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/smtg/ - 真・女神転生/Shin Megami Tensei General

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>SMTIV Final/SMTIV Apocalypse information
http://pastebin.com/Xmjsuv0D

Participate in the new /smtg/ sings:
http://collabedit.com/uvwta
http://pastebin.com/dKLqugTC

>MTII translation project
http://www.dmanufacture.com/t-dds2.php

>Starter guide
http://i.imgur.com/zJcYpuE.png

>Tips and tricks
http://pastebin.com/bd3Bgfj8

>Artbook, soundtrack, manga, and other downloads
http://pastebin.com/NqLRYf5n

>New OST links
http://pastebin.com/kLbYxjFU

>Misc. translations
http://pastebin.com/kmMsiz1d

>Booru
http://smtg.booru.org/

>Recommended reading
http://pastebin.com/YppqPPjf

>SMT If... Tips & Tricks:
http://pastebin.com/KiwVr9Vy

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>>151689261
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SMT is for casuals.
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Persona is the future of Shin Megami Tensei
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>>152123813
>>152123895
mamudoon yourself
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Does anyone know how to run Giten in windowed mode?

Chiitrans works with the Windows version, but it's a pain to Alt+Tab the game all the time.
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Bufu
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ded general
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Hoy.
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>Ronaldo and Yamato are both huge faggots
>couldn't get everyone to Fate 4 for Daichi's true ending or whatever
Not really feeling any of the routes in this game, to be honest. Is Not-Kaworu's route any good? I'm tempted to go with him.
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>>152128308
Magaru
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>>152134579
>not liking this faggot
Alcor is basically Lucifer(the best for mankind version not the edgy chaosfag one)
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>>152134579
He has the best route in the game.
>>152137464
>not having good taste
If you're going down the fujo route, at least pick one of the best boys - Alcor or Joe.
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>>152138220
Alcor and Yamato are the only paths I like at all
Only issue I take with Alcor's is that the fight with Polaris is basically the same
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>>152138556
Yeah, Yamato has the second best route, and is basically second best boy with Joe.
Daichi's was fine, but I hate Ronaldo and his fucking stupid routes. Although he was okay in Triangulum.
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>>152138734
He just went full retard again but on the other end of the spectrum
>hurr let's fight 2 billion more invaders
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Oh, but I forgot the worst thing of all, trying to kill Mako
Unforgivable
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>>152138914
>>152139013
And to top it off, he becomes a huge hypocrite if you do his Fate events.

And Mako a cute.
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>>152139710
Makoto a best, when does this even happen?
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>>152140436
In a Fate event in Triangulum (in an Otome one, I think).
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>>152140484
Ah, I never played the Triangulum Arc. How is it? Just realized the other thread isn't even done yet. Why did we migrate early?
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>>152140705
>How is it?
Do you like Rei Ayanami? Because it's basically a NotRei circlejerk; there's also a lot of fanservice. The music and the gameplay were great, though.
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>>152141181
I almost don't feel like playing it, but I want to give it one run threw. Does stuff transfer over from Sept Arc?
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>>152141301
Yes. And you should play it, it's pretty fun and short.
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>>152141619
I guess, what gets transferred over?
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>>152137464
best world strength
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>>152141828
Whatever you choose from the NG+ menu thingy. So, if you choose to transfer demons, your demons get transferred.
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>>152142039
Ah ok. Should I do a run on Sept Arc before diving into Tri Arc?
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Good morning. Anyone mind telling how Soul Hackers is? Probably going to pick it up on sale.
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>>152142476
Yes.
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>>152142476
>>152142702
That is to say is the tranfer bonus necessary? I've already gone through the Sept Arc but deleted the game so I can download other games.

>>152142538
It's pretty great, definitely worth getting.
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>>152142538
Do you like the sound of:
>anything and everything Cyberpunk?
>the best demon negotiation?
>being a Hardcore Hacker?
>synth ambient music?
>one of the best dungeons and also one of the worst dungeons?
>some the best girls in the entire series? Most of which have barely any lewds, sadly?
>a superboss on par with Demi-Fiend?
>being a stylish smug motherfucker the likes of which haven't been seen outside of Snow Crash and other Cyberpunk literature?
Then Hardcore Soul Hackers is right for you.
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>>152141181
best couple
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>>152142879
>>152142982
Sounds great I'll definitely get it.
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>>152142879
If you still have your Sept arc save it's not really necessary. Basically, you get NG+ points after finishing a playthrough and you can spend them on bonis for NG+ (carry over demons, get more EXP, etc.).

And even if you don't, you can still dive right into Tri Arc. You start at level 20 and the game gives you three demons, so you don't need to do Sept all over again. Also, is Soul Hackers on sale?
>>152143119
Shame that she lusts after Bumny's dick.
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>>152124260
>Missed
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>>152143531
that's no big deal, literally everyone else does too
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Is it recommended to start a new save file rather then NG+ for doing another route in SMTIV?
I started NG+ so I could do the neutral route, but it just feels boring with how overpowered me and my demons are, even if I have the difficulty on master.
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>>152143531
I don't have my save, but I do want to do the only one I haven't done. The Anguished One route.
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>>152144223
>tumblr image
>a retard
Why am I not surprised?
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>>152144260
Then do it. It's a pretty great route.
>>152144223
If it bothers you, yeah. I did it once to try out Hard mode and it was just annoying for the most part, mainly because of the compendium prices.
You could also try to fight the Fiends if you want a challenge.
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Can we finish the old thread first?

>>152144492
Sounds like a plan.
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Man, after those 4 extra bosses, Sid and Inaruna were a pushover.

Overall, I like this game a lot. Pretty cool story and atmosphere, lots of demon designs which were used only in this title, great dungeon and battle music by based Masuko, etc.

It's a shame that this game was never released in English. Many thanks goes to Debisama translators for doing God's work.

From what I've seen, the PSP version is superior in every way, but some of the best music sounds better in the Saturn version.
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>>152144748
Just stop bumping it, everyone has moved on.
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>>152145393
It almost died after nothing for two hours until some retard posted
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>>152145393
But why though? There was no reason to merit a new thread.
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>>152145485
Ask the retard that made a new thread before hitting the bump limit.
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>>152143531
>Shame that she lusts after Bumny's dick.
Had to for the parallel. Note that her fate events were basically ripoffs of Yamato's. Especially that candy one, wasn't subtle at all.

Fans would've bitched if she didn't anyway. They wanted femYamato long before it even came out.
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>>152145473
Can't blame them for not noticing the new thread when the old it didn't hit bump limit yet.
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>>152145891
*the old one
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>>152145590
You fags shouldn't have moved into an early thread in the first place. This one would've died unless OP was autistic enough to keep bumping it for 8 hours.
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Let it go, guys. It's over.
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>>152149441
But I just got here and I always have sage on anyway.
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>>152149441
Considering he bumped it shortly before you posted to save it from death he probably would have. OP is a faggot.
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>>152150418
>and I always have sage on anyway.
mah albino
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>>152150521
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>>152150418
>I always have sage on anyway.
I miss visible sage.
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>>152150943
Me too, manually typing "your thread is shit I don't want to bump it" is just not the same.
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>>152151250
It really isn't. So is /smtg/ sagebombing this shit thread? If so, I'm proud of you fags.
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>>152123813
That's why this OP is of Devil Summnoner: Raidou Kuzonoha™ instead.
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>>152149923
I put my bro Kaido to multi-hit him to death, while my MC healed him and drained Babel for MP.

The rest of my team were holding me back, so I let them in the corner after beating the other Bels.
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>>152150943
>>152151250
I don't, sage shouldn't be a downvote. If you want a vote system, go to reddit.
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>>152142982
Who here has beaten the Raidous ?

And who has beaten Beelzebub?
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>>152153081
moot please go.
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>>152153081
I thought you fucked off to jewgle, moot.
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>>152150418
That's why I always shit on the White whenever possible, and do silly bumps.
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>>152155171
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>>152155541
Hoy
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I want to tensei the megami.
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>>152156109
But your megami is not shin!
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Does Magma Axis work with Pierce? It's a fire-phys ability that scales with magic but uses HP.
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>>152156551
Yes, it does.
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>>152157175
I should do a MAG Demi-fiend run one of these days.
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>>152153195
>>152153839
Who?
One of the main reasons imageboards are good is because they have no voting system.
Everyone who uses sage as a downvote is not different from redditors. I'm not saying you shouldn't sage, if you think a thread is shit, the whole point of it is saging when you think that thread shouldn't bump because of your answer, but screaming sage or otherwise feeling the need to tell other people that you've put sage in the email-field every fucking time you sage is pathetic and does defeat the purpose anyways since other people bump the thread just out of spite.
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Ash lost the league. Again.
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>>152157898
The downside is newfags don't necessarily learn about the option to sage because they can't see it. So shit threads and off-topic replies bump when they don't offer anything of value.
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>>152157975
Shoulda summoned some demons.
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>>152157975
>Being surprised
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>>152157898
I agree, now let's get back to the megaten stuff.
>>152157975
/vp/ on suicide watch?
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>>152158279
That's true but it's not really a sekrit klub feature, newfags should at the very least read the FAQ or kill themselves right back into whatever shithole they came from.
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>>152158573
>newfags should at the very least read the FAQ or kill themselves right back into whatever shithole they came from.
As ideal as this would be we both know that's not happening.
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>>152157242
It's pretty fun but TDE is hell with a Mag build.

>>152157975
Time for Pikachu to reset levels and lose to the new region's starter.
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>>152145279
I need to get around to playing this, the plot seems pretty cool and the dungeons bumping it above SJ
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Playing SMT IV right now, got enough for the MP recover app is it worthwhile? 40 app points seem pretty steep for me at this point in the game.
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>>152160754
Yep.

If you buy all the upgrades, you will pretty much never have to worry about the MP-usage of your party ever again.
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if... Translation when?
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>>152161049
After the Maken X sequel.
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>>152161049
when you can crush rocks with your hands
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>>152161257
SMT x Resident Evil rock destroying contest crossover when?
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>>152161025
Alright thanks. Any other apps recommended? Just beat minotaur
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>>152164201
The scout apps are really good and probably the Summon Discount apps.
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>>152161049
I hope Gideons little sister catches aids and his mom gets gangraped by gorillas
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>>152164201
Get all fundraise, scout, and slot apps
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FUCK when will the smt imagine private server be finished
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>>152164946
I wish someone completely re-balanced it to eliminate the ridiculous grinding, and made it more like Raidou games.
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>>152164820
>fundraise

Seriously? Can you get a lot of macca through this? Like, moreso than just scouting a demon and then selling whatever they give you then dismissing them?
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another question, does talk xp boost give you xp from using talk options like fundraise or ceasefire?
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>>152157975
All those delusional Ashfags have been btfo.

I bet his shipment with Serena will also be torn appart.
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>>152166605
>bind demon
>have fundraise +
>get all the money it's carrying while it can only watch and cry
>get rich and become World of /FA/
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Hoy
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>>152166605
Yes, Fundraise and Scout upgraded can get you a lot of macca from demons.
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I DONT WANT TO FIGHT THIS LOVE
volume 2 when
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Strange Journey arguably has the deepest characters in the entire series
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>>152172147
How so?
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>>152172647
>alignment characters have fairly deep and complex motives for choosing their path unlike every other game in the series
>based bro neutral characters like Gore and Arthur
>bro sacrifice from Arthur outshines every other bland character in the series
>Mastema is an intriguing and morally grey Law character, while the Chaos characters are now willing to take moral highgrounds instead of just being evil
>Red Sprite crew are way more interesting and fun than the stupid teenage casts of previous games
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>>152172886
a route in SMT V where everybody who says bro or comfy is genocided
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>>152173098
SMT V
will be a game where you play raido and get transported to another dimension where you fight against mercenaries with luck locust in their foreheads.
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>>152173098
The guys in charge of SMT Apocalypse made it clear that they're making games for a new generation of players. Since Apocalypse features a focus on bonds, it's unknown if the alignments will come back
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>>152173643
Keep in mind that SMT is also based on tradition, so they aren't going to stray too far from previous entries.
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>>152173643
>>152174339
So P5 is really the next SMT?

woah...
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>>152174746
I'm not going to tell you whether you are right or wrong, but I'd like to ask you how the hell you came to that conclusion? Did you respond to the wrong people?
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>>152174746
try harder (You)
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>>152174746
yes
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I think I overdid offering piggyback rides.
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Can someone explain to me why it is that If... and Persona take place in the same timeline as the Devil Summoner games?

Is there evidence to suggest that or is it just a fan theory?
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>>152138220
>Joe
Joe is flaky, and has a girlfriend. Are you supporting NTR, anonymous? That may heavily impact views of your opinion. Yamato is the only DeSu2 character strong, and WORTHY enough for the MC.

Make the right choice, and choose Yamato.
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>>152175912
It's his fault.
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It's been a while is there some sort of requirement for the AO route in DeSu 2 RB?
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>>152153189
I beat them on the hardest difficulty; Ogre Slash - or whatever - can eat my asshole.

I believe I used Kali, Xi Wangmu, Mitra and Huang Di for the fights. Kali was basically Tetrakarn spam, Mitra was Makakarn spam, Xi Wangmu was healing, and Huang Di did whatever.

Fights can be summarised as
Makakarn
Makakarn
Tetrakarn
Makakarn
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>>152176843
Oh wow, thanks.
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>>152176954
Do certain Daichi/AO events and give him the right responses when you decide to join him. Look up the details on google.
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>>152177070
I've only beaten Beelzebub so far, and it was a pretty long fight.

Outside of his 2 almighty attacks in one turn, and the occasional spell that insta-killed one of my buffers, I did fine against him with all the buffs for my party, physical users and my Nemissa spamming her unique almighty skill (I only got Overlord after beating him, so I might have been underleveled).
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>>152175912
Isn't catherine canon to persona 3?
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Will we ever get fast as fuck combat like Soul Hackers again?
I want a megaten game wtih Soul Hackers gameplay mixed in with P1/P2 story
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>>152179821
Which difficulty? Are you using the alignment hack? Which demons? Have you been utilizing mitama? You're really going to want to have some max AGI *karn users on your team, otherwise you're going to have an exceptionally bad experience with the 4 battle marathon, but even then it's a bit of a crapshoot.

As per most SMT entries, the most efficient way of fusing Mitama is sorting the demon compendium by price, and then buying the cheapo low-level demons for elements. I believe the elements are made by beasts, fairies, jirae, and avatars, but I haven't played forever.

Prepare to have Victor's dialogue burned into your fucking brain.
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>>152180092
Some interview said that the Vincent cameo is only a look-alike and not the real deal. Not to mention that Catherine and Persona taking place in the same universe would mean that there is an habitable space colony nearby which I think is very unlikely.
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>>152181340
So the same lookalike appears in persona Q?
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>>152179628
Got it, thanks.
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>>152181340
A look alike who tells you about his problems that happen to match like the first half of Catherine's plot.
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>>152175912
As it is an alternate universe where the demon apocalypse never happened thanks to Raidou Kuzunoha XL, it is revealed in Devil Summoner 1 that ambassador Thorman dies of a heart attack, and colonel Gotou is arrested.
After the incident in SMTIf, the female protagonist, Tamaki Uchida, appears in Persona 1 and works part-time in the Kuzunoha Detective Agency in Persona 2.
After the incident in Debisama, the real Kyouji Kuzunoha never got his body back and he jumps from body to body depending on his needs. He appears in Soul Hackers as Sukeroku and in Persona 2 as Daisuke Todoroki.
Tsutomu Kurouri, a character from Persona 1, is a nephew of the police officer "T-Shirt" Isono from Devil Summoner.
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>>152181452
>>152181692
They're both meant to be cameos and nothing more, not-Vincent in P3P was a tease at Catherine a year before its announcement, he has a mole that the real Vincent doesn't have.
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>>152180945
Hard and with the alignment hack.
I really can't recall which demons I had, I only remember having Kali. But I never bothered to fuse Mitama because I did just fine with what was my current party at the time.

I plan to complete my NG+ run in order to be fully prepared though, so I'll keep your advice in mind.
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>>152182148
Yeah, Kali is a great demon, but I only used her (And Mitra) because I wasn't using the alignment hack. Garuda has great AGI, and can easily get both *karns (via fusion materials), so I'd suggest looking into Garuda, if you're not already using him.

Zeed is - of course - a great option, but I never used him because you can't have a Hero demon, and Zeed, due to the former consuming the doll.

Good luck in NG+, and make sure to pick the proper dialogue options for that GOOD END.
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>>152123475
Those capes really look neat and comfy. I'm envious.
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>>152124979
Alright, so I managed to get this thing working.

If anyone else wants to try the Windows version of Giten, here's what I did (I'm playing it on Windows 7):

1) Copy the contents of the CD to your hard drive (I used Daemon Tools for mounting the CD Image).
2) Download and install the bug fix patch. Extract the .exe file into "ddswin" directory and run it via AppLocale. In the patch installation window, choose する options, adjust the Battle Wait slider (I haven't tried any battles yet, but for now I've set it to 50; it has something to do with your CPU speed, so do some experimenting), and if you want to, check the DDS font flag to use the half-width font from the PC-98 version. Click on the lower-right button to apply the bug fixes.
3) Create a shortcut of dds.exe ("ddswin folder"). Right-click on the shortcut and select "Properties". Paste " NormalPlay ShowTitle Window" command at the end of the "Target" field.
4) Download DXWnd for running the game in windowed mode. Run dxwnd.exe, and drag-and-drop the dds.exe shortcut to the DXWnd window.
5) Download Chiitrans Lite and run ChiitransLite.exe. If you want, you can add additional translators to have more translation options, choose the font size, and other good stuff. Browse for the dds.exe shortcut and click on the "Connect" button. Select "Use Locale Emulator (Windows 7 and later only)".
6) Play the game!

You can find this instruction and the download links in the pastebin below.

Please add this to the next OP:

>running Giten Megami Tensei in windowed mode with Chiitrans:
http://pastebin.com/T6KkHxW7
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>>152187939
You're doing YHVH's work, Anon.
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>>152187939
Good job, anon, shame it's in such a mess.
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>>152188776
>>152189037
Thanks. It's not the best thing ever, but hey, at least it does make the game a little more comprehensive and less confusing. Plus, you don't have to change your locale to Japanese to make the font display properly.
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>>152176954
>>152179628
You don't need any to do any Daichi event, just answer correctly to what he asks and get him to Fate level 4.
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Are you trying to escape?
Desertion is punished by death!!
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>>152194632
I've already desserted.
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>>152194632
I have a job now.
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Hoy
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What hacks should I run in Soul Hackers?
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Hee
Ho
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Which SMT game have the most Bleach Tier ending?
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>>152201736
Wait Bleach ended?

Was the ending good or bad?
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>>152201853
Nothing gets resolved besides shippertrash if /a/ is to be trusted.
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>>152142538
It's better than SMT4. But most things are.
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>tfw no more games like DDS
I hate fusing
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>>152201853
Rukia's daughter is cute
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>>152202153
>I hate fusing
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>>152202153
Disgusting
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>>152202153
Fusing is pretty gay. It's mostly busywork
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>>152187939
Oh, forgot to add the link for the bug fix patch. Oops. As a little bonus, there's also a demon compendium program in the archive.

>running Giten Megami Tensei in windowed mode with Chiitrans:
http://pastebin.com/V2VS2pqg
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Okay halfway through Devil Survivor 2 Record Breaker only to find out the choices DO matter.

Who is the lawfag so I can salvage at least ONE ending from this game?

>>152202458
That's the most important thing.
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>>152203462
IDK, go with Alcor's ending to save yourself.
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>>152203462
>lawfag
Ronaldo. Alcor's ending is better.
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>>152203462
Are you in Septentrione or Triangulum? Anyway, the routes in DeSu2 are different as they're not 100% chaos or 100% law.

Ronaldo wants to create a world of equality, but does that in a pretty chaotic way. Yamato wants a chaos-like world (he wants to create a meritocracy), but wants to do it in a pretty lawful way.

Technically, the only true chaos route is Alcor's (which is also the best route in the game).
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>>152200664
That's not something with an objective answer.
It all depends in which things you value most, and how much you want gimp/cheese the game.

Maybe the save anywhere, talk with dark demons and get extra items hacks could come in handy.
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>>152201736
DeSu2 Daichi Route and SMTIV Apocalypse Bond ending
>>152201853
Yes, and Ywach was revealed that he wanted build a new world free of death. Ichigo chose neutral instead of Law route.
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>>152204758
I was wondering if they were fixes to game design flaws or not. It seemed weird to give what seem like cheat abilities for free.
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Just finished SMT IV, now I can finally understand all the memes you guys post.
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>>152204690
Sept.
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>>152205024
Go full Yamato then. Ronaldo is just pretending to be lawful just so he can spite Hotsuin.
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>>152204845
>DeSu2 Daichi Route

I mean, it's a pretty upbeat ending, but it's nowhere near Bleach's ending in terms of quality.
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Playing SMT IV for the first time (first real SMT in fact). What order should I try to get the endings in?
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>>152205251
Fine, SMTIV Neutral, Persona 4 normal endings.
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>>152205468
Do you want to 100% the game? If you do:

White -> Neutral -> Law -> Chaos
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>>152204992
Law ending is best ending.

If only because the plot is an absolute pile of trash.
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>>152205947
Mikado, Madmax Tokyo, and Devilman Tokyo were great. It's Regular Tokyo and Yakuza that were shit. Mastema should've been the one in charge instead of retard NDDs.
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Hey /smtg/, I'm an anon from /feg/, my first SMT was Devil Survivor 2 - Record Break a few weeks back. I thought it was just okay. Anyways, it's prequel Devil Survivor 1 is on sale, I have $14 on my eShop account, should I get it? I'm debating between it, and Cave Story, as Cave Story is one of my favorite games of all time.
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>>152206721
gb2/feg/ faggot.

But first Devil Survivor 1 has a really good story and is certainly worth a playthrough after RB.

Cave Story might be better bought on Steam but it's fine on any system. That said all purchased copies are funding Nicalis not Pixel.
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>>152207170
I have Cave Story on Steam, also own it on Wii, only version I don't have is the eShop version. I have 3D version too.
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>>152204853
Ah, you mean the hacks that you get from tapping the touch screen.
Well, in that case those are hacks to add convenient features and make the game more accessible to a wider audience (aka: casuals). Just use anything you want really.

The game is not hard, but you can enable hard mode to make it a more fair challenge.
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>>152207427
That's some srs Cave Story faggotry.
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>>152207762
Like I said, one of my favorite games. I own 4 copies of my favorite game of all time (Path of Radiance). Own the U.S. version, PAL version, Japanese version, and another version solely for if my U.S. copy breaks, I can still play it.
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>>152187939
B A S E D
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Is the Neutral Route in SMT4 just a route where you go through both Chaos and Law's final dungeons+bosses?
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>>152208345
You also have to do every sidequest.
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>>152208345
Yes but you don't get to kill Isabeau sadly.
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>>152208345
It's the route where you get shipped with best girl Burroughs.
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I like this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCgLyIfweeM
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>>152208856
>fucking sluts when you could be purging the unclean like a true samurai
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What if Ash was a SMT protagonist?
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>>152209127
>Tfw I like Devil Survivor 2 The Animation
Was my introduction into the series. I didn't know the series existed until SMT x Fire Emblem, and, I found out there was an anime for DeSu2, so I decided to watch it. Eventually played the game, and loved it.
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>>152209378
He'd die at the first demon he sees.
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>>152208664
She's an indecisive neutral fag. Monkey doens't need to be killed off in Neutral cause she wasn't extreme like Walter or Johnathan.
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>>152209378
He would be like Hero, but his game would actually end after he fails to save his hometown and they poke-nuke his country.
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>>152206721
Buy desu, pirate cave story
You are cfw'd, right? You didn't actually BUY fates, did you?
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Hoy.
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>>152212571
But then why not just pirate both?
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>>152215085
Because SMT is actually good, and it's better handled.
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>>152215492
DeSu is better but FE Headpats is better than SMT4
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>>152215934
>Headpats
not in the western release
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>>152215934
>Headpats
Woah now, let's not talk about anything inappropriate.
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>>152215492
Why don't you just buy SMT IV and Style Savvy 3 instead?

Don't you want to be part of the World of /FA/?
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>>152216240
But I did buy SMT IV new, and then ripped it. Probably gonna trade it in eventually.
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>>152216240
Is Style Savvy 3 gonna be worth it? I never finished the last one
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>>152215975
>>152216080
FE Censorship then
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>>152216240
>tfw i wanted to buy Style Savvy and SMT IV A
>forget about the relase of SS until today
>already pre ordered SMT IV A and wasted the rest of the money

FUCK
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>>152216240
>>152219968
> Style Savvy
Is this actually good or am I getting memed on?
What is the appeal? I know nothing about the series.
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>>152220142
It's a charming game where you dress people up in fashionable clothes, buy more clothes, dress yourself up, and see little goofy story segments between the main cast. Almost everyone is grinning constantly and almost aggressively nice to each other. It's charming, and a little unnerving at times... the amount of niceness. It's like you're playing SMT and law won and you are in a perfect sinless paradise and instead of dressing everyone in matching armor you array them in cool clothes.

There's a demo of the newest game.

But really the main appeal is the exact same dressup shit you did in Dragon's Dogma or other games when you crafted muscle girls or pedobait only here it's /fa/ clothes of all sorts and you'll be able to make all sorts of cool outfits.
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>>152220142
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMbndbWfC6Q
Just look at it man, is the perfect complement for SMT
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>>152221480
There is a 2? I need to get this.
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>>152219968
Foolish. SMT4A will go on sale a LOT sooner than dressup game.
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>>152222384
b-b-but the pins!
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>>152221480
>>152220950
wtf? I want this game now.
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>>152222384
Lies.

Dress up game will sell out after the 5 neckbeards and 3 little girls who are fans of the series buy all the copies they shipped to the retailer stores. SMTIV:A will still be there, either new or used.
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did that anon find his cat
or did his grandma die?

>>152222336
it just came out, unless ur a euro
dont forget to play the ds version too
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>>152223810
Not even the best hoy shipping
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>>152223136
Yes, so they will drop the price and it will go on sale while Dressgame will keep its value.

DeSu and Soul Haxors are $10 constantly now, not to mention the EO games.

>>152222995
Try the demo.
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Final dungeon of SMT4A is apparently an hour long massive nondescript room filled teleporter maze. lolol this thread will be such fun in September.

Should it live that long.
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>>152224264
My cat came home, she got out somehow. Dirty, buy ok. I'm with my grandma right now. She's off life support and she's expected to die sometime in the next couple days.
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>>152225874
Cant be worse than eridanius
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>>152225874
According to a certain someone who has played it's actually not that interesting.

>>152226634
Eridanus isn't even bad.
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>>152226621
Hey at least you got your cat.
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>>152226952
Yeah. I'm not stressed now that I managed to get where I need to be. Nothing I can do about my grandma.
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>>152226785
That sounds interesting to you? I figured the consensus would be boring, bloated, incredibly tedious, and pace-destroying.
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>>152227095
Where do you think you are?
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>>152227053
Are you gonna be able to see her?

My dad died, and so did all but 1 grandparent without me seeing them. I'm not sure which is better
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>>152227236
Probably depends on how close you are to the person. Don't wanna be the dude who only showed up because they're gonna die.
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>>152227095
It sounds like it could be better than IV's dungeons, but from what I've read the dungeon is just big and not actually well designed. Which is a shame.

>>152227236
I just saw her about an hour and a half ago. Don't think she recognized me since she seemed barely conscious. Missed out on seeing my mom before she died, saw my gramps and grandma from the other side go. It doesn't really make a difference.
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>>152227550
EO and TMS#FE both have had strong dungeons since SMT4 but all I'm hearing about 4A is the dungeons are now shit and huge rather than tiny corridors and quick.

>>152227236
My mom and grandmother didn't want me to see my grandmother in her deathbed. It might be better not to in some ways.

I'll fire up a prayer or two for ye and her.
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>>152227713
Unfortunately neither of those games are Megaten, or mainline for that matter. So that doesn't really speak to the future of SMT. EO is good stuff though and unfortunately for #FE I don't believe that gameplay is all that matters in a RPG. But yeah, heard the same about IVA which is disappointing. IV's dungeons were shit and uninteresting but they were short at least. When I first heard they had made larger dungeons in IVA I was hyped, but after hearing more about it I'm thinking it's gonna be a slog in a similar manner to Tartarus.
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>>152228507
TMS#FE isn't branded SMT but it certainly has a strong SMT game design influence.

But yeah who knows what's going on any more.
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>>152229362
It's called Atlus x FE now so it's no surprise it has influences of Atlus games.
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Dekaja
>>
Xanadu
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>>152227550
IV didn't have dungeons, though.
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BURROUGHS
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>>152123918
I want to marry this adorable female human
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How long on average is SMT3 around what character level does the game end if you play it without overgrinding? So far everythings been going smooth I havent had to grind much. I just finished chasing that damn Kaiwan.
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>>152239568
Pretty fucking long.
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>>152240459
Whats a sign that I've reached half way into the game?
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Is Persona Trinity Soul any good? It has a great soundtrack, but is the actual show any good?

Picture unrelated.
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>>152227095
>one of two dungeons in the entire game that could deserve the name dungeon
>That sounds interesting to you?
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>>152241736
No, it's mediocre and Atlus contradicted it themselves in the next game because of how nonsensical the plot is.
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>>152242351
So I may as well just listen to the soundtrack and save the time?

Picture unrelated again.
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>>152242460
Yep.
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>>152242485
K, thanks.
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I met Shoji in DeSu OC.

I think i'm in love.
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>>152244442
She's a bit character in the main story. I think she gets a bit more screentime in one of the 8th Days.

She has no lewds that I could find. I need them badly.
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>>152244691
Does she get any art at all?
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>>152244992
I don't know. But I might have to eventually resort to lewd drawfags to get some for us, if none exist.
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>But really the main appeal is the exact same dressup shit you did in Dragon's Dogma or other games when you crafted muscle girls or pedobait
But you can't make your characters anything like that, and character creation as a whole is very limited.
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>>152244442
I forgot who Shoji was. Was she the uh, the clued-in reporter right?
She was pretty good.
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>>152246929
Yeah, her.

>She gushes over Gin

I should kill the bastard.
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Hoy.
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>>152234601
WELCOME! TO THE CATEDRAL OF SHADOOWS
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>>152250863
WHERE DEMONS GATHER
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Hoy.
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>>152245353
You'd be doing a service for all of us, Anon. YHVHspeed.
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Hoy.
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>>152253387
https://youtu.be/kR6pxe8jaMs?t=2m30s
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Dekunda
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>>152260695
Thanks for finally getting rid of those Devil Survivor fans.
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Lunge
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What went right?
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Damn, almost all the downloadable OSTs are down.

Maybe it's time we upgrade to MEGA.
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>>152263959
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>>152263959
It was alright.
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>>152264191
We will always survive.
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Tarukaja
>>
Root of evil
>>
+++++XXxDeD-SmT-GeNxXX+++++
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Magarudyne
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I it worth playing Digital Devil sagas with the undub?
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What's up bitches
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>>152270937
English voice cast is good, but if you want to then I guess so.
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Is it worth playing any of these games?
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>>152275015
I thought there'd be more blackjack and lilims
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We have fallen from God's grace.
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>>152276182
You mean God has fallen from our grace?
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>>152270937
Only the first one has an English sub and japanese audio done right.
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>>152277823
I guess I should go with dub then, to keep it consistent
>>
SMT x Style Savvy when
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V_rAW0tku0&list=PLD47E2F9DB3524C41&index=18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QigkvxL4tP8&list=PL7CAC8F163FA15817&index=12

Why is the music Raidou games so amazing? It sets the tone perfectly.
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>>152263959
Smooth gameplay.
Great soundtrack.
Interesring characters.
Original routes.
Buttblasted edgelords.

It's still watered-down Eva in concept and style, but I love it for what it is.
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>>152142538
Just beat it last night actually. Very fun, especially if you like a 90's cyberpunk style. Also not as long as most SMT games, so you can get through it pretty quick. Some of my friends couldn't get into it because they didn't know much about how SMT games play, but if you played an SMT game before you should be fine.
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>>152280814
While it's definitely a departure from the previous games and I can understand why some Japanese fans might have been disappointed because of that, I get the impression that Kaneko, Meguro, and the whole team just had fun with the Raidou games. If Kaneko is truly done with SMT, I think it was a relaxing sendoff for him aside from SJ, just a more lighthearted set of games.
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Does anyone have that SMT depth chart where it judges someone based on how many SMT games they've beaten? I'm pretty sure the first few levels were insults and then the other levels were basically being insane, it was humorous.
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>>152282425
It's "hunger chart". And yeah, here you go.
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>>152283514
Thanks! Knew depth chart wasn't the right term, but I didn't remember what it was called.

>mfw after last night I now blow...
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>>152280772
I'm dissapointed that none of the hoyposters have posted THAT image by now, even though I shilled SS with Hikaru on purpose.
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>>152281309
I found the low-res 3D graphics to be amazing.
Those in combination with the music made the game quite a ride.

Exploring the art gallery and the garden in particular felt great.
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I'm glad /smtg/ is alone on a friday night
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>>152290781
sorry I'm heading out in a bit
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>>152290781
friday nights are for lawfags
>>
ONE
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>>152294324
>>152290781
Friday nights are for rejecting Gods.
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>>152296201
Saturdays and Sundays are to reject god.

Fridays are for dancing furiously.
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Nocturne and Devil Survivor are basically chaosfag: the games. What is the lawfag equivalent?
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>>152300243
I'd say DeSu is more lawfag than anything, since Amane's route is the best law route.
What about SJ? II? IV?
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>>152300687
Overclocked's official box art is the Naoya ending. Take from that what you will.

SJ's endings all suck other than neutral. Same with IV. II, I agree with, yeah.
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Tertrakarn
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>>152305415
Bufudyne
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>>152305551
*repels ice*
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>>152306102
*smirk*
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>>152306169
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>Devil Children outsold Nocturne
this is why Not So Cozy left
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Rakunda
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>>152310929
Dekunda.
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>>152310929
God's Judgement
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Mind Charge
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Megadolaon
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Oh its you again.
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>>152315605
What is this demon trying to convey?
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>>152317046
>sucking dicks is fun
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Has anyone got a kmt save file where mt 1 is complete? I want to play mt 2 but I lost my mt 1 save.
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How do you pronounce Tae's name?
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Does anyone have the pic of Jack Frost telling the player to crush the rock with his bare hands?
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>>152318463
I pronounce it like Tay. Not sure if it should be pronounced the Japanese way though.
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>>152318834

If it's Tae in the Japanese version too then it's most likely "ta eh".
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>>152318463
Tea
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>>152319039

>あさくら たゑ
>たゑ

The fuck is this?

>>152318834
>>152319207

It's pronounced Kichou.
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>>152318463
tai
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>>152318463
SMT nendoroids when?
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On a different topic, what happens when you bother Gotou with the Foxtail too many times?

>>152319436
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Hoy.
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Titania confirmed racist.
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>>152319957
he get angry and give you some items
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>>152322686
Neat
>>
Marin Karin
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>>152325084
Lightoma
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>>152326064
Riberama
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>>152145279
>Many thanks goes to Debisama translators for doing God's work.
Have they posted any word lately on how the patch is going, if at all? Don't want to bug them about it since I'm content to play with the script (got about halfway through, need to get back to it), but man I would love to just play this in English 100%.
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>>152326864
its dead jimmy
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>>152322545
No, asians are her fetish.
>>
Jiang Shi demons in SMT when?
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>>152322545
Don't kinkshame Titania and her yellow fever
>>
So, I'm thinking about buying a SMT2 repro cart off of Etsy. Is this a good idea?
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>>152328063
lol no
>>
I don't have any friends, but I do have Tomodachi Life. Should I make an island full of MT characters and share their shitty adventures?
>>
>>152328063
buy a original one in ebay for... like 10 bucks
>>152328358
can you make them suffer?
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>>152203462
It's hard to classify in this game but most people consider Ronaldo to be Law and Yamato to be Chaos, with Daichi being the neutral route and Alcor's route going off the rails.

Ronaldo is a fucking garbage character though and while the writiers love to suck Yamato's dick he's at least interesting. Alcor has the best route in the game though.
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>>152328894
It's a Nintendo game, so I doubt it.
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>>152328063
No. Save your extra dollarydoos and get a flashcart if you want to native hardware that shit. Repro carts are (typically) made with EPROMs, which have very short memory life spans. Like... couple years, tops. It's a total waste of money. EPROMs aren't intended for that type of usage or long-term memory. Any reprogrammable board suffers from this, and the vast majority of repro carts are made using reprogrammable boards. A reproduction cart is a novelty and nothing else.
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>>152326864

>>151928197
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>>152318463
Tae.
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>>152172886
They fucked up one thing on the Chaos route right after you kill Gore. Jimenez was complaining about how Zelenin hypnotized Jack's crew, but then he does the exact same thing to your crew. He should have just killed them right away, would have fit more with Chaos, too.
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>>152210210
She attacks you, then kills herself. I dindu nuffin. I even tried to help her during her dialogue choices, but that just made her angrier.
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Gaea Rage
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>>152334129
Bufudyne.
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>>152336238
I thought the exact same thing when I saw that. I guess the game kinda tries to make sense of it by saying that the crew has actually "awekened" and attained true free will, and are no longer restrained by logic and stuff, but it still felt really weird.
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I can't find a working iso of SMT on PSX. Could someone give it to me? Please?
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>>152341136
PSN
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One month AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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Makatora
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Is there any point in completing all of the Case Files in a first playthrough of Raidou 2 when you can't even complete all of them the first time you play through? Aren't there are NG+ Case Files you can only get from going Chaos in the first playthrough, and you're better off completing all of them on the second run? I think I asked this before, but I'll ask again: do you keep your compendium from the previous run into NG+?
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Recarm
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>>152351453
Recarm was cast.
Nothing happened.
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>>152349089
I guess no one played Raidou.
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>>152343528
I'd forgive this design if we actually got Nocturne Thor in the game. Of course, we didn't.
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Diarama
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>>152345937
It's been awhile since I played it, and I didn't mess around with case files too much, but I'm pretty sure yes to everything you asked.
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>>152343528
Fuck, I've been hyped since January.
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Oh my fucking jaundiced Mr. Clean, what is up with this SMT IV DLC.

I just scraped my way through the first three, and if I dump another eternity into fusion gymnastics, I could maybe squeeze past this Gaea Rage Sanat bullshit but fucking hell I do not have the demonic recsources to handle this neverending stream of fusions necessary to fuse the mandatory arcangels and shit needed for Masakado.

This game was so damned easy, I just didn't bother fusing up my party because at no point past Medusa was it necessary. It's like crashing a kindergarten track and field event and getting shipped straight to the olympics.

I get the strategy required, I just hate what a timesink this process is.
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What's /smtg/ opinion about Persona 5 being downgraded in order to be able to run on the PS4?

Do you guys think that SMT V on PS4 will also suffer downgrade or by then Atlus will already be noticed how powerful the PC gaming market and port it to PC?
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Is DDS2 more interesting than the first one? I finished 1 quite a while ago and found it a bit boring.
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>>152363682
I can't say whether you will like it, but it certainly isn't boring.
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Should I get the hard mode DLC for Apocalypse? Pirating it, of course. Alternatively, what other DLC should I grab? I'll get the Stephen DLC, too
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>>152364962
Alright. Maybe I'll appreciate the first one more after I play it.
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>>152363682
Yes. Hard mode alone makes it more interesting, but it also has a lot going on in terms of its OST and story.
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Damn, I thought Keisuke was pretty cool until he went complete madman.
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>>152349089
Finish the game on Chaos route first,,then complete the Case Files. You keep your compendium for NG+.
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>>152354553
>he cant appreciate slick Tokusatsu-style designs from Doi
pleb
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>>152361564
SMT V will be NX exclusive anyway, so I don't really care.
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>>152354472
We only play Persona 3/4 here and pretend we like SMT games.
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>>152371794
>playing games
>even pretending to like them
This is why the White were right.
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demi-fiend is for sexual
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>>152361564
>PS4
Nigger PS3 will be a definitive version, there is no point in even considering getting PS4 port of this in the first place.
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Why do people pretend that this actually looks okay to them? This is Trigger-level of disgusting, at least P3-P4 took themselves seriously.
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>>152375591
How do you mean?
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>>152375591
Because 13 yr olds and manchildren target audience love style over substance shit in their games.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo3qDvU-UI8
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>>152376332
>posting meguroshit in Koduka's general
kys yourself
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>>152376475
>betraying the impeccable SJ soundtrack for some nu male 3DS shit
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>>152375591
I'm so torn. The characters and story look fucking horrendous, not sure about the gameplay, and I'm just not a fan of the entirety of the Person series -

but being able to look at and spin those HD demon models is so goddamn tempting.
WHAT DO I DO /SMTG/
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>>152378247
you sound autistic, you have bigger problems.
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>>152378247
Play Nocturne, its 3D and got a better models when played on PCSX.
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>>152360615
That's normal. RPGs, especially SMT, tend to require a LOT of grind and very little sklill.
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>>152359470
The disappointment you feel will be legendary.
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>>152375591
>SMT
>taking itself seriously
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>>152123475
In DeSu2, does Boost and Amp stack?
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Translation when?
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>>152383008
I believe it does, yes. Speaking of DeSu 2, does anyone have a Fates guide for RB?
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>>152379910
>SMT, tend to require a LOT of grind and very little sklill.
"I grinded for matador" the post
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>>152378169
>>impeccable SJ soundtrack
Ayyy lmao
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>>152379910
EO doesn't, but it's better than SMT in nearly every regard except plot, and some games lose out to it in plot (lol SMT4)
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>>152379910
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>>152385548
Forgot waifus. SMT has EO beat for waifus.
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>>152386174
Wouldn't be so sure, buddy.
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>>152387078
That is not an EO waifu.
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>can't kill Isabeau on neutral route
I have to do all these fucking retarded tedious side quests and you can't even reward me by letting me kill Isabeau. Fuck you fatlus
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>>152387274
But it is.
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>>152387468
thats etna you dumb nigger
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>>152134912
Can't wait till them books make everyone in Mikado into Demons on Law thanks to Hugo.

You fucking piece of shit.
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>>152144456
That image is from here actually. Looks like someone uploaded it there.
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>>152175912
That timeline is shit anon don't rely on garbage.
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>>152378169
Shitposting must be subtle bro.
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What's up with the ending to digital devil saga? Why did sera and serph merge into a futa? What is nirvana? Who is God?
I am so confused.
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>>152393334
It's Hinduism

Look up Ardhanarishvara, Nirvana and Brahman and go read up on some shit
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>>152394292
SMT is 2deep4me, is Hinduism common knowledge in Japan?

>>152391593
Is that a reference to Sati, son of a fisherman?
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>>152391593
Is this taken from an emulator or something? The resolution is larger than the 3DS version but image quality doesn't look like it was stretched from a resize.
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>>152394881
>is Hinduism common knowledge in Japan?
That is a really good question, actually. Hinduism is not a common religion there, but it did spread over to Japan over a thousand years ago and had a big part in forming their culture, so they have some common gods and concepts (that's what they are referencing with Krishna in Apocalypse). I can't tell whether this means the average nippon citizen will have an easier time understanding why Serph and Sera are a futa now than a westerner, though; would be cool to hear some opinions from locals on the game.
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>>152396994
waifu2x magic
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>>152354553
what wrong with it? its not medusa level of bad
>>152380697
FUCK YOU
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>>152397710
ah thanks
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>>152371591
shout your wore mouth, i dont want to buy another nintendo system just to play smt ;_;
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>>152375591
>P4
>serious
Heh
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>>152380697
>implying I haven't spoiled myself already
I'm hyped because the game is SMT IV-plus with some tolerable animu story and new stuff added.

I'm aiming to get the maximum edgelord ending first anyway.
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>>152371420
>>152397781
You misunderstand - it's just that the Nocturne-version of Thor complements Apocalypse while the older designs work better together
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>>152401910
I'm a retard, wrong pic. At least it's a bump
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Anyone here done with Final? I got some questions about demon recruiting. Are there more questions than in IV and less random answers, like in SJ?
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Iku Yo!
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>>152405697
Are you on your way?
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>>152406068
I'm coming.
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>>152406321
Let me know when you arrive.
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>>152407209
>tfw it is also one of my main's catchphrases
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>>152401910
Holy shit, I could never figure out how to do these crosseye images until this one. Thank you for fucking up your post anon, I'm off to /h/
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Can you chat with the bosses, or jew them out of their money in SMTIV Final? Wanna try that out on Inanna
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>>152407660
Are there /h/ magic eye pictures?
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>>152401910
>>152402120
>>152354553
Does Thor even play a big role in Final?
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Mirai is shit
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>>152410498
Is that time again?
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>>152410902
Time to accept the truth.
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Is a all Luck build good in Raidou 2?
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>>152411393
but of course thats the main plot
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>>152411393
>not maxing luck in every SMT
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>>152159692
Eh, a mag focused demi-fiend gets to abuse fire and ice breath early for easy kills and stuff like force boosted wind cutter is fun lategame.
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>>152203462
The answer is always !Kaworu.
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>>152241736
Whales and genderbending and drugs and akihiko being on screen for a minute and boredom.
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I want to fuck Mirai
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>>152412126
It's fun but doing TDE stuff is hard with a Mag build. Fighting Lucifer is some shit with it.
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>>152412792
he did it!
the absolute madman did it!
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>>152413012
>doing TDE stuff is hard with a Mag build
>what is drain
You're retarded. Never expected much from STR-plebs anyway.
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>>152413405
Pretty damned sure Drain doesn't exist in Nocturne.
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>>152413518
Did you even play the game?
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>>152413518
Lol
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Why is DDS so good?
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I just kinda lurk here/don't really post too much, but a friend of mine from this board here may have passed away earlier today from suicide.

I guess I'm a wreck since they were a very close friend of mine, so just post some smt related images if you could please. Thank you.
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>>152413405
What? Mana Drain? It's the only Drain Demi-Fiend has.
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>>152416494
I'm so sorry to hear that anon.
I hope it gets better.
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>>152416649
Doesn't he get elemental drains from the late-game magatama?
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>>152416494
Try not to feel too bad.

Seriously though, hope you feel better in time. Try to think of the good memories you had with your friend, maybe play a game from a general he went to in his honor.

>>152416297
Jammin' latin rhythm
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>>152413015
I'm always lurking, Anon. Waiting for SMT4:A to satisfy my hunger.
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>>152416649
Wow no shit sherlock...
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>>152417072
i hope it does too anon

for all i know maybe the attempt failed and theyre in a ward or something. its all i can hope for now. i have to keep believing until proven otherwise

i wish i could talk to someone about it but it would be very hard explaining to people irl about the circumstances

>>152417706
thank you anon

they were from /smtg/ i mean. i just cant stop crying my eyes out right now. she even snail mailed me a 3ds that she doesnt use anymore so I am going to play SMT4:A in her honor when it comes out.
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>>152417089
>>152417802
Yeah, but it isn't even remotely useful vs Lucifer.
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>>152416494
Well fuck.
A friend of mine died not too long ago in a bad way, so I can sympathy with you.
Try to not let the bad thoughts consume you, and let this be a reminder for you to live life at its fullest.
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>>152418074
that's really heartbreaking anon
it will get better, trust me
just do something in their honor and take it as a reminder anything can happen
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>>152418538
>>152418985

i'll try my very best. thank you for your kind words.

i am going to try to go to bed now since i have to work tomorrow and pretend that im okay even though this is all going on. its going to be a long day tomorrow. i think in her honor ill promise to stop by /smtg/ more often.

thank you guys for the warm words
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>>152420354
Remember to punch YHVH in the face for her if she went either Neutral or Chaos
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>>152420950
that was one of her favorite pictures but i cant seem to find it, could someone post it please?
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>>152421057
This?
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>>152420354
Remember to play many ATLUS games to enhance your /smtg/™ experience.

>>152417706
Law Hero is such a jerk.
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>>152421278
yes its perfect, thank you anon

and thank you all for everything, im going to try to do my best starting tomorrow.

>>152421560
ive played a fair amount but i still need to work on a few, namely smt4/smt4A
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>>152416494
That fucking sucks. Best wishes, Anon. Remember, Let's Positive Thinking.
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>>152418318
Lmao@your life cuck, thanks for proving that you never actually tried Mag builds in SMT.
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>>152418074
If you find out they're OK tell them you love them.
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>>152370757
Thanks
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>>152361564
i only have a ps3 so i dont care
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>>152361564
Given how good TMS looked on WiiU, I trust Atlus to deliver the goods on Persona 5.

The artstyle of this weeb shit doesn't need TOO much graphical fidelity. And Atlus has shown they can do a lot with very little processing power. Persona Q and their EO games looked absolutely great even if SMT4 only had like two colors.
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>>152416494
that file name triggered me
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>>152418074
>she even snail mailed me a 3ds

I would wait awhile, and if you still don't get confirmation maybe send a letter to her?
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>>152423253
havent been able to sleep right now but I'll try my best

>>152426324
even if its unrequited i really do care about her a hell of a lot

>>152430954
yeah sorry i named incorrectly, brain not firing on all cylinders right now

>>152431116
i think thats a solid plan
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>>152432024
Similar experience happened to me two years ago but we went to school together since middle school. He was a Dragon Age fag (strictly origins) I now have 2 tattoos in the works one Dragon Age Tattoo for him (pic related) and Nyx from Persona 3 (pretty much sharing that second part because this is an SMT thread) look anon, my friend took his own life and maybe not enough time has passed but here and now typing I'm still crying about it, idk if it ever gets any easier you just live and learn to forgive them for it. But if there's anything I learned from him it's that you can love people in an instant or for a life time and you might feel very very very much alone after losing someone like this but you need to understand there are complete strangers out there you haven't met or may never meet but those people think you're valuable and worth loving and they don't even know it yet. What I mean is anon, you'll carry this with you and you'll try to smile and for a while you'll feel different but eventually these things can become strengths but only if you allow it to grow into something healthy through loving yourself and allowing other people to love you and loving them like you loved your friend.
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>>152432024
I had a internet friend who lied and said he killed himself (it "was his brother" on the account). It's not the same situation but I remember being pissed, even though one of my irl friends who knew him as well and I figured he was a shit. Until you get proof it's kind of hard to process.

Of course, this was like in 2002 or some shit, so I dunno punch her name in to Facebook or something. I guess I'm saying stalk the shit out of her to find a sign of life, or...
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>>152433963
Nyx Avatar tattoo is very much not finished only had 2 sessions, might update later here.
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Post best Hero art.
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>know three casualries
>one reads books, becomes a demon, kills everyone in his village
>another wants to summon demons to destroy the Eastern Kingdom of Mikado
I'm not saying ALL Casualries are trash and should be put in their place, but at least 66% of them do.
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>>152434482
forgot my pic

>>152434194
pic also qualifies here
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>>152434194
He looks ready to slap your demonfu's ass.
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Playing Devil Survivor 2: Record Breaker and there's this Ghost Q faggot on day 3 when I'm alone. Is this normal? I thought Ghost Q was a NG+ only challenge in the first game. Is it worth taking this shitter down and can I do it alone?
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>>152434482
Yeah, I'm not really a classist (I know a few casualries myself), but I think that we should side with Navarre and make them leave; preferably to Kiccigiorgi.

Make Mikado Great Again
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>>152434634
Is this /smtg/'s Vayneposter equivalent
>>152434684
What did Hero even do before the apocalypse? Was he just some random student?
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>>152434830
He also bouight coffee for his mom, and took his doggy for walks.

He also had a crush on his neughbour aka law heros gf
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>>152408282
No - I just saw his face in a trailer. You can fuse him, that seemed to be it.
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>Isabeau takes all fucking game to decide what she wants to do
>Still doesn't figure out that destroying Tokyo is the best course of action to save the world
Dumb fucking slut probably spent the whole game reading manga.
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>>152407660
Yeah, this is the pic that got me into it, too. It's a neat picture as well.
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>132 posters
>our threads are always almost dying
explain this /smtg/
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>>152435026
I just want to make sure Hoyposter lives a happy life
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>>152435026
Rename them to Persona general.
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>>152434830
He was a normal student and an expert hacker.
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>>152435026
Sadly, there's not much to discuss until Apocalypse comes out or a new SMT is announced.
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>>152435026
I post from my home PC, from my work and from my phone; and sometimes my internet loses its connections and resets my IP. This thread is literally just me and you.
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>>152435382
delete this
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>>152434634
>mfw realizing that Navarre is so worthless that he can even die as a ghost
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So far Giten is pretty good. The battle system is a little unusual at first, but I got a hang of it pretty quickly. What's really cool is that they mention Steven, Thorman and Gotou in-game and in the manual.

Also fuck, I need to fix character names translation
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>>152437307
u translatin or running some google translate thing on the side
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>>152437792
I'm running the game through Chiitrans with ATLAS translator.

See:
>>152187939
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>>152187939
Updated the pastebin with correct character names translation and some useful links:

http://pastebin.com/5qaYUwQi
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>Apocalypse has five difficulty settings
Which one do I go for? I fear the hardest one might be utter bullshit
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>>152438583
oh neat. im too tired to process that right now tho
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>>152440061
Someone must find out; so we can all jump right into it or avoid it until NG+.

Be the hero this general deserves.
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>>152440641
I'm Europoor though, so I'm dependent on someone dumping the cia for the DLC since Atlus thought it a great idea to make the fucking difficulty settings DLC. I would if I could
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>>152440641
I will start a game in the hardest one just to call you guys scrubs
and bitch mid game because i got my ass fucked
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>>152441081
I hope you don't reveal which difficulty you were playing on.

Your plan sounds fun.
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Is apocalypse out in moon?
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Does anybody know what that Apocalypse DLC with the previous protags is about?
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>>152443367
Since february.
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>>152444483
Shit I should get on that.
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>>152443716
You are in an alternate universe where all the SMT heroes fucked up badly and died like little bitches. Stephen brings them all together, makes them dungeon crawl through some maze, and then he fights them to test if they ever deserved to be demon summoners and prove to him that they deserve to get another shot at life.

Hilarity, a nice challenge, and memes about the SJ protag ensue.
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I've played Nocturne and just finished Persona 3, which game should I play next? The original SMT or Stange Journey?
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>>152446428
I'd say Strange Journey.
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>>152446428
I'd say SMT I.
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>>152446428
SMT 1 if you enjoy old-style dungeon crawling. SJ if you want a more modern dungeon crawl.
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>>152446428
I'd say play nocturne again, it's the best one anyway.
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>>152448115
demi-fiend-nocturne is that you?
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>>152446428
play smt 4
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>>152448454
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Hi, guys! I've been on an SMT Binge lately, and I want to get back into the games after I restarted my SMT1 play. I never finished DDS, and now that I've lost my data, I might as well start over. I fucked myself over with skills on my old file, so how can I avoid that going forward? I primarily use Gale, Serph, and Heat.
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All of the colgate guardian bosses in persona 3 so far are complete bullshit. Every time they take advantage of something you can't control at that point in the game so it turns into a huge RNG fest hoping they don't use X attack.

Who tested this and said it was okay?
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Live.
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>>152423721
>this guy
Instead of being retarded, elaborate. Why is Mag good or even useful when TDE and vs Lucifer?
Here is (You) all you did was prove that you never played any games.
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>>152433963
that's the gayest shit i've read in my entire life. smtg is truly the homoest general
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>>152454714
you ever been to /pg/?
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>>152435327
>Not much to discuss
>Only like 40 games with dozens of ports and remasters
>Hundreds of characters, many of which are deeply connected to the roots of human storytelling since the dawn of recorded history and that represent several philosophies and schools of thought from around the planet

Maybe we'd have something to talk about if you losers played a real SMT game.
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>>152453956
>"n-no you!!"
>namefag
Never expected less from cancer
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>>152456712
>law vs chaos
>real philosophies
kek
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>>152456712
It's same shit every game also you can't discuss alignments without that annoying neutral fag killing the discussion by posting walls of text that no one bothers to read
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>>152451201
please respond
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Please, ATLUS
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>>152459340
>No Hero and co.
Put it in the trash.
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For DeSu2 Record Breaker; Dub or Undub?
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>>152459879
Undub. The dub is a heaping pile of shit, sadly.
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>>152444994
>SJ protag didn't make it
no fair
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>mfw commander Nishino has to kill his zombified son and wife
Oh man, I already can feel the psychological trauma this game has to offer in my bones.
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>>152459340
>reverse image search the picture
>first result
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>>152461259
I agree. They should've ditched Flynn and give him a chance. Or go with the meems and make him a support item dispenser.
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>>152461525
Is that a Japanese meme too?
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>>152283514
When does Mastema say that line? "But you're not the type to give up, Lord YHVH"? YHVH wasn't even ever referenced in SJ, was he?
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>>152461525
>a support item dispenser
explain this

is it because enemy demons keep begging you for items in SJ?
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>>152462918
Because if you go luck you get shitton of items and it's more effective to just use lots of items during player turn than to attack.

I mix it up with status effects guns because I swear the hitrate of atatua effects in SJ is 90%. Rock Bullet ohkos everything that doesn't outright blocks gun.
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>>152459879
Dubs better in my opinion.

But I'm biased because I only really like dubs
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>>152464313
Even if you only like dibs, how can you enjoy RB's dub? Especially with characters like Io, Fumi, and Miyako having awful voices.

Not to make a witch hunt, but I assume that you haven't heard the original, which is far better IMO.
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>>152463628
Huh, I always thought status to be pretty shit in SJ even though I'm a big fan of it in EO.
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>>152463930

I'm seriously considering just importing it. By the time it comes out I'll have been seriously studying Japanese for a year. How difficult do you guys think it will be? I still have yet to play any MegaTen games in Japanese for any significant amount of time. Kind of wish I had gotten Persona 2 now.
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>>152465646
Are you insane? At least on your guns they hit every time, like it's not even funny. You can literally end immediately every Search demon that doesn't block in some way gin in one rock bullet and you'll get forma that sells for a lot. A LOT. You'll be singing lodsemone by the end of sector C and uae that thing in which you fuse demons, dont save, take a picture of the password, reser and register them multiple times to keep demon sauces.
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>>152466024
>fuse demons, dont save, take a picture of the password, reser and register them multiple times to keep demon sauces.
That's basically cheating, no way I'd do that. SJ wasn't that hard, there's no reason to cheese it
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>>152466354
How is it Cheating? It's your demons, your sources and using resources in the game and you ultimately pay a price in macca, which you have to obtain within the game. It's "cheesing", but by no means cheating.
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>>152461259
Shoulda been in Tokyo chump!
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>>152465862
You won't be able to understand much of it, so just for wake for the US version and get ready to import P6 and SMT V.
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>>152466832
I just don't see how it's fun to cheese the game.
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>>152467084

I mean, I've played through a couple of other games before and understood them (excluding a good deal of nuance no doubt) and it was a while ago that I played those. Plus it seems like most things will be in text boxes so I can take my time with those
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>>152467343
It's fun to understand the mechanics of the game and use it against it. It's playing with the game itself, it's a different kind of fun.
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>>152467652
Removes the need for strategy, though, when you can just cheese battles.
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>>152468004
Not so much it's just a few skills. Sauces don't carry THAT many skills. You can't use Vouvire's double Dyne sauce on top of Amut's Victory Cry sauce at the same time and shit.
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You can only fight Demiurge in NG+ in SJ right?
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>>152468706
Yup, the whole extra dungeon is only available in NG+
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>>152468870
>whole extra dungeon
Well that's much more than I thought there was. When does it become available?
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>>152468979
I forget, but I believe after a new quest in sector H, I think, where you get the 3rd door search forma, which unlocks the entrance to Another section in Grus.
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>>152467084
>>152467348

Would the Persona 2 duology be a good benchmark? I wouldn't be able to finish them by the time P5 comes out but I'd still be able to finish them and get P5 before the English release.
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>>152469991
I played EP in Jap, and it honestly wasn't as hard as P4, but that's mainly because P4 uses more slang than EP.
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I wish Salvation weren't so broken. It's so good that you can't go without it.
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>>152470978

Well considering slang is an ever changing beast I think I'll just have to look it up as I come across it. I bet playing P4 in Japanese might not prepare me for the slang in 5 considering the different setting and time. Although, I am surprised to hear P2 is easier but at the same time glad.
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>>152461950
It's from ActRaiser.
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Scathach makes me rock hard
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>>152459879
Dub is pretty good

>>152465075
Are you mad? Io's ENG dub is literally the cutest voice in the entire game
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>>152473098
I want to receive the friendship of her thighs.
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>>152471078
You can't use Salvation outside of battle and conaumes MP like a madman. Mediarahan still has its uses.
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>>152473372
>Are you mad?
Why would I be?
>Io's ENG dub is literally the cutest voice in the entire game
"Well, that's like, your opinion dude". Jokes aside, it was grating at times because of how high-pitched it was, and it was clearly trying to imitate the Jap voice. You should listen to Io's Jap voice - it's way cuter than her Eng voice IMO.
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>>152459879
ENG dub is pretty good, I can't think of a single bad voice imo other than Ronaldo (who's only subpar because Cam Clarke seems to exaggerate every line he's given)
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>>152473983
He was fine. The ones that weren't so good were Io, Fumi, Jungo, and Miyako.

Daichi, Yamato, Airi, and Otome were good. Everyone else was just okay.
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>>152473098
Same.
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>>152475078
>>152473098
>>152473554


In DeSu2

Is there a specific ending/route I should beat in the Septentrione arc that will allow for an easy transition into the Triangulum Arc?

I don't want to be confused with the story
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>>152451201
Firstly, most people only use Serph, Gale, and Argilla, and end up never using the other two members. Cielo is useless in DDS1, and since Heat is more phys-oriented his MAG is lacking, which results in weaker magic attacks from him and him taking more damage from magic attacks. However, if you were doing just fine with him, continue on, just switch Argilla in from time to time.

Onto skills: Get Mutual Karma on all your party members ASAP. Basically allows non-active party members to get all EXP from battles. The other Karma only gives them half of battle EXP. There shouldn't need to be any explanation on why having all your party members around the same level is a good idea.
- Focus on getting party members their element-skill tree completed first, instead of going all over the place with elemental skills (i.e get Serph Bufu, Heat Agi, Gale Force, etc. You'll usually want to at least get up to the -dyne, if you can't get to the ma-(ELEMENT)-dyne). If you want resistances to the element they're weak to (removes weakness, enemies don't get extra press turns), go through the skill tree they're weak to (so have Serph go through Agi, Heat Bufu, Argilla Force, etc.). Only focus on other elements if you have extra time to do so/don't need to get any other crucial skills. HOWEVER, do the first tier of each element for each character, just to get all the elemental shields (you'll need them).
-Go get some hunt skills, if you're planning on consuming enemies to max out mantras faster.
-Get buff and debuff skills, I think they're in the same branch as Hama and Mudo
-Get healing skills on the party members you're going to use most often.

Will continue in next post.
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>>152475353
>Cielo is useless in DDS1

Not if you wanna beat Demi-fiend
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I'm about to start up Persona 2 IS. I remember hearing people say it was easy so should I set the difficulty to hard? Also, what's the general opinion on the original music vs the remixed music? I know a lot of people liked the original soundtrack of P1 better and were mad about the inability to switch back.
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Should I fight Ghjost Q in DeSu2:RB or not?
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>>152475353
With the exclusion of the elemental skills, buffs, and shield advice, I'd say focus Heat on Phys and Hunt skills instead of magic like everyone else. That's what his build is more geared for (low magic will render him learning any other magic skills nearly pointless). Use sense when choosing skills (i.e don't go for only Phys and Hunt skills and leave him practically useless when you get to bosses or certain enemies that block/resist/absorb/reflect Phys and you're going to use him).

If your Serph is a Phys build, don't use Heat, as you don't need 2 members with strong Phys and weak element. If you're going for Mag with Serph instead, using Heat is fine.

>>152475487
I know that, but he's not doing a NG+.

>>152475598
You can switch between the Original and Remastered in the menu. Either is fine, but I prefer the original Knights of the Holy Lance.
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>>152475931

Yeah, I think I'll switch between them quite a bit just to hear all the different tracks and get a change of pace. It'll certainly help keep me from getting tired of certain tracks since I'm playing in Japanese and it'll take longer to get through than it would if I were playing the English version.
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>>152475487
>he is only useful for one NG+ exclusive endgame boss

Cielo is useless in DDS1.
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>>152475172
The Triangulum Arc starts from a non-existent ending, that combines the best parts of Anguished Ones and Daichis best route. Picking one of those is as close as you can get to easy transition between the Arcs.
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MOST UNLUCKY FOR YOU!
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>>152478208
Hm okay, thanks, guess I'll beat the Triumphent ending before hitting the Triangulum arc
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So how many aliens are available in the new SMT x Ben 10 crossover?
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>really, really like Yamato but hate his ideals
>Ronaldo is just okay and his lines of justice are extremley cheesy but his route appeals more to me
>pick his route
>Yamato continuously calls for Hibiki to come back to him, and wants to kill your team just for him, he ends up saving everyone and is crushed beneath a tower

I feel horrible
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>>152480640
You broke him into resorting to being full yandere. He had it coming.
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>>152478803
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>>152480640
>Administrator it's constantly erasing stagnated worlds to create new ones
>let's create a communist world!
Reminder that Polaris deleted Ronalduh's world within a month
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>Innocent Sin doesn't have NG+
>not even in the remake

Guess I'm not going in blind as usual. How difficult is it to "100%"? Should I just use that spoiler free guide off GameFAQs?
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>>152485494
Use the guide on the page of the PSX version, you will miss a lot of stuff using the guide you mentioned.
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>>152485942

Oh really? That's a shame cause I like HTML guides better. I guess they didn't add any extra content in the IS remake?

Also it seems the guy who did that PS1 version guide put an updated copy of it on the PSP page so I'll go with that then.
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I FORGOT TO SAVE IN CATHERINE FUCK
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SMT x TGT
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Is Giten translated already?
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Die everyone!
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>>152496904
No!
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>>152497213
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>>152497556
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First time playing SMT IV; I'm level 23

I basically restructured my entire team to kill the level 75 mini boss at the shrine and got one of the "three sacred relics"

Is this helpful anytime soon or did I fuse my David for no reason?
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>>152500210
It'll be helpful but not until much later in the game. There's a quest you can get from a demon later where collecting all of them gets you an item that lets you fly.
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Debilitate.
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Heat Riser
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Who would win in a fight, smtg? True demon hitoshura or true god nanashi? Up until now everyone passed off hitoshura as the strongest megaten hero. But that was only at the hint of him breaking through the boundaries of the world to destroy god. Nanashi does it for real. And ends yhvh (at least as far as the universes in his central finite curve is concerned) forever. In that ending he even does it without needing friends, to show just how great his power has become.
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for anyone interested, there is a smt imagine private server in the works. there has been some good progress so far.

https://discord.gg/3y9XS
https://discord.gg/8Brfj
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>>152510980
No thanks, I like to play good games.
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SMT sale on PSN when?
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>>152511418
DeSu sale on the european eshop when?
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Is there any NG+ extra content in Nocturne that is worth playing again?

I know that you can get an extra press turn.
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>>152513579
Take the true path, anon.
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>>152459879
i need to finish gundam
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>>152485494
>>152485942
>>152486987
>not using both
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Your daily reminder that uriel has pierced balls.
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>>152517061

Why would I?
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>>152518986
Thanks for reminding us!
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>>152520419
What else do you need to be reminded of?

Wait, I guess that makes no sense. You couldn't know if you didn't know.
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I'm playing SMT 1, is there any reason to save the incenses because it says they also heal to full life (only usable out of combat tho I think) but I haven't' really run across any situations where I would need to use these for that purpose, should I just pump these into my main character aside from the magic ones?
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FUCK I'm a chaosfag at heart but ol' Gabby makes me want to be lawfag. How do I stay true, fellow chaosfriends?
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>>152521637
Play nocturne. There gabriel is pseudo chaos.
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>>152521637
Or II. Its law ending is obviously not chaos, but you get to kill yhvh with her on your side. Which is LIKE chaos.
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>>152521873
Problem with that is the law ending in II is dumb as fuck.

>kill most of the planet, then kill God because lmao he's bad too
>...am i helping anything?
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>>152521582
I'd put even the MAG on Hero, personally.

Just don't use them on Law/Chaos.
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>>152522064
>...am i helping anything?

Humanity. All the demons are dead and Aleph is the only authority figure left to lead the people in any direction he likes. Remember the people in Eden are all lawfags, they will obey without question. Its pretty awesome.
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>>152522510
Was ~95% of humanity REALLY that bad, though? Even assuming we kill off all the edgy chaosfags, which is still horrible, are all the normal dudes that bad?
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>>152522064
The law ending of II is near unanimously considered the best ending in the series. Even chaosfags like it.

The point is that you approve of the idea of a structure of order in the name of peace. But yhvh wants it to subjugate everyone. and you want it for the people's own benefit. So you play along long enough to set it up, and get a chance to turn on him in the last moment and take it out.

The further step back is that you are blaming him for having to cleanse earth while still thinking its necessary. Because you are blaming him for being behind the reckless events that led to the current stage in general. and he simply gives no shits since he sees people as pawns. Whereas zayin is severely anguished over the idea of having to kill people in exchange for world peace. So you're trapped in a situation where you think doing so is right to get to the world peace. But for yhvh, who is immortal and led to the situation all along, you pin him as at fault. You do what you have to, and satan says his role is over and turns to dust, and the people are left with a new peaceful world.

>>152522683

In the neutral ending the weapons dealer points out that his wares are still needed. Implying that in law they would no longer be. Neutral people aren't terrible, but the point is that they do lead to strife. Even lucifer admits that law's plans would end most strife forever. The amount of people left alive on the surface is relatively small in the big picture. You're planning for countless generations in the future, not working to protect a small handful in the present. The game even emphasizes that there's nothing particularly special about the people who were chosen other than some abstract capability to be mentally well attuned to the new world.
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>>152522963
take him out*
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>>152522963
>The law ending of II is near unanimously considered the best ending in the series.
I would not say this, and it is an absolute stretch to say it's the near unanimous best ending. There would be a lot of people that support TDE, for instance.

The law ending is just pointing at YHVH for the horrible thing that you're doing and making him take responsibility for the horrible thing you could have stopped at any time. YHVH also states he will come back if even one person believes in him.

But no, I can't support an ending that kills innocent people even in the supposed name of world peace. Since we don't see years in the future, we don't even know if the plan works. For all the shittalking about chaos being violent and Lucy being a dick, in II the chaos ending is relatively peaceful and Lucifer actually cares about humanity and demons coexisting.
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>>152523432
>I would not say this, and it is an absolute stretch to say it's the near unanimous best ending. There would be a lot of people that support TDE, for instance.

Sure. TDE is well liked too. But its a little too obvious. It was made to be a super ending. II law flows more naturally.

>The law ending is just pointing at YHVH for the horrible thing that you're doing and making him take responsibility for the horrible thing you could have stopped at any time.

Except no, because the point that you are accusing him for is more nuanced than that.

>YHVH also states he will come back if even one person believes in him.

Well, he didn't say even one. And while this is true, and the game does gloss over it, in interviews they point out that yhvh is not inherently evil, but is a facet of something wrong with the world in general. So by that logic, the analogue of him born in the law world is presumed to be more pacified, or at any rate something far enough off not to matter. (see below).

>But no, I can't support an ending that kills innocent people even in the supposed name of world peace.

All endings result in innocent people dying. Law's entire point is to MINIMIZE the deaths and suffering. And to ask you whether you are willing to act to do so. Is it really anything but self righteousness to choose more suffering just because it is "indirect?"

>Since we don't see years in the future, we don't even know if the plan works.

The moral crisis of the ending isn't really about whether it will work. Its presented almost as a given. Even lucifer more or less confirms that laws plans will work. He just doesn't agree with them.

> in II the chaos ending is relatively peaceful

He's less explicitly aggressive in II, but remember that getting in lethal fights is still a staple of demon contact in it. And he kills most people on the surface with the kuzuryu and offhandedly points out that the underground going to it will lead to more strife.
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>>152524108
The point isn't just that demons bring strife, but that its already in the world in general even in neutral. When you hear a story about someone kidnapping someone and murder raping them to death, don't you think that creating a world that ends that type of event forever would be worth a few sacrifices? War and famine are common even in our world. These things are all implied to be more or less absent in law endings.
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smt2 law ending
10 out of 10 beads
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>>152524291
i preferred smt2 chaos ending actually, its a shame that neutral was more canon than chaos according to nocturne, but i think it could have gone either way
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SMT2 Law and Chaos endings are so good that the two main endings in Apocalypse are, literally, just their improved versions with Neutral paint.
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>>152524702
>the two main endings in Apocalypse are, literally, just their improved versions with Neutral paint.
Tell me more. I've been (passively) avoiding spoilers since I've been away from vidya for a while now. I don't care if I'm spoiled, but at least use tags for other people if it's major.
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SMT IV white ending 10/10
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>Except no, because the point that you are accusing him for is more nuanced than that.
You're accusing him of being corrupt, of being evil. Nothing is guaranteeing Aleph would be any different in his ruling of the new world. He himself fought in wars, and thus has violence within him. And if he and Satan can decide God isn't above judgement, can someone decide the same of Aleph?

>All endings result in innocent people dying. Law's entire point is to MINIMIZE the deaths and suffering. And to ask you whether you are willing to act to do so. Is it really anything but self righteousness to choose more suffering just because it is "indirect?"
You're purportedly claiming to be minimizing death in the future, but again, we have no guarantee of this. God has wiped out sinful humans many many times before and they always spring back just as awful.

>The moral crisis of the ending isn't really about whether it will work. Its presented almost as a given. Even lucifer more or less confirms that laws plans will work. He just doesn't agree with them.
Yes, the moral crisis is what Law's peace means for the world. War has brought progress, progress has meant questioning established beliefs. None of this can happen in a world of peace, because thinking thoughts against the current laws can lead to strife and disagreement. The moral crisis is whether one can sacrifice what makes humans intrinsically humans for peace and many, many people say no to that question. That's why you have to kill them and leave only your lapdogs behind. It's easy to like that ending because of the peace aspect but would you yourself want to live in that world. Just us discussing this and other options would probably get us killed in the law ending.

>>152524283
>worth a few sacrifices
It's not a few sacrifices, and no. For every human that makes a bad choice, there is on that makes a good choice. It's truly good if they are forced to act a certain way, because there is nothing to compare it to.
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>>152525371
>*not truly good
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>>152521582
here again, I'm at TDL so I'm eating these random status effects and I've gotten hit (despite using all the luck incenses) with curses from them a few from them, is there a list of what they do or something? First time I got turned into a frog, now I've turned into a bat 2 times. In bat form I'm taking gradual damage moving in the dungeon as a bat at least but does it do anything else?

I'm supposed to go beat the boss but I'm freaking out about the curse being some shit like "lol you don't get any exp during fights!! lol!!" and having to do that shit all over again
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>>152525091
The bonds ending has you punch a hole in the ceiling like in II chaos to let everyone live together after killing yhvh. But you are warned that the peace is temporary and strife will come back and yhvh will likely come back one day as well. This ending less explicitly borrows from II, but the hole in the ceiling thing calls it to mind.

And the massacre ending has you team up with satan who decides that yhvh is a shitty boss and he likes you better. You kill the remaining people on earth in exchange for you becoming god and creating a new world that can have eternal peace. One in which yhvh is dead for good.

The bonds ending is basically just an even more happy go lucky version of standard neutral ends. But the massacre ending is one which obviously is meant to be lawful, yet is presented as between law and neutral. Since because you are the law yourself, its not "lawful" for you per say. Like how nocturne has its own paradigm where hikawa isn't called law due to how he went about getting what he wanted even though his goals were similar to law. But the massacre ending is even darker than regular. You have to kill a large amount of your friends instead of just one.

The endings are also divided by a monotheism / polytheism vibe. In the bonds ending, polytheistic gods are still around. In the massacre ending, dagda mostly is just a dick who wants revenge against all gods. But this gives you effectively absolute power over the new world, since it means you can prevent any gods from incarnating in it as gods instead of humans. Massacre also has tones of II in that it has to do with yhvh's role being replaced by that of the messiah, calling to mind christianity. But where as in II it was to live on earth, now a human becomes the new god directly.
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>>152525091
I hear at the end you fight YHVH no matter what. Either you take over as head honcho killing everyone or you befriend everyone and kick YHVH out to stop messing up everyone's shit
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>>152526574
Damn son, 4A sounds fucking wild. Massacre seems pretty baller in terms of boss fights you'll probably have to do.

I'm gonna raise my hype levels a bit!
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>>152526769
Only bond and massacre let you fight yhvh. Law and Chaos in Final are similar to their ends in IV.
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>>152525371
>You're accusing him of being corrupt, of being evil. Nothing is guaranteeing Aleph would be any different in his ruling of the new world.

You're trying to add content into the game that even the game isn't implying. Aleph, like satan, is implied to not like what happened, and to feel guilt over it. There's no implication he'd be a shitty leader at all. He doesn't have a power structure. He's now just one guy who people respect as their inspirational figure. Whatever went on with the oither people in the ark its implied he resembles as well.

>You're purportedly claiming to be minimizing death in the future, but again, we have no guarantee of this.

You have no guarantee of anything. But this IS what the ending is about, so trying to assess it as if it wasn't is admitting that you find it hard to argue against as its presented in game. The people after the end aren't regular humans. They've been purified of the inclination to do selfish acts. So tis absolutely implied that its a self regulating new system.

>Yes, the moral crisis is what Law's peace means for the world.

Considering that its point is to maximize happiness, yes, I would, like anyone else who is rational. Shouting "muh freedoms" til you're red in the face doesn't change that freedom's primary purpose is to obtain happiness, so being bring to it directly is even faster. Also the people are still free, as you can see by its horizontal social structure. And they're more virtuous and loving too. Its pretty much a win all around.

>It's not a few sacrifices,

On a global scale, yes it is. That many people die in wars literally almost every year. Keep in mind that only one human city remains.

> For every human that makes a bad choice, there is on that makes a good choice. It's truly good if they are forced to act a certain way, because there is nothing to compare it to.

>law is too good. The worlds needs to be shitty so that you know when its not.

Okay.
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>>152527367
>You're trying to add content into the game that even the game isn't implying. Aleph, like satan, is implied to not like what happened, and to feel guilt over it. There's no implication he'd be a shitty leader at all. He doesn't have a power structure.
I'm not implying anything. You're the one that claims that Aleph is guilty over his role in the deaths of the unworthy. He could be anything is all that I'm saying, and uncertainty is a no-no in Law.

>Considering that its point is to maximize happiness, yes, I would, like anyone else who is rational. Shouting "muh freedoms" til you're red in the face doesn't change that freedom's primary purpose is to obtain happiness, so being bring to it directly is even faster. Also the people are still free, as you can see by its horizontal social structure. And they're more virtuous and loving too. Its pretty much a win all around.
Who told you freedom's purpose is to choose to be happy? Being happy is different for different people, and Law is just telling people they're happy and them believing it. But freedom exists to also guarantee the right to choose to be unhappy.

>On a global scale, yes it is. That many people die in wars literally almost every year. Keep in mind that only one human city remains.
It's percentage, not raw deaths. Context matters.

>law is too good. The worlds needs to be shitty so that you know when its not.
Not what I said, see above. Telling someone what they're doing is good and them believing you doesn't make it good. It makes it the status quo.
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>>152526807
Massacre is the hard mode, but there's not really many more bosses. The extra friends you fight are all apparently lumped together into one boss. And in exchange you don't have to fight dagda. Since he gets pissed and fights you if you don't agree with his plans. What makes massacre the hard mode though is that you don't have any partners for the last fights except a brainwashed flynn since you are willing to sacrifice everything to go it alone. I heard its harder, but the game in general isn't super hard, so its not going to be tde style difficulty.

However, the massacre does seem to be set up to be a law analogue to the tde. The regular law and chaos endings are shunted onto early bad endings that are seen as just playing into the system. They still work, but are implied to only last so long in this world since they were set up to feed into a struggle that never ends. (ironically, this means that this game has no chaos ending that isn't an early bad ending). Bonds resembles reset from nocturne. You reject the system's ordinary rules while still working in tune with it slightly. And massacre is like tde in that you destroy the system entirely and seize ultimate power. But here, instead of being for wanting to destroy the world systems in general, its to want to create new ones that you can moderate a long term peace without strife or yhvh in, with you as the absolute god.

Massacre is ironically interesting since its presented non ideologically in a way. Stephen, satan, and dagda, and even the great will all seem to trust you to be a good leader. But you smirk like an asshole all through the ending. Its presented more like a dark/law ending. Since you become the ultimate authority, the point is that you technically don't have to follow through with making peace. You could just be an asshole that wants power. But interpreted as a good ending its ideological preconceptions that you are being expected to do obviously are closer to law.
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>>152528309
>pseudo-Lawful TDE
This sounds better and better. Shame that all your friends are in one big group boss fight.
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>>152528569
Also, literally no memes, you get some fresh boypussy on the massacre ending. On the massacre ending you get to pick one person to be your eternal partner. Because one reason yahweh went bad is because he thought he had no equal. And didn't understand life as a human. Since you lived as a human, and have a partner so that you're not alone, you are presumed to be set up not to be out of touch, and to have checks on your power. And three of the partners you can pick are guys.
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>>152493971
Not really translated, but it's much easier to play the game and understand the story with Chiitrans. Translation is almost never 100% accurate, but you can get the hang of what's going on.
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>>152528681
What happens if you choose Nozomi?
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>>152528921
As far as I know very little. Who you pick differs in little more ways than a throwaway line and showing them with you in the ending.
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>These walls of text
Neutral text wall anon are you actually autistic? I'm pretty sure I have seen you post this same shit on 3 different threads
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>>152528036
>Who told you freedom's purpose is to choose to be happy? Being happy is different for different people, and Law is just telling people they're happy and them believing it. But freedom exists to also guarantee the right to choose to be unhappy.

>choose to be unhappy.

I don't even know what to tell you if you think this is good. Do you fly over to starving kids in africa to tell them that thier suffering is necessary to enrich your non suffering because they "chose" it? Being happy isn't different to different people. Yes, its true that different things make different people happy. But the law world is set up to produce happier people within it who also like being in it. In the real world tons of people make choices they don't understand and suffer for it. The ability to simply remove that angle from life would be an improvement. Keep in mind that people's choices make others suffer as well.

>It's percentage, not raw deaths. Context matters.

And when you take into account the future, the percentage of untimely deaths and suffering is small in law. If you don't count the future, you can't be guilty of any deaths ever, since if you shoot a bullet it enters someone's brain after it exits your gun. If you know within a high probability what the outcome will be, of course you are accountable for future events. Its why we care about being green. Its not like most ways we can fail to will hurt us in our own lifetimes.

> Telling someone what they're doing is good and them believing you doesn't make it good. It makes it the status quo.

No. The fact that it makes for a happier world than all other outcomes is what makes it good. There's no one to even tell you, since the angels all seem to have either died or left, and aleph obviously has a normal human lifespan. In fact, people getting to boss you around and their word being correct is chaos. The strong get to decide the rules. For law, not even yhvh is considered exempt from them (other than by himself).
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>>152528569
Well, you have a fuck ton of friends in the game. It would be impractical to have them each as a distinct boss.
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>>152529256
I'm serious. With all the neutralfaggotry shitting up these threads, I BETTER see you all down at the garage this sunday.
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>>152528309
>>152528681
This sounds MUCH better than SMT4's story to be honest.

>>152527272
So the old endings already included? loilol
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>>152529256
Lol memes lmao xD

Is this more suiting for your tastes?
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>>152529579
>I don't even know what to tell you if you think this is good. Do you fly over to starving kids in africa to tell them that thier suffering is necessary to enrich your non suffering because they "chose" it?
No, that's called strawmanning. You can think all you want that the Law world is the happiest that's possible, but since nothing changes and nobody changes you can't really know that.

> If you don't count the future, you can't be guilty of any deaths ever, since if you shoot a bullet it enters someone's brain after it exits your gun.
I never said the future doesn't count. In the neutral and chaos endings you don't have to sit around and watch people do bad things because 'muh freedoms'. You can choose to stop it just as much as they can choose to inflict harm. I'm not saying it's good, but do you know how much classic literature, art, etc has come from suffering and pain? How many people have improved because of pain. It is an integral part of human experience and I genuinely cannot imagine what humans would be like without suffering.

>No. The fact that it makes for a happier world than all other outcomes is what makes it good. There's no one to even tell you, since the angels all seem to have either died or left, and aleph obviously has a normal human lifespan. In fact, people getting to boss you around and their word being correct is chaos. The strong get to decide the rules. For law, not even yhvh is considered exempt from them (other than by himself).
And who created these rules? What MAKES these rules good? Because you want them to be?

Someone came to power and enforced them, did they not? and if YHVH is corrupt, what makes the laws He invented not corrupt?
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>>152530671
It's hardly a discussion when you are copy pasting the same shit you said on previous threads but keep bumping the thread pretending you're doing something else.
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Do you go back to Eastern Kingdom of Mikado in SMT4A?

>>152527272
I heard those were fake ends a la nihilism end in 4.
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>>152530478
Well, that's because Iv is a rehash of I and II that also is somehow less interesting. There aren't even any new demon characters other than merkabah. IV wasn't bad, but it had literally nothing unique going for it at all. It was just hoping you wanted more of the same. IVA actually has (for atlus) a relatively unique story.

And the law and chaos endings from Iv are included. It kind of retcons part of IVs plot. The two early bad endings are basically just the law and chaos endings of IV. But done under a different circumstance. Here you are making the decision instead of flynn. But the twist is that in this world yhvh is in control of both law and chaos. Because he created angels to act a specific way when becoming fallen angels. And he plays them off against eachother. and so while if you choose law or chaos, that ideology will dominate for a time, its implied that yhvh himself will eventually start the struggle up again. Interestingly this makes him into more of a neutral character. He never really cared about law. It was just the side more explicitly related to him. It doesn't explicitly say you can't make real progress with this, but its implied to be limited.

So this is meant to parralel christianity in a way. yhvh is in control. Angels fight demons, and you can pick along a heaven/hell binary. But its only by rejecting the options that you get endings where you subvert his system. The new results being a more complete neutral, and a law equivalent tde. It actually turns out that lucifer and merkabah were brothers, born from satan splitting in half by yhvh's orders. Yhvh goaded lucifer into rebellion specifically, and has been manipulating him all this time. You meet satan when they fuse back together. And he looks rad as all hell. And satan tells you that while he played both sides for yhvh, he will test you to see if he'll side with you. Because you, and only you were chosen by the great will to have a chance to end yhvh's tyrrany forever.
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FUCK DALETH HE KEKED ME FOR THE SECOND GOD DAMNED TIME I SHOULD HAVE FINISHED HIM OFF WHEN I COULD.

Also will it become more obvious on who to follow to get the ending I want?
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>>152531410
The white aren't nihilists. They never said nothing matters. They very much think things matter. They think reality has negatve value, so redusing it to zero is an improvement.
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who /playingtoughestdifficultyinSMT4Afromdayone/ here?
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>>152532069
Anyone who doesn't should never post on /smtg/ ever again.
>>152531854
Is that Satan in 4A? Looks pretty good.
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>>152532069
Dude, after SMT4 which was an RNG shitfest? Fuck no. I don't trust Atlus to deliver a proper RPG challenge in the SMT series.
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I'm dumb, is apocalypse related to smt4 at all?
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>>152532369
It's a branch off the neutral route.
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>>152532209
Yeah. He also has an attack called meggido arc. And his feet are a reference to xenogears. No tangible feet = transcendence, since you never need to touch the ground. And like in xenogears, you get him just in time to challenge the demiurge equivalent. Yhvh has a second form that is literally just straight up the demiurge from gnosticism.

Also his art is based on the same red dragon paintings that the book and movie red dragon is. Which is kind of fitting since the same artist wrote the marriage of heaven and hell. (Though not really, since despite the name that book was pure chaos propaganda) And you meet satan literally when the leaders of heaven and hell fuse together.

His presence in game is actually sarcastic commentary about how in the old testament satan was a tempting angel and there were no fallen angels, but christianity turned it into a binary, making things originally seen as part of god be now acts of the devil. So here he represents the old testament satan whose role in christianity became that of an enemy of god, and the servant of god and angel of judgement were part of regular angels. Implying that the binary was to cover up judaism's content. And he looks like the beast of revalations because in revalations it says the dragon gives up his own power to the beast. So if you have a plot where they split and need to merge, then the beast is the presumed design of the original. Not to mention that old testament angel satan is implied to look huge and scary to begin with. Looking similar to what later devils were described as.
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>>152532625
So best having played 4 first then.
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>>152532369
It basically begins near the end of the neutral route. But it retcons some stuff and adds things that clearly weren't meant to be in IVs original story.
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>>152533069
Not necessarily. 4 kinda sucked to begin with and the only things you need to know can be explained in like three sentences.
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>>152533069
Yep, although it's not completely necessary.
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I thought beadman was dead
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>>152530873
>but since nothing changes and nobody changes you can't really know that.

What are you even talking about anymore. Plenty changes.

>I never said the future doesn't count. In the neutral and chaos endings you don't have to sit around and watch people do bad things because 'muh freedoms'. You can choose to stop it just as much as they can choose to inflict harm.

Yeah. Lets see you try to stop all war, poverty, and domestic violence with your call to arms against it. In reality you're not going to. Because you don't intend to. since you want freedom to not have to. Better to just prevent it from arising then. There's too much to pretend you can really stop it.

>I'm not saying it's good, but do you know how much classic literature, art, etc has come from suffering and pain? How many people have improved because of pain.

I want you to fly down to africa right now and tell a starving child there that his suffering is necessary because otherwise we wouldn't have the great literary works of ayn rand writing about how we shouldn't care that there are starving children in africa. That doesn't sound at all like something you have the leniency to say because you are not the ones receiving the suffering. the truth is, most of this is replaceable. No one said that fiction won't exist in a law world. In fact, more people have free time and leniency to create it, since people are better taken care of. Insisting suffering is necessary to marginally increase the quality of literature, if it even does that sounds like what someone who doesn't want to experience the suffering would say.

>It is an integral part of human experience and I genuinely cannot imagine what humans would be like without suffering.

Happy. Oh god, it would suck.

>And who created these rules? What MAKES these rules good? Because you want them to be?

Nobody made them. They derived them from the collective dispensation of the universe. How do you think ethics even works?
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>>152528921
We don't know. No one has chosen her as an eternal partner. The pretty popular choice seems to be Toki, Gaston, Hallelujah, and Navarre because they stand out.
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>>152534313
>the popular choice is 3/4 dudes

>because they stand out.

Yeah. That's the reason.
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>>152527272
Dude Law and Chaos are just Lucifer and Merkebah in a room halfway through saying "Fight him, no fight him!" And you go "Law/Chaos/Avoid Fake Ends and keep playing"
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>>152533912
>What are you even talking about anymore. Plenty changes.
Like...?

>I want you to fly down to africa right now and tell a starving child there that his suffering is necessary because otherwise we wouldn't have the great literary works of ayn rand writing about how we shouldn't care that there are starving children in africa. That doesn't sound at all like something you have the leniency to say because you are not the ones receiving the suffering. the truth is, most of this is replaceable. No one said that fiction won't exist in a law world. In fact, more people have free time and leniency to create it, since people are better taken care of. Insisting suffering is necessary to marginally increase the quality of literature, if it even does that sounds like what someone who doesn't want to experience the suffering would say.
I'm not going to do that because that's utterly stupid. I'm not going to sit here and judge whether one book of literature is good or better than another, but it's the absolute truth most of them would not exist without suffering. Everyone suffers; it makes humans what we are. Whether it's less or more than another person is irrelevant. Someone who has never experienced war, different ways of thinking, or disagreement would have a hard time writing about something they haven't experienced. Law literature, if it even existed, would be pretty closeminded and not very variable.

>Happy. Oh god, it would suck.
Humans who have suffered can and have been happy. In fact, the only reason we can call it happiness is because of suffering. You seem to be under the impression that happiness is somehow good or conducive to a good life. Empathy is often built on suffering, you know?

>Nobody made them. They derived them from the collective dispensation of the universe. How do you think ethics even works?
Fucking bullshit, ethics haven't existed since the dawn of time. Someone made them, and that god/thing in SMT II and modern monotheism is YHVH/God.
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>>152534313
Honestly, picking anyone but Asahi makes no sense. She is your childhood friend, hell, more like a little sister you know your entire life. Its hard to believe Nanashi would pick someone he knows for, like, a week over her.
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>>152534519
Toki gets possessed by Inanna mid game and says pretty lewd things while affected by Mandala, Gaston has that smug attitude and takes Odin's spear, Hallelujah is literally a pretty boy who turns into Demi-kid, while Navarre is a green ghost who changed.

>>152534952
She gets overshadowed by trained chaos Loli in the game.
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>>152534952
I would fuck that blonde girl for eternity though.
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>>152534616
>I'm not going to do that because that's utterly stupid.

How convenient for you that the ramifications of your beliefs are brushed away with emotional pining. Par for the course.

>I'm not going to sit here and judge whether one book of literature is good or better than another,

But you'll judge whether intense suffering is acceptable.

It might tenuously enter your brain in one of the tiny entrance holes where the autism comes in that people not having suffered intensely all throughout history matters more than slightly better books though. Lets keeping in mind that in a law world people are happier overall, so its not like they are disappointed about their book selection relative to a neutral world. You're deciding for them that they -should- be.

>Someone who has never experienced war, or disagreement would have a hard time writing about something they haven't experienced.

This status quo bias is so ridiculous even you should see the issue. You basically said that if things were different they wouldn't be the same, so that must make them worse for ??? reasons. Yes there might be some things lacking that are good. But the takeaway is that there's more better good things. Did it ever occur to you that existence as you are now is not actually the ideal existence? That you just struggle to comprehend the unknown?

>Humans who have suffered can and have been happy.

And humans who suffered less are more happy overall. Being able to tolerate imperfect life =/= there not being better possibilities.

>Empathy is often built on suffering, you know?

Unfortunately for you, the games are clear that people are more empathetic and loving on law. IV even calls law goodwill and chaos spite and neutral a balance. Law people are implied to be filled with caring for eachother.

>Fucking bullshit, ethics haven't existed since the dawn of time.

Oh god. Tone down the retardation and at least pick up ONE book on metaethics before spouting more nonsense.
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>>152535786
...Do you think you're maybe taking this discussion a bit too seriously?
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I want to trust Mastema!
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>>152532209
Yeah it's him. They took his multiboobs away and gave it to Inanna.
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>>152536063
Mastema tells nothing but lies. Read about it in this trusty manual.
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>>152522064
You aren't told that everyone on earth will die untill it actually happens. In a blind run if you go law first it's a surprise.
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>>152530401
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>>152531857
It literally tells you to pick.
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>multi-hit with drain strike

Wew lad. I almost regret not going for a STR build with Bunny now.
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>>152537481
Its a suprise for the player, but neither Aleph or Hiroko express any suprise about it. And when Satan says he is going to judge YHVH nothing is said either, making it seem like it was the plan all along.
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>>152526574
Another thing I like is that the Massacre ending is actually lead by chaotic figures and the peace ending follows more positive aspect of lawful figures.

This is in line with IV's thematic that, ultimately, Law and Chaos both are pretty much the same.
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>>152537715
Oh great, ambivalent Steven Bodhisattva!
Please relieve half of the distressed and suffering.
Please listen compassionately yet spitefully,
To your not disciple confess and learn from his mistakes:
Since I have come to prefer human affairs,
I always feel that life is not meant to be peaceful;
I often feel that circumstances are not agreeable.
Towards relatives and good friends,
I am not considerate or helpful enough;
Yet sometimes I also am too much;
Towards society and the masses,
I lack skillful means to bring an equal balance,
of harmony and disharmony to all people.

Oh great, compassionate Steven Bodhisattva!
Over many kalpas, you have worked diligently in defiance of hardships,
And still want to return to the world to very indirectly neutralize all sentient beings.
You have done what is difficult for people to do
And still want to follow the world's cries to relieve a moderate amount, but not all of its suffering.
Who am I?
Why can I not do the same without either doing too much or too little?

Oh great, compassionate Steven Bodhisattva!
I pray to you to guide me with your universal vows,
I pray to you to enlighten me with my own intelligence.
May I have your fearless penetration
Of the nature of all things through technology, but not magic:
If I face people of vices they will be minimized but not eradicated;
If I face villains their anger will be cooled half of the time;
If I face evil, the evil mind will be balanced with goodness;

Oh great, compassionate Steven Bodhisattva,
Please accept my moderately sincere kind of christmas and easter prayer!
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>>152538150
You don't have time for anyone to express surprise it literally goes like this
>Kuzuryu is out, quick to Eden!
>Chill we got it under control. Let's get on the megido arc
>Allright in order to save everyone (here) we're gonna wipe off everything on the earth in 3... 2... 1...
>Well done my friend! Let's go meet YHVH
>Well, God, there is one more sinful person here in this room. He committed genocide and his name starts with "T" and ends with "etragramaton"
It all happens way too quickly. You skip the largest endgame dungeon in the Law path.
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>>152538535
Is this related to the artbook?
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>>152531857
Don't worry, Daleth is a total beta lord who will run away from woman willing to sucks his dick. Go fuck over Puck.
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>>152538179
How do you figure. Dagda comes off like dark neutral. And Satan is explicitly identified as law in game. Just a different kind than regular. Like dark law. Though admittedly the bonds ending seems to have a kind of lawful tone also, since they achieve more peace. Interestingly it seems that the game as a whole leans a little more lawful than atlus' ordinary bias despite everything. Lucifer is being rubed by yhvh all along, making most of the real sides both good and bad seem to e mixtures of neutral and law elements. What it is is that massacre is dark whereas bonds is light. But dark law, and like light neutral is a mixup from normal all around.
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>>152538656
Its probably related to the interview for IVA where they say that steven is free from the cycle of reincarnation, making him a bodhissatva by buddhist standards.
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>>152538557
Thats an exagaration. Satan explains what the Megido Ark is and what is it for quite in detail before he presses the button to fire it. If they actually wanted to, they could have stopped him.
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>>152538557
You have a whole conversation with satan before firing it. There was presumably discussion beforehand of what is going down.
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>>152538939
Dagda has that "might makes right" mentality, and violent attitude is characteristic of chaos in SMT. Ultimately to be god in the Massacre ending you need to become the strongest being alive and literally dethrone god himself to earn the title of one basically on your own. That individualism is also characteristic of chaos.

What I meant to say is that in order for both the Peace and Anarchy endings of Apocalypse to be neutral they rather make a balance of lawful and chaotic traits, which has been something ingrained in Neutral of SMT ever since the first game.
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>>152539279
*bonds and massacre. Peace and anarchy refers to law and chaos.
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>>152539046
But one already exists in the form of Miroku. Nips must be very jaded to think that a scientist who rejects religion would be a Bodhissatva.
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>>152539230
>>152539252
I did not felt it that way. Aleph is a silent protagonist so you can't really say what he thinks. However when you first joined law path, you didn't joined with YHVH ab Satan, but rather Zain and Gabriel, the former being the central figure who had very idealistic point of views in favor of saving everyone.
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>>152539386
Right my bad. I was thinking more of "Danu" ending and "Dagda" ending actually. Danu is such a qt.
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>>152539656
Too bad she's do anything for the fairies, including killing off her son and replacing him with a copy.
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Are there any Isabeau doujins?
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is the new smt4 game as easy as the first?
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>>152539835
Yes.

>>152539862
Dunno, but you have more difficulty settings from the get go.
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>>152539751
I'd still tap that.

>>152539751
Are there any SMT doujins that are not DeSu, Persona or Demikids?

>>152539862
No Naraku, so even easier
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>>152539401
To be fair, stephen hawking sometimes identifies as a vague pantheist. Which considering that in game the great will is everything and so can't really be gotten rid of in the same way as demons can, neutral's human slant would vaguely seem to match. Albeit highly questionably.

Buddhism hasn't exactly been uber humanist historically, since buddhas are no longer human, but since the best way to become one is from being a human, that's one reason people try to whitewash buddhism into seeming super humanist in modern day. So in a vague way, one could kind of draw a line then between characters seen as an icon of humanism, but with vague spirituality and a bodhissatva. Since the themes of a lot of the games is transtheism. Not necessarily being against spirituality, or even gods, but being against reliance on gods as necessary for spirituality.
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>>152540019
There's no SMT Doujins

>>152540095
Aren't humans being reliant on other humans for spirituality just as bad as being reliant on god? Not everyone in SMT is as good or innocent as the main human characters in Final.
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>>152540848
Is being spiritually reliant on god bad if it encourages you to do good?
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>>152540848
Do they really say you need to rely on humans either though? even law and chaos don't say you need to rely on any sentient entity in particular. But rather ultimately the focus is different interpretations of the great will.
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Guys, guys, I had a dream. I don't really remember what happened in that dream, but it made me realize that Strange Journey was the best game in the franchise.

Will we ever get something similar?
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>>152541724
Yeah since certain gods like YHVH are judging people on their own standards for goodness, not societal good.
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>>152542267
That's in SMT, but in real life religion is not that strict, usually.
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>>152539976
>Yes.
Thought you were joking. Found only one though.
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So how does the stat limit work in the MT games? It kind of looks like I'm going to hit the end of it pretty quickly for STR, will it just loop over or something?
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>>152542578
No. There's an actual limit. You're forced to diversify past a point.
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>>152542852
What about bonus I get from gloves and stuff? Does that go over or should I leave some room so that I can still benefit from those?
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If God created everything, did God create Satan?
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>>152544409
Yes.
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>>152542267
That's not true. Law side is for security and goodness in SMT. However, there is loss of freedom. Albiet, appearently it's supposed to be temporary as claimed in DeSu by Remiel.
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Is the dlc for 4 worth anything?
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What the FUCK happened to imagine?
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>>152545553
it still has jpn servers afaik but the na ones died long time ago
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>>152546530
Does anybody here still play it? I remember it being pretty good when I played it years ago. Had no idea it went down.
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jap got closed earlier in the year
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>>152547123
Shit.
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Vanity
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Cross Slash
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Magaru
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Hoy.
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>>152545121
If you mean the loss of freedom, that varies from game to game.
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>>152545135
No.

Night /smtg/.
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>>152440641
The second hardest (hardest without DLC) difficulty isn't hard, the last two fights were the only challenging ones, I also went Dagda.
Once you choose the DLC hardest difficulty, there's no going back and when Nanashi dies you loose the fight (not really a Game Over since Dagda can just bring you back, he does it for free), I'm pretty sure the last fight will be pretty brutal considering the damage, so if you don't want to take any chances do the hardest without DLC. It would really suck, if you'd made it to the last fight only to realize that you need some serious grinding (over Lvl 100).

>>152526574
>Since because you are the law yourself, its not "lawful" for you per say.
That's not how it works.

>dagda mostly is just a dick who wants revenge against all gods.
He doesn't want revenge at all (where did he say anything like that?), he wants every god to die and humans ruling themselves because he thinks that's the natural state.

>>152528309
>What makes massacre the hard mode though is that you don't have any partners for the last fights except a brainwashed flynn since you are willing to sacrifice everything to go it alone
This is also wrong, you do have one partner of your choice in the last fight.

>Stephen, satan, and dagda, and even the great will all seem to trust you to be a good leader.
Steven doesn't make any sense. He clearly doesn't like what you're doing, sending Fujiwara, Skins and the other human cattle to kill you even though it's pretty obvious that they're gonna die, but still supports you in the end because you get rid of YHVH. I really don't know why Steven and the Great Will are represented as the good guys in that game with all the shit they're doing.
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For my second playthrough in SMT IV I need to complete any sidequest for neutral? Or I can speedrun throught the main quest to get it?
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why do physical skills have higher base damage than gun skills in smt iv? whats the benefit of gun skills?
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>>152562067
Multi-hits, crits, fun.

>>152561859
You still have to go through the required sidequests for Neutral. I think one of the OP pastebins has a guide to Neutral in IV.
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>>152563820
Does dex scale better on gun skills or what? I mean on skills that have same description but guns have lower base damage

basically two skills same description except for the gun/phy I don't know which one to keep
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>>152564118
In IV, Dex is what affects ALL physical skills, whether they're physical or gun. Str is useless as a stat, since it only affects the damage of your regular physical attacks - not physical skills.

>two skills same description except for the gun/phy
Could you be a bit more clear?
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>>152564470
I mean when the descriptions are the same for example "single target medium damage" the gun one is lower base damage than the phy one so I was wondering if there was any benefit to guns to make up for that
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>>152564689
Which skills are you talking about? Give me the names.
Also, new thread when?
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>>152564470
>Str is useless as a stat
I thought SMT was WORLD OF STR.
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>>152134912
hypocrite faggot
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>>152564689
You mean Thaltum Shot vs Oni Kagura?

Gun picks up damage with Grand Tack and Riot Gun. If you're doing the dex/luck build grab status inflicting moves instead, namely Stun Needle.

Bound enemies always give you successful Fundraise up to 3 times. It really stacks up.
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>>152570416
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