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POS create content Edition

old thread: >>152276161
permalink: http://orph.link/eog

>Can I make enough ISK to PLEX during the trial?
If you have to ask, you can't do it.

>I just started, what should I do?
Do the Opportunities then all the Career Agent missions; they give you ISK, ships, skillbooks and teach you basics. Talk to players and try to find a corp. The game is only as boring as you are.

>Is it too late to start playing EVE?
No.

>Read the /eog/ pastebin: http://pastebin.com/ser9Acpg

>Focus Group Logs: https://focusgrouplogs.tech.ccp.is/

Future:
>Winter: drilling platforms
>Fall: industrial arrays, barge visuals, AOE BOOST/LINK REWORK, Rorqual rework
>Nov 25: Eve Down Under
>Oct 28: Eve Vegas
>Sep 12: CSM 11 first summit

Past:
>Aug 20: Battle in SH1-6P, NC/PL smack CO2/TEST, 1.25t destroyed, ~300b more than Asakai but 9x less than B-R http://imgur.com/a/YhwzU
>Aug 13: https://soundcloud.com/orangeeagle/wh-csm-townhall-13aug2016
>Aug 09: Citadel contracts, damage/repping visuals, DX11 clouds performance boost, cargo notifications
>Jul 26: AT prizes announced (blood raider variations)
>Jul 23: Goons moving to Delve, SMA alliance closes
>Jul 19: Broski joins then kills QFC
>Jul 18: Billboards submissions open
>Jul 07: AT 14 rule changes: 10 players, no cap-transfer, no jumpdessies, blood raider ships encouraged
>Jun 29: "Shadow of the Serpent" event began, serp capitals introduced
>Jun 28: Citadel trading, tactical overlay vectors, new implants, legal drugs, NSA nerfs, triage/seige/bastion give ECM immunity, mass fitting tool
>Jun 23: RIP SP dailies
>May 30: RIP Dust 514 (long live Project Nova)
>May 12: Name ships automatically with a saved fit name
>May 06: Eve Online 13th Anniversary
>Apr 27: Citadels & cap rebalance released. Tears, bugs, etc. RIP rolling yachts.
>Mar 09: Massive mod tiercides that broke a lot of fits.
>Feb 09: SP trading
>Foozie makes a bunch of stupid pointless changes (don't ever remove this from the OP, because it is always true)
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>Amarr
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OFFICIAL LIST OF WORST TYPES OF PLAYERS IN EVE:

1. Nullsec botters/ratters/mission runners
2. Highsec botters/ratters/mission runners
3. Nullbabby napfest blobbers
4. Lowsec 'elite' link-alt slave set pvpers
5. 'hisec pvp'
6. Miners
7. Industrialists
8. Traders
9. Scammers

9001. Honorabru solo roamers

90001. Small gang NPC sov nullsec/lowsec

900001. C5-6 WH pvpers
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>>152485509
First for, fuck you, you can't make me log in to kill an eos.
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HEY GUYS WE ARE FORMING A FLEET BUT WE NEED SOMEONE TO FLY LINKS AND IF YOU DIE WE BLAME IT ON YOU
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>allowing your links to get trackled by shitty ceptors
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>>152485824
I'LL BRING MY SIX LINK ON GRID EOS
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>citadels are supposed to replace POS's but can't even insure ships or repair modules
>some CCP turd thought this was a good idea

my autism is on defcon fucking one right now
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>>152486190
or repair modules

The tether repairs modules.
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>this thing is 1000% more powerful than it should be

>should ccp fix it, or should we all just 'adapt' by using it all the time and thinking we're smart
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>small gang forms up
>somebody asks if he can bring a Eos
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>>152486315
>it's fine, just fit all of those hundreds of modules to ships, then undock and wait outside for 5 minutes like 50 times
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>>152486315
>have to wait for an eternity in front of station to get repaired instead of just docking, instant repair, and undocking

WHO COMES UP WITH THIS
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>>152486485
>try to tackle enemy fleet's pair of link eoses in my crusader
>tfw die to tracking bonused dual 150mm railguns
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>>152486547
>>152486512
IF it was up to me repairing modules wouldn't be a thing. I'd rather have you have to have hundreds of replacements stored up and just scrap the slightly broken ones.

Get fucked.
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>>152486745
and drones
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>>152486745
>your fleet somehow wasn't able to warp to you
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>>152486850
>heavy drones track perfectly thanks to info linked tp v bellicose
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>>152486850
And everyone else on the fleet shooting at it the second it got in point range

>>152486925
They all landed 70km from the Eos current position
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>>152486925
>fleet initiates warp
>you die
>enemy command destroyer jumps eoses away
>fc kicks you from alliance
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>>152486768
>no fun allowed
back to jita, gayboi

bet u haven't even trained thermodynamics 1
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>>152487091
>They all landed 70km from the Eos current position
more like 25km off, and the eos dies
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>not always keeping a mjd destroyer with the Eos to link it and jump it so the Eos can jump again with its own mjd
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>>152487109
>only 1 interceptor was in fleet and you're not allowed to use more than 1
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>needing to mjd when you have tracking bonused railguns
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>>152487228
You mean the eos warps
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>>152487389
>no defensive bubblers are in the enemy fleet and they're not allowed to use any
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>>152487389
>Many ceptors burning straight at you
>Kiting fleet shoots half down with help of their counter ceptors
>Warp when they get to close
Now they have less verities and can't try that shit again
Cool
Happens every time
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m8s what if links and rlml got completely removed
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>>152487597
caracal would stop being the number 1 used cruiser
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>>152487597
Maybe in 8 years anon
Once they introduce the T5Ds with 25 modes and global cap less guns that shoot missiles with neuts and the new de-linking ewar.
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>>152487193
No you, double fuckboi

I would have hoped as gamers we have learned that balancing towards player convenience ruins games 100% of the time.
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>>152487597
but then linkfag would have to adapt and actually get good at the game
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>>152487759
>Implying de-linking wouldn't be a good E-War
Give it to cruiser pirate ships for some reason.
Works like ecm and it turns off all the links the targeted ship is recieving, no falloff or optimal, it just werks at any range.
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>>152488036
thats pretty OP and pretty pointless at the same time

just shoot at the links
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>>152487786
You fags would still bitch about something else.

Muh implants, muh drugs, muh pirate ships, muh clicking in space, muh svipuls, muh recons, muh BLOPS, muh carriers. Etc
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I-I'm helping!
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>>152488220
drugs are fine retard
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>>152488220
The worst mistake of the modern game is community input in balancing.
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>>152488183
Good links are impossible to catch.

>>152488250
>Combining plates with reps
Goddammit dog, not again
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>>152488254
>only 1000 dps tanked
>not even cap stable
>dual 150's
>hitting any interceptor ever
>a couple of small neuts shuts this entire thing off
>2-3 cruisers overwhelms this tank
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>triple rep


I want meme fits to leave
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>>152488348
Tell that to all the faggots complaining about having to use consumables
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>>152488572
which faggots? I've never heard anyone bitch about drugs and shit
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>>152488396
I think community input is good. you just have to filter out the retards, which is really a lot of people
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>>152488645
So only listen to top 3 AT people
Got it
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>>152488645
Many games need community input. What happened before when CCP didn't take any community input is what caused burn jita
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>>152488220
And you fags would still bitch about the people bitching, so you can continue to feel superior.
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>>152488832
>Feel
We ARE superior
1v1 me at the sun
All is allowed
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>>152488758
more like listen to well reasoned arguments, it's pretty easy
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>AT
>PVP
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>>152488985
Reddit makes well reasoned arguments all the time.
They just happen to be reasoned towards the wrong demography.
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>>152488645
Theres non-retards that will push for multiple differing viewpoints on what the game should try and achieve, People that highly value PvP in EVE that aren't dumb would actively provide input that would make the sandbox far shittier.

Balancing is the most important thing for PvP, high skill cap is also important, many options is important but less important than the other two. A person pushing for PvP could reasonably argue that having to buy ships and ammo and modules just gets in the way of people PvPing. But that would also severely fuck up everything that EVE was created to be.

I'd rather have a team of developers headed by an idealistic director that makes everything in the game towards a centralized vision while completely disregarding profits and player input.
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>>152489224
>A person pushing for PvP could reasonably argue that having to buy ships and ammo and modules just gets in the way of people PvPing.
No they wouldn't thats a mechanic of the game which few other MMO's have

If you die in PVP in other MMO's theres no loss, you just spawn in the last place you died, you still have your shit and gear and theres no loss.
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>>152488958
>We ARE superior

Superior at being shit. Checkmate r/eve shitter.
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>>152489224
you think it's really bad for some reason to have devs that sometimes read their own forums, because you think they will take all the shitty posts as some kind of vote and do what the shitters want?
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>>152489406
Not true, many MMOs deal with exp loss and equipment loss.
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>>152489406
People would, and have argued for this.
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>mfw CCP would rather post and read reddit than their own forums

no wonder everything functions so well
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>>152489459
You got me there
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>>152489528
>Not true, many MMOs deal with exp loss and equipment loss.
Hardly

GW2 you lose nothing and your armor loses a little affinity which is pointless since you can just repair it literally anywhere
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>exp
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>you lose exp

wow, it's fucking nothing
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>>152489537
>they would because I said so

t. some retard on the forums or reddit that wants an extremely unpopular notion
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>>152489610
this really triggers me, and not even in a grr reddit way. post things about your game on the official site, not fucking twitter or whatever

tfw guard will never hang out in r/eog with us
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>>152488250
Look mum, I posted it again! xD!!1
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>>152488417
I know the feeling. shitters taking a sensible plate + rep fit and ruining it with more reps is really upsetting
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>>152489942
Remember Tibia?
PvP always enabled.
Dying to anything or anyone dropped your backpack and random gear pieces, exp loss was massive.
I'm talking 2 weeks worth of grinding to get back at high levels.
Only way to get exp was to kill npcs, no quests.
Most high level equipment was worth 5 PLEX each in comparison wo their premium token subscription own.
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>>152487784
That's not true. Removing SP would make the game popular.
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>>152490601
GW2 is popular.
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>>152490601
>mfw replying to no-sp fag
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>>152490601
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>no-sp fags have to insert themselves into everything to feel relevant
>mfw skill injector made them all irrelevant in a single swoop
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>>152491003
Character bazaar existed long before noskill injectors though.
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>she doesn't want EVE to be a game where only real-life player skills and only real-life player skills matter
>she fell for the white guilt of CCP
Wake up sheeple...
Stay woke...
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>>152491125
But injectors was the final swing of the axe
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From the other thread:

"You can increase your wealth by a statistical 2.09% an hour by flipping PLEX from buy orders in a citadel to Jita.

Minimum limit 10b, upper efficient investment limit per hour, 63bil.

63b * 2.09% per hour is +20.9% per 10 hours, or 76b, or 13bil per 10 hours of consistent, bot-level flipping.

To compare the profitability of that, the second most profitable item (per hour) is currently Logic Circuit, with a statistical hourly flipping profit of 79mil and an upper limit of investment of 734mil. The following 10 items ranked in profitability can be flipped for a total of 380mil per hour with a required 13.5bil in reserve to do so, or a 2.8% ROI per hour (3.8b per 10).

The top 10 items change hourly and profitability fluctuates in the ranges of 200mil to 500mil, with capital required ranging from as low as 2b to 20b. The PLEX fluctuates from high profitability to high unprofitability (spread too tight to pass Jita taxes), which forces the spread to expand by either increasing top sell prices in a bull trend, or decreasing top buy offers in a bear trend. The trend usually follow the model for a week, which is a good mid-term investment if you manage to identify the trend.

This has been your daily spreadsheet statistics autism."

So, you're getting all of us cap characters for /eog/ sov?
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but how do you transport them safely without getting ganked?
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>>152491384
instawarp interceptors
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>>152491384
JFs
And blockade runners with Instadock
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>>152489224
>People that highly value PvP in EVE that aren't dumb would actively provide input that would make the sandbox far shittier
>pushing for PvP could reasonably argue that having to buy ships and ammo and modules just gets in the way of people PvPing
This has been your /eog/ shitpost. In the future, please keep to stuff that would actually happen or that you have literally any reason to post, whether scientific or actual forum posts.
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/eog/ Titans roam when?
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>>152491564
eog does have titans tho
Even all-out has a titan
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>>152488254
Is there a price point per ship that makes a fleet profitable? Is PvP ever flown for profititability except gatecamps?
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>>152491747
Ganking, that's about it.
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>>152490712
Not really.

Also not particularly on topic.
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>instadock bookmarks
>jump freighters
So how will I prevent someone from jumping a titan into my cyno alt, bumping my freighter out of alignment/docking, and doomsdaying my ship and my pod?
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>not omen
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>>152491990
>So how will I prevent someone from jumping a titan into my cyno alt,
don't invite them to fleet?
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>>152491975
Yes it is.

>>152491990
>Invulnerability window
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/eog/ AF roam when
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>>152491172
THIS!

Inb4 "b-but EVE isn't about s-skill.. what would I have without m-my SP??" Enjoy the game without getting upshipped on where you can't do anything about it.
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>>152491990
because you're in dock range and/or invulnerable at all times

only a massive shitter could lose a jump freighter
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>>152492086
Only if it's arty jaguars
Or lml shield vengeances
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>>152492085
It has huge critical and market disapproval.

It's WoW without trinity roles and decent PvP.
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>>152492365
Still popular
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>WoW
>ever
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>>152492365
>It has huge critical and market disapproval.
If that was true then no one would play it. But currently it has far more players than EVE does
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>>152492339
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>>152492665
>But currently it has far more players than EVE does
That's probably not a huge achievement.

>>152492483
Are there even active player numbers?
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>>152494049
You'll have to check the numbers in WvWvW.
Since the game has no subscription and they don't track players online
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Hey fellas, I started the game a couple of days ago and I'm looking for a buddy invite. I plan to pay for a subscription
[email protected]
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>>152491525
You can't control me, I'd die before posting on the internet with scinetific or any evidence regarding my opinions on a video game.

I don't have to prove anything fedora-lord
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>>152494403
>opinions
>ever
Truth says hey. It's nice over here, btw.
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>>152494292
Sent you one man
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>>152494292
sent, make sure to check the message so I know your in game name and I can give you the plex.
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>mfw it's the nospfag again trying to convince everybody that hes altruistic but in reality he wants more easy access alts and power for himself and his alliance
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>>152494561
>openly inviting shitters to argue for hours about something that's almost purely opinion based.
>people just scrounge up "evidence" thats completely irrelevant.
>People are actually just waiting for someone to say a fallacy or something else retarded so they can call the other person out on it.

Nah I'd rather just chalk it up to I have an opinion on a game and its fine if someone else disagrees, they just have shit taste,.
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>>152495115
>implying a character plus alts can define the game
Fozzy sov.
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>Mining in 0.7 system
>Two rats spawn in, one with a normal 5k-ish bounty and one with a 60k bounty
>60k bounty one drops 115m implant
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>>152495192
Scientific studies have plenty of validity. Pls stop the projection. Posting ludicrous drivel on a video game forum without any substance is the definition of non-contribution.
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>>152495598
>mining
>ever
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>>152495598
why the fuck are faction spawn in hisec belts now
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>>152495598
Lucky
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So what's the deal with meta modules? Maybe I'm missing something but they seem to be better than the base t1 modules they're based off of, take less power grid/CPU to fit, and are cheaper. Is there any reason to use the base ones?
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>>152496053
They always have, they're just fucking rare, and only frigates.
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>>152495664
>Scientific studies have plenty of validity.

Yeah, for what though?

>What makes a game popular
>What increases subscriber retention
>What increases activity

None of those things are
>what makes a good game
or
>what makes a game better

I don't care how many people you could get to play EVE if you changed a bunch of stuff. The only thing I care about is whether EVE remains EVE. Dwarf Fortress would get way more people to play it if it had a modern UI and graphics. But I'd rather have toady just do whatever toady wants to do and make the game a better game. Making the game more accessible has absolutely nothing to do with the game being good.
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>>152496214
>Yeah, for what though?
>>What makes a game popular
>>What increases subscriber retention
>>What increases activity
>None of those things are
>>what makes a good game
>or
>>what makes a game better

Popularity is often associated with game quality. You can't just ignore that trend to make a no-argument about "muh accessibility". No SP has no effect on veterans except more content. There's no argument against this, because more options/efficiency is more interest is more content.
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>>152495664
>Posting ludicrous drivel on a video game forum without any substance is the definition of non-contribution.
>forum
>pot calling kettle back
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>kevin
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>>152496532
>Popularity is often associated with game quality
lol no
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>>152496214
>>152496532
Not to mention there are objective measurements of what makes a game great based on what's motivating. In the design of whether or not a mechanic is likely to cause a player to come back, SP is very low on that.
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>>152496532
>popularity is often associated with game quality.
Yeah, the more popular a game is the worse it is because its catering to as many preferences as possible. It basically has to empirically be shit in order to be popular. Just like pretty much everything else.
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>>152496761
Not a rebuttal on the point of the post. Somebody says something can't be rebutted, and you ignore that statement for the low-hanging fruit. Fucking baited. Skillfulness, m8. Bring it.

>>152496895
>more things without evidence
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>>152496532
>Popularity is often associated with game quality.

Now why would you post ludicrous drivel on a video game image board.
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>he posts the entire time without any evidence, has no examples of anything and posts not a xxx meme every time somebody responds

m8s why do you still fall for this meme
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>>152497251
Why can't it be refuted that SP is awful for game enjoyment or that removing it has no effect on veteran play except more stuff to experience?
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>>152497020
I'm never going to use evidence.
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>i need more stuff to experience
This isn't eve m8.
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>>152497582
>this isn't a game
>this isn't a roleplaying game
>this isn't a sub game where you're paying for content
>this isn't a game where PvP is the main point of play, and thus efficiency is central
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>>152496532
>Popularity is often associated with game quality

And call of duty is the highest quality game made to date?
If you say so anon.
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>>152497839
CoD 4 is really fun. It spawned the popularity of the game, which can now sell on name and being a huge social gathering.

You're not proving a point by cherry picking.
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>>152497424
I bet your the type of person that save scums and cheats in single player games because "it lets you experience more things!" except it doesn't let you experience the intended power curve of unlocking shit and slowly gaining access to more of the game like experience/levels is intended to do in literally every game ever.
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>>152497424
Can't refute something that hasn't been proven.
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>>152497954
>Sandbox MMO
>having an intended power curve of unlocking shit and gaining access to more of the game
>20 years of skill queues
Wew.

>>152498072
Look up motivation, extrinsic vs intrinsic. Even CCP claims this is how they should design their game.
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>>152498185
A single character isn't supposed to do everything.
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>>152498185
>look up

That's not a rebuttal or proof of anything.

If you can't definitely prove that EVE would do both in terms of population and quality better, with similar examples of that then you have no ground to stand on.

Post proofs.
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>>152498372
There's no reason for that, nor could they actually "do everything".

>>152498389
>That's not a rebuttal or proof of anything.
How would you know?
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>>152498505
>look up

That's not a rebbutal or proof. Either you post proof or you don't have it.
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yeah faggot post proof
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>>152498928
>>152499076
This is autism.
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>here's a thing more popular than eve
>therefore if we turn eve into that, eve will become more popular
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>>152499132
Except a limitless sandbox MMO doesn't exist. There's this nice idea, uniqueness. EVE would have that if it weren't for extreme gating.
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>>152499126
>no proof yet again

Just as expected.

Mates, stop responding to obvious bait next time. Every thread it ends the same way, he has no proof and calls everybody autistic afterwards.

Now how do we make the navy caracal good.
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>>152496201
So I guess that's a no?
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>>152499381
Your ideas of proof aren't realistic. "Prove that EVE would be more popular for something that hasn't happened yet."

Please stop acting like a shitter, m8.
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>>152500002
That's how proof works. If you can't prove it with example then all you're doing is speculating.

Stop acting autistic and post proof.
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So, I started a couple days ago, got some destroyers and doing security contracts, now on level 2.
What should I be doing next?
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>>152500205
pvp m8, find some fw corp or in the worst case one of the learning corps and rek shitters.
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>>152500205
Whatever you want, don't fall into the running missions forever trap. Find a corp that interests you.
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>>152500194
There are proofs for ideas beyond exact population percentages of how the game would end up. I asked you to look up what's motivating, which would evidence player subscription and log-on trends, but again, you're acting like a brat.
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>>152500413
>You're acting like a brat.

Coming from the guy without any solid proof, that's fucking rich.
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>small gang forms up
>somebody asks if he can bring a maller
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>>152500534
Way to ignore everything and act like a shitter.
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>>152500395
>>152500357
>Find a corp that interests you.
Problem is that I don't really know what I want to focus on in the long run.
I like building and crafting stuff, while making money on the side but what's the fun in that if you cannot use it?

Also, why are some of the ship designs in this game so damn retarded?
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I have all day
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>>152501106
>no proof the post
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>>152501282
>I don't know what I like

might join euni then, at least you can do about everything there, as soon as you find out what you like bail and go join a proper corp
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>>152501282
Have you done the career agent missions? They give you a quick look at what some of your options in eve are. Building stuff is a perfectly viable way to make money but it requires skills and blueprints that you won't have for a while. Maybe doing that on the side can be part of your long term plan. What other kinds of things do you like to do in other games?
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>amarr
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Any good games where I can space truck and progress aka. space sims?

Excluding ED and EVE
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>>152502129
x3 or the x series or whatever it's called. you sound like a faggot though
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>>152502129
>good
Nope.

Unless you count older games, in which case you should try freelancer if you haven't already
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>>152502129
no mans sky
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>>152497684
EVE is all about figuring out your source of income. What you do with the cash later is literally irrelevant.
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>>152502285
the 'space trucking' in freelancer doesn't really go anywhere. you'll spend 90% of the time doing combat stuff, and you can't go anywhere because the plot doesn't let you, and you could just go into a nebula and pick up some shit from a wreck and make mad dosh instead of hauling stuff for hours. the hauling and trading seems like an afterthought much like everything else that isn't just playing through the story missions
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>>152501387
Then prove that EVE is better with SP. Oh wait, you can't.
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>>152502514
Spoken like a poorfag.

I got so much isk I don't even know what to do with it. No I don't enjoy flying capital ships.
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>>152501669
>Have you done the career agent missions?
All, except business and exploration.
>What other kinds of things do you like to do in other games?
Building comfy bases and then take over anything around it. But mostly building bases. But I guess that won't work here.
Aside from that I guess would be combat related.
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>>152502313
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>>152502653
But you figured out your inccome. It meas oyu are good at EVE.
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>>152502653
Me too friend.

I'm thinking about my own personal large industrial citadel, depending on the stats.
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>EVE is all about figuring out your source of income

no, eve is about doing whatever you feel like
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>>152502514
Nothing in the game makes as much as PLEXing, and nothing comes close until millions of SP, potentially not even until capitals unless botting the market (which is against TOS).

What you do with the cash is entirely what the game is about. PvE isn't interesting content. There was just a huge shitposting line about a combat pilot not being a combat pilot if it isn't actively PvPing.
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>>152502774
The problem is, once you have a lot of isk you start realizing that the wallet figure going up is pointless. Wealth is pointless if you're (most likely) not having any fun.
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>>152502696
>Building comfy bases and then take over anything around it. But mostly building bases. But I guess that won't work here.

Sounds like you might enjoy living in a wormhole or in sov null. Some of the relevant corps will have requirements but a lot of them will be pretty welcoming to new players. You may benefit from spending some time in eve university just to learn the basics though, they can offer you experience with living in wormholes or null sec. Their null sec campus has been pretty dead recently though.
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>>152502774
>>152503179
If nobody undocked ready to PvP, the game wouldn't be fun.
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>>152502618
Now you're acting like a brat there buddy.
The one who asserts has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim.
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>>152503318
And what have I claimed that would make "prove the sub numbers" an on-topic request?
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>Their null sec campus has been pretty dead recently though.

i-is that y-you CFT-kun
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>>152503059
>>152503179
>>152503279
For some people pve is interesting and is their source of income if you know wtf are you doing or you enjoy the nomadic aspect of flying all er the map looking for stuff. You are also providing for the economy both in your lossess and gains

Even if you main focus is pvp than no matter if you died or kill the sauce that makes your gameplay so tasty is n the end only the grease for the economic clockwork.

Literally no matter what you enjoy in EVE it all serves the ISK.
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>acquiring skillpoints has never been so accessible as it is now
>sub numbers still plumetting
Your theory is wrong, no-sp fag.
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>>152503650
M8, SP is more expensive than it has ever been.
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>>152503460
Now you're doing it again, acting all retarded.
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>>152503238
>living in a wormhole or in sov null
What exactly does that mean?
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>>152503607
But the reason there's ISK and an economy is that plenty are having fun. Setting some industry queues isn't actively fun, and I'm sure there are more PvP losses than PvE.

>>152503789
>hurr
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>>152503739
What the fuck are you talking about.

Plex is 1b, it's been higher.
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>>152504060
>hurr

Great proof there buddy.
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>>152501095
>sure thing anon
you go ahead and scout ahead
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>>152502129
Star Citizen
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>EVE is about doing whatever you feel like
>STOP MINING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>RATTERS AND MISSIONERS GET OOOOOOUUUUUUTTTTT
Really makes you think...
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>>152504332
He said "game", not "tech demo"
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now m8s, what would make a great gatecamp in tama
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>>152504590
I think you mean "scam"
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>>152503502
I'm just making an observation. It's hardly surprising that new players are moving out of the nsc when there are carriers camping their undock. That was a couple of weeks ago though, I haven't been following the situation too closely.

>>152503886
Instead of having static connections to other systems through gates, wormhole systems are only connected to each other through randomly spawning wormholes. They also do not have npc stations, so you need to build the infrastructure you want to use, and either import ships and fittings or produce them locally. It's pretty common for players or corps to set up camp in a wormhole system and use the randomly spawned connections to find content. This will require some scanning skills, they don't need to be good though. You might just run some combat sites on your own, you might do it with your corp mates, or you might run into another corp doing the same and fight them.

Sov null refers to the areas of null sec space where players can claim sovereignty. Again there are no npc stations, so everything you have to work with will be something you or your corp has built out there.
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>>152504224
You're requesting proof for something I apparently haven't claimed. We're talking about motivation and fun. "Prove subs". Fuck off? You seem like you could use less cheeky in your life.

>>152504173
SP used to be like 500isk/sp. Injectors are like 1500isk/sp, and the bazaar has gone up.
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>she thinks it's a scam
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>>152504556
Nobody actually "feels like" mining.

Well I'm sure there are some autismo's out there that genuinely enjoy it but generally speaking, no.
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>>152504910
If I didn't feel like mining why would I do it for 2 years and it be the only activity in EVE I actually continually do when I am both trained and decent at other forms of income?

PvP is shit btw.
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>>152505170
Then tell me what's the appeal of mining for you?

I'm curious because most people will just say it's a means to end.
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>>152504749
See
>>152490601

You have yet to post proof. No need to get so heated that you don't have it, next thing you're going to accuse people of being entitled for not believing your idiotic theories.
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>>152504749
That definitely sounds interesting, thanks for suggesting.
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>>152505468
You can't prove something that hasn't happened.
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>>152505468
>>152504749
Sorry m8, meant.
>>152504774
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>>152505631
So it's a frivolous theory, unfounded in reality. Thank you very much, friend.
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>mfw no all-out reddit flair
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>>152505903
>you can't "prove the future", so it's frivolous
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>>152505493
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Class_Recordings

Listen to the introduction the the null sec and wormhole campus recordings, you might like the sound of them.
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>>152505919
I just added it.
Have fun
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>>152506050
>hurr
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>>152506298
Are you implying I can't doomsday an orca?
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join tengoo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGBDr7Sln8g
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https:/
/www.reddit.
com/r/Eve/comments/4yxhcd/remove_sp/
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>>152506763
Did it get deleted in 3 minutes?
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>r/eve
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>>152506712
Who's the dumbass calling the FC a retard all the time?

He seems like a pleasant guy to be around.
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How much of my life should I be prepared to sacrifice to achieve anything in this game?
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>>152507045
Depends on your intelligence and your disposable income.
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>>152507045
honestly not much
people think you need to no life this game because its too hard but the sp system is amazing for people with busy lives
you just need to be smart and plan ahead
make your time in the game count and not ship spin for 5 hours until someone else finds content for you or teaches you how to make money or become self sufficient
you are sure as hell gonna need more than one account tho.
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>>152506763
What did it say?
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Quick question, I need to move my orca 2 jumps in lowsec but there is some fucker that always does driveby DDs in his titan, think I can make it?
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>>152507887
m8 stop meme'ing
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>>152507463
I'm pretty interested in what would you do with multiple accounts?
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>>152508039
Scale your operation, obviously.
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>what can you do with multiple accounts

elite linkfag falcon alt svipul pvp.
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>>152507045
>anything

what do you want to do
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>>152509120
I want to join tengoo.
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Looking for any corp for an "experienced rookie" I have the basic skills needed to get into position and am looking for any team that wants to groom me for any missing roles in the fleet. I'm down with mining, PvP or even hauling.

Give me a corp name and I'll get on board!
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>>152510068
FUITA
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>>152510068
join tengoo
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>>152510379
I'm in chat but nobody is there, if you can join the chat mind answering some questions?
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>>152510068
Join Red Federation.

learn pvp and shit.
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>2016
>rvb
>>
>go out on a roam with orthus and links
>jump a gate and there is a maller sitting on the other side
>catches me and murders the shit out of me before I can react
>armor basically shrugs off my RLML
>lasers melt through my defenses only stopping ocasionally when he runs out of cap with literally infinite ammo

When are they nerfing this piece of shit?
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>>152514075
use polarized hams for more dps
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>>152512086
>implying they're not around anymore
Their CEO made a hissy fit and decided to "close" it on his own.

It's still very much alive.
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>>152514075
>maller locking you in time before an orthrus can warp
>assume he has sensor boosters
>maller getting in scram range before you can enter warp
>assume he has sensor booster, point and scram somehow
>maller getting in scram range before an orthrus can crash gate
>assuming the maller is defying physics and scrambles an orthrus
>maller being able to kill an orthrus before it can slow boat to gate
>assuming the maller is defying the laws of everything and can bump with no prop mod
>anon shitposting lighlty
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>implying it wasn't a nano maller with crystals and links quad webbing him with his instalock 2 vigilant alts
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>>152515321
then the the maller had nothing to do with it
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>>152515406
he facemelted him while the vigis were keeping scram and webs
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>>152515515
>facemelted
while 2 vigis are in grid webbing him


even if they all had sensor boosts with vindi webs an orthrus can coast to the gate easily
the only way to actually stop a crashing orthrus is a HIC for INSTA scram
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>>152515748
Look, we don't have time to entertain you fucking maller apologists and your broken as fuck ship. We'll be here when CCP finally nerfs that stupid shit and you sit around crying.
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>>152515949
>2 vigis in grid with sensor boosts
>lonely maller, possibly shitfit by anon
maller is the least of your problems
memes or not
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>>152516087
Vigi's would have gotten dumpstered by the orthus m8.
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the vigis were just keeping the web and scrams, they did not at any point dps. It was to prove that the dps of a maller is overpowered
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>>152510068
Bumping this for attention.
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>>152516410
VIGILANTS?
nano vigilants?
armor vigilants?
they would make the orthrus warp off very fastif they were nano vigis
plus they can always just jump gates
thats why gate camps are gay as fuck
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>>152516778
Don't forget how problematic it is that the maller never has to reload. What was foozie thinking?
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I was just reading about the d scanner. It says I should bind a refresh scan key but I cannot find anything like that, there's only refresh probe scan. Is that the same?
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>load in 3km from a sensor boosted vigilant
>inside a large mobile bubble

good luck m8.
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>>152517797
Default "v".
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>>152517797
I think it's bound to v by default.
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>>152518012
>>152517995
Oh, so it's already bound? The guide said it's not bound by default.
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>>152518286
A lot of stuff written about eve is outdated.
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Only the participants in faction warfare should be allowed to manufacture, purchase, and fit offensive modules.
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no, only the participants of nullsec and wormhole space should be allowed to do that.

Everybody in empire space should should be under the jurisdiction of the 4 empires which should enforce a no tolerance policy towards capsuleers with offensive modules.

Faction warfare should only be allowed to fit civilian grade equipment as an exception to this rule.
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>>152522969

well, it's a good thing civilian warp core stabs work against civilian warp scramblers, things really won't change much.
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>civilian siege module
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When will Assault Frigates be banned?
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>>152522460
shut up benji
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>benji
who's she
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when are we getting deep npc null systems on the outer rim of npc sov?
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accessible jove space when
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>>152522969
>>152522460
They (empire space) probably already do this. It's simply different being a capsular. Considering you are functionally immortal with infinite clones. Declaring anti offensive weapon jurisdiction upon capsulars would be an unpopular move since they live by their own rules.

Also imagine an empire declaring war against any and all capsules and criminalising anyone known to be associated with capsule use. Most fleets and FCs would wreck an entire empire's shit for removing one of 4 of the FC's only way to recruit.
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>>152523417
Why do you never use quotes.
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when are we getting eog meme storyline named mods?
>>
Who is she quoting?
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I'm raising your signature statistic by thirty percent and there is nothing you can do about it.
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>>152523930
>Thoms' Modified Stasis Webifier
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>>152524095
I have links that reduce my sig radius by about 35% so up yours commie
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>>152523930
>>152524129
>Kevin's Unmodified Interdiction Field

it's a scram
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>Reyni's Civilian Resistance-Penetrating Multifrequency XL
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>tfw in management for logistics irl and manage logistics of my alliance for fun

Arbeit Macht Frei
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>>152524256
That means I am cancelling your six month trained link with a ten thousand isk tp. I win.
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>>152524814
>my entire fleet vs your one TP

long range webs would have been better
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>implying my fleet isn't facemelting mallers all equipped with TP
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>>152524095
I don't give a fuck because lol who cares about sig
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>unbonused tp
>laughing_bellicose.dll
>>
1vs1 me in tama on the gate
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Just unlocked level 3 security missions for Caldari Navy. What BC would you guys recommend for quickly running them to boost my standings? I'm currently trained up to Cruiser 1/2 in all 4 races so I'm open to anything.
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>>152528001
If you want a battlecruiser, go for a drake
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>>152528001
A cruiser can do Level 3's although a BC does them even faster.

>all races
well a Ferox is good because of the optimal range bonus
A myrm is good because it gets a good rep/tank bonus
a drake is good because it has good tank and super long range missiles.
prophecy is like a myrm but it gets less drones and not very good rep strength like the myrm. It bolsters extremely high resists which helps survivability.
The hurricane, harbi, brutix and other BC's don't work well due to their role, bonuses and how they perform. None of them are long range which is optimal for hitting targets that are all over the place and they don't really tank very well like the others do.
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>>152529093
>>152529413
I've been using a Caracal for most of my level 2 missions so I was thinking of the Drake already but a lot of stuff I've read made them seem not so great. Apparently they were really good back in 2012 or so but got nerfed? Is that no longer the case?
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>>152530604
a caracal should have the range and damage to hit and do Level 3 missions. Don't upgrade if you don't have to
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>>152530787
Alright. For level 3s what sort of enemies will I be looking at, mostly Cruisers or higher? If so should I switch from RLML to HML or HAM?
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>>152510068
i've been playing eve since 2009 and lurking the /v/ eve threads for just as long.

if there's one thing i know for sure, it's that you should never, EVER, join a corp that advertises on reddit or 4chan.
>>
Haven't played the game in years, fuck knows how long.

How's the game atm? Population good? I'm feeling the itch again.

Also how much do these new skill injectors cost and how useful are they?
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>>152530992
>For level 3s what sort of enemies will I be looking at,
They tend to be mostly cruisers, destroyers and frigs but mostly cruisers iirc. There might be a few battleships but they aren't difficult
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>>152530992
The second part might be up to you. Heavy missiles have a lot of range and a lot of alpha which will help hit cruisers better because of their size. They don't suffer from long reloads and have a lot more ammo in them. However they apply like shit to destroyer and frig sized enemies. Try it out and see what ones are best for you
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>>152531693
like 10k online during peak time, used to be 50k-60k in the good old days
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>>152532203
Oh please. I saw 30k online today when I logged in. Yes, the population isn't what it used to be but don't exaggerate.
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>>152531237
Aah good advice

[Spoiler] please recommend me a corp that you are in. My in game name is punpun kurvora
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>>152532515
TEST is recruiting
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I'm a 45 year old male, and I play Eve. Well, not completely just Eve, I have a WoW friend named Binkers. I was sitting on my couch rplaying WoW, drinking my favorite scotch Laphroaig, and Binkers cam up next to me and convoed me. I was crushed because the day before was Binkers' birthday and I had forgotten to play WoW with him. With age, comes mental fog I suppose. I was at work late so I didn't have time to play, so today I had decided to make him something special. He was online, so still sitting on the pc I leaned and pulled my special out of the desktop folder to return to my seat and present what was leaned over and grabbed from my out of the desktop folder to present. Binkers look at me and smiled a smile that encouraged enough space to accept my out of the desktop folder special from my seat leaned from the desktop folder. Binkers was now smiling. "My leaned desktop folder special gift from a couch leaned out of the desktop folder," Binkers knew all along.
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How much would a 23m SP character be worth to sell?

My first character that I went on/off for years being pretty clueless.

Most skills are in gunnery/engineering/spaceship command. A fair few Vs but also some particular skills lower than they should be.
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>>152533596
I kind of like how this was able to make my brain shut off.
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>>>/wsg/1228512
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>people unironically recommend horde

>backed by one of the most cancerous groups in the game and was built with the remains of a newbie alliance the former killed

why tho
>>
>>152538185
recommend a guild that's as competent as Horde/PL.

Hint: You can't.

This game is dead and the only choices between the most competent guilds are horde/panFam or Test.

Don't even recommend /eog/ meme guilds, they are all dead or literally one faggot with 15 alts like grm
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>>152538185
>most cancerous groups in the game and was built with the remains of a newbie alliance the former killed

heh

why whine about that though, that's like the most eve space politics thing that could have ever happened

really makes you think
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>>152538185
what newbie alliance did they kill?
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what's the worst thing you've ever found in W-Space?
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>>152539539
>what's the worst thing you've ever found in W-Space?

people unironically living in them
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Anyone has a stratios fit for caches?
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R8
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>mfw perimeter citadels with undocks pointing directly at the jita gate
someone is clever and i like them
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>>152540969
Enjoy them while you can. Lenny Krawitz is coming.
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>>152532515
>>don't join a corp that advertises on 4chan
>gee that's good advice - say, what corp are you in? can i join [he says, while on 4chan]

Join All-Out. Do pvp in wormholes. They can do experienced rookies.
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>>152532515
Eve university has a wormhole corp
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>joining any "newbie" corps
If you want to stay bad forever...
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https://zkillboard.com/kill/55651918/
>Damage: 8,410,300
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>>152485509
>POS create content Edition

you're not the only one who thinks this
https://blog.skyride.org/an-open-letter-to-ccp/
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>>152532515
My suggestion would be join the /v/ bros /vg/ bros and ask there. I know there are people who aren't Broski there but, it's mainly Broski

Is Peridot gonna become a meme?

Also does /dog/ have other Public chats that aren't in the Pastebin?
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>>152546824
So far I haven't put DoomedFromTheStart into the pastebin yet, but I originally decided to hold off on that because /v/ bros was fairly neutral territory. Now that Broski is more active, its MOTD is strongly Broski-oriented (Join Broski, Join Half-Empty), though, so I'm reconsidering. Neither of those groups want new characters.
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>>152547082
by "new" of course I mean broski doesn't want "inexperienced and low sp" people and not that broski doesn't want recruits.
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CSM quarterly review is up - not too much info though
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hpTkS5dp9JRjL8YStLPmI1oQIza2avB0uZQBYT2tXqM/edit
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>>152547082
>>152547178
Well thank you for considering updating it. I thought DoomedFromTheStart was just All-Out's recruitment channel? I'll check it out again since it seems I was wrong.
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I have a former fleet mach with T2 rigs and I want to repurpose it for solo, but ripping the rigs out is a waste. Wat do?
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>>152552759
leave the rigs
you're welcome
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>>152552995
>core extenders and rep
M8 pls
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Ask a guy in PL anything. No I won't leak shit yo.
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reddit is that way
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Can this do a superior sleeper cache?
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>>152556918
guarantee you're going to cap out
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>>152555828
What Corp

Also when did NC. get so much girth Jesus christ
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>>152558363

Prefer not to generalize myself too easily by corp. NC. Have always had supers and titans in that quantity.
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m8s why is the eagle so shit? I want it to be good.
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eagle>deimos
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>eagle
>better than anything
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>he doesn't know
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>my alliance does napfest blobbing in it so its good
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Google bought CCP and has big plans with EVE! What changes should we look up to?
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>he
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Which one of you faggots is this?
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>that one faggot who can only imagine a ship in fleet
>>
>he
>him
>guy
>faggot
>>
>one
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When did /v/bros turn to /b/ tier shit?
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>>152540554
You don't know how to fit/10
You can probably get more tank with just normal fit and extender rigs.
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>>152564030
It always was like that.
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>>152564127
It used to be /v/ tier shit only
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>>152564317
there is no difference though
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>la /v/ is la /b/ 2.0 maymey
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>la
>maymey

You just proved it yourself.
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Proofs?
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Corax buffs when?
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SiSi is so fucking broken right now. We're on track to them releasing another bug riddled content patch guys. Be very scared.
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haha doomsaying is my fav meme
>>
Is joining corporations always so complicated? I keep getting mails about joining newbie corps and then they want me to set up 60 minutes of other shit like forums, voice comms and other stuff
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>Inventing ishtar
>Twelve failures in a row at over 60%

Man that's fucking bullshit, not a single goddamn success, mathematically you'd expect at least fucking four or five.
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>>152569354
It depends on the corp. Just join all-out. It has the right amount of hassle (just the bare minimum for easy info-sharing and communication - discord for out-of-game communication, TS for voice comms, siggy as an in-game browser tool).

Anything more than that is autistic, anything less than that is masochistic.
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>join all-out

is this the new /v/bros meme?
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>>152568053
They can't possibly release what's on sisi right now.

If you drag a module your entire hud locks up. You need to open a planet view or the map or something to unfreeze everything. It's ridiculous.

If they're releasing this patch to TQ I'm unsubbing my 7 accounts.
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>ywn just freeze EVE as is, all its wrongs and bugs and all, and just stop CCP from fucking it up further
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>>152569354
It depends on the corp, plenty of them are pretty autistic about it. Additionally it would be best to ignore any corps that are suggested in this general, as it's always either blatant shilling or poking fun at your expense.
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>>152560171
Deimos>eagle

Deimos tanks better and harder and does more damage
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>>152569765
>mfw doing AT practice on sisi
Modules not cycling, modules refusing to stop cycling, heat that won't deactivate and burns out my guns, entire hud locking up.

Nice game CCP
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>>152571638
Good thing it's just the test server
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>>152571693
For now. Still a major pain for the teams practicing on sisi though.

If they push this to TQ they're insane.
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>>152556918
The final room will literally alpha you
>>
>practicing on sisi

That's what you get for cheating.
>>
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6604764#post6604764
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>>152572143
u wot m8

It's not like they're launching an entire server dedicated to practicing AT matches or anything.

CCP approved cheating I suppose?
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>>152572519
>CCP approved cheating I suppose?

Yes.
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>>152571606
>it's ok guys we don't need any logi, let's just have everyone in fleet fit local reps
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>>152572761
You sound buttmad that you didn't get into an AT team, anon.
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>>152572782
>fleet

m8, you can even make eagles work if you blob hard enough in them
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>>152572873
You can make anything work if you blob hard enough, though.
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>>152572841
m8, even smartbomb gatecamps rank higher than AT pretend pvp, it's literally esports lol tier
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>guys we need a ship for fleets
>wow such a blobber, just bring less people and all fly dual rep rail demoses you shitter
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>>152573002
yeah you definitely sound anally annihilated about not being able to participate :^)
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>wow such a blobber, just bring less people and all fly dual rep rail demoses you shitter

exactly m8, glad you figured it out by yourself.
hope to see ya soon in a gud fite.
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I'm new, why do people hate the devs?
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>>152573204
>you salty lol

you're that guy who spams memes on killboards, aren't you?
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>>152573309
mostly we can agree on them not doing balance stuff frequently enough
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>>152573327
No I only spam memes in local after dank frags.

Like Don't join all-out
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>>152573309
Mostly Incompetence mixed with the fact that they post news on reddit or twitter rather than their own forums.
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>>152573437
>Don't join all-out

that's not a meme, that's good advice
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>>152573567
t. redditor
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>>152573593
>redditor by advising people not to join a reddit corp

we see through your lies, r/eve shill
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>>152573447
Th ear own forums are shit

And yes they do post their news on the forums. More people read reddit than the forums
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>>152574667
define shit
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>>152574875
reddit
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>>152574875
a cesspool of alts shitposting to push the agenda of their alliance
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>>152575205
so you think the eve online devs shouldn't make official announcements about eve online on the official eve online forum because there are shitposters
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>>152575276
I wasn't him. I'm just stating why the forums are shit.

Sure they can post their official news there too, it's not like it's a lot of effort to create a topic and copy paste some text.
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>he can't fly polarized nightmares for incursions
>Not doubling your ticks
>>
>vengeance
When are they nerfing this OP piece of shit?
My linked high snakes Garmur has no chance.
And my orthrus keeps getting hard tackled until now vengeances arrive.
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>talking about AFs
>not talking about T1 destroyers
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>>152574875
Unusable compared to reddits interface
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>>152578270
AFs in general have been just too strong for too long, I'm waiting for their inevitable gutting, which hopefully should be paired with some across the board buffs for pirate frigates.
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>>152575276
They do make official announcements there

Reddit has a bit that copy pastes them to reddit from the forums
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Nerf the coercer and Corax for fucks sake.
Thrasher needs buff
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>le coercer is bad meme
>>
Dragoon needs a cpu and pg reduction to neuts so it can fit heavy neuts in my very honest opinion.
If it can't teach 50km falloff with a heavy neut II then what's the point using it when the curse exists?
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>>152578781
You guys aren't even making these shit posts sound good
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>I have never seen any group get so mad as Snuff got about this tower. The entire United States of America was less mad about 9/11. The entire country of China is less mad at Japan.

>Fun example: after the first round was over, the Snuff pilots said good fight... but only to NC. Like literally, several dozen "gf NC" in Local. Dropping supers on the anchored, unshielded stick was practically just a symptom. And both of those things were after they won the first round!

>I think we might be more the Devil in Snuff's eyes now than Paquito. This makes me absurdly proud.

gf NC.
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>NC.

what do these guys even do without PL
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>>152561239
Everyone now selects their pronouns, you have to use your real name as your character, you're only allowed one character, google plus integration.
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>you're only allowed one character

google can't take over fast enough
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my arazu is elite
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tfw deep in enemy space
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>t. Filthy Chilean
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>>152582837
Good luck m80
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>>152583047
>sabre decloaks 23km away
>I make it into warp to a badly configured enemy citadel
>mfw tethered and they can't do shit about it
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>>152579687
feed

they got fucked up hard by horde a few weeks ago
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>>152583305
Top kek
Lucky escape man
>>
PAge 10
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>tethering

Can this meme die already?
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>>152587662
what's the problem
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How do I remove these fucking arrows?
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>>152588109
turn off tactical overlay, blue button at the bottom
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>>152588109
How you doing Noralmex?
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>FUITA
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>>152588109
>Amarr
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>>152588109
>link in MotD that says "unfucked overview"
>you still have a fucked overview

>Upcoming Alliace OPs
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can you fit a titan in a small pos?
if so, how many titans can you fit in a small pos?
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>>152590476
Just about, but both ends poke out and I'm not sure what the rules are about bumping them anymore.
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>video says solo pvp
>mfw links on
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>video says solo pvp
>mfw guristas ship
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>>152589125
I'm not on my eve optimised pc man. I'm using this one to keep track of my skills and shit.

>>152588297
good man how you doin?

>>152588190
Wasn't there a way to turn off the arrows and keep the overlay? The overlay is pretty convenient.
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>>152592990
The old overlay had no arrows and vertical lines. They updated it a couple of months ago with the vector arrows and curved lines. No way of disabling them.
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is it possible to play eve without getting involved in the autistic out of game meta shit?
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>>152595576
no
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>>152595576
very hard
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>>152595576
you're already doing that
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>>152595576
>autistic out of game meta shit

like what
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space did nothing wrong
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stunt did nothing wrong
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>stunt
>massive cunt attention whoring goon faggot
>space
>literally who masssive goon faggot
>>
Who the fuck is space and why should I care?
>>
erotica1 did nothing wrong
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everybody post your in game names so I can report you to fozzie for defamation
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>>152598240
kreydis arona
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>>152598087
White Knight please.
>>
globby did nothing wrong
>>
foozie did nothing wrong
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>>152599187
Let's not take it too far now.
>>
>>152599305


Grayscale did nothing wrong.
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>mfw fags trying to get me to participate in blob pvp
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>>152600247
Anon get in fleet and press f1 you nigger.

I'll give you a fedo.
>>
here for you /eog/ a guide to make billions in eve

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ubM2KRrGoM
>>
they replaced le magic teleporting box with phoebe jump fatigue and ranges and it shook things up a lot and made a lot of people mad but made a lot of other people happy

they replaced le dominion hp grind sov with le magic wand and whack-a-mole sov and it shook things up even more (and killed a buncha blocs) and it made a lot more people mad and i'm not sure if it made anyone happy (maybe poco sov is the bright future but dev time isn't free)

they replaced le magic teleporting transforming ship blob with forced commitment health boxes and glass cannons and honestly i like this change a LOT

but what terrifies me are citadels
fuck, dog, citadels!

citadels in every system, citadels floating everywhere in the dark space between planets, citadel numbers not limited by moons or planets but only by their owners' ability to protect them while anchoring. citadels that can kill a fax once a minute, continually. citadels that allow perfectly safe cyno chains. citadels that provide hostile staging in sov systems. citadels that literally can't be removed from wormholes.

now, i realize that POS are tainted code and need to die for the good of the game. and i also realize that the structure rework is not JUST citadels, and citadels were introduced FIRST because they were the structures that were hardest to kill, meaning that there's hope that the industrial arrays and the drilling arrays will be both cheaper and easier to kill than citadels.

but i'm terrified that they won't be. if ccp fuck this up, i don't know what could happen, and i have so little faith atm.
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>le
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>>152601542
he's loaded :^)
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>focus group people whining about fatigue and lower jump ranges

it's all going down the shitter m8s
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>>152601887
>citadels that literally can't be removed from wormholes
Lmao what. Citadels are dying all the tim in Jspace. Even fortizars. Stop spewing bullshit you dumb faggot.
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>>152601542
>28 bil wallet
>"I've played it since beta"
Jesus christ that's only like 2 bil a year.

Is it as bad as it sounds or does he actually explain something worth listening to?
>>
>that one guy in your corp who argues that JFs are balanced

what is his name, friends
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>>152601887
They already fucked up.

Theory is that any keepstar fight will have heavy tidi, and in 10% they are literally invulnerable thanks to the limited vulnerability
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>>152601887
Christ you have a poor understanding of citadels. I don't even know where to start.
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>>152602185

>Johnny foreigners
>balanced

Get the fuck out of my country
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>>152602081
astrahus are easy to remove. fortizars - i'm not sure if any onlined, fitted, manned forts have been destroyed in wspace. if it has happened, it's only happened like three times or less iirc (correct me if i'm wrong, please). Most fort kills are while they anchor.

and ofc atm no keepstars have been killed.
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>>152602414

i really don't see how a fort or keepstar could ever be destroyed in jspace
>>
>tfw thousands of years in the future
>humanity is long extinct
>hundreds of intact citadels still float in space waiting for whatever alien race to discover them
>>
>every time someone is tethered to a citadel, it resets an internal timer of three months or so
>if the timer runs out, the three bash timers are replaced and a single bash session is all that is needed to destroy the structure
y/n? it keeps the citadel benefit of not having to fuck with fuel (great relief for alliance logistics) but ensures that inactive cits aren't more trouble than they are worth to be removed (also maybe allows the old treasure hunting career of solo bashing for drops to make a comeback).
>>
>snuff in charge of rattlesnakes
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>>152603346
they could just ditch this retarded 'dps cap' meme grind faggot mechanic for entosis, then an abandoned citadel would be easy as fuck
>>
>>152603490
entosis is gay as all hell.
>>
>>152603490
but the reason they did dps at all was because of the massive outcry from the "entosis is aids" crowd

admittedly solo entosising an abandoned cit would be easier than solo bashing it, but if entosis sov is any indicator i bet it would take longer to fleet entosis a defended one than to fleet bash it.
>>
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=491023
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>>152603670
but it's not

>>152603715
the entosis is aids crowd are just retarded faggots who are mad because they want to use their supers all the time
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>>152603796
with pos gone, what do you use your supers for? you don't use them for sov, cause of entosis. you don't use them for cits, cause dps cap.

SH1- happened on a pos, and could only have happened on a pos. when pos are removed, what the fuck will people do with supers?

t. not a cap or super pilot, full disclosure
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>>152533709

Can anyone please give me a rough answer to that?

I know its pretty vague but am I looking at pennies or a good few billion?
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>>152604263
well I'd use supers for fights. if you're saying the only purpose of supers is structure grinds, then don't you think that's shitty? you shouldn't need supers to do structure stuff, and you shouldn't be stuck doing structure stuff if you want to fly a super

>and could only have happened on a pos

I've not seen any evidence of that, but I don't know anything about that fight
>>
>bring my resebo maller to fleet
>I am offered oral by everyone to boost them.
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>>152604267
envelope math with current prices says if you melt it down to skill injectors and sell them, you'd make about 13.6 bil of profit (i accounted for the buy cost of the extractors in that, but not the taxes, and i accounted for the 5m minimum that you can't extract).

i can't tell you much about selling it on the character bazaar. i think usually bazaar characters sell for less isk/sp than skill injectors because they're less convenient, unless maybe they're trained very specifically for a single thing (ex-mains usually aren't).
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>>152604535
Fight started to save a supercap in build.
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>>152604813

Okay, thanks mate.

I didn't even know those existed. Haven't played in years but would like to return on a new character with a fresh start and a set direction. Guess getting a few of those injectors for myself would be a good idea
>>
>>152604535
fights? fights for what? sov flips happen with small ships; it's more efficient to entosis with griffins than to bring caps. SH1- happened because PL was attacking a supercap pos coming out of RF with supers (because supers are the best tool to quickly mash a pos).

i mean, it also happened because CO2 momentarily lost their minds and decided to go all-out against someone who could out-escalate them, but that's neither here nor there. all big fights happen because of mistakes.
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>>152604858
and why could that kind of fight 'only happen on a pos'?
>>
>>152605085
You don't need to put caps on the field for anything else.

No initial fax on the field means there's nothing to drop on, means the fight never even starts.
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>>152605079
any fights

>sov flips happen with small ships

why? if your enemy is using small ships, bring bigger ships and fuck them up

>SH1- happened because PL was attacking a supercap pos coming out of RF with supers

are you saying if they were attacking a fortizar there would be guaranteed no caps, because that would be dumb

>>152605291
sounds like the fight wouldn't start because co2 wouldn't drop because pl would counterdrop. if they were dumb enough to do that then it would have happened just like it did

I still think it's the surprise hotdrop jump drive faggotry potential of caps that stops people using them, because other people show up and take a dump on you, so instead you do nothing and they do nothing and then you go ask for jump drive buffs
>>
tengu tengoo issue when
>>
I've been lurking for a while now, why is nobody ever posting their character?
With a character creator like eve's I'd expect more waifu posting
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>>152605524
because the motivation for killing a fort is unclear. killing it doesn't contribute to taking sov. killing it doesn't destroy your enemy's stored assets nor does it give you much (just a couple bil in salvage or so).

it removes their ability to stage from that point, yes, but that's a pretty ill-defined goal. And if supercap construction happens in structures like forts, killing the fort stops a supercap build (if anyone feels like ponying up 20b to start a super assembly line).
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>>152605524
If there's no reason for co2 caps to be on field in the first place, there's nothing for PL to drop.
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>>152606281
this isn't tesg, faggot
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>>152606281
Hell yeah, check out this sexy waifu.
>>
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>>152606281
partially because in eve, identity and reputation is everything and exposing yourself to 4chan has repercussions a little like exposing your IRL info. partially because after you play for a while, the characters all start to look the same anyway. partially because (maybe) we're all more interested in the actual game than in the graphics and would play it in a text client if need be (probably not though).

that being said, reyniposting is a strong force.
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>>152606281
Here's me.
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>that one guy who isn't on the official /eog/ membership picture

wew, what a bunch of fags
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>schneevva-san
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>>152606297
I guess citadels are a work in progress. we all know they're sort of pointless except keepstars

>killing it doesn't destroy your enemy's stored assets

no but it is worth like 20 bil itself isn't it? did the pos we're talking about contain a titan or a supercarrier I guess?

I still feel that this is all retarded. eve has a load of ship sizes. there's no specific 'point' in flying a battleship over a cruiser. it doesn't have some special role, just that they do things in fights obviously not right now with T3 cruisers and gilas and shit just fucking the game up, but if you pretend we're playing a game that isn't broken
why can't it be the same for caps? the way I see it, they have way more flexibility and general combat effectiveness and special snowflake abilities than they probably should have, so there's no shortage of shit they can do to enemy ships/fleets. I think it's just what I said before about counter faggotry causing nothing to happen
>>
join pasta

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNMJR23wO9M
>>
>>152606925
Keepstars are 20bil, fortizars are like 8, and astrahus are what, 1.5?

iirc no keepstar has died yet. they also fit aoe doomsday weapons themselves.

And no-one knows what was in the pos, afaik. It would have been a titan or a supercarrier, and I'm sure co2 claim it was either empty or building components.
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>>152607432
keepstars are not 20 bil m8 they're like 300
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>>152607584
my bad.

Point is none of them have died, I've heard some theorycrafting that says they're effectivley invincible thanks to tidi and limited vulnerability windows.
>>
>>152606925
the SH1- pos reportedly contained a titan, which I believe or CO2 is even more dumb than I thought to drop their super fleet for an empty pos.

yeah, citadels are definitely a work in progress. I wouldn't say they're pointless - I'd say they're easy-ish to put up and VERY GOOD at keeping your stuff safe with a minimum of upkeep and straightforward to defend. It's destroying them that's fucking hard and not very rewarding, which is what I'm worried about.

To an extent I agree with you that there shouldn't be "a point" designed into any ship, since that smacks of railroading. The problem is that when you get as many options as eve has, people are going to tend to try and figure out the *best* way of doing something and then do only that and use none of the alternatives until the devs change something. The only solution to this is perfect balance, which of course is pretty much a pipe dream.

for instance, I saw someone suggest once that both entosis and damage be able to flip sov structures, and that it'd be a race to the bottom for each side to "complete" first. I can see people figuring out which option is most efficient immediately and then never, ever using the other one. We've all seen this happen with various meta mods or the rorqual or the bowhead or whatever.

all that being said, when it's something like "all the big ships in the game" that are the things at risk of being the things no one ever uses, it worries me and makes me think changes should be considered.

re: counter faggotry causing nofights, CZ had a p good article that touched on that. That phenomenon has been going for ages, and is probably going to continue forever, human nature being what it is. http://crossingzebras.com/in-defence-of-carriers/ CTRL-F "imagine" and start reading from there for the related bit.
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>>152607774
the only ones in normal space are owned by PL or PL pets I think, so as well as the citadel itself you'd have to beat surprise a shitload of supers and just infinite blob
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>>152606763
Isn't it about time we made a new one anyways? This one is like several years old.
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>>152606769
Go to bed shard.
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ded
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>>152607896
>I can see people figuring out which option is most efficient immediately and then never, ever using the other one

idk, it would depend on how big your group is, who you're fighting, lots of shit

>people are going to tend to try and figure out the *best* way of doing something and then do only that and use none of the alternatives until the devs change something

it's not like everyone in the game flies the same ships all the time. things are fucked up and awful and stagnant right now, but it's not like there's no variation

>They are then essentially always fighting your super fleet without you even logging it in.

this author seems like a faggot, but I witness this going on every day

another fucked up thing is the value of these ships vs the value of sov and structures. you say human nature right, but with sov and structures, you should want to defend them, it should be worth it. but it's not. just lose your home, extract and go somewhere else. it's fucked up and gay
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>that one fag with a nighthawk
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>>152608583
But its 6pm and I'm working on doctrines
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>doctrine

you mean fleet
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>>152609249
ur doctrine is gay. just blob it
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>>152609327
>i don't know what doctrine means: the post
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advert's up, everyone join my doctrine
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>>152609359
ofc its gay, why else would I live in w-space
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>>152609249
You mean fleets.
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>>152609249
Will it be /dog/cats?
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>tfw people don't know what doctrine means
No wonder the game is dying
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>>152609663
>plate rep beam omens with plate rep hml bellicose support
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>>152609249
>doctrine
>not fleet
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>>152609717
You mean fleet.
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>>152609806
>>152609552
>>152609327
Doctrine isn't fleet. Holy shit you are stupid as fuck.
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>>152609935
Pretty sure he meant fleet.
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>actually it's called a doctrine, milady
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>that one nullbabby napfest blobber calls it doctrine and not fleet
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>fleet
did you mean small gang?
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I swear you autists are worse than /k/ with it's clips.
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Doctrine is a composition of a fleet.
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>the maller doctrine is warping to the gate right now
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>reyni will never sit on your doctrine
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>small gang
I think you meant solo
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How much SP would I need and in what kind of career path (not mining) in order to earn enough for plex in say, 15 hours?
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>they're dropping a capital doctrine on us
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>just dock the doctrine up, their doctrine is over 400 in doctrine right now, nothing we can do about that with only 200 in my doctrine
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>>152610291
Make an incursion alt, you can plex in a maximum of 8 hours after a couple of months of training and it will usually be much faster.
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>>152610291
zero SP, scamming is about the only way you'll do it in that long.

MAYBE market fuckery, but you'd need serious capital behind you to start with, and you don't have it if you're trying to plex that fast.
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Never change eog
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>not mining
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GUys.

Get this right?

Guys.

What if we remove concord?
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>>152610432

Incursion alt sounds the most realistic atm

>>152610460

Is there any point in me starting BUY LOW SELL HIGH market memes with only 1.5-2b starting?
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>>152610291
What the other anon said, train up an incursion alt, and just start xing up in incursion channels once your fit is "acceptable" than you can just camp out in their incursion doctrine shooting sansha all day.
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>>152610460
you have to know about the game to scam people though
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>>152610432
>mfw incursion alt almost done
>tfw still will have to endure the endless autism of incursion runners
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>>152610676
https://wiki.thevalhallaproject.info/doku.php?id=guides:minimum_skill_requirements

Looks like a couple months was an over estimation. Those are the minimum requirements though, better skilled pilots flying blingy ships will get faster invites.
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>>152610728
Just get two monitors and watch some anime or some shit in the other monitor.
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>>152610715
Not really, I've seen goon newbies scam billions on day one. Just got to have a vet pretend to be a recruitment director for whatever group you're selling invites to.
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>le funny goon scam
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>Coonswarm
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>coonscam
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Selling supercapitals that don't exist, or rental agreements for entirely random areas of space work fine too.
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>>152610595
All the highsec bears would leave and the game would die.
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>mfw selling a tengu for 4b isk
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>>152612541
Oh I see Foozie is hard at work on that new patch.
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Is there a nude patch available for the character creator?
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>>152607946

there's about 8 or so that i've seen, only 2 are owned by PL pets
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>>152613258
Who exactly are you thinking of that aren't PL pets?
Everyone else decided to be a PL pet when they killed off their only real competition for them.
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Guys.

How do we turn NC. against PL? (And have it not end in NC. losing everything they own)

No-one else is likely to be able to stand up to them anytime soon.
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>>152613538

wouldn't work, nc. doesn't do shit until PL brings their supers and then they tag along for the ride
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>>152613648
Who else is there?
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>>152613258
I was told they're all owned by memebadger coalition people. do we know which alliances have keepstars?

if you're dropping one in k-space and not doing it in some secret shithole that gets 0 jumps per week, (or is there some way to know where citadels are going up) you will need to do some diplomacy dick sucking and promise half of eve 'ebin good fight' against the other half of eve, and then everyone shows up and has a big tidi shitshow in your system and you probably lose your keepstar if you don't suck enough PL dicks
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>>152613714

nobody really, russians but they won't fight anyone except themselves

goons still have shitloads of capitals but they won't do shit now

>>152613931

mbc doesn't exist anymore

it takes multiple successful attacks to bring down forts/keepstars
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>>152614128
Goons need a year or so to rebuild, they'd be up against the entire MBC again if they swung for PL now and there's no way they have the numbers.

russians will never unite again imo.
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>>152613538
We bring back bob.
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>>152614341
Aren't they mostly in NC. now?
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>>152614128
>it takes multiple successful attacks to bring down forts/keepstars

yeah once they're up. nobody is going to let you put up a keepstar if you aren't supported by a shitload of blobfags
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>>152613134
I guess that's a no
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>>152614953
frozenpussy? Is that you?
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>>152614285

i doubt many people will unite behind PL after their last couple stunts, i think the realization is starting to set in that they aren't any different than goons

>>152614445

yeah, nc. is basically bob with PL protection

>>152614879

i mean, what are you really trying to say here
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>>152615253
Why after the last couple of stunts and not literally every other time they've done it since they held fountain?
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>>152615253
because I said you'll never get a keepstar up, and then you said it needs to be attacked multiple times. it doesn't need to be attacked multiple times because you'll never get it up
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>>152610676
>buy low sell high with 1.5-2b starting
very viable
look up eve trading blogs for idea though before starting

>>152613134
no :3
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>>152615425
m8 pls do your jacket up
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>>152615396

then how have the ones in kspace been anchored

its really not that difficult and if there's too much of a blob, tidi only helps the anchoring side
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>>152615518
because they're allied with the blob, or they're in some shithole nobody cares about and done without anyone noticing
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>>152615425

How does that work with the profile picture etc?

Does it work as an actual snapshot uploaded from your client when you create the character?
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>>152615664

so what argument are you trying to make?

>muh blob

isn't an argument for or against anything
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As amarr, which faction ships should I be cross training? I started training Gallente ships. Wat do? Should I do caldari instead?
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>haha if i undercut a low volume item so muhc it will surely sell faster im so master marketerer xDDD huehuehuehue
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>>152620217
salt
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>>152620217
>not buying him out
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>>152620167
are you saying amarr are no good? they're fine. train for whatever you like
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Does texmod still work with eve?
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>>152620217
>people are surely not interested in buying cheaper items, that's crazy talk
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Sacrilege is the only good amarr ship.
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>REEE HE DIDN'T SPEND A WEEK 0.01 ISKING ME
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>>152621359
>not exploiting pvpers who buy anything even at 200% jita
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>>152621380
Apostle
Geddon
Slicer
ONI
Sentinel
Legion
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>list of faggy meme ships.txt
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>he thinks people engage on sentinels
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>>152621228
I thought that was the meme. Idk, I'm pretty new to this game
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>capless guns
>capless tank
>mfw raping sentinel fags
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>tfw you started writing program to calculate accurately isk/hr for wh site optimization

so far it's only working for turret and smartbomb and doesn't account for movement since i'm not too sure how to account for that yet

missile damage will be easy to implement, drone damage will be a little more tricky unless it's just sentries

save me

so far c3 sites seem to be most profitable isk/hr for a solo pilot
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>>152606281

Manface MissileTits
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>>152606281

Warptobelt 1
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>>152621970

This is the kind of constructive autism I expect from Eve players
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>>152606281

Large Collidable Object
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>>152621970
and by doesn't account for movement, I mean that it just assumes that everyone is at their orbit ranges. I could probably find spawn distances from the warp-in point and calculate movement based on slipper speed and assume you're stationary

obviously it won't ever be perfect but the far as fuck spawns in c4s aren't accounted for really
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>>152621970
No anon, I will not save you, you are learning, you are educating, you are doing the sort of work mankind needs to progress, except in a fundamentally useless way. That alone is impressive and laudable.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41zOdVYXoB8
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>gay bar
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>>152622562
well I code all day at work and get too burned out to log in, so I figured I might as well be somewhat productive with my time
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>>152606281

Miss GoodLooking
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<3
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I just got killed by a Succubus in a novice plex
can someone point to me the update where the succubus was made a T1 frigate?
I am still trying to wrap my head around the bullshit that just occured
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>>152622048
welp, not unseeing that any time soon
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>>152623784
It was .....me
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>>152613538
sorry dude but you can't

NC dotte leaders are legit bros with PL
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>>152623784
>t1 frigate
What else would it be?
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>>152606281
Because that's for faggots

And because you basically never see other people's characters outside of their static portraits, so what's the point?
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>>152623784
when you're just conversing with people, t1 means not faction. when you're reading official definitions and shit, t1 means it has a tech level of 1, meaning it's not t2 or t3. navy and pirate ships are t1 and always have been

I think you should work on your fit ramirez, and maybe consider not flying rifters, because they're inherently bad
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>>152621970
>so far c3 sites seem to be most profitable isk/hr for a solo pilot
is dual boxing a solo pilot
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When linking a contract in chat, how do you make it so it shows a custom name and not just [multiple items]
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>>152625742
type whatever you want as name when you are linking it in chat, literally type over it
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>>152623784
Technically they are t1, but it's stupid that garmurs and worms etc can get into novice plexes.
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>>152625403
no, I was just looking at solo dudes. I haven't worked in dual boxing yet but t b h it would be better to do two separate sites at once if you can manage.
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>>152628524
twin tinker rattle garrisons desu
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>>152628905
>garrison
that shouldn't be too bad 4u since there isn't much RR in those sites, but I'm still betting you'd be better off doing 2x c3 sites at a time (maybe the salvage time makes it close though)
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>>152629218
not even close
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>>152629347
ah, just plugged rattle parameters in and they are not as good as I thought.

Drone tracking is actually abysmal, have they nerfed it recently?
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How big is the client nowadays? People are bugging me to reinstall but my internet is slow.
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>>152630208
I have no idea what you are on about because they track fine.

nothing is really going to be garrisons in isk/h
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>>152630403
I'm looking at the stats and curators have a weapon accuracy score of .024 in pyfa. Compare that to ~4.3 on a large pulse laser with scorch
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>>152630591
Well is that with any bonuses or mods?

Sounds like curators have far worse tracking but I've never had an issue using them to hit targets as small as frigs

. 024 is like dread gun tracking isn't it?
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>>152630776
that's on a rattle without any tracking mods. I'm not sure what's up with that it seems way off. And yeah that's worse than dread gun tracking so it can't be right. Maybe the units are rad/sec still on drones instead of the updated units on turrets
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>>152624462
Yeah, well, I don't really fly Minny. Me and my corp stole a bunch of ships, and one of them was a rifter, so I decided to test it out. I got killed in a duel in amarr, and got gifted 20 rifters and a bunch of fits worth of gear, so now I'm just throwing them at small plexes to test my frigate combat abilities. It's not really worth selling them at this point.
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>>152630935
its still rad/s
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>>152630935
Yea maybe, they really have no tracking issues when I used them for missions and ratting
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>corp mate insists on taking megathron navy to 2 man hole control
>with only 450dps
>this is his 6th battleship
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>>152631178
>>152631212
ok thanks I've updated now rattle is p strong showing
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>>152630403
mind posting your rattle fit? Don't you need to lose all the highs for cap transfers? That's like 400 missile DPS
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>>152631583
STOP FUCKING POSTING ON EOG AND FOCUS ON HOLE CONTROLL
YOU ARE THE POINT
STOP GOING AFK FOR FUCKS SAKE
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what anomalies can you run with a vni
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>>152633763
the afk ones
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>>152633912

which ones
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thanks
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Have you ever been so edgy?
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>>152633094
>implying hole control is difficult
lemme guess, you're new to wormholes
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>>152622742
that's how i feel minus the code all day at work part, which i'm trying to get started
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>>152632225
ye.
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Let's keep posting portraits.

I haven't seen this one for a while and i miss her or maybe she's an alt of someone who actually joined us lol
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I don't see how the active population can ever recover from here. 15k is really unhealthy.
What exactly do we move on to once EVE is dead for good?
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>>152637170
our lives
we will LITERALLY be set free
like if I woke up tomorrow and Eve had shut down and CCP had a blog saying "goodbye and thanks for all the fish"
shit
i mean i would still probably be reading up all the blogs and discussion on all the sites but it would die down after a month or so and i'd have a life back
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>>152637170

>game is dying
>2 of the biggest fights in the past few months in a long time

great meme
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Reminder to report avatarfags.
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>>152637632
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>>152637170
No joke I'd actually probably do something with my life like work more or achieve success or start a hobby.

Won't be long now at the rate CCP is self-destructing eve to move on to sole f2p VR games.
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>>152637170
For the millionth time it is summer.

Population always dips in the summer. This has been a consistent for years.
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>>152637170
>mfw once EVE is dead for good
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What is page 10?
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>>152608123
No, because if you do then the smug will diminish. A lot of those people don't even play any more or go on /v/bros
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>Just spent 3 hours jumping around null-sec/wormholes
>Not a single relic/data site
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>>152637170
Well when that happens I can finally end my miserable existence.
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>tfw my first blops bridge
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>>152645449
congrats
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>>152641975

were you in the drone lands
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>>152637920

is it tho?
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tip top mcfucking kek sempai
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>>152648329
Yes.
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Why won't CCP start selling ship models again?
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>>152648329
CCP tried jesus features. It didn't really work.
CCP tried rebranding their game as a noob heaven with inferno leading the charge, it didn't really work.
CCP tried pandering to older players with drifters being the new big thing, it didn't work.
CCP are now releasing content at a snails pace, slowly bleeding subs, WWB was a great chance for mittani and co. to flip the bird at CCP (for trying to use WWB as a marketing tool to push their game, how ironic) and they're out of ideas and losing money.

Is it any wonder they brought on some f2p microtransactions executive from EA to help them remain afloat? Because they've already peaked their population years ago, all they can do to shed weight now is bleed since they lost all their good developers and presumably lost all the dev budget for EVE.

Just saiyan. Minimum viable product HEEYOOO
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>>152649108
This is good.
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WIDE
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>>152649118
nah
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>eve has a general

oh wow, neat

is there any way to reactivate my account for free? i haven't played in about 6 years. i only play for like two months doing high-sec mining so i'm pretty poor
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>>152649253
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>>152649379
Not that I know of.
Also, mining is a bad way to get money.
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>>152649678
how isn't this game f2p yet? the only thing stopping people from playing it is the cost
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>>152649379
>posting cats

you can get a 21 day free trial with a buddy invite. sp is the only thing that really matters in this game, so if you really want to minmax you need to reactiveate your old character. you can't do this for free. If you don't want to minmax, you can think about other things: if you roll a 21 day trial you can check out the game for free, see if you like it, and if you do like it and want to continue, instead of subbing the trial you can reactivate your old account and start playing with your old 2 months of sp. if you feel that you've spent your sp better on your trial than on your old account, the only thing that might tie you to your old account is if you really like its name.

mining is shit, at least explore relics in null/wormhole http://wiki.whitestagexitbag.org/doku.php/public/guides/exploration

join All-Out for memes and pvp, we take new players

>>152649745
there are many things that could keep people from playing this game; cost is only one of them. I don't have to pay to play league, but I don't like its game design for a number of reasons. I imagine that many people would say the same of eve.
>inb4 you're no-sp fag

i'm going to bed.
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>>152649745
It keeps the shitters out.
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>>152649891
i always kek at this logic

people prefer a dead game just so they can maintain the illusion of superiority over other f2p games

pathetic
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>>152650120
except the game is not dead and its easy to take things out of context
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>"free" to play EVE
>buy this 1000 gold ammo for only 20ß!!
No thanks
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>>152650120
I've played league enough to know for a fact that a small community of people who aren't bugfuck retarded is infinitely superior to the facebook/reddit hordes.

So basically, no, go back and kek in reddit.
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>>152650185
it's very dead. don't lie to yourself
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>>152650372
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How would you go about raising prices of SoE ships back to a reasonable level? I guess the easiest way is to blockade mission hubs with permanent ganks to stop the idiotic endless grind of soe lp, but you'd probably waste a shitload of money on the catalysts.
>>
>>152651971
Tokens in data sites that are redeemable for soe LP or blueprints.
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>>152651971
Buy them out. Set a price you think is fitting. Anyone that undercuts you is just losing money. Anyone that aggressively undercuts you undercut them until they reach your buyout threshold then buy them out and relist.
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>>152651971
Use a bot to stay on top of buy orders and then refuse to sell below a certain amount.
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>>152651997
I didn't. mean changing the game mechanic, but using the present system.

>>152652024
>>152652173
Buying out is a massive investment. Wouldn't disruption of the supply be better? Meme missioners won't stop shitting out ships.
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>>152652349
Also what do you mean raising
the nestor is far overpriced
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>>152652349
Consider doing both and factoring in the cost of paying gankers to do your dirty work part of the investment. Noone will gank mission runners anyway because long term any mission can be run in a t2 fit. They have pathetically low performance standards. Some level4's should be difficult and dangerous for anything not wearing some bling.
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>>152652349
>Buying out is a massive investment. Wouldn't disruption of the supply be better? Meme missioners won't stop shitting out ships.

It might technically be better if it wasn't so hard. Disrupting highsec PVE isn't worth it unless you gank officer fit autism chariots.

You would also have to shell out a lot of money for suicide ganking ships, over and over again.

Also, people already are hassling mission runners. We call these people scrublords because they take part in highsec "PVP".
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>>152652526
Astero is dropping below 50M, Stratios fucking below 200M, Nestor was always a WH meme used by rich womrholers so fuck price.

>>152652540
The objective wouldn't be to kill the missioners, but the disrupt the running. Docked missioner=success. Yeah sure a bunch would die before people relize something is going on, but fuck them.
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>>152652787
>Astero is dropping below 50M, Stratios fucking below 200M,

So? A Cynabun is 127. A dram is 36.

If anything it is finally reaching normal prices in comparison with other pirate battleships.
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>>152652787
>Astero is dropping below 50M, Stratios fucking below 200M, Nestor was always a WH meme used by rich womrholers so fuck price.
So what, let it tank.
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>>152652878
Except the Mach, angel ships are useless memegarbage, on the other hand SoE ships are heavily used by both bears and pvpers.

>>152652883
>just let the values of your assets drop lmao
Nice argument m8.
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>>152653106
Oh so you poorly invested and are blowing shit off as memes and trash because you were an idiot.

Liquidate.
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>>152653106
>>152653215
In days gone by dram was 90 mil and cynabal was anywhere between 300-500. The loss of price came from changed game mechanics.
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>>152653106
>>just let the values of your assets drop lmao
SoE LP value has been in a steady decline for months if not years.

If you're that invested into Asteros and Stratios' then you should have fucking noticed and got the fuck out of the market you cumguzzling cockmongler.
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reminder not to post bloatware PNGs and stick to JPEGs. 4chan's servers are slow as fuck.
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Can I get a buddy invite?
[email protected]
Thanks in advance
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>>152656274
Go home poland.
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>>152630298
Mine is 15.3 GB atm (Download Everything enabled)
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>>152656274
Sent.
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>all the new ORE skins on sisi
Orca looks like a fucking pimpmobile. Dayum.
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>ore skins
>implying you fly mining ships
What are you, gay?
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So is this triage bhaal?

>>152657360
>YC118
>thinking industry ships are only for industry
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>>152657431
Yes tell me all about your PvP orca and those sick slingshot manoevers, anon.
>>
>amarr
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>>152657431
nigga post jpegs, the servers are slow af no matter how fast your connection is, I have to wait 5h for that shit to open
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That face when there is a titan doctrine ganking Orcas in Perimeter
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That face when you see poor bait on /dog/
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Pls be web range bonused dread.

>>152657505
Works fine for me m8. The issue is on your side.

>>152657475
Orca is a hauler. Prospect is a cyno scout. Proc and skiff are obvious. Combat Rorq
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>>152657650
>pvp in rorq
>shit goes south
>activate your hugbox module
>call in your PL buddies

This is going to be great
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>>152657650
nah it has been this way for years, it's across all boards hence the ridiculous image limit size

hiroshimoot upgrade your shit
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>>152657505
don't bother they will never understand
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:^)
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>>152658017
jpeg plz anon
>>
>he doesn't post jifs
>>
>he
>>
>implying implications
>>
>wanting solo bonuses on your capital ships

are you unable to get someone in a t1 frigate to web people for you
>>
>>152660119
I don't know why people do this outside of HAWS dreads. Supers tend to just have a point and neut
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>>152653106
>Except the Mach, angel ships are useless memegarbage,
What the fuck does this even mean? Can't you make and post actual reasons and shit or do you call everything you don't like a meme?
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>>152653106
What?
Cynabal is great, it's just that the Orthrus and Garmur exist, so they make every other pirate ship shit in comparison.

The other problem is medium projectiles underperforming, but the cynabal still makes the most of it and is still competent

Dramiel is very rarely used nowadays but it's capable of killing T3Ds if the pilot is competent, but again, the harbour makes it look useless.
>>
Help me out bros, I lost my desire to play... I don't log in anymore :( neither pvp nor pve has any allure, the daily stuff with the scope network thingy is utterly boring to me.

What do? I haven't pvp-ed in 3 months.
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>>152661000
>Dramiel is very rarely used nowadays but it's capable of killing T3Ds if the pilot is competent
You got it backwards. You will only kill it if the T3D pilot is incompetent.
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>>152661000
>Orthrus and Garmur

also gurista ships

>mfw a heated void dd starting the fight at 0km with perfect application throughout will lose to a worm
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>>152661354
Play other mmos until you get sick of how shit they are.
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>>152661434
Like what? I dislike wow and its clones.

I tried nu-male sky and dropped it after 2 days.
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>>152658125
it's jpeg quality
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>>152661475
>mmos
>nu-male sky
I don't see how these are related
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>>152661475
For $15 you can pick up TESO. It's alright. I havent gotten anywhere near to endgame but I'd say I got my moneys worth.
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>>152663493
>TESO
>dislikes wow clones

anon
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>>152663734
It's not really the same though. The questing itself is almost nothing like that.

DESU every innovative game out there dies early because the other games you've already sunk so much time in to keep dragging you back. If you only play EVE because you invested so much in to it then you're just another beaten housewife going home to an unhappy relationship because you've already been together for so long.
>>
>>152664057
>implying
I still play eve because it's the best space-themed sandbox mmo out there.

Feel free to point me to similar game with better combat and I'll gladly abandoned ship.
>>
>>152664453
Star Citizen, Elite, No Man's Sky
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>>152665085
Two of these games are not sandboxes, and one of them doesn't exist.
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>>152665147
>moving the goalposts

k
>>
Star Citizen soon
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>>152665085
Elite is not a sandbox and not an mmo.

No man's sky is a sandbox without sand and doesn't even have multiplayer period.

Star citizen I am keeping tabs on, but that's a long ways off.

>>152665216
>moving the goalposts
Retard alert
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>>152661403
Gila is killable by cynabal if the cynabal is able to turn on drone drive-by and speed tank slower drones if the gila is shit.
I've also had luck killing one drone, most pilots won't notice for some reason.
It takes time but out can be worth it.

Worm is very slow, you basically can just ignore it.

Again if medium projectiles were buffed the cynabal would be best pirate cruiser behind orthrus.
>>
>>152665241
>soon
>>
yes, soon
>>
>no punisher gf
>>
soonâ„¢?
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>>152661354
solo player detected

don't be an asocial dickhead
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>>152667916
all my corp mates are fucking retards and I hate them, alliance as well
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>>152668080
Get a not-retarded corp then m8
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>>152668210
all fo them are fucking the awful and if you were honest you would admit it as well
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>>152668283
Perhaps you are the problem and not your corpmates then. Ever consider that, autismo?
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>>152665852
>just ignore it

do you mean run away whenever there's on on grid

and yeah it sounds like you're only killing really retarded gila pilots
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>>152668605
Of course. It probably is. What's my option then - not play at all?
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>>152668727
improve yourself
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>>152668910
That's wishful thinking, no one can change past the age of 16.
>>
Which is why I am still a 16 year old girl playing eve.
Feels good being young in all aspects forever
>>
>>152668959
Not with that attitude you won't :^)
>>
>>152665852
The cinnamonbun can't out pace the gila drones at all. Even if you attempted that the thing isn't cap stable with a mwd

Your entire post is baseless, the gila will rip you apart with 700 dps
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>>152673789
maybe he's talking about some fucked up retarded kiting cynabal
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>>152673861
Doesn't even matter the cynabal isn't fast enough to avoid medium drones
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>>152546292
Literally all of that would be unnecessary if CCP would just drop some valuable shit in space and announce it for everybody to fight over. Undockable AT ships, SP-less capitals.. The list obviously goes on.

Get fucked. Idea guy wins again.
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>>152561239
If a huge company like Google really bought out the game, I'd imagine they really would remove SP. Literally any scientific research would point that direction.
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>>152675723
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>>152675770
I couldn't decide between

>not a barkument
and
>not a dogument
before quitting the whole idea.
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>>152649745
mmo going f2p means it died

the model doesnt work
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>>152572445
Oversized AB frigates where.
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>>152676306
The model keeps games alive, not to mention that the MMOs with the most income except for maybe WoW are F2P.

>the model doesn't work because anon says so
Why wouldn't it? An awesome free to play game in an awful economy (especially a game that doesn't involve P2W) is literally video game bliss. The volume that it brings of players and demographics ensures that some spend lots of money, because that's just what they enjoy.
>>
>most mmos are f2p faggot shit
>this means f2p is good
>>
>>152676543
>f2p without p2w

doesnt exist
>>
>>152676769
>>most mmos are f2p faggot shit
>this means f2p is bad

>>152676813
Loadout.

Uh.. DFO, one of the most popular and lucrative f2p MMOs.
>>
name one good f2p game
>>
>>152677134
I don't particularly put MOBAs in the unenjoyable category, but I just don't play them because they're shallow and matches take like an hour to do the same shit you did last game.
>>
>>152676867
no, there are no f2p games that arent p2w

its how the entire model operates
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>>152677134
>>152677209
In fact, f2p games in general are fine. Monetization model doesn't necessarily equal gameplay quality.

>>152677362
Dirty Bomb.
>>
>>152601542
Listen OCers. 3min. videos. Volume.
>>
>>152677401
>league
>f2p
pick one
>>
>>152675256
Fucking off dror
>>
>yfw the no proof guy post inane drivel without proof again

implying it will ever post proof
>>
>>152677401
you keep listing games as though it matters
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join tengoo
>tfw your arazu will never be elite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f94top-WUm8
>>
>>152677891
OK. Then the other, because paying is completely unnecessary. But that completely outlines the point of a game that is f2p that simultaneously has lots of incentive to pay. It's apparently the second worst conversation rate of any MOBA though, at 8.3%.. and lowest average spending per player of $18.88.

Those numbers are pretty decent. As this is coming up, EVE without SP could have players purchasing PLEX just to fly their monthly quota of "what the fuck is this game", not to mention those interested in more serious ideas.

>>152677984
>>152678063
What are you guys on about?

>>152678257
You keep not rebutting what's posted. Isn't Overwatch an example of non-p2w?
>>
>>152601887
With all the money CCP is making, they could completely rewrite the game in like 2 months.

IDK what the fuck they're doing except taking vacations and banking.
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>With all the money CCP is making, they could completely rewrite the game in like 2 months.
>>
>>152677134
Honestly Dota 2. Mobas aren't everyone's cup of tea, just like Eve, I get it. But dota isn't p2w, somehow has a massive cosmetics economy, has a high skill ceiling, a viably sized player base, and can be played in discreet chunks as you have time. I totally get what >>152677209 is saying, but mobas provide the short term dopamine rush of getting to play the endgame frequently while still having long term goals of improving your personal skill (significantly). No game is for everyone, so your perspective on mobas is fine and one that's held by plenty of people.

The difference between dota and league to me is the difference between f2p in a way that promotes a "good" game and one that attracts fuckloads of players and fat stacks for the creators. The concern in this thread re: f2p eve is that the league model is so tempting for developers to use because it benefits them so much (and that's why so many f2p games are shitty). The promotion of f2p eve in this thread is (presumably) of a dota model where the game remains hard and skillful and satisfying but removes one of the (many current) barriers to entry. Both sides have reasonable arguments from their point of view but can only really argue on probabilities.
>>
>>152602050
How many bigfights were there before the patches? After?

Aren't the criticisms valid?
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>mfw instead of fixing the game ccp should cater to that one f2p no sp fag

>yfw they're doing neither
>>
>a big fight happened, this means everything we say is correct
>>
>>152678819
Why is this ever a thing.

>there are good results, but here's to suggesting that the idea isn't fine
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>unironic moba apologists
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>Mobas
>not assfaggots
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>>152678578
Yea because ccp should just blow all their profit on hiring thousands of Temps to fuck up the game to rewrite it to your garbage narrative to appeal to casuals and ruin everything eve is
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>narrative
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>>152679053
>inb4 it wouldn't ruin it here is my explanation without proof
>>
kevin here I ain't making a new thread this time, step up
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m8s, lets drop the shitposting and falling for obvious bait in yet another thread.

Lets focus on the things that actually matter, like making assfrigs good.

Don't you want to make the retribution good, m8s?
Don't you want to hunt infidels in the name of our holy empress?
Don't you want to enslave the brutor once more?
>>
>>152679140
What's funny is that's what star wars galaxies mmo actually did was change and causative their entire game and they lost some 70%of their subscribers because of it
>>
>>152679317
that poo in loo was killed last month by jihadis

rip
>>
>>152679053
>>152679335
Nobody's asking them to update the game if they port it. Holy shit, this general starting an argument about nothing.

>>152679140
Pls stop posting.
>>
>>152679335
>causative
Casualize *
>>
>>152679317
Too expensive. Would rather fly 2M-per dessie fleets for that sweet alpha.
>>
K E V
E
V
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>>152679429
>just waste a bunch of time on a meaningless port they have no market incentive to pursue

It's like telling Honda they should make v8 engines when they absolutely no business in those markets
>>
>>152679569
Supposedly their issue with further development all comes from code commenting being nonexistent.
>>
>>152679823
That means their programmers are bad for not documenting their work
>>
>>152680018
And are now not working for the company. That doesn't make game dev any better for those that are.
>>
>>152679565
Fine
>>152680110

NEW

>>152680110

NEW

>>152680110
>>
>>152680061
Well a developer isn't always a programmer

A developer or a producer will talk about and employ idea that programmers have to execute and create. So it sounds like ccp needs more astute programmers assuming their development team isn't also their entire list of programmers
>>
>>152680129
well --

>>152680248

:)
>>
>>152680272
good job :/
>>
>>152680235
M8, if their programmers can't read the code, what else the company can do probably isn't worth mentioning. There's a reason I can say "the company should just port over the game", because it can't take more than a million dollars to pay 20 dudes for a month to rewrite it.

Let's pretend we're talking about a month's worth of a 60k/y pay grade. That's 5k per developer per month.

They could pay 200 devs for that month of $1M.
>>
>>152680129
>>152680272

>>152680087
>yfw im the real kev with the earliest created general
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