EVE online /eog/

Rip old damage control icon.

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Thanks Kevin

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OFFICIAL LIST OF WORST TYPES OF PLAYERS IN EVE:

1. Nullsec botters/ratters/mission runners
2. Highsec botters/ratters/mission runners
3. Nullbabby napfest blobbers
4. Lowsec 'elite' link-alt slave set pvpers
5. 'hisec pvp'
6. Miners
7. Industrialists
8. Traders
9. Scammers

9001. Honorabru solo roamers

90001. Small gang NPC sov nullsec/lowsec

900001. C5-6 WH pvpers

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Admit it. /eog/ without the no SPfag would be this generals main feature. /eog/ has a rep for being an easy pace, and posting a big shitpost with dog pictures would be reason enough to enjoy this general.

>>152276173
I don't know, he probably asks CCP for reimbursement and gets another 10pack of those things.

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first for raven

>>152276514
Fuck off Kevin.

>/eog/ has a rep
>having a rep
Beta healer cocksluts all of you

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cute desu

>>152279385
Huh, I like it.

The modern caldari 'our ships look like actual military spaceships fuck you' thing is probably my favourite aesthetic.

>>152279385

they should have made that the bantam since it looks like a mini-minokawa

>>152279694
>that
>atual military spaceship
Looks like there was an explosion at a girder factory or something. Those spikes don't have any use, there are no antenna on them or anything.

>>152280183
They ARE the antennae, surely?

>>152280183
They are wings you fucking moran, how would they stay up without them?

>all these real life military spaceship engineers posting on r/eog

>dual rep armor dramiel
>not even an aux pump
>no rep + ancil
lmao pl so elite

>>152280183
>antennae have to look like dishes from the 80s
Bruh its the future.

>>152280473
bruh it's the future, why do they even NEED antennae

>>152280473
>rep + ancil

this is still kys-tier. just ancil is the correct fit

>>152280817
Yeah man, they ships should all have cable at least!

>Hull tanked mining drone exploration dragoon

>>152280473
>no rep+ancil
bruh have you seen how much those fucking things cost?

Deadspace mods fair enough but an ancil repper jesus christ chill out.

>>152276304
That's everybody in the game faggot.

I need advice.

Myself and a couple of friends are new to the game, three months old each approx.

We've been mining minerals and ice in a nice dead-end 0.6 system where an ice belt spawns regularly.

There is one player who none of us know who is repeatedly declaring war against us and when it ends makes a new corp and immediately declares us again. Just this one single person.

Only ever flies a Legion T3 cruiser, none of us can stand up to them.

We even moved where we live about 35 jumps, moved everything we own together because we thought "Huh, maybe we're stepping on their toes or something?" but nope, they just followed us and apparently exist ONLY to attack us.

I'm now the only one who still plays, they've not renewed their subscriptions because they don't see the point, this person is always online at the same time as us and can strike any time.

When I look at the description of this person I see the character is over five years old. Why do they spend all their time harassing us? Not talking or sending messages, just attacking.

you could join tengoo and get backup from your r/eog bros

or just do npc corp

>>152282057
Train for vexors and kick the shit out of him if you have 4-5 people.

Also no one follows you for 35 jumps unless they really have a grudge or unless it's an alt of one of your "friends"

>>152282057
It's one of their alts.

Join a corporation that isn't shit.

>>152282057
Iirc repeated wardeccing like that can be reported.

>>152282752
>>152283034
But it's literally just me and two real-life friends, one of them is sitting on the sofa next to me right now telling me "stop bothering, it's not worth playing"

Why would one of them secretly played the game for five years without mentioning it then use that character to shit on their new one?

>>152283242
Then nevermind. Join a competent corporation, spend a year fighting and try the whole industry thing again, this time with some basic knowledge about fighting.

That's assuming the game doesn't die by then.

>>152283423
>That's assuming the game doesn't die by then.

best meme

>>152282057
If he is making his corp over and over again, he might be bypassing some game mechanic. Ask in help channel if it is against the rules, or submit a support ticket. Idk how hisec works.

>>152283724
>If he is making his corp over and over again, he might be bypassing some game mechani
No. No he is not.

There's also no reason to do that that I can think of. Only useful if YOU are the one being wardecced and close/recreate the corp.

>>152283724
>Idk how hisec works.
Highsec is utter garbage and griefing like this is trivial if you have spare cash.

>>152283242
>>152283980
Alternatively, make several corporations with disposable characters and switch between them on a daily basis. To keep you wardecked, he will need to wardeck all of these corporations and the cost will turn prohibitive quickly.

Making corporations is cheap and easy enough for this to be viable.

But really, get out of highsec and join someone else's corporation until you learn how to play.

>>152283242
Post the guy's character name.

>>152283980
Don't wardeccs cost more the more time it goes on and isn't there some period of time after it ends where you can't decc again?

When a war expires isn't there a period of time where you can't wardec the same people again?

Making a new corp probably gets around that.

Rejoining after a 5 year hiatus.
I applied to Dreddit because i was a nullbabby back in the day, but over the last couple days i've found solo relic hacking in WH space to be fun.

What are the good big name WH corps nowadays?

>>152284248
All-Out

>>152284248
Tengoo Uninstallation Service is one of the good big ones. Message Maqari Kinraysuwa for details.

>>152284191
Extending the wardec costs just as much as starting it.

But yes there is a cooldown if you don't extend it, and he may have forgotten to pay that bill I suppose.

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>>152284432
truly ebin xD

>xD

r/eve shills at it again.

>see wardeccer on undock
>he sits literally glued to the station model
>kills noob ships

>>152284634
>oh mai gawd i was gtfo for my shitposting of my dead irrelevant corp
>must be the reddit guys i swear
>im totally not a shitposting faggot

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>>152284874
>coming from the xD guy

>>152284432
>9 members
>big
what

>>152284974
Why does Pokemon XD get a free pass then

>>152285672
That's like 10% of eve right now with current subscriber numbers.

>kit-soon

>Skimitar

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>geela

Svaipool

>Boorst

>tengoo

So I'm thinking about trying this out as it's on sale at the moment. Now my question is is there any point in getting any of the content packs and if so which one would be best? What exactly do the packs actually do?

>caress

>>152287772
Avoid (most of) the content packs. They give you worthless shit and cost more money.

>Axtekeror

>>152287772
You mean on steam? If it's on sale at 50% off buy the premium edition

>Turrent

>>152287829
Which ones are decent? There's the colonist pack, the explorer pack, the industrialist pack, and the skirmisher pack. I'm kind of leaning towards the colonist and industrialist packs as I dislike PvP and exploration.

>>152287965
But anon I'm poor

>Care a call

>>152288180
Aren't those packs only applicable for trial accounts and then only one per account?

>>152288180
They're all the same sort of shit. iirc you get more stuff just from doing the tutorial.

>>152288180
None of those are worth it. You're throwing money away for a few million isk of novelty goods.

if i've got an existing EVE online account that i've played for years now, is it possible to move that to Steam?

If I buy the steam version will I be able to link it to my account?

>>152288180
>Which ones are decent? There's the colonist pack, the explorer pack, the industrialist pack, and the skirmisher pack. I'm kind of leaning towards the colonist and industrialist packs as
None of them matter. I legitimately have no idea as to why they exist other than maybe false advertising.

>I dislike PvP and exploration.
You're in for some disappointments.

>>152288935
Short answer : No.
Long answer : Maybe if you contact support.

tl;dr No

>Steam

>>152288935
You really don't want to m8, steam version is crap.

I actually kinda like the clothing in the Colonist pack, looks snazzy.

Any of it available on the market anywhere?
I'm nowhere near my eve PC so can't check.

>>152289258
Use Eve-central

>>152289258
All over the market for pennies.

>>152288353
>>152288392
>>152288871
>>152289027

Alright I guess I'll just try starting at the bottom. Thank you for your time anons!

>>152289258
>black/red
Why is being an edgelord so popular?

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>>152290253
It may be black and red but it doesn't strike me as particularly edgy, it looks a bit stuffy and pompous to me.

>he

>hey anon we are going to a funeral, wear that black suit pls
>OMG NO IM NOT EDGY

I think eve would be a lot better off with imperfect Intel.
Null bears gonna raise a hissy fit about making null not worth it. Its a double edged sword though a PvP won't know about your defenses or if anyone is even there.
Its too easy to get Intel on other groups and its not a terribly engaging mechanic. Its even less engaging than links. At least make me go to station or d scan to figure out what's going on in a system.

>not getting cyno dropped

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>>152290996
>meanwhile in wspace

I just discovered the greatness of mobile tractor units when mission running. Holy crap these things are wonderful. Combine a mobile tractor unit with salvaging drones and you've got yourself very fast looting.

>not having a noctis alt

>>152291278
Except you're still doing it wrong.
Stuff multiple mobile tractors into your mission battleship.
Bookmark them as you drop them and leave them behind to scoop all the shit up.
Then warp over to them in your salvage ship, scooping the MTUs, the loot inside and salvage the wrecks.

Then realize you could be grinding more LP instead with your max damage rattlesnake and looting is a waste of time.

inb4 polarized machariel memes.

>>152263501
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yBTaqiMrX4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UieJcWI-YM

>>152291403
That alt would be making more money market trading in a hub than salvaging.

>small gang means kiting

I've played for a couple months but haven't touched this in ages.

Can anyone recommend me some corps that won't kick me for mining or being bad at combat

Bonus points if the corp is UK based

>>152291278
Salvaging isn't worth shit outside a few specific missions with lots of battleship spawns.

You'd be better off using combat drones so you can clear the site faster and earn more isk/hr.

>>152291836
>that won't kick me for mining
Borvil miners

>>152291836
karmafleet. being bad is what they do. and mining is actually useful too.

>>152291923
[spoilers]traitors.

>>152291836
it's ok just say you're mining ironically

>>152291836
That would be All-out

Getting kicked out of there is pretty difficult. You have to be a Benji-tier retard for that to happen.

>>152292024
But all I've heard about all out is that they're cancer.

>>152291923
I'll check these lads out

>>152291989
And these lads too

>>152272031
C

>>152272331
There used to be custom tracking positions. Removed?

>>152292256
>lads

>>152292256
>But all I've heard about all out is that they're cancer.
Taking advice about avoiding cancer from people with tumors festering in their anuses is hardly legitimate.

>>152284214
No? We used to dec brave on repeat.

>>152291889
>>152291578
I'm still on level 2 agents and I'm making way more in salvage and bounties than I am for the mission rewards. This MTU speeds up the rate of salvage gathering significantly, which directly increases my ISK return for the time spent in mission.

I trained salvage drones v

>>152292585
Fair enough. Just know that at level 4 salvage isn't worth shit compared bounties and LP from the mission itself.

>>152289243
Some have steam money.

>>152290996
Why? The only way to accomplish that is removing killmail API features and local, neither of which is an interesting idea.

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What do you guys think is the biggest issue with the new player experience? Any newbies have any critiques?

>>152292943
>removing killmail API features
Yes PLEASE.

Killmail and killboard faggotry is ruining the game.

>>152292839
Salvage drones skill has a pretty low modifier right? How much of a bonus does the skill give you to salvaging operations?

>>152293321
2% per level

>>152293321
I don't know. I trained it to salvage elite player wrecks back when they were worth money, but it didn't help, it still took like 5 minutes every time and was total shit compared to modules

>>152293298
But how am I gonna share the KMs?

>she hasn't trained Autotargeting missiles and Defender missiles to V

>>152293213
Refer to >>152282057
And the resulting post chain.

>>152293519
Would you feel better if you could fly a T3?

>>152293519
His friend was fucking them over anonymously, that's hardly something wrong with eve.

>>152294107
That wasn't established.

>>152293987
I'd feel better if wardecks were fixed so shitting on random newbies who want to make a corp of their own is difficult.

Getting those people into bigger ships will just mean they lose a bunch of money because they don't know how to use those ships anyway.

I have always been a combat character in Eve. I am currently training up some industrial and Mining skills. Can somebody please give me a brief overview of how I should start mining? Currently I am in 0.6 security space and I am too scared to go into low security. I am not interested in PvP so low and null security space is scary.

>>152294181
It makes sense for a solo player to harass pve corps.

It does not make sense for him to follow 35 jumps and keep chasing them, especially after the watchlist changes.

>what are locator agents

>>152294229
It's a FFA game. Not getting fucked with is as simple as joining a larger corp.

>>152294439
Free KMs.

>>152294289
Use a mining barge. Here are the mining barges and when to use each:

Covetor: fleet mining with friends or alts in safe locations.
Retriever: AFK mining on your own in some quiet place. Highsec systems on the edges of empire space, the solitude region or highsec islands are usually safe.
procurer: baiting or mining in high traffic highsec systems or mining with a shitload of multiboxed alts. A group of procurers have and will kill unprepared gankers.

>how dare you have a corp with your friends and not join our elite nullblob shitgroup

>>152294289
>combat character

>scared of pvp

>>152294289
>I am currently training up some industrial and Mining skills
stop now, you're making a mistake

>Can somebody please give me a brief overview of how I should start mining
with 6+ accounts, otherwise you're wasting time.

>>152294709
Currently training industry to level 5 so I can get mining barges. It'll take me 6.5 days to get industry level 5 finished. Right now as far as mining vessels go all I have access to is the little mining frigate.

I'm thinking about going for the Retriever when I get access to mining barges since it seems the best for solo mining.

>>152295035
I should have said PvE combat character.

>>152295516
>PVE

>Combat

>it only counts when you shoot players

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I love ships that can carry other ships inside them so obviously I have an Orca and a Bowhead but what I really want is a smaller one.

Something slightly more defensive, aimed at newer players wanting to get into small corp/gang logistics.

Give it a model somewhere in the 700m-1Km range for a size reference, internally supply it with a Ship Maint Bay of 200,000-250,000m3, this allows for a group of frigates, a handful of dessies or even a couple of cruisers to be carried inside it.

Battleship agility, moderate tank capability and the ability to fit one warfare link. I envision a ship carrier that is used in a more active role than the extremely passive Bowhead or the primarily industrially-inclined Orca. I'm tempted to say that it shouldn't have a fitting service.

What do you guys think? Am I utterly fucking retarded? Does it actually sound like a not awful idea? I've not statted it hard as you can see, what would you like it to be capable of without making something else obsolete?

I definitely think there's a niche to be filled as a more affordable ship for a small group.

The Bowhead and Orca are the equivalent of massive freight ships carrying huge cargos, I envision this as something more like a car transporter towing a porta-cabin behind it.

It is admittedly a small niche to fill but I do believe it exists.

>>152295976
yes

>>152296109
epic

>>152295976
Kind of.

You think tanking a specific amount of dps from NPCs is an amazing achievement?

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>>152296180
>epic

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My friend, a 5.8mil so domi pilot, just sent me this kill report.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/55635346/
I really don't know what to think of situations like this. Help me dog.

>>152296057
A DST carries three frigates, that small enough for you?

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>>152296057
>I love putting things inside of me

>>152296343
>4 1600mm plate
I guess he didn't wanna go fast

>T2 hull rigs
uhhh okay

>>152296343
Tell him to get his shit together.

>>152296456
I thought you couldn't put unpackaged ships inside a fleet hangar. Wow this changes everything.

Still, those fleet hangars are a little small as to be unfit for my purpose I think.

>>152296935
it'd take six logi frigates. Or one destroyer and one logi frig.

>>152296204
Nobody ever said anything about amazing achievements, not sure why you mentioned that. PvE combat is still combat. You're shooting shit that's shooting back at you, which is literally the definition of combat. The definition of combat isn't "an amazing achievement".

>burst redesign never

>>152297123
only a retard ever equivocates pve and pvp.

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>>152296343
>Full lasers
>T2 extension rigs

>>152297181
I miss my mining burst.

>>152297220
>omg im so above u

>>152297123
PvE combat is nothing alike to PvP combat.

You don't know shit about engagement profiles, tracking/transversal, explosion radius, sig bloom, brawling or kiting. You don't know a thing about tanking in a PvP situation.

All you know is how to orbit, target an enemy and press F1. That's it.

Incidentally you do have all the PvP qualifications required to join a nullsec blob.

>>152297220
I said "I should have said PvE combat", so I did not equivocate shit.

>>152297460
Hay now.

Sometimes in null you need to keep at range, or even approach!

>>152297460
>implying pvpfags know any of this

>>152297460
>PvE combat is nothing alike to PvP combat.
Which I never alluded to at all. All I said is combat, then I explained I meant PvE combat. PvE engagements are still combat, you are shooting a hostile which is firing back at you, thus it is combat.

>You don't know shit about [...] tracking/transversal, explosion radius...
Well actually I'm now flying Caldari missile ships, which rely almost exclusively on knowing enemy signature radii, velocity, etc while comparing it to your own missiles explosion radius, explosion velocity, etc.

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How much standing do I need to use an agent? I'm tired of doing low level missions.

>>152297838
>which rely almost exclusively on knowing enemy signature radii...

No they don't. They rely on pressing f1. You can be retarded about all these mechanics and still have the correct weapon choice if someone gives you a fit and tells you what to do with it.

>>152297838
Nigga you're just arguing semantics now.

>>152297838
>PvE engagements are still combat
No you're trying to allude to some umbrella term "combat" to try and mix these two when they're nothing alike. You're just purposely using stupidly simple paradigms like "I shot at it" to purposely mix the two

stop it

>>152298059
Train a few level of Connections.

You need something like 2,3,5 standings for the next mission levels.

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>caldari missile ships
>skill

>mfw pvpfags think they are something better

>>152298163
>umbrella term "combat"
com·bat
noun
ˈkämˌbat/
1. fighting between armed forces.

PvP:
Player(s) versus player(s), or PvP, is a type of multiplayer interactive conflict within a game between two or more live participants.

PvE:
Player versus environment, or PvE (also known as Player versus Monster, or PvM in some communities), is a term used in online games, particularly MMORPGs, CORPGs, MUDs, and other online role-playing video games, to refer to fighting computer-controlled enemies[1]—in contrast to PvP (player versus player).


Holy shit look at that, they both fit the definition of combat. Amazing.

>>152298470
PVP fags kick the shit out of PVE fags

you wonder why they create the most and best salt around

>>152296491
pics like these brighten my day.

>Can't call it combat because it's not PvP
Wot.

>>152298470
>get completely btfo because you don't know shit about PvP and think PvE has any relevance to it
>m-meanies think they're better than me
Like pottery

And for the record yes. Yes they are.

>>152298526
Thanks for proving my point

You're literally arguing over semantics because you want to construe PVP with PVE

>le salt argument

>>152298664
He made a post and replies are autistically arguing over semantics.

>>152298664
>you want to construe PVP with PVE
What did I say to give you that idea?

>arguing over semantics doesn't count for some reason

>>152298848
>oh man MUH COMBAT
>what kind of combat are we talking about here?
>PVE
>you shouldn't really refer to it as that since no one uses combat to describe PVE in EVE. Its just confusing. Better to use separate PVE and PVP terms
>NO ITS COMBAT HERES A DEFINITION ALSO SEMANTICS

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join pizza

haha i also love shilling dead corps xD

>xD

>Thalia is half the size of the other logi frigs and nearly a third the size of the Deacon logi frig

What the fuck?

10,000m3 vs 28,700m3

44 Thalias fitted and ready to go in an orca

15 Deacons fitted and ready to go in an orca

Both ships have the same role.

>>152299012
>>my combat character is doing PvE
>DON'T CALL IT COMBAT

>>152299012
I'm using the word combat for both PvE and PvP engagements as per the English definition. I am not however trying to construe PvP with PvE. They are separate, but they are both combat.

If you are mining and have to defend yourself from pirates even that is combat, but obviously not the same as PvP.

>>152299012
Also this: >>152299324

Nobody in their right minds talks about their mission or incursion alt as their combat character.

>>152299324
> I don't PVP at all but I'll use a word that is most associated with PVP when referring to PVE
>wow why is everyone getting confused

>>152299347
It doesn't matter what the english definition is. The association of combat is to PVP, not PVE in this game. The same way we refer to other standard terms in a non-standard way.

>>152299308
this applies to the T1s as well, not just the special snowflake T2 shit. no idea what's going on

>>152299308
Did you look at the massive holes thalias have in their hulls? Not much volume there.

From the last general

>I made a new toon and found there is an opportunity for turning the camera? Do CCP think that all new players THAT braindead?

Found the vid m8, watch it and ask yourself that once more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpQ09N3I1tU

>mfw pvpfags getting this desperate

>>152299491
>>152299497
Same SP. Stop sperging.

>Only just now realized that the reason people call NPC enemies rats is because it's short for pirates.
All this time I thought it was a play on the stereotypical "Kill 5 rats" quests in traditional MMOs.

>>152299712
>Propulsion Jamming is a pve skill
wew lad

>>152299712
It doesn't matter if the same skills are used. The association doesn't belong to PVE which is why its erroneous to refer to PVE as a sort of "combat" regardless of what external definitions of the game are.

>>152299712
>he pvps on his incursion alt
You must literally the only one in the game who does that, congrats.

>having an alt for incursions
>it uses the same skills
>mfw pvpfags are getting even more desperate

how much should my scan probe spheres overlap when i'm closing in on a point?

does the overlap reduce scan strength or what?

>>152299632
Then why aren't minmatar ships all fucking tiny?

>>152299827
>>152299834
>>152299867
Nobody else gets this dumb about calling a character with combat SP a combat character. God dam.

>>152300025
just set them to pinpoint formation, don't move them individually

>>152300202
well yeah, but i mean the spacing between them with ctrl+click

>>152300259
leave it alone. they automatically move closer or whatever appropriately when you drag the range bubbles

>>152298204
I've got Connections at level 4, Negotiation at level 5, and Social at level 4. Should I increase all to level 5? Is there another skill I should get to increase agent standing?

My agent is almost to an effective standing of 2.0 so hopefully I can move up in mission level shortly.

In a ship with no bonuses or with low skills a difficult site may not show up on probes even at their smallest setting, THEN it becomes necessary to move the probes closer to the site signal manually.

There IS a penalty to sensor strength but it only comes into effect when they are extremely close, in normal use, even when you have to move them manually, it'll not present itself.

>>152300815
thank you

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>small ancillary armor repairer
>4.35m

>>152301109
CCP still won't fix them

4M isn't much.

I need a railgun enyo fit.

>>152301412
it nearly doubles the price of your frigate

they used to be only 500k

>>152301557
make one in eft then.

>>152301412
a t2 fitted frigate comes to about 8-10 mil before that rep. once you're done going on about how rich you are you should be able to see that's quite a big % for a module that should really cost like 100-300k

>>152301557
download eft

>>152301614
and do you think charges for ASB don't?

>should cost
Get out market controlers. You want elite frig pvp, you pay for it.

>>152300662
>Should I increase all to level 5?

Nah, train something better.

Check the Agent Finder and look for available higher level agents. Also, make sure you are grinding this for a good corp (Sisters of EVE or Thukker). Others are kinda a waste.

>>152301847
>oy vey they found out
>better shut it down

>>152301847
ccp fucked up the drop rates shitter, everyone knows this. we don't need a special tax for everyone who doesn't want to do meme tanking, kiting or shield faggotry

>>152301649
>>152301686
I would prefer if someone with experience made me one.

>>152302338
https://zkillboard.com/ship/12044/losses/

>>152301557
no you don't. get a comet instead

>>152301890
There are no available level 3 agents for me in my region (Lonetrek). The agent I am currently using is a level 2 security agent with the corporation called Perkone.

>>152301686
>and do you think charges for ASB don't?
theres nothing wrong with ASB's and their charges

they don't cost 4 fucking million

I want EVE but with Elite Dangerous flight mechanics while in third person view and Elite Dangerous visual fidelity. I love how the movement in that game is mostly Newtonian physics based using little thrusters to move around.

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>>152299012
>YOU COULD EVEN SAY THAT TRADING IS PVP

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>nospfags still exist

Where do I see how many missiles a launcher can hold before I buy it?

It's been several years since I played and I'm considering selling off one of my old accounts before the game dies.

Any idea what these would be worth>?

>pilot1
70m sp pure combat, subcaps only, focus on minmatar and gallente, pimped out machariel and a shitload of t2 and t3 minmatar stuff

>pilot2
60m sp pure combat, subcaps only, focus on caldari and amarr, pimped out nightmare and a ton of t2 and t3 amarr and caldari ships

>>152305718
you have to work it out yourself from the capacity and charge size volume

>ccp

>nightmare
worst faction ship

>>152306034
Really? The game is gonna make me do math?
Ugh

>>152305718
>>152306341
It doesn't matter.

>>152306341
>i
Use Pyfa or just fill your missile bays and walla

>wow each launcher holds 40

In game heavy assault missile launcher description:
>A launcher intended for use on cruiser-class spacecraft. While assault launchers do not possess the sheer damage-dealing capability of regular heavy missile launchers, their blend of speed and attack power lends them application across a good range of tactical situations.
>do not possess sheer damage-dealing capability of heavy missiles
>blend of speed and attack power
>less damage-dealing, more attack power

What the fuck does this mean?

>she doesn't know

>>152307079
lower alpha

but they don't have good speed I think, they only fly at a couple of km/s if I remember correctly

>>152307079
Missile go phwooosh big fast and go bang small big

>>152307293
ge ge ge ge ecks dee dee xDdd

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Can somebody please explain these numbers to me?
1. Why do missiles have structure damage resistance?
2. Why is the "damage" different from the "base shield" and "base armor" damage?
3. Which number tells me how much actual damage should be done to the target?

Thanks.

>>152307907
>1. Why do missiles have structure damage resistance?
because the missile itself is an object that can be destroyed. Sometimes if a fleet is anticipating enemy missile ships, they'll bring whats called a "firewall battleship" with smartbombs. The smartbombs kill missiles before they hit their targets.

>base shield and base armor
these stats don't matter anymore, they're old stats that haven't been used in forever. The only metric that matters is the "base damage"
>which number tells me how much actual damage should be done to the target
the number in game listed as "DPS" and the damage per volley described when you group all your launchers together. This doesn't take into account limiting factors like target speed and target sig radius

>>152308009
Missiles can be shotted down

>>152308009
you can hit missiles with AOE damage, so bombs and smartbombs. they slightly resist their own damage type, for whatever reason

base shield/armor damage is just the 142 in this case resisted by the standard T1 resists. bear in mind that all races have +10% to 1 damage type on armour, so they have higher resists than that. mfw there's no racial T1 shield resist bonuses

the actual number you want to see is the 142. it's easier to factor in enemy resists into their hp or rep amount than taking it out of your damage, when modelling these things. so if I have 50% resists, my 'effective hitpoints' are double what my actual hitpoints are. this is the way everyone does it, it's easier

What happened to defender missiles?

>>152308109
So the only number that matters for the base damage number of a given missile is the elemental damage number, in the above example 142 hp of kinetic damage?

The various missile types don't affect shields, armor, and hull differently like they used to with the base damage stat?

>>152308482
they're useless

>>152308539
Have they been removed or do they just not work anymore?

I don't actually play, haven't played in years, I just like to haunt these threads.

>>152308534
>So the only number that matters for the base damage number of a given missile is the elemental damage number, in the above example 142 hp of kinetic damage?
correct

that base damage is affected by skills that increase the damage of your missile

>>152308654
...and on top of skills and enemy resists the signature radius, target velocity, and explosion radius/velocity also affect damages right? Jesus fuck this is complicated.

>>152308623
its not that they don't work its that they do dick damage and a Firewall is better in everyway.

>The various missile types don't affect shields, armor, and hull differently like they used to with the base damage stat?
Nope, a Missile will hit armor, shield or hull the same way and the only other thing that reduces damage is resists

>>152308776
Let me guess, CCP didn't buff defenders damage when they did the blanket missile buff?

>>152308748
>...and on top of skills and enemy resists the signature radius, target velocity, and explosion radius/velocity also affect damages right? Jesus fuck this is complicated.
yea it can be

heres the full description on how all missiles work
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Missile_Damage

>>152304218
EVE is mostly newtonian.

>>152308937
yes

they also buffed missile structure HP so that made them even more useless

What's this warp-drag rig thing?

I don't think I fully understand what it does.

At first reading I thought "Hmm, it lowers your top speed and is to do with warp.. so.. it makes you hit warp speed faster?" but on subsequent readings that doesn't seem to make sense.

>>152309342
You mean higgs anchors?

They double your mass but instead of getting an agility penalty to your mass, it gives you a fuck ton of agility at the other expense of losing a lot of speed

They're meant for rolling wormholes for wormhole livers

>>152309423
Ah, excuse my ignorance, so they're for someone to collapse a wormhole faster?

I thought with the reduction of top speed but the increase of agility it would make you go into warp very quickly so could be useful for haulers.

Still, thanks for explaining that mate.

>>152308748
it's really not complicated. stop thinking about resists, and also stop thinking about the stats. you should think about the target and what weapon you're using. heavy missiles are a cruiser weapon. if you're shooting stuff bigger than a cruiser you will do full damage all the time. if you're shooting a cruiser, you will usually do a bit less than full damage, and you can top it up with webs, painters and guidance enhancers/computers. if you're shooting smaller stuff you will need more. also afterburners make stuff harder to hit. a web approximately counters an afterburner. also NPCs are basically babby shit, and are easier to hit than real ships usually

it's much better to just get a feel for things than get all autism about stats for no reason. if you want to get the sig shit clear in your head though, think of it as your missile application as explosion velocity (more is better) / explosion radius (less is better) vs their 'target evasiveness' of velocity / sig radius

>dog

>>152309568
Just use an afterburner or MWD with a short cycle rate and turn it off when aligning for warp. You'll warp near instantly.

>>152309703
all afterburners and mwds have the same cycle rate

The Higgs Anchor is for miners.

It offers an 11% agility bonus.
This stacks with other agility bonuses.
It allows you to stay aligned in belt for an extended period without leaving mining range.

An aligned miner using one of these warps far faster than you can stop them. This ties in with the removal of grav sites, it's far easier to get found in a grav site now so it is far easier to GTFO with a higgs anchor.

Killing wormholes is a secondary, minor, effect.

>minor

>>152311338
This was literally given to wormholers for the purpose of rolling wormholes. They literally advertised it in their patch notes as they used a Proteus for example how its mass was on par with a megathron

>>152311458
Minor in that for the purpose of collapsing a wormhole all it does is make it happen faster, which can also be achieved in other ways.

However, for the purpose of staying aligned no other thing fulfills the role.

The higgs anchor allows a procurer to stay aligned for warp, with no need to adjust and open yourself up, for the entire time needed to fill its hold. That's a unique thing which cannot be replicated in any other way.

This Dev post mentions Miners and Wormholers in the same sentence, both were in mind with the creation of this rig but for miners it does something which can not be achieved any other way. For killing a wormhole its effect can be replicated by simply using a bigger ship to begin with. I'm not saying it's NOT for that.

>>152311776
Forgot to link the damn post:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5159286

>>152311776
>in other ways.
With a higgs anchor, you reduce the number of jumps by half. Thats not minor at all. Before you had to jump 8 battleships through, now its only 4

Literally no miner uses that shit because 99% of miners can't even properly fit ship.

>>152311964
I'm not saying it isn't for that.

But without a higgs anchor you can simply jump 8 times, understand?

Without a higgs anchor on the procuror you cannot stay aligned at speed, you can't. You HAVE to adjust your direction to stay in range of whatever you are mining, thus opening yourself up to being caught as you re-align in another direction. That's all i'm saying. They're actually really useful for ninja mining. Just stay aligned, hit warp the moment you see anything and boom, essentially you instantly warp out

>>152312283
>But without a higgs anchor you can simply jump 8 times, understand?
Without a higgs anchor for your miner you can just run inertial stabilizers and just limit your speed to half so you align super quick

>>152312491
That isn't actually the same though, you warp when you hit the button with a higgs anchor.I stabs make warping faster than usual obviously but it's still a faster warp, not an instant warp.

A proc doing a 20km pass on an asteroid while aligned will have time for 11 cycles without ever having to realign, meaning that as soon as he is full, tap warp and you're out of there with no delays and no window to be caught while aligning.

A proc going at 50% speed would cross the asteroid diameter considerably faster, meaning it cannot mine enough to fill itself, thus requiring a realignment during which time you are vulnerable.

There's also the fact that the higgs anchor makes you more bump resistant.

It's a really useful little thing for miners and saying it is only for rolling wormholes, when the initial CCP post about them mentions mining and wormholes in the same breath, is doing it a disservice. It introduces a tactic which cannot be done without it.

>>152296648
Yeah but, how.

ded game
ded thred

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I just randomly received this message from an unknown agent while on a mission. What's this about?

>>152314298
For every so many missions you do you get one of those. Check your journal for an agent mission you didn't have before. When you complete it you'll get a big standing increase.

>>152314615
Sweet thanks for the info. Maybe now I can finally move on to level 3 agents.

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>>152314298

Do not worry my friend. xhe just wants some ore, luckily for you there is a bit on the market just for you and for a great price! Don't risk your poor mining ship, you never know where those evil gankers will strike next.

No need to thank me, just remember mission hub station traders are your greatest ally.

So I want to venture into low sec space but I'm worried I'll get randomly killed by some griefer or pirate. How do I survive in low sec?

I've got a level 2 agent who has 1.9 standing and he'll give me a job, but a level 3 agent with the same 1.9 standing won't talk to me. What gives? Why can't I get level 3 missions holy fucking shit these level 2 missions are retarded.

>>152317491
A simple google search will tell you you need 2.0 effective standing with an agent to get level 3 missions. Learn to find out things for yourself instead of crying to others, it's a necessity in Eve, far more than most games.

>>152317841
Google failed me here:
I have been doing missions for two days straight. Why has the level 3 agent standing not increased at all despite the level 2 agent standing now at almost 8?

>>152318306
>>152317491
eve university has a good wiki, last time I checked

>>152318306
Doing missions for an agent raises your standing with their corporation. Corporation standing is taken into account when calculating your effective standing for agents belonging to that corporation. Are the level 2 and level 3 agents you're looking at part of the same corporation?

>>152317841
3.0 effective standing* typo, sorry

>>152318482
The "mission running guide" link of eve university wiki took me to a different wiki that has since been shut down.

Fantastic.

>>152318998
Thanks for the info. Yes both agents are part of Caldari Navy.

>>152319101
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Missions

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Missioning_101

>>152319290
You should be getting a storyline mission for every 16 regular missions you do with them. Storyline missions will give you a huge boost to your standing with that corporation.

>>152319378
I just completed my first storyline mission for the corp about 20 minutes ago and my level 3 agent still has 1.9 effective standing.

>>152305718
pyfa shows that value

>>152309568
they were made as a way for people to mine while aligned and at warp entry speed but still stay in range of the roid for a while. people realized they were useful for rolling wormholes afterwards. they do make you align a bit faster, but there are better ways with less drawbacks that are used more often.

>>152319378
>http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Missions
Excellent, thank you this is exactly what I needed to read.

One thing it didn't go over though was agent standing and why it's important. Is there any benefit to the individual agent standing or just corp and faction?

>>152321804
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Standings_and_Standing_Mechanics

"Personal Standing" near the middle.

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>has time to post on nmsg
>doesnt have time to bump the thread on page 10

>>152284432
This has got to be some sort of meme. broski is the only actually good v corp.

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>good
>corp affiliated with 4chan
>broski

Pick one.

>>152325483
Out of the cards on the table, I'd pick broski every time.

>>152324781
broski is the only /v/ group. white stag is a /vg/ group.

>>152330378
hhahahahahah

BROSKI IS DEAD

>>152293213

oookayyyy
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6602429#post6602429

ten

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>frigate cap

>rep punisher
>ab

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Whoever will be creating the next thread,
can you please mention that Eve Down Under is going to happen in November?

Astero or Helios?

>>152338981
helios

>>152338507
Kevin should do that for you.

who is she

>>152339778
Why do you keep posting this shit?

Hello /eog/, I want to start playing eve, can someone link me with a referal code or something?

>>152345975
Due to reasons, you need to post an email

>>152344181
What did you mean by this?

>>152346025
holy shit I´m retarded
email is: [email protected]

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>>152346167
sent

>>152346167
Sent.

I've never sent one of those before. I hope it works out for you.

>>152346231
>>152346252
wow, I didn´t expect so many (you)s on my first post here, thank you!

Fuck off Grarr.

>Fuck off Grarr
>coming from the remove SP fag

No I'm kev.

>pretending to be me

>she likes to pretend

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join tengoo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iEpE53-n2s

>tfw this thread would be twice as good if PERUNGA ran it

literally who

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>snuff

>that one guy who was ganked by snuff in tama still post on /eog/

>guy

>not guy

>implying I didn't used to help PERUNGA camp the shit out of Norv gate.

>unironic camp shitters on r/eog

>>152348945
More like
>get online
>Perunga: yo we're gonna be doin' some roam shit later get in fleet m8s
>ends up camping norv gate for ten hours instead while PERUNGA snorts coke

There is a reason I left.

>>152349382
being unironically allied with project gayhem must suck too

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>[13:10] <ccp_fozzie> We'll be giving titans a special boosting module (along with keeping the ability to use the normal ones). We're definitely aware that it's not going to be exactly the same as the current boosts that you don't need to fit for, but non-module boosts are going the way of the dodo.

>special boosting module

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>special boosting module

>if you want to give +50% hp to 250 people, you need to be on grid and fit this module, so it's balanced now

>>152292256
>thinks all-out is cancer
>checking out literal reddit/autist corps
i was in bovril back in the day and I know its even shittier now. Karmafleet are fags and were only good for ratting alts prior to easter war, if you want to join goons join one of the other member corps.

Or just join All-Out and bait in a Procurer all day.

foozie give people a special boosting disruption module too

why aren't there neutron stars in eve?

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>>152354258

>>152354445
but pulsars aren't cool enough, I want my texas sized barely visible ball

>>152354823
(That's lady scarlet, friend)

srsly?

Just make links not work while in pos bubble/tether.

just remove links completely

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OH BOY I CAN'T WAIT FOR ALL THE SAVED MINING FLEETS WITH THE NEW RORQUAL MODULE

I'm pretty noob (almost 3 million SP). What's the best way for me to start doing solo PvP shit? I'm working on getting level 5 mastery with frigs.

>>152355581
undock in a frigate go to low or null and pvp

>>152355691
>Undocking

srs though, should I try doing FW or anything like that?

>Small mining corp gets wardecced
>Fit higgs anchor to my skiff
>Literally cannot be caught in a belt
>Even cloakers trying to bump and tackle cannot catch me

This thing is OP as fuck.

I mean, sure, i've gone from mining in the mack to mining in the skiff, which is a reduction in output obviously but it's a lot better than not mining at all.

lowsec is ded, go to null

Returning old player here, have clone grades been removed?

Do you still lose SP on pod-destruction?

Is there anything stopping me from jumping to an implant-free clone and then going and having cheap frigate fun?

>>152355758
>>152355691
>>152355581
Before you start, you need to understand that solo pvp is shit and solo frigate pvp is even worse shit.

Now that's out of the way, pick your appropriate racial frigate, stick shitty mods onto it and then go die repeatedly to everyone else until you know better.

Where you go do this isn't really important, but null might be easier since people aren't as likely to have links.

>>152356212
Yes

No

No

>>152356352
Haha, excellent!

Thank you, I will go have fun.

>>152356212
>Returning old player here, have clone grades been removed?
Yes

>Do you still lose SP on pod-destruction?
No

>Is there anything stopping me from jumping to an implant-free clone and then going and having cheap frigate fun?
No

>""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""solo"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" pvp

>>152355786
I honestly do not understand how people actively pay attention to the game while mining.

It's just so fucking boring. I would get caught and killed every time.

>>152356212
Join RvB if you want to pvp in cheap frigates. You can even keep your implants because there's a no podding rule.

>>152346157
Why would you keep posting nsfw images on a blue board.

>>152355173
They did that a long time ago. No links from bubble and links break tether.

>>152357350
It ain't me

>>152355786
It's not that much of a reduction though, is it?

Also you tank like a battleship and hit like a destroyer, why even warp out?

How have skill injectors changed the game? What does 1M SP cost?