/shmupg/ Shooting Game General

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1st for bullshit in danmaku unlimited

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Second for tuna sashimi

Options:
-options transform from spread shot to focused shot per button press
-in spread shot, the options have also homing charge laser for another button
-in focused shot the player has a charge shot instead (on the ship)
-when charging, the player or option can't shoot, the charges are so powerful though,
that it still makes sense to spamm them on bigger enemies
-the spread option is good against smaller enemies
-the focused option is good against bigger enemies

Player shot:
-shot is not so powerful but good against all targets

Multiplier:
-shooting smaller enemies with the spread option or main shot gives hard capped multiplier/chain
-shooting bigger enemies with focused shot or main shot gives hard capped multiplier/chain
-shooting the wrong enemy with the wrong option resets multiplier/chain

Do you think this would be a good system for a shooter?

PLAY STRANIA

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It's been a while! Latest video is another Guwange Blue 1cc by CLP. This time it's done with a higher score and using a different character: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gt4r9Vb4ew

>>152683902
POST STRANIA

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cool

Bumpu

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New PB
Shit but fun run

how good/bad is steel rondo?

>>152689581
Just tried vanilla, it was fun but the music can be annoying

>>152689808
>Just tried vanilla
so...is that notthe same as steel rondo?

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>>152689808
the stage 4 and tlb themes are top tier m8

>>152690407
Steel Rondo is the newer version of vanilla Mecha Ritz

>>152690786
how does it differ? and is it worth 6.29 usd?

>>152682428
Git gud

>>152682428
Are you the jazz guy? Did jazz guy ever beat it?

>>152692025
im not that guy its just that I have just been playing this for the past few days and I cant help myself when it comes to complaining about everything no matter the game

>>152692025
Jazz guy here. No, not yet, but I managed to reach stage 5 in a run, which means that I'll eventually 1cc it.

>>152655182
>Are they superplayer strats because a superplayer used them, or because they require superplayer skills to execute?
I dunno. I think the whole run does require superplayer skill and consistency to execute. individually, it's all doable more or less. i mean, doing a few wr tricks at a time doesn't make me a superplayer, that for sure. anyone could do that easily with saved states

1st for input lag

>>152693409
made me smile after 4 frames

>>152692396
>I cant help myself when it comes to complaining about everything
so you're cee then?

>>152683902
Is Cee the western record holder of this game?

>>152683902
wow great timing dude i've literally just done a 56 million run with shishin aswell.

>>152694271
Afaik but then i haven't seen the 360 scoreboard assuming there is one and i've never seen any high scoring replays of it either.

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Does this background look more like a space background, or a sky background to you?

I'm not sure if I should add asteroid objects as enemies to it.

>>152698198
Sky for me.

>>152698198
It looks like upper atmosphere. So sky I guess. Space isn't blue like that.

>>152698198
Looks like a sky to me. Maybe try more outrageous colors for the clouds and maybe it could pass as a nebula

>>152698958
That's a pretty good idea! I will do this, thanks!

>>152698198
Is that you kraut de mierda? The sky has some pretty impressive looking depth, the bullet colour i think blends a little to much imo as to many shades of blue.

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>>152700356
>Is that you kraut de mierda?
Yes, that's me.

The graphics are all not mine though. They are all still ripped. I first wanna concentrate on the coding, then I make my own graphics with designs like pic related.

>>152698198
more importantly how much input lag does it have?

>>152670220 What would be easier then? The game must be from a top perspective.

>>152703939
batsugun special

>decide to become an athlete
>go to the gym, everyone seems cool
>eventually find out they use crutches like steroids, hgh, and testosterone
>leave gym

>>152706656
how this help you in shmuping?

>>152707603
Be attitude for gains

>>152707603
It's an analogy to savestating, fake scalines, and emulators

Making a bump before bed.

>>152707603
it's a meme you dip

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Windia is a meme.

>>152711645
I want to stick my penis in Windia's thighs!

>become disabled
>they tell me i need crutches to walk
>refuse because i'm not going to use crutches like crutches
>can't walk to the arcade anymore
>kill myself

>>152713205
Wording this.

People who use save states and autofire are disabled.

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>>152712618
But why? For what purpose?

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>start using autofire to practice
>it's a slippery slope
>start using it in actual runs
>become dependent on it
>one day someone breaks in while i'm shmupping
>grab my gun to shoot him
>autofire on guns is illegal
>can't remember how to shoot without it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5CWWGzmnbc

Wasn't there someone from the last thread that wanted to buy Crimzon Clover? You really can't get much lower than this.

https://www.humblebundle.com/store/crimzon-clover-world-ignition

>>152718487
Didn't notice until after I posted but it looks like a lot of Degica's stuff is on sale: https://www.humblebundle.com/store/search/publisher/Degica

So we all know that keyboard users can be identified by the jitteriness of their movement.

But what about pad users? Can they be identified as such?

>>152719630
To me specifically, I find pad play to be a lot more 'stilted' then keyboard or stick play, but when you get to players like Gus or clp, the lines start blurring quite a bit. So yeah, what would be the distinguishing marks?

>>152720160
t. gus or clp

pad users = shitters

>>152720160
Good pad players have great reading skills to make up for the lower skill ceiling on their movement compared to keyboard players. Some super-player keyboard stuff is seemingly impossible on pad, like super precise micro-tap streaming in PCB.

>>152721731
Yeah, I guess that makes sense. One of my practice routines actually is to try forcing myself to use pad for a bit for sections I normally do with keyboard, just to think outside the box and figure out how trouble spots work using a controller I'm not used to. Once I get stick, I'll probably use it for a similar purpose (or, well, I'll seriously practice on it while alternating between it and keyboard).

>If someone got 100 mediocre scores across a variety of game styles all that would really indicate is a willingness to spend time. But if someone spent that same time frame playing a single game and got a great score then that would indicate skill.
gaymers on suicide watch

>>152726432
What are they going to do on the bed?

>>152689581
I love it. Takes two of my favorite things, lods of ubulet and fast bullets, and puts them together. It's also not too difficult if you play for score, I can 1cc the tlb almost 100% of the time and my first credit was a 1cc of the other final boss.

>>152723563
who are you quoting? we all know multi skilled people are better than one trick ponies

>>152727687
http://pastebin.com/deNZ6S1q He's quoting from the gus superplayer essay.

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>>152726760
If it's a bed, then I would assume they're going to sleep on it.

>>152728140
sluts

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>>152728173
Why, what do you sleep on?

>>152727969
gus is a shitplayer

>>152728645
He's all right, but the memetic value wears off really quickly once you actually get embroiled in his "guerillas against arcade culture" crusade.

panic bump

>>152715148
what the hell is going on in that image

>>152723563
>>152727969
wow these cucks really need validation to fit on something, most japs do this for pure personal gratification, not for fame in some autistic weeb cred

>>152733172
Actually a lot of them do it for validation in their social circles. But please, keep telling me about your pure Japanese gods compared to us filthy autistic weeb gaijin.

>>152733306
jap superplayers don't have "social circles" you silly

>>152733452
>what are sof, clover, t3, wsm, yusemi, ktl, etc.

>>152733087
meduka meguca

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>>152733684

>>152733452
Also most of the scorer Japanese arcades (TRY tower, Daytona III, Game Box Q2, Goody 21, HEY back when it wasn't a tourist trap, etc.) acted as social gathering places for players, both childhood friend types, and people who got into it later.

>>152720160
>>152721731
Jaimers's replays always look kind of lazy to me, like he's keeping his APM low to do only the movements that are necessary.

So I assume that's the power of the pad - whatever you do looks efficient, but there's something that you lose, even if it might never come into play.

>>152734162
>can you reach 150 APM while playing dodonpachi?

>>152733452
the arcade is literally a social gathering place, moreso than anything 99% of gaijin have because you meet with people face to face and watch them play with your own eyes

>>152734232
You can probably get your APM value from the .inp file... Has anyone done that already?

>>152734421
And that's not even delving into the whole "clan" system that focuses around specific arcades (like SOF for the players at Daytona III, and the unnamed equivalent at Game Box Q2, just to give an example).

>>152734421
they are a "social place" maybe on the rhythm games section, shmups sections are full of autistic fucks

>tfw /shmupg/ will never share an arcade irl

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>>152735250
>tfw /shmupg/ will never revive daytona iii from the ashes where it now sits

>>152735390
>caveshit hive
it deserved it

>>152735531
fuck you cave owns BITCH!!

>>152722084
Stick is about equal to pad in freedom, but the movements it creates are beautiful, and the physical feeling is like no other. Keyboard is only needed to play Touhou, I think.

>>152733172
>these cucks
it's just one turbo retard

>>152735914
Yeah, I've heard you have to be maybe a bit more deliberate with stick and you can't do as much APM. But that just means you have to plan your routes more, and as you said, the physical feeling should be quite pleasurable.

>>152736203
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd_OW9QlCWU
is this high APM stick?

>>152736402
Yeah WC is probably near the highest APM I've seen. Almost uses stick like he's playing on keyboard.

>>152736203
Stick is good. Even in Touhou keyboard is only -necessary- if you want to get an extremely optimized WR with no route improvements.

>>152736956
It's just a difference in playstyle desu. Otherwise, this whole hand wringing about controller differences is really quite disappointing.

>>152737061
From my own experience keyboard is objectively worse at horizontal shooters due to the WASD layout needing to switch a finger between up/down, which is the primary movement when dodging a lot of patterns, just like left/right for vertical shooters

I just couldn't dodge a fast pattern where I had to make quick decisions on up/down for shit because I had to keep switching fingers on those 2 buttons, became a lot more consistent at dodging it when I switched to stick

Stick and pad being inferior in Touhou is plain bullshit. Look at Gobou approaching the EoSD WR playing with pad, for example.

>>152737307
You could use HJKL with 4 fingers on keyboard to get around that.

>>152737307
For horis, I could definitely see that. I'm mainly talking about verts though, where controller differences aren't quite as pronounced.

>>152737061
Just consider it on a personal level - do you want to twiddle the joystick like WC, or do you want to press keys? I like the stick more, and it makes me arcade compliant too. lmao

>>152737389
>hjkl for directions
Do people actually use that?

>>152737554
I probably want to try out both, though at the end of the day, I'll probably end up preferring stick despite being completely used to using right hand for directions on keyboard. But I'll save that for when I can actually get a stick and not just poorfag it up.

>>152737713
Good luck in advance then. Remember that stick is not learned overnight--it'll almost certainly feel like the worst thing ever at start, but give it a couple of weeks of practice and the effort will start to bloom.

>>152736169
Meh anyone that unironically uses the word "cuck" is automatically branded a turbo retard. It's like wearing a star to advertise your complete lack of intelligence.

another panic bump

>>152704831
>continue credit: 2
Why modern shooters have stopped giving you credits and have free play instead? The only true way to beat a shmup is on one credit, i know. But beating the game on few credits is at least an achievable goal for casuals like me, after all, popular arcade ports like contra had some continues to make it beatable by anyone, but not nearly enough to make it easy.
As an added bonus, we wouldn't have retards complaining that the game is 20 minutes long.
I get that i can just limit myself, but it's not the same as the game limiting you.

>>152742519
Because devs got lazy and decided to try catering to the casual crowd, not realizing that it's counterproductive to do so. Also the addition of proper practice modes and such doesn't hurt either.

>>152742519
I wonder how mad casuals would be if a game did not allow credit feeding at all unless you input a code or something. Would definitely make for some entertaining reviews.

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>aug 24
>day 35
>shmups still doesn't work on my GANOO/LOONIX computer

>>152737389
>Stick and pad being inferior in Touhou is plain bullshit. Look at Gobou approaching the EoSD WR playing with pad, for example.
Gobou has the overall SA world record too. I think the argument that keyboard is better for Touhou is mostly specific to PCB, due to the scoring systems demanding extremely precise unfocused movement grazing if you're going for the WR, which is so much easier to do on a good mechanical keyboard than a pad.

>>152743269
>Would definitely make for some entertaining reviews.
Read Satazius reviews on steam, some couldn't beat the first level on easy difficulty.
I remember gems like this in my language:
>I didn't chose a weapon to shot backwards, but the boss is chasing me from behind, this game is shit!

>>152736402
this is parkinsons

consider the following: people who play on pads or keyboard will never have developed the skills necessary to play on the only platform that matters, arcade

the japs laugh at all the MAME garbage they see from westies

>>152744942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgYLZ1eRu0I
Your move.

>>152744942
literally doesn't matter because gaijin howaito piggu aren't allowed to get records

>>152745025
Cause for seppuku, that one.

>>152745063
its not about records, its about RESPECK. the japs won't respeck a-n-y-o-n-e unless they play the official arcade and console versions

>>152720691
>clp
>pad users = shitters

Mate i used a sanwa stick exclusively for 4/5 years and have no issues sitting down in a arcade to play, i switched to pad because stick gave me rsi issues and pads are way more ergonomic. Pads become a hindrance only when your ship is very fast moving but even then Jaimers destroys dangun with one so maybe that's just me other than that i have beat everyone of my old pb's i had with stick with pad and i think that's more to do with how i approach the game now ie routing and strats.

>>152734162
That's just his style I'm pretty aggressive as a player generally using pad.

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>>152745557
>sanwa
>for shmups

>>152745557
Haha, well, as I said. The controller doesn't matter nearly as much as the knowledge and forethought that goes into making the runs, and the people who sperg about it are largely people who will never bother getting good anyway. That said, your controller looks like an abomination cast out from the heavens, and I seriously have to wonder how anyone can ever play on it.

>>152745715
I always preferred it but that's probs because i came to shmups from fighters and was used to it's movements. I believe Aquas prefers sanwa aswell. Honestly i'l adapt to anything though and used the dreamcast stock stick alot for the Karous western records (beat them all with dcast pad now lel).

>>152745843
>That said, your controller looks like an abomination cast out from the heavens, and I seriously have to wonder how anyone can ever play on it.

Same way you play on anything use it a lot and adapt, previous to the ibuffalo i used a ps1 pad that i ghetto modded the dpad on which is also super comfy but these ibuffalo snes pads are nice when they where in and only like 8 bucks a pop. So yeah stick or pad i'm happy with either but rsi isn't worth it so pad it is.

>>152746001
Oh, you use an ibuffalo now? Yeah, those are pretty good for pads, though I can't really use them well compared to keyboards. But I was talking about your ghetto ps1 pad with the casing knifed open.

>>152745715
>>152746001
Clover-TAC prefers Sanwa too, so Sanwa is fine 2bh.

>>152746102
>But I was talking about your ghetto ps1 pad with the casing knifed open.
Oh you remember that? haha ok well yeah honestly though it's a massive improvement over the stock case. It wasn't a knife either basically i sanded down the face so the dpad is a couple mms more prominent and then melted the obstructing cross out so my thumb sits better. Ibuffalo is all i use now though pretty much.

>>152746315
Yeah stock ps1 dpads are pretty awful lol. Honestly, for pads, I'm probably just going to get a Saitek or something. Not to knock against the ibuffalo or anything, but the 4 way pad is a bit too small for my thumb to really work effectively with.

>>152746442
How about the madcatz street fighter fightpad? That was one of the best pads i've ever used but i refuse to pay the extortionate prices they seem to have reached now.

>>152746642
Those look alright, but as you said, they're expensive, and I'm not exactly made out of money (running entirely off of donated equipment etc.) So yeah, think I'll have to pass for that one.

>playing shmups with your stick on the lap

Any disgusting animals here who do this? I see some streamers play like this and I have no idea how people find it tolerable for shmups, the small movement on my legs throws off my accuracy and especially diagonals from time to time.

>>152747251
I used to and never gave it much thought desu, maybe try a pillow on lap?

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>>152747251
I do it just fine.

>>152747251
I forcibly jam the stick between the desk edge and my body to mount it securely in my lap.

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>>152747589
>I forcibly jam the stick between the desk edge and my body to mount it securely in my lap.
Are we still talking about the same thing?

>>152747415
What I meant is compared to a solid surface where the stick doesn't move around at all unless you apply way too much force

>>152747251
done that since day one, i'm fine

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Windia will save the thread in its hour of need!

>>152752540
B-but I was gonna bump the thread

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>>152752687
O-Oh... well uh... let's keep it alive together!

>>152753296
This one is mine!

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And I'll do one last bump before bed...

>>152747251
i forcibly insert stick into my anus by sitting on it and move my whole body, as if i am a ship.

>>152718487
good, but my country not supported.

>>152742519
arcades give you continues to, just put a coin )

>>152758514
typical shmuper.

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>>152747251
It's comfortable and I can lean back on my office chair, which makes it even better.

rate your favourite Manabu Namiki soundtracks

Ketsui > Battle Garegga > Castlevania ReBirth > DFK Black Label > Mushihimesama Futari > DOJ > Ketsui Extra > SDOJ > Mushihimesama > Espgaluda 2 > Deathsmiles > DFK > Kokuga

>>152765486
>rate your favourite Manabu Namiki soundtracks

Zed blade/operation ragnarok
ketsui
garegga

Probs my top 3 of his off the top.

>>152765486
i dont play these games

>>152762680
yeah, i'm going FULL shmup you could say

>>152761940
>just put a coin
it is said, in japan, if you iput another coin while someone is wating to play, shame to family, you must commit sumo.

>>152765486
Battle Garegga > Mushihimesama Futari > SDOJ > Ketsui > Armed Police Batrider > DOJ > Deathsmiles > stuff I haven't listened to

>>152768985
put Mushihimesama between Batrider and DOJ

>>152774968
Now post the one with two Hibachis

degica is taking way to long with their lack of a release dait for dfk, gonna blow the remainder of my money on witcher 3 i think.

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>>152775104

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>tfw the last six months you played nothing but shmups

What's wrong with savestates? How you gonna practise on some games otherwise?
Why do you hate people who use savestates?

>>152776562
It's a meme you dip

>>152775679
>tfw the last six months you played nothing but shmups and you still haven't accomplished anything.

>>152777347
let's feel together

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>>152777347
>tfw this feel is unknown to me

>>152765486
video game music is for uncultured plebians

>>152780658
What kind of music listen cultured plebians?

>>152781953
idol music

>>152777013
But why

why the fuck does crimzon clover even exist when there is literally nothing skill based in that dice rolling game

its objectively the worst game in the fucking universe with all the fucking bullshit you can ever imagine existing such as the fucking stage 3 which is there just to force you to restart every 30 seconds

>>152782259
It started as a joke.
Then it started to get posted more often.
Now it's an injoke.

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This is game good for relaxing play?

>>152782531
i think this a best game for Windows

>>152782531
>dice rolling game
>ccwi
what's random in it?

>>152783052
>enemy health
>enemy spawning especially in stage 1 and 2
>overall performance varies greatly every time you play the game
>number of bullets enemies shoot
>overall bullshit in general
also i swear to fucking god that the bullets hitboxes size is sometimes bigger and sometimes smaller

>inb4 doesnt happen
im pretty sure i know the best whats happening on the game that i personally am playing

the only good thing ever to come from cc are improved reflexes from all the restarting you will do when playing the game

>>152765486
Battle Garegga > Buttrider > Thunder Dragon 2 > Ketsui > Fantasy Zone II DX
Not a big fan of the rest 2bh

crimzon clover is easy lmao

Up!

>>152783463
i agree that crimzon clover is hard but you just need to [git gud

>>152783701
if you find the game too hard, just play something else
it was designed by a fucking pro player, so of course it's pretty hard

btw, the playtester for this game was a girl, so even girls can beat it

>>152789738
>>152789874
see >>152244295 its all fucking downhill from there just like in mof

also go back to >>>/vg/dsg

>>152790479
What are you trying to prove with this? Your score is pathetic, git gud.

>>152790756
that im better than you

>>152790756
normal peoples dont play for score

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>>152790932
you are not
I'm also still shit at the game, but you really just need to practice it a lot, then you also get better

there is nothing unfair about it, it's just pretty fucking hard

>>152791201
Whos got 1 place?

>>152791645
The Absolute Madman

>>152791201
i can tell its pretty unfair when the game used to be much easier last week and now its turned into complete bullshitfest

>>152791768
That's only because you are not consistent in your routing.
I can tell by your score, that you must have pretty shitty routing, and just play by twitch reflex. If you play like this, then it's no wonder that don't have consistency. You have memorize your routes and stick to them as close as possible, then you also will develope consistency.

When will there be a shmup where you can get a googol points?

>>152792394
It's off by like 10E90 but Giga Wing 2's probably the closest.

>>152765486
garegga>batrider>ketsui>DOJ

>>152791201
>bananafaggot about to get BTFO

>even a girl can 1cc crimzon clover and YOU CAN'T
LMAO i'd just kill myself if i were worse than a girl
i'm a lunatic level touhou player so crimzon clover is a piece of cake for me

In CCWI is Type-Z original for faggots?

>>152799860
yes

>>152796653
i cant clear normal modo

>>152794103
>Giga Wing 2's probably the closest
How high does Giga Wing 2's score go

>>152802495
How many breads have you eaten in your life

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>kill last boss
>kill extra last boss
>one more extra last boss from nowhere
i dont prepare for this

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Do any of these games have good story?

>>152808717
What the fuck am I looking at?

>>152808717
Hellsinker's story is... interesting to say the least.

Also Cho Ren Sha 68k has the best story in vidya history.

>>152809142
Looks like a reptile girl with a very long tail.

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going full touhou is a good idea?

>>152810971
No.

Whats the best ship for a shitclear in DOJ Black Label?

>>152810971
If you go full touhou you have to make your own game.

>>152810971
yea

>>152810971
Maybe

>>152811291
A-shot

>>152811291
1 or 2 all
also B apparently has a smaller hitbox in BL

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Does someone know where I can find CAVE game's official art? or good shmup official art in general? google isn't helping me much.

I used to love Cave, I own most of their older game PCBs. Their newer releases are pure trash with all the fucking moe shit.

>>152817861
Are you a dad?

>>152817861
Cave went to shit after Donpachi

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>>152817861
Deathsmiles is fun!

>>152817861
>I own most of their older game PCBs.
Take a picture with a timestamp.

>>152810971
only if you play as no one but reimu

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I just realized that the only Touhou game in which I prefer playing as Marisa over Reimu is EoSD. Every other time my favorite shot type is Reimu or Sakuya

That's weird, I always thought I liked Marisa more.

>>152823850
it's all in the hands

Can someone link the Discord server?

>>152825252
Fuck off with your shitware.

>>152825252
>>152825409
>less than two minutes between posts
Signs of life!

>>152825409
>mad because he wasn't invited
lmao

>>152825252
Which one?

>people on the Discord are taking 4chan seriously
fucking lol

>>152825539
I'm mad because everyone and their grandmother is going on taiwanese watercolor painting boards and shiling this piece of shit centralized closed-source software as a "good" alternative to Skype when in reality it's just as fucking bad.

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I think something went wrong with my charge shot guys...
Do you think this perhaps could be actually a cool weapon? Drawing lines on screen... ?

>>152823850
I like Marisa in MoF and SA & prefer her to all the other shot types, but that's about it... Maybe also in DDC.

>>152826107
Sounds good on paper, but you wouldn't like it even if it were open source.

>>152826191
>doesn't ever go away
Yeah that's really fucking good

Stack 'em up, knock 'em down

>>152826191
Yo that's some kirby canvas curse shit there.

Find a way to use it.

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>>152826191
A way to draw dicks in a shmup?

>>152826261
I like ReimuB in MoF and ReimuA in SA. MoF MarisaB without the bug would be fine though. I don't really like any of Marisa's shots in SA though.

>>152783463
Just like on other games each enemy has its own characteristic. You just need to know about them. Like this one, the enemies will stop shooting if your ship is close enough with them. If you killed them randomly they will shoot you randomly too.
Stage 2 boss, if you destroyed its legs at the wrong time anomaly will happen, usually when it's going to punch you.
The meat ball shit, it will going enrage when about to die. Stay away from it's bouncing line and it'll slowing down a bit.

>>152826280
Not having source code available isn't the only problem with it.

>>152826191
That's actually really fucking cool, and it might work if you had to collect energy to use it, it wouldn't stack on top of itself, and it wasn't permanent. It doesn't just have to be a weapon either, you could have it not deal any damage but enemies that are on top of it become "marked" and give twice as many points or some shit like that.

>>152825889
How many shmup discords are there?

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>>152826504
>A way to draw dicks in a shmup?

>>152828034
Do "KRAUT OWNS BITCH" next.

>>152826504
MarisaC's detachable options in MoF and MarisaB's flexible formation selection in SA are the cool things to me. Needle Reimu is the second best, of course. I like her, well... anywhere there isn't a more interesting shot type.

>>152827860
At least two English speaking ones. Probably a handful more, though some of them will be from Touhou sites or otherwise based around it.

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>>152828034
Wunderbar.

>>152828359
I like MarisaB in SA by concept (it was the first shot I used to get a 1CC), but it's a bit less practical than I'd hoped for.

>>152828448
Well, any English ones, please.

>>152828696
discord.me/shmups
discord.gg/0xep2abVInjZbhOT

If I want to try this genre, which game is babby's first shmup?

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>>152828206

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>>152829902
Cho Ren Sha 68k

>>152829902
Touhou 6-8 and Deathsmiles probably. Novice modes in Mushihimesama and Crimson Clover are very accommodating to newcomers, though the standard arcade modes are more difficult.

http://www.wikihouse.com/stg/index.php?STG%A5%E9%A5%F3%A5%AF%B0%EC%CD%F7 is a wiki that catalogs arcade shmups by difficulty. Anything from 1-10 will be easy. 11-20 will be doable for a newcomer but will require significant effort.

>>152829902
It's dangerous to go alone, take this

https://mega.nz/#!mlwG3ZCJ!NMdWxNY4pjqc1vFGwzyPIbtGor0GHObcfENNMgOQW1s

Your homework is to take Darius II for a spin

>>152829902
CCWI is on sale on humble for 2 buckaroonis, I'd play it on novice. I prefer Mushi but it's more expensive.

>>152830543
>https://www.humblebundle.com/store/search/publisher/Degica

Mushi's ten buckaroonis, while it's five times as expensive that's still not too terrible

>>152830143
Perfect.

>>152830287
it goes in all fields

>>152829902
8/16bit console shmops are the easiest. they are rather different from the more modern shmups though, not many bullets, but they are fast as shit and aimed directly at you.
i wouldn't recomend ccwi unless you are content with clearing novice in very little time and then struggling with arcade. i wish they'd make novice harder so that transition to arcade wasn't as painful.

>>152827860
Like a million. Way too many.

>>152829198
Thanks.

>people are still trying to shill Cho Ren Shit Shitty8K

>>152836267
How do you shill a free game?

Also CRS is based.

Wakey wakey

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>>152838949
Sleepy sleepy...

>>152839590
streamy streamy

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>>152840040
Hmm... yeah I guess I can do that. Might as well get some MBL 999 practice in, but it might not be a very long stream. I can't play 999 for too long at once.

http://twitch tv/harrykoakuma

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I finally did it! The animations and sprites still look weird but it works.

>>152842543
You monster

Bring back the lines

>>152842664
The lines looked interesting, but I think it would be weord from a gameplay standpoint.

I also accidently created a charge bomb, and a charge shield though, which I maybe try to implement later.

>>152842763
Weird is not the same as bad

>>152842823
Maybe I will try to do something with them later, I just wanted to get the charge shot down first.

>>152817861
>I used to love Cave, I own most of their older game PCBs. Their newer releases are pure trash with all the fucking moe shit.
I kind of agree but not because of the moe shit, my issue is sh-3 was good enough hardware to make good games but instead they opted to over push it's capabilities and give us games featuring the most atrocious poorly implemented slowdown ever far worse than any older titles. Yagawa seems to be the only programmer who didn't fuck up in this regard. The sh-3 period saw cave get lazy aswell with all these quick shit out revisions of titles. The mostly handrawn and care taken environments they built in the 1st gen cave releases are still imo there best efforts.

>>152740015
Nah anyone who tries to force a false standard on what words one can use and implies a false correlation between language use and intelligence is actually the turbo retard. It's soviet far left liberal tier control style to use intimidation, ostracization and false equivalencies to make others behave as you wish. Libtards always use the propaganda style of "what we think is what smart ppl think! if you want to be smart you best think what we think, no don't question it just conform and you'll be smart like us!", you stupid cuck.

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>>152843818
Right on my clasically trained fedora wearing comrade!

>>152843818
Case in point >>152843940

>>152843376
>The mostly handrawn and care taken environments they built in the 1st gen cave releases are still imo there best efforts.
Agreed, although some of the PGM titles like Ketsui look damn fine to me too.

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>>152843818
>>152844319

>>152844707
Reactionary conservatism owns bitch.

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>>152841584
Stream's over, thanks for watching. It... eh, coulda gone better, coulda gone worse. 999 is still beyond my ability, especially the boss fights.

>>152843376
most of their sh-3 games are popular bro
maybe the slowdown isn't the problem. maybe it's ............. you

I could have the wr if it weren't for the fucking SLOWDOWN

>>152843376
CAVE slowdown is a feature. It's even included on their latest mobile game.

alright let's list the excuses that only shitplayers use

>input lag
>slowdown
>not having access to replays
>not being able to use keyboard / other shitmethod of input
>not living in japan next to an arcade

>>152847113
>tfw all these apply to me
i would literally be the greatest player to ever live if someone would remove all these FUCKING handicaps

>>152847113
Forgot the best one of them all:

>being a touhou player

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>>152848130
How is that an excuse?

>>152847113
>waifu/moe shit
this will trigger farm

>>152847113
>not having autism

>>152847113
>memorization is boring

>>152849043
>memorization is too hard

>>152849109
no, they just say it's boring

>>152849180
But I've also heard a few straight up say it's too hard, so it's worth listing both variants.

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>route
do you mean a plan?

>>152850986
it's called a pattern

>>152851221
パターン is japanese for routes/strats is basically "pattern" in katakana
they'll usually refer to bullet patterns simply by stating bullets and inferring the context

>>152847113
not seeing what's wrong with too much input lag (low end lcd tv for instance) is a sign of being a turbo scrub who doesn't play

we never saw anyone bragging how training for a marathon of whatever sports wearing flip flops or mocassins isn't an issue, so why does this happen all the fucking time in STG forums?

reason is : you guys don't play, you guys don't sport, you just full of shite

パターン通り

In Galaga getting caught is always part of your plan.

>>152851402
Speak american, you nip.

>>152851680
burgers and bibles

>>152851823
not sushi and haiku, ok?

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>>152851632
I've had times in Galaga where I've lost my last life via tractor beam.

And then I felt just awful.

>>152851370
is this site reliable or shills?
http://www.displaylag.com/

>>152851370
In my experience very low end LCDs have had no more noticeable lag than a monitor.

Mobile bump

No, I haven't finished uploading yet.

>>152733624
how do i join these

>>152846562
>most of their sh-3 games are popular bro
Not an argument.

>>152846562
>maybe it's ............. you
Not that subjective preference or experience should ever be coined a problem. Good players can adapt to anything but the majority are honestly terrible and will always favor bum loads of slowdown because it makes them feel more epic despite being shit, it's part of caves selling point but honestly at times it sucks. Go look at mushi 1.5 and notice how few people actually play that game to even a mediocre level in any mode....those are the people who will say slowdowns great.

>>152844427
>although some of the PGM titles like Ketsui look damn fine to me too.
Yeah the PGM titles get a bit of special leeway from me due to the hardware being ass, i think what they managed to get out of it for ketsui was really something, espgaluda not so much to much piss green and shit brown.

>>152861364
You don't because he doesn't know what he's talking about.

ie. Clover-TAC is Yotsubane, the guy who made CrimzonClover. Clover stands for Cave Lover. His initials are TAC.

>>152733624
>>what are sof, clover, t3, wsm, yusemi, ktl, etc.
Not including the most important group KBR.

>>152861705
how do i join this

>>152791994
i do have routes but the bullshit is that sometimes the game decides to randomly shit on you when enemies dont die as fast as usual or some bullet with hitbox with a size of whole screen kills you from mile away

>>152861673
I've seen replays by Clover-YMN. That's a different person, no?

>>152861950
Just stream. I'm sure Klabauter would be willing to help you with your every mistake, at least at first.

>>152861987
CLOVER is a compromised of a small number of players. YMN is one of it's members and he is not TAC.

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>>152858919

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>>152862778
who the fuck made this game

>>152862956
It's the demo-version of Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, made by ZUN.

>>152861673
>the guy who made CrimzonClover. Clover stands for Cave Lover
*uninstalls ccwi*

>>152863207
Yeah, where's the fucking slowdown? I payed 2 dollars for a cave superplayer fangame and I don't even get slowdown? Is this Touhou or something?

>>152863207
Ironic, then, that the most played game within the group is actually Dimahoo (HAL held the Grimlen record, TAC holds the Solo-Bang record, and YMN held the Miyamoto record)

>>152864120
the game doesnt need slowdown t. crimzon clover pro

>>152864227
hes joking t. mememaster

>>152843818
lmao thanks for proudly wearing your badge memester.

>Conservatards always use the propaganda style of "what we think is what the man in the sky says! if you want to be smart you best think what we think, no don't question it just conform and you'll be smart like us!

>>Degica posts on the farm to shill their sale, ignores all the comments asking about deathsmiles slowdown and shooting love bundle.

>play on keyboard
>it's shit
>buy 8$ dualshock clone controller
>it's shit
>buy 40$ 8bitdo controller
>it's shit
maybe i should get a stick and get disappointed in it too or maybe i'm the shit

>>152867136
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sega-Saturn-SS-Japan-import-2-Official-Gray-Controller-Pad-HSS-0101-US-Seller-/282103472117

+

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PS2-N64-Nintendo-64-SS-Sega-Saturn-Controller-Adapter-to-for-PC-Mac-USB-Mayflash-/151362683870

Or buy a q4 raf + LS-32

>>152866237
Don't forget the meme cult culture promoted via buzzwords and repetition. Just look at that joke of a post. His """""""words"""""" like cuck and libtard. You can tell papa /pol/ taught him """""""original thoughts"""""""""""" and dogma so well he can barely form arguments without memespouting, then again that's the idea so it seems to have worked out well as it makes them easily identifiable and promotes the idea of community and safespace. Dude KEK, BLACKED, BTFO'D libtard! LOL!

im sucks

>>152869540
im owns bitch

>>152852517
Monitor lag isn't an issue unless you have some super shitty display

It's always poorly made games that are the issue(read: cave ports)

>>152866237
what badge and who said anything about christian conservatives? Oh you think the world is a 2 tier political system? and you think criticism of one is endorsement for the other? American education everybody.

What shmups does /pol/ play?

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when i'm play shmups, i think about some shit, but not about my current run.
maybe it prevents me be a good player.

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>>152870852
sonic wings

>>152870852
Sturmfront and Galaga 88

>>152870935
Heh, it's always my dreams getting in my way.

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>>152867934
>$29,95
>shipping $43,36
my main problem with d-pads i tried, is that hitting left/right in intense moments sometimes causes up/down to be pressed as well. then againm when shit is intense i can sometimes even press left instead of right, what i need is some self-control.

>>152870612
>M-muh complete lack of reading comprehension. Time to arbitrarily blame the American education system.

There was a post saying unironically using the word cuck brands you as a retard (it does). And someone got super triggered and butthurt and starting jumping at the shadows, making bizarre assumptions, and blaming the boogeyman of the left.

>>152872256
>againm
yuou seer whast imn talkingh abouty?

>>152870852
Anything by ZUN.

So I've been looking for years for an old scmup I played as a kid.

It was top down like galaga, it was on pc and I remember thinking the graphics were really good. Played it around 96-99. Can't recall exactly, it was in space against aliens and such and your ship looked like a spaceship/bird hybrid. It was really fun. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

>>152872494
Why is someone a retard for using the word cuck?
Could it perhaps be that you are yourself a cuck?

>>152872494
>There was a post saying unironically using the word cuck brands you as a retard
That's not an argument though, just ad hominem. It doesn't matter what vocabulary a person uses, an argument stands on its own merits. Attacking the use of a word in order to dismiss someone is just as bad as attacking someone's grammar in order to dismiss them. You put on a show of being some enlightened person, but you're no better than the straw-man you criticize.

Now let's examine the original post:

>wow these cucks really need validation to fit on something, most japs do this for pure personal gratification, not for fame in some autistic weeb cred

Why not try countering that claim with an actual argument?

>>152873847
Let's hope Reco agrees.

>>152873073
>You put on a show of being some enlightened person
It's really more of the same. These sort of outlandish assumptions trying to paint the poster as "enlightened" or a "liberal" Very strange. No one in this thread ever said anything about being either, just people being triggered over insults of the word cuck.

Take this post for example: >>152843818
>Libtards always use the propaganda style of "what we think is what smart ppl think! if you want to be smart you best think what we think, no don't question it just conform and you'll be smart like us!", you stupid cuck.

Literally just accusations and assumptions about political preference. It's also a nice example of reductio ad absurdum and a mediocre attempt at poisoning the well.

>>152872991
>Why is someone a retard for using the word cuck?
It's superfluous memespouting that has lost almost all meaning except for branding the user.

>>152872991
Why are you calling people cucks instead of faggots, niggers, gaiafags, redditors, homos, scrubs, casuals, retards, newfags, autists, pedos, secondaries, goons, shills, cunts, weeaboos, or dicks?

Find the answer to that question, and you may be able to figure out why everyone considers people who spout cuck no different than newfags who just use the latest buzzwords in order to fit in.

>>152872928
the reap

>this thread

at least it's still better than /srg/

>>152874351
No idea how you came up with enlightened = liberal. In any event, you conveniently ignored the rest of my post where I explained repeatedly that you're just spouting ad hominem instead of actually arguing against the original poster's claim. Then you have the audacity to accuse others of using fallacies. It literally doesn't matter what words you use, or how hypocritical you are, an argument stands independent of its originator. The ability to recognize this is what separates civilized, thinking people from subhumans like yourself. Now let's see if you take the bait.

>>152874951
>you came up with enlightened = liberal.
No one did except you.

>>152874351
>It's superfluous memespouting that has lost almost all meaning except for branding the user.
The word cuck is pretty fitting for many people. I think it's just another slang for liberals who like seeing their country getting cucked by foreigners.

>>152874368
The words you named there have totally different meanings than "cuck". Also, the term "buzzword" is still the biggest buzzword, used by anyone who can't come up with real arguments, and instead tries to ridicule the opponent by pointing out that he uses words like cuck or whatever.

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>>152875158