/4xg/ - Stellaris and 4X Games General

>>152331707
first for 1 turned petra

>>152331707
It amazes me how Firaxis still hasn't figured out how to have improvements or wonders that create indentations in the map terrain. Quarries and Petra are still above ground!

>>152331595

>>152332115
tall: few cities with high population and basically every building you can get
wide: the opposite, many small cities with only essential buildings AKA happiness and gold producing ones (you can however branch out after building those and build whatever you want as long as you have the cash)

>>152332028
I still don't have any idea why Petra gives food or production

>>152332689
i think the idea that it is a trading hub allows the locals to import food or something

>>152332232

Literally no reason to go wide in 5 desu. You never build more than 4-6 cities anyway because you simply dont need more.

Have those fucks still got the second dev video taken down because of the leaks even though everyone has already seen it?

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>>152294637
>>152298685
Total War Attila.

Still love Master of magic. Favorite 4x game

>>152333140
not really, you can get pretty good map/resource control though and its pretty refreshing if you've played tall long enough.

Genuinely hyped for VI now despite the absolute memery of the leader and civ reveals, mods can fix that shite. The base mechanics and general aesthetics are looking very nice, I've got that mad hope that this will actually ship as a relatively stable and complete base package.

>>152334607
Is this an actual line from the game?
I've played >100 hrs and never seen this, or maybe I wasn't paying attention.

>>152335620
Yeah, IIRC all non-dlc civs have unique lines like that. Egypt's was something wonder related, Arabia mentions God, etc

>>152335414
absolute madman

>R&I removes a mod from the /gsg/ Archive outright after it's mentioned the creator is in some discord group
Nah fuck this.

>>152335414
I can't wait to play it after 2 expansions.

>>152337449
They said every feature in Civ V+its expansions would be in the base game desu, it can't be that bad

>>152337540
>They said every feature in Civ V+its expansions would be in the base game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcjpags7JT8

>>152335397

Your research and social policy gets destroyed because every city makes them more expensive and you never need more than a dozen units anyway.

>>152338359
only if you play it >umodded

>>152338262
Outright lying sounds pretty fucking stupid. Look what happened to NMS.

>>152338706
It earned a fuckload of money?

>>152338810
Do you think it'll blow over so well? Look what happened to Rome 2 -> Attila, Attila is generally considered one of the best games in the series but sold like piss compared to Rome 2.

>>152338262
But we've seen the features.

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>>152338810
>>152338881
another example is DMC 2 -> 3 -> 4. 2 is considered to be the worst in the series, and as a result, 3 sold like ripe ass. In turn, 3 is considered the best in the series, so 4 sold more than any of the other games

>>152140290

>>152338810
>>152338881
Herein lies the problem with NMS.
It sold entirely upfront, but was such a letdown after the fact that further sales will nearly halt until significant improvements are made and the price gets cut.

By comparison had they adopted a more conservative strategy sure the upfront sales would have been less, but it wouldn't have alienated and polarized the fanbase to such a point that people are saying "don't buy it."

>>152339467
Every Civ series sells well. the only way they can fuck it up is if they indulge in too much politically correct leader pandering, or if they shit all over the long standing fanbase.

Hitler when?

what is wrong with NMS? I've only heard it was a travesty and not why it was a travesty

>>152339774
It's this decade's Spore.

>>152339591
That's exactly what happened to Rome 2 -> Attila.

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>>152339874
that bad?

>>152339467
Damn you reminded me of DMC again, I used to love these games years ago. I want to play them again now

>>152339950
Seems so.
If not worse, the creators in Spore were pretty fun.

>>152339950
The devs outright lied about features and are still lying about it now so yeah.

>>152332689
That'd be because the Nabataeans were masters of water management and the whole place is filled with intricate troughs for water.

Who here /cantstoptrollinggsg/

>>152340081
Do they sperg out if you talk about Civ or something?

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>>152339993
DMC = Delicious Male Chest?

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>>152339774
Screenshot from >>>/reddit/
Basically lead developer says all this shit is in the game and you can do this
Never corrects people who say the game is something it isn't, increasing the hype
When the game finally releases not only is none of what he said was in the game, in the game, but it was an unoptimized unstable piece of shit being sold for a full AAA price.

The drones say the players hyped it up. But as someone who only took his statements at face value, ignored external hype, and fully expected only a subnautica without base building in space, I was even disappointed by the release state.

It even turns out the planets he showcased were not procedurally generated as he said but handcrafted specifically for the demos.

The travesty about it was that he was given marching orders from sony to hype it to no end and forced them to sell it for $60. If it was released as an early access title for $20 the reception would have been a complete 180, a promising indie game that just needs further development.

>>152340102
No they're spazzing out because HPM / R&I / Archivelad has started deleting mods he doesn't like from their public archive.

>>152340165
>autistic wiki mods

every time

>>152340205
He's not a wiki mod, he's a lot worse. Just pop your head in for a few days but be careful not to lose it

>>152340205
It's not just a wiki, anon, it's an archive of files the community has built up and used for almost 5 years now. Which, suddenly, some autistic megalomaniac named HPM thinks he owns the rights to delete shit from on a whim

Basically it's like if the OP of /4xg/ was taken over by a modder and he then used that OP position to spread only his mod and then slowly work other modders out of the community via ostracization and false flagging.

t. /gsg/ scholar

>>152340118
what does devs gain from lying and then autisticly claim they are right when everything points toward them being wrong?
Is there some really good reason not obvious from an outsiders perspective?

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Is anyone here still interested in this fucking game?

I'm thinking of trying to rally the steam group to play another MP game

>>152340359
>autistically claim
>autistic
>autism
Well.

>>152340359
In this case I'm certain it was entirely Sony's marching order, so Sony just caring about initial sales and not giving a shit about the long term health of the game.

If you watch the videos you can kind of tell Sean was losing it near the end, but sony probably made him sign a contract telling him he had to hype it and couldn't do anything that would reduce the hype, until a few days before the PS4 launch when he tweeted IT'S NOT A MULTIPLAYER GAME, again probably sony's order to avoid false advertising claims.

The collectors edition literally had a sticker covering up the rating and "on-line" box with "single player"

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>>152332028
>Quarries and Petra are still above ground!
And Pyramids and Stonehenge are in the water! I know most people hated this but I kinda liked it, it's sad it will be gone in Civ VI

>>152340386
Nah, needs to be not boring after the early game.

Like I can't even get to destroyers anymore just because of how boring it is and how the 4x and grand strat elements don't mesh at all

>>152340612
>>If you watch the videos you can kind of tell Sean was losing it near the end
Big business was a mistake

>>152340612
>The collectors edition literally had a sticker covering up the rating and "on-line" box with "single player"

wew.lad

I bet /v/ is having a field day

>>152341353
They already did and this time they're totally justified.

>>152341353
It's died down, people have mostly come to terms with it being shit. It's remarkably not fun to shit on a game you wanted to be good when the drones defending it have given up because of the concrete evidence pointing out the lies.

All that's left is to have what fun you can by collecting cute ships.

>>152340118
When I read how many planets its going to have (is it 2^64), I realized it won't be any good. What's the point in static seed, why is it even a thing? And it also means no changes would stay because no computer could have enough memory

Give me a planet generator that would give me 10 planets, but each interactive and well-simulated.

>>152341835
The irony is it's not the planets that are the problem. In fact for the most part, the planets are all pretty decent.

If they could tweak the generation so that structures dont generate in weird places like off the ground, the planets would actually be one of the better parts of the game.

>>152341962
I didn't look into NMS, but I can appreciate random generation that would create fun collisions. But to be fun, simulation is needed.

Right now I've got the impression that only fun thing to have is to look for phallic objects.

>>152339774
Da fuck is NMS?

>>152340118
Reminds me of Starbound.

>>152342073
That's because it failed to deliver on literally every facet.

>>152342126
>Da fuck is NMS?

no mans sky

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>>152340386
I am, but only for RP reason. I no longer enjoy playing it. And that's sad.

>>152342360
Ha. So it flopped that hard? I heard rumours, didn't think it was that awful.

>>152342582
Flopped is a relative term here.
It made mad dosh because of the hype, but won't be bought again until significant price drops and the bad shit gets fixed.

>>152342582
it didnt flop money wise. it made a shitload. 210k steam players on the first day. but now its down to 40k as a daily peak. literally the division 2 in terms of player hype. so much for a game you can play forever

>>152342654
>>152342757
I wasn't really talking about money, but it only makes it even worse.
There should be laws against using old footage to advertise a game. Starbound did something similar by using ressources that weren't in the game to advertise it.

>>152342360
MORE LIKE NO MAN BUY

NYUK NYUK NYUK

>Kumo Desu ga, Nani Ka? updated
Hell yeah, praise the cutest spider!

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>>152339774
Content-wise, what >>152340118 said / linked. In short, it's a one-trick pony and once you've seen it's shallow repertoire it has nothing to offer. What hasn't been touched in-depth is the tons of performance / instability issues that plagued the game's launch.

Not only the PC "port" is unacceptable when it comes to general quality and atrocious performance-wise, the the game tend to crash on PS4 too. Meanwhile it looks like an early-2k title at best. Hell, they even managed to ship the game without working AA!

But that's just the tip of the iceberg - do you see this FPS numbers? Let's overlook that judging by the visuals, they should be the double w/ decent optimisation. But the fact that SLI configures perform the same (!) or (like FuryX) worse (!!) than one-card counterparts ...

Let it sink for a while: sub-par FPS values and stuttering / crashing issues even on high-end cards, and occasionally negative performance "gain" with two of them. Not to mention frametime performance reviews, which also proved that the game is simply a trainwreck.

Not that surprisingly, the devs even lied in the official system reqs: the minimum VGA only supports OpenGL 4.2, meanwhile it turned out you need 4.5 to be able to run it ... Same goes for CPUs not supporting SSE4.x by default, you can't even start the game on them.

>>152340359
Gaming industry 1×1: AAA devs are not making games for the players but the stakeholders / owners. He who pays the piper calls the tune. Don't get me wrong, NMS in it's current state would have failed horribly even if a $20 indie title - but that wouldn't have caused such shitstorm.

Sony is the biggest winner here: they only provided marketing in exchange for switching to PS4. Since they didn't intervene in the development, their hands are clean. Sean must have had his ass raped by the Suit&Tie Department (see>>152340612), then he did the same with customers.

>>152343369
So, any good game taking place in space? Freelancer doesn't really run on recent PC, the X games are too complex, and Rebel Galaxy is kinda fun but too shallow.

>>152343458
>the X games

oh wow, thanks for reminding me those exist. I tried to learn them a while back but I didn't understand when it actually became /fun/. Especially since you can put your freighter on autopilot and have it trade for you.

>>152343686
I tried them once. I found a lucrative trade route, made some money, and then suddenly the prices changed and I lost money.

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>>152341353
>>152340612
>The collectors edition literally had a sticker covering up the rating and "on-line" box with "single player"

I edited this like a week ago (from Anon's pics). You know what's funny? Two streamer actually found each other right after the release, which obviously had an incredibly small chance. And (surprise!) they didn't see each other. At all. What Sean said to this? Server error. Congratz.

>>152343458
It's no coincidence NSM was so hyped and Star Citizen got tons of financial support: there's a gap in the market and seems like nobody can fill it correctly. Even Elite Dangerous kind of failed. I'm afraid you have to wait and see how Star Citizen turns out.

>>152343852
Yeah, screw that. I'll keep playing Rebel Galaxy. It's meh but it's fun.
Or I can play Recettear, it also has trading.

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>>152343458
>tfw Freelancer 2 never ever
Any specific genre you want?
Space Pirates and Zombies is pretty decent and the second game is looking pretty good so far
Also Master of Orion, Star Ruler 2, Sword of the Stars and Endless Space to name some strategy games in space

>>152343978
SPAZ is fun but a little repetitive, and it quickly boils down to "spam the same ships until you win". Strategy is too limited and there are no enough choices in weapons.

>Master of Orion, Star Ruler 2, Sword of the Stars and Endless Space
Tried these, They meh for various reasons.

>>152343458
The last space game I had fun with was Sins of a Solar Empire, and even then it was only briefly.
Once you realise the game is "throw your fleet at the enemy fleet and that's it", it loses its lustre.
Sweet graphics tho.

>>152344094
I can't stand that game for a very dumb reason : the right click move the map around and there's no button to reset it.

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>>152344079
Have you tried any of the older stuff like Wing Commander or Star Control?
There are also people making a Star Wars mod for Company of Heroes but thats really far fetching

>>152340386
I'm on my second game, and I must say after the first you've really seen it all. This just feels like a repetition.
However playing with two main species, one with ocean preference (crab-like molluscoids) and one with desert (foxes) preference really makes colonization easier.

>>152344387
Is that the Red Sun?

>>152344387
>Star Wars mod for Company of Heroes

sounds cool, link?

Also since this is the RTS general, why did empire at war need to be so lackluster in it's ground battles?

>>152344805
Because they tried to have both space battles and ground battles.

As a result, they both are shits. Just get Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds.

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>>152344805
>sounds cool, link?
http://www.moddb.com/mods/starwars-frontlinesthe-galactic-civil-war
Its sadly still in the making but hoping they break the stale atmosphere of the other mods

>>152344956
I don't know why, but each time I see a stormtooper, I want to reinstall Battlegrounds and shot some rebel scum in the face.

>>152344916
Shit taste detected, the space battles are good.

>>152345056
Epic argument, kiddo. You sure convinced me with your opinion.
Rebbit called, they want you back.

Can't wait until India is revealed.

Bets on Ghandi still wanting to bathe the world in nuclear fire?

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>>152345294
Of course he will

>>152345038
That game was quality. Buildings had a bit too much HP but apart from that it was incredible.

>>152345376
I'm talking about the old battlegrounds game.

>>152344805
So this general accepted rts games now, doing the campaign's in aoe 2.

>>152345056
the star wars mod for SoaSE makes for some pretty ebin spacebattles if played vs a friend

>>152345471
We did it a while ago while we were dying.

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GET HYPE
ES2 happening in September, just annoucned at Gamescom

https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/blog/463-early-access-incoming-new-faction-reveals

>>152346454
>early access
so basically, just like stellaris. buy in and get disappointed, or wait for a year for a complete-ish game.

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>>152346575
Early access will be barebones like Stellaris and the other Amplitude launches. Unlike Paradox, Amplitude will add much more content much faster and make a fun game that does not require you selling your firstborn into slavery to get all the content.

New major faction revealed:
TL:DR happy merchants IN SPESS

>The Lumeris are a society that revolves around trade, economic deals, economic growth, and doing business. Expansion and acquisition are the bywords of their culture, and as an amphibious people they are prepared to make money in any environment. Their society is organized around a series of families that have traditionally run different parts of their economy, and the balance of power and negotiations between the families is what drives progress - or blocks it.

http://wiki.endless-space.com/factions/lumeris

>>152346454
>early-access
All interest dropped.

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>>152346709
>The Lumeris faction is also known as the Four Families as these four power blocs have been running the society from the shadows for many years. Traditional alignments are the Meos family running farms and agricultural products, the Omokar handling construction and union issues, the Lancellum building ships and ports, and the Arrakyo dealing in politics and legislation. The current leader is Jenestra Omalfi'Meos, voted by the Four Families. While infighting and backstabbing occur on a regular base in the interest of vengeance or profits, there is a consensus that the families must coordinate to take on the really big opportunity that is the galaxy.

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>Jenes, an atoll planet full of tropical islands and tropical storms, is the home of the Lumeris civilization and the home base of the Four Families that rule it from behind the scenes. Their oceanic environment necessitated the ability to adapt to the water, yet the need to create fire and build advanced technologies drove them to the land. From there they are now challenging the heavens themselves, bringing their unique style of economic development to an unsuspecting galaxy.

>FACTION AFFINITY: Planet Broker
>The Lumeris don't use colony ships-instead they buyout planets. Outposts can then be sold to other empires to generate profits.

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>The Lumerian Federal Anocracy

>Lumeris society has long been organized around families, clans, and dynasties - a natural outgrowth of the multinational, island-based history of their society. In the modern world this means that governments cannot stay in power without the support of the various families who have traditionally controlled different sectors of the economy and the lesser families that are part of their power structure. As a result, despite the growth and evolution of their civilization, family and lineage remains a strong pillar of their culture.

>With the aristocracy a distant memory and no dramatic religious fervor driving its populace, economic status is the only major legacy to be left for one's descendants. As a result Lumeris society revolves around trade; one seeks their career and passion in life in the interest of securing wealth for the future of their family and to improve one's standing within it.

POPULATION BONUS: +2
POLITICAL IDEOLOGY: Pacifist

Sounds pretty damn comfy, mi familia.

https://youtu.be/2z_Ug6piiqI

Any strategy game that has a deep trading system? I'm thinking of all the problem oil caused, and how raising its prices fucked the united States.

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Endless Space 2 gameplay.

https://youtu.be/WdUBlmrLtvg

>>152347264
Offworld Trading Company.

>>152347503
It's pretty good, but not really strategy.

>>152347503
hopefully those are all placeholders, it just looks like a photoshopped endless legend screen

>>152347775
The screenshot is much older but the video footage is what we're getting in September,

>>152333140
That's why 5 sucks, there should never be any question as to whether or not build a new city, it should always be about when to do it.

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>>152340612
>until a few days before the PS4 launch when he tweeted IT'S NOT A MULTIPLAYER GAME, again probably sony's order to avoid false advertising claims.

Except he was still implying there is multiplayer.

>>152349912
especially since it doesnt even matter if people cross paths, because you literally cant interact with other players. that tweet made it seem like if you find another player, you can interact/play with them.

>>152339993
Play them again now then, DMC4 has a Special Edition that you can pirate, because fuck giving Capcom money
Vergil is ridiculously fun

>>152340108
Devil May Cry for delicious male chest

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>tfw you weren't part of some enlightened and niche elite of brave anons when you shit talked about NMS pre-release because everyone could read the signs
>tfw even the majority shits on NMS after release
JUST

I just want to be a special snowflake with patrician tastes.

>>152350857
A game renown for its bloated procedural generation had no chance to be good.

>>152351418
Is there any case where procedural generation was good?

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>>152351448
Tetris.

>>152350857
honestly I had no idea what the game even was until a week before release
>>152351448
minecraft/terraria
mostly games that have partial procedural generation, but dont make EVERYTHING procedurally generated

>>152351448
Dwarf fortress?

There is no AI storytelling, so procedural world will always be samey. What it should focus on (and what is somewhat related) is simulation. Strange emergent simulated events is the shit. Or it might turn itself into a roguelike, but roguelike is different beast.

I would kill to see procedurally generated world being faithfully simulated in glorious 3D.

>>152351448
Roguelikes

>>152351448
Procedural generation by itself is never good (unless that 500kbs shooter but thats more of a tech demo)
You need actual gameplay to make said procedural generation good, and thats the MAIN problem with NMS, there is nothing to do other than shoot rocks

>>152353012
I tried that game once.

It was not fun.

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>>152353150
It has a completely different focus from Civ. I like the battles.

>>152353207
There's Warlock if you like Civ that are focused on battles.

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>>152353931
Tried it. It's ok but late-game even on medium maps becomes a slideshow while I have no problems with any other 4X games maxed out.

>>152340386
>Steamgroup

Discord is having Stellaris MP tonight at 7pm GMT+2

>>152357391
Does the fact Elizabeth's civ is Called England and not UK or Britain confirm there're going to be Ireland/Scots/Celts/whatever as dlc?

>>152358693
its victoria not elizabeth

>>152358794
I remembered that after writing the post, name of the image in the post I replied to said Elizabeth, that probably confused me

anyone got a pirate download of stellaris with the plant nigger dlc

>>152358693
Don't think so.
Germany is called Germany even though Barbarossa was emperor of the Holy Roman Empire (I guess it is proto-germany, but you get what I mean)

>>152358917
This isn't Pirate General.

>>152353150
play master of magic and build up to age of wonders shadow magic.

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>>152358917
pls rspnd

>>152360276
See >>152359823.

>>152358935
HRE is basically Germany, they even called themselves Emperor of the Germans when they didn't say Emperor of the Romans.

>>152344079
>Star Ruler 2
>meh
What you saying fuccboi I'll fite u.
You're opinion is completely understandable.

>>152360848
They really didn't, or least I can't recall a single historical instance of this. Usually if the Holy Roman Emperor was called Emperor/King of the Germans, it was usually needling by another nation, often the Byzantines.

>>152362057
Not to mention I was talking about a space trade game, not a RTS.

And these games all annoy me. Except Master of Orion that I never tried.

>>152362254
>implying the Byzantines weren't right
By the time Byzantium kicked the bucket I'm pretty sure the HRE held NONE of the land the Romans ever occupied and was entirely off the borders of Gaul and Italy.

>>152362309
>space and trade
Yeah that'll do it then. I like Star Ruler 2 for creating a huge empire that funnels resources to super planets.
But yeah, there's no trade with other empires, which kinda sucks.

>>152362561
What I want is basically Wolf&Spice (or Spice&Wolf) in space, in fact. I thought Space Run would be the game, but it's just a tower defense.

>>152357391
Fuckin A+

>>152362687
space&wolf

>>152362687
Are you a Horofag

>>152362561
If you like trading empires, Distant Worlds and SoSE are pretty good. Especially Sins, you can build offworld market. The money income is small but you get to see small civilians ships going from a system to another.

>>152362793
Horo or Holo?

>>152363093
Bah same thing, I don't remember the official English name.

>>152362479
Well yeah, but it doesn't change the fact that they still called themselves the Roman Empire, and their leader Emperor of the Romans. While it's accurate to display the HRE as German ( at least after the Franks mostly left), they were still a pretty distinct political entity, separate from that of Germany. It's the same as trying to call the Byzzies Greek, they'd get pretty pissed about it. Even if they all spoke Greek, practiced Greek customs, and lived in the area historically considered Greek, they were Romans dammit and don't you forget it!

>>152340118
Perhaps they have removed all of this content in order to sell it as DLC?

>>152340118
>COOKIES HELP US DELIVER OUR SERVICES

>>152363768
I don't know man
The HRE in my eyes was always Germanic in origin and by the time the Franks left more or less just German period. Even the founder, Charlemagne, was definitely a German - a Frank - before he was a 'Roman' - a culture dead at the time anyway unless you count Byzantium as having Roman culture due to being Rome's leftovers.

>>152364164
>Tfw Americans purposely pretend Germanic and German are the same thing

>>152363034
I've actually been playing Distant Worlds a bit recently.
It's great, I'm basically reacting to the civilian sector. I wish they were more racist though. For some reason the damn civvies just build shit absofuckinglutely everywhere. Especially in alien territory where the owners don't really want to deal with my shit.

>>152364965
Well seeing as 'German' as a singular entity in their own minds literally just didn't exist until much later...

>>152364976
Rogue traders, dude. They don't care about your policy, they just see money to be made.

>>152365068
Yes. The Franks were not Germans, they were Franks who were Germanic. Charlemagne was not a German.

>>152364164
I think it's more of a matter of self perspective, if you asked some one who lived in the HRE, particularly in that time before the various nobles gained most of the power, what they were, they'd probably tell you that they were German citizens of the Roman Empire. Their German identity didn't conflict with their Roman one, but for the Emperor the distinction of being Roman was an important one from a political standpoint. It denoted a legal lineage, as well as prestige, and certain rights owed to him. So it was very important to make sure that everyone knew that the HRE was a "Roman" empire and not just a German one. It's why the HRE and the ERE had so much bad blood between them, they both were making claim to the same lineage, regardless of how much they resembled the Roman Empire of old. It's also why the diplomatic correspondence between Holy Roman Emperors and Byzantine Emperors is so hilarious to read.

>>152365223
The Germans are the Franks' bitches.

>>152365367
"German" is an invented identity, desu.

>>152365223
>Came from Germania
>Spoke a German language
>Believed in the German pantheon
>Practiced German customs
>Not German

>>152365265
>Their German identity didn't conflict with their Roman one
I don't think it even really did
I bet Gauls could say they were gallic citizens / residents of the Roman Empire, because Roman wasn't an exclusive identity and was more like an overarching thing.

>>152365223
The Franks were as German as the Saxons or Alamans in that "German" didn't exist back then.

>>152365443
>desu
This isn't /jp/, mate.

>>152365506
Yes. They weren't German, they were Germanic. Like, for example, the Scandinavians and Anglo-Saxons were both Germanic, too. And the English of today are Germanic. But, guess what, they're not German. Is this hard? Is your brain too small to comprehend this?

>>152365506
Franks are German as Anglos

>>152365698
So German then?

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>>152365443
>Go to college, be taught that every identity is an invented identity
>Nothing has any meaning anymore
>Everything is relative, therefore nothing is relative
>Western civilization is F'ed

>>152365780
German refers only to the people of The Federal Republic of Deutschland, germanic refers to the people descended from the germanic tribes including Germans

>>152365982
so what are austrians then?

>>152366060
Former inmates.

>>152365874
No, I mean, German was literally invented by the Liberals and Otto von Jewmark to enslave the various German peoples under Liberal Protestantism. It was created merely to give the Kaiser of Prussia and his noble inbred stooges more power, even though Prussians were nothing but Baltic monkeys.

>>152365982
That's a pretty arbitrary distinction. The fact of the matter is that the Franks spoke a dialect of German that would've be mutually intelligible to other Germans of the time, and they shared a large number of customs and beliefs with them. They were always German, they just transitioned to being less so over time, similar to the Angles, Saxon, Lombards, and Dutch. they're not German now, but they were back then.

>>152365982
By this definition Chinese cannot possibly refer to any nation before the Republic of China or the People's Republic of China, since the nations themselves called themselves by their dynastic name and the peoples who lived in it had distinct identities that weren't just "Chinese".

>>152365874
Just because something is invented doesn't imply it has no significance. Don't blame your schooling for you lack of ability to think.

>>152366425
Germany did not exist before 1871, they don't even call themselves German

>>152366335
Fuck off, retard.

>>152366552
And the Chinese didn't either for the most part, since Qin's reforms standardized formal shit, not cultural stuff.

>>152366552
The word for German (deutsch) has existed in common use since the 800's. They very much recognized they were German.

>>152366642
Nice argument.

>>152366738
>>152366889
>>152366335
Germans (German: Deutsche) are a Germanic ethnic group native to Central Europe,[3] who share a common German ancestry, culture and history. German is the shared mother tongue of a substantial majority of ethnic Germans.

The English term Germans has historically referred to the German-speaking population of the Holy Roman Empire since the Late Middle Ages.[4] Before the collapse of communism and the reunification of Germany in 1990, Germans constituted the largest divided nation in Europe by far.[5][6][note 2] Ever since the outbreak of the Protestant Reformation within the Holy Roman Empire, German society has been characterized by a Catholic-Protestant divide.[7]

>>152366552
See >>152367019 and weep at your ignorance.

>>152366889
Well, here
>>152367019
>Late Middle Ages
Wew. Tell me, were Charlemagne and the Franks around in the Late Middle Ages?

This argument is so stupid.

There are terms for this stuff.

>Cultural or Ethnic Group. Maybe even Civilization.

Nation State.

Use the right vocabulary, and none of these disagreements are necessary.

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>tfw you make a single post in a thread and come back ~2 hours later to find a huge discussion about it

>>152367337
>English term Germans
>Talking about the German word for German (Deutsch)

Please be less stupid. Germans were calling themselves German long before the English were. Though maybe not, considering even Old English had a term for refering to German and they land they lived in collectively, being þēodisc and Þēodiscland respectively, which interestingly come from the proto-germanic "þeudo" for people or nation, which is also the root of Deutsch. So I guess the idea of a common German people is older than I though, also interesting for anyone who claims that the Angles and Saxons didn't think of themselves as German before they found their English identity.

>>152358693
Meme civs, although Wales should get an honourable mention via the inevitable longbowmen.

>>152368561
Oh, so did Charlemagne and his Franks call themselves the Frankish equivalent of the word German?

>>152369759
No they called themselves "The Freemen" which is what Frank means in West German.

>>152370006
Well then, get this. The Franks were not GERMANS, they were there own people like the Anglo-Saxons and the Norse. Charlemagne was not a German, never post again you tit.

>>152370206
>Confusing ethnicity and culture with nationality
Mad frog detected.

>>152370487
I'm English, it's just disingenuous Germans and Germanboos do my fucking head in. A race of liars.

>Toronto is a city state in Civ6
Hahah, leafs confirmed for irrelevant again.

So, where is all this fabled Paradox post-release support for Stellaris I was promised? All I got so far was a overpriced cosmetic DLC and a two patches that barely did anything.

>>152370805
The game is called "Civilizations" not "Countries", of course Canada is not in

>>152371381
Then why are the burgers and ooga boogas in then?

>>152370714
Who'd being disingenuous? The Franks were German, the Saxons were German, the Angles were German, and the Alamans, the Suebi, the Goths, the Lombards, the Frisians, the Burgundians. They were all of them, Germans, just because they became something different later, doesn't make them not German. They all spoke a dialect of German, they all originated from Germany, they all practiced German customs, and believed in German deities.

>>152371027
>Overpriced

when will this meme die? Paradox spends uncounted hours making quality plant space ships and sells it for very low prices. I should know, I personally ordered the plantiod cosmetic pack for 80SEK (that's about 8$ for you utlänningar) and I've been playing with it almost every day since I got it. I can even win in two different ways simultaneously now. I absolutely support Paradox stance that it should have costed 200SEK (20$)

>>152371484
Because every major city in your pisspot country has people lining up to eat at McDonald's , drink Cocoa Cola, listening to American music and your women lust for American cock. Cultural Victory happened 16 turns ago.

>>152371381
what is brazil?

>>152370006
I thought it was from their fransisca axes?

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>>152339467
>tfw DMC5 never
It's been years and it still hurts

>>152371502
They were GERMANIC not GERMAN. Fuck off you dogfucking German cunt. Your country is nothing but a cumdump for Turks and Slavs.

So I've been playing Stellaris recently, pretty good but feels like it's missing a ton of features. Anyways, what's a good fleet loadout? All google gives me are old patches

>>152371627
I respectfully disagree.

>>152370714
My eternal anglo brother, germans have no culture of their own anymore so they steal other's

>>152371770
Nah. The name of the Fransisca axe is from the Hispanics, who named it after the Franks. Most of the German tribes were named after some aspect of their society or a tool that was common in their life. For the tribes I mentioned their names would be: The Freemen"Franks", The Swords "Saxons", The Anglers or Narrows (there's some debate over the origin here)"Anlges", The All-men "Alamans", The People "Suebi" (from proto-germanic swebaz), The Gotlanders "Goths", The Longbeards "Lombards", The Curly-Haired "Frisians", and the Highlanders "Burgundians" (that ones probably older than even proto-germanic though).

>>152371921
Man you are mad, I think you're just upset that you share blood with a people you so unreasonably hate, stay mad Anglois.

Sure is /pol/ in here today.

>>152372024
Posting some advice somebody else gave to me.

Start with missiles.
Research space torpedos as soon as you get the opportunity
Run torpedos in every weapons slot on every ship until you get particle lances, at which point switch to lances + torpedos.
For defence, just run a 1:1 mix of shields and armour. Maybe put one point defence gun on there when you get to cruisers and battleships.

As for ship contents I'd say its really just what you're willing to loose until you get to the point where you can wipe out a fleet before they even get their guns in range, you shouldn't feel like you absolutely need battleships, a while ago I was able to beat an AI alliance that had several battleships and lots of cruisers while I just used destroyers, didn't even take that bad of casualties and what ships I did lose I was able to replace with destroyer assembly yards in all 5 of my core planets which let me just shit out 25 new destroyers every 380 or so days.

Is Warcraft 3 considered a RTS? I watched a competitive game of it, it doesn't looks like one.

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>American leader is Dutch
>English leader is German
>Egypt leader is Greek
>French leader is Italian
Gee, I wonder how that simply happened to occur by mere chance.

>>152346840
thicc

cant wait for the rule 34

>>152374564
Are you retarded?

>>152374472
>at which point switch to lances + torpedos.
This seems unreasonable, since lances would be absorbed on taking out shields when it's not needed. Otherwise I agree.

I usually just auto-fill the utility slots, because balancing energy is plain in the ass. I think givers and taker of energy in the same category is mistake from ergonomic standpoint, even if it makes sense.

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>>152374564
It's a MOBA with base building. Pic related is a real fantasy RTS.

>>152374564
it is per definition an RTS and welcome here
HoAE > warcraft tb h

>>152374798
>not on Steam
>not on GoG either
Dang it.

>>152374858
I dunno, HoAE's pathfinding and AI is really shitty.

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>>152374973
??

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>>152374472
>>152374770
>This seems unreasonable, since lances would be absorbed on taking out shields when it's not needed
As the faggot who wrote that original set of instructions, lances' advantage is that they are instantaneous (and, I guess, immune to PD, but more importantly, instantaneous).
A lance that does 300 damage is much better than a torpedo that does 500 damage, because there's no latency and none of that "Fire 500 torpedos and 450 of them are useless because the target explodes in the first 10th of the barrage".

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My Civ5 SDK is broken, what do?

>>152340723
Yeah, I didn't mind wonders in water so long as it was a monument kind of wonder like the Pyramids. The Great Library wouldn't make sense though.

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>>152371027
>All I got so far was a overpriced cosmetic DLC and a two patches that barely did anything

Not to sound like a drone, but don't forget that in v1.0 all combat was close range, slavery tolerance only went to 50%, slave revolts didn't exist, and protectorates COST influence.
This is not so much a defense of Paradox as it is a reminder of just how un-release-worthy the game was in May.

>>152344438
Over paradise?

>>152375552
Sniff gasoline?

>>152375374
what program? sorry for spoonfeed

>>152375960
Colony War.

>>152374596
Why is Hojo Tokimune the representative for Japan? Couldn't they have picked Tokugawa Ieyasu or Hojo Shigetoki/Yasutoki? Or have they already been used?

>>152376102
Wat? Did i miss something? Do we hate Civ5 now?

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>>152376282
It's an Aboriginal joke
I was sure I had some Australian memes in my folder, but I can't for the life of me find them, so take a Misty

>>152376282
Throw a dice.
1-3 : we hate Civ5.
4-6 : we love Civ5.

>>152376217
qBittorrent, search function is hidden away under view > search engine
it's ok, I didn't know this game existed and wanted to play it myself

>>152375478
You could just go all lances. Torpedoes are immune to PD for some reason, by the way.

But if something hit shields, it seems more logical to have everything contribute to shield drainage, or none. This is another flaw, I think, in most games with shield bypass you are usually supposed to target shield generator, clearing way for actual damage dealers, but here it IS damage dealer.

>>152376226
Tokugawa's been used plenty, but yeah there are plenty of Japanese leaders who could've been used outside of Tokimune.

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>>152376223

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>>152376538
>You could just go all lances.
I would indeed have advised as such, if not for the fact that lances are large-slot only.

>>152376226
IIRC it was always Tokugawa and that was why they chose Nobunaga in Civ V, for a change. Why they went with Hojo this time? Who fucking knows, their leaders choices are pretty retarded this time

>>152376827
Tachyon lance destroyers rape everything in their path

>>152376827
>sanctuary
What is sanctuary? I saw it once when I turned spectator on, and I didn't know how to get back into game.

>>152376538
Torpedoes are not immune to PD

Energy Torpedoes are.

Okay, so I have roughly 18 bucks on my Steam wallet. Got a good cheap RTS to recommend on Steam? Possibly something big like Cossacks.

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>>152377121
It's a special system that will sometimes appear in your galaxy (I've had it twice out of four games).

There's usually a couple of ringworld systems in every galaxy, but they're usually the capital worlds of Fallen empires, so you have no chance of ever actually being able to get to them before lategame.
Sanctuary is an "abandoned" ringworld where the Fallen Empire has fucked off, so it's open season and whoever conquers it first gets literally the best system in the game.

Is it extra to pre-order Civ 6?

>>152377518
>not pirating it then buying it later when all the expansions come out.

>>152377515
I've never gotten far enough in the game but can you repair those destroyed sections of the ring worlds?

>>152377518
> pre-ordering
Please don't do this, it only encourages devs to half-ass it.

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>>152377676
No, it's not possible even at max tech.

>>152376939
But there are better Hojo representatives in my opinion. It would have been really cool to see Hojo Masako as the leader, but will likely never happen.

>>152377518
the only thing you get are the aztecs as an early access civilization. but EVERYONE gets them after 3 months past release, for free. so if you dont care about the aztecs abilities, you can just...not preorder and not really miss out on anything.

>>152377960
>>152377515
shit like this makes me want to get stellaris. Crazy space opera supertech and shit.

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>>152377717
>>152377618
>>152378092
... I guess I'll just buy No Man's Sky.

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>>152378291

>>152378291
NO

>>152378291
1/10 made me reply.

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>>152378232
Well it is a really fun game... the first time you play it.
But there's only enough content for one playthrough. And one playthrough is not worth your forty dollarydoos.

>>152378291
M
ABSOLUTE
D
M
A
N

>>152378291
we just had this discussion

>>152377353
Decided to get Star Ruler 2's expansion.
I don't think it'll fix the game but it'll make it a bit more enjoyable.

>>152374596

A large amount of well known historical leaders are often foreigners to the nations they lead.

This very fact can often be why those people are more well known.

>>152377515
>use mod to start on a ringworld
>use mod to construct more rings

>>152378927
Nice try Sauron.

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>>152378479
What was the conclusion?

>>152379036
>realize species has a ringworld prefernce so every normal planets has a 10% compatability
>fuck it build another RW with mulitple snare/mine battle fortresses to shred anyone who tries to attack the system

I am the ringu werld now. If only there was a mod to build space ports as stand alone stations and not jusf a factory taped to a planet.

>>152379334
"this generations spore" to quote Anon

>>152379482
I liked Spore. It was a huge disappointement but it had some good ideas.

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>>152378291

>>152379532

Well, yeah, that's No Man's Sky,

>>152379532
Honestly it's pretty fun if you want to fly around in space and land on planets. Think of it like 3d Starbound without 90% of the objectives. Not something that would probably last hundreds of hours but it's still pretty fun.

>>152379854
I hated Starbound for all the mining you had to do.

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>>152379482
>>152379532
>>152379648
>>152379854
Have any of you messed around with SpaceEngine?

>>152380086
I have it, never installed it. Simulation type games rarely pull me in though

>>152380051

>I hated Starbound for all the mining you had to do.

You don't have to do any mining in starbound.

>>152380419
Wrong. You need ores, coals and various other crap to progress.

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>>152380240
Dude, first time I saw a tidally locked planet I nearly creamed my pants.
>be me
>checking out random star system
>see speck of light that must be a planet
>click on it
>orbit is 284 days
>rotation is 284 days
>"oh so it's tidally locked, one side should be frozen... I doubt that's simulated though."
>go to planet
>dark side is one giant glacier
>mfw

I only just got over my fear of black holes in this game too. Plus he just added accretion disks. Eventually he plans on adding 3D vegetation on worlds with terrestrial multicellular life.

>>152380086
I only have Universe Sandbox.

Are we /Sims/ now? Some of them are way too much to me.

>>152376226
Because he can triforce. 4Chan compatible leader for autists.

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>>152382397
We are all things for all men, a general for every season.

>>152382397
>me in charge of quoting posts properly

Meant to address >>152374596 with the first one.

>>152382397
That's the Hojo family crest though, any other Hojo clan member would have it.

>>152382397
I like Simant.

>>152382397
>he can triforce
I haven't seen this meme in years

>>152380639
I think you can actually buy all the bars you need right now, with the last couple of armor tiers coming from monster drops instead of mining anyway. I guess you do have to mine eridium, though.

>>152382397
there is a /simg/, but it's focused on military and/or vehicular simulation. I for one have nothing against comfy spess sims pics/stories

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>>152383148
They weren't memes back then

>>152383286
I hate mining, you have no idea. It's the cheapest way to force people to grind. It ruined Terraria, it ruined Minecraft, it ruined a lot of survival games.


Except Don't Starve. The hounds ruined it for me.

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>>152382561
>picking City's only non-traditional crest as a base

>>152383446
>>152380639

>you need ores to progress

and? what's your point

you get tons of ore from dungeons, towns and crates, you do not need to mine to progress.

>>152380639
before they patched it, you could just use wood and convert that to coal for fuel :^)
but if you hate mining in starbound, you'll hate it even more in no guy buy.

>>152385228
I'd like something more focused on recycling.

Skyrim did it right with the dwemer alloy : you don't mine it, you melt it from random stuff you find in ruins.

>>152385537
NMS kinda does that, sentinels were the only source of titanium that I found and dropped some other shit too

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>>152384334
Yes.

>>152386803
>elins
degeneracy.

>/gsg/ discord liquor R&I drama made us lose the archive
When will they fuck
off?

>Brazil's icon in CIV VI is the republic's flag
>Brazil's leader is Emperor Dom Pedro II
That is just lazy really, they even got it right on the CIV V DLC.
Just shows how they didn't think at all what civs they were picking.

>>152390129
They don't have to think, they have to feel, because it's the only thing that matters in [THE CURRENT YEAR].

>>152390129

what are u talking about lol who cares about that history stuff, everones gonna get along fine anyway

what u mean that nations that we see now haven't been around forever pssshht

>tfw civ reddit just has tons of 'I heard u like canals' posts every day
>tfw its going to get even worse when civ 6 comes out

>>152391351
>canals
???

>>152391451
canal cities

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>>152391351
>>152391541
Still doesn't make sense.

>>152391606
She looks like an ape

>>152391332
I know this is a joke, but I hate you for reminding me there are people like this.

>>152391708
I think that's because humans are apes.

>>152392168
They aren't though.

>>152392168
Not all humans.

>>152392168
Only africans

>>152392490
>>152392515
>>152392645
THANKS, AMERICAN EDUCATION SYSTEM!

>>152392723
I'm English

>>152392490
>>152392515
>>152392645

all humans are apes

but not all humans look like apes

>>152391708
That's what I mentioned in a post above: characters are not only cartoonish like they were in Civ IV, but they often look like a caricature. It's just too much, man.

>>152392870
The changed skin colour makes her look even worse

>>152392840
>>152392723
I somehow read 'ape' as 'gorilla'.

>>152391606
Do you not know what a canal city is?

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>>152392515
Some got stuck in the middle.

Is Stellaris fun

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Here are the civ 5 mods I play with:

>Enhanced User Interface
forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=512263

>InfoAddict
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=79000477

>Unique Cultural Influence
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=330449372

>Historical Religions
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=308810502

>Unique Components
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=743202441

>More Luxuries
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=167389120&searchtext=

>Wonders of the World
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=76433057

>>152394517
Kinda, feels a little incomplete atm. That's just my opinion however. I'd try and grab it on a sale if you're interested though.

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>you can ROTATE THE FUCKING MAP in civ vi

>>152372024

Beeline particle/tachyon lances and battleships. Build up your battleships like space dreadnoughts, all large slot weaponry. Before I get the critical mass of just massing lance battleships I build some cruisers with massed point defence/armor to tank shit for the battleships and corvettes with random mixed weaponry for the same.

>>152391606
WE

>>152393395
>still can't navigate rivers
>still can't build canals

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Maybe it's just because I'm tired, but I don't understand at all how that shit works.
It's a portal for civilian ships or sometthing?

>>152396268
judging from the description the most obvious use is that you can buy different things from it. The flavor text also seems to imply that it connects different planets if you've built the building on both of them

what game btw?

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I'd just like to thank those Anon who have been kind enough to upload the Workshop mods for this shitty-ass space game we filthy pirates torrented.

I also wanted to ask if you could reupload '724943755' to the Mega.
The folder for the mod is there, but it is empty.

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Any good advice on opening moves in Civ 5? Even in lower difficulty settings I feel like the AI is moving way too fast compared to me. They spread out their cities and have armies up and running way before I do. It always feels like I'm short on money, production and pretty much everything. I believe it's because I'm doing something wrong in the early game, the first 100 turns more or less.

>>152398345
No it's because the AI cheats and gets a ton of free stuff on top of playing chieftain difficulty at all times

>>152394827
>No Smart AI

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>>152331707
>return a captured settler back to an AI
>they use it to settle a city right beside me

this is why my games always end in domination

>>152398345
Go tradition.Tech pottery first then tech to get your local luxuries online, from there you usually want to get writing then unlock horses and iron. Your first builds should ideally be two scouts then a shrine. If you have a lot of growth tiles on your start you should try and get your first settler out at 4-5 pop if not then aim for the first settler to be out on 3-4pop.

Don't build your early workers unless there's nothing else to do (like being stuck on a tiny island because rng said fuck you), steal them from nearby city states instead around turn 30ish.

While scouting early with your two scouts constantly asses locations for cities, a lux you don't have and growth tiles are what you're looking for, and always expand try to further away than closer, its easier to backfill land than it is to have to conquer lands the AI settled on.

And as >>152398918 says the AI cheats like crazy, steadily cheating more and more the further over prince you go.

>>152399346
>not using the settlers remain settlers mod and cucking the AI

asking for it tbqh

>>152396708
Star Ruler 2.

The problem is that it's an orbital facility, and ships go from one planet to another, so I have trouble finding an use for it.

>>152399482
>cheating mod

>>152399680
Commerce stations make trade ships, which kinda act like private sector ships in Distant Worlds.
Basically what I've gathered is that the commerce stations make little ships and they make you money.
I can't say for certain though.
Calling Firgof, Firgof do you read?

>>152399482
i already took back the city. don't be planting shit 2 tiles from my border.

>>152399927
Byt the planets already make trade ships to move ressources around, but what are the commerce stations for?
And they aren't used to allow civilian ships to move in a neutral territory, that's what outposts are for.

So whats the deal with the transhuman event chain in Stellaris? I had it happen like 4 times, they fight a bit, ruin some buildings and then nothing. How its supposed to end?

>>152400576
With concentration camps, purges and an inquisition.

>>152400709

For the non-augs you mean.

Can you change your primary race to transhumans?

>>152401079
Why the fuck would you do that?

>>152399383
>Your first builds should ideally be two scouts then a shrine.
I'm unfamilliar with the content of the expansion packs. Can someone explain how religion works, how tourism works and how cultural victories work now? Also, great works of art and theming bonus? Please explain how that works to me.

Thanks in advance.

>>152401223

The flesh is weak. It would make sense for a fanatic materialist science directorate whos already running robot staffed mining planets to jump in on the aug thing.

>>152392840
By definition humans look like apes.

>>152401353
Tourism is the culture victory, culture is still used to get social policies but it's also measured against enemy civs tourism and acts as your defense against a tourism victory. To win a culture victory now you have to become influential over a civs culture with your tourism.

Religion is gained through faith, first you get a pantheon, which is why you build the shrine early. Then later once you've accumulated enough faith a great prophet spawns and you can found a religion, only so many religions can be founded so not everyone will get one, and some beliefs are super powerful so getting first pick of them is important since each belief is exclusive and can't be picked again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R42Xtr2Vfww
That guy does an excellent job of explaining the in depth bits of religion but overall remember that Tithes and Pagodas are probably the two strongest and most contested picks.

Great works of art/writing/music provide tourism and culture and theming bonuses are things certain wonders provide for having great works of specific types there. Thats managed in a menu somewhere in the tourism stuff I don't do culture victories much. It's generally stuff like great works from the same era and same civ, great works from different civs and eras, great works from the same civ but different eras you get the idea. They're kinda pointless if you're not france though since late game you get buildings and techs that convert some of your culture output into tourism.

Religions and culture victories mix btw since having a shared religion provides a bonus to your tourism output to that civ, as does open borders, shared ideologies and having a trade route run between your civs.

>>152402950

it was a joke

>>152394018
That's not how evolution works, dumbshit.