/smtg/ - 真・女神転生/Shin Megami Tensei General

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1st for Demifiend

Jack Frost General. HO~

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>>152570824

I request the SMT hunger chart.

>>152572068
>>152283514

Do I have to follow the Triumphant Ending guide completely to max everyone's Fate level?

>>152572117
>Who are you? What do manchildren like you want from me?
>Yes/No

Is demon negotiation in Apocalypse better than in IV?

>that feel when life has no purpose
what is the dao

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>>152570703
77 9th for Nanashi

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Onii-chan~

There is something I want you to do for me.

>>152572665
There is a guide for the Triumphant route? I would imagine so if it nets you all characters. If not, it is a bad guide.

>>152577401
Yeah, the one in the Tips and Tricks pastebin.

>>152577914
Ok I see it. It looks like a Fates guide to get all the characters to atleast 4. You need to follow this to be able to get the ending, yes. Thanks for pointing me to this. I was searching for a Fates guide. I assume the order of the selected choices are the same for RB so it should work for both games.

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>>152575775
Get this shit out of here and let a real woman pass through

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>>152579143
I like what i'm seeing.

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>>152579268
Me too.

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>>152579143
Slut.

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I'm starting the Triangulum portion of Record Breaker.

Anything I should know about it before ramming headfirst into it?

>>152579956
They can't keep getting away with it.

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>tfw get Anti-Most on a demon and keep spreading that shit to other demons in subsequent fusions

>>152579956
Max out Yamatos, Alcors and Miyako social link. Thats about it.

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>>152570416
>not adding the how to giten to the op

http://pastebin.com/V2VS2pqg

Why

Remove beadman

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>>152585389
Giten anon here.

After I beat the game, I'm going to update the User Defined Names list. For now, here's the latest version of the pastebin:
http://pastebin.com/5qaYUwQi

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How fucking alignments even works in Final?
Is this about invisible point all over again or what?

I'll end it thus!

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>>152582862
>getting Rss over Nulls and Rfs
pleb

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>>152586738
No.

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>>152586891

My demons are a bit different!

>>152587109
Why is she so ugly and stupid? I want to play SMT IV again just to kill her.

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>>152587087
So its all about strightforward choice of your route then?

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When will be fight the true avatar of the Great Will?

>>152587215
>I want to play SMT IV again just to kill her.
She won't let you, failure as a human.

>>152587315
Yes.

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>>152586738
>>152587087
>>152587315
Stop posting photos of my wife.

>>152586738
Sort of, but not really. All the routes are accessed by simply accepting the offer from the route rep and all the routes are always available. There is, however, an invisible "Shounen MC/Edgelord" meter, that "punishes" you if you are inconsistent.

If you are an Edgelord and side with Danu, Dagda will delete all your demons. If you are a Shounen MC and side Dagda, Navarre will destroy your items.

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>>152587602
I killed her twice already, I can do it again.
>>152587714
Make me.

I know SMTIV is pretty good, but how does it compare to DeSu2? I've been playing Record Breaker on a binge lately and I'm really enjoying the characters, the story and the demon fusing, but after 80 hours or so I'd like to try other SMT's I haven't played, and I never liked the characters from Overclocked much. Also, do i need to play IV before Final? Can I summon Alice both in 4 and in Final?

>>152588027
Playing SMT IV as my first SMT outside of Persona right now

It's pretty fun and the combat is good, but outside of memes the characters are kind of bland and I KEEP GETTING FUCKING LOST IN TOKYO REEEEEEEE

>Fighting the Lay Line Dragon in DeSu2

This is the most cancerous piece of shit I have ever seen

>>152587830
>I killed her twice already
Stop spreading lies.

SMT x Neptunia

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>>152587725
>If you are an Edgelord and side with Danu, Dagda will delete all your demons. If you are a Shounen MC and side Dagda, Navarre will destroy your items.

Ebin

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>>152589409
Isabeau slit her own throat.

>>152588329
I got lost in Tokyo a lot too

>>152579956

Miyako a top cute but Otome still the best in my heart.

P.s. Ronaldo still a top fag

>>152589591
So techically she killed herself, not you, retard.

>>152589876
Fuck, you're right. I'll go White then.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asNtAKODq5Q

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How the fuck do I murder Jimenez?!
their isnt enough luster candy in the world for this fight

>>152592623
git gud

>>152593105
I literally do the most damage by just having the MC and Alice out. Jimeneze spams his gun attack which Alice fucking deflects and its always 2000+ damage, shit's hilarious.

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>>152593214
>MC and Alice
>most damage

>>152593274
Space Marine does jack shit. He just sits in the corner and jacks off while some mexican tries to shoot a white girl.

Atlus employee here.
IV and IVA: The Animation just went into productions, studio A-1, how does it make you feel?

>>152593665
Use Rangda and other Phys Repel demons.
Have a Tetrakarn user if necessary.

>>152593863
>Rangda
I'm actually trying to recruit her as we speak.

>>152593767
i dont believe you
AND WHY JAPAN GOT A LOT OF COOL SHIT WITH IV A AND WE ONLY HAVE SOME SHITTY MEDALS?

>>152593953
What they've got?

>>152593767
So 3 dollars budget garbage confirmed?

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>>152593767
They've done some shit in P3 movies as far as I concern and the last of them was a fucking kino. If they will improve their shitty combat animation - it can be AOTY easily, I want to believe you.

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>fighting Alcor
>heals 820 per battle
>Oh, great
>Bufudyne 'cause my demon can't piece his null phys
>ALCOR GETS FROZEN
>MISSES ALL 3 TURNS
>USE MULTI-STRIKE, 3K DAMAGE
>Extra Turn
>Do it again
>Win

Oh my goodness I have never cheesed a boss so hard before

Any videos of the fiends in SMT IV Apocalypse?

>>152592623
>luster candy
Vastly overrated

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>>152594205
http://personacentral.com/shin-megami-tensei-iv-final-pre-order-bonus-list-for-japan/

>>152594963

Well in Overclocked I remember tanking all the day 8th Yuzu bosses and draining them out of mp because I was a shitter.

>>152594963
>not simply using Almighty spells

What do magatamas taste like

>>152600883
Rocks.

>>152600965
what do rocks taste like

>>152601616
a little dirty and hard.

>>152601667
How hard?
Can you break one with your hands, tough guy?

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Just beat DeSu2 for the first time

Should I remove the exp limit or the demon fuse limit? Which one is more important?

What does the demon fuse limit even mean? Does it mean I can fuse a Lv. 73 demon at level 1 if I wanted to?

>>152604836
>Does it mean I can fuse a Lv. 73 demon at level 1 if I wanted to?

Yes. This matters far more than exp limit.

Any way to remove Alice's Ultimate Hit skill in DeSu2?

Also:
Megidolaon/HolyDance/Drain
RepelPhys/Anti-almighty/Victory Cry?

>>152604984
Alright cool thanks

devil summoner when

>>152606429
>Drain
>Victory Cry
Get something useful instead.

Will we ever get fast as fuck combat like Soul Hackers again?
I want a megaten game wtih Soul Hackers gameplay mixed in with P1/P2 story

>>152609318
Nice meme website website

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>>152613221

Hey guys I'm playing Raidou 2 and I want to know my alignment. How can I check and see what my alignment is?

>>152570703
The bestr

>>152614332
I think you spin to show it. Clockwise for law. It doesn't matter though. All the endings are near identical, and if you want chaos you just answer everything chaos. The only actual difference is like one boss in the last area. The endings themselves don't make you look very aligned at all.

>>152614640
Ah. Okay thank you

>>152588027
I think SMT4 is quite a bit worse than Devil Survivor but it does have some charm as a classic style RPG.

The plot in SMT4 is absolute trash though. Somehow worse than DeSu2

>>152588027
Alice is in 4. Don't know about Final.

You don't need to play 4 before Final. Yes it branches off 4 but it changes so much it may as well be a parallel universe. 4 wasn't exactly a storytelling juggernaut to begin with.

>>152616460
What plot? All the plot is in the first and last 10% of the game, and a little i the middle when you meet the black samurai.

>>152587215
>can't kill her in the neutral route
This is the main reason I haven't bothered with neutral, to be honest. Not that replaying the game is boring or the side quest spam to clear it. Just that we can't kill mangaslut.

>>152617240
>last 10%
>any plot at all

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Okay so I murdered the shit out of Jimenez but now Mem thundercunt Aleph is kicking my ass. I'm planning on trying to save up enough macca and just summon a bunch of high end demons to just wreck her.

>>152618110
See you in 6-7 hours.

>>152618110
use exp/macca cheats to speed up the grinding process.

I have played SMTIV, Persona 1, 3, and 4. But I've already purchased copies of Nocturne, Strange Journey, Devil Survivor 1 and 2, and Soulhackers so I think I got way ahead of myself but is there any wrong order to play these games in? Like are there definite games I should avoid? I know Persona Q isn't loved.

>>152619235
Any order is fine. I would say to not play nocturne until after at least one other mainline, but Iv qualifies, and you already played it.

>>152619485
Well a friend of mine suggested I start them all because they're very different and play the one that feels best to me and I made it to my first infamous matador encounter but I was enjoying it I don't think the mechanical side of things are way over my head I honestly have a harder time in Devil Survivor because of the character movement mechanic. I think I got stuck at the windego? I believe it was called.

>>152619235
persona Q isn't love by the P4 crowd because MUH WAIFUS, but is a decent dungeon crawler.

>>152619863
P4 fanboy here, eat shit.

>>152619235
PQ isn't loved because it is even more broken and shittily balanced and easy than the usual SMT game. But it is still fun all the same and great if you like the P3/4 teams. The story is fine and the presentation/dungeon design and music are top notch.

>>152619485
Not him, but why is that?

>>152620358
>p4faggot
>crying about a game being easy and shitty balanced

wew

>>152620560
Because nocturne is specifically taking the normal paradigm of the sides, and turning it on its head. It doing so will lose context if the person seeing it doesn't have a better picture of how they are normally.

>>152620621
>he thinks PQ isn't easy and shittily balanced
Typical SMT babby.

To the anon who sent a help request to dmanufacture, I apologize for taking so goddamn long to respond. My comp was unusable for almost a month and a half, but I responded to you just now anyway.

This delayed my DDS2 work by a lot unfortunately, but I'm back to work on it now. Build 5 (new and playable demo) coming up soon™

>>152620679
So from a story context it's worth waiting on?

>>152620848
Until after playing at least one other mainline.

>>152620679
Guess I fucked up then.

>>152617376
You choose to suffer.
Deal with it

>>152621212
Its not like its the end of the world to play it first. Just realize when doing so that the demons in it are not acting the way they normally do in other games. Since it takes place in a broken world where the sides broke down and who ended up there and what they did was more random.

>>152616460
>>152617240
>ITT: plebeians can't appreciate deep complex aesthetics and flawlessly delivered message of SMTIV

What a garbage place this is, holy shit.

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>>152621895

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>>152621895
I'll give it a pass for merkabah.

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smt imagine pserver

>>152623913
Just imagine

does anyone have the walter minotaur smirk meme pic?

hey its another lucifer casts almighty/almighty/almighty episode

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>>152624295

>>152624979
I meant the other one.

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>>152625051
this?

>>152625118
The one where the minotaur has a lot of attacks coming out of his mouth.

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>>152625192
Did it look similar to this?

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Is max stirner law?

>>152570416
Persona is the future of SMT

>>152626280
That's shockingly accurate: You die in two hits and respawns just cost you money.

>>152626426
Persona is shit.

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>>152624295
Different anon come to save the day

I'm new to SMT. I read the beginners guide, and all I have is a 3ds to play these games on, which would be the better start, 4 or Apocalypse?

Do these play similar to Fire Emblem?

>>152626762
Thx, bby

>>152626426
Can you imagine if Pokémon tried to go a route where all the trainers have 1 Pokemon with 1 evolution except the protagonist. That's Persona.

>>152626790
4. Apocalypse is its sequel.

And no. The only strategy rpgs are devil survivors.

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>>152614412
agree

>>152626762
>+5 shift on to hit buffs counting both sides
>Unsmirked Labrys strike
>crits four times for an insta-wipe from full HP
random chance.

>>152626905
Imagine if only like three Pokeymans evolved. That's SMT.

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>>152626790
hello and welcome blessed samurai

Start with IV and then with Apocalypse.

No.

>>152626790
Devil Survivor and Soul Hackers are on sale on eshop right now for 10bux. Great games. Better than SMT4, but very different in style.

>>152627032
Anybody have the original of that demon hunting image? Shit is gold

>>152627026
Fusion>>>>>evolution

>>152627032
>>152626958
Thank you. I'll pick up 4 tomorrow, and hopefully I can beat it by the time Apocalypse comes out. Thanks guys, hunting demons sounds pretty cool.

I don't understand the hate on SMT4, from lurking here, all I got was that it was Weeaboo trash & >>152627032.

Is it as bad as people say it is, because I brushed off all the memes playing it & played the other games after I beat 4.

>>152627684
Go for neutral ending, chaos and law in this are shit.

>>152628364
Don't listen to this guy

>>152627684
Law is by far the best ending. Even though some of the answers you have to do to get there make no sense, due to atlus' neutral bias.

>>152628324
SMT4 is an alright game, to be honest, and I'm the biggest hater here.

It just has a couple of hugely fundamental problems:

1. It's random as fuck. Smirks and misses are game changers and they are purely random. Combine this with the fact that lethality is incredibly high. No boss in the whole game is likely to survive four turns, and you aren't any less squishy, and you have a game that is almost just a repeat until you succeed-fest rather than a truly smart RPG like EO.
2. There are maybe two hard bosses and they are hard because you're behind the power curve and their movesets are set up more or less to rape you with the swingy randomness. Oh, and they're the first two real bosses. The game craters after that. Nothing stops you except a few enemy sets who will jump/crit/wipe or blast away enough demons that it's quicker to reload than to fight through and recover.
3. The plot is a giant fucking mess. I don't think I've seen a game fumble so many cute ideas so thoroughly since DmC. There's nothing to like here. It's not even a good excuse plot all things considered.
4. This one is minor but Tokyo is absolutely shit to navigate. And this could be helped tremendously by just having names of the map zones appear on the map. It's a giant awful labyrinth that you rely on guide NPCs vague directions to get through, but without map names, signposting is tough as nails. This one's minor, it's totally doable but it is definitely a weakness.

>>152628770
Agreed.

>>152628770
What answers make no sense?

Actually I'm >>152629306 and I agree with >>152629376. Law is the best ending but every choice in favor of law is incredibly obvious. In no small part due to the fact that like the first conversation in the game is "Hi, I'm the law man." "And I'm the chaos man!" and then every other choice is "Law man wants X chaos man wants Y... hrrrrrm."

>>152629376
In IV you have to insist you don't want to change anything. The way its phrased makes it sound like you literally want things to go back as they were. But when the angels get there they change a shit ton. They destroy the class system, get rid of the demonic taint, fundamentally changing the overall mentality in mikado, and set the monastery to work bringing mikado to modern day by reverse engineering technology. Someone playing Iv for the first time with no knowledge of prior smt games could come out of it thinking that the law ending's plan is literally just to leave mikado in the middle ages with a feudal system.

Hell, even after the angels come back and tell you thier plan, jonathan after this says that neither mikado nor tokyo need to change. It sounds like they really wanted to crowbar a binary of change to stasis in where it didn't belong.

So I'm playing the second scenario in Record Breaker and why ia everyone acting as if Yamato was such a great friend of everybody and he's actually being missed.

Did they seriously expected me to like Yamato duing the first DeSu2?

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>>152627534
Found it. Here you go.

>>152629778
The perspective of Law!Flynn is that he is samurai/soldier of the Eastern Kingdom of Mikado, first and foremost. His job and duty as a samurai is to protect the people and follow the orders of his superiors. It's the job of the rulers to change the kingdom, he is suppose to just enforce the status quo they create, not want to change it on his own.

>>152630136
Thanks

>>152629778
It's implied that the monastery were collecting mystic relics for themselves, not for the benefit of the people.

>>152629306
Looking back on it, I have to agree with you on it. I was just getting into the series because one of my friends buys video games without really thinking about it & snagged it off his hands for 5 months. So obviously, all references & memes didn't catch onto me until I stared coming here.

I especially agree on the plot, considering that I only ever finished Law. I'm currently getting Chaos & Neutral endings. The Law ending kinda made some sense but at the same time, was I really couldn't understand the rationale of it besides face value.

>>152629778
>>152630217
I think we're putting more thought into this than Fatlus did.

>>152630217
That still makes no sense. Your leaders telling you that they want to change something =/= status quo. It might be after they change it, but its not how you would refer to it beforehand. When communists talk about how communism will be the "end of history" because one it starts, economic and political arrangements will rarely change again past that time, they don't refer to getting there as preserving the status quo. Because it makes no sense to say it that way beforehand.

Preserving the status quo could be neutral or chaotic if those are the things being done already. If they meant authority they should have said it that way. Even that is questionable in terms of law's moral basis, but at least the association makes more sense.

>>152630389

That's not really relevant. At the beginning its obvious they wanted it mostly for personal purposes. At the end, hugo is faux humble, since there's no power structure protecting him anymore, and he was put to work for the people.

>>152630478
Neutral ending is hard to get. It requires Flying to complete 19 side quests around Tokyo, and summoning Masakado because the NDD and Japanese Gods are that retarded.

>>152626327
aligments are spooks

>>152630478
That's not to say I hate it. Well, I hated it after I finished, but coming back it is pretty charming. Not that I see myself wanting to go back through anytime soon (And I'll certainly charge through with my NG+ grindhaul... even though that feels empty because I'll never approach 100% completion because lol 1/256 spawns get real.)

I liked law ending mostly because I was still smarting that the game asked me to pretend there was some epic dramatic choice where the only two options for Tokyo were cracking open childrens brains and feeding them to demons or else let chaos run rampant world of STR because I'm THAT buttmad about a caste system. You crafted a grimderp world where those are the two options? That's as hokey as muh power of friendship and just as believable.

So yeah, you then give me the choice to just burn the whole mess to the ground as a holy warrior then fuck yes I'm taking that. Fuck your storytelling and fuck Japan. We're gonna make the Eastern Kingdom of Mikado great again!

>>152631052
>im a pansy ass

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>>152631653

>>152631052
I see, I only saw the Law end as "We must cleanse the earth cause we've been tainted just by coming here & everyone isn't worth saving cause they're dirty. Not even us, but at least you'll be a hero.". Well, that's what I got from face value, that is.
Although, I never really thought of it liked that. So, I guess that kinda opened some doors to think about.

>>152630769
19 quests, that doesn't seem too bad. Are we also counting the ones in Blasted/Infernal or just Tokyo Tokyo.

>>152631653
IV's narrative does a poor job of explaining why Samurais of the Eastern Kingdom of Mikado should care about Tokyo. Even Skin and Fujiwara wanted to move to Mikado, even if it meant becoming law drones.

>>152630754
Admittedly, the whole obeying orders = preserve the status quo is just a rationalization I made for myself to make some sense out of it. I agree it is rather flimsy.

>Even that is questionable in terms of law's moral basis
Nah, letting others making decisions for you and obeying authority without question is very much lawful.

>>152631840
That's just atlus' neutral bias. They're trying to obscure the point of law as much as possible. But the real point is that they'll do whatever it takes for the greater good. Happiness will increase, and untimely deaths will decrease in their new paradise. So once tokyo becomes too dangerous to leave around they will get rid of it. And there's no exceptions for who might need to be sacrificed. Not even you or themselves.

>>152631840
Nope, it's 19 side missions in regular Tokyo. They include Nozomi's Quests, The Hunter Tournaments, Photo missions, resurrecting Amaterasu's lazy ass again, and waking up Masakado.

>>152631996
Law's moral basis is utilitarian thinking though, not laws for the sake of laws. The game presents this as lawful since there's a sliding scale of egoism versus big picture thinking, and this is far on the side of big picture. So they present compliance with big picture thinking as similar to compliance with authority, since in theory that's what a coherent authority should lean towards at times where it is presented as a real authority, rather than such as for chaos an authority only inasmuch its everyone for themself and they got themself there so no complaining. The problem here is that while in the ends, the utilitarian thinking is definitely placed primary, it leads to some weird nonsense in the middle at times where you get points that align you with this by just acting like you don't think about anything but orders. But that's not in any way how utilitarians think.

The confusion comes from them trying to take different types of questions and map them all totally onto DnD alignments in ways that don't really work.

>>152631840
That's more or less what it was. To be honest I mainly went with it because fuck chaosniggers and DeSu's Amane end was so incredibly good I was wondering what a tin-eared Atlus law end looked like. I didn't even know I was actually going to destroy Tokyo and it was so sudden I loled.

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What will get me more pussy irl?
Being a lawfag or a chaosfag?

>>152632683
Being mothsexual

>>152632756
i fucking hate moths

>>152632592
I went through Nihilistic/God/Whatever ending cause it was the fastest ending first, didn't surprise me that much cause they told me what'll happen. When I did an NG+ to Law, all I ever felt was, "God damn it, I can never win with this game."

>>152630769
>19 sidequests
Do the Nozomi quests, Picture quests, Hunter Tourney and Deva's Trial add up to that much?

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>>152631052
>We're gonna make the Eastern Kingdom of Mikado great again!
Were gonna build a Purgatorium and Lucifer has to pay for it.

Asshole/Chaotic Law is best Law!

>>152632403
If you talk to the peasents in Mikado on Neutral after you kill Merkabah, one of them tells you he is scared of thinking for himself.

My impresion from the Law route/ending was that the angels would distance themselves from Mikado, but still use the church as their mouth-piece, if it was ever need. They call themselves " the new leaders of this kingdom" and the shene duque cocoon "the eye that watches over EKofMikado... the new Mikado castle" (castle is the place where a ruler resides, you know).

To me the ending was about creating a orderly, peaceful and happy society but at the cost of complete ignorance and all of humanities self-determination.("There is no life, except by following His will.) In the final battle with Lucifer when he starts talking about "seeds of ones-self, which is pretty much self-determination, Merkabah calls it a "vile mockery".

SMT IV did an amazing job at world building, don't you agree?

>>152634532
no.

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>>152634532
Its complexity is almost Evangelion-tier desu.

>>152634798
It's not THAT bad.

>>152634798
>>152636435
>le evangelion is shallow meme
you will understand once you grow up.

>>152636840
Evangelion has it's depth, but not where the fandom focuses on it, which is the faux-religious aspect of it. Eva has a lot of depth when it comes to it's themes about parenthood, for instance.

>>152636840
Never implied it was bad or shallow, pic was unrelated m8.

Maragi

My duty is to build the Millennial Kingdom by God's authority.

Don't try to stop me.

yaso magatsuhi

>>152640734
build purgatory

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Has Raidou 3 been announced yet?

>>152642752
never ever

>>151777043
>IVF Artbook already confirmed this shit is wrong. Nocturne and IV are sifferent universes from I and II

Where is this?

QDS vol. 2 when?

http://firsthour.net/full-review/how-persona-3-destroyed-my-love-for-japanese-rpgs

>>152644469
end of this years if everything goes right.

>>152644697
Fuck YES. The wait was killing me.

Hoy.

Megidolaon

>>152623913
At what % is it complete?

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Man, boss battles in this game are pretty intense. It almost feels like you need to have Starcraft pro player level of APM to make sure everyone stays alive.

There seems to be a game-breaking bug exclusive for the Windows version which nulls the recovery time if you click on the enemy (in the PC-98 version, there was a "Talk" button for negotiations, but in the Windows version you have to click on the demon's sprite to talk to them, and when you do so, the game thinks that you're not in battle and recovers your party members' Battle Wait time), which makes the game much easier, but still.

>>152579143
I want to do her in her Scathatch

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>almost beat Belder
>summons the demons i killed
>get overwhelmed and die

Atsuro was right, this is BS.

>>152654248
That wasn't even the end of it

>>152655731
You shitting me, right?

Persona 3 is so boring.

>>152656969
Even the most beautiful woman is boring when you're a faggot.

>>152656969
That is funny, I find it fun.

>>152657459
>>152657486
I thought you of all people would understand, /smtg/

>>152657595
People can like both

shhhh don't tell anyone

Is there any way to make the save transfer work with dds 1 and 2 on psn?

>>152659974
You mean transferring the bonus from 1 to 2?

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>Polaris' physical form spamming Multi-Strike from across the whole map

This is... disgusting.

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Reminder

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Hee-ho

>>152663192
Why do you hee-have so many different stats ho?

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>>152663389
I think they overdid it when they made all kinds of stats for Giten. There's some self-explanatory old school stats (Strength, Magic, Intelligence, Vitality Agility, and even Charm, which was a hidden stat in KMT2), and some new stats I'm not sure about. From what I've read, Intuition affects evasion rate, Mental increases power of defensive magic, and Dexterity increases ability to master weapons, whatever that means (weapon level up system from SMTIf?).

>>152663389
Also, when you level up, some of your stats are increased at random, similar to Strange Journey.

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>>152661332

>>152666954
Meant for >>152662082

>>152661332
Holy Dance/Deathbound/Multi-Strike the shit out of the main body, forget about the arms

Bufu

>>152623913
Keep us updated anon. I'd love to go back and play it once the private server is up.

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Soul Hackers undub fucking when REEEEEEEEE?!!

>>152677482
Import it, you weeb.

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>>152677725
But I can't read kanjis baka.

>>152661332
>beat final boss
>lol beat every boss up til now
>then beat me again
>you better hope you have drain lol
You should have been ready for this after Devil Survivor.

>>152680271
Kill the gods and rebel against the heavens.

>>152680271
>law or chaos route
>in the original smt
Dude

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There's a cute girl in my new class that has Isabeau's monkey hair.

She's one desk over. What do, /smtg/?

>>152681792
Introduce yourself.

>>152681792
Wake up.

>>152681792
Drop out, pull the curtains, play video games.

>>152682032
No, I mean the law and chaos routes in SMT 1 suck donkey dick.

>>152682032
It's better to reign in Tokyo than serve the great will.

>>152681792
Give her a hug. Then kill her.

>>152681792
Buy her BL manga

>>152681792
Ask her if she likes manga

>>152681792
What hairstyle is that even called, I haven't seen that before.

>>152685894
Pageboy.

>>152685894
>not knowing your Carré
You dare call yourself a homosexual?

>>152681861
>>152681880
>>152682000
>>152682357
>>152682834
>>152682845
>>152685894
The professor went around asking everybody who their favorite author was and when I said mine she turned to me and said "nice."

I'm literally shaking guys I'm still so fucking autistic with girls.

>>152685894
A chinese bob-cut

>>152686243
What did you say?

>>152686243
What is your favorite author

>>152686243
Who did you say?

>>152686243
You literally have zero chances so why are you quivering? Even if by some miracle you manage to successfully pretend to be normal, your autism will be exposed soon enough.

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>>152680271
You don't have to get to lvl 65, that is just for getting your Jesus (ultimate) armor. The best places to grind would be either T.D.L. (the Succubi there give some good exp, but are a bitch to kill) and whatever part of the Cathedral you can acess at this point (killing a high level demon, like a Vampire, should get 2-3k exp easy). The mansions are those tiny houses surrounded by woods on the world map, it's hard to describe but you had to go through one of them already to get to some other place. The guys on the end aren't really bosses, too, and the point of no return is after you kill all of them and go back to talk to Law Hero.

I just got past that part on my current (Chaos) playthrough and got keked out of my Tenma armor because of what I assume is some bug (even though I'm playing with Orden's patch). Hopefully it will work for you.

>>152686243
Screencapped, liked, subscribed, shared, retweeted, upvoted, followed, ....

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>>152686246
>>152686195
>>152686196
>>152685894
Its more like some kind of bowl- and hime cut hybrid.

>>152686457
Speaking of the patch, is Orden doing one for SMT II at some point?

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>>152685894
El justo

>>152686364
I just smiled at her like a dumbass and nodded my head.

>>152686395
>>152686410
Oh no you don't /lit/, you're not making fun of me again

>>152686416
Biological imperative.

>>152687275
No, I'm honestly curious who you said. I won't make fun of you, my interest in literature is pleb tier.

>>152687324
Nah, after you kill the Heavenly Kings and report back to Law Hero, you can't turn back anymore because plot. Make sure you get your armor and finish up whatever sidequests you still want to do beforehand.

>>152687431
Neil Gaiman

The awkward thing is this exact same situation happened last semester with the same professor in a different course and the girl that talked to me last time got very sick of me

>>152687648
See, what are you talking about dude, you have good taste.

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>>152688005
>Also if it turns out the grind is too real, skipping jesus armor is an option?
Yeah, it's the best armor avaiable for you, with very good defense and stat bonuses, but the game is honestly not hard enough for that to be necessary. It looks fucking cool too, although you don't get to see it (pic related).

>>152687648
You gonna introduce yourself to said girl, she seemed interested in your answer.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11062830

black Mark is creepy as shit for some reason. It upsets my stomach to look at him

>>152691772
I voted Kazuya and I'm assuming that's because it's 'King of Bel power level off the charts' Kazuya.

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>>152692872
whoops forgot pic

>>152692874
Kazuya is the SMT1 MC, DeSu MC would be Abel.

>>152691772
>no Naoya

>>152693636
>Protags

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I bought the hardcover... this should had to end like this

Why is it that as soon as I heard Imagine got shut down my desire to play it increased tenfold?
Is this punishment for being born a human?

>>152687648
pleb taste m8

>>152694297
but he's the protag of Revelations: Persona

>>152695069
What would you rather be born as?

>>152695758
God

>>152695823
You can be the god of an ant farm if you want. It's basically the same thing.

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Finally.

>>152695928
I already cultivate spiders. My whole apartment is a giant spider farm.

>Beat most SMT games with little to no problem outside of a few bosses
>Suck so hard at DeSu I can't even beat Wendigo

Should I just kill myself now

>>152698078
Actually I'm in the same boat idk what gives.

>>152698078
>>152698490
Don't fucking spread your skills. Buy as much Agi as humanly possible, those fucking cats, and burn the fucker down.

>>152687761
Thanks friend.

>>152688581
I'll try but I'm awful at starting conversations. And I don't think I can open with "you look like this one monkey girl from my Japanese video game."

>>152695238
I KNEW YOU WOULD DO THIS.

>>152698078
Same m8, I'm a masochist so for my first playthrough I chose Naoya's route and I'm getting my ass kicked on the 8th day right now. The shomonkai battle is brutal.

>>152699336
>you look like this one monkey girl from my Japanese video game

I'm sure you'll be fine, Otacon.
Just say something like "You like Neil also, what do you like". Then once you get to know her, you should then you should sacrifice her

>>152699336
You have a perfect conversation starter. Just ask her: "what's your favorite book by Its Gaiman?"

That's all you need. Talk to her as you would a normal person and all will be fine.

Unless you're fat and ugly, though often at least if you have good hygene it's all good.

>>152699867
>>152699940
I'll try, friends. I'll try my best to get Isabeau gf.

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>>152699336

>>>152699940
chasing girls and being a neutralfag
>not going full chaosfag and embrace the boipucci

Riot Gun

Playing SMT I and about to fight Gotou and then Thor, what is the recommended level/stats to fight and what demons should I recruit/fuse?

>>152704174
Divine Magic Bullet

So I remember hearing some of the PS2 games on psn have some audio/frame rate issues. Anyone know which ones?

what SMT games have the best story/characters?

>>152704174
>>152705112
>Not naming it Ichival (Bow that belonged to Odin)

>>152705249
Ichaival I meant

>>152704992
VIT/AGI for Hero and MAG/VIT/AGI for Heroine.
Demons with buffs/debuffs and healing spells, humans can take care of the enemies.

>>152705249
Nocturne called it Freikugel

>>152705149
DDS for one.

I just beat Camazotz for the second time in DDS. Serph is learning the Hades mantra (recarm), and Argilla is about to finish Fallen Hero (media, posumudi, achedi). Not sure what to get for Gale since I just got him. Are there any good guidelines for what mantras to get for each character?

Are there any good SMT fan games?

>>152705216
We including spin-offs?

Story: II, SJ and Nocturne
Characters: Persona 2, DDS, Devil Survivor 1/2, Soul Hackers

>>152709147
Undertale

>>152695545
All the protags there are mainline though.

>>152712884
>4 mainline games
>implying Revelations: Persona isn't a mainline game

>>152693468
Shouldn't SMT1's MC just be Hero or Futsuo (since that's the name they went with in the manual).

>>152696019
Punch myself in the face.

>>152713665
Maybe, but Hero or Normalfag don't exactly sound like actual names. Anyway, I was just pointing out who the straw poll was referring to.

SMT x Nier when

>>152715541
SMT x DoD would be better.

>>152715541
>>152715643
now which one of these is the aRPG SMT fans want?

Has anyone tried making an SMTxFE fangame yet?

>>152715643
>you will never make a pact with fafnir and status fuck everything

>>152715541
SMT x Nier would have demons only impressed by the amount of children you accidentally killed on the way and all their conversations would be them reminding you that whatever happened on the last quest was actually the most vile horrible thing you could have done and everyone died as a result.

The negotiations, instead of trying to get the demon to just take six life stones and 400 magnetite, would just be your party members crying in fits of grief for ten uninterrupted minutes because boy howdy Nier does not have any discretion whatsoever for crying.

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>>152717535
But Fafnir doesn't have status effects other than Vital/Mind Shut

>>152694798
Was volume 2 ever released in English?

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>>152632683
We already did that poll.

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>>152686243
Is this satire, or is /smtg/s crowd really this bad?

>>152720116
Only /smtg/ would stick shitty memes in after the analysis of the chart.

So I'm a big fan of boss fights, which route is gonna give me the most or best boss fights in Devil Survivor Overclocked?

>>152720420
At least he goes outside.

>>152720780
Are you a fan of some obscure Japanese god that sucks donkey dick or do you want to fight motherfucking Metatron? That should be your answer.

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>>152720740
Virgin detected.

>>152720420
wait until he gets rejected and go full genocide route.

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>>152720915
This image is pretty much the whole reason I'm asking. Which path?

>>152720780
Naoya's eigth day only has one boss for some reason. Amane's is unambiguously better in every way.

>>152721289
You fight Metatron on the Naoya/Kaido/Chaos route.

>>152720780
Amane.

>>152721405
What? Shoving a billion bosses on you at once was one of the reasons the 7th days sucked so bad.

But yeah, if
>>152720780
likes boss battles Amane's is better in that regard.

>miss the Elec Repel skill crack on the day 3 midboss in DeSu2:RB
I mad.

>>152721612
That's not what the eigth day is like though. Amane's eigth day only has a midboss and an end boss. And cool story segments. Naoya's has no midboss. Just dicking around til the end boss. And its story segments basically have no content. They're token ones that add nothing new. Meaning that the last fight is the only real new content. For amane, a ton is new, and shows characters in new lights.

I honestly can't think of a more boring explanation for demons beyond "Man's true desires." Suddenly all the otherworld is is just a bunch of people buttmad over books in which the joke was how mundane and normal the books are or some gay caste system

tl;dr SMT4's plot is utter shit

>>152722040
>angels manipulate people into fighting you
>all battles have to do with this
>many events have to do with MC's reaction to being the king of bel and people's doubts about him
>the issue of killing those that stand in your way or being better than those that attack you
What are you on about?

>>152722040
Amane's 8th day has TOO MUCH content. You really have to reload and see all the events, and they're all surprisingly good. It's really easy to get through it and miss Kaido's optional "First Day of the Trump Wall Construction Border Patrol" battle which is harder than every other boss in the game or helping the falling kid or other cool events

>>152722108
That's not unique to IV. The jungian themes have been around since the beginning. It exists to make it more obvious that the demons represent ideas and ideologies and human thoughts. Which likewise makes it religiously neutral in a sense. The ideology is first and foremost, and the "reality" of the spirit that corresponds to it is secondary.

In a previous thread I suggested Io had no personality.

I apologize for this. Every girl in this game is some sort of screaming damaged psycho except for Makoto and Io.

Io is a sweetheart.

I apologize.

>>152722348
I suppose that's true. But I think another part of it is the failure to appreciate what that means for the setting. It only pops up as a thing in SMT4 for like three or four situations where we need a boss fight and there's no real thematic heft to it beyond that.

Religiously neutral is one thing, but this is more religiously handicapped. You have a compelling pantheon of monsters but suddenly they're not really kinda monsters sometimes, it's all mankind's power.

So everyone has a demon inside us? Shouldn't that be frightening? What is the true nature of humanity then? Something horrific? Is our skin merely a frail shell? Or is it the highest non-monstrous ideal we could hope for? Or is it a step from demon to something greater?

A video game isn't a good place to run these questions, but if you aren't putting something like that in the background then all you've done is removed the otherworldly aspect of demons and gained very little in return.

I mean, it's not even a major thing there's a fucking hellmouth spewing demons in Tokyo too. So we've got it on both ends.

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>>152722189
Yeah. A few generic token events. Compare to:

>seeing the entire world change to a more peaceful tone, and discussion of this.
>tons of conversations with different characters being influenced by the new peaceful tone.
>Angels talking about the greater good, and atsuro's discomfort with it if people die in the process.
>You telling the angels that you actually have a more human way to do the task. And they allow it, showing the messiah improving the system.
>the brand of death
>the reality that despite being well intentioned there may come times you simply have to attack. Angels chew you out if you don't know how to differentiate.
>conversations about tons of biblical lore as it relates to the game, and especially naoya.
>conversations with naoya who is depressed about his plan failing, showing his human side. Which is absent from all other ends.
>you go around saving people and removing their brand of death. Very human heartfelt conversations about what led them into evil, and how they can change.
>conversation about how your power is such that you can even help demons see peace. Even ones born of chaos who have never known it,
>On top of all this western lore, a good telling of shinto lore. Relive a modern telling of the story of how the earth god of japan gave over its authority to the foreign gods of heaven. But here, rather than amaterasu the foreign gods of heaven are literal foreign angels.
>a fight where you're in over your head, and in the last moment naoya begrudgingly comes to your rescue as a big damn hero.
>after the fight he still acts cold. You see even more of his human side, and about how his emotionless exterior is heavily a facade.
>talk about how this process lowered japan's crime rate to near nothing, and how you can repeat it in other countries.

Naoya's end isn't even close. Don't kid yourself. Amane's ending has an almost surprisingly large amount of new content.

>>152723192
So, basically 'look at how perfect this ending is and how there are literally no downsides! even the demons love you!'

I'm good dude, Amane's ending just isn't fun to play.

>>152677482
Literally never.

>>152682965
All the SNES ones, and arguably P1 are the same. I wouldn't advise skipping to P2.

>>152686457
You also forgot to mention they are red, making them stick out more.

I grind in the entrance to TDL, since there's a ... a healer? A warp? Whatever, you can heal easy.

>>152686665
No. Play spic version if able.

>>152687648
Cliche as fuck.

>>152723418
Of course there is a downside. Why would you choose to become one of the strongest beings in existence, just to serve another strong being? Makes no sense when you can just replace God.

>>152705149
u better pray u rnt pal

>>152719546
"soon"

sooner than if

>>152724348
Yeah, that plays into the whole 'not fun to play' thing. If you want to talk about padding and useless, that's what most of Amane's events are.

I could never justify joining her route is the problem, and the angels in Naoya's route had to kill anyone tainted by the demons but are willing you to use you. They're hypocrites and being a good guy serving a bad guy just isn't fun when you can be a good guy and replace the bad guy, as you said.

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>>152724348
>>152724573

>>152724991
Nice meme but God is an utter jerkbag and you can be utterly nicer than him in the Naoya route and serve the same Messiah role. Has nothing to do with muh chaos.

But stay cucked.

>>152724348
Keep in mind that on naoya's ending, you are basically leading an army of chaos demons. You aren't replacing god to get to do whatever you want. You're killing god, and replacing his retinue with a chaotic one. At best you can try to keep them away from earth, but this probably has a lot of bad side effects.

>>152725190
yhvvh is nicer in devil survivor than other games. And you seem to miss the point that "god" means more than yhvh. The standard law answer is tolerate yhvh if hes tolerable, get rid of him if he's not. You can't really ignore that aspect of their side. If you read SMTIIs yhvh into the game, you also have to read in the solution. Naoya's ending is more than about attacking yhvh. Its also replacing the angels with chaos demons.

>>152725367
And, so what? Atsuro's ending shows that demons can be an utter benefit to mankind, which is more than can be said for the Angels. They fuck humanity up whenever they progress too much. It's all how the demon lord uses them.

And you're kidding yourself if you think the Angels would ever follow someone that's not God in Devil Survivor. The angels, outside of Remiel, are filled with assholes. And God is too in Devil Survivor, considering he's willing to kill everyone in the lockdown that he put them in and betray demon tamers when they can't kill the Overlord.

Amane's route is a fucking meme route. There's good Law routes but Devil Survivor is not one of them.

>>152725190
>God is an utter jerkbag
Yes that was a nice meme.

>>152725715
You're right dude, enlighten me on all the nice things he does in Devil Survivor!

>>152725715
To be fair that sort of view comes from Atlus defanging their universe too much while still trying to include religion in it. They have all the nice bits but none of the dangerous stuff, so there's no reason for the rules religion brings.