/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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>>152874437
Für das vaterland.

I used to reach deeper with any character in any games

I mean, I could manage to reach lair with FeMo without a god just because I wanted to play jyiva, now I splat MiFi at D:5, just for an example.

Why am I getting so shit at these games? Did I just burn out? What should I play to rekindle my passion for roguelikes?

Fedhas is a pretty fun god to worship.

>>152874923
You're not paying attention to your defenses and offense so you're playing D:5 like you're at d:14 and can just tab all the monsters you're fighting now

Sil, dynahack, Infra Arcana, Brogue

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Oh man, I've never had so many choices before. I kind of wish I hadn't burned all my enchant armor scrolls on the fire dragon armor, but I'd probably have died already without the extra defense it gave me until I found all this shit.

Where does one go to get their third rune normally? If I don't die by then I guess I'll decide whether to go straight for my first win or man up and go for more runes.

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Things are starting to look up for the little snot. Starting to get some good quality gear and accumulating damage/aoe/hex wand drops including the ever vital wand of heal monster. Mined enough sheckles for a pokeball. Hopefully this'll get me some good ac and I can get a horse/unruly horse without dying in the process.

Mining for jelly pokeballs and maybe a novice priest on the horizon to get the adventurer band together for the warg quest. May just scoop around stronghold:4 and go down with 8 novice rangers and my jellies.

>>152875824
Vaults is usually the fifth rune, although the Abyss is also a choice. The slime pits could be done too but you better be ready to kill the royal jelly at the end.

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Hu feels so frail and helpless

This character died to an orc warrior (with his exact same gear) from full health, not even managing to take half his health before being shitstomped, when I got bored and decided to let tab guide me

The dry spell on comsumables didn't help either

>>152876701
They have a base AC almost as high as your base weapon damage man and you don't have exceptional stats, defenses, or weapons. Did you engage or flee and reengage at max range to chuck a couple javs in him?

>>152877227
As I said, I literally tabbed into him not because I thought I was going to win, just because I was that bored with the character. I just thought the results were even more pathetic than I expected

>>152878210
How did you turn into stone?

>>152878210
Funsilisk/Jogrun on V:5 probably. Kind of a bummer cause the usual just teleport and you'll be fine wont work. Though I think he would have made it if he was already on the stair, read, and went up

>>152878451
>How did you turn into *bloat*?
FTFY

>>152878684
>They said I could become anything, so I because bloatform

>>152876125
what are you playing as anon? snotling something?

>>152878451
>>152878668

Catopblepas, actually.
Which made this even more embarrassing.

>>152879159
Good thing you went chei ;)

>>152879159
does catoblepas petrify you if the gas is on the stair and you press <? It doesn't normally affect you if you leave the tile, but I guess it takes more than one turn to use the stairs...

>>152879286
Ofc it takes more than one turn to get up the stairs cuz he went fucking chei

>>152879286
Exactly.

Do *band variants have the best UI, in Windows at least? Able to drag shit around, open exactly what you want, glorious graphics, I can't think of any that top it.

>>152879143
Lucky snotling tourist.

>>152879361
Does chei actually slow down stairs? Most movement-based shit doesn't affect them.

Also even statueform underwater cheinaga movement doesn't get you petrified by cat breath: it's based on player actions rather than auts, so if you spend .1 aut attacking with your hastefinesse quickblade of speed before leaving you'll get petrified but if you spend 10 auts chemoving out of it you're fine.

>>152879361
Is it still 2.7 turns to go up or did they fix the balancecrime?

>>152879681
>>152879798
I think it does, im not really sure honestly, they might have changed it

>>152879558
The multiple windows shit in *bands is only necessary because of a badly designed UI. It works but it's not pretty or immediately intuitive if you're new

Best UI I've seen in roguelikes is probably offline crawl or brogue

>>152879943
The band windows are a crawl UI that isn't hard to tweak dogshit. so suck it.

>>152880049
The crawl UI tells you everything *band windows would without need for tweaking. It also looks less cluttered

>>152880436
crawl offline doesn't even have the list of monster names which is the important bit

in pcb I don't actually keep windows for inventory/equipment, just visible monsters/items

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>>152880634
It has a bar which displays monsters in LoS, and you can see the names by hovering over them

>>152880947
It's also far less necessary in tiles, since unlike PCB crawl has unmistakable tiles for uniques and no monsters share the same one

>>152880947
>having to use the mouse
might as well not exist tbqh
it's faster to press xv then to move my hands from the keyboard to the mouse

>>152881246
I don't know about you but moving my right hand to the mouse doesn't take even a second. Arguing over a difference of 1 or 2 seconds is nothing but nitpicking

There's also that, again, you rarely need to do that on crawl unless you're new whereas with PCB it's pretty much a necessary part of gameplay every single run

>>152881723
i bet you use numpad too

>>152882129
hjklyubn mustard rice

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>>152883254
congratulations anon, you have made the correct choice

why can't other roguelikes use vi key movement as well?

>>152882129
I use one of them flight sim joysticks covered in buttons. It's satisfying as fuck to pull one of the triggers and a macro zaps the nearest target with a IMB/OOD/iron shot/whatever I have in spell slot's a and b.

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>>152877491
>not always playing to win
>not making each and every move with the utmost caution

>>152883890
Babbies made it without experiencing the orgasmic bliss that is hjklyubn based murderhoboing

>>152883890
most roguelikes do have vi movement though?

*hacks and *bands do, plus crawl/sil/brogue i think
adom elona and DDA don't have vikeys because they're all developed by shitters

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>>152883982
Man has a limit. We can only take so much before we break.

>You can still skill up after reaching level 27.

Whoa, this changes everything. I thought once you hit level cap your skills were locked at what you managed to get them up to.

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>>152884464
Only once you've been thoroughly broken can you truly win.

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>Start a DrCj
>Nearly die and have to quaff id curing on the fourth monster I fight
>It's a jackal

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I wonder what could be behind this door?

>>152887051
A party!

>>152887051
Probably like 4 orbs and all the draconians.

>>152887051
>doorvault in Zot
if you don't open it you're a pansy

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>>152887090
>>152887135
Ah yes, a free xp party.
My favorite.

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>>152887225
Easy.
All I needed was like 10 fire storms and a few iron shots.

>>152888098
SOMEONE POST THE PIC
PLEASE, I WANNA CRY A BIT AGAIN..

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This level has been a real pain. All 3 stairs are directly next to each other and right to the left of a vault filled with jellies, which is right next to a vault filled with killer, bees, which was right next to a vault filled with yaks, and all of this topped by a hippogriff, a hungry ghost and a black bear

A monster stepped on an alarm trap which woke up everything. It feels like playing depths except not being tough enough to tab anything

>>152888432
Probably worth reading magic mapping on that floor.

>>152888432
Don't centaurs still have their speed boost? Just keep skedaddle poking and drawing to previous floors to skedaddle poke.

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>>152888905
>wasting consumables

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>>152889090
All the vaults made the level look really interesting. It barely looks like a D level

>>152883890
vikeys are literally inferior.

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>>152889514
I didn't even notice but all that shit made my piety go up like crazy

It also turned out the little lava crosses were a vault as well, they had lava snakes

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A vamp weapon is kinda like having AC. R-right?

>>152890758
Oka still has a greater chance of piety when you're fighting 'dangerous' or 'extremely dangerous enemies,' I think.

And why are you backing into a corner as a centaur with polearms? Kite nigga, right now you're forcing yourself to burn a consumable if things go more South

>>152884434
>DDA doesn't have vikeys
Then how the fuck did I play it?

>>152891256
Why are you wearing quicksilver armor?

>>152891256
24 AC is a good amount of AC, anon.

>>152891256
Having AC is kind of like having AC

>>152891256
Having a vamp weapon is kind of like a free 3 runes

>>152891460
I want to get close enough to see the glint of a giant's eyes before he hits me for 40 damage with his GSC

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>that split second of lag in a risky fight letting you know the game is busy deleting your save file

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So which will do more damage to Cerebov: A twice surge of power'd fire storm or an iron shot?
And yes, these are my only two options.

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I feel like the monolith summoning invisible dudes when you activate it (without telling you that it summoned anything), might be a little bit overly cruel.

>>152892940
Do both and see

>>152892940
fsim it maybe

>>152893943
Iron shot was better but it was still a pretty fucking tough fight.
Only managed due to 2 scrolls of summoning and a phantom mirror.

>>152892940
Firestorm is 45% irresistable? So he'll resist 55% of your firestorm, but it will never miss.

At max spellpower, firestorm does 8d(205/8), which has a range of 8-208 and is fairly centered on the average of 100. After Cerebov's fire resistance, that's an :
>average of 45 damage.

Iron shot at max spellpower is 9d19 damage, which ranges from 9 to 171, also centered on the average of 86 damage. Cerebov has 30AC and 8 EV. The average AC roll is 15.5~=16, so the average damage you'll do on hit is 86-16, so 70 damage. But then, that's assuming you hit. But then 8 EV isn't very much, so you'll have to miss a lot to make that 70 damage per hit fall behind that 45 damage per hit.

I'd bet Iron Shot, when both spells are max power.

>>152892729
I actually know that feel

>>152893816
What does the monolith even do?

>>152892940
Iron shot's the better 1v1 faggot. At the same time, that's rarely a thing. Hasted crystal ball evoking Fire storms are better than iron shot

>>152894912
Monolith's give you 1/4 of a level worth of XP so you want to try to grab them on every floor if possible.

So far I've found levels with no monoliths, and levels with 2 or 3 monoliths.

Really important since the only sources of XP are Monoliths, IDing items, and some fountains.

>>152894912
with no resistances, iron shot does less damage than firestorm at max damage. Firestorm is a better 1v1 spell than Iron shot. Firestorm does more damage, can't miss, and can hit at edge of LOS. This case is an exception because Cerebov has rF+++. Faggot.

>>152895204
As a rule of thumb most shit you care about resists and iron shot doesn't bring your entire third of the map down on your head.

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Does tinned food ever spoil in CDDA?
I'm playing the latest experimental version, if that helps...

>Be noob playing nethack
>using wiki's only moderately (usually after i die).
>be on sokoban level 2 planning out how to get through this deathtrap
>literally spend like 15 minutes planning my strat
>start it, get like 3 moves in and a monster spawns behind a bolder i need to move
>can't get to it, no idea how to kill monster
>decide to yolo zap un ID wand hoping it will somehow bypass bolder and hit monster.
>You zap the wand of death
>it hits you
>you die

Well shit. didn't know wands could reflect. I'm having quite the laugh at how fucking retarted that must have looked. I have more nooby retarted stories of my nethack fails if people want them

>>152896021
Ohh, those are usually pretty fun, do tell!

>>152895984
I don't think it does anymore. Used to take 2 years and was slowed by fridges. Search on the github if you want to be sure.

>>152896725
Ah, thanks man, I was mostly worried about the "Perishes in 2-5 days" stuff that it has in the description, wasn't sure whether it was accounting for the food being tinned or not.

>>152897776
That's if you 'U'nload it from the tin.

There's really no reason to ever do this unless you are crafting something that doesn't use the entire tin contents.

>>152898043
Ah, good... That means I can stop frantically eating everything...

>Trog berserk doesn't slow, consume food, cause exhaustion, etc.
>BiA has no fail rate
>Trog gifts allow you to choose between three potential gifts

>Trog now deprecates use of all magic, including scrolls, potions, rods, walking into spotted tele or zot traps, etc.

>>152898634
??

>>152896156

>Be knight, gotten pretty far (for me, its like floor 6/7)
>find scroll shop, jackpot
>I learned the nethack thing that the cheapest scrolls are identify
> buying them, taking them out and id-ing things.
>walk back into shop
>a wild dust monster appears blocking the door
>attack it and get grabbed
>kill it
>Am blinded, but i didn't realize it
>move
>you run into something
>its angry
>it zaps a wand
>you die

I didn't know that you got blinded by dust if you get grabbed by a dust monster. it makes sense but i didnt realize. Seems i ran into the shop keeper wild blind and annoyed him and he killed me.

>>152898634
Would make him more balanced

>>152898634
Including branded weapons? If so then that's shit.

Got dust vortex'd hard in 18.2 Infra arcana. holy shit, what are you supposed to do?

>>152897776
Broth and stuff used to but they finally fixed it.

Is the sword of jihad any good

>>152899286
I find with Vortexes the only option is to avoid the fuck out of them.

An occultist could probably kill them with 2 darkbolts.

>>152899792
It's amazing.

Am I wrong in thinking it'd be worth it downgrading from scale to meme mail so I could wear a barding of rF without ruining my EV?

>>152899832
Well I opened a door and got wrecked so yeah.

>>152900076
You're a large race with an unfitting body. You can swim against the current or embrace it.

>>152900076
>downgrading
>>152900214
Yeah, IA has a problem with getting one-shot on coming into sight.
If monsters get alerted they make noise, but sometimes they only get alerted the turn you come into sight.

Fire Vortexes are worse since you can't do ANYTHING while on fire except move, melee attack, and drink potions.

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First time playing nethack, went for the yolo random. Any tips before I die?

>>152901632
Don't be burdened.
Never be stressed.

>>152901632
Write the turns you pray for satiation so you don't fug yourself
Run a protection racket
Enjoy your free win
Don't https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/DeathOnAStick

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Remember to take it easy, /rlg/!

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Glorious

>>152901632
Don't wield-ID weapons, early ones have a higher chance of being cursed
Don't carry corpses, they weight too much. Eat them from the floor
Be wary of what you eat
Don't carry around boxes and chests, you don't need them in 99.9998% of cases (Not even kidding, they have an use but it's not something a new player would know about)

Never be burdened for extended periods of time, and never be stressed. Period.
'a'pply your touchstone on whatever gem you find

>>152889948
>not having to move your hand off the numpad every second and then back
>inferior
how's your carpal tunnel going?

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>>152902616
Three gnoll sergeants on D:6, this is shaping up to be a great run

>>152903367
I just splatted if anyone else wants to use the akrasiac account

>>152904579
rip

>rlgrobin on xtahua
>have a promising formicid fighter going for its first rune
>worship an unusual god
>leave it be for a week for someone else to play
>log back
>old god left, still under wrath
>we worship Chei now
>when we have Sharnga in the inventory (longbow of SPEED)
>we trained Shields to 15
>when we have an elec exec axe equipped
So basically someone got one rune, then decided he's bored so he'll fuck up the character a bit because why not. Okay, fine, I guess I can just play on my normal account.

>>152905028
I see no problem with training shields on a formicid

>>152905028
Cheifags just can't worship any other god.
Also every Fo should get 15 Shields skill at some point, anon. There aren't any 4-handers left in the game.

>>152905028
mega noob and also a pussy
fo can wield two hand and shield
longbow of speed is overrated; and if the bow was found after worshipping chei then what's even the problem
also elec exec axe is guaranteed 3 runes it should be easy to win

What's a good amount of tloc skill to get cblink castable? 47 int btw

>>152906284
Double of that spell level, around 16-18 Translocation.
Should be easy if you zigscum once.

>>152906574
Well i cleared half of snake and got 8 points, maybe i can get the rest from vaults

>>152905028
Formicids 1-hand 2-handed you noob.

This "lifting overhaul" on CDDA is just so fucking retarded.

>>152905406
>>152906138
You're right, I don't know what I was thinking about those Shields.

>>152906236
>>152907014
Go play your fuck up then or ctrl q it if you are unable to play together with someone else. I'll wait until that character is done.

>>152907647
You play it you fucking pussy. The point of the robin is so you can fuck around not so you can tryhard it and go for maximal winrate or whatever the fuck. If you're just going to bitch and whine about people playing your character differently then stay the fuck off of the robin

>>152909067
>the point is to fuck around not so you can tryhard
>so i've switched to the only god i ever play
well, if you like the god wrath so much, let me add trog to the mix, ok? surely it'll be fun then

>>152909423
Go ahead fag. I wasn't even the one who played your character.

>>152909423
If you don't want someone else playing and potentially fucking up/killing a character, don't play that character on a shared account anon.

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>random everything
>get a lawful dwarven valkyrie
>crystal plate mail on D:1

Sooo, my pet won't pick it up. Does that mean its cursed? Should I just wear it anyway?

>>152912390
No, it's heavy. If your pet doesn't walk over it, then it's cursed.

>>152912390
What tileset is that?

>>152900076

Ignore EV. 15 runing with less than 10 EV is your ideal situation.

>>152912390
CPA is terrible in Nethack. It weighs way to damned much.

>>152912483
Oh good, it walked all over it.

>>152912569
DawnHack

>>152913670
Take in mind heavy armor is generally bad on nethack. Usually people shoot for a mithril coat and then dragon scale

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>>152906284

>it's a Deep Elf cBlink scumming episode

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>>152913938
What's bad about heavy armor besides the weight? Does my high strength not really help here?

Also, luck train continues. Boots of Speed on D:2.

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>>152914090
DsEE actually :^)
>tfw no high-damage spells outside of LDR
At least i can punch people with my 0-skill fists to death thanks to cheistats and statueform
Let's hope i find a decent book in here

>>152914162
It's just not worth the extra weight. Dragon armor is just plain better than anything else, so any other is strictly very short term

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>>152914090
>tfw got Book of Clouds and a randbook with CBlink in it on my DSIE just today

>>152914501

>bloatform
>cBlink

Scumming scum.

>>152914162
CPA weights 550 stones, and that's more than half the unburdened carrying capacity of a 18STR/18CON character. Usually only roles like barbarians and vakyries can get some use out of it, and only in the earlygame
Very nice find nontheless, same as with the speed boots, but remember to check your weight

>>152914631
>DS
DE*

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>>152914631
Veh is so flavourless.
He needs a redesign, at least make his max piety reward a Hurl Hellfire spell unique only to him, so the player can actually let it burn in hellfire.
Also rename damnation back into hellfire.

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>>152914501
>18 earth magic
>11 conjurations
>Find 7 books in elf vault
>No iron shot
>No shatter
>Book of air instead
I know that i'll need tornado for extended, but fucking hell i can't be stone arrowing shit forever

Why is there no good roguelikes with a beast ranger class

>>152915895
GearHead Arena

>>152915507

The flavour of Vehumet is that he makes Sif look like bloat.

>>152915507
Vehumet should definitely not get anything related to hellfire ever, since it is hilarious that he advises its use without ever granting it.

I agree that he needs a rework though. Really wishing I'd picked Sif or Ash, but I need to get Veh off my list at some point.

>>152915895
You mean a ranger which summons beasts? Or just a strong ranger?

If its the latter, Rangers in Angband are really incredibly strong. Probably the strongest class aside from Mages- though some people really like Rogues.

>>152915895
im pretty noobish to it still but nethack rangers have beast pets that can level up and "evolve" into better pets

The only rework Vehumet needs is him getting restored to the version before they turned him into complete shit.

>>152917230

Nah, he's fine.

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So I just won with 15 runes for the first time. Damn this was stressful. No way in hell im going for another 15 rune run again.

After I picked up statue form and lichform the game was a piece of cake. I cant help but feel like necroform is almost mandatory with all the torment spam and rN doing nothing to alleviate that.

>>152901632
Play Nethack4 or Dynahack instead of vanilla. Both have huge quality-of life changes, and Dynahack has new stuff.

>>152919189
you are a great player now

>>152919356
not yet, now i need to make a new account and keep it at a >30% win rate to pretend like i was great all along

>>152919189

>necroform is almost mandatory

It's mandatory if you're bad

What is the optimal character build in Cataclysm:DDA using the separate stat pools?

>>152919189
>Be

no

>>152919915
A character with some starter points in combat and crafting so that you don't have to kill yourself on day 1 by trying to sew 30 socks or drop all your shit to kill some stuff. Maybe take a profession that gives good returns. Traits are overrated.

>>152919189
>NecroMut necessary
Not really. I'd say haste is mandatory unless you're a cheifriend. Otherwise, you just have to pick and choose from what tools you have.

In nethack/dynahack any tips for when its okay to do the gnomish mines? i dont usually seem strong enough to do them when i initially find them.

>>152920568
XL 7/8 if you're new to the game, earlier or later depending on role and items found

>>152920568
It really depends on what race/alignment/class you are.
A lawful dwarf valkyrie, for example, will have to fight much less than most other characters. And what they do fight, they can usually handle. They can do it right away.
A neutral human samurai has to fight through everything except the townsfolk, but they can usually handle what they take on. They should still do it later though, since humans don't have Infravision, which is really helpful in the mines.

I'd say if you don't have infravision or good melee, probably go do sokoban first, unless your plan is to do a protection racket.

>>152915507
The classic mage attack spell is some kind of fire related magic, or fireball. Vehumet gives you special synergy with the strongest fire-type offensive spell in the game, letting you kill things you can't see and get all of your MP back from it, so in the perfect situation you can just keep spamming firestorm after firestorm after firestorm.

He's got some flavor, not quite as much as other gods, but then not all the gods need to be quite the same. If they all had the same number of active abilities, the same number of passive buffs, and the same amount of flavor, then they'd feel like reflavors of the same god. I like gods being at different places on the flavor/no flavor, passive/active, powerful/shitty scale. Just like how the races aren't strictly balanced against eachother; Mi is better than Mu.

>>152920219
I don't know, some of the traits are pretty good. Night Vision in particular is a significant advantage.

>>152921006
I agree, but people take the min max "traits only, no points" builds to heart when putting some points into skills is actually a really great way to survive your first week or so. You take a lot of the rng out of combat and crafting, and can get a kit together much easier, faster and more efficiently. Most endgame characters are basically the same, being some kind of monster truck driver with bionics and maybe muts and some huge ass gun. The character doesn't matter so much as the gear and craftables, which traits don't really affect as much. Obviously there are great traits to take, but my point is that you shouldn't ONLY get traits. A profession and some rudimentary skills are better.

>>152920984

>Mi is better than Mu
>torment immunity
>poison immunity
>no hunger

yeah right

If Vehumet extends the range of Glaciate, Firestorm, and Tornado, what does he do for Shatter?

>>152912390
Pets are extreme cunts when it comes to actually walking over it.

>>152915787
You can LRD well into vaults. Shame about no summon elementals anymore for stone eles

>>152915895
Doesn't tome have one?
Not sure if the PCB beastmaster has decent launcher proficiencies but ranger can take realms with summoning and archer/sniper can monster ball casters and fellow ranged for a gank party. If you pile on high acc rings of archery you can ride a drago. Cavalry has decent apt too through you lean on your rings hard to shoot while mounted.

player salamander race when

>>152921434
Oh yeah, LRD wrecks vaults. Hell i had V4 have all walls made of crystal, and it was amazing, but now i'm scared for V$

>>152921574
skeleton race first

>>152921574
I wish they'd put the fucking experimentals back on berotato. I miss the salamander branch.

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Jesus christ these guys are scary.
Took him out with a molotov from out of LOS using Detect Creatures, then darkbolted him and kicked a brazier onto him.

Crawl Devs would be disgusted.

>>152922143
>Mi-go Commander
How horrifying. I remember my last run getting absolutely fucked by Mi-go's. I'm still a little salty over it, since they stunlocked me to death from full HP. Melee warvet win never ever. Or until next version.

>>152921307
Oh I was asking for opinions on builds that use the multiple pool system, where you can't trade off skills in exchange for stats. It seems inherently more balanced to me than the single pool system, where you can pick a scenario with a temporary bad start and gain 5-6 additional stat points.

>>152922347
Right on, but it still exists somewhat in investing as much into stats/traits as possible. Just take a good profession, put extra points into tailoring/dodging/fabrication/survival and take a trait or two. If you want the game to be tremendously easier, take extra points in strength/dex/int or take up a martial art. Its kind of gamebreaking to do that though, so do it only if you enjoy that kind of thing.

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Yeah I am really not down with the monoliths summoning monsters.

Literally nothing I could do aside from not touch the monolith, and if that's optimal- well I will probably just play earlier versions.

Would probably have been trivial if I had a source of rFire, I guess. Fire is definitely not very balanced.

>>152922334
Yeah, >1 Mi-go is a no-go for me.
This guy was just blocking off the way to the stairs (they were on the far right, and he was patrolling the room).
If you can pull them off one by one they are easier, this is harder with mi-gos because of their AI though.

Desolation of Salt commit made it onto the live trunk.
Honestly I'm super pumped to try it out, sounds like a cool vault.

>>152921367
>Mi has 10% more HP
>Mi literally takes 1/2 as much XP to level weapons/armour, 70% as much to level fighting, 60% as much to level dodging
>early game Mi can quaff potions

The only leg up Mu has in early game is rPois. Instead of rPois, Mi has 10% more HP, a free headbutt attack, and the ability to quaff

>>152923132
Desolation of salt?

>>152920568
Dip it for an elven/dwarven mail then do dungeon down to the oracle floor and sokoban.

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Who the fuck banishes a whole temple

>>152923346
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d70448eba4593c267b62b7a4a271542b1552ca5b

>>152923132
It won't be live on the servers until they rebuild, mind you.

>>152923271
Mu has honour.

>>152921686
Another thing, don't forget your can petrify low mr shit and then LRD it to frag a group in the open.

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new god when

>>152923271

>muh 10%
>muh exp
>potions of irrelevance
>when you have gazillion of spells and wands in the game
>minotaur can't even cast a single midgame spell without getting into extended

>>152922939
>I AM DEAD
kek
do you read the message logs out loud for immersion?

>>152922347
Well, it's pretty much the same in terms of minmaxing, just that you can't throw everything in stats.

Take the OP traits / good ones you can't get elsewhere, pick the professions that give good returns on skills (Blackbelt is the most ridiculous and is completely OP, survivalist gives more than it costs as do some others probably. Or pick a bionic one I guess). Skills are still mostly irrelevant unless you have a billion points to stack something high enough to unlock interesting recipes, like lab start with the technician.

It's better balanced in that you can't be a demigod, but not really more varied in terms of the powergamer start.

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How do I get past this?

>>152923776
When you take the opposite side just for the sake of argument, you should have an actual good argument. Now it's clear you're just shitting up the thread because you have nothing better to do

>>152923948
Only when drinking !Fury.

>>152924508
>I KICK THE DOOR! IT BURSTS OPEN! I DRINK THE YELLOW POTION! I AM POISONED! I SMASH THE CORPSE!

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I am so fucking mad right now holy shit
>I was doing V$, everything was going fine, i got abyssed so i got the rune and got out
>Went around a bit killing whatever came out after me and teleporting away when things looked bad
>At one point end up with an ancient lich, two frost giants and a warden in sight
>Tele away because fuck that
>End up at the stairs
>In THE SAME GODDAMN TURN I LAND I GET HIT BY ANOTHER GIANT, ANOTHER TWO WARDENS AND THIS SHIT
>THIS FUCKING SHIT
>WITH RF++ AND 30/33/10
>WITH PERMANENT RMSL AND A BUCKLER OF REFLECTION
I HAD A HUNDRED AND TWENTY FUCKING HP
GONE INSTANTLY
HOW
And worst of all the game jumped straight to the inventory so i couldn't even screenshot the bullshit

>>152924354

Don't flip when your belief gets destroyed. Minotaurs are nowhere near as strong to Mummies; whether it's plain old fighting (hurr muh exp get tormented like a faggot), or hybrid or just doing anything in general.

>>152924729
>I AM SUGGERING FROM THE POISON!
>I SEARCH THROUGH THE CABINETS!
>THERE IS AN ITEM HERE!

>>152924987

And I forgot to add the most important part, mutation immunity

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>Force more on rot
>Food not on autopickup

>>152926494
Which server?
Fix it yourself btb.

>>152924909
Probably paralyzed by
lich / eyeball, check your MR and morgue file.
Same thing happened to me in Ziggurat.

>>152926494
Pizza and beef jerky aren't autopicked by certain rc file (MarvinPA). Probably because it gives way too little nutrition value >>152924909
Probably paralyzed by
lich / eyeball, check your MR and morgue file.
Same thing happened to me in Ziggurat.

>>152926494
Pizza and beef jerky aren't autopicked by certain rc file (MarvinPA). Probably because it gives way too little nutrition value compared to meat ration / bread ration.

>>152927697
Hi tech post.

>>152927697
you make me laugh anon, i like you

>>152927697
>not picking up the highest nutrition food that can be eaten in a single turn
beware the spell hunger

>>152927697
Checked the file, and this shit just made me angrier
>No paralysis
>The wardens didn't attack
>The giant attacked but did no damage and was damaged by spikes
>BUT THE FUCKING LICH FIREBALLED ME TWICE IN THE SAME TURN
I don't know what to think anymore

>>152927697
Nice. It doesn't say he was paralyzed there. He went around like a retard with bloatbriados and got ass fucked because of it.

>be DsEE of Chei
>move 1 tile
>get rekt by 4 bolts of cold from 2 frost giants
>get destroyed by 6 locked stairs from a single warden
>get rekt by 2 Vault Wardens evoking 4 bardiches of holy wrath
>Lich casts fireball 10(ten) times
>-8/269hp
>Chei takes off his mask and reveals the face of a grinning Xom
>+15 stats and dat Slouch™ amirite lads
>Xom thinks this is hilarious

>>152928424
Isn't that royal jelly though?

>>152928828
Nah. chunks, rations, and royal jellies take three turns.

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>mfw I forgot to wear rElec

>>152929853
rElec would not help you there.
You'd still be under 1/2 HP and in 1-shot range for sure.

Anyone know anything about Quest for the Unicorn? I'm trying to enter the first dungeon (a cave, just north of Radon), but I can't find any torches and searching all the "M" tiles in the northern desert cities, the southern peninsula, and Radon hasn't turned up a single shop with them. I have found a shop with a gem of brightness, but it's almost 20K and I haven't accumulated even $500 in an hour of playing, since I can only fight on the overmap. Google has been no help: you're my only hope, /rlg/.

>damaged knife spear
>disassemble into parts
>reassemble
>now in perfect condition
Magic!

>>152931710

>complaining about a work of fiction not being realistic

hmm... really makes u think... huh

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You know, this would actually be a neat mechanic if you couldn't just hit it with a stick to receive seasons' worth of drinks.

>>152932478
>One time I smashed one and over 400 fruit leathers poured out
Its kind of hilarious, really. They should definitely be made of a reinforced material.

>>152924909
30/33/10 isn't even all that good. A lot of stuff has high damage ranges so you can take 30, 40+ damage just from 1 guy through ac

>>152933762
Crawl's damage variation is just dumb. Late game damage can range from the low single digits to middle double digits. The throw attack that Iron Giants have has a damage range of like 6-83, it's absurd.

It kind of weakens defenses overall, much like torment and damnation.

>>152933872
melee damage is all 1dX

shit like crystal spears or iron giant throws actually have less damage variance than similar-damage melee attacks

>>152898634
would berserk just be a toggle at that point?

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>>152930480
Okay, figured out the torch problem. Now, how do I load a save? I have no idea what the attached image actually means.

>>152933762
30/33/10 is actually rock solid, especially with 269 HP. He probably just did some really dumb stuff. He is kind of known to be a baddie.

>>152934247
your save will be called NAME

run Quest for the Unicorn through the command line and put the NAME of your save after it in the command

>>152898634

Zot:5 has variations wherein both lung entrances both have a permanent tele trap and a zot trap o. Not viable

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Check this Gnoll gangbang, i walked down and noped right back up

Sorry fellas, see you at CL 7

>>152903252

>carpal tunnel
>not even playing a physically intensive game

next you're going to tell me that DOTA """players""" are in most risk of getting CTS

>>152934595
I don't know anon, some carries can be pretty apm-intensive, and a bad ergonomic set-up is much more impactful on causing damage than simply high-apm regardless.

>>152934595
Roguelikes are certainly don't reach starcraft level of button presses but they are certainly high up on the list. Definitely more than something like halo or whatever it is kids these days play

>>152934853
roguelikes are turn based though, you don't need to press buttons quickly if you don't wanna

>>152934595
people get RSIs from office jobs, it's not limited to ultra hardcore gamers you fucking retard

>>152934892
yea but then you'll be shitposted at for spending more than 3 hours on your three rune game

>>152934981

>didn't even see the "not even"

get your eyes checked retard

>>152934247
you have to use the command line to load your save lmao

>>152934485
you should try gnollcrawl

>>152932478
Kind of how it works though. Gonna be honest with you, not like it matters since there's leather for containers and funnels and rags for rope thread everywhere, oodles of water in every toilet, and any mid-sized town virtually guaranteed to have a perma water source even after they fixed the sewage exploit.

>wake up
>still no cute chubby shortstack HaGf of Chei to take it easy with

>>152935783
>halfling
>cute
shit taste desu
spriggan > all

>>152935783
>not HuGl of Ash
>dat compatible anatomy
>dat athletic body
>dat bondage fetish

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>>152936082
Muscular girls are so hot

>>152935783
>wake up
>still no supportive mummy necromancer to teach you the dark arts
>tfw you will never spend all of undeath with a platonic necromantic bro, making the world a better place with necromancy
I guess I'll learn biology instead. Whatever.

>>152905028
I left that shitty uskyaw meme god and got the rune under penance you swine
I don't know who took it easy but I approve of his waya
I'd have actually preferred to go godless

>>152929853
>only taking 93 damage

lucky shitter
his chain lightning can do 200+ if you're near him and don't have rElec

>>152935783
>>152935969
>>152936082
>not Mu
>not shoehorning your knobbly rod into her desiccated, crumbling mound
Get on my level, chumps. It'd be like making love to a bag of snatch jerky -- glorious

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>>152936157
Fuck off back to /b/ with that shit.

>>152936157
>rub the tum
>it's like petting a rock
I'll never understand this muscular girls joke
Girls should be round and soft to touch and cuddle

>>152936572
>not wanting to feel the smooth contours and springy muscle of her toned stomach

Gee, anon. Muscles aren't rock solid unless they're actively being flexed, there'd be a good amount of softness there.

>>152919295
>Dyna
>UNFORTUNATELY EATING ANY OF IT IS FATAL

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>>152936416

>93 damage

Luck is a skill. gitgud

>>152936886
Same shit if you poly into a mindflayer and melee attack one or a Cockatrice.

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This has to be one of my favourite features.

>>152937072
in dyna the vampire player race is smart enough to automatically NOT bite cockatrices
but due to an oversight or something, that doesn't apply for Riders

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This raccoon completely ignored me flailing around with a spear until I somehow managed to skewer it.

Very strange.

>>152937631
seems scummy and nethacky
it ought to be removed

>>152936572
It takes commitment, time management, budgeting, decent diet decisions. It's not even that hard unless they're super cutting or something and they feel like trying to bounce your head like a quarter off her ass. Regular/chubby just has to be a lazy fat fuck shoving disgusting food into their slimy gullets while complaining about any and everything.

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>>152924909

So you're an EE and you're still using teleport in V:$ of all places?

>>152935783
>wake up
>still no HOMo of Chei to take it easy with

>>152931710
>pock up filthy and damaged trench coat from zombie corpse
>cut off sleeves
>trench coat is clean and repaired and fits
also
>carry axe
>can't cut corpse, only wood
and the classic
>craft hoodie with 12 rags
>cut it up for 16 rags

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rate my survivor pls

>>152939465
one of my favorites:
>talk to NPC to make friends in this shitty world
>blows my head off with a shotgun at point blank range

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Yeah I think fire damage/burning needs some reworking.

Fire enemies are 100% lethal if they get the jump on you or you engage them without rFire.

With rFire they're terribly weak, aside from Fire Hound packs, but usually by the time you encounter them (except of course when a monolith summons them) you can handle them or teleport away.

They're also all faster than you for some god-forsaken reason.

>>152939870
>glass jaw
will be oneshot by the first turret he sees/10

>>152939875
>kill giant bee
>butcher its slimy green bug flesh, stick a big lump on a pointy stick and grill it over a fire
>tastes better than SPAM or gatorade
I still don't understand why bug flesh is considered as good as any other meat.

>>152940321
>3% less health, grants 2 trait points
It's a steal. For half those points I can pick Thick Skinned and reduce all bullet damage by -1, so screw turrets.

>>152940795
>3
I thought it was 30%

>>152940868
It is.

>>152940795
headshots do a lot more than 1 damage anon

>>152940868
>>152940964
Glass Jaw reduces the max HP of head by 20%, the head is one body part out six. If each body part had 100 health then you'd have 580 health instead of 600, hence it's pretty much a 3% decrease. Maybe you're thinking of Frail Body? That one is absolutely crippling to all body parts.

>>152919295
Question, does Nethack4 include the recent nethack 3.6 update? I know dyna doesn't because it stopped development a few months ago before the updates came out.

As a dg ninja, do I ever get to use my light slot? Am level 31, still haven't found anything that doesnt give light.

>>152941534
When you find something that gives -light.

>>152941534
use an oil lamp that's out of oil

>>152941534
If you use randarts_only, the artefact lights grant unlight perhaps 25% of the time.

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Which game is this, anon?

>>152942151
Demon.

>>152942151
Demon.

>>152942151
that's the pet menu from nethack 4

>>152942151
Maplestory

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>>152936157
nah dude, high test girls are where it's at. When you catch a girl at the perfect age with the perfect body type, they're like a perfectly ripe peach: soft, round, smooth skinned, plump, blushed, and fucking delicious. I want to penetrate that and put a baby in it then watch the belly swell

>tfw no DDGf of Elyvilon to impregnate with my son

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>>152942727
Those kind of girls are great too. I just really like the fit girl aesthetic and the bedroom play has gotta be super kinky.

I respect your taste though. Have a sculpture.

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Ahhh, that's enough IA for tonight.

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Aw, shit.

>>152943846
>trying to worship shithumet
maximal fault

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>>152943969

Remember how the devs try their very best to buff Sif and nerf Vehumet and still fail miserably? Sif is still bloat!

>>152944443
Newsif is several dozen times better than Vehumet in its current state.

All that Deep Elf int and you're still no wiser than a MiBe.

>>152944809
It shouldn't come as a surprise that Donald is a shitter who complains about everything.

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>>152944809

>his mana [[regen]] costs piety

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>>152937817
I fucking love your art, anon. The faces are so endearing.

>>152937817
>those hips

>>152928527
>>152928694
>cheishitters
>then complaining about bullshit and losing 70+ hp in one turn
Le helion island auto explore.jpg xdd

>>152948452
Its more like that anon is a fucking shitter.

>>152948508
Thats what im implying and saying, anon

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muhah

im not going to die to catoblepas this time

>>152949469
>ejj imiau
Speak english, ya god damned gook.

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>>152949707
Hello?

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http://pastebin.com/r20LcSL8

ez

>>152950048
It's nice to see that at least one of you shitters can 15 rune in less than 100k turns.

>>152950153
Pan random is bad, mkay?
I wish devs do something about it, like they did with Abyss.

>>152948452
You don't even know. Try being a statueformed Chei Naga, then losing over 300 HP in one turn to a double shatter

How do I play the DCSS circus animals fork offline, Ive never compiled anything before. Is there really no exe version out there to download?

>>152950208
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>152950203
Well they did do "something".
Killing randlords increases the chance of rune floors generating.
Still haven't decided to suck it up and cap the floors instead of being retarded about it though.

>>152950292
Yeah? I didn't felt that last time I was in Pan.

Even though I died had to clear everything for exp.

Still 15-20 floors before first Panlord rune.

>>152950256
There isn't.
I'm assuming you're on windows.
Compiling crawl is really easy if you can read instructions and you have a little bit of patience. I recommend using msys2, since it's the easiest to set up and the least finicky. Pacman is also very intuitive and not-shit (unlike cygwin's package installer).
https://github.com/jeremygurr/dcssca/blob/master/crawl-ref/INSTALL.txt

>>152950153

Can't help it, I was having fun with my 3 level 9 spells in Pan. I could actually go way faster if I just took the time fix my early game bad habits and my init setting.

>>152950419
I put "something" in quotes because in reality they didn't fix shit.

>>152937976
Kinda hard to cast something when you didn't find it

>>152950465
Got it, thanks.

>>152950590
Oh

Is Sif Muna's MP regen abilty based on max MP? I've checked the learndb and it only says that duration is affected by invo skill, but doesn't say how much MP is regenerated and if it's based on max MP or is a fixed amount.

>>152951000
3-5 per turn.

>pop sif regen
>wear maxell's etheric cage or whatever the fuck
>amulet of mana regen
>max mana regen mutation
>rub wucad mu staff
HNNNNGGGG

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>>152952230
>all of this
>6 mana per turn
>mfw

>>152951000


It recovers 25-60+ mana in one use at 20 Invo
You get 3-6 per turn.
It takes 18 times to reduce from full 6* piety to 5*
It takes ~22 times to reduce from 5* piety to 3* piety (regen still usable)

>>152952230
Is wucad mu the most reliable non-god channeling?

>>152952367
You'd get a lot more than that.

>>152952502

>40(forty) times of straight channeling 1000-2400 mana
>still has 3* piety
>they call this balanced

nice game dcssbabbies

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im this guy >>152950718

I'm trying to compile circus animals and im a bit lost and stupid. Getting this error when I try the last step of actually making it

Someone post the kiku anon comic, i always laugh when i see it

>>152952619
Well sublimation of blood is probably the most reliable source of non-god channeling, and has the potential to give you huge MP instantly at high spellpower, at the cost of HP of course. The only non-god channeling that doesn't hurt you in a significant way is a staff of channeling (energy now? lmao) which is actually quite unreliable until you have huge evo, with small MP gain.

As for Wucad Mu, it's really good because you can use it at 0 MP and it regenerates a ton of MP when successful. It's not really "reliable" since you won't always get MP back and requires a lot of evo AND can confuse you/stat drain you/or just take away some of your mana, but it definitely is the best non-divine channeling source since it won't kill you outright like sublimation of blood will. They removed sustain abilities didn't they? They also removed clarity. So actually it's probably pretty shitty now, but still has less potential to fuck you over than a crystal ball.

>>152950465
>msys2, since it's the easiest to set up and the least finicky.
This just isn't true at all.

The msys2 developers clearly have a habit of adding shit to their releases and calling it "done" if there exists some possible undocumented combination of settings or parameters that can be passed that make it run, regardless of what their defaults are.

>>152953094
install DejaVuSans.ttf font, via contribs

Is there anything in DCSS that gives you %MaxMP back?

>>152953370
If your serious, how do I do that? google isnt helping much. I just manually downloaded that font and installed it normally but Im still getting the error

how do I tab without moving?

>>152953739
Shift tab or ctrl tab attacks the closest enemy, not sure what happens if no enemy is in range
Either way just use ctrl direction to attack in that direction without moving

>>152953583
Nah I don't know. It looks like it's looking for files or libraries or executables named advpng and pngcrush in various directories on your $PATH or whatever, but can't find them. You might have to install those I guess. Also you don't have a util/release_ver directory inside the directory in which you're trying to compile. It says to look at INSTALL.txt, so do that too.

>>152953784
>>152953739
ctrl-direction is almost perfect. Do be careful because it automatically uses throwing weapons when no enemy is in range, which can be a bad thing if you have throwing nets quivered.

>>152954105
Ctrl direction doesnt use quivered items

My 666th online game is coming up.
What is the most edgelord, xXweedsniperXx Shadow the Hedgehog OC you can play in crawl?

>>152954168
Shit, I meant shift-tab.

>>152954183
VpAs of Dith

thanks to chrome hotkeys, i cant use ctrl-tab nor shift-tab.

fucking a

>>152954698
I use an ssh extension on my chromebook and I can use everything except ctrl-n. I think you're boned for playing tiles, though.

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>>152954183

DECk of Nemelex. Yes, you read it right.

>>152954183
FeCK. All runes.

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Octopode Monk of Kiku, for maximum NECROMANCY and pain-branded unarmed, yay or nay?

>>152955556
I'm going to go ahead and pretend you got the quints.

>>152955556

>off by one
>2 times in a row

Fucking stars aren't aligned properly tonight

>>152956275
Theres no dubs on vg other than 0's

>>152934341
Thanks!