people with it, you'd just swing it at them
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>>153217730
The person with the achievement needs 120 kills.

The rest can blast a double with nades and then go afk.
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>>153190062
HE shotguns are OP too
The game is not very well balanced
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>>153190062
>he didn't tried yet street sweeper or AA12 with incendiary shells
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YEAH
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>>153223401
Are you memeing on me or is dragons breath not completely worthless now?
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>>153228529
It's fine. Totally. DW and generalmcbadass approved.
>>
broke
dick
piece of shit
drill~
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>gold skins,

could this workshop be even less creative ?
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Why do I see ao many people use HBV now. Thats the armor you wear one time until you level up and can afford ictv or the skills for a decent suit dodge build
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>>153232675
silver skins
>>
Memes
>>
>>153233857
The game is so piss easy you can get away with it, all you need to do is use your regen properly.
That and ex-presidents works fine with lower Armour vests. and crook isn't shit anymore.
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Fuck me, we needed those crooks.
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>>153235598
>forgetting the "damn"
i'm 68% sure
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>>153235598
I'm going with maniac perk deck.
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>>153221428

>his gunfu is an M4gery or Glock 17

Anon confirmed for most boring man in the world
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Claim your gunfu before some shitter does
M1014
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>>153238429
Pre-niggeringfest 2015 Golden AK.762 is best
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>>153238429
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Join the vg chat for a free dlc of your choice. Just no biker stuff sorry out of that.
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>>153239235
>modding a golden gun with plastic shit,

worse than hitler
>>
Don't mind me just posting the best DLC
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>>153241437
kill yourself, mutant
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>>153241437
I think you gave me a sokol code back in February thanks for that.
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>>153242531
>Not the dragan character pack with its P2W perk deck
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>>153244309
>Pre-nerf grinder
>Not as good as infiltrator

step it up senpai
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>>153244385
>lens mods are disabled when using skins,

Remove Overkill kebab
>>
Taze that guy
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>>153247285
LIGHTNING BOLT
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>>153247285
LIGHTNING BOLT, LIGHTNING BOLT
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>>153248578
taser a cute
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>>153241437
pdg-tan makes my heart go doki doki, kawai heister WHEN?
>>
>>153249658
_____never_____
Or Sydney
>>
>>152947406
In the immortal words of Yeezus- "Fuck it we rollin"
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fuc k i got cloackered!
>>
>>153250187
Day 2 Rats
>Pubie 1 x infamy: don't go loud
>Pubie 2 : what?!?!
>pubie 1: dont shot the mendozas
>pubie 2: ahaha XD I thought we were doing firestarter
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>>152947406
Roll.
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>bots can now dominate cops
Thank you based better bots

A R M S O U T S T R E T C H E D
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>>153241437
>no biker stuff

fuuuug

still waiting for a damn sale so I can get those dlcs
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>>153238429
you fucker that's mine
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>>153238429
claimed
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>>153149890
Hello heisters! New side jobs are out!

Today's Daily Side Jobs are:
- Hector Begs You For Mercy! (hector_4_jobs)
- I Am The One Who Knocks (halloween_1)

And this week's new Weekly Side Job is:
- It's Getting Hot In Here (slakt_5)
Complete it for your chance at an Infamous quality Anonymous Mask!

Keep those helmets flying! ;)
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GET THE FUCK UP
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>do big bank for you solo, overkill
>realize i cant take a saw, since i dont have saw skills and dont want to replace my primary
>40 minutes later, finish mission
>mfw the payout is only ~4.5 mil offshore and ~1.5 mil spending
>mfw i spent 40 minutes to get the same monetary payout of a bank heist gold

dear overkill
please fix big bank
sincerely,
memes
>>
>http://steamcommunity.com/app/218620/discussions/15/361798516947642636/

So where were you when beardlib changed the modding community forever ?
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>>153256625
>lockpicking deposit boxes
You fucked up.
>>
cl
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>>153257902
This don't annoys me like cloacker, clock or clocker
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>>153257789
>mfw using carry stacker with the weigh turned off and better bots with RPK's while playing cook off with meth helper
Stay mad
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>>153258071
what about
ninja
tom Clancy
kicked
cloacker
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>shitters point out every single time they get downed by a cloaker, literally the enemy that's the most harmless for anyone reviving you
>never warn anyone when there's two blackdozers on top of their body or three snipers pointing at it
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>>153258071
The worst thing is pocohud announcements
>Player is down
>meth batch done
>a drill is done
>player used a medic bag, replenished x health and y downs
>inser special unit here
>Fired a bullet, Fired a bullet, Fired a bullet
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>>153257523
i didnt lockpick any deposit boxes
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>>153143376
caustic sode
proc
don't act dumb
jackie chan
thermal drill
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>>153238429
G A L I L
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>>153238429
Claimed
>>
you know what really pisses me off about overkill, they wanted to give AR their subsets which is totally fine great even. But they treated all the dlc content like it was base content, like it didn't cost players any money to purchase. They didn't bother to make stats improve or make it so that the stats the modded dlc parts give were better than the regular mods could give.
This leaves us in a weird situation, for the sake of making the game seem more organized they've hurt dlc, and they did this without fear purely because they've already sold it to us.
>>
how do they do it
>>
cloacker
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>>153262691
>mfw seeing a single claoerk putting down two shitters in a row,

Still funny to see them whine and yell they're OP.
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:)
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>>153264270
>soon
>shortly
I'm so glad that things like deadlines or any sort of schedule aren't part of overkill, if they were I might have mistaken them for an actual developer instead of the independent studio of four transsexuals in a shed that they are
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>>153238429
AUG IS A BEST
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>>153263754
Well, it's more a problem when they are supposed to NOT attack two ppl in a row
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>listen to the 2014 christmas carol again, the one where where Old Hoxton says "2 years in jail"
>at least a dozen youtube comments saying "wtf how did he only get 2 years and not life sentence"
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When you take off a weapon modification it says it places it in your inventory, however when I try and put it on again, it costs money.

Why?
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>>153267703
You need to pay Gage to attach the mod every time.
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>>153267836
That's fucking retarded
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>>153268024
Yes, it is.
But then again spending cash means basically nothing so this will never inconvenience you.
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>>153267703
trust me, you'll have more spending cash than you'll know what to do with very very soon
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Three days until the game become free to play for the rest of the week goys ;)
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>>153267703
>>153267836
>>153268221
>>153268024
You're refunded the mod money IIRC.

Weapons themselves only give back half when sold but mods are supposed to be full refunds if you take them off.
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>>153268583
and hopefully a sale

gotta get dem dlcs
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>>153238429
Forever and always
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>>153265212
If I had to guess we gonna see some news about it on thursday, they probably have internal deadlines but they don't share them
>>
tell me about bain
>>
>tfw finally fully stealthed FF day 3

i couldn't do it without your guys' advice, such as:
>use tripmines
>use tripmines to cover stairs and choke points
>use spotters to cover areas that are hard to cover with trip mines (i.e. large open areas with few walls and few chokepoints)
>kill 4 guards as soon as possible, it's easier/safer to track the last 2 and the inspector than it is to let them all live and keep the pagers as 'backup'
>bag shortcut is suicide, for the most part
>you can place bags to the left of the bed, and they cannot be seen
>ECMs are very useless in most solo stealth heists
>git gude
>git hoxhude

thanks stealth side of /pdg/

>>153272710
why does he like the flat?
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>>153272743
>Hoxhud

You're right about everything else but Pocohud is better.
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>>153272710
aw we shouldve sneaked this

TONS OF GOLD IN THIS DEAL
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>>153272710
Perhaps he's wondering why someone would shoot a merc, before jumping out of a plane.
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>>153238429
Akimbo Berneti 9's a best
>>
>>152947406
Oh boy
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>>152947406
rolling for my boy wolf
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>>152947406
>That Jiro

I didn't come to this general for feels
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>>153273881
it's a joke, i use pocohude + jackehude
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>>153274648
I use CompacHud over Pocohud. Minimal is best for me.
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>>153274035
LOT OF LOYALTY FOR A HIRED GUN
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>>153274648
>>153275003
PD:TH hud is objectively the best hud.
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>>153275425
I can recite the entire script by heart and recite it whenever someone spells bain as "Bane"
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>>153275618
nice bait
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>>153275618
That shit is vomit inducing
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>>153276351
What's wrong with having a character portrait?

That fucking le edgy minimalist metro hipster circle makes me puke.
>>
How do I disable PD2's shitty Chromatic Aberration? is it possible?
>>
>>153276536
http://lastbullet.net/mydownloads.php?action=view_down&did=833
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>>153276510
I like Character portraits a lot. They can give a lot of personality like in Dotards/Quake, but if they're static I hate them.
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>>153276667
Does it remove the CA too?
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>>153276671
I agree, but I still prefer a static portrait over hipster metro circle shite.
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>>153272710
why does he keep ordering to get the drill ?
>>
>Join a lobby
>infamy one players
>watchdogs
>start moving the bags
>they move all the bags to the scaffolding area left of the truck
>try to explain that they are not doing the right thing
>we all die to my shame
>get kicked
I found worse than idiotic NGBTO users today. Entitled low level pricks
Inb4 HYOG, that was not the point
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>>153277610
HYOG
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>>153268583
kill me
>>
Why are the majority of randoms so fucking bad?
I don't even mean the low levels, that's a given, but even high levels fucking lack common sense. Why are shit players allowed to play this game?
>>
>>153278393
they infest all games, it's inevitable
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>>153278509
It's almost impossible to fucking either host or find a good game nowadays. I just wanna shoot some cops for fucks sake. But I can't because there's always 3 other retards that require constant babysitting.
>>
>get cloaked
>entire team ignores you and you go into custody
can people not be such huge faggots holy shit this happens so much to me, i just fucking kick everyone and go play something else like why are pubbies so retarded REE
>>
>>153280609
>get cloaked
found your problem, have you tried not getting cloaked?
>>
Bronco or Matever?
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>>153281298
Whichever is more aesthetically pleasing, they perform roughly the same
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>>153281443
>Whichever is more aesthetically pleasing, they perform roughly the same
you could say that for the 98% of the guns in the game
>>
cl

help
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>>153280609
>get cloaked
you mean 'get cloacked'
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>>153284618
le chens is in le picle haha xD! i get that meme dude! :)
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>>153284782
kill yourself
>>
>join DW undercover
>dodgefag host goes down four times before the saw is done
>ragequits
wew
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>>153276792
The patcher in the OP still works
https://bitbucket.org/zabb65/payday-2-modding-information/downloads/payday2_no_chromatic_abberation_patch.zip

Run it after every update.
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>>153285701
Thanks. Are there any performance boosting mods? I'm on a laptop for some time and average 35~ FPS average outside of police assaults.
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>>153284782
>implying the "guys the drill go get it" meme isn't even more reddit tier
>>
>gay scalies art gallery mod has a shit ton of straight scalies

not okay
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>>153285815
Wow that's bad. There are a few performance boosting mods, yes.

Turn GPU Flush off, put <variable name="shadow_map_size" value="1024"/> in your \AppData\Local\PAYDAY 2\renderer_settings.xml (changing settings in-game will reset this file)

http://lastbullet.net/mydownloads.php?action=view_down&did=15173

http://lastbullet.net/mydownloads.php?action=view_down&did=16347 (has a bug which disables the hit and dodge screen effect, easily fixed by going into the folder of the mod, opening the "screwthoseffects.lua" file, and deleting: "vp:vp():set_post_processor_effect("World", Idstring("color_grading_post"), Idstring("empty"))"

http://lastbullet.net/mydownloads.php?action=view_down&did=15764
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>>153287067
you're supposed to look at their balls
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>>153288404
There are not even any balls to look at
It's plastered with tits
>>
>>153288404
but im not interested in scalie chicks with dicks, im interested in scalie men
>>
Long time ICTV user, i'm trying my hand at Dodge/Suppressed weapons builds
Could you post a good one ?
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>>153238429
Mine and forever
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>>153288472
>>153288602
why not make your own straight scalies mod then if the gay one is the opposite
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>Four man game
>Get downed in a safe location close to the team
>go into custody
>i thought someone else would get you tho LOL
>>
Is there ever a reason to run DMR kits? I just finished Big Bank and I felt like I was always close to being out of ammo on the G3 with it.
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>>153290686
Get ammo efficiency

Also I seriously hope you're not using automatic with it
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>>153289186
use this and like an HE judge
generally if you can hit 4 detection risk with a given weapon combo, that's all that really matters

here's some skills
http://pd2skills.com/#/v3/mABDflr:eFklr:tlMnOR:gghiJLnOPQr:flPr:ibcdea:pM8:::

generally i recommend against rogue/crook for dodge builds, since muscle with 15 dodge provides more EHP than rogue/crook. the only advantage rogue has is the fact that you get a free 80% swap speed increase

you can also run ex-presidents, although you'll have less raw HP you'll have more regen than muscle. if you do run ex-pres, make sure you get bullseye basic. it allows you to easily trigger the regen once your armor is blown

inspire aced since one of the great utilites of dodge builds are FAST.
underdog aced for nearly always having a 15% damage reduction and damage boost
body expertise because famas is a bullet hose, and this is basically a flat increase to your dps
standard dodge skills, professional aced for that sick +12 accuracy
bloodthirst aced for EZ reload speed increase, i love this skill. use it on all of my builds with icepick, basically instant 260 damage swings after just 3 kills

there's a bunch of 'trash' skills in this build, change them as you'd like to fit in whatever
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>>153290826
>DMR kit
>automatic
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>>153291063
then if you're using it on single fire and still running out of ammo just git gud and learn to aim
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>>153291001
What's the cap on dodge tho ?
>>
>>153290826
>>153291148
Different Anon. It was on single shot. Like I said I didn't run out of ammo. I was just down to 10-19 shots often after clearing out groups after we got into the vault. Even after running over all the ammo boxes it rarely felt like I was going net positive on ammo.
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>>153291351
do you have ammo efficiency aced? it's really important for the dmr kit build
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>>153291001
>muscle with 15 dodge provides more EHP than rogue/crook
You have no fucking idea how dodge is calculated, for shame my man, for shame
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>>153291338
i think the highest you can get is rogue+suit+10% dodge from 4 detection risk and sneaky bastard you can hit 55%, but the EHP (effective health) on your average dice roll is about the same as muscle
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>>153291640
https://www.reddit.com/r/paydaymeta/comments/3k52tg/muscle_as_a_dodge_deck_an_analysis/

>inb4 >reddit
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>>153291806
>reddit
>>
>>153291806
>not one single person in the comments knows how dodge is calculated
Simple version: When you dodge A bullet, you take no damage from ANY bullets for a short period of time.
Here's the real important bit: If you dodge a bullet while bullet-invulnerable, the invuln timer refreshes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yk4gPSQb6I
I implore you to put ANY amount of empirical testing in what you're saying, you will immediately, immediately musclesuit doesn't have even a fraction of the survivability as any dodge build.
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>>153292237
I accidentally a word there, also pardon the shitty HUD that idiot is using
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>>153291474
I did not. I skipped it since I usually don't run DMR on any of my rifle setups, and it seems real bad any other time. I will take your advice though and ace it before doing another DMR heist.
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>>152947406
roll roll..
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>>153292762
roll/20
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>>153292237
I know how dodge works, and
>ANY bullets for a short period of time
is wrong.
Any bullet that does equal or less then is ignored, but can still refresh the dodge duration. But if you receive damage that is higher than the damage you just received, you must roll to dodge this new damage, regardless of bullet invincibility.
When you fail to dodge this new damage, you are very likely to get chunked a fairly decent amount of non-regenable HP. Unless you invest in hostage taker, you have to either consume a FAK or continue praying to RNGesus.
The advantage of muscle dodge is more effective hp during your average assault wave. Naturally there are indeed situations where rogue dodge out performs muscle dodge, and vice versa, but in your average heist, you will higher EHP with 15% muscle dodge vs 55% rogue dodge.
The greater HP and sustainability of muscle is on average better than the increased dodge of rogue, in other words
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>>153293206
Yes, the damage invulnerability is a little more nuanced than just total invulnerability, easier to explain that well.
You can't know how dodge works and still think muscledodge is viable. You can't know how dodge works and TRY TO APPLY EHP CALCULATIONS TO IT.
It's unbelievably stupid and once again I implore you to put any amount of in-game testing into it and when your "higher EHP" gets shredded to all fuck the moment you try to sprint anywhere you'll start to question what the fuck are you even saying.
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>>153293507
Except the entire point of EHP calculations is to factor in things like dodge. Of course there are situations where you become 100% immune to sustained fire, and you cant factor that in to your EHP calculation.
You should understand that you aren't always in 100% immune to bullet phase, and that for the most part, you usually aren't, since assault waves typically aren't homogeneous, especially since DW has a lot of varying damage coming at you during your average assault wave.
You also need to remember that you have regen on muscle vs no regen on rogue (sans skills and FAKs)
Believe me, I've used muscle dodge a lot, on DW. It works fine. It gives you more reliability, while still retaining positive aspects of dodge builds, like FAST.
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The escape van is leaving with or without you, gentlemen.

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>>153294519
>the entire point of EHP calculations is to factor in things like dodge
The entire point of EHP calculations is to show the whole world how retarded you are because they factor dodge percentages as fucking percentile damage mitigation.
>You should understand that you aren't always in 100% immune to bullet phase
You should understand that if you are in the bullet immune phase for even 20% of the time (which you literally can't NOT be in, even if you tried) this entire argument of "EHP" falls apart
>You also need to remember that you have regen on muscle
You are not going to ever use this regen because you will immediately drop to 10% and your 15% dodge is going to get you downed again the moment a cop looks at you mean. That's another funny thing by the way, this whole bogus mathematical calculation implies 100% health, so the regen would almost never even matter, right?
>Believe me, I've used muscle dodge a lot, on DW. It works fine.
I seriously doubt that VERY MUCH
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>>153295261
>this whole bogus mathematical calculation implies 100% health, so the regen would almost never even matter, right
???
It acutally doesn't, it assumes how much damage you can expect to 'receive' without dying (up until you receive more damage than the number), with regen not factored in. Your EHP is technically even higher with muscle due to regen.
>you will immediately drop to 10%
It's weird that armor builds use muscle, and yet when their armor breaks, they dont have this problem???
I think you're severely underestimating the health you get from muscle.

You can believe what you want to believe, but I've used muscle dodge plenty, and I much prefer it over rogue dodge builds any day of the week.
The line is obviously blurred between EHP between muscle and rogue when considering things you can't calculate in an EHP calculator, muscle dodge is more consistent in terms of sustainability than rogue, in my experience.
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>>153295261
Not him, but give me a good dodge build then
It seems that even with 55% dodge i get rekt by a coughing cop
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>>153296571
if you see a shitty cop, like the blue cops and the hostage rescue/taser cops, prioritize them above all other cops

for some reason ovk decided that lower health cops should do more damage than higher health cops
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