Tree of Savior General - /tosg/

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Who did this?

>>152700971
>brandish

Sorry I wasn't around when you were Platinum, I was cooking dinner! Please send me another whisper some other time you're on and I'll send you an invite as soon as I can.

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>>152700971

>>152701089
>Gaycat namedropping his own future members

wew

>>152701058
It's a Zega

How awful is 2 Archer 3 Hunter 3 Falconeer?

>>152700971
the rat looks suspicious

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/Bullies/ when?

Hey guys for a inquisitor sta build, is it find a 2:1 dex str ratio? Ill also invest in some con (around 50) How does it look?

>>152701335
Do you even need STR to do physical damage post r8? The damage icnrease thrugh STR is so tiny. Just put your stats into SPR/INT depending on your build.

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>>152700716
>>152700835
I get that we already have the costumes and that led to fairly good predictions for R8, but that'd still be sort of disappointing
Another rapier class and wrestling moves for everyone else?

>>152700776
If it didn't overlap with dragoon a proper pikeman would be neat, a la the swiss guard

>>152701309
Go sleep

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>>152700971
>shield
>spear
>highlander3

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Futureproof is recruiting new members. We're a PvP and GvG oriented guild, exclusively for /tosg/ members. We've been around since the Korean Open Beta, and have a lot of experience with PvP on this game. Whisper Lolipan in-game if you'd like to join or know more.

>>152698957

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>>152701309
Now nerd!

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but that's forbidden!

>>152701156
I figured it polite to give him a heads up where he may see it!

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>>152701618
Oh well my Fencer just wait for class who can burst evasion & damage in same time. I suppose then everyone who pick peltasta gonna mad because this class gonna be useless for Fencers.

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>>152701309

>>152701950
I've started seeing a lot of Armor maintenance squires around. What gives? It's not worth it at all.

What skills should I priorities as rodelero?

>>152702052
Can you translate that into English please?

>>152701950
It's okay if you are a hunter

>>152702308
Max Targe Smash, Shield Bash, and Shooting Star. 1 point into everything else, because nothing scales well. Save the leftover points for when they decide to add scaling to skills.

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Ayy thanks for the free scrolls, imc.

>>152702052
>I suppose then everyone who pick peltasta gonna mad because this class gonna be useless for Fencers
>Taunt
>useless
>ever

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>>152702490
Put your leftover points into shield shoving already you stupid cunt

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>switch comp to finish quest
>still stuck because client keep crashing
>hmmm.jpg
>remembered what some anon said a few threads back
>keep my pet away
>boss appears properly
>mfw

Seriously Kim what is this shit

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Wow, the 260+ translations are not good. Like, even by ToS standards.

>>152703083
Thats becasue previous translations were done by fans not IMC

>>152702996
Between Targe Smash, Shield Bash, and Shooting Star, the strike debuffs end before I could get a Shield Shoving in. Besides, it pushes back and it's awful for damage. I rather use it for the debuff only, and save the 8 leftovers. You gotta be Futureproof.

>>152703083
Kalejimas has the best translations.

>Rightey Ho!

>>152702996
Shield Shoving is for countering r7x with low damage + CC, you nigger

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Hows your farming going?

>>152703360
>Amma gonna disable dat magic circle yo

>>152703523
FUTURECOCKS HAVE NO FARMS

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God dammit, IMC making me have to kill another cute girl instead of letting me turn her into a familiar sex slave.

First succubus, and now nebulas. Does IMC hate women??

Is there any merit to Sorc 3 enchanter? On the one hand since the summon drains max SP and enchant armor has a lot of synergy with Oracle's arcane energy ability you'll be indirectly limiting your ability to summon in guild battles if you make that kind of comp. On the other hand Enchanter's ability to boost your max level would allow you to summon a higher level summon, wouldn't it?

Something like Wiz-Pyro-Linker 2-Sorc 3-Enchanter.

>>152703318
Go faster. Reset your skills later if it matters, if something else suddenly becomes worth taking your 8 leftover points aren't going to be enough regardless
>>152703429
Montano

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>>152703652
Yes.

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What am I doing. Why am I doing this?

>>152703523

Gee bill! How come your guild leader let you raise TWO guinea pigs?

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>>152702382

Hunters are probably the most sexually satisfied.

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>>152703764
You want to play this game cause its kinda fun but you know there is nothing but pain.

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>>152703764
>HoneyBingo is back

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Ohayou!

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Post dead game!

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>>152704147
OHAYOU

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>>152703652

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Rip Zanas, you had a hard life.

>>152704718

Holy shit that's fucking metal

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Reminder that R10 archer will be cossack!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p0BC2adW5M

What's the best inquisitor build?
Preferably something involving diev 3 for ausrine memes.

>>152704907
>diev3
Not if you want the monk strike debuff. And you do.

>>152701618
Matador will be hidden class requiring Fencer3. Luchador will beh idden class requiring Barbarian3. Screencap that.

>>152704907
Cleric C2 -> Diev C3 -> Oracle -> Kabbalist -> Inquisitor

The stacked INT helps both for PvE with Breaking Wheel base damage and boosting Malleus Maleficarum in PvP for one hit kills

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>>152703764

To join Database

>>152705129
They aren't. Screencap this.

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>People still thing Matador and Luchador are real
>People even believed in Macumbeiro

>>152705129
R9 swordsman will be Centurion and Matador.
Luchador will be a hidden class.

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How do you guys think R9 will save elememelock?
Let's hear your headcanons.

I imagine they'll get an attribute for Pillar of Agony that pull enemies to it and some aoe skill similar to frost cloud but dark type and much stronger.

>>152706005
>dead end for Doppels

What are wait times on missions/dungeons like these days?

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>>152706265
>The only way to save Niggapyros is to give them bullshit pull AoEs that can't be evaded and an upgraded version of FrostCloud, the most uncreative skill ever

Feels good to be a Swordsman.

>>152706335
How is it a dead end with Centurion available? There are no weapon restrictions for Centurion skills. Doppel C3 with Wedge Formation is scary.

>>152706439
Because Swordmans have the most creative skills ever.

>Hit things with weapon
>Hit things with weapon sightly different
>Hit things with weapon twice
>Attack buff
>Another attack buff
>Another motherfucking attack buff that you won't be able to use because it will overwrite another attack buff

>>152706265
c3 will make a damballa-like but rooting spell out of spirits and give warlock a "spirit medium" channeling or stance-like spell that will be based on CON

>>152705270
that's a fucking shit build when inquisitor needs dex for scaling

>>152707068
Untrue.
Swordsmen have the "stop hitting yourself" spells

>>152706635
>implying people will want to become your bots
>implying locking cleric or other classes in your formation will be better than letting them use their skills
Centurion will be templar class tier.
Do formations even work with skills? Will you be able to force 5str wizards to Zucken or make pentacyclone?

>>152706265
each black spirit explodes for shit lot of aoe dmg. one hit.
and after that each leaves a dark frost could behind. 30 hits each. fuckton of dmg.

>>152707471
You're free to do your own shit while in formation, mate. Only movement is controlled by the Centurion.

>>152707587
What's the point then? Better botting?

>yellow mob
>leave it at low hp
>DPE
>Cartar Stroke
>7 recipes (meh) and one mil
Goddamn, I love this skill. All I need is 1 hit

>>152707845
Do you have to kill monster with full Catar or it has to be first of its 4 hits?

>>152707818
formations are basically buffs that give passive effects, if I remember well

>>152707276
It's ok that the wheel can crit, but let's not take it too far half-info poster.

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I know it's a bit slow, but someone wanted a lv 15 cartar stroke cast time webm a while back, so here you go. Once I get doppel and deeds 10 I'll give it another try.

>>152706265
Warlock being good won't save elementalist3, because wiz3link3warlock3 will be superior to wiz3ele3warlock3.

To save elementalist3 builds you'll have to make Frost Cloud scale better, or buff the other spells at least.

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>>152704907
Cleric2/Diev3/Oracle/Pd/Inquisitor

>heal
>totem for zoning
>100% anti cc uptime with prophecy/bloodletting
>counterspell
>healing factor

You can sit on the frontline all day and punch heretic in the face with your ridiculously high base damage skill

>>152706265
>elememe will be saved by warlock3 being great
So why not just go wiz3link3 instead?

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>>152708215
>redhead Koenig
I don't know how to feel about this.

>>152708021
Any hit. Unlike Concentrate, each hit regardless if you're using skills or not will consume a charge, so you can't just have a low level DPE and Cyclone to kill the mob. Mine is lvl 1 and the mob was Plate.

>>152708215
Probably over 20k crits, I'm doing 16k with my low enhance lvl 5 cartar

>>152704907
dex based monk

>Mission run
>4 people are at a minimum of a 10 level disadvantage
>3 people leave

Fuck this gay earth.

https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/2-players-using-obviously-exploited-gear/321470/105
We did it /b/ros!

>wiz3linker3 is the only good aoe dps wizard build now
lol nice balance tostards

>>152709843
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA EXPLOITKEKS BTFO

>>152709852
>FC is a R6 skill and not meant to be stronk at R8
>four R3 skills are best R8 wiz build

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>>152709843
>that one faggot defending them
every fucking time

>>152710262
quality IMC balancing :^)

If I play 2 sapper 2 hunter I can just use retrieve and have an enemy run into my traps, right?

>>152710446
Yeah. But you could fulldraw enemies into them.
Hunter dragging ability is made for bigger things. Like Frost Clouds.

>>152701091
best post

>>152709843
>Awoo
Literally who? Who is this autist? How does he know the got banned?

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>>152701928
are you going to keep stealing the TP boxes from your guild? you ungrateful swine of a whore

>>152706265
Shadowmancer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-30aT0U9Yw
Shadowmancer will boost dark elemental skills by 50% and also be strong enough to replace ele and everything else.

Mimic will let them cast meteor over and over with no cool down though a miming skill.

>>152708285
>They need to buff Frost Cloud

I never thought I would live to see the day someone posts something like this

>>152707201
>>152707575
>>152711130
>how do we save elementalist
>by betting warlock will be good
So we all agree that link3 is superior to ele3 in every way now?

>>152708285
They just need to buff rain to 25% movement slow down for pve and give it 200% or more scaling when using electrocute with rain active.
They don't need to buff frost cloud, just make the other skills worth using

>>152711497
If you still using that smelly cafrisun at lv220+ you deserves it

>>152711752
>he doesn't have +50 cafrisun set
heh

>>152711583
>>how do we save elementalist
That's not what he said.
>>152706265
>How do you guys think R9 will save elememelock?
He mentioned the ele into war combo.

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>>152711497
Im having PTSD

>>152711680
Yeah they need to buff shitty rain to boost shitty electrocute every 2 minutes, that'll really save elememes.

Since elementalist is a full dps class the only solution is to make their spells as strong as r8 spells but that will never happen. It's literally a dead end class like sorcerer and pyromancer now.

Any rodel murmillo videos?

I'm afraid that the best murm build will be catar stroke, skull swing + rodelero

>>152711885
That's like saying you can "save" any rainbow build just by picking a strong r7/8.

>>152712009
>cartar
The main selling point is 4 hits which is a 4x multiplier, and huge hitbox. Pelt skills with helmet have 5x multiplier, so you only miss out on really big hitbox.

>skull swing
Shield Thrust is the same thing, only split into 2 overheat.

>>152711497
Feel when I broke down and bought the friendly Samaritan's aspersion and took 1s with a shield.

>Feel when I came back later, forgot about before and took 1ks without a shield.

>>152711497
they are easy

but
>탈라 궁수
gives me PTSD

>>152706265
Buff/attribute that increase all elemental damage and turn it into dark property.

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>>152712095
>be a rainbow archer build
>pick r7 cannoneer
>get decent equipment
>1-shot people in pvp

>>152712095
You can because anything below r7 won't matter at R9. Not ele or any other setup.

>>152712095

clerics sorta can as long as they picked cleric c2

https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#4113b98f.1a2a33415561.13233445.152535.253545.21314155617195.153545

>>152712448
All you needed was scout1 anyway.
>balance

>>152712009
Why wouldn't you take either pelt3rodel3murm or plet2rodel3nobimurm?
Those are builds built to transition to murm and they look very strong

>>152712535
How would you save wiz2cryo1thaum1chrono1alch1?

>>152712321

cartar deals 4 hits of 150%, stronger than shooting star

>>152712321
>Pelt skills with helmet have 5x multiplier, s
This is wrong

>>152712764
4*1.5*2=1200% total. C1 Pelt gives you more total value.

>>152712856
Well prove me wrong.

>>152712939

I'm thinking of takin both.

hl 1 pelt c1 rod 3 corsair 1 murm

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>>152700971
It was me all allong, haha!

You guys know that even if Frost Cloud isn't enough to kill everything under the sun by itself anymore it'll still be a lot of safe, supplementary damage that can tick while you pump out your other skills, right?

And that unlike linker it will also be useful in single target situations and scale with your gear strength harder.

>>152712939
Only some pelt skills get that modifier

>Enhance Peltasta Attack (Max Lv: 10)
- Increases damage of [Rim Blow] [Umbo Blow] [Shield Lob] [Umbo Thrust] by 40% per level when wearing the helmet

https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/r8-swordsman-skills-translation/321914

>>152713640
Yeah cake boy, that's everything pelt has excpet Butterfly and Langort, which get a 25% per level attribute instead.

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MOM

BUFFIES

NEED

NOW

>>152713452
>it'll still be a lot of safe, supplementary damage that can tick while you pump out your other skills
The problem is that as of r8 it's still your main source of damage. I swear you elememe apologists don't even fucking play one yourselves and are just pathetically whiteknighting so this game doesn't get even deadder.

>>152712747
That's only 6 ranks. Just take wiz 3 at 7 and you're good for whatever at 8 and 9. That's also a pretty defensive CC build. You could sleep/freeze/slow/stop things, dig up a bunch of stuff and then quickcast-combust everything. Theoretically.

You could just go sage, or to alch 2 for more combustion and higher level block/magic amp potions and attack boosters to help your damage and defense too.

>>152713387
Why would you take hop1? It really doesn't have any synergy with a murm build because murms are locked into swords only

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can you still push vendors with cryo skills?
i got a bone to pick with someone special and im willing to run a VM and make a cryo just to accomplish what must be done.

>>152713994
Tell me what's good then. Ending r7 with wiz3, what do you take at r8 to be competitive?

>unironically suggestion combustion build
>at r8
>wiz3sage meaning shit
Holy fuck play the game.

post some THICC saviors

>>152713963
Anon, uhh how to tell you this...
You see, mommy is on a vacation. She won't be giving buffies for a while, you'll have to use buffies of other people for now. You're a big girl, I'm sure you can do it, okay?

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>>152714273

>>152713640
>>152712939
Umbo/Rim Blow also get the 300%+ bonus damage from High Guard.
High Guard only reduces attack by 15% now, so it's quite usable.

>>152713994
and take 5 minutes per quest mob

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>>152711962
>literally only have an elememe, a sorcerer and a pyrolinker
>see r8
>mfw

>>152714586
shame it still dumpsters your crit

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>>152714831
It's -10 flat crit rate at 1 and you don't really have any reason to increase it further.

>>152713970
No I actually just want elememers to fuck off about not being the best AoE dps in the game with a single spell, you guys are getting cooldown reduction on theurge via a skill, a DoT attribute for mastema, and better spirits as well as upgrades to your old skills, but you guys are unhappy because they didn't make a brand new r8 class just to be another aoe dps when multiple already exist.

>>152713832
I got you wrong, thought you meant both atts were multiplicative, the one for shields and the one for the multi hits.

>>152714887
you need level 6 in high guard for the attribute m9

>>152714972
You need level 6 Umbo Blow/Rim Blow for the attribute. High Guard can stay at 1.

>>152714896
There's a difference between not being the best and being powercreeped worthless trash. Must be easy looking down on others when swordsmen, archers and clerics all have meta meme builds while wizards are literally now full support or wiz3link3. Keep defending this shit ass balance you fucking cuck, hope you enjoy your 2k players when r8 hits itos.

>>152711161
I would have never thought it too.
That should tell us how retarded the powercreep is.

>>152715145
at least 3 archetypes are now viable
and elememe is viable as support, and a second rate citizen as aoe damage, while swordsman was completly uslesses for over a year and archer and cleric were nothingbut a single target whores

literally

>>152711962
Getting INT scaling like Cure or Zaibas might save FC though.

>>152715145
>There's a difference between not being the best and being powercreeped worthless trash

Yeah, and you guys are just going to be "not the best" now. You're still getting stronger abilities and spells but now you can't auto kill any AI in one 30 second CD.

>>152714184
>unironically suggestion combustion build
How can you unironically reply to a post about an ironic poor build? Is that post an actual unironic build? Am I replying unironically to an unironic question that's unironically challenging an unironic response to an unironic build that was unironically questioning an unironic comment that was unironically agreeing with the unironically disdainful response to unironic facts?

>what do you take at r8 to be competitive
Competitive in what? It's already a pretty good CC support build. r8 is whatever. Sage will probably be really powerful at r9.

Otherwise what? If ele-war isn't good, war 2 isn't good alone, FF2, isn't good, sage isn't good and enchanter isn't good, what is a good build? Not that bullshit about links. Might as well make a FF 3 with that.

>>152714784
>and take 5 minutes per quest mob
Yes, and? This isn't a race.

>>152715548
Fuck me cure and zaibas hit hard with r8 clerics

>>152714896
>i dont want balance or anything fair. but the ppl i hate to suffer

>>152715485
>elememe is viable as support
>swordsman was completly uslesses for over a year
Do you even play this game?
>archers were only the best at single target lol who cares, but wizards used to being the best at aoe is BAD BAD BAD
>also clerics having futureproof heals/support/utility with elememe damage at r8 is as good balancing as turning dps wizards into garbage
Yeah stop posting.

can cryo's still troll vendors with ice push?

>>152714972
>>152715050
High Guard is the ultimate "play the game" filter.

>>152715750
Anyone thinking Frost cloud needs to be functionally the same at r8 content as it is now is the one that doesn't care about balance, not me. Frost cloud is blatantly broken and almost all ET strategies that didn't revolve around it were Melstis shenanigans that were removed.

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>dislike the game and its creators on some primal level but I have so much fun with my new friends it doesn't matter

>>152715640
Any non-wiz3link3 dps wizard build is literally the overall worst dps in the game now. Clerics+archers clear mobs better than wizards and swordsmen are better at single target. There is literally zero point to having a dps wizard as of r8, because dps wizard means wiz3ele3warlock, which brings nothing to the table but damage, which is worse than everyone else's.

The one single dps wizard build which sacrificed any sort of utility for aoe damage now can't compete in aoe damage. This is literally reroll tier.

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>>152715750
>I can't kill everything forever by pressing one button anymore so the game is unbalanced and unfair

>>152715750
>only whines about muh balance when his memebuild isn't king anymore
>meanwhile it's full of actual classes that are straight up fucking awful

kys urself

>>152716032
>>152716165
Elememe is literally frost cloud - the build. They do fuck all except frost cloud, and invested 5 whole circles just for this one single button to save their build. You talk as if elememes can do anything other than frost cloud, and that somehow their other spells are super good too but elememes are just so OP that they only need one of their dozens of OP spells or some shit. Shit frost cloud = 5 circles wasted and you should've just rolled link3 to boost your r7/8.

Play the game or shut the fuck up, dumb shits.

>>152715756
you stop posting doomposter, you can't handle not being the top dog you should have known rolling fotm ends up you know, after the fucking month

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>>152715050

>>152716447
This and
It is/was the only good Wiz DPS build.
R8 wiz are trash

>>152716486
>stating facts is doomposting

>>152716486
>you should've known IMC would powercreep the fuck out of everything with r8
Damn I forgot to ask my dad who works at IMC...my bad....

>>152716528
See >>152715905

>>152716486
>you can't handle not being the top dog
but being useless shit instead is fine and we should happily accept that, right?

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>>152716139
>Having friends

>>152716585
>let me pick the most overpowered build available
>shits his pants when he is no longer the most overpowered build in the game when new content arrives

welcome to mmos, enjoy your stay

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Help me, /vg/.
QS3 or Ranger3 for a SR build? (I have kinda high ping)

>>152716705
>everyone has pelt 2s

>>152716803
Ranger3

Qs3 is absolute garbage with high ping. Not to mention running shot doesn't really work with the new limacon

>>152716754
>one specific autist wizard build does 100 aoe damage while everyone else does 60~80, though 1-2 archer builds can do 120 single target damage
>r8 comes out
>wizards still can only do 100 aoe damage while everyone else gets shiny new 300 damage aoe and single target skills
>you should have seen this coming
t. whiteknight

>>152716819
Then don't state your shitty ideas as facts and don't try to argue against someone that actually play the class and is trying to correct you.

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>>152716139
>played for 2000 hours but never did quests together with anyone

>>152716803
>aoe dps class
>let's pick a class focused on low single target dps instead of one that boosts your best spell by 20%
What do you think?

Not to mention the new Limacon makes Running meme absolutely redundant for a SR.

>>152714105

hl = highlander

>>152716931
You're pulling numbers out of your ass, in a game with like 60 classes, you're complaining about the top dog not being top dog, when there's shit as useless as sadhu, or low tier crap like cata, dead end builds like sorc etc.

Fucking deal with it, there were like dozens of subpar builds before and people still played them for different reasons, if you rolled elememe to clear the current content, guess what you can still clear the current content, new content comes out and you can't deal with the new content boo fucking hoo, guess what like the other 40 shit classes that couldn't clear the previous content can't deal with the new content either, only the meme builds are viable, only that there's more meme builds now and before there was only one real aoe meme build king of everything.

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>>152716983
From now on only quest with friends

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>>152716906
>>152717117
Thanks, guys!

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>>152716528
I already maxed mine, but it'd say "Umbo/Rim Blow Lv6 required" on those attributes.

>>152717297
Everyone knows sadhu is shit though, so nobody cares because nobody invested time in them to be upset. Meanwhile elememe was supposed to be good after a lengthy investment, and has now turned to trash. It's not that every other class gained more damage, but to top it all off all the monsters gained a shit ton of hp to scale with that damage. Now this is a problem because it's not a problem of 'muh dps epeen', it's literally 'holy fuck it's taking me 2 minutes to kill a single mob as a pure dps build'. It's like every elememe was tricked into investing hundreds of hours into their character for them to turn indo sadhus on IMC's whim. If you think your moronic whiteknighting cuckoldry is going to do anything to convince all these people to keep playing after such a bullshit switcharoo then seek help.

>>152717297
>low tier crap like cata
Do we play the same game even.

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>Tree of Savior lead artist
Umm tostards?

>>152717297
Literally every dps wizard build is shit now.
Every single one that doesn't rely on link OP damage sharing.

>>152716934
>attributes are named: "High guard: x Speciality"
>database has them on high guard
>"you should believe this anonymous poster on this Laotian cave panting site even if he has no proofs"

>>152717446
Thanks.

>>152717870
I fucking bet the guy is some meme futureproof cleric, all his posts reek of someone who doesn't know shit because all he has to do is press heal in dungeons and will always fly by all content easily.

>>152717926
>implying you wouldn't

>>152717975
You could've cross-referenced this with other sites.
http://www.tosbase.com/database/skills/10106/

>>152717931
welcome to swordsman life before R8, hope your brought tissues

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>>152718091
Wouldn't what?

>>152716447
They should give it int scaling and half the duration and then make the other skills better

>>152718423
You know what I mean

>>152718401
All swordsmen needed before r7 was pelt1 and to turn on aggro increase when there were ranged dps in the party, and they could be easily carried to end game to now reap the rewards of best dps at r8. Meanwhile all dps wizards can/could do is dps, which is now so shit nobody's going to want them for anything at all.

How many people are rolling Murmillo? I might make one.

>>152718442
>half the duration
>literally a half damage nerf will save elememe
uhmm

Also int scaling means shit when we have transcendance now, not to mention your pitiful several hundred int doesn't mean much against 250k hp mobs.

Opinions?
https://tos-kr.neet.tv/skill-planner#1133aaa8c.1123354551.1a273a415161.3f5191.152535.1121354375

>>152718571
with the servers having like 300 active players, 100 of those being bots, and only maybe 15% of the remaining playerbase actually having high levels, I think people will still take elememes just because there won't be anything else available

>>152718904
>corsair at r7
why

just go shinobi

>>152718571
What about the swordsman that didn't have those, the "dps" ones, how many have cleared ET? How many are rank 10 or above? Wizards are still valuable for their support skills, swordsman had nothing but swashbuckling, which isn't even that necessary if the party has classes like Linker.

>>152718594
if i get free time i might roll an extra character and make it murm

>>152718953
I like the costume and hook is very good in PvP.

>>152718950
There won't even be any elememes to take when they're stuck killing 1 mob every 2 minutes while everyone else has breezed by all the content and are 20 levels ahead.

>>152719005
They're getting rewarded at r8 so it means nothing. Not to mention pelt1 can be taken at r2 and you only need 1 fucking circle to have complete functionality.
> Wizards are still valuable for their support skills
Yeah support wizards, not dps wizards. Every dps wizard needed to invest 5+ circles to do damage which is now shit. They won't be saved unless they bench their characters until r9 hoping that saves them.
>swordsman had nothing but swashbuckling
https://tos.neet.tv/attributes/101020 this shit is incredibly useful to support dps wizards/archers, and everyone gets it. So they do actually have use in parties even without swashbuckling. Play the game.

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>>152719425
>while everyone else has breezed by all the content and are 20 levels ahead.

>>152718953
if you dont get corsair you're useless in pvp

>>152717768
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bXOVhXw19N8
Sadhu a shit, granted they aren't great but possession does good damage especially if boosted like in the vid

>>152719519
>max attributed funded elemadara kills mobs as fast as an average r8 cleric
>the average elememe won't be moving through pve at a snail's pace compared to everyone else
okay

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Who would go out of their way to hurt these innocent monks?

>>152718594
I really like the look of murm but I don't think I could endure going through ranks 1-6 again and if I were too I'd have to toss a coin between dragoon and murm because spears and shields both make me hard

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>>152717926
Unhealthy obsession with fancy hats.

>>152719765
>>152701091

If I was going to be afk for a few hours, is it worth it to leech a low level at bees? What exp would I be getting?

>>152717926
>literally cake

>>152719716
>he doesn't have friends
Laughingkoreanpenises.hehehehe

>>152719425
>provoke
>mattering that much when you can have aoe cc
The only time it's actually useful is vs bosses, everything else drops too quickly on your average grind party

>>152719991
>elememe is good because you can get friends to carry you through all content
Considering the game is dying and will likely die even harder a few weeks after r8 it'll be hard to even make friends, or have friends who haven't quit.

>>152719897
A level or two probably, depending on level. Usually worth it as it'll let you either save cards or skip quests

>>152719716
your fault for playing a meme class

>>152720129
What aoe cc does an elememe have?

No seriously, why do you IMC balance apologists always speak of wizards like you can cram wiz3ele3link3cryo3chrono3kino3 into a single build? Support wizards are just fine for r8. Dps wizards got BTFO. Also it's at least useful to prevent a few mobs from instantly swarming the elememe when he drops his meme cloud if you don't have swashbuckling.

>>152719716
i didnt mean that, nigga

other classes that are not high dps geard/build will get fucked over by everything too

>>152711497
What if they made one a Demonlord tier boss?

>>152720271
Yeah IMC balanced things perfectly, it was just my own fault for getting myself into such a shit build I really should've seen the future and planned according to IMC's perfect balancing, as if that even fucking makes sense.

>>152720383
Of course they will. But I'm not them so why would I complain on their behalf? Dumbass.

There's a lot of elememe tears and that's just too much salt for my diet. If you're crying about how you got BTFO in r8 then go reroll or cry on the forums, they have enough cancer that maybe if you add yours it will become super cancer and TOS will finally die and we can all move on with our lives.
You do have a life, right anons?

>>152719661
now even Sadhu does elememe tier damage

wizards on suicide watch

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>>152711497

>>152701217
Cookie cutter beastmaster build. Great for soloing.

>>152720360
Where did I say you could be rank12? The whole point is that I'm talking about a bloody party, the swordsman isn't bringing out much more than another support/dps would, if not for the exp bonus.

>implying you die in grinding parties
>implying that even if you did, the possiblity of having a priest is low

>>152720785
My thoughts as well. That sadhu's damage was almost identical to that elememe failed shill video posted here yesterday. And of course they get free heals and whatever other utility clerics provide.

No, serious, how much damage we are specting from those peltasta c1 skills?

because on my book, 500% of nothing is still nothing

>>152720832
I'm so happy I took Druid so I can transform into that

>every single wizard dps build is kill at r8
>people are defending that
Really now?
Just rename Wizard's tree Support.

>>152720939
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v-7vHte5IlI
Here we see a murmnobi, using predominately strike skills on a leather boss.

>>152720939
Let's take an Umbo Blow. It has low damage so you'll need a good sword.
If you block something beforehand, it'll deal double damage.
With helmet on, it'll deal 5x damage.
Two overheat.
And enhance attribute to taste, cheap to upgrade as it's only R2, definitely can get it to 70% or something.

>>152720876
Without pelt1 the swordsman's job is to turn on provoke and gather mobs because swordsmen have a higher hp multiplier and also get bonus physical defense compared to every other class. If you actually played the game you'll understand how much easier this makes things than having the elememe gather mobs himself.

>>152711497
Are you baiting for webms again?

what class is best class again?

>>152721236
Swordsman

>>152721156
It's like I'm really on the official forums or something. Idiotic whiteknight apologists everywhere defending this garbage powercreep balance. Also some swordshitters who are just gloating without even understanding that killing one of the most popular builds and making everyone quit will be bad for the game and themselves as well.

>>152721236
Swordsman

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uhmmmmm

>>152721409
Stare them in the eye and finish

So now that r8 is all that matters, what's the most futureproof cleric to build towards r8?

so I can go full CON druid 3 and still do decent damage and be loved in groups thanks to transcendence?

what would be a great build?

cleric3>sadhu2>druid3?
or
cleric2>krivis3>druid3?

I don't want diev in my build

>>152721236
Dragoon2 with pelt1 can do everything except heal. Any cleric2 with an r6/7/8 class can do everything except out-damage swordsmen.

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>>152721581
Miko

>>152721183
I forgot High Guard attribute too. It's 3.3x if my memory serves right.

>>152720939
I could see reaching 100k non crit per umbo blow being a thing with pelt3 as long as you manage to stagger with a block.

>>152721187
>what is joint penalty
>what is frost pillar
>implying you can't just jump and AA them as a wizard
In some maps, just getting close to the mobs is enough to get their aggro.

>>152721236
>>152721338
>>152721362
>>152721613
sorry, fun*
now seriously, is more fun a centurion or a sapper?

>>152721585
Why no diev? A diev build would fit best with a full con build because statues don't rely on anything except owls

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>>152721910
>centurion

>>152721236
Cleric is the only answer

>>152721893
i know i explain myself poorly

>>152721910
Sapper because you can actually play the game as one

>>152721893
Those skills aren't map-wide you dingus. You still need someone to gather a mob to effectively use those spells.
>tell elememe to mob
>gathers mob
>drops frost cloud
>either takes a ton of hits during the animation or outright gets knocked down and canceled and frost cloud goes into cooldown
"No".

Besides, you'll want a swordsman for the class exp bonus in any case, and swordsman are not completely useless in any situation. Meanwhile in r8 the wizard class bonus slot will go to support wizards because everyone else has better damage.

around what level was rank5 again

>>152721893
desu having a linker c3 > having a pelt, I just take any random swordie I can get now

>>152721910
Well if doing shit damage is """""fun"""" to you then you can just pick whatever you want.

>>152722169
>playing the game
>fun

>>152722335
127ish, give or take

>>152722335
126

>>152722349
rank3 42
rank4 82
rank5 127
rank6 177
rank7 225

give or take depending on if you card or grind dungeons

>>152722020
Because I already have a diev and I hate it, the statues are buggy, they get knocked around, stupid long cooldowns, shit outfit.

I understand for some hard shit content SS+Ausrine+sterea troph would be some bonkers amount of inmunity, but I just don't feel like leveling 3 ranks of diev again would be fun at all, all I want is more damaging abilities for solo farming/dungeoning whatever that aren't on a 100+ seconds cooldown.

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>>152722335

>>152721910
i will eleborate again
so, i play aoe3 and like the concept of rts, first time playing this game. Also a huge fan of musketry. It will be more rewarding for me/guild going swordsman and finally centurion or picking archer to musketeer?

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>>152722770
>900x650
>png
>2.25mb

>>152722858
Centurion doesn't exist.

>>152722902
go be poor somewhere else

>>152722858
>centurion
is no in the game. you can not be centurion

>>152722995
>>152723018
http://www.tosbase.com/game/classes/Centurion/

>>152723193
IT IS NOT IN THE GAME YOU FUCKING NIGGA

>>152723193
Now try to make a build with it with the planner.

>>152722309
Neither is swordsman's AA, or are we talking about Swashbuckling now?

I agree with >>152722349, I've done parties in Evac and Alemeth without Pelts and did just fine.

>>152722750
I went Cleric C2 Priest Sadhu Druid C2 waiting on R8, worked out just fine. Possession is impossible to get cancelled once you have Sterea Troph unless you're just retarded and it only gets better at C3

Bitches love the Res from Priest but you can go Krivis if you want Dainos or Diev c1 if you want Laima for even more Invincibility rotation

>>152722750
Then why full con? If you do that you'll be gimping all your damaging skills like cure and zaibas/possession. And if you want to clear dungeons fast that's what you'll be using the majority of the time, supplemented with lycan attacks in between. Full con builds are more tailored towards pvp/gvg which is where diev would again be a better pick. Kriv does have daino which is nice though and sadhu's possession is quite strong when boosted by transform.
But if this build is just for farming and dungeon clearing you'd have a faster time as an SR or something like that with strong aoe clearing skills.

>qs3-fletcher3-hakapalle
Thoughts?

>archer2-hunter1-rogue-1-fletcher3-hackapellerinokekkerino

THOUGHTS?

>>152724420

I think that the future will ask us to roll ranger 2/3 for SA, even the weak one, similar to barbarian's warcry. it's the strongest buff to any new r8r/r9 skill we get

I have a 200+ HL3/Cor1/Fencer, but I really don't like Fencer. However, I feel it'd be a shame to waste the time invested on it so I want to salvage it into something useful.

How would going Cor2 and Cor3 when rank 8 comes out pan out? I don't care about leveling that character quickly so I can just leech it up in missions and whatnot. So what I'd be getting is the ability to farm stuff with lvl 15 Jolly Roger. How much money could I make from that? Can I just farm Honeymelli Stingers with it and make good money? Can you get DPK items through it - aka could I farm Battle Bracelets or other ludicrously expensive stuff in a reasonable amount of time? Can you pillage boss cards and cubes with it?

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>>152723534
Because people are saying transcendence makes INT useless or marginally significant, and wolf form is still somewhat close range, I rather have like a fuckload of HP rather than some 5-10% extra damage, I'd be having near 50k hp vs near 10k hp from a full INT build, no idea if the wolf boosts your HP or your INT.

I know people here like playing suicide builds and pretend they never ever get hit, but come on even with aoe inmunities you still need to gather them up and they can hit you, and even with aspersion magic damage still rapes you.

I'm just doing brain masturbation tho, seeing what people think, if the wolf damage was actually physical I'd consider full SPR and krivis for zalciai crit shenanigans, or priest for stoneskin, revive and blessing.

Actually now that I think about it would full spr+blessing be better in the long run? high spr = lots of mdef + barrier scrolls also giving you a ton of mdef while inside and stoneskin giving you a buttload of block, and all that SPR ends up turning into more damage for me and my whole party....

cleric2>priest3>druid3 full SPR = great build?

>>152723381
So what's your point then? "Any swordsman will do for the class bonus" means any swordy build can progress through grind parties. You think people are going to say "any wizard will do for the class bonus" in r8? Fuck no, it'll be support wizard for that slot then rest swordsmen archers clerics.

>>152724420
>>152724790

Hakkapelle is shit dont do it anon!!!

>>152724926
>Because people are saying transcendence makes INT useless or marginally significan
they are idiots

you/noone gonna get that sexy 550%
that shit takes months

most koreans have 60% or 100% now only. and it will be similar here when we get R8

Can you only get Nuaele cards from the main questline in Demon Prison? I want to stack those for +MDEF on my swordsman.

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>>152724843
SA is a buff to missile skills, no? Wouldn't make much sense to have it on a hakkapalle

>>152724994
But muh Mongolian horse archers

>>152725212
Not anymore, I belive

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RIP SR3, the dream is dead.

>>152725212
Not anymore.

>>152725212
Level 330 demon lord

>>152725467
Please no, I just rerolled my elememe into one.

>>152725467
>"SR3 is the best aoe" was literally a meme
Hopefully swordsmen are still shit as well.

>>152725336
>>152725468
>>152725572
Thanks for the info. Guess I'll just use some other card until then.

>>152724930
You're overreacting. Even 300k+ mobs will drop quickly in a party of 5 at r8, if it has a linker then it matters even less. Grind party elitism is really dumb in my opinion.


Wait some more time, it's entirely possible that ktos will get more balance patches, like r7 had for a ton of classes.

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How?

>>152725994
Squire tent or party quest.

>>152725994
guild masters can summon members, then they plevel them there

>>152725994
Templar summoning or hook64.

>>152725994
>archer3

>>152725936
>grinding at all when you can just solo quest

>>152725467

reminder that the koreans sux at this game, specially the ones at youtube

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>>152726214
>when you can just solo quest

>>152726280
I'm 250 now and haven't grinded once. Maybe you should git gud.

>>152726494
so?
i have a low lvl around 252 too without grind

solo quest is over in R8

>>152726209

archer3scout3 actually

>>152726584
>game is dying
>force people into finding parties to grind
smdh

>>152726652
How shit is perspective distortion?

>>152726584
This is misinfo, you only have trouble if your build is shit or meant for party support.
The diev3 druid3 korean I've met had no trouble at all soloing R8 quests.

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Do mission
See this
Wat do?

>>152726905
Say "hi".

>>152726819
>Safety Zone
ye

>>152726652
is twin arrows wack at high levels

>>152726782

I have friends who I party with that are dopp2/ fletcher3s and the attribute +25% physical damage to allies increase is really good

can someone remind me why we hate chaplain?

doesn't it give you 100% uptime on stoneskin?

>>152726995
>namedropping quitters
this is a new low

>>152727214
cappela is like an owl statue

>>152725467
I still can't believe you retards think Limacon is good for anything besides clearing the 145 dungeon

>>152727000

Not too bad, with some attribute it does around 8k-10k, 5 overheat at a 7s cooldown. My main dmg when I solo

>>152725467

Someone already did, SR is great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB7djrD_GGE

>>152724926
>Full spr druid3 wolfbuild
>when wolf consumes 2% sp per second

Transcendence will at best give maybe an extra 300 magic attack on your weapon and that is having near exploit tier weapons

>>152727214
Capella is actually awful
>stationary
>gives you like 6 buffs which will overwrite all your buffs if you dont have dainos
>costs 1k a cast
>easily destroyed by monsters who go straight for it

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>>152727214
It gives.

I hate Chaplain because I went it for the aspergillium+last rites+blessing+sacrament+zalciai autos.

I fucking hate being a full support bitch, yeah, you went cleric, but the gameplay was supposed to at least allow me to do some damage melee, else i'd fucking take full support instead.

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How good are skeletons now that their health has been buffed? I fucking love skeletons.

>>152726995
Good for them. I wish I could just stop too.

Okay so... it says Heal and Cure do damage to enemies, but does this damage scale with Int? Considering they're primarily support abilities, I'm not sure.

>>152727681
still bad

>>152727681
Kiss me Chris

>>152727923

yes they do scale with matk/int. both on cure's case (damage bonus via matk from being a magic attack and a int raw bonus based on your int because yes, the spell works this way). like 1 int = +/- 2,x damage. matk not necessarily comes from int, mace weapons, rod weapons, some accessories and etc also collaborates

>>152727681

WHY WOULD YOU JOIN FP ARE YOU OK

>>152727359

>new low

You're replying to lolipan though

so..how do you enter the secret 4chan guild? also, there is no special button like inventory..

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>>152725665
>>152725771
>>152726261
>>152727368

Jk he changed his mind.

>>152727681
They have more HP an more damage since they attribute went for +1 to +1%.
They are still pretty bad though.

>>152727681
Worthless except for distractions in pvp once r8 hits.